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Hammock Parties
01-07-2013, 12:32 PM
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/01/07/2013-pff-free-agency-tracker/

Every year we launch into free agency with the aim to deliver the most comprehensive service out there. We’ve got rankings, breakdowns, team needs and some special features all coming up, but starts here…

With the Pro Football Focus Free Agency Tracker.

We’ve got a run down on all the available free agents with a breakdown of their 2012 snaps and player grades.

This year we’re making it even easier for you to find what you’re looking for by breaking the pages down a number of ways.

Short list of favorites:

RB Mike Goodson
WR Greg Jennings
G Andy Levitre
S Jairus Byrd
CB Sam Shields
DE/DT Steve McLendon (if we go 1-gap this guy would be a nice pickup)

There are a LOT of good safeties hitting FA this year so we should be able to sign someone to complement Berry.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/01/01/free-agent-safeties/

Former Eagles Reid might sign:

Sheldon Brown + this list

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/01/01/free-agents-philadelphia-eagles/

The Franchise
01-07-2013, 12:35 PM
I'll take....

Jared Cook, TE
Sean Smith, CB
Jairus Byrd, S

Strongside
01-07-2013, 12:41 PM
Greg Jennings, please.

RealSNR
01-07-2013, 12:41 PM
Greg Jennings, please.

Does he come with his own surgeon? We'll probably need one.

htismaqe
01-07-2013, 12:42 PM
Somebody said Byrd was already locked up.

Hammock Parties
01-07-2013, 12:43 PM
I think we need to be looking at guards.

Jeff Allen was bad and shouldn't be gifted the starter spot.

PunkinDrublic
01-07-2013, 12:44 PM
That's the good news about this offseason. Once the front office is in place, there is a lot of money to fix the numerous holes on this team through FA. Plus we won't have nearly the amount of swings and misses that Pioli did.

bowener
01-07-2013, 12:45 PM
If we couldn't get Byrd, I wouldn't mind seeing Willy Mo come back to Missouri.

bowener
01-07-2013, 12:47 PM
DRC is an UFA. I didn't pay any attention to him this year, but it is realistic to think Reid may go after him to fill a starting CB spot?

Priest31kc
01-07-2013, 12:48 PM
If we couldn't get Byrd, I wouldn't mind seeing Willy Mo come back to Missouri.

Just about to say this.

Berry & Willy Mo? Yes please.

Have a feeling he'll resign w/Atlanta tho...

Hammock Parties
01-07-2013, 12:49 PM
DRC is an UFA. I didn't pay any attention to him this year, but it is realistic to think Reid may go after him to fill a starting CB spot?

He's not a starter. Dude was toasted a lot.

The Franchise
01-07-2013, 12:50 PM
He's not a starter. Dude was toasted a lot.

It's not a question of talent. It's a question of drive.

bowener
01-07-2013, 12:54 PM
It's not a question of talent. It's a question of drive.

I was wondering if the whole team just gave up this year or what. Is he better than Jalil Brown/Javier Arenas?

The Franchise
01-07-2013, 12:57 PM
I was wondering if the whole team just gave up this year or what. Is he better than Jalil Brown/Javier Arenas?

Fuck yes.

Rausch
01-07-2013, 01:00 PM
I think we need to be looking at guards.

Jeff Allen was bad and shouldn't be gifted the starter spot.

5th round pick...

htismaqe
01-07-2013, 01:14 PM
I think we need to be looking at guards.

Jeff Allen was bad and shouldn't be gifted the starter spot.

Gifted the spot? No.

But to expect him to excel in his first season, with shit coaching, after playing tackle in college, is pretty silly.

He'll be fine, just like Branden Albert was fine.

ThaVirus
01-07-2013, 01:22 PM
Ill take Jairus Byrd or Dashon Goldson, thanks.

Titty Meat
01-07-2013, 01:31 PM
Byrd or Moore
Delanie Walker
Osi

DTLB58
01-07-2013, 02:23 PM
Pass rushers and then when you think you got one, grab another! Yes, even with Hali and Houston, we need more.

But that's just me.

ThaVirus
01-07-2013, 03:32 PM
Pass rushers and then when you think you got one, grab another! Yes, even with Hali and Houston, we need more.

But that's just me.

We desperately need someone that can get consistent pressure from the D line.. we haven't had that since Gilberry and he was only situational.

siberian khatru
01-07-2013, 03:35 PM
5th round pick...

2nd round

Easy 6
01-07-2013, 03:46 PM
Byrd or Moore
Delanie Walker
Osi

If he has anything left, Osi would be a nice piece for the transition to 4-3.

