Chiefs cap room for 2013

[Sassy Squatch]

How much do we have ATM? I know it has been addressed recently in another post nut I can't seem to find it. Lets assume we cut Jackson and Cassel outright.

[CoMoChief]

This is one thing I don't follow and don't really know the process...what counts against the team cap, what doesn't, how cutting a player effects the cap and why teams wait til June etc, the new CBA rules. This would be useful info if anyone can explain.

[Sassy Squatch]

This is one thing I don't follow and don't really know the process...what counts against the team cap, what doesn't, how cutting a player effects the cap and why teams wait til June etc, the new CBA rules. This would be useful info if anyone can explain.
I know its going to be a big number but I want to know how big. Wonder if Andy Reid will go all out on free agents this year like he did in 2011 in Philly.

[ChiefGator]

2013 NFL Salary Cap Space (per http://nfltraderumors.co/nfl-team-cap-space/ )

Chiefs have 13.8 million, which is the fourth best.

AFC East
Bills: $11.7 million
Jets: $4.2 million
Dolphins: $7.0 million
Patriots: $6.4 million



AFC North
Bengals: $9 million
Browns: $14.5 million
Ravens: $1.4 million
Steelers: $1.1 million



AFC South
Colts: $5 million
Jaguars: $20.1million
Texans: $2.7 million
Titans: $14.1 million



AFC West:
Broncos: $12.1 million
Chargers: $2 million
Chiefs: $13.8 million
Raiders: $4.6 million



NFC East:
Cowboys: $3.7 million
Giants: $2.2 million
Eagles: $20.1 million
Redskins: $3.3 million



NFC North:
Bears: $4.2 million
Lions: $2.5 million
Packers: $7.5 million
Vikings: $8.4 million



NFC South:
Buccaneers: $11.7 million
Falcons: $1.1 million
Panthers: $4 million
Saints: $2.9 million



NFC West:
49ers: $579,000
Cardinals: $6.9 million
Rams: $2 million
Seahawks: $13.5 million

[CoMoChief]

I know its going to be a big number but I want to know how big. Wonder if Andy Reid will go all out on free agents this year like he did in 2011 in Philly.

Dunno, but if we can get the following it'd sure be nice. Of course this is after we re-sign Albert, Bowe, and Colquitt.

FS-Jarius Byrd (assuming he's not hit w/ the tag)
CB-Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
WR-Greg Jennings
OL-TBN
VetQB-TBN

[ChiefGator]

Long rambling article.. but if you are really THAT interested (and don't mind the source):

http://arrowheadaddict.com/2012/10/18/looking-ahead-to-the-chiefs-2013-cap-situation/

[ChiefGator]

And one more site... good look at our contracts. Tamba is costing us alot up front, but after next year his salary drops.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/yearly/

[Sassy Squatch]

Wow. That isn't nearly as much as I thought it would be. 13-14 Mil ATM.

[Gary]

With a cap hit of $9,875,000 in 2013 for our beloved Matt Cassel, gotta think the Walrus is sharpening his axe right now. Then he has Tyson Jackson's $17,245,000 cap hit to address.

[CoMoChief]

With a cap hit of $9,875,000 in 2013 for our beloved Matt Cassel, gotta think the Walrus is sharpening his axe right now.

no kidding.....that contract was downright stupid.

[CoMoChief]

With a cap hit of $9,875,000 in 2013 for our beloved Matt Cassel, gotta think the Walrus is sharpening his axe right now. Then he has Tyson Jackson's $17,245,000 cap hit to address.

ROFL JESUS CHRIST!!!

[htismaqe]

With a cap hit of $9,875,000 in 2013 for our beloved Matt Cassel, gotta think the Walrus is sharpening his axe right now. Then he has Tyson Jackson's $17,245,000 cap hit to address.

We won't cut him until after the league season starts unless they want to eat it all. If they cut him later, they can spread the cap hit over 2 years.

[BossChief]

Cut Cassel and Jackson, give their money to Bowe, Dorsey, Colquit and Albert.

Profit.

[CaliforniaChief]

The crazy thing is that with the new CBA, we're going to be paying a #1 QB 1/3rd of what Cassel made...dramatically improving QB play at 1/3rd the price.

Now THAT's the process.

[ChiefRocka]

ROFL JESUS CHRIST!!!

Yes Kent?

[BlackHelicopters]

Tyson Ackson has a 17 mil cap number? What idiot did...........Oh wait. Never mind.

[007]

With a cap hit of $9,875,000 in 2013 for our beloved Matt Cassel, gotta think the Walrus is sharpening his axe right now. Then he has Tyson Jackson's $17,245,000 cap hit to address.

HOLY CRAP I thought Cassel had a much lower cap hit than that. HOLY SHIT on Jackson though.
Pioli indeed

[DTLB58]

Cut Cassel and Jackson, give their money to Bowe, Dorsey, Colquit and Albert.

Profit.

Then switch to the 4-3.

[BossChief]

Tyson Ackson has a 17 mil cap number? What idiot did...........Oh wait. Never mind.

The worst part about that?

Pioli actually gave Jackson a contract extension last April that actually gave him MORE money over his original 57 million dollar rookie contract.

It's like Pioli was trying to fail.

Romeo
Cassel
Jackson

[TEX]

HOLY CRAP I thought Cassel had a much lower cap hit than that. HOLY SHIT on Jackson though.

'Team-killer' 'Team-killer' Pioli indeed

Way to go Pioli...Nice job idiot.

[007]

Way to go 'Team-killer' 'Team-killer' Pioli...Nice job idiot.

Just found a glitch with the Pioli filter. lol

[jjchieffan]

Unbelievable that Dungver and Philly have that much room. Philly has been spending big in free agency the last couple of years yet had $20 mil in cap space. Dungver gives Manning what? $25mil a year? And still has $12 mil left? Seems unlikely to me. But maybe I just don't get the cap

[ChiefGator]

Just found a glitch with the 'Team-killer' Pioli filter. lol

Oh yeah.. guess they need to change 'Pioli' to something else .

[RINGLEADER]

With a cap hit of $9,875,000 in 2013 for our beloved Matt Cassel, gotta think the Walrus is sharpening his axe right now. Then he has Tyson Jackson's $17,245,000 cap hit to address.

Yeah, I think our cap room freed up is going to go up considerable. Not sure the exact numbers but it looks like launching Cassel will generate around $15 million in new cap space and Tyson Jackson will generate about $15 million as well. Neither player is worth another $.01 IMO and we can easily replace them with solid FA's with that $30 million in free cap space...

[RINGLEADER]

Unbelievable that Dungver and Philly have that much room. Philly has been spending big in free agency the last couple of years yet had $20 mil in cap space. Dungver gives Manning what? $25mil a year? And still has $12 mil left? Seems unlikely to me. But maybe I just don't get the cap

Numbers are mostly garbage in-garbage out. Manning's deal was really a one-year $18 million deal with the Broncos having the right to pick up additional years based on a physical after this season (that then makes the next two years guaranteed at $20 million per) and then additional $19 million seasons if he's still around and on the roster when season four and then season five of his deal roll around. Right now, these numbers don't count at all towards his deal as they weren't paid in the form of a bonus (which allows a team to "spread out" a big lump sum payment over the life of a deal - part of the reason you get 6 year deals with huge payments on the back-end). The $20 mil for next season isn't deducted from Denver until the contingencies on Manning's deal is triggered (which it will be).

[ChiefGator]

Yeah, I think our cap room freed up is going to go up considerable. Not sure the exact numbers but it looks like launching Cassel will generate around $15 million in new cap space and Tyson Jackson will generate about $15 million as well. Neither player is worth another $.01 IMO and we can easily replace them with solid FA's with that $30 million in free cap space...

Launching Cassel will only generate around 7 mill I believe (current cap hit is under 10 right now). Jackson generates about 11 mill.

Still, we don't have to worry too much about the cap.

Good contracts for Charles, DJ, and Tamba once we get by next year.

[RINGLEADER]

Launching Cassel will only generate around 7 mill I believe (current cap hit is under 10 right now). Jackson generates about 11 mill.

Still, we don't have to worry too much about the cap.

