Hunt willing to trade pick per kffl

[kczoo]

Damn

[CoMoChief]

Good....draft Wilson and get more picks.

These Geno enthusiasts need to stop smoking crack.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Here we go!

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Sorry Genobators.

[Imon Yourside]

Smokescreen!!!!!!!!!!

[TEX]

Good....draft Wilson and get more picks.

These Geno enthusiasts need to stop smoking crack.

This, but I prefer Barkley.

[bevischief]

:popcorn:

[Three7s]

LMAO

[DaKCMan AP]

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTq6rfFxd6zwEI9icpZ_bmW5mobcmPhmj8xbblnNzz8gYYNyVUp

[Hammock Parties]

KFFL is just a stenography site. They're going off the radio/print stuff we read yesterday.

[mdchiefsfan]

No harm in hearing what other teams are willing to give you and see where you would land. This is just juicing the tires on discussions.

[BigMeatballDave]

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTq6rfFxd6zwEI9icpZ_bmW5mobcmPhmj8xbblnNzz8gYYNyVUp

LMAO

[GloryDayz]

http://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/when-in-panic-when-in-doubt-run-in-circles-scream-and-shout.png

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTq6rfFxd6zwEI9icpZ_bmW5mobcmPhmj8xbblnNzz8gYYNyVUp

[rageeumr]

It's just good business to listen to offers. If someone is dumb enough to give you a haul like the 'skins got last year, you'd be crazy not to at least think about it.

[BoneKrusher]

Seattle found a QB in round three last year.

[CoMoChief]

It's just good business to listen to offers. If someone is dumb enough to give you a haul like the 'skins got last year, you'd be crazy not to do it.

fyp

[Mr_Tomahawk]

It would be if we could draft back to the 5-10 spot and pick up another pick. I feel there is better value in that spot. There just isnt a consensus #1 overall....just for that reason, I think it's growing to be tough to trade out of the #1 overall spot,

[kcchiefsus]

Hunt won't be making the call. Dumb thread.

[penguinz]

Good....draft Wilson and get more picks.

These Geno enthusiasts need to stop smoking crack.That would be real smart. In a league that is freaking out about concussions you should go out and draft a guy who has a history of concussions.

[J Diddy]

Hunt won't be making the call. Dumb thread.

Hunt makes all the calls. He's the owner. Dumb post.

[Imon Yourside]

Could have hired Romeo Crennel.

[J Diddy]

Could have hired Romeo Crennel.

They asked him, however, Clark tired of his several responses of "I don't know."

[CoMoChief]

That would be real smart. In a league that is freaking out about concussions you should go out and draft a guy who has a history of concussions.

protect the QB then...

[memyselfI]

Good. Get more good players than one questionable QB at #1.

[Easy 6]

Believe NOTHING you hear until the draft is over.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

LOL, in other news, Hunt willing to be given 10 million dollars by a stranger per The Flopnuts News Network.

[penguinz]

protect the QB then...Are you this dumb?

[Dave Lane]

Are you this dumb?

Yes Messr Como is amongst the highest rated stupid people in the US. In fact in 17 states he rules supreme, Only the south has states where its citizens come close to challenging his god given low intellect.

To call him dumb demeans dumb people everywhere and were I you, I would expect a class action lawsuit, if you were to call him merely dumb one more time.

[Exoter175]

No harm in hearing what other teams are willing to give you and see where you would land. This is just juicing the tires on discussions.

This, while I've got money on Geno being the guy, I won't mind Wilson or Bray either, and hey, maybe Geno drops to say, the 11th or 13th selection, we could get quite the value out of trading out of the first and still getting the guy the fans want :D

I like what Clark is doing here at least.

[Bwana]

There just isnt a consensus #1 overall....just for that reason, I think it's growing to be tough to trade out of the #1 overall spot,

Ding ding!

Who is the mystery player that any team would step up to the #1 pick for in this draft and give away the farm to do so? Not going to happen.

[BossChief]

I would be fine if we got a haul similar to what the Rams got for the 2 slot last year.

Move back to 6, add 2 firsts and a second while still getting one of:

Smith
Wilson
Barkley
Glennon
Murray

I would prefer to stay put and draft Geno Smith, but if a team wants to give us a crazy stockpile of picks, I trust Reid and Dorsey to get a good quarterback at 6 that can run the modified WCO we are gonna run.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

I would be fine if we got a haul similar to what the Rams got for the 2 slot last year.

Move back to 6, add 2 firsts and a second while still getting one of:

Smith
Wilson
Barkley
Glennon
Murray

I would prefer to stay put and draft Geno Smith, but if a team wants to give us a crazy stockpile of picks, I trust Reid and Dorsey to get a good quarterback at 6 that can run the modified WCO we are gonna run.

If there was a QB worth that kind of haul ala RGKnee, don't you think we'd just snatch him up ourselves since we don't have a Sam Bradford?

[loochy]

Good. Get more good players than one questionable QB at #1.

He's only questionable because he's not Luck or RG3.

Guess what...nearly every draft pick is questionable.

[loochy]

If there was a QB worth that kind of haul ala RGKnee, don't you think we'd just snatch him up ourselves since we don't have a Sam Bradford?

We have a matt cassel - same thing.

[J Diddy]

Ding ding!

Who is the mystery player that any team would step up to the #1 pick for in this draft and give away the farm to do so? Not going to happen.

I don't think anybody is going to give up the farm, however, any team that covets a player that might not be there when their pick is up could move forward. There is a lot more realistic chance now of that happening then it would have been a couple of years ago.

[ChiefMojo]

I'm not against trading back a little if we deemed two QB's equal. The likelihood one will be there is very high.

With that said I don't see a player out there that teams will be dying to trade up for?

The top of the draft is filled with DT's and DE's.... unless someone was desperate for Joeckel?

[buddha]

Who is willing to trade up for the #1 pick this year? I sure as hell wouldn't. This is the most f'd up year to have the first pick...typical Chiefs luck.

[suds79]

Seattle found a QB in round three last year.

certainly that's exception and not the rule

[suds79]

That would be real smart. In a league that is freaking out about concussions you should go out and draft a guy who has a history of concussions.

How many has he had?

[DMAC]

They are stuck at #1.

[Mr. Laz]

'Willing to' and 'Wants to' are vastly different things


at this point, i would expect the team to be open to anything.

