Joe flacco

[farmerchief]

Flacco looks pretty impressive tonight. He has really picked it up the past few games. I wonder which of the new group of QB's coming in the draft, most resemble his game?

[RealSNR]

All the white ones

[BossChief]

Glennon.

[milkman]

All the white ones

/end thread.

[chiefzilla1501]

Mental attitude aside, Tyler Bray is a very similar QB.

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

Zorn moved into Joe's apartment over the garage on New Year's Day.

[Hammock Parties]

http://i.imgur.com/uQoXm.jpg

[Bump]

JFC

[Dayze]

he's gong to get PAID in the off season.

[In58men]

We want everyone's QB lol.

[Scorp]

I will be so damn happy when this draft is over.

[Dayze]

I'll give you a 3rd rounder for your hapiness;.

[Red Dawg]

All the white ones

Haha. Classic.

[Red Dawg]

http://i.imgur.com/uQoXm.jpg

Nice.

[boogblaster]

turned into decent QB .. he'll get his contract and money .....

[ChiefRocka]

Speaking specifically to last night's performance. Was Flacco that good or did Boldin make some godly catches over a backup CB?

[ChiefMojo]

This is why I want a QB with the #1 pick. Flacco wasn't some savior coming out of college. He had good measurables but needed coaching up. The last couple of years he has now started to become that franchise QB for the Ravens. I see multiple QB's in this draft class that are in the same talent sphere as Flacco coming out. Flacco's #1 plus is his rocket arm.

[loochy]

FLACKO IS GOOD WE SHOULD TRADE CASSEL FOR HIM AND WE CAN DRAFT JOCKITCH AT #1

[chiefzilla1501]

Speaking specifically to last night's performance. Was Flacco that good or did Boldin make some godly catches over a backup CB?

I thought Flacco was solid enough and got a few really lucky breaks against Denver. Against New England, he was flat out spectacular.

[Dave Lane]

Contract year.

[Bump]

Speaking specifically to last night's performance. Was Flacco that good or did Boldin make some godly catches over a backup CB?

he put it exactly where it needed to be for Boldin to make the catches in somewhat tight coverage.

[Ace Gunner]

Moxy
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/picture.php?albumid=122&pictureid=1265

[Mile High Mania]

I don't know why so many people dislike the guy. Is he one of the greatest playing today or ever? No on both counts, but he's really good. The Ravens have a very nice team and Flacco is coming into his own, so yeah - he's going to get paid and he's earned it.

5 years in the league and 5 trips to the playoffs.
54-26 as a starter in the regular season.
8-4 playoff record. Lost the AFCW Title game in 2011, won it in 2012.

The guy has played really well and has some things to accomplish before he approaches Eli and Ben status, but he is far from horrible.

[lcarus]

I don't know why so many people dislike the guy. Is he one of the greatest playing today or ever? No on both counts, but he's really good. The Ravens have a very nice team and Flacco is coming into his own, so yeah - he's going to get paid and he's earned it.

5 years in the league and 5 trips to the playoffs.
54-26 as a starter in the regular season.
8-4 playoff record. Lost the AFCW Title game in 2011, won it in 2012.

The guy has played really well and has some things to accomplish before he approaches Eli and Ben status, but he is far from horrible.

Not to mention...this would be the 2nd year in a row he got his team to the Super Bowl if not for Lee Evans dropping that pass, or possibly if the kicker didn't shank that game tying FG.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000129386/article/joe-flaccos-postseason-could-put-him-in-great-company?campaign=Twitter_atl

It's amazing what a good playoff run can do for your reputation.

On New Year's Day, Joe Flacco was a good, not great, quarterback whose struggles away from home during the regular season made him a potential postseason liability for the Baltimore Ravens.

Fast forward three weeks. The Ravens have won three straight games, two in frigid and hostile road conditions. In those wins, Flacco has outplayed Andrew Luck, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.

Flacco has thrown eight touchdowns without an interception in the playoffs. According to the NFL Media research department, every quarterback that's thrown eight touchdown passes or more without an interception has won the Super Bowl and taken Super Bowl MVP honors.