Good contracts for Charles, DJ, and Tamba once we get by next year.

:thumb:

[Chief Roundup]

Clark also mentioned that we would be carrying over the unused cap space from 2012 to 2013. So that should also increase our total numbers.

[Wilson8]

Tyson Jackson’s contract
2009 $2,860,000 Cap Hit
2010 $3,575,000 Cap Hit
2011 $11,240,000 Cap Hit
2012 $6,775,000 Cap Hit $24,550,000 paid so far.
2013 $17,245,000 Cap Hit

ChiefsGator already pointed out that we don’t save 17 million by cutting Jackson. Tyson has a $31 million guarantee, so we don’t save $17,245,000 by just cutting Jackson.

If Jackson fits into the new Chiefs defense, maybe they can renegotiate a new contract.

[HayWire]

How much do we have ATM? I know it has been addressed recently in another post nut I can't seem to find it. Lets assume we cut Jackson and Cassel outright.

ATM? Isn't that a barry koolaid thing?

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

I'm guessing some players earned player incentive in 2012 that will count vs 2013 cap.

[NJChiefsFan]

ATM? Isn't that a barry koolaid thing?

I'm proud to say I have no idea.

[DaneMcCloud]

The cap is irrelevant.

It's all about guaranteed money, i.e., upfront bonuses.

[Oh Snap]

The crazy thing is that with the new CBA, we're going to be paying a #1 QB 1/3rd of what Cassel made...dramatically improving QB play at 1/3rd the price.

Now THAT's the process.

I completely forgot about the CBA. I was just thinking how ****ed we were going to be after signing the number one overall pick.

I'm not entirely familiar with the salary cap process in the NFL. I know there are a lot of stipulations on how it works. My understanding of it is rather rudimentary though. I'm sure Cassel is due to hit a high number...so cutting him could save us a lot of $$$ this upcoming season. At the very least, we could restructure him to that of someone playing third string, which suits his talent level far better than number one overall. Also Jackson is due for some ungodly amount like $15 million. Restructuring his contract or outright cutting him should be something to consider.

You can't help but wonder what exactly Scott 'Team-killer' 'Team-killer' 'Team-killer' Pioli was thinking by signing Cassel to a $63 million contract. And giving up a second for that steaming pile of suck? lol Good bye Scott 'Team-killer' 'Team-killer' 'Team-killer' Pioli!!!! Thats right up there with taking Tyson Jackson third overall... The Chiefs have a SIGNIFICANTLY brighter future now that he is gone.

Edit: I love the "Scott" "Pioli[/b]" filter. Cant even say his name without that filter automatically kicking in! lol

[Chief Roundup]

Tyson Jackson’s contract
2009 $2,860,000 Cap Hit
2010 $3,575,000 Cap Hit
2011 $11,240,000 Cap Hit
2012 $6,775,000 Cap Hit $24,550,000 paid so far.
2013 $17,245,000 Cap Hit

ChiefsGator already pointed out that we don’t save 17 million by cutting Jackson. Tyson has a $31 million guarantee, so we don’t save $17,245,000 by just cutting Jackson.

If Jackson fits into the new Chiefs defense, maybe they can renegotiate a new contract.

I am not saying you are incorrect or anything. But I would like a link to this.
If we have to pay Jackson that kind of money whether we cut him or not. He will stay and it is just another reason to hate Pioli.

[DaneMcCloud]

I am not saying you are incorrect or anything. But I would like a link to this.
If we have to pay Jackson that kind of money whether we cut him or not. He will stay and it is just another reason to hate 'Team-killer' Pioli.

Wilson8's information is incorrect.

[Hammock Parties]

Clark is so cheap

[ChiefGator]

"Jackson's 2013 base salary remains at $14.72 million, $3.22 million of which is guaranteed for injury and cap."

http://www.macsfootballblog.com/2012/04/chiefs-de-tyson-jackson-tweaks-contract.html

So, we could save $14.72 million perhaps. I heard a figure of $11 million somewhere else though. Either way, we save a lot cutting him, so I'm sure it happens or he restructures again.

But, we aren't going to clear quite as much as some around here hope.

[Hammock Parties]

We won't cut him until after the league season starts unless they want to eat it all. If they cut him later, they can spread the cap hit over 2 years.

I don't think this is right.

That's his salary for the 2013 season.

It is NOT guaranteed. His guaranteed money is GONE and already paid out. $28 million. He has already made like $40 million as a Chief.

We cut him tomorrow owe him nothing, no cap hit.

[ChiefGator]

Question: Can we still spread the cap hit across two years? This upcoming year is now his last, since the 2014 year was cut off his contract with the restructure. If not, then we can cut him sooner, rather than later.

[Hammock Parties]

http://www.fantasysp.com/player/nfl/Matt_Cassel/2471286/chiefs-could-part-ways-with-matt-cassel-after-2012

Chiefs | Could part ways with Matt Cassel after 2012

The Kansas City Chiefs could decide to part ways with QB Matt Cassel after this season and not suffer from a significant cap hit. The Chiefs have already paid Cassel $40.5 million over the first three years of a six-year deal and only have modest base salaries remaining. As a result, the team can make a move and still have plenty of money left over.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Jackson cut chiefs only on the hook for 3.2m
Cassel cut chiefs only on the hook for around 3.5m

[DaneMcCloud]

I don't think this is right.

That's his salary for the 2013 season.

It is NOT guaranteed. His guaranteed money is GONE and already paid out. $28 million. He has already made like $40 million as a Chief.

We cut him tomorrow owe him nothing, no cap hit.

Plus, teams can no longer spread a cap hit over two seasons.

That ended in 2009, IIRC.

[ChiefGator]

I don't think this is right.

That's his salary for the 2013 season.

It is NOT guaranteed. His guaranteed money is GONE and already paid out. $28 million. He has already made like $40 million as a Chief.

We cut him tomorrow owe him nothing, no cap hit.

His original contract was about $31 million guaranteed I believe.. so that makes sense that about $3 mill remains.

Actually, it appears he has only made about $24 million, per this site. This year is the crazy one though.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/tyson-jackson/

[DaneMcCloud]

Question: Can we still spread the cap hit across two years?

No. That ended before the uncapped year of 2010 and with the new CBA in 2011.

[Hammock Parties]

I'm talking about Cassel, not Tyson Jackson.

[WV]

Cassel cut chiefs only on the hook for around 3.5m

Good grief I hope this happens soon. No better way to shit on our party than for Reid to think he can "fix" Casshole.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

I'm talking about Cassel, not Tyson Jackson.

If they cut Cassel only gonna count for 3.5m in 2013

[Hammock Parties]

If they cut Cassel only gonna count for 3.5m in 2013

Source?

[ChiefGator]

Jackson cut chiefs only on the hook for 3.2m
Cassel cut chiefs only on the hook for around 3.5m

It seems like closer to 3.9m, but that difference doesn't matter. But, since he costs 9,825,000 against our cap, cutting him only frees up around 6 mil. And between 11-14 million for Jackson.

So, we end up with $17-20 mill in savings from cutting them. Of course, we need a QB (or two) and a DE as well.

This is all elementary though, since our new signings are not likely to cost much against our cap anyway.

[ChiefGator]

Source?

In 2013 Cassel is due 2,325,000 in bonuses, but $250,000 of that is a workout bonus.

In 2014 Cassel is due 2,125,000 in bonuses, but again $250,000 of that is a workout bonus.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Source?

Matt Cassel (QB)-Kansas City Chiefs: It’s hard to imagine a scenario where Cassel returns to the Chiefs since Brady Quinn has replaced him. As the starter, Cassel was largely ineffective in guiding the Chiefs to a 1-4 record. He committed 14 turnovers (nine interceptions and five fumbles) in his five starts while completing just 58.5% of his passes and only throwing for five touchdowns. The 2010 Pro Bowler’s $7.75 million 2013 salary is too much for a backup quarterback. Cassel, who has a $9.825 million 2013 salary cap number, would free up $5.825 million of cap space for the Chiefs if they released him.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/26/nfl-salary-cap-michael-vick-chris-johnson_n_2024539.html

[ChiefGator]

The bottom line is that we are in a good position cap-wise, especially with Hali's salary (and cap hit) dropping 6 mill or so in 2014. Pioli left us with a couple good things. Low salaries on Charles, DJ, and Hali (besides next year).