[OmahaChief]

I really hope that someone emerges at the combine and some team wants to overpay for that first pick. We could could afford to pick up some addtional picks and continue to build this team through the draft.

[Saul Good]

A team traded up for Tannehill. Think about that.

[crossbow]

Again, There is no Reggie White, Derrick Thomas or Julius Peppers in this draft class so why would someone trade the farm to us to move up?

[BigMeatballDave]

Good. Get more good players than one questionable QB at #1.

People are fucking dumb.

If there is no player that a 2-14 needs at #1, then why would anyone trade up?

[BigMeatballDave]

A team traded up for Tannehill. Think about that.

Not to #1

[crossbow]

In the fine tradition of Kansas City Football we picked another lousy year to have a good draft position.

[Fat Elvis]

They are stuck at #1.

I think both Arizona and Buffalo might get in a bidding war for our #1 pick.

I also think that KC will ultimately wind up with EJ Manuel as the rookie QB.

Vick will be brought in this year--Reid has a big man crush on him--and next year Josh Freeman will be brought in as a potential QB.

Having Manuel, Vick, and Freeman competing for the starting QB position would not be that bad in my opinion.

We could do a lot worse. Like this past year.

[Brock]

I think both Arizona and Buffalo might get in a bidding war for our #1 pick.

For who?

[RealSNR]

Turn your rep on

[BossChief]

If there was a QB worth that kind of haul ala RGKnee, don't you think we'd just snatch him up ourselves since we don't have a Sam Bradford?

I agree but it's possible Reid sees something in Geno he doesn't like and feels a guy like Barkley is a better fit. Like I said, I'd rather have the top pick spent on a qb and no messing around, but I'm ok as long as we get a qb.

[BossChief]

A team traded up for Tannehill. Think about that.

Huh?

[Jayhawk Chief]

Keep all options open. Good plan.

[Fat Elvis]

For who?

Smith.

They are just as desperate for a QB as KC--arguably, AZ more so, that, and Buffalo has openly said they will be looking to draft their franchise QB this year.

Those two teams are pretty panicked about the QB situation. It seems like the new regime in KC isn't nearly as concerned. I mean they know the QB situation is bad, but they don't seem to think that any particular QB (read: Geno) is heads and shoulders above other QBs they can snag later on in the draft.

Personally, I think it sucks, but based on the recent pressers, I'm not getting my hopes up that we will actually use the #1 pick on Geno.

[Brock]

Smith.

If Smith is worth getting into a bidding war for, we should just take him. JMO.

[candyman]

Im sure its already been said, but there's no way anyone would give up what they'd have to to move up to #1, there's no player in this draft that's worth it. That being said if someone offered and we could still pick in the top 5 I would be all over that.

[kcchiefsus]

Hunt makes all the calls. He's the owner. Dumb post.

On draft day? No, he's not going to make the call. He's not a football guy and he knows that, even with him getting more involved with the franchise he's not going to make a call like that. He isn't Jerry Jones.

[kcchiefsus]

Smith.

They are just as desperate for a QB as KC--arguably, AZ more so, that, and Buffalo has openly said they will be looking to draft their franchise QB this year.

Those two teams are pretty panicked about the QB situation. It seems like the new regime in KC isn't nearly as concerned. I mean they know the QB situation is bad, but they don't seem to think that any particular QB (read: Geno) is heads and shoulders above other QBs they can snag later on in the draft.

Personally, I think it sucks, but based on the recent pressers, I'm not getting my hopes up that we will actually use the #1 pick on Geno.

And you know this how? Let me guess, from SPECULATION you read in the media. There is not a single team in the nfl that needs more help at quarterback than the chiefs.

[royr17]

If they dont take Geno, I'd rather have Winson or E.J. Manuel in the 2nd round instead Barkley. Barkley would be the right fit for the west coast offense but i want more than just that.

[Thig Lyfe]

I think both Arizona and Buffalo might get in a bidding war for our #1 pick.

I also think that KC will ultimately wind up with EJ Manuel as the rookie QB.

Vick will be brought in this year--Reid has a big man crush on him--and next year Josh Freeman will be brought in as a potential QB.

Having Manuel, Vick, and Freeman competing for the starting QB position would not be that bad in my opinion.

We could do a lot worse. Like this past year.

wat

[BossChief]

People need to throw the idea out the window that Barkley isn't a good prospect. This place would have been THRILLED if he came out last year and we got him.

[IAmABabySeal]

People need to throw the idea out the window that Barkley isn't a good prospect. This place would have been THRILLED if he came out last year and we got him.He's not

[suds79]

If they dont take Geno, I'd rather have Winson or E.J. Manuel in the 2nd round instead Barkley. Barkley would be the right fit for the west coast offense but i want more than just that.

At this point Barkley is off my board. Simply for personal reasons, I'm tired of weak armed QBs in KC. I'm ready for that big armed QB.

So for me it's...

Geno, Wilson, Bray, Glennon, Manuel all before Barkley. Yes I understand that Barkley is probably a better QB then a few of those guys but I don't care. Don't want him.

To me he's Chad Pennington esk.

[tyton75]

I really think Barkley would be a perfect fit for the style of offense we are going to play. That said, would hate to see us take him #1 overall.

[binkybink77]

Mike Hunt?

[Brock]

Mike Hunt?

Ha ha ha. Your first post is a funny.

[HolyHat]

I remember my first poker game...

[Rausch]

And I got roughed up yesterday for just suggesting the idea...

[RealSNR]

If they dont take Geno, I'd rather have Winson or E.J. Manuel in the 2nd round instead Barkley. Barkley would be the right fit for the west coast offense but i want more than just that.

EJ Manuel? Over Barkley?

Fuck. That.

[BossChief]

What is telling is that Andy Reid doesn't think that much of Geno Smith. That seems like the elephant in the room.

[Ace Gunner]

No harm in hearing what other teams are willing to give you and see where you would land. This is just juicing the tires on discussions.

yep. I doubt they will though.

[Three7s]

At this point Barkley is off my board. Simply for personal reasons, I'm tired of weak armed QBs in KC. I'm ready for that big armed QB.

So for me it's...

Geno, Wilson, Bray, Glennon, Manuel all before Barkley. Yes I understand that Barkley is probably a better QB then a few of those guys but I don't care. Don't want him.

To me he's Chad Pennington esk.
Pennington is a pretty good comparison for Barkley.

[HemiEd]

I really think Barkley would be a perfect fit for the style of offense we are going to play. That said, would hate to see us take him #1 overall.