Mr. Laz
01-07-2013, 04:19 PM
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rating high but everyone around here insisted he sucks

so is it PFF or Lilja that sucks?

mcaj22
01-07-2013, 04:25 PM
Gifted the spot? No.

But to expect him to excel in his first season, with shit coaching, after playing tackle in college, is pretty silly.

He'll be fine, just like Branden Albert was fine.

the whole offensive line was fine, besides him

that alone should have elevated his talent and made him a better player when the guys to his left and right are playing at such a high level. And it didnt. He was fucking horrible.

htismaqe
01-07-2013, 04:30 PM
the whole offensive line was fine, besides him

that alone should have elevated his talent and made him a better player when the guys to his left and right are playing at such a high level. And it didnt. He was fucking horrible.

No, he wasn't.

O.city
01-07-2013, 04:32 PM
Juan Castillo should improve the oline, greatly.

Hammock Parties
01-07-2013, 04:33 PM
No, he wasn't.

The guy got his ass kicked in the majority of the games. He ended the season on a down note after showing improvement.

There is no way he can start next year uncontested.

htismaqe
01-07-2013, 04:39 PM
The guy got his ass kicked in the majority of the games. He ended the season on a down note after showing improvement.

There is no way he can start next year uncontested.

I already said he needs competition, did I not?

This idea that he was "horrible" is a myth.

He definitely needs to improve and I wouldn't have a problem with them bringing in a guard to compete.

Upgrading that position is about 7th on my priority list.

EDIT: And it's not a shock he ended the season on a down note after showing improvement mid-season. He got better when Lilja moved to center and go worse when Stephenson replaced Albert. It's not rocket surgery.

O.city
01-07-2013, 04:41 PM
So would you guys not target Maclin, he's WAY down the list, actually worse than Dex.

mcaj22
01-07-2013, 04:41 PM
how is it a myth when he was dog shit

and Lilja retired and we can possibly lose Albert

so at least, there will be 1 to 2 openings on the offensive line for competition. You almost have to bring a veteran in at that point.

If there's one thing Andy Reid loves it's offensive lineman, he will build the line his way and he will waste tons of draft picks on doing it. So we will find out sooner or later if Jeff Allen truly sucks, because Andy Reid certainly wont give him a free pass to develop, the Scott 'Team-killer' Pioli way

EagleRob
01-07-2013, 04:50 PM
If Reid goes FA at this early stage he will be looking bookend OT. Somebody at the top of their game about 26-27 years old and try to lock him up for five years.

O.city
01-07-2013, 04:52 PM
If Reid goes FA at this early stage he will be looking bookend OT. Somebody at the top of their game about 26-27 years old and try to lock him up for five years.

Heh, we already have that guy in KC, just needs to be locked up.

EagleRob
01-07-2013, 04:53 PM
But not King Dunlap.

Hammock Parties
01-07-2013, 04:53 PM
So would you guys not target Maclin, he's WAY down the list, actually worse than Dex.

I don't want to hear any bullshit about a guy who has 26 career TDs.

What does Dex have, 3?

EagleRob
01-07-2013, 04:54 PM
I believe his first move in Philly was Jon Runyan in FA from TEN before the McNabb pick but it's been long enough ago that I don't remember the timing.

htismaqe
01-07-2013, 05:18 PM
how is it a myth when he was dog shit

and Lilja retired and we can possibly lose Albert

so at least, there will be 1 to 2 openings on the offensive line for competition. You almost have to bring a veteran in at that point.

If there's one thing Andy Reid loves it's offensive lineman, he will build the line his way and he will waste tons of draft picks on doing it. So we will find out sooner or later if Jeff Allen truly sucks, because Andy Reid certainly wont give him a free pass to develop, the Scott 'Team-killer' 'Team-killer' Pioli way

He wasn't dog shit. That's the myth.

htismaqe
01-07-2013, 05:19 PM
If Reid goes FA at this early stage he will be looking bookend OT. Somebody at the top of their game about 26-27 years old and try to lock him up for five years.

We have Branden Albert and Eric Winston.

Give Albert a contract extension and he has his bookends. Problem solved.

Easy 6
01-07-2013, 05:49 PM
So would you guys not target Maclin, he's WAY down the list, actually worse than Dex.

Not to start in on some diatribe, but HOW can you say that?

Dex couldnt shine Maclins shoes.

O.city
01-07-2013, 05:52 PM
Just saying if we are going by PFF only, we don't want Maclin.


And no, Dex sucks, don't want him either.

Mr. Laz
01-07-2013, 05:57 PM
Donaldson did a good job to until he seem to wear out after starting for awhile.