We have a lot of positions to fill (and plenty of expensive fat to cut), but we are in very good shape currently. It would be hard to put us in cap trouble in the next two or three years.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

The bottom line is that we are in a good position cap-wise, especially with Hali's salary (and cap hit) dropping 6 mill or so in 2014. 'Team-killer' Pioli left us with a couple good things. Low salaries on Charles, DJ, and Hali (besides next year).

We have a lot of positions to fill (and plenty of expensive fat to cut), but we are in very good shape currently. It would be hard to put us in cap trouble in the next two or three years.

Only good thing he was good for.

[jjchieffan]

Numbers are mostly garbage in-garbage out. Manning's deal was really a one-year $18 million deal with the Broncos having the right to pick up additional years based on a physical after this season (that then makes the next two years guaranteed at $20 million per) and then additional $19 million seasons if he's still around and on the roster when season four and then season five of his deal roll around. Right now, these numbers don't count at all towards his deal as they weren't paid in the form of a bonus (which allows a team to "spread out" a big lump sum payment over the life of a deal - part of the reason you get 6 year deals with huge payments on the back-end). The $20 mil for next season isn't deducted from Denver until the contingencies on Manning's deal is triggered (which it will be).

Okay. Good. So that will put them 8 mil over the cap when that happens which means they will be cutting people. Now hopefully the Ravens will end the Donk season next week and they will be a worse team next year and Manning never wins a championship for that piece of shit team!!:evil:

[jjchieffan]

Plus, teams can no longer spread a cap hit over two seasons.

That ended in 2009, IIRC.

I'm gonna try and look it up, but I believe the change was that you could still spread it out over two years, you just had to wait until the beginning of the new league year instead of June 1 in order to give players more time to find another team. Again, I could be mistaken. I am looking it up now

[jjchieffan]

From what I've read on multiple sites, the June 1 rule is as it always was. I guess I was wrong. I thought that the date was sooner now. But anyway, for those of you asking, yes any cap hit can be spread out if we wait until June 1 to cut the dead weight.

[Wilson8]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82881855/article/tyson-jackson-accepts-2012-pay-cut-to-stay-with-chiefs
By Jason La Canfora
Jackson was scheduled to make over $8 million in 2012; he'll now receive $4.25 million in base salary, with $4 million guaranteed. Jackson also carries a $14.72 million salary ($3.2 million guaranteed) in 2013, but it's highly improbable he would receive that money since he would carry a $17.5 million cap figure. The Chiefs have sufficient salary-cap space and could handle that huge 2013 number if Jackson plays at a level worthy of it, but it's likely his deal either would be restructured again, or he would be let go.


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/22/tyson-jackson-takes-a-big-pay-cut-too/
Come 2013, the Chiefs surely will be interested in reducing Jackson’s cap number of $17.47 million. They can do it with an extension — or by cutting Jackson for skill reasons and clearing the full $14.72 million off the books.
And so, in exchange for giving up $3.755 million in base salary this year, Jackson picked up another $1.495 million in guaranteed pay.

Some of the $17.5 million is going to be paid to Jackson.

[BossChief]

13 million in cap space.
14 million for cutting Jackson
7 million for cutting Cassel

That's 34 million worth of cap space to start with.

Now we get to the interesting part...we were 15-20 million under the cap in 2012 and that number can be rolled over.

That gives us around 50 million worth of cap space to work with if we max out everything and make the logical moves.

PLENTY to re-sign Bowe, Albert, Colquit and Dorsey as well as locking up guys like Houston, Moeaki and Asamoah...as well as going fishing for some big fish.

We are in a great spot capwise.

[Wilson8]

Plus, teams can no longer spread a cap hit over two seasons.

That ended in 2009, IIRC.

From page 93 NFL Players Association NFL CBA – August 4, 2011

(1) For any player removed from the Team's roster, or whose Contract is
assigned to another Club via waivers or trade, on or before June 1 in any League Year
prior to the Final League Year, or at any time during the Final League Year, any unamortized
signing bonus amounts will be included in Team Salary for such League Year,
except that for each League Year preceding the Final League Year, each Club may designate
up to two Player Contracts that, if terminated on or prior to June 1 and if not renegotiated after the last regular season game of the prior League Year, shall be treated
(except to the extent prescribed by Section 6(d) (iv) below) as if terminated on June 2, i.e.,
the Salary Cap charge for each such contract will remain in the Club's Team Salary until
June 2, at which time its Paragraph 5 Salary and any unearned LTBE incentives will no
longer be counted and any unamortized signing bonus will be treated as set forth in
Subsection (2) below. If acceleration puts a Team over the Salary Cap, the Team will
have seven days to conform with the Salary Cap, but may not sign any players until there
is Room to do so under the Salary Cap.

http://images.nflplayers.com/mediaResources/files/PDFs/General/2011_Final_CBA_Searchable_Bookmarked.pdf

[slimdagreat]

The crazy thing is that with the new CBA, we're going to be paying a #1 QB 1/3rd of what Cassel made...dramatically improving QB play at 1/3rd the price.

Now THAT's the process.

I agree, which why I think they could very well draft 2 QBs because they are so cheap

[Chief Roundup]

13 million in cap space.
14 million for cutting Jackson
7 million for cutting Cassel

That's 34 million worth of cap space to start with.

Now we get to the interesting part...we were 15-20 million under the cap in 2012 and that number can be rolled over.

That gives us around 50 million worth of cap space to work with if we max out everything and make the logical moves.

PLENTY to re-sign Bowe, Albert, Colquit and Dorsey as well as locking up guys like Houston, Moeaki and Asamoah...as well as going fishing for some big fish.

We are in a great spot capwise.

Yeah now it comes down to how much cash Hunt has left after the buyout of SP and RAC.

[jd1020]

Yeah now it comes down to how much cash Hunt has left after the buyout of SP and RAC.

Pretty sure they don't count against the cap.

[slimdagreat]

is Bowe definitely getting resigned?

[chiefzilla1501]

Matt Cassel
Tyson Jackson
Stanford Routt
Pioli buyout + dollars earned

We've basically spent an entire year's salary cap supporting our dumbass GM and his bad decisions.

[mcaj22]

Matt Cassel
Tyson Jackson
Stanford Routt
'Team-killer' Pioli buyout + dollars earned

We've basically spent an entire year's salary cap supporting our dumbass GM and his bad decisions.

2 games of Kevin Boss and Peyton Hillis being useless also

spending money wisely.

[Sassy Squatch]

13 million in cap space.
14 million for cutting Jackson
7 million for cutting Cassel

That's 34 million worth of cap space to start with.

Now we get to the interesting part...we were 15-20 million under the cap in 2012 and that number can be rolled over.

That gives us around 50 million worth of cap space to work with if we max out everything and make the logical moves.

PLENTY to re-sign Bowe, Albert, Colquit and Dorsey as well as locking up guys like Houston, Moeaki and Asamoah...as well as going fishing for some big fish.

We are in a great spot capwise.
Bowe and Albert would account for around 15 million i would assume. The other 3 maybe 5 million. Rrid is going to be a very busy man this offseason.

[Chief Roundup]

Pretty sure they don't count against the cap.

Wasn't talking about cap.
Clark has spent a lot of CASH. We were top 3 last season in cash spent. Clark just had to buy out 2 contracts in SP and RAC, more CASH.
Every player we sign that has a signing bonus will be more cash.
I know the Hunts are rich and all but there is a limit to how many multi-million dollars a person or business has in cash.

[mcaj22]

please dont lock up Moeaki

flush turd out of this team. Need a real TE

[jd1020]

Wasn't talking about cap.
Clark has spent a lot of CASH. We were top 3 last season in cash spent. Clark just had to buy out 2 contracts in SP and RAC, more CASH.
Every player we sign that has a signing bonus will be more cash.
I know the Hunts are rich and all but there is a limit to how many multi-million dollars a person or business has in cash.

Clark is worth over a billion dollars.

Lets see how much sympathy he gets when he comes to the table with "Sorry guys, I couldn't spend the money necessary to field a respectable roster because I had to pay off MY fuckups."