:spock: Really? You think Barkley is going to be better in Reid's system than Smith?

[CaliforniaChief]

This board's going to have a hard time surviving the next 100 days. Smokescreens, divergent opinions, and scouting reports are going to choke us out.

[BossChief]

Pennington is a pretty good comparison for Barkley.

Pennington was a franchise quarterback before he had all the shoulder issues.

[Ace Gunner]

What is telling is that Andy Reid doesn't think that much of Geno Smith. That seems like the elephant in the room.

meh. he's baiting the league & looking for a grand slam scenario, nothing more.

[Three7s]

This board's going to have a hard time surviving the next 100 days. Smokescreens, divergent opinions, and scouting reports are going to choke us out.
And then the meltdown when the Chiefs pick Geno Smith and all the haters cry about it.

I'm going to enjoy that. :D

[jd1020]

I would be fine if we got a haul similar to what the Rams got for the 2 slot last year.

Move back to 6, add 2 firsts and a second while still getting one of:

Smith
Wilson
Barkley
Glennon
Murray

I would prefer to stay put and draft Geno Smith, but if a team wants to give us a crazy stockpile of picks, I trust Reid and Dorsey to get a good quarterback at 6 that can run the modified WCO we are gonna run.

Murray is going back to school.

[Ace Gunner]

Pennington was a franchise quarterback before he had all the shoulder issues.

I think he's saying AFTER the shoulder problems :D

[BossChief]

Murray is going back to school.

Then replace him with Bray on the list.

[Thig Lyfe]

To me he's Chad Pennington esk.

esk?

[HolyHat]

Why is it so hard for people to understand that the Chiefs arent going to give any information away? You guys are stressing out over nothing. How many more threads are we going to have like this?

[jd1020]

Then replace him with Bray on the list.

You'd take Glennon/Bray at 6?

:Lin:

[suds79]

esk?

meant to put esque. I'm a horrible speller.

[Ace Gunner]

oh and chad p didn't move like he had poop pants and cement shoes.

[keg in kc]

I love the logic. The Packers drafted Rodgers late first, so why draft a QB #1? The Seahawks drafted Wilson in the 3rd, so why draft a QB #1? The Patriots drafted Brady in the 6th, so why draft a QB #1? Like all these guys are the norm and not the exceptions that prove the rule. Tons and tons of great QBs just sitting there every year! Why spend the pick on a QB when there are bargains to be had! The next Tyler Thigpen is sitting out there, I promise! Or the next Brodie Croyle! Or the next Ricky Stanzi! Or the next James Kilian! There has to be a Jeff Smoker out there somewhere!

Yeah, let's keep being the bargain basement team. Why use the #1 pick at all? Let's just trade out of there and avoid that potential big mistake that'll set the franchise back for a decade (I ain't never heard of this thing called 'the CBA'). Let's collect a bunch of middle round picks so we can get more 'guys' to drool over on the practice squad for the next three years until they're cut. Maybe we can find some more training camp hero quarterbacks that don't actually ever do anything in training camp or on the field in the NFL. Guys who might be real stars if only they got a chance, golly gee whiz.

(This post is about the fanbase, not the management.)

[Ace Gunner]

meant to put esque. I'm a horrible speller.

gold star :D

[royr17]

EJ Manuel? Over Barkley?

****. That.

Why not, he's a 2nd round quarterback, according to reports Andy Reid is pretty good at developing QB's, why not take a athletic quarterback like him in the 2nd if you dont draft a QB in the first round.

[penguinz]

How many has he had?At least two documented while playing for Arkansas. Since college does not have to report injuries there is good chance it has been more.

[mdchiefsfan]

I love the logic. The Packers drafted Rodgers late first, so why draft a QB #1? The Seahawks drafted Wilson in the 3rd, so why draft a QB #1? The Patriots drafted Brady in the 6th, so why draft a QB #1? Like all these guys are the norm and not the exceptions that prove the rule. Tons and tons of great QBs just sitting there every year! Why spend the pick on a QB when there are bargains to be had! The next Tyler Thigpen is sitting out there, I promise! Or the next Brodie Croyle! Or the next Ricky Stanzi! Or the next James Kilian! There has to be a Jeff Smoker out there somewhere!

Yeah, let's keep being the bargain basement team. Why use the #1 pick at all? Let's just trade out of there and avoid that potential big mistake that'll set the franchise back for a decade (I ain't never heard of this thing called 'the CBA'). Let's collect a bunch of middle round picks so we can get more 'guys' to drool over on the practice squad for the next three years until they're cut. Maybe we can find some more training camp hero quarterbacks that don't actually ever do anything in training camp or on the field in the NFL. Guys who might be real stars if only they got a chance, golly gee whiz.

(This post is about the fanbase, not the management.)

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[The Franchise]

Why not, he's a 2nd round quarterback, according to reports Andy Reid is pretty good at developing QB's, why not take a athletic quarterback like him in the 2nd if you dont draft a QB in the first round.

Because E.J. Manuel isn't good.

[suds79]

At least two documented while playing for Arkansas. Since college does not have to report injuries there is good chance it has been more.

Okay so we can say for sure 2 because you could throw out the possibly more option about anybody.

Is it a concern? Yes. But he's still a very close #2 in my book. Too much talent IMO to take him off.

[bevischief]

Why is it so hard for people to understand that the Chiefs arent going to give any information away? You guys are stressing out over nothing. How many more threads are we going to have like this?

There is going to 100s of them...

[teedubya]

I have 100% faith in Dorsey and Reid. I'm worried ZERO%. Whatever they choose is fine with me.

[HolyHat]

There is going to 100s of them...

Can't wait...:harumph:

[bevischief]

ROFL:popcorn:

[notorious]

It would be if we could draft back to the 5-10 spot and pick up another pick. I feel there is better value in that spot. There just isnt a consensus #1 overall....just for that reason, I think it's growing to be tough to trade out of the #1 overall spot,

Just wait until the combine.

Somebody will seperate and cause the entire media to jizz.

[Fat Elvis]

If Smith is worth getting into a bidding war for, we should just take him. JMO.

I agree, but I just don't think the FO sees the value in him. Clark has pretty much flat out said that they don't think there is a franchise QB in the draft. I think Reid sees some QBs that he thinks would make servicable QBs under his mentoring, but given the Cards and Bills stated desperation, I wouldn't be surprised to see Reid and Dorsey try to take advantage of them and fill a lot of other holes on the team and still get a QB that they rate in the same neighborhood as Geno.