The complete list: Joe Montana, 1989 (11 TDs), Steve Young, 1994 (9 TDs), Phil Simms, 1986 (8 TDs), Troy Aikman, 1992 (8 TDs) and Drew Brees, 2009 (8 TDs). Flacco is one killer performance away from some very impressive company.

[Hammock Parties]

If he wins the SB, Flacco is basically following the same career path Eli Manning did at this point. I think he's going to be one of the greats before it's all over. Not top 5 or anything but definitely in the Troy Aikman-Jim Kelly-Phil Simms class.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

If he wins the SB, Flacco is basically following the same career path Eli Manning did at this point. I think he's going to be one of the greats before it's all over. Not top 5 or anything but definitely in the Troy Aikman-Jim Kelly-Phil Simms class.

:eek: Wow! That's a pretty bold prediction. He'll be signed long term, big fucking bucks at this point. That's about as bold as I'm going.

[Hammock Parties]

Eh, I've liked him for three years now. The fact he's done so well without top talent at WR really speaks well as he's now entering his prime years.

[Ace Gunner]

I like his unibrow :)

[The Bad Guy]

turned into decent QB .. he'll get his contract and money .....

Decent QB?

He's way beyond a decent QB.

[GoChargers]

Flacco's elite, not sure how anyone can dispute that at this point.

[keg in kc]

Flacco's elite, not sure how anyone can dispute that at this point.Two months ago people were talking about how they wouldn't take him if he was available next offseason. I wasn't one of them, but it's amazing how the tide has turned.

[Sorter]

We're beginning to see the transition from the old guard (Brady, Manning, Brees, Rivers, etc) to the new guard (Flacco, Kaep, Ryan, Wilson, etc).

[O.city]

Career path seems alot like Eli's. Yeah, I'd def. take him.

[O.city]

We're beginning to see the transition from the old guard (Brady, Manning, Brees, Rivers, etc) to the new guard (Flacco, Kaep, Ryan, Wilson, etc).

Geno?

[Sorter]

Geno?

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_majujf6FwN1ro2d43.gif

[crossbow]

I don't know why so many people dislike the guy. Is he one of the greatest playing today or ever? No on both counts, but he's really good. The Ravens have a very nice team and Flacco is coming into his own, so yeah - he's going to get paid and he's earned it.


That is easy to figure out. We hate all of the other team's quarterbacks because we are jealous. We pine for our own QB and they won't give us one. Well, it could also be jealousy bordering on rage.

[Chiefshrink]

I don't know why so many people dislike the guy. Is he one of the greatest playing today or ever? No on both counts, but he's really good. The Ravens have a very nice team and Flacco is coming into his own, so yeah - he's going to get paid and he's earned it.

5 years in the league and 5 trips to the playoffs.
54-26 as a starter in the regular season.
8-4 playoff record. Lost the AFCW Title game in 2011, won it in 2012.

The guy has played really well and has some things to accomplish before he approaches Eli and Ben status, but he is far from horrible.

Totally get your point but let's face it Von Miller and Broncs D line were no where to be found last week and this weekend was the same from the Pats. Hell you give a big arm like that a ton of time he will eat you alive. That will change in the SB and dollars to donuts Flacco goes back to sh**ting his pants just like he always does when there is a decent pass rush on him. I will change my mind about Flacco IF handles the pass rush and wins.

Until then he is still a 5 o'oclock hitter in my mind. Had the Ravens lost their wildcard game Flacco would be getting axed. Flacco had to redeem himself since he was the one who actually got Cam fired because he was walking a very thin line all season(fans & FO) in Baltimore up to that point with subpar performance whether people realized it or not. So far it has benefited Flacco having no pass rush on him BUT we will see IF he can handle SF.

[The Bad Guy]

Geno?

No, not Geno.

Not in January of 2013. For christ sake let him play a down before you want to lump him into any group - especially those who are becoming NFL stud QBs.

[O.city]

I wasn't being serious there.

[TheGuardian]

Two months ago people were talking about how they wouldn't take him if he was available next offseason. I wasn't one of them, but it's amazing how the tide has turned.