[BigRedChief]

Clark is worth over a billion dollars.

Lets see how much sympathy he gets when he comes to the table with "Sorry guys, I couldn't spend the money necessary to field a respectable roster because I had to pay off MY fuckups."We will have to break out the SOC batlight.

[BossChief]

please dont lock up Moeaki

flush turd out of this team. Need a real TE

453 yards receiving in the year coming off acl surgery with nothing at qb and you want to just let the guy walk after next year? The guy is only 25 and has shown a lot of promise.

He will be a star with Geno at QB...he could be a 800 yard guy EASILY.

[DaneMcCloud]

453 yards receiving in the year coming off all surgery with nothing at tight end and you want to just let the guy walk after next year? Te guy is only 25 and has shown a lot of promise.

He will be a star with Geno at QB.

He'll only be a star if he can stay healthy, year in and year out.

So far, not so much.

[BossChief]

He'll only be a star if he can stay healthy, year in and year out.

So far, not so much.

2/3 ain't bad. I bet the guy could be extended at a very reasonable amount this offseason, before his stats skyrocket with a legit QB situation.

[The Franchise]

Im in

[Sorter]

He'll only be a star if he can stay healthy, year in and year out.

So far, not so much.

No reason to cut him/ Definitely stands to be upgraded next year if he doesn't show anything.

[DaneMcCloud]

No reason to cut him/ Definitely stands to be upgraded next year if he doesn't show anything.

Exactly.

I would never consider cutting him before training camp although he's just as likely to end up on I.R.

[NJChiefsFan]

2/3 ain't bad. I bet the guy could be extended at a very reasonable amount this offseason, before his stats skyrocket with a legit QB situation.

I'm not a hater of the guy, I think he still holds potential. But with injuries and him not playing great, I'm not comfortable giving the guy an extension yet. If it turns out he blows up with a good QB and stays healthy, having extended him would been a great move. I still think the wait and see approach is best. I don't think we are ever looking at having to give him monster numbers.

[mcaj22]

I just think they bring in a much better TE, through the draft or FA. Not a Kevin Boss turd either. Like a Delanie Walker, Jared Cook, etc that will legit flat out just beat Moeaki out as the starter. And he could not even sniff the field because of it.

[Quesadilla Joe]

Carryover rules impact cap strategy

By John Clayton

On the eve of the regular-season finale, teams couldn't afford to think exclusively about the game.

They had to think about next season. Under the rules of the new collective bargaining agreement, teams had to designate how much money they wanted to carry over to the 2013 salary cap. The carryover provisions are new and important.

With the cap growing at only $300,000 a year, teams have to budget their cap over a multi-year basis. Last year's cap was $120.6 million, so general managers have to be smart about their spending.

The "haves'' are in good shape. The "have nots'' have to be creative. Thanks to the carryover, there is $350.7 million of cap room in 2013, but $200.3 million of carryover is part of that.

Eight teams, though, account for 79 percent million of total room. The Cincinnati Bengals saved $8.5 million of cap room in 2012 and made the playoffs for the second consecutive year. They have $55.1 million of room. The Cleveland Browns saved $14.3 million of room in 2012 and now have $48.9 million. After being tight against the cap in 2012, the Indianapolis Colts now have $46 million of room.

The Miami Dolphins have $35.8 million, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers $31.3 million, the Jacksonville Jaguars $22.1 million, the Buffalo Bills $20.6 million and the Tennessee Titans $19.4 million.

On the negative side, the New York Jets are $19.4 million over the cap. The Dallas Cowboys are $18.2 million over, the New Orleans Saints $14.7 million over and the Carolina Panthers $11.8 million over.


http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012/story/_/id/8822266/nfl-mailbag-carryover-rules-impact-cap-strategy

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/1081/capspace.png

[Hammock Parties]

We are gonna have around 30 million in cap room when Jackson and Cassel are cut.

That's outstanding.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

After today chiefs are over the cap. Goodbye Cassel and Jackson

[The Franchise]

Cut Studebaker's worthless ass as well.

[Sassy Squatch]

Maybe we can restructure Halis contract.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

I got the chiefs at 8.8m over right now.

Albert- 9.8m
Bowe-4m
Dustin - Guessing around 2.5m



Chiefs are 8.8m Over the cap right now

[mcaj22]

lol at the fans on here that are hoping for a "FA" splash

time to wake up homers

[mcaj22]

I got the chiefs at 8.8m over right now.

Albert- 9.8m
Bowe-4m
Dustin - Guessing around 2.5m



Chiefs are 8.8m Over the cap right now

I will say this though

you do know there is a 14 million carry over coming March 12 right

did you factor that? that alone puts us under and I think cutting Jackson frees up like 15 million against the cap, you can potentially sign 2 to 3 good players with that space

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

lol at the fans on here that are hoping for a "FA" splash

time to wake up homers

After Cassel and Jackson chiefs will have 10.8m in cap space.

[Sassy Squatch]

After Cassel and Jackson chiefs will have 10.8m in cap space.
Factoring in Smith?

[mcaj22]

March 12 we get an extra 14 million for the new league year so our cap number is actually like 137 million technically.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

I will say this though

you do know there is a 14 million carry over coming March 12 right

did you factor that? that alone puts us under and I think cutting Jackson frees up like 15 million against the cap, you can potentially sign 2 to 3 good players with that space

Yup http://www.kansascity.com/2013/03/01/4094599/chiefs-will-have-75-million-in.html

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Factoring in Smith?

Yes

[Sassy Squatch]

Nice. Hopefully they can get Albert on long term to lessen his cap hit.

[mcaj22]

all im learning last year is Pioli spent a lot of money to field a 2-14 team, one of the highest payrolls of 2012.

that is really sad

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Cutting Studebaker saves the chiefs 2.05m Well Bye

[BossChief]

Sad that Cassel and Jackson count for nearly 30 million and we only save half that by cutting them.

[CaliforniaChief]

The fact that Albert's situation would have a fairly significant impact on our cap situation tells me that they are indeed going to try to extend him to a long term deal before July 15th and forgo drafting Joeckel/Fisher.

[Sassy Squatch]

Cutting Studebaker saves the chiefs 2.05m Well Bye
Anyone else we could potentially cut?

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Chiefs’ 2013 salary cap figures

Player Base salary Cap number*
DE Tyson Jackson $14,720,000 $17,470,000
LB Tamba Hali $12,250,000 $ 15,500,000
DB Eric Berry $7,009,000 $10,211,700
QB Matt Cassel $7,500,000 $9,825,000
QB Alex Smith $7,500,000 $9,750,000
CB Brandon Flowers $7,350,000 $9,600,000
OL Eric Winston $4,900,000 $6,500,000
RB Jamaal Charles $1,750,000 $4,333,333
LB Derrick Johnson $2,250,000 $3,500,000
DL Dontari Poe $904,456 $2,572,728
PK Ryan Succop $1,950,000 $2,400,000
WR Jon Baldwin $1,061,510 $2,059,528
LB Andy Studebaker $2,055,000 $2,055,000
OL Jon Asamoah $1,323,000 $1,551,030
TE Tony Moeaki $1,323,000 $1,494,662
WR Dexter McCluster $630,000 $1,400,000
DB Kendrick Lewis $1,323,000 $1,374,725
OL Jeff Allen $591,083 $1,055,415
CB Javier Arenas $630,000 $ 1,003,750

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/03/01/4094599/chiefs-will-have-75-million-in.html#storylink=cpy


Everyone else is under a million

[ModSocks]

Chiefs’ 2013 salary cap figures

Player Base salary Cap number*
DE Tyson Jackson $14,720,000 $17,470,000
LB Tamba Hali $12,250,000 $15,500,000
DB Eric Berry $7,009,000 $10,211,700
QB Matt Cassel $7,500,000 $9,825,000
QB Alex Smith $7,500,000 $9,750,000
CB Brandon Flowers $7,350,000 $9,600,000
OL Eric Winston $4,900,000 $6,500,000
RB Jamaal Charles $1,750,000 $4,333,333
LB Derrick Johnson $2,250,000 $3,500,000
DL Dontari Poe $904,456 $2,572,728
PK Ryan Succop $1,950,000 $2,400,000
WR Jon Baldwin $1,061,510 $2,059,528
LB Andy Studebaker $2,055,000 $2,055,000
OL Jon Asamoah $1,323,000 $1,551,030
TE Tony Moeaki $1,323,000 $1,494,662
WR Dexter McCluster $630,000 $1,400,000
DB Kendrick Lewis $1,323,000 $1,374,725
OL Jeff Allen $591,083 $1,055,415
CB Javier Arenas $630,000 $1,003,750

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/03/01/4094599/chiefs-will-have-75-million-in.html#storylink=cpy


Everyone else is under a million

Man, Charles really got screwed.