[TEX]

I agree, but I just don't think the FO sees the value in him. Clark has pretty much flat out said that they don't think there is a franchise QB in the draft. I think Reid sees some QBs that he thinks would make servicable QBs under his mentoring, but given the Cards and Bills stated desperation, I wouldn't be surprised to see Reid and Dorsey try to take advantage of them and fill a lot of other holes on the team and still get a QB that they rate in the same neighborhood as Geno.

IF I felt Geno is not worh the # 1 pick, that's exactly what I'd do. For the record - I hope that's what they do.

[Oh Snap]

Oh fuck that noise!!! We EARNED the number overall pick! Anyone remember that 2-14 season a few years ago? The year we picked THIRD overall in 2009? We'll pick first overall, and Hunt WILL LIKE IT!!!1

[The Franchise]

I agree, but I just don't think the FO sees the value in him. Clark has pretty much flat out said that they don't think there is a franchise QB in the draft. I think Reid sees some QBs that he thinks would make servicable QBs under his mentoring, but given the Cards and Bills stated desperation, I wouldn't be surprised to see Reid and Dorsey try to take advantage of them and fill a lot of other holes on the team and still get a QB that they rate in the same neighborhood as Geno.

Clark is a fan. And I wouldn't believe anything that anybody says this soon before the draft.

[Saccopoo]

It would be if we could draft back to the 5-10 spot and pick up another pick. I feel there is better value in that spot. There just isnt a consensus #1 overall....just for that reason, I think it's growing to be tough to trade out of the #1 overall spot,

There is unquestionably a consensus #1 for the Chiefs:

Geno Smith

He is, without question, the best quarterback in this draft.

As well, there is no one else in this draft that has been as good at their respective positions at a position of impact then Geno Smith has over the past three collegiate football seasons.

Jarvis Jones lacks elite speed and has a degenerative neck injury that the USC medical staff wouldn't clear him of.

Luke Joeckel wasn't even the best offensive tackle prospect on his team and he's coming from a true first read, dump off spread system with Fran Tarkenton Jr. as his QB. The guy hasn't truly pass blocked and will require a huge learning/adjustment curve at the next level. And he's not the prospect that Okung, Long or Thomas were. In fact, I don't think he's at the same level as Nate Solder or Anthony Castonzo either. He's more of a poor man's Matt Kalil. A finesse guy who is going to have to be in a zone block scheme with a solid guard next to him.

Chance Warmack is a guard. And he's not at the same level as David DeCastro from last year, who went #24. And he's not even the best O-line guy on his team, which would be Barrett Jones, who has to have lisfranc surgery.

DeMontre Moore, Barkevious Mingo and Dion Jordan are all the exact same player. Very good, but not Von Miller good and they all have to develop better run defense skills.

Starlite Lotulelei is a very good player. But he's not an upfield disruptor and Ohio State's John Hankins might even be a more versatile player than Lotulelei. I'd even argue that taking Star's teammate Joe Kruger would be a better option for the Chiefs than Star himself. And after taking Poe with the eleventh pick last season, anyone wanting the exact same guy with the #1 this season should be shot in the face.

Bjoern Werner is tenacious and tough. But he got his sacks in bunches and there were stretches where he was a non-factor.

Dee Milliner is a very good, very solid player. But so are Xavier Rhodes, David Amerson and Jon Banks - and one of those guys will be available at the top of the second round.

There will be no Geno at the top of the second round. There will be no Geno if the Chiefs trade out of the #1 spot.

There are a lot of good players in this draft. I think its deep and talented. But no one has been as good as Geno has been at there respective positions, and then you consider that Geno plays the most critical position on the field, then it's a no brainer.

Trading down is going full retard. Not picking Geno is going full retard+.

[Fat Elvis]

And you know this how? Let me guess, from SPECULATION you read in the media. There is not a single team in the nfl that needs more help at quarterback than the chiefs.

You should really check out the Cards.

John Skelton: 2 TDs 9INTs 55.4 QB Rating
Ryan Lindley: 0 TDs 7INTs 46.7 QB Rating

vs

Matt Cassel: 6TDs 12INTs 66.7 QB Rating
Brady Quinn: 2TDs 8INTs 60.1 QB Rating

BRADY QUINN WAS BETTER THAN THE CARDS QBs.

[saphojunkie]

I agree, but I just don't think the FO sees the value in him. Clark has pretty much flat out said that they don't think there is a franchise QB in the draft. I think Reid sees some QBs that he thinks would make servicable QBs under his mentoring, but given the Cards and Bills stated desperation, I wouldn't be surprised to see Reid and Dorsey try to take advantage of them and fill a lot of other holes on the team and still get a QB that they rate in the same neighborhood as Geno.

Well, if Reid doesn't think Geno Smith is a franchise guy after watching all of the tape, then I am fine with not taking him, I guess. I'm not happy about it, but I won't fly a banner.

That doesn't mean that Reid can't be wrong, obviously. I am sure he has passed on franchise quarterbacks in the past. However, I think it is at least as likely that we are all drooling over a guy we think is a franchise QB but is not.

At this point, one of us is dead wrong. So, who is it? The single expert who, even in a field of knowledgeable professionals, is considered one of the better assessors of talent? Or the large group that lacks the expertise, but makes up for it in wide confirmation of opinion?

I'll say it's a 50/50 at this point.

Maybe the Chiefs are trying to trade down, because the truth is we have multiple holes and we'd just love to get our hands on both Geno and a pass rusher, or Wilson AND a cornerback.

And maybe the Chiefs believe that the hate for this QB class is widespread and no one is going to jump on a guy. Maybe they believe they can trade down and still land a guy who is one of the most talented later in the first round.

It's not crazy - that shit happens. I'm not going to freak out just yet, even though all signs point to the Kansas City Chiefs taking their first ever #1 overall draft pick and passing on a franchise quarterback, despite having some of the historically worst QB play ever the past two years.

Le sigh...

[Saccopoo]

protect the QB then...

You do realize that they took a very solid left tackle prospect in the third round last year?

You do realize that they took a very solid left tackle prospect in the second round last year? (And yes, I know that they "envisioned" Allen at guard, but he was a four year starter at left tackle and played the position extremely well.)