Hopefully it was just fatigue because he wasn't used to playing so much.

He's a viable swing tackle and extra tackle for power formations

Mr. Laz
01-07-2013, 06:02 PM
Just saying if we are going by PFF only, we don't want Maclin.


And no, Dex sucks, don't want him either.
so all our Wr's will improve with a real QB except for DMC?


people just pull shit out of their ass, i swear.


Dex is a viable slot WR who should complete for time but i wouldn't be surprise to see him pretty productive in a real offense. He should be good for 60/500 a year.

O.city
01-07-2013, 06:04 PM
so all our Wr's will improve with a real QB except for DMC?


people just pull shit out of their ass, i swear.


Dex is a viable slot WR who should complete for time but i wouldn't be surprise to see him pretty productive in a real offense. He should be good for 60/500 a year.

Where did I say our wr's will improve with a real QB in that statement?

And what has he done to make you think he'll be productive?

alpha_omega
01-07-2013, 06:11 PM
Holy shiite, that is the worst list of QBs I have ever seen. Hope we aren't getting one from there.

Mr. Laz
01-07-2013, 06:14 PM
Where did I say our wr's will improve with a real QB in that statement?

And what has he done to make you think he'll be productive?
He just did 52/452 in our shit offense

Hammock Parties
01-07-2013, 06:17 PM
Dex is a viable slot WR who should complete for time

No, he's not.

He doesn't have size, speed or hands.

He hasn't caught one single pass down the field in his NFL career.

He needs to GTFO and be replaced by someone who can actually make plays.

Hammock Parties
01-07-2013, 06:18 PM
He just did 52/452 in our shit offense

Is that supposed to be good?

You saw the games...the vast majority of his receptions go NOWHERE.

O.city
01-07-2013, 06:23 PM
Is that supposed to be good?

You saw the games...the vast majority of his receptions go NOWHERE.

But with a good QB, he'll be great in the slot.

Halfcan
01-07-2013, 06:32 PM
Seems like a poor FA class this year especially for QB.

Easy 6
01-07-2013, 06:37 PM
Dex is a viable slot WR...

Dude, what? he's dropped almost as many as he's caught, he's a TERRIBLE receiver, he has no business going down the field at all, he gets swallowed up by bigger guys to the point that his QB cant even SEE him to throw to him.

Now if you want to make the case that in an Andy Reid system he can have some success out of the backfield on screens/quick hitches/etc in open space, then i could get behind that... but when he goes downfield, how many times have we seen him either drop it or have it knocked loose by bigger db's?

I've said all along that this is the kind of coach he needs to play for, so i do envision some level of success for him here, but it sure as hell isnt in the slot or at any other receiver position.

O.city
01-07-2013, 06:39 PM
I do think a new QB will open the field up for whoever plays the slot, defenses can't play a 12-15 yard box around the offense.

mcaj22
01-07-2013, 06:45 PM
He wasn't dog shit. That's the myth.

how is that a myth. the analytics don't lie.

CoMoChief
01-07-2013, 07:55 PM
need to draft Barrett Jones 2nd rd...guy can play every Oline position.

Hammock Parties
01-07-2013, 08:22 PM
how is that a myth. the analytics don't lie.

Neither does the footage.

He got owned in the last 3 games.

htismaqe
01-07-2013, 08:30 PM
Neither does the footage.

He got owned in the last 3 games.

Playing next to a rookie.

How was he the 4 games before that?

Look, I'm not saying he's GOOD.

He's also not dog shit.

The world isn't black and white.

TEX
01-07-2013, 08:41 PM
Seems like a poor FA class this year especially for QB.

Yep, and the draft. Just "Chiefs" luck...

crazycoffey
01-07-2013, 08:45 PM
Dude, what? he's dropped almost as many as he's caught, he's a TERRIBLE receiver, he has no business going down the field at all, he gets swallowed up by bigger guys to the point that his QB cant even SEE him to throw to him.

Now if you want to make the case that in an Andy Reid system he can have some success out of the backfield on screens/quick hitches/etc in open space, then i could get behind that... but when he goes downfield, how many times have we seen him either drop it or have it knocked loose by bigger db's?

I've said all along that this is the kind of coach he needs to play for, so i do envision some level of success for him here, but it sure as hell isnt in the slot or at any other receiver position.

Dex is a draftubator, he dropped those passes on purpose. SOC funder too

Hammock Parties
01-07-2013, 09:34 PM
Playing next to a rookie.

How was he the 4 games before that?

Look, I'm not saying he's GOOD.

He's also not dog shit.

The world isn't black and white.