[Sassy Squatch]

JFC that list is so sickening. Jackson cant get off the payroll fast enough.

[mcaj22]

lol Studebaker must have had some black mail on Scooter to get that contract holy hell

[Chief_For_Life58]

lol Studebaker must have had some black mail on Scooter to get that contract holy hell

lolz

[BossChief]

How does the equation work to figure how much of a cap savings we get for cutting a player?

Jackson was given a new contract last year...shouldn't his whole salary come off the books?

[CaliforniaChief]

So we should:

Cut Cassel. Slash Jackson. Cut Studebaker. Restructure Tamba/Berry. Extend Albert.

Boom.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

How does the equation work to figure how much of a cap savings we get for cutting a player?

Jackson was given a new contract last year...shouldn't his whole salary come off the books?

Nope still on the hook for signing bonus

[CaliforniaChief]

Pioli is like an STD. He just keeps infecting us over (Jackson) and over (Cassel) and over (stalling Bowe) and over (Albert) and over (Carr) and over (picking Stephenson over Wilson) and over again.

[BossChief]

Nope still on the hook for signing bonus

[x]
4/21/2012: Signed a two-year, $21.97 million contract. The deal contains $4 million guaranteed, including a $2.5 million option bonus. Another $500,000 is available through playing-time incentives. 2013: $14.72 million (+ $250,000 workout bonus), 2014: Free Agent

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

[x]
4/21/2012: Signed a two-year, $21.97 million contract. The deal contains $4 million guaranteed, including a $2.5 million option bonus. Another $500,000 is available through playing-time incentives. 2013: $14.72 million (+ $250,000 workout bonus), 2014: Free Agent

You are forgetting his rookie deal. 1 more year of his rookie signing Bonus





Tyson Jackson to get $31 million guaranteed
Posted by NBC Sports on August 7, 2009, 12:08 PM EST

Chiefs defensive end Tyson Jackson is on his way to training camp, and he’ll be a very rich man when he arrives.

Nick Wright of KCSP radio in Kansas City has alerted PFT that Jackson’s deal is for five years and $57 million, with $31 million guaranteed. Jackson was the third overall pick in April’s draft.

Agents of other rookie holdouts, especially Seahawks linebacker Aaron Curry, will be examining all the particulars of Jackson’s deal closely.

If the figures hold up, Jackson will receive only $2 million less in guarantees than number two pick, Rams T Jason Smith.

Last year’s third pick, Matt Ryan, received $34.75 million guaranteed on a $66 million contract, receiving the usual quarterback premium.

It’s not a huge surprise Jackson missed so much of training camp. The third overall pick has been a difficult spot in rookie negotiations dating back to Larry Fitzgerald, Braylon Edwards, and Vince Young.

It’s unclear when Jackson will begin practicing, but Wright reports that Jackson began his journey to training camp early Friday morning.

[The Franchise]

I wonder if Hali is approached about restructuring his deal.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

I wonder if Hali is approached about restructuring his deal.

His 2014 number 11.5m 2015 12m I just don't see how restructuring helps us out. Do you really wanna add years to his deal ? When his current contract is up he will be 32 going on 33.

[tecumseh]

Good news and good links. Hoping AR/Dorsey manage wisely. A Lombardi scooner.

[The Franchise]

His 2014 number 11.5m 2015 12m I just don't see how restructuring helps us out. Do you really wanna add years to his deal ? When his current contract is up he will be 32 going on 33.

I'm dumb.

I looked up that shit yesterday and completely forgot about his next 2 years.

[Nightfyre]

We can clear a lot of cap space by:
1) Cutting/Restructuring TJax.
2) Cutting Cassel.
3) Restructuring/Trading Tamba Hali
4) Extending/Restructuring Eric Berry

[Chief Roundup]

We can clear a lot of cap space by:
1) Cutting/Restructuring TJax.
2) Cutting Cassel.
3) Restructuring/Trading Tamba Hali
4) Extending/Restructuring Eric Berry

Uh we better not trade Tamba Hali. That would be stupid.

[Nightfyre]

Uh we better not trade Tamba Hali. That would be stupid.

Would it, if it netted us a pass-rusher in the draft?

[Chief Roundup]

Anyone else we could potentially cut?

Probably too early but Baldwin sure doesn't seem worth 2 million either.

[Sassy Squatch]

Would it, if it netted us a pass-rusher in the draft?
Who did you have in mind?

[Chief Roundup]

Would it, if it netted us a pass-rusher in the draft?

Yeah you know what you got with Tamba, a proven pro bowler. You have no idea what you are getting in the draft.

[Nightfyre]

There is a part of me that craves to see Barkevious Mingo developed into a monster in red.

[Strongside]

Dear God Jackson's rookie contract was highway robbery.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

After Jackson deal chiefs are 3.7m under

[Sassy Squatch]

After Jackson deal chiefs are 3.4m under
GTFO Cassel and Studebaker.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Post Tyson & Winston number we have 4,593,009 space

[O.city]

Thought I'm reading now we save 3.5 mil.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Thought I'm reading now we save 3.5 mil.

700k


ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk

Release of Eric Winston by Chiefs saves $700K in cap space but $4.9 million in cash http://wp.me/p14QSB-7xfK

[O.city]

BJ Kissel ‏@bkissel7
If the latest @spotrac correction-tweet is correct. The #Chiefs are saving $3.5 million on the cap, not $700k as was originally reported.
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[O.city]

Spotrac.com ‏@spotrac
CORRECTION: @corryjoel / @brian_mcintyre confirm new breakdown for Winston's deal, now $3M in dead money, $3.5M saved

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Spotrac.com ‏@spotrac
CORRECTION: @corryjoel / @brian_mcintyre confirm new breakdown for Winston's deal, now $3M in dead money, $3.5M saved

He's not looking at the dead money it's only 700k chiefs save

[SAUTO]

He's not looking at the dead money it's only 700k chiefs save

I don't know who is right but that guy clearly stated what the dead money is too.


Obviously he's looking at it
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[BossChief]

After Cassel, we will have over 10m available, right? Closer to 14?

[rico]

After Cassel, we will have over 10m available, right? Closer to 14?

How long do we have to wait until Cassel is cut? Like, how long before it's "no teams interested in trading anything for Cassel, better cut him before we suffer a financial blow?"

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

How long do we have to wait until Cassel is cut? Like, how long before it's "no teams interested in trading anything for Cassel, better cut him before we suffer a financial blow?"

Cassel wont be cut till the Alex Smith deal is complete.

[DTLB58]

I'm dumb.

I looked up that shit yesterday and completely forgot about his next 2 years.

I'm dumb too. I had know idea once he was 32 he would be going on 33 :D

[O.city]

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet
@ArrowheadAddict Seemed clear. Knew how badly they wanted to keep Albert, some great tackles in the draft, cutting Winston saves $4M in cap

[O.city]

Surely to god we wouldn't lock up Albert then draft a RT at 1?

[BossChief]

Will they use Winston's money to sign Albert to an extension and make some cap room?

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Will they use Winston's money to sign Albert to an extension and make some cap room?

How do we know?

[BossChief]

How do we know?

Instant cassettes?

[ChiefAshhole20]

Just seems pointless to tag Albert at LT if their plan is to draft an LT and play him at RT?? If you want a franchise LT at number 1, than let Albert go and have Winston stay at RT. It would be cheaper as well

[The Bad Guy]

The 3.5 Winston cap savings basically means cutting Cassel and trading for Smith carries no additional cap increase for the Chiefs.