You do realize that they took the best guard (and I'd argue best all-around offensive lineman) in the draft in 2011?

You do realize that they took an All-American guard in 2010 in the third round?

You do realize that they signed one of the top three right tackles in the NFL as a free agent last year?

You do realize that they already have a top 15 left tackle coming into the prime of his career that they could franchise, but will most likely resign?

I mean, seriously...

Taking a offensive lineman in anything above the sixth or seventh round for depth this next draft would be so completely stupid that it might actually redefine the definition of stupid. Blackbobian commentary at it's finest.

[Frosty]

You do realize that they took a very solid left tackle prospect in the third round last year?

You do realize that they took a very solid left tackle prospect in the second round last year? (And yes, I know that they "envisioned" Allen at guard, but he was a four year starter at left tackle and played the position extremely well.)

You do realize that they took the best guard (and I'd argue best all-around offensive lineman) in the draft in 2011?

You do realize that they took an All-American guard in 2010 in the third round?

You do realize that they signed one of the top three right tackles in the NFL as a free agent last year?

You do realize that they already have a top 15 left tackle coming into the prime of his career that they could franchise, but will most likely resign?

I mean, seriously...

Taking a offensive lineman in anything above the sixth or seventh round for depth this next draft would be so completely stupid that it might actually redefine the definition of stupid. Blackbobian commentary at it's finest.

:hmmm:

Who are you and why are you using Saccopoo's account?

[saphojunkie]

All whole bunch of stuff about why we should take Geno Smith.



Great points. Just didn't feel like quoting the whole thing to tell you it was good.

[Saccopoo]

I really hope that someone emerges at the combine and some team wants to overpay for that first pick. We could could afford to pick up some addtional picks and continue to build this team through the draft.

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I'm going to have to invest in a new repstick. This one is getting worn out.

[Fat Elvis]

There is unquestionably a consensus #1 for the Chiefs:

Geno Smith

He is, without question, the best quarterback in this draft.

As well, there is no one else in this draft that has been as good at their respective positions at a position of impact then Geno Smith has over the past three collegiate football seasons.

Jarvis Jones lacks elite speed and has a degenerative neck injury that the USC medical staff wouldn't clear him of.

Luke Joeckel wasn't even the best offensive tackle prospect on his team and he's coming from a true first read, dump off spread system with Fran Tarkenton Jr. as his QB. The guy hasn't truly pass blocked and will require a huge learning/adjustment curve at the next level. And he's not the prospect that Okung, Long or Thomas were. In fact, I don't think he's at the same level as Nate Solder or Anthony Castonzo either. He's more of a poor man's Matt Kalil. A finesse guy who is going to have to be in a zone block scheme with a solid guard next to him.

Chance Warmack is a guard. And he's not at the same level as David DeCastro from last year, who went #24. And he's not even the best O-line guy on his team, which would be Barrett Jones, who has to have lisfranc surgery.

DeMontre Moore, Barkevious Mingo and Dion Jordan are all the exact same player. Very good, but not Von Miller good and they all have to develop better run defense skills.

Starlite Lotulelei is a very good player. But he's not an upfield disruptor and Ohio State's John Hankins might even be a more versatile player than Lotulelei. I'd even argue that taking Star's teammate Joe Kruger would be a better option for the Chiefs than Star himself. And after taking Poe with the eleventh pick last season, anyone wanting the exact same guy with the #1 this season should be shot in the face.

Bjoern Werner is tenacious and tough. But he got his sacks in bunches and there were stretches where he was a non-factor.

Dee Milliner is a very good, very solid player. But so are Xavier Rhodes, David Amerson and Jon Banks - and one of those guys will be available at the top of the second round.

There will be no Geno at the top of the second round. There will be no Geno if the Chiefs trade out of the #1 spot.

There are a lot of good players in this draft. I think its deep and talented. But no one has been as good as Geno has been at there respective positions, and then you consider that Geno plays the most critical position on the field, then it's a no brainer.

Trading down is going full retard. Not picking Geno is going full retard+.

Look. I want Geno. That is my preference. Based on what is coming out of One Arrowhead Way, however, I'm starting to temper my expectations. Tell Reid, Clark and Dorsey your opinion, not me.

[The Franchise]

FFS.....people have been screaming for years about how you should build the team AND THEN draft the QB. Well guess what fuckers? We fucking did. It was dumb....but we fucking did it.

Young and talented offensive line? Check.
RB who can take the heat off of the QB? Check.
Talented WRs? Check. (I still think half of Baldwin's problems were coaching and the QB position)

We have the perfect opportunity right in front of us. We upgraded our coaching and we have the ability to draft a damn good QB. Yet there are still fucking people that want to keep waiting until the next year for a QB.

[loochy]

You should really check out the Cards.

John Skelton: 2 TDs 9INTs 55.4 QB Rating
Ryan Lindley: 0 TDs 7INTs 46.7 QB Rating

vs

Matt Cassel: 6TDs 12INTs 66.7 QB Rating
Brady Quinn: 2TDs 8INTs 60.1 QB Rating

BRADY QUINN WAS BETTER THAN THE CARDS QBs.

how is this possible?

mind = blown

[HolyHat]

You do realize that they took a very solid left tackle prospect in the third round last year?

You do realize that they took a very solid left tackle prospect in the second round last year? (And yes, I know that they "envisioned" Allen at guard, but he was a four year starter at left tackle and played the position extremely well.)

You do realize that they took the best guard (and I'd argue best all-around offensive lineman) in the draft in 2011?

You do realize that they took an All-American guard in 2010 in the third round?

You do realize that they signed one of the top three right tackles in the NFL as a free agent last year?

You do realize that they already have a top 15 left tackle coming into the prime of his career that they could franchise, but will most likely resign?

I mean, seriously...

Taking a offensive lineman in anything above the sixth or seventh round for depth this next draft would be so completely stupid that it might actually redefine the definition of stupid. Blackbobian commentary at it's finest.

I wanna + Rep all over your face :clap:

[FringeNC]

There is unquestionably a consensus #1 for the Chiefs:

Geno Smith

He is, without question, the best quarterback in this draft.



If Dorsey and Reid believe Geno Smith is "without question" the best quarterback in the draft, I find it hard to believe they won't take him #1. No first year GM/HC duo is going to pass on the "without question" best QB in the draft. Too bad we can't get a peak at the GB draft board.

If they DON'T take him, it won't be they don't understand the importance of a franchise QB, it will be they don't think Geno is that good.