He had a very poor season. He hasn't earned a starting job whatsoever, that's my only point.

We absolutely should sign a FA.

htismaqe
01-07-2013, 09:41 PM
He had a very poor season. He hasn't earned a starting job whatsoever, that's my only point.

We absolutely should sign a FA.

Then I wasn't talking to you was I? :)

I agree he had a poor season. As a rookie, changing from OT in college to OG in the pros, and playing on a line that was in flux all season, he was NOT "dog shit" however.

I also don't have a problem with bringing in free agents. This whole discussion started with me not wanting to DRAFT a guard.

Easy 6
01-07-2013, 09:46 PM
Dex is a draftubator, he dropped those passes on purpose. SOC funder too

I admit, you got me...

AussieChiefsFan
01-08-2013, 03:43 AM
Greg Jennings or Mike Wallace would be awesome. Wouldnt mind Terrence Newman either.

CoMoChief
01-08-2013, 06:17 AM
KC Needs: QB, OL, WR, DL, ILB, CB, S

CoMoChief
01-08-2013, 06:18 AM
Greg Jennings or Mike Wallace would be awesome. Wouldnt mind Terrence Newman either.

Terrance Newman is slower/older than dogshit

O.city
01-28-2013, 06:25 PM
What do you guys think about Reggie Bush if he's cut from Miami?


I'd love to bring in/resign Bowe, Albert, Bush, Ellerbe, Shields

RunKC
01-28-2013, 06:30 PM
Kenny Phillips or William Moore would be amazing.

O.city
01-28-2013, 06:32 PM
I would love to have Moore and that would move Berry to FS, which I would prefer.

ThaVirus
01-28-2013, 06:32 PM
What do you guys think about Reggie Bush if he's cut from Miami?


I'd love to bring in/resign Bowe, Albert, Bush, Ellerbe, Shields

Can't say I'd be mad.

QB aside, this offense needs a serious infusion of speed and playmakers.

He's gotta be getting pretty old though, isn't he? I'd prefer not to overpay, like I'm sure someone will.

O.city
01-28-2013, 06:33 PM
Bush is 27. I can't say I'd be upset with Bush, Charles, Draughn/Gray at RB.

mcaj22
01-28-2013, 06:36 PM
not a chance Ellerbe gets away from King Ozzie in Ravensville.

Priest31kc
01-28-2013, 06:36 PM
I would love to have Moore and that would move Berry to FS, which I would prefer.

Yes. Would love Willy Mo. Have a feeling he'll resign w/Atlanta tho..

O.city
01-28-2013, 06:37 PM
I don't think Ellerbe would get away, but if he did, I'd love to have him paired with DJ.

O.city
01-28-2013, 06:37 PM
It would be nice to atleast come out of the offseason with free agents who aren't complete bargain buys like we are used too.

the Talking Can
01-28-2013, 06:45 PM
What do you guys think about Reggie Bush if he's cut from Miami?


I'd love to bring in/resign Bowe, Albert, Bush, Ellerbe, Shields

i think he'd be awesome under reid....charles and bush would be redic, though I wonder if bush is cool being the #2

don't know what ellerbe would go for, but another solid get...

The Bad Guy
01-28-2013, 06:46 PM
Signing a free agent guard? Doubt it.

Mike Wallace and Sam Shields would be the 2 on my list. This team needs a burner WR desperately.

Anyone who pays Jennings is just asking for trouble.

O.city
01-28-2013, 06:47 PM
Bush Ellerbe and Shields would be a fanfuckingtastic free agency haul, IMO.


Bush and Charles as 1a and 1b,


Hali, Houston, DJ, Ellerbe

Shields, Berry, Flowers and draft FS

The Bad Guy
01-28-2013, 06:48 PM
Why do we want Bush? I don't want my backup RB to be very similar to my starter.

ThaVirus
01-28-2013, 06:48 PM
Shields, Berry, Flowers and draft FS

Shit, if we did that I'd rather draft SS. Let Berry slide over to FS.

O.city
01-28-2013, 06:51 PM
TBH, I'd like to have someone who could basically be interchangeable at SS and FS. I'd like to have a guy, like Berry, who could potentially do both.


I really like Thomas, the safety prospect, in this draft as a 3rd rounder.

Titty Meat
01-28-2013, 06:58 PM
Berry isnt moving to another safety position guys.

The Bad Guy
01-28-2013, 06:59 PM
Berry isnt moving to another safety position guys.

I don't know about that.

When the Eagles were rumored to be enamored with Berry, it was as a FS.