They should have between 10-13 million million at the start of FA.

[BossChief]

Post Tyson & Winston number we have 4,593,009 space

+2.8

7.4

What do we save when we cut Cassel? If somebody trades a bag of chips for him, how much is saved then?

Studs baker should be gone, too...that's another 2m.

Cassels base was gonna be 7.5 and his whole cap hit was gonna be 9.8.

[Titty Meat]

The 3.5 Winston cap savings basically means cutting Cassel and trading for Smith carries no additional cap increase for the Chiefs.

They should have between 10-13 million million at the start of FA.

Any chance they made this move because they are about to pay Canty?

*something monopoly*

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

+2.8

7.4

What do we save when we cut Cassel? If somebody trades a bag of chips for him, how much is saved then?

Studs baker should be gone, too...that's another 2m.


I'm not sold on the Winston 3.5m saving the numbers don't add up. Cassel saves 5.6m if cut if traded we save 9.8m, Andy 2m

[The Bad Guy]

+2.8

7.4

What do we save when we cut Cassel? If somebody trades a bag of chips for him, how much is saved then?

Studs baker should be gone, too...that's another 2m.

5.875. Alex Smith will carry a 8.5 million dollar cap figure. I think Smith's already been figured into those numbers though.

[The Bad Guy]

I'm not sold on the Winston 3.5m saving the numbers don't add up. Cassel saves 5.6m if cut if traded we save 9.8m, Andy 2m

Yes, the numbers add up. They lumped his workout bonuses in with his signing bonus, which was only 4 million.

[TambaBerry]

Any chance they made this move because they are about to pay Canty?

*something monopoly*

I think more of them going after a big name corner, like sean smith or someone who wants money.

[BossChief]

If the 3.5 is legit, that would put us at 15 under if they cut Cassel and Andy.

Right?

If its not right, that leaves us at around 12 under.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

If the 3.5 is legit, that would put us at 15 under if they cut Cassel and Andy.

Right?

If its not right, that leaves us at around 12 under.

Yup

[O.city]

Maybe with that we end up getting Albert longterm and increase that 15 number?

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Look for most teams to back load the contracts this year. 2014 new TV deals cap goes up.

[BossChief]

Just wait for the rumors to start surfacing about them trying to clear cap space to give Alex Cassel his 100million dollar extension.

[O.city]

Therefor, re up Albert and back load the shit out of it.

Then when free agency hits, let Reid turn loose like.................well Reid in a candy store.

[NJChiefsFan]

Look for most teams to back load the contracts this year. 2014 new TV deals cap goes up.

This is why it confused me that you were arguing against re-doing Tamba's deal and wanting to bite the bullet this year. If there is more room next year and after that wouldn't it be easier to push the money back?

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Just wait for the rumors to start surfacing about them trying to clear cap space to give Alex Cassel his 100million dollar extension.

I bet he gets a new deal 9.7m this year is high for him.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

This is why it confused me that you were arguing against re-doing Tamba's deal and wanting to bite the bullet this year. If there is more room next year and after that wouldn't it be easier to push the money back?

I just don't wanna add years to his deal. Hali at 33 wont be any good.

[BossChief]

I bet we hear He got a new deal 9.7m this year is high for him.

I've already got my Vick 100m and benched for a rookie the next year rebuttle ready and loaded.

[NJChiefsFan]

I just don't wanna add years to his deal. Hali at 33 wont be any good.

Well that was part of your argument but it seemed you were also saying it just made more sense to keep the money on this year. If they want the $ to get a guy I don't mind it. Didn't he get a friendly contract anyway? I am not sure they are going to look for all this money to free up anyway. From the Dorsey perspective, he isn't going to be a guy looking to spend a ton in FA.

[NJChiefsFan]

I've already got my Vick 100m and benched for a rookie the next year rebuttle ready and loaded.

That's a weird situation though. Vick got hurt and when he came back the season was wasted already and Reid was out the door.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Well that was part of your argument but it seemed you were also saying it just made more sense to keep the money on this year. If they want the $ to get a guy I don't mind it. Didn't he get a friendly contract anyway? I am not sure they are going to look for all this money to free up anyway. From the Dorsey perspective, he isn't going to be a guy looking to spend a ton in FA.

No Hali contract is awful for the team. 15m 2013 11.5m 2014 12m 2015

[NJChiefsFan]

No Hali contract is awful for the team. 15m 2013 11.5m 2014 12m 2015

Strange. Not sure why I remember thinking it was a good one.

[PA Chiefs]

A redo wouldn't add time just turn most of his base into a signing bonus and spread over the last 2 years. As long as the cap goes up enough next year it will be easy to take the hit then not now.

[aturnis]

A redo wouldn't add time just turn most of his base into a signing bonus and spread over the last 2 years. As long as the cap goes up enough next year it will be easy to take the hit then not now.

Usually, as incentive to help the team by restructuring, the contract is extended. Otherwise the player has no incentive to restructure.

[Rausch]

I just don't wanna add years to his deal. Hali at 33 wont be any good.

I don't know about that but Houston looked like the better pass rusher last year and he's still got room to grow...

[BossChief]

Usually, as incentive to help the team by restructuring, the contract is extended. Otherwise the player has no incentive to restructure.

Usually, a restructure just pays the player up front in cash as a bonus and that allows the team to spread that over a couple of years instead of having one big cap number for the current year.

Players are usually open to this because it gets them paid faster.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Ian Rapoport‏@RapSheet

The Chiefs did not extend Tyson Jackson's contract, according to NFLPA records. Did take a pay cut from >$14M to $4.2M (guaranteed).


Adam Teicher‏@adamteicher

Jackson basically gave $10 mil back to Chiefs and got nothing in return. Don't see that often. Must not have liked his free-agent prospects


Mike Garafolo‏@MikeGarafolo

No extension for Chiefs DE Tyson Jackson, just a pay cut from $14.72 million to $4.2 million.

[Sofa King]

Ian Rapoport‏@RapSheet

The Chiefs did not extend Tyson Jackson's contract, according to NFLPA records. Did take a pay cut from >$14M to $4.2M (guaranteed).


Adam Teicher‏@adamteicher

Jackson basically gave $10 mil back to Chiefs and got nothing in return. Don't see that often. Must not have liked his free-agent prospects


Mike Garafolo‏@MikeGarafolo

No extension for Chiefs DE Tyson Jackson, just a pay cut from $14.72 million to $4.2 million.

http://i515.photobucket.com/albums/t360/tweeds_69/JackNicholson.gif

[CoMoChief]

Ian Rapoport‏@RapSheet

The Chiefs did not extend Tyson Jackson's contract, according to NFLPA records. Did take a pay cut from >$14M to $4.2M (guaranteed).


Adam Teicher‏@adamteicher

Jackson basically gave $10 mil back to Chiefs and got nothing in return. Don't see that often. Must not have liked his free-agent prospects


Mike Garafolo‏@MikeGarafolo

No extension for Chiefs DE Tyson Jackson, just a pay cut from $14.72 million to $4.2 million.

It's a god damn shame that Matt Cassel doesn't man up and apologize and give back the money he stole due to his major suckage.

[mcaj22]

pretty sure he, TJax got all or most of his inflated rookie contract so the money he gave back was the stupid extra deals Pioli was gifting people with silly contract figures

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

If the 3.5 is legit, that would put us at 15 under if they cut Cassel and Andy.

Right?

If its not right, that leaves us at around 12 under.


Chiefs will have another 1m vs the cap I counted Jackson at 5.2m but his cap number is 4.2.


Tyson Jackon can make up to $5.2 million
Posted by Mike Florio on March 7, 2013, 12:58 PM EST
Tyson AP

Chiefs defensive lineman Tyson Jackson, the third overall pick in the 2009 draft, was due to earn a base salary of $14.72 million in 2013.

And he had no better chance than the rest of us to make that much money.

Jackson recently re-did his deal to stay in Kansas City. The initial reports of a new contract omitted the details.

Here they are, per a league source with knowledge of the contract.

Jackson is due to earn a base salary of $4.2 million. Of that amount, $4 million is fully guaranteed for skill, injury, and salary cap.