[Saccopoo]

In the fine tradition of Kansas City Football we picked another lousy year to have a good draft position.

Really? Let's compare three recent highly touted three year starters at QB's career numbers:

Geno Smith

988/1465
67.4% completion
11,662 yards
8.0 ypa
98 TDs
21 Ints
153.5 rating

Andrew Luck

713/1064
67.0%
9430 yards
8.9 ypa
82 TDs
22 Ints
162.8 rating

Robert Griffin

800/1192
67.1%
10,366 yards
8.7 ypa
78 TDs
17 Ints
158.9 rating

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[Mr. Laz]

Why is it so hard for people to understand that the Chiefs arent going to give any information away? You guys are stressing out over nothing. How many more threads are we going to have like this?

There is going to 100s of them...

Can't wait...:harumph:
1000's of them ... literally 1000's

each time some John Doe blogger from BFE predicts the Chiefs will do 'xxxx' in the draft we will get a thread cussing out the Chiefs for being stupid ... even though the team didn't do anything.

[RealSNR]

Why not, he's a 2nd round quarterback, according to reports Andy Reid is pretty good at developing QB's, why not take a athletic quarterback like him in the 2nd if you dont draft a QB in the first round.

Brock Osweiler was a 2nd round QB, too.

Project QBs are okay as long as they demonstrate at least a faint streak of accuracy, pocket presence, and any/all other important trait in a franchise QB.

Osweiler wasn't consistently accurate enough in college. Neither is Manuel.

There's a HUGE difference between spending a pick on Barkley and pissing away a 2nd on Manuel or Osweiler.

[Mr. Laz]

I wanna + Rep all over your face :clap:

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[Saccopoo]

I agree, but I just don't think the FO sees the value in him. Clark has pretty much flat out said that they don't think there is a franchise QB in the draft. I think Reid sees some QBs that he thinks would make servicable QBs under his mentoring, but given the Cards and Bills stated desperation, I wouldn't be surprised to see Reid and Dorsey try to take advantage of them and fill a lot of other holes on the team and still get a QB that they rate in the same neighborhood as Geno.

What holes are you going to fill with a bunch of mid-round picks?

Seriously. I'd like to know.

[RealSNR]

I'd rather spend that 2nd round pick on Kirk Cousins than draft EJ Manuel. And I fucking hate Kirk Cousins with every fiber of my being.

THAT'S what I think of EJ Manuel.

[Titty Meat]

Guys there will be tons of smoke until the draft. Always is.

[RealSNR]

What holes are you going to fill with a bunch of mid-round picks?

Seriously. I'd like to know.

This roster needs more Allen Baileys and Alex Magees

[mcaj22]

FFS.....people have been screaming for years about how you should build the team AND THEN draft the QB. Well guess what ****ers? We ****ing did. It was dumb....but we ****ing did it.

Young and talented offensive line? Check.
RB who can take the heat off of the QB? Check.
Talented WRs? Check. (I still think half of Baldwin's problems were coaching and the QB position)

We have the perfect opportunity right in front of us. We upgraded our coaching and we have the ability to draft a damn good QB. Yet there are still ****ing people that want to keep waiting until the next year for a QB.

you got the RB part right but that's about it lol

[RealSNR]

you got the RB part right but that's about it lol

You really have a problem with this offensive line? It needs to be tweaked, not overhauled.

We've got bookend tackles FFS. What more do you want?

[mcaj22]

You really have a problem with this offensive line? It needs to be tweaked, not overhauled.

We've got bookend tackles FFS. What more do you want?

right now you have 1 bookend tackle under contract with no crystal ball to say otherwise.

in a month or two the picture will become much more clearer obviously, but if there season started tomorrow, there are clearly holes. You have to see what they do with Albert before people start bragging about the o-line like it's actually in tact. Same with WR.

[Setsuna]

Manuel is a wimp.

[RealSNR]

Manuel is a wimp.

You could be so awesome if you would just put down the Tyler Bray crackpipe...

[Bump]

Seattle found a QB in round three last year.

so that must mean that there will always be a QB in the 3rd round that's going to be awesome. :rolleyes:

[keg in kc]

What is telling is that Andy Reid doesn't think that much of Geno Smith. That seems like the elephant in the room.Andy Reid probably doesn't know anything about him at this point. He was running the Eagles throughout the college season, and he's been spending every minute of the current offseason here in KC working on his new staff and learning about the Chiefs roster.

If Andy Reid doesn't think that much of Geno Smith at the end of March, then there's an elephant in the room.

[DLand21]

This, but I prefer Barkley.

Ha. Barkley. USC quarterbacks have a terrible rep in NFL. After he shat the bed this year, why would anyone want him?

[Hoover]

I'm an offensive line homer, but I concur with everything Saccopoo has said.

I'm firmly in the Geno Smith camp and will be disappointed if the Chiefs go in a different direction. We have a lot of things in place. We can address other areas of need in FA and the rest of the draft. We need to invest in a QB and have an incredible opportunity to do so with the 1st pick in the draft. Do it.

I'm a little concerned that the Jets might be reading this and offer Saccopoo their GM spot. I hear they are open to anybody.

[Chiefnj2]

Manuel is more Joe Webb than he is Russell Wilson.

[Bump]

Geno or DIE

[Bump]

anything at this point is pretty irrelevant. It's all speculation. When the combine starts, coaches will be completely blown away by Geno Smith and he will then be the clear cut #1 option.

[nychief]

I think sooo much can change between now and the draft, there is no need to get worked up about all these hints about what they are going to do. I think they're simply not telegraphing their moves...by saying "we are going QB 1" If Reid goes to the senior bowl/combine and falls in love with some guy, I he'll get him...

[BigMeatballDave]

right now you have 1 bookend tackle under contract with no crystal ball to say otherwise.

in a month or two the picture will become much more clearer obviously, but if there season started tomorrow, there are clearly holes. You have to see what they do with Albert before people start bragging about the o-line like it's actually in tact. Same with WR.

It's not complicated though. Just sign. You act like we have to search for a new LT. The guy is there. Sign him and move on to something else.

[Titty Meat]

Geno has the higher upside but I think Wilson might be the better qb right now.

[patteeu]

Ding ding!

Who is the mystery player that any team would step up to the #1 pick for in this draft and give away the farm to do so? Not going to happen.