You gotta remember this board was declaring that Alex Smith was a franchise QB last year because of a few good plays against a shitty Saints defense.

Flacco isn't elite, but he's having a hell of a nice run in a contract year.

[crispystl]

They can keep him as far as I'm concerned.

[TheGuardian]

Matt Ryan is also not a "new guard" QB. That guy is a major choke artist.

[The Bad Guy]

They can keep him as far as I'm concerned.

Yeah, who wants a QB that consistently wins in the playoffs anyway?

[crispystl]

Yeah, who wants a QB that consistently wins in the playoffs anyway?

Shoot for the moon not the horizon. Do you want to pay Flacco the money to come here? Seriously? If so be my fucking guest. He's overrated and you know it.

[crispystl]

Matt Ryan is also not a "new guard" QB. That guy is a major choke artist.

Exactly Ryan = Flacco = mediocre

[The Bad Guy]

You gotta remember this board was declaring that Alex Smith was a franchise QB last year because of a few good plays against a shitty Saints defense.

Flacco isn't elite, but he's having a hell of a nice run in a contract year.

The elite discussion has to be revisited then.

What makes them elite? Stats? the ability to bring teams back in big games?

If the criteria is big inflated numbers, then no, Flacco isn't elite.

However, if it's winning in the playoffs and coming back in those playoffs, then yes, he's an elite QB.

He's a Lee Evans and/or Cundiff kick away from going to the SB in back to back years. He beat Andrew Luck, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady in 3 straight weeks.

[The Bad Guy]

Exactly Ryan = Flacco = mediocre

You're out of your fucking mind.

[The Bad Guy]

Shoot for the moon not the horizon. Do you want to pay Flacco the money to come here? Seriously? If so be my ****ing guest. He's overrated and you know it.

Just so I can continue laughing, please tell me how he's overrated when there's morons like you everywhere that hate on him.

[Sorter]

Matt Ryan is also not a "new guard" QB. That guy is a major choke artist.

He looked pretty solid in the first half of both his playoff games. Playcalling really restricted him IMO.

[The Bad Guy]

He looked pretty solid in the first half of both his playoff games. Playcalling really restricted him IMO.

No, that just can't be. He has to be mediocre.

I'd love to know the scoring matrix for grading these QBs from these blind fuckers.

[Sorter]

No, that just can't be. He has to be mediocre.

I'd love to know the scoring matrix for grading these QBs from these blind ****ers.

ROFL.

[Sorter]

No, that just can't be. He has to be mediocre.

I'd love to know the scoring matrix for grading these QBs from these blind ****ers.

Dirk stole my smash concept in the 1st game. Should have used it in the 2nd game, stupid fucking bastard. LMAO

[crispystl]

Just so I can continue laughing, please tell me how he's overrated when there's morons like you everywhere that hate on him.

You'd rather have him than Ryan? You'd rather pay him than draft a qb? You don't think he's overrated? Honest questions. C'mon man I'm not attacking you dude just asking.

[crispystl]

Him and Ryan are a wash IMOP

[crispystl]

You're out of your ****ing mind.

Well in all honesty I am drunk

[Hammock Parties]

Flacco doesn't have big numbers because the Ravens don't throw it as much as other teams. They can't, because their OL is not great from a pass blocking standpoint.

If he played behind Brady's line he'd have huge numbers.

[The Bad Guy]

You'd rather have him than Ryan? You'd rather pay him than draft a qb? You don't think he's overrated? Honest questions. C'mon man I'm not attacking you dude just asking.

How can a guy who wins in the playoffs this much be overrated?

He's gone to the playoffs every single year he's been in the league. The team has transitioned from a defensive powerhouse to an offensive team this year.

They still win. The constant is Flacco.

I would rather Flacco than Ryan. Flacco is a clutch QB. That's not to say that I don't love Ryan though.

If he came available, with this coaching staff, then yes, I'd say pay him. He's still young at 28 and I think his best football is still ahead of him.

[The Bad Guy]

Well in all honesty I am drunk

Ok then there's hope tomorrow.

[crispystl]

How can a guy who wins in the playoffs this much be overrated?