The one-year deal also includes a $500,000 workout bonus, and an incentive that will pay another $500,000 if he participates in at least 50 percent of the snaps on defense.

So he can make up to $5.2 million. Which is a lot less than $14.72 million. Still, most of the rest of us would take it.

[The Bad Guy]

Overthecap has us at around 111 million before Cassel's cut and the Smith trade.

We will have around 10 million at the start of FA if Cassel is the only one cut.

[BossChief]

Overthecap has us at around 111 million before Cassel's cut and the Smith trade.

We will have around 10 million at the start of FA if Cassel is the only one cut.

The cap went to 123.9

If we cut Studebaker, we should have 15-16 million to spend.

If we extend Albert, that could raise that available $ by a few more.

Lets pray that they use that money to fill holes so that it frees up the draft.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Spotrac.com ‏@spotrac

@ChiefsOsFan Chiefs have an estimated $111M in cap right now, about $12M under

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

After Cassel gets cut we are looking at 17.6m under

[BossChief]

Almost 20 under if we cut Studebaker?

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Almost 20 under if we cut Studebaker?

Yup but i got a feeling someone else is gonna get cut before Tuesday.

[The Franchise]

Yup but i got a feeling someone else is gonna get cut before Tuesday.

Succop

[BossChief]

Yup but i got a feeling someone else is gonna get cut before Tuesday.

What makes you say that?

[BossChief]

I like the way these guys have gone about their house cleaning so far...with the exception of Alex Smith.

[Direckshun]

Holy shit, why does Andy Studebaker cost so fucking much?

[BossChief]

Holy shit, why does Andy Studebaker cost so fucking much?

He's white.

Duh.

[mcaj22]

the good thing about Studebaker is Andy Reid already cut him once in Philly, so I have no doubt he will do it again

[The Bad Guy]

After Cassel gets cut we are looking at 17.6m under

But when Smith gets added that's around 8.5 million.

Chiefs are in good shape cap wise. They'll be able to add I think around 2-3 free agents. My guess is Sean Smith is definitely one of them.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

But when Smith gets added that's around 8.5 million.

Chiefs are in good shape cap wise. They'll be able to add I think around 2-3 free agents. My guess is Sean Smith is definitely one of them.

No Alex Smith is already counted for. We have 17.6m with Alex Smith


http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/cap-hit/

[Sorter]

He's white.

Duh.

He's Vrabel 0.5

[Direckshun]

Pretty exciting, then.

We cut Studebaker and Cassel, and bring on Sean Smith, we're still over 10m in cap space.

That'll land you a decent enough DE, from Dorsey to Canty to Jenkins, then who knows. Maybe some OL depth or a developmental QB out there.

[Sorter]

Pretty exciting, then.

We cut Studebaker and Cassel, and bring on Sean Smith, we're still over 10m in cap space.

That'll land you a decent enough DE, from Dorsey to Canty to Jenkins, then who knows. Maybe some OL depth or a developmental QB out there.

Mmmm Desmond Bryant.

[Direckshun]

Mmmm Desmond Bryant.

YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH

[Direckshun]

I bet we might have a chance at Desmond Bryant.

[penbrook]

No Alex Smith is already counted for. We have 17.6m with Alex Smith


http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/cap-hit/

Does that include the 14 mil in rollover money from last year.

[Sorter]

I bet we might have a chance at Desmond Bryant.

That arrest was timely for us. *cackles*

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Does that include the 14 mil in rollover money from last year.

Yes

[penbrook]

Yes

After Cassell gets cut and some more surprise cuts the cap space will be around 25-30 mil.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

After Cassell gets cut and some more surprise cuts the cap space will be around 25-30 mil.

After Cassel get cuts chiefs will be 17.6 under

[penbrook]

After Cassel get cuts chiefs will be 17.6 under

Oh so the 17.6 includes Cassell getting released.

Well nobody knows who will be the next cut.

[The Bad Guy]

After Cassel get cuts chiefs will be 17.6 under

On the overthecap site that has been pretty awesome with their cap analysis, it currently has the Chiefs at a hair over 110 million but Alex Smith is not listed.

[penbrook]

On the overthecap site that has been pretty awesome with their cap analysis, it currently has the Chiefs at a hair over 110 million but Alex Smith is not listed.

Spottrac has that to and it lists smith as counted for.

[MotherfuckerJones]

TGB, what ya hearing with KC and Free Agents? Im guessing they nab CB Smith, and want to nab Jennings if his price goes way down becuase of his injuries, he's a perfect match for WCO but if we dont even talk to him thats telling with Dorsey's history with GB

[The Bad Guy]

TGB, what ya hearing with KC and Free Agents? Im guessing they nab CB Smith, and want to nab Jennings if his price goes way down becuase of his injuries, he's a perfect match for WCO but if we dont even talk to him thats telling with Dorsey's history with GB

The only thing I've heard in FA is expect them to be active and get the guys they want.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Good. Im sure Smith will be a Chief, that tweet was on point and Davis had to cover his ass and so did Smith. Plus you read that Smith and his agent are defensive over it. Ofcourse theyre gona be that way. They dont want to create a tampering case

[Direckshun]

Gonna be pretty fun.

[The Bad Guy]

Good. Im sure Smith will be a Chief, that tweet was on point and Davis had to cover his ass and so did Smith. Plus you read that Smith and his agent are defensive over it. Ofcourse theyre gona be that way. They dont want to create a tampering case

Al Harris is very close with Smith. He's absolutely been recruited.

I'm certain that he's the #1 target.

[penbrook]

Al Harris is very close with Smith. He's absolutely been recruited.

I'm certain that he's the #1 target.

Good he would be the perfect fit as the #2.

I heard hes looking for 7-8 mil.

[penbrook]

Per ProFootballCentral

Chiefs will be looking to bring CB Sean Smith in for a visit. Smith reportedly is looking for around $7 million a year.

[The Bad Guy]

I'll guarantee that Smith has a deal in place before visits are even allowed.

Players rarely make free agent visits early in FA anymore - especially with these new rules.

These 3 days of negotiating are going to take the official visits out of it.

You want the player, you bring the checkbook to the bargaining table and meet with him on Tuesday to sign the contract.

[The Bad Guy]

Good he would be the perfect fit as the #2.

I heard hes looking for 7-8 mil.

He's worth that. He's young enough that he'll play at a high level the entire contract.

[-King-]

I'll guarantee that Smith has a deal in place before visits are even allowed.

Players rarely make free agent visits early in FA anymore - especially with these new rules.

These 3 days of negotiating are going to take the official visits out of it.

You want the player, you bring the checkbook to the bargaining table and meet with him on Tuesday to sign the contract.

Yep.

[penbrook]

He's worth that. He's young enough that he'll play at a high level the entire contract.

7 mil for a guy like Smith who is that talented plus hes only 25 sounds like a bargain.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Al Harris is very close with Smith. He's absolutely been recruited.

I'm certain that he's the #1 target.

Ill go as far as saying I would be absolutely shocked if he doesnt sign with KC, if he doesnt someone like Detroit breaks the bank or even Tampa

[MotherfuckerJones]

I would love to trade Tamba and get Dumervil if he's cut. I like Tamba but he's getting older

[MotherfuckerJones]

Ok cut Cassel we got 17.6 under, cut Studebaker and that makes us what? Wonder who else we cut.

[The Bad Guy]

I would love to trade Tamba and get Dumervil if he's cut. I like Tamba but he's getting older

Not happening and I don't think Dumervil can play OLB in a 3-4.

[-King-]

I would love to trade Tamba and get Dumervil if he's cut. I like Tamba but he's getting older

Um... they're the same age.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Ok cut Cassel we got 17.6 under, cut Studebaker and that makes us what? Wonder who else we cut.

Andy would add another 2m. No one else is worth cutting after that point.

[-King-]

Not happening and I don't think Dumervil can play OLB in a 3-4.

He had his best season as an OLB in a 3-4.

[The Franchise]

Not happening and I don't think Dumervil can play OLB in a 3-4.

Any words on the offensive line?

[MotherfuckerJones]

Not happening and I don't think Dumervil can play OLB in a 3-4.

He did the year before last under Allen DC. I think.