This actually seems like a good year to find someone wanting to trade up. There's a single LT and a single DT who look like they are the best available at their position by far. Any team looking for either of those positions could be tempted to trade up to make sure they got their guy.

Edit: Oh, btw, the "mystery player[s]" are Luke Joeckel (LT) and Star Lotulelei (DT)

[Setsuna]

You could be so awesome if you would just put down the Tyler Bray crackpipe...

But, but...

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[patteeu]

I'm not against trading back a little if we deemed two QB's equal. The likelihood one will be there is very high.

With that said I don't see a player out there that teams will be dying to trade up for?

The top of the draft is filled with DT's and DE's.... unless someone was desperate for Joeckel?

Who are the other DTs filling the top of the draft besides Star Lotulelei? I've seen Sheldon Richardson mentioned in a few places, but most of the stuff I've read has Lotulelei standing alone.

[duncan_idaho]

I think Lotuleilei is not that separated from Hankings, Floyd, and Richardson (I might be forgetting someone).

DT is actually pretty deep in this draft.

[Gravedigger]

When was the last time someone traded out of the 1 spot. This is a fishing lure designed to see what we could catch gentlemen.

[htismaqe]

Star Lotulelei isn't going to play nose tackle in the 3-4 anyway. Did we learn nothing from Tyson Jackson?

[ChiefSuspect]

There's a million "reports" every single day about everything under the sun. It's all meaningless.

[The Franchise]

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[BossChief]

Clark is a fan. And I wouldn't believe anything that anybody says this soon before the draft.

Has a team holding the top pick, that needed a qb DESPERATELY, ever came out and said they would trade the pick? There is NO CHANCE Clark made his comments based on his own evaluations of the college quarterbacks...he has been told what he knows.

Things might change, but right now these guys don't think there is a qb worth the top pick and it makes me sick.

[BossChief]

Andy Reid probably doesn't know anything about him at this point. He was running the Eagles throughout the college season, and he's been spending every minute of the current offseason here in KC working on his new staff and learning about the Chiefs roster.

If Andy Reid doesn't think that much of Geno Smith at the end of March, then there's an elephant in the room.

Dorsey has made comments about the qb crop...Hunt has made comments about the lacking quality of this qb crop and how the team will be open to trade up offers.

I know things can change drastically, but there would be no point in making those statements under false pretenses BECAUSE WE HAVE THE TOP PICK.

[Fat Elvis]

Has a team holding the top pick, that needed a qb DESPERATELY, ever came out and said they would trade the pick? There is NO CHANCE Clark made his comments based on his own evaluations of the college quarterbacks...he has been told what he knows.

Things might change, but right now these guys don't think there is a qb worth the top pick and it makes me sick.

You and me both.

[htismaqe]

Has a team holding the top pick, that needed a qb DESPERATELY, ever came out and said they would trade the pick? There is NO CHANCE Clark made his comments based on his own evaluations of the college quarterbacks...he has been told what he knows.

Things might change, but right now these guys don't think there is a qb worth the top pick and it makes me sick.

They just started. Be patient.

[BossChief]

They just started. Be patient.

I'm trying...I'm also not gonna cover my ears and say lalalalala over and over and ignore the obvious...which is that before interviews and workouts, these guys don't think Geno (or another qb) is worth the top pick.

I'm disappointed is all.

[The Franchise]

People aren't happy unless there is something to freak out about.

[FringeNC]

Dorsey has made comments about the qb crop...Hunt has made comments about the lacking quality of this qb crop and how the team will be open to trade up offers.

I know things can change drastically, but there would be no point in making those statements under false pretenses BECAUSE WE HAVE THE TOP PICK.

Yep, if it's going to QB at #1, at some point we will start hearing chatter about who they like. No point in hiding it really because do teams trade into the #1 position if there is no elite QB to take? We going to be drafting at #1 almost certainly, at this point, I don't think they plan on taking Smith, but of course that can change if Smith or whatever QB wows them at the combine.

btw, from the point of view of attempting to maximize any possible trade value of the pick, they should TALKING UP how great this year's crop of QBs are, shouldn't they?

[ChiefSuspect]

I firmly believe Andy Reid is one of the greatest offensive minds in the history of the game. I have full confidence in him to find the right personnel and put them in positions to make plays. We're fine there.

[crossbow]

Pre-draft smoke screens and bull shit. I would like to sell a 1987 volkswagon for $45,000 but thats a dream too. Really, NFL predraft is worse then a presidential election...everybody is full of it.

[BossChief]

People aren't happy unless there is something to freak out about.

Nobody is "freaking out"

Just some of us choose not to have our head in the sand regarding the biggest decision this team has to make in the last 30 years and the decision makers eluding to the fact we might not take advantage of the opportunity AGAIN.

Dorsey CLEARLY said we will take BPA
Clark said he is open to trading the pick and didn't sound confident in the qb class.

I've said ALL ALONG, going back to a few days after the KSt game that Genos stock would skyrocket after the combine and interviews, but I didn't expect these types of direct comments to be made at this point.

[BossChief]

Yep, if it's going to QB at #1, at some point we will start hearing chatter about who they like. No point in hiding it really because do teams trade into the #1 position if there is no elite QB to take? We going to be drafting at #1 almost certainly, at this point, I don't think they plan on taking Smith, but of course that can change if Smith or whatever QB wows them at the combine.

btw, from the point of view of attempting to maximize any possible trade value of the pick, they should TALKING UP how great this year's crop of QBs are, shouldn't they?Exactly.

[O.city]

Nobody is "freaking out"

Just some of us choose not to have our head in the sand regarding the biggest decision this team has to make in the last 30 years and the decision makers eluding to the fact we might not take advantage of the opportunity AGAIN.

Dorsey CLEARLY said we will take BPA
Clark said he is open to trading the pick and didn't sound confident in the qb class.

I've said ALL ALONG, going back to a few days after the KSt game that Genos stock would skyrocket after the combine and interviews, but I didn't expect these types of direct comments to be made at this point.

I think positional value will go in to selecting BPA.

[mcaj22]

It's not complicated though. Just sign. You act like we have to search for a new LT. The guy is there. Sign him and move on to something else.

you do realize crazier things have happened right lol

[whoman69]

It's not complicated though. Just sign. You act like we have to search for a new LT. The guy is there. Sign him and move on to something else.

So you think this is a ploy to get Albert signed?

[Cephalic Trauma]

Hunt makes all the calls. He's the owner. Dumb post.