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-28-2013, 07:04 PM
Wallace is going to command #1 WR money and he's not worth that. The smart move would be to sign Maclin who can give you 80-90% of Wallace's production at less than half the price.

I want no part of William Moore.

Another thought re: Ellerbe: how many guys leave teams like Baltimore via FA and actually end up being as good as they appeared to be when they were there?

O.city
01-28-2013, 07:06 PM
Wallace is going to command #1 WR money and he's not worth that. The smart move would be to sign Maclin who can give you 80-90% of Wallace's production at less than half the price.

I want no part of William Moore.

Another thought re: Ellerbe: how many guys leave teams like Baltimore via FA and actually end up being as good as they appeared to be when they were there?

While the last part is true I think Ellerbe is still on the upswing and hasn't maxed

Buehler445
01-28-2013, 07:06 PM
Wallace is going to command #1 WR money and he's not worth that. The smart move would be to sign Maclin who can give you 80-90% of Wallace's production at less than half the price.

I want no part of William Moore.

Another thought re: Ellerbe: how many guys leave teams like Baltimore via FA and actually end up being as good as they appeared to be when they were there?

I thought Maclin still had a year left?

SAUTO
01-28-2013, 07:07 PM
Wallace is going to command #1 WR money and he's not worth that. The smart move would be to sign Maclin who can give you 80-90% of Wallace's production at less than half the price.

I want no part of William Moore.

Another thought re: Ellerbe: how many guys leave teams like Baltimore via FA and actually end up being as good as they appeared to be when they were there?
we would have to trade and then extend Maclin, but I would be for it
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O.city
01-28-2013, 07:08 PM
I'd love to have one of those wrs, but I still feel that with a new qb the ones we have a good enough.


Although we need someone to stretch the field

the Talking Can
01-28-2013, 07:12 PM
my concern with ellerbe would be the superbowl-bounce to his contract demands...i think we're unlikely to go after him anyways, given reid's history with lbs

if - hypothetically - our options were to address the needs at Safety and ILB with one in draft and one in FA, which would you do for which?

this FA class does seem ripe for us picking up an offensive weapon though, if Reid sees the need

The Bad Guy
01-28-2013, 07:15 PM
Maclin isn't a free agent.

O.city
01-28-2013, 07:17 PM
It seems fat Scott was against it, but it shouldn't take 4 offseasons to fill some spots or needs. There is no reason we can't come out of this offseason with a new S, ILB, QB, and a few DL's.

O.city
01-28-2013, 07:19 PM
And a new CB.

Urc Burry
01-28-2013, 07:19 PM
Shields is a restricted free agent. Brent Grimes is available and missed the 2012 season due to a torn ACL. He is expendable in Atlanta and I would be for him. He was elite in 2011.

ShowtimeSBMVP
01-28-2013, 07:21 PM
Wallace is going to command #1 WR money and he's not worth that. The smart move would be to sign Maclin who can give you 80-90% of Wallace's production at less than half the price.

I want no part of William Moore.

Another thought re: Ellerbe: how many guys leave teams like Baltimore via FA and actually end up being as good as they appeared to be when they were there?

Ed Hartwell
Adalius Thomas
Jarret Johnson
Bart Scott
Jamie Sharper

Raven LB's that left and Never Lived Up to Their Big Contracts

O.city
01-28-2013, 07:21 PM
IIRC, it was an achilles, but yea, I'd be willing got take a flyer on him.

O.city
01-28-2013, 07:22 PM
Scott and Johnson weren't bad. And we don't really need Ellerbe to be a start at ILB. Just fill and cover.

Urc Burry
01-28-2013, 07:23 PM
Oops yeah it was an Achilles. I would prefer a taller CB to go with Flowers but would love Grimes

O.city
01-28-2013, 07:24 PM
Well in regards to the CB, I think there will be a stud sitting there at 34.

Urc Burry
01-28-2013, 07:26 PM
I myself love this WR class and would prefer to go that direction rather then FA.. Hunter, Patterson, Rogers etc all have ridiculous potential

O.city
01-28-2013, 07:27 PM
Yeah, the 2nd and 3rd round are gonna be big on DL, CB, and Wr's. Interested to see where we go.

RunKC
01-28-2013, 07:30 PM
I'm really anxious to see which way we go in FA. Dorsey comes from the Packers, who never seem to be really active in FA while Reid has always been pretty active in the FA market.

O.city
01-28-2013, 07:32 PM
I'm really anxious to see which way we go in FA. Dorsey comes from the Packers, who never seem to be really active in FA while Reid has always been pretty active in the FA market.

Same here. It's gonna be interesting to see what or who they target. I hope they don't choose to bargain shop, ala Pioli.