He's gone to the playoffs every single year he's been in the league. The team has transitioned from a defensive powerhouse to an offensive team this year.

They still win. The constant is Flacco.

I would rather Flacco than Ryan. Flacco is a clutch QB. That's not to say that I don't love Ryan though.

If he came available, with this coaching staff, then yes, I'd say pay him. He's still young at 28 and I think his best football is still ahead of him.

That's totally fair. Point taken.

[BossChief]

Flacco is a winner. I don't think there is another QB that has as many regular or post season wins since he as been a starter.

[Sorter]

Flacco doesn't have big numbers because the Ravens don't throw it as much as other teams. They can't, because their OL is not great from a pass blocking standpoint.

If he played behind Brady's line he'd have huge numbers.

Notonly did they not throw it as much but Cameron's scheme didn't emphasize high % throws. He emphasized getting yards in chunks which explains Flacco's poor comp% throughout his career IMO *not this year's PO)

[Hammock Parties]

Flacco is a winner. I don't think there is another QB that has as many regular or post season wins since he as been a starter.

His playoff success is probably overrated because of Baltimore's defense, but last week kind of destroyed that argument.

[mcaj22]

His playoff success is probably overrated because of Baltimore's defense, but last week kind of destroyed that argument.

last week? what about this entire 3 game playoff sample

114.7 QB Rating
51-93
853 yards
8 touchdowns
0 picks
throws of 50, 70 and 26 as his longest passes in all three games

so hes not just even making his bread and butter off dinking and dunking, hes beating teams in the playoffs with his arm strength

[Hammock Parties]

Yeah but Baltimore's defense has played extremely well throughout his playoff career. I mean he won a playoff game where he threw for 34 yards.

Last week against Denver was the first time he really had to go win a game. I suppose you could say he did that had it not been for the drop/missed FG last year against NE.

Just tempering the FlaccoBJ a bit.

[BryanBusby]

Flacco starts playing well after the Ravens dump a overrated, stupid offensive coordinator and a new one gets adjusted in the new role. What a coincidence.

Cam Cameron sucked.

[Chiefshrink]

The elite discussion has to be revisited then.

What makes them elite? Stats? the ability to bring teams back in big games?

If the criteria is big inflated numbers, then no, Flacco isn't elite.

However, if it's winning in the playoffs and coming back in those playoffs, then yes, he's an elite QB.

He's a Lee Evans and/or Cundiff kick away from going to the SB in back to back years. He beat Andrew Luck, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady in 3 straight weeks.

You make good points on the surface but Colts, Broncs and Pats = NO PASS RUSH and go back and look at all his playoff wins prior to this year and look at who he beat or his D beat ? Chiefs were one of them.. :doh!: An elite pass rush is coming in 2 weeks and like I said, IF he wins against the niners I will change my mind.

[Rausch]

To me "clutch" and "elite" are the same thing.

If you can be depended on to make the plays that win games and you consistently do then you're "elite."

That definition works for K, QB, WR, or any defensive player.

When you're put in the position to make a play than can win the game how often do you?

That decides who's "elite."

[The Bad Guy]

You make good points on the surface but Colts, Broncs and Pats = NO PASS RUSH and go back and look at all his playoff wins prior to this year and look at who he beat or his D beat ? Chiefs were one of them.. :doh!: An elite pass rush is coming in 2 weeks and like I said, IF he wins against the niners I will change my mind.

The 49ers haven't been able to sniff the QB this playoffs with their pass rush. Aldon Smith has been invisible.

The Broncos have a comparable pass rush to anyone in the league. They have 2 elite rush ends.

People just keep wanting to change the criteria. Nevermind that he's lead his team back in 2 straight playoff games on the road against really good QBs. Now it's a "he didn't face a pass rush"

Get lost with this nonsense.

He's as clutch as any QB in this league.

[Deberg_1990]

To me "clutch" and "elite" are the same thing.

If you can be depended on to make the plays that win games and you consistently do then you're "elite."

That definition works for K, QB, WR, or any defensive player.

When you're put in the position to make a play than can win the game how often do you?

That decides who's "elite."