Dorsey said yesterday "Who makes the calls? I do." when addressing that point which is what I think that poster in referring to.

[DaneMcCloud]

So you think this is a ploy to get Albert signed?

That would be ridiculous considering the Chiefs could just tag him.

[DaneMcCloud]

It's not complicated though. Just sign. You act like we have to search for a new LT. The guy is there. Sign him and move on to something else.

I'd only sign him if he checks out medically, which at this point, isn't an absolutely certainty.

[O.city]

Seems as though Albert is the perfect candidate for the Tag.

[DaneMcCloud]

Seems as though Albert is the perfect candidate for the Tag.

Yes and no.

If he's tagged, you're paying him more than he's worth. If he's not tagged, the Chiefs likely have a big hole to fill.

[O.city]

Yes and no.

If he's tagged, you're paying him more than he's worth. If he's not tagged, the Chiefs likely have a big hole to fill.

Yeah, probably.


In terms of finding out his health, the tag seems like a good idea, if you wanna wait it out.

[patteeu]

Nobody is "freaking out"...

:spock: This board is filled with people freaking out.

[DeezNutz]

I don't give a fuck what Dorsey says about BPA. That's rhetorical bullshit, spewed by someone who clearly has little experience in front of a microphone.

I hope he's a nice guy, but he looked/sounded very unpolished yesterday. No biggie. We hope he grows into this portion of the job, which is clearly the least important on his plate; Reid will be the face and voice of this franchise from this point forward, and if Andy's fired, Dorsey will be out, too.

That said, no one sticks to BPA completely, as Dorsey suggested yesterday.

Hypothetically, let's say the Chiefs are drafting 8th one year and as players come off the board, the next highest rated player on KC's board is a guard. They taking a guard #8 overall? Yeah, right.

[BossChief]

Deez, the thing tht scares me a bit is them having Starlite graded at a 95 and the highest qb graded at a 89.

If it was my decision, I'd re-sign Dorsey to a reasonable deal...that crosses Star off the list because he isn't a good pass rusher and is pretty much a run defender. Sound familiar?

Re-sign Albert, he is just as good as Joeckel but has shown the ability to play at a high level in the NFL using multiple techniques. That crosses off two failed picks.

GO GET US A QUARTERBACK!

[DeezNutz]

Deez, the thing tht scares me a bit is them having Starlite graded at a 95 and the highest qb graded at a 89.

If it was my decision, I'd re-sign Dorsey to a reasonable deal...that crosses Star off the list because he isn't a good pass rusher and is pretty much a run defender. Sound familiar?

Re-sign Albert, he is just as good as Joeckel but has shown the ability to play at a high level in the NFL using multiple techniques. That crosses off two failed picks.

GO GET US A QUARTERBACK!

If they have a QB graded that high, it's a no-brainer because of positional value. Now, if the highest QB is a 75 in your hypothetical, then I understand passing.

[Chief Roundup]

A team traded up for Tannehill. Think about that.

No the Dolphins did not. He was there when it was their original pick.

[warpaint*]

Meh. Saying you are "willing" doesn't mean

1. you are going to
2. or that you're even likely to necessarily

It just means that other teams shouldn't be discouraged from calling you.
Never know, someone might offer more than we can refuse.

All things being equal the Chiefs haven't drafted a QB in the 1r in 30 years. That is not a coincidence w/ respect to our failings for the better part of 40 years to find a franchise QB. It is my hope that they like one of these QBs enough to draft him 1st overall and give it a go. That said none of them are a sure thing and if say whomever's drafting 5th calls up and offers all their picks this yr and a 1st the next two years to move up 4 spots that'd be too much to turn down. Obviously that's not happening I am just saying it never hurts to listen b/c you never know how far the other guy is willing to go.

[duncan_idaho]

Does anyone really think Lutuleilei is going to grade out at 95? I mean, are their "Experts" saying that? I Know McShay is pushing that he's going to somehow develop into a better pass rusher/backfield disruptor in the NFL than he was against lesser competition, but really...

I don't think anyone in this draft grades out that high.

I'd expect Lutuleilei and Joeckel to be somewhere around 83-85 and the top QB (Who I think will be Geno) to be 78-79.

In that case, I take a QB at 79 over a DT at 85 or a LT at 83 all day long.

[prhom]

I think the 5-10 picks are going to have a lot more teams interested in trading than 1-4. The teams that are going to want to trade up are going to be picking after 15 and the teams in the top spots would want too much to move that far back. Obviously, we'll see after the senior bowl and combine, but seems there aren't as many big time prospects this year.

Is Joeckel worth that much more than the next LT on the board that someone will give up next years first for him? Doubt it.

[BigRedChief]

That said, no one sticks to BPA completely, as Dorsey suggested yesterday.

Hypothetically, let's say the Chiefs are drafting 8th one year and as players come off the board, the next highest rated player on KC's board is a guard. They taking a guard #8 overall? Yeah, right.BPA that we need? The Packers have doubled up on picks that they didn't really need because it was the BPA. They then traded or let one walk etc.

We just have to trust that Andy Reid will demand a top filght NFL QB. He will make it happen. It's history and a core part of his offense. It will happen.

I'm not going to get all upset because I trust Reid will get us a QOTF.

[DeezNutz]

Does anyone really think Lutuleilei is going to grade out at 95? I mean, are their "Experts" saying that? I Know McShay is pushing that he's going to somehow develop into a better pass rusher/backfield disruptor in the NFL than he was against lesser competition, but really...

I don't think anyone in this draft grades out that high.

I'd expect Lutuleilei and Joeckel to be somewhere around 83-85 and the top QB (Who I think will be Geno) to be 78-79.

In that case, I take a QB at 79 over a DT at 85 or a LT at 83 all day long.

Yes. All day, yes.

BPA that we need? The Packers have doubled up on picks that they didn't really need because it was the BPA. They then traded or let one walk etc.

We just have to trust that Andy Reid will demand a top filght NFL QB. He will make it happen. It's history and a core part of his offense. It will happen.

I'm not going to get all upset because I trust Reid will get us a QOTF.

After cleaning up after Pioli's upper decker, I don't trust anyone. I am, however, very hopeful based on Reid's history with QBs, and I do believe that he understands the importance of the position.

I don't think he subscribes to the "Right 53" bullshit. In hindsight, we should have realized how fucked we were when Pioli said "team" 8,000 times in his initial presser.