The free agent i want is Danelle Ellerbe LB BAL. That guy is who I want next to DJ really fucking bad

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

LB Tamba Hali $15,500,000
DB Eric Berry $10,211,700
QB Matt Casse $9,825,000
QB Alex Smith $9,750,000
CB Brandon Flower $9,600,000
RB Jamaal Charles $4,333,333
LB Derrick Johnson $3,500,000
DL Dontari Poe $2,572,728
PK Ryan Succop $2,400,000
WR Jon Baldwin $2,059,528
LB Andy Studebake $2,055,000
OL Jon Asamoah $1,551,030
TE Tony Moeaki $1,494,662
WR Dexter McCluste $1,400,000
DB Kendrick Lewis $1,374,725
OL Jeff Allen $1,055,415
CB Javier Arenas $1,003,750




Really no one left to cut after Cassel and Andy

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Denver Post Broncos ‏@PostBroncos

JUST IN: Elvis Dumervil willing to restructure his #Broncos contract, his agent says: http://dpo.st/XW9Anc


You can forget him

[penbrook]

Tamba had a down season because he was asked to drop into coverage 60% of the time.

With Bob Sutton Tamba will be rushing the qb all the time. Tamba I believe still has a good 4-5 years left.

[The Bad Guy]

He did the year before last under Allen DC. I think.

The free agent i want is Danelle Ellerbe LB BAL. That guy is who I want next to DJ really ****ing bad

I'm weary of all Ravens linebackers. Guy has made something like 7 starts.

There's other ILB's you can get. It's a luxury position.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

I'm weary of all Ravens linebackers. Guy has made something like 7 starts.

There's other ILB's you can get. It's a luxury position.

Yup Ravens have a long list of FA Linebacker bust.

[The Franchise]

I'd rather draft an ILB to play next to DJ.

[MotherfuckerJones]

LB Tamba Hali $15,500,000
DB Eric Berry $10,211,700
QB Matt Cassel $9,825,000
QB Alex Smith $9,750,000
CB Brandon Flower $9,600,000
OL Eric Winston $6,500,000
RB Jamaal Charles $4,333,333
LB Derrick Johnson $3,500,000
DL Dontari Poe $2,572,728
PK Ryan Succop $2,400,000
WR Jon Baldwin $2,059,528
LB Andy Studebaker $2,055,000 $2,055,000
OL Jon Asamoah $1,551,030
TE Tony Moeaki $1,494,662
WR Dexter McCluster $1,400,000
DB Kendrick Lewis $1,374,725
OL Jeff Allen $1,055,415
CB Javier Arenas $1,003,750

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/03/01/4094599/chiefs-will-have-75-million-in.html#storylink=cpy

So cut Cassel, Studebaker, need to restructure succop, Lewis' shoulder is a concern

[MotherfuckerJones]

I'm weary of all Ravens linebackers. Guy has made something like 7 starts.

There's other ILB's you can get. It's a luxury position.

Ya but he made some plays. I wouldnt break the bank or anything

[Sorter]

Yup Ravens have a long list of FA Linebacker bust.

Bart Scott was productive for like, a year and a half. LMAO


I'd rather have Bostic.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

I'd rather draft an ILB to play next to DJ.

I want Jon Bostic.

[Sassy Squatch]

Still would like Barnett from the Bills. Some pretty knowledgeable Bills fans from work had a fit when he was cut. Said he shows up at the right time.

[penbrook]

I'd rather draft an ILB to play next to DJ.

You know who I want next to DJ... Rey Mauluga.

[Sorter]

Still would like Barnett from the Bills. Some pretty knowledgeable Bills fans from work had a fit when he was cut. Said he shows up at the right time.

He'd be a great depth signing IMO.

[Sorter]

You know who I want next to DJ... Rey Mauluga.

wut

[penbrook]

Rey Maualuga (CIN) - MLB*- Maualuga has generally retained his name more on reputation than on his play for the Bengals over the past four seasons. Though he has gradually improved, he still isn't the athlete you want in coverage or the block- shedding thumper you want to protect against the run. It's likely the Bengals will reach out to his agent and open communications, if they already haven't, but with Vontaze Burfict impressing as a rookie, they may move him to the middle and roll the dice in trying to find a replacement at outside linebacker. Rey Maualuga could be a nice inside backer in the right fit and at the right weight, something he's struggled to maintain over the past few seasons.

[Sorter]

Rey Maualuga (CIN) - MLB*- Maualuga has generally retained his name more on reputation than on his play for the Bengals over the past four seasons. Though he has gradually improved, he still isn't the athlete you want in coverage or the block- shedding thumper you want to protect against the run. It's likely the Bengals will reach out to his agent and open communications, if they already haven't, but with Vontaze Burfict impressing as a rookie, they may move him to the middle and roll the dice in trying to find a replacement at outside linebacker. Rey Maualuga could be a nice inside backer in the right fit and at the right weight, something he's struggled to maintain over the past few seasons.

And that's where Boxxy was like "Hey, why the fuck would anyone want an ILB who can't cover when the league is changing rules to encourage passing?"

And I was all like "Well, I have no idea. That's just fucking stupid."

[penbrook]

And that's where Boxxy was like "Hey, why the **** would anyone want an ILB who can't cover when the league is changing rules to encourage passing?"

And I was all like "Well, I have no idea. That's just ****ing stupid."

Thsn who is a ILB out there who can cover.

[BossChief]

I have to admit. I'm a Ray Mauluga fan, too.

He is a liability, though.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Our ILB has to cover. Cant have a liability like Belcher or Siler because they wont play much with Ds having to play alot of nickel

[Sorter]

Thsn who is a ILB out there who can cover.

Bostic.
Minter's not terrible.

Fuck Nick "I'm old as balls" Barnett is better in coverage than Rey. Rey is literally god awful, if not Belcher-esque in coverage.

[CaliforniaChief]

Yeah, I think Bostic would be a great pick at 3.1. He would make our LB corps the biggest group of bad-asses in the NFL. And in a 3-4 defense, that's important.

[ChiefRocka]

Our ILB has to cover. Cant have a liability like Belcher or Siler because they wont play much with Ds having to play alot of nickel

But that Siler can form tackle like a motherfucker!!

[Sorter]

Yeah, I think Bostic would be a great pick at 3.1. He would make our LB corps the biggest group of bad-asses in the NFL. And in a 3-4 defense, that's important.

Ogletree works as well for me.

[penbrook]

But that Siler can form tackle like a mother****er!!

That is true. Just needs to be better in pass coverage.

[Sorter]

That is true. Just needs to be better in pass coverage.

http://i.imgur.com/MPWZi.gif

['Hamas' Jenkins]

There's no reason to pay Succop six times replacement level salary when that's exactly what he is.

[penbrook]

There's no reason to pay Succop six times replacement level salary when that's exactly what he is.

Succop is accurate 45+ but it seems like the close field goals he cant hit.

[Direckshun]

Nobody mentions Brad Jones, possibly the best FA ILB on the market?

Played for the Packers under John Dorsey?

echo echo

echo

[MotherfuckerJones]

Im all for a new K. Vinateri gets big bucks but not Succop

[Sorter]

Nobody mentions Brad Jones, possibly the best FA ILB on the market?

Played for the Packers under John Dorsey?

echo echo

echo

I had forgotten all about old B-rad.

Yeah, bring him on down.

[Direckshun]

I think Jason Jones of the Seahawks should be on our radar, too, as a DE.

He was very effective rushing up the guy of the OL in the Seahawks 4-3 until his injury.

He'd come relatively cheap, and start for us. Offer more of a passrush than Dorsey did.

[Sorter]

I think Jason Jones of the Seahawks should be on our radar, too, as a DE.

He was very effective rushing up the guy of the OL in the Seahawks 4-3 until his injury.

He'd come relatively cheap, and start for us. Offer more of a passrush than Dorsey did.

I did highlight him in that list of FA thing the other day IIRC

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Chiefs have 16.8m under

http://www.overthecap.com/nfl-cap-space.php?Year=2013

http://nfltraderumors.co/nfl-team-cap-space-6/


This is more then i thought. Cutting Cassel we looking at around 22m