Shields would be a great pickup. Gotta say, I'm enamored with Reggie Bush too.

CoMoChief
01-28-2013, 07:33 PM
I think we need to be looking at guards.

Jeff Allen was bad and shouldn't be gifted the starter spot.

B-b-b-but majority of CP says that we need to start him!!! We shouldn't give up on him!

WRONG......fuckin shitheads.

Allen is garbage.....and Asamoah sucks at pass blocking.

O.city
01-28-2013, 07:34 PM
Allen showed some promise, then started sucking again. He was converting to a new spot, so I would tend to give him some leniency there.

CaliforniaChief
02-04-2013, 07:36 PM
It looks like Ozzie Newsome is going to earn his salary over the next couple of months. He's got something like 13 UFA's and a handful of RFA's. This of course includes Joe Flacco, who is either going to cash in or get tagged. Either way, there might be some good players shaking loose from Baltimore.

The Bad Guy
02-04-2013, 07:41 PM
I'd much rather put Hudson at LG and get another center.

philfree
02-04-2013, 07:43 PM
I'd much rather put Hudson at LG and get another center.

This!

BossChief
02-04-2013, 08:42 PM
I'd much rather put Hudson at LG and get another center.

I agree. While Hudson did look good...the line immediately played better after Lilja took over.

Like you said, I'd like to see us move Hudson back to lg and get a true center.

When he played spot duty there as a rookie, he flashed some serious potential.

O.city
02-04-2013, 08:46 PM
Hudson played what 3 games at C? I'd like to see him there a little more.

mcaj22
02-04-2013, 08:47 PM
Jeff Allen sucks and Andy Reid is not going to give him a "raw development" pass at a starters role

he will bring in someone vet or draft pick that will absolutely push him and beat him out (best case).

thus Allen will be no better than 2nd string, and the free pass development scenario is moot if new blood beats him out for his spot. It just proves hes trash

The Bad Guy
02-04-2013, 08:53 PM
Hudson played what 3 games at C? I'd like to see him there a little more.

For what?

The guy was an all american guard. He belongs there.

Get someone who's played center a majority of their career and make Allen a utility man.

This line is a much better line replacing Allen and having Hudson as the LG.

DaneMcCloud
02-04-2013, 09:03 PM
Bart Scott

Raven LB's that left and Never Lived Up to Their Big Contracts


Without Bart Scott, the Jets would not have been in two consecutive AFC Championship Games.

O.city
02-04-2013, 09:26 PM
For what?

The guy was an all american guard. He belongs there.

Get someone who's played center a majority of their career and make Allen a utility man.

This line is a much better line replacing Allen and having Hudson as the LG.

And that's fine. I just want to have continuity up front either way. Put him at g and draft a c mid rounds

ChiefAshhole20
02-05-2013, 12:02 AM
Hudson is coming back from a bad Lattimore-esque injury as well, at least a guard and center will need to be addressed. Albert's back problem is scary, but this is the year to sign a quality LT via FA. I'm not 100% sure Geno is worth the pick, but the improvement team-wise by just replacing Cassel greatly outweighs the impact Joeckel would bring over Albert. If Alex Smith can be obtained for a 5th, there is little to no reason to not get him, let him play for a year or two, and let Geno sit to get his feet under him similar to how Kaepernick, Rodgers, and Schaub did.

mcaj22
02-05-2013, 12:12 AM
Ed Hartwell
Adalius Thomas
Jarret Johnson
Bart Scott
Jamie Sharper

Raven LB's that left and Never Lived Up to Their Big Contracts


Jamie Sharper and Bart Scott were very good post Ravens and still clearly had some left in the tank production wise.

Adalius Thomas proved what a fraud the exec of the decade was and Jarret Johnson was a bum period

ChiefAshhole20
02-05-2013, 12:16 AM
The ex-Ravens also brought attitude to their new teams as well, something I think this Defense was sorely lacking this year. That, and leadership. I think Bart, with his former LB coach Sutton as his DC could definitely bring some value as being an ILB, especially if he isn't forced to be the number one guy like he was in NY.

mcaj22
02-05-2013, 12:19 AM
The ex-Ravens also brought attitude to their new teams as well, something I think this Defense was sorely lacking this year. That, and leadership. I think Bart, with his former LB coach Sutton as his DC could definitely bring some value as being an ILB, especially if he isn't forced to be the number one guy like he was in NY.