This^^


Its not about how many yards you throw. Teams pass so much in todays game, its dumb to judge a guy based on yards. Lots of guys throw for yards.

Flacco is a guy who just was able to slowly develop over time. His first 3 years in the playoffs he was viewed as an underachiever. Hes grown into a leader and elite playmaker.

[TEX]

This^^


Its not about how many yards you throw. Teams pass so much in todays game, its dumb to judge a guy based on yards. Lots of guys throw for yards.

Flacco is a guy who just was able to slowly develop over time. His first 3 years in the playoffs he was viewed as an underachiever. Hes grown into a leader and elite playmaker.

This.

[GoChargers]

Shoot for the moon not the horizon. Do you want to pay Flacco the money to come here? Seriously? If so be my fucking guest. He's overrated and you know it.

This year, he outplayed Luck, Peyton, and Brady in the playoffs on his way to the Super Bowl. Last year, he outplayed Brady and had a strong performance against the Texans' 3rd-ranked passing defense in the playoffs. All the while, people like you have called him a soft system game-manager who won't win anything. REAL overrated.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

FLACKO IS GOOD WE SHOULD TRADE CASSEL FOR HIM AND WE CAN DRAFT JOCKITCH AT #1

LMAO

[Ebolapox]

You're out of your ****ing mind.

chiefs fans are weird when it comes to QBs. they're never good enough for us. it's funny, we've had enough shitty ones over the last 50+ years that you'd think they'd WELCOME a good to great QB that wins in the playoffs

[Easy 6]

Last week really forced me to round the corner in my views on the unibrowed one, its like it really all started to come together for him this last month.

Consider my take on him thoroughly revised.

[Molitoth]

I'm starting to come around on Flacco. It's hard to argue his results.

[O.city]

Evan Silva ‏@evansilva
NFLN's Ian Rapoport on Joe Flacco contract status: "His camp believes he is playing better than Peyton Manning." Peyton makes $19.2M a year.

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

There is another starting QB that looks more like a serial killer and his time for ridicule is at hand. Matt Schaub

[Easy 6]

Evan Silva ‏@evansilva
NFLN's Ian Rapoport on Joe Flacco contract status: "His camp believes he is playing better than Peyton Manning." Peyton makes $19.2M a year.

Its easy to say that since his team has progressed farther into the playoffs... but realistically, he didnt seem to wake up until the last month, last two of regular season and then playoffs.

No team is going to give him Manning money until he's able to shine across a full season... he impressed me and changed my tune about him, but its still based on a small body of work.

He wont get 19, i'm guessing Newsome will offer him 13-15 and he'll take it to stay with the ravens, he'd be a fool not to.

[The Bad Guy]

Its easy to say that since his team has progressed farther into the playoffs... but realistically, he didnt seem to wake up until the last month, last two of regular season and then playoffs.

No team is going to give him Manning money until he's able to shine across a full season... he impressed me and changed my tune about him, but its still based on a small body of work.

He wont get 19, i'm guessing Newsome will offer him 13-15 and he'll take it to stay with the ravens, he'd be a fool not to.

He'd be a god damn fool to take 13 million.

I don't care that he's not an outstanding regular season QB. He's an outstanding clutch QB and this Ravens team is his team. Make no mistake about that.

He should ask for 20 million a year.

[RUSH]

Its easy to say that since his team has progressed farther into the playoffs... but realistically, he didnt seem to wake up until the last month, last two of regular season and then playoffs.

No team is going to give him Manning money until he's able to shine across a full season... he impressed me and changed my tune about him, but its still based on a small body of work.

He wont get 19, i'm guessing Newsome will offer him 13-15 and he'll take it to stay with the ravens, he'd be a fool not to.

Why would he a fool not to?

If the Ravens don't want to pay him then someone else will. You're underestimating the value of QB's.

I don't personally believe he's worth a huge contract but the shortage of good QB's in this league and the amount of playoff success he has had gives him all the leverage in this negotiation.

He won't play under the franchise tag and that would be a PR disaster if he winds up sitting out a year removed from the Super Bowl. Especially if they end up winning it all.

[O.city]

I would hope they would pay him. If the Chiefs draft