Bart Scott was never the number one guy in NY. He has fallen off a cliff, he was good for a few years there but hes a bum now

ChiefAshhole20
02-05-2013, 12:36 AM
Who else did they have in NY to challenge him for the number one LB spot? And I'm not expecting a career to be reincarnated or anything, but there is worse replacements out there for Siler/Belcher and he should come decently cheap. Wouldn't hurt to have another Shaun Smith-type attitude out there at LB

mcaj22
02-05-2013, 12:40 AM
really?

they have had the same #1 LBer leader since 2007

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8301/career

David Harris's stats crap all over Bart Scott in the half the years.

NJChiefsFan
02-05-2013, 02:43 AM
Jets fans are about done with both of them.

J Diddy
02-05-2013, 02:56 AM
B-b-b-but majority of CP says that we need to start him!!! We shouldn't give up on him!

WRONG......****in shitheads.

Allen is garbage.....and Asamoah sucks at pass blocking.
I'd be surprised if you could identify the shape of a football.

mdchiefsfan
02-05-2013, 05:32 AM
Juan Castillo should improve the oline, greatly.

Not sure if serious. He's in Baltimore.

mdchiefsfan
02-05-2013, 05:49 AM
I'd much rather put Hudson at LG and get another center.

I think Brian Schwenke would be a good grab in the 4th. He looked pretty stout.

ChiefRocka
02-05-2013, 06:57 AM
Lol @ writing off Allen after one year with the crappiest QB imaginable.

mcaj22
02-05-2013, 11:19 AM
QB play has absolutely nothing to do if an olineman is worth a shit or not

when the 4 other guys all play very well with the same crappy QB, Jeff Allen does not get a pass

ShowtimeSBMVP
02-05-2013, 12:32 PM
Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer

RT ‏@JanieMcCAP S Dashon Goldson on franchise tag from #49ers: "I'm not for that, I'm really not. I'd be surprised if they'd do that again."



Janie McCauley ‏@JanieMcCAP

More #49ers Goldson: "I've been in this league 6 yrs now, going on 7. I think I've done what I had to do to deserve a 2nd contract, period."

The Franchise
02-05-2013, 12:33 PM
If they're planning on leaving Berry at SS.....I'd love for Goldson or Byrd to be signed to play FS.

Sorter
02-05-2013, 12:40 PM
If they're planning on leaving Berry at SS.....I'd love for Goldson or Byrd to be signed to play FS.

Yup.

Sorter
02-05-2013, 12:41 PM
The ex-Ravens also brought attitude to their new teams as well, something I think this Defense was sorely lacking this year. That, and leadership. I think Bart, with his former LB coach Sutton as his DC could definitely bring some value as being an ILB, especially if he isn't forced to be the number one guy like he was in NY.

Bart brings no value IMO other than being a run stopper. Too old and slow.

ShowtimeSBMVP
02-05-2013, 12:44 PM
Patriots not sure they can trust Aqib Talib on a multi-year contract
Posted by Michael David Smith on February 5, 2013, 1:42 PM EST
Aqib Talib AP

Aqib Talib played well for the Patriots after they acquired him from the Buccaneers just before the trade deadline, but that doesn’t mean he’ll be in New England for long.

Comcast SportsNet’s Mike Giardi reports that the Patriots have enough concerns about Talib’s work ethic that they question whether they can trust him to stay motivated if they give him a multi-year deal with significant guaranteed money.

That’s no surprise: Talib has great talent for the cornerback position, but he always been known as a player whose character red flags make coaches leery of him. Bill Belichick won’t want to dedicate a lot of salary cap space to a player who isn’t going to buy into the Patriot way.

However, if the Patriots won’t offer Talib a big contract when he becomes a free agent next month, some other team probably will. Which means there’s a real chance that the Patriots will have given up a fourth-round draft pick just for the right to rent Talib for half a season.

CaliforniaChief
02-05-2013, 12:46 PM
Hey I know! Let's claim Titus Young AND sign Aqib Talib! And maybe we can exhume Chester McGlockton!!!

mcaj22
02-05-2013, 01:15 PM
i cant believe some of you people still on this high character red flag caution bullshit

there comes a time when athletic playmaker talent surpasses all the cautions. Aqib Talib's talent cannot be ignored and is worth a contract. And the way things are today you can always load it where there is tons of ways to get out of it or make the hit less if he ends up not working

all I know is FOUR YEARS OF "GOOD CHARACTER" PLAYERS got us 3 losing terrible seasons, an awful offense, one guy driving around like its grand theft auto with guns and drugs and washing out of the league and another guy killing his family and himself

that's what "good character" got us. So uhh yeah, we might as well go for the bad character/athletic talent combo rather than the good character (but actually not)/below average/scrub talent combo we have had the last four years

good thing about Reid and Dorsey is they will take a chance on a BPA WITH TALENT regardless of character

The Franchise
02-05-2013, 01:16 PM
Goldson is reportedly seeking Eric Weddle money. Five years....$40 million.

mcaj22
02-05-2013, 01:30 PM
i sadly would probably do that but what do I know

Flowers
Berry
Goldson
Scurb

not bad

ShowtimeSBMVP
02-05-2013, 01:45 PM
Pro Football Weekly ‏@ProFootballWkly

Per @MikeGarafolo, the #Lions will release DE Kyle Vanden Bosch. He had 16 sacks in the past three seasons.

Titty Meat
02-05-2013, 02:14 PM
Pro Football Weekly ‏@ProFootballWkly

Per @MikeGarafolo, the #Lions will release DE Kyle Vanden Bosch. He had 16 sacks in the past three seasons.

He's washed up

KC_Lee
02-05-2013, 02:15 PM
He's washed up

Yep. When your HC is the coach that you had some of your best years under cuts you, it's time to hang it up.

CHENZ A!
02-05-2013, 02:20 PM
I'd take a chance on Talib. That'd fill a big need for us.

Titty Meat
02-05-2013, 02:22 PM
I'd take a chance on Talib. That'd fill a big need for us.

I would too but nothing more than a 2 year contract.

CHENZ A!
02-05-2013, 02:36 PM
I would too but nothing more than a 2 year contract.

Yeah obviously with his track record, I'm not saying we should throw the bank at him. He's a baller though, we should kick the tires for sure.

ChiefAshhole20
02-05-2013, 02:54 PM
I'd rather take Shields

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-05-2013, 02:58 PM
You can't have a team filled with choir boy stiffs, but character absolutely does matter. I want no part of Talib. You can't depend on him, and he is good enough nor consistent enough to allay that risk.

ChiefAshhole20
02-05-2013, 03:07 PM
How about we sign Titus and Talib for the talent, and than acquire Tebow for the character? That's gotta cancel out all the negatives out right??

ShowtimeSBMVP
02-05-2013, 03:14 PM
Legal tampering period launches on March 9
Posted by Mike Florio on February 5, 2013, 4:12 PM EST
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For the NFL, the ball drops at 345 Park Avenue on Tuesday, March 12, at 4:00 p.m. That’s when the 2013 league year begins.

This year, the clock strikes twelve — sort of — three days earlier.

From Saturday, March 9 through Monday, March 11, teams will be allowed to negotiate with looming free agents, by communicating directly with their agents.

Based on a calendar of key 2013 dates the NFL has circulated, the negotiating window apparently closes at midnight ET on Tuesday. Then, 16 hours later, contracts can be negotiated and signed.

What it means is that, starting at midnight on Saturday the 9th, reports will surface of agreements in principle. Technically, they’ll be unenforceable. And it’s possible that there will be some double dealing and reneging and other intrigue, with reports of agreements with one team leaked in order to push other teams to getting deals done.

Regardless, the real negotiations will begin at or about the Scouting Combine later this month. That’s when the illegal tampering always begins, and everyone does it.

And they’ll continue to do it unless and until some unlucky team gets caught and receives the bounty treatment, absorbing a penalty so significant that it scares everyone else straight.

At least for a little while

ShowtimeSBMVP
02-05-2013, 04:29 PM
Mike Garafolo ‏@MikeGarafolo

Surprising move here, I think: Giants cut LB Michael Boley today.

silver5liter
02-05-2013, 04:46 PM
Mike Garafolo ‏@MikeGarafolo

Surprising move here, I think: Giants cut LB Michael Boley today.

I would sign him. Put him beside DJ

The Franchise
02-05-2013, 04:49 PM
I would sign him. Put him beside DJ

He's a 31 year old LB who got benched in NY.

ShowtimeSBMVP
02-05-2013, 05:09 PM
Four years of service is the dividing line for the players being released
Posted by Mike Florio on February 5, 2013, 6:06 PM EST
ncf_a_young_576 AP

Now that the offseason finally has begun and rosters have unlocked and players can be released, there’s an important distinction that becomes relevant for the first time since late October.

Any player who is released with less than four years of service must pass through waivers, with his current contract eligible to be claimed by any other team. Any player who is released with four or more years of service becomes an unrestricted free agent immediately, free to sign with any other team at any time.

For example, Lions receiver Titus Young went through waivers, and he was claimed by the Rams. Lions defensive end Kyle Vanden Bosch, in contrast, will become a free agent. And he can now sign with the Rams, or anyone else he chooses to sign with.

As of the trade deadline, all players who are released must go through waivers, regardless of their years of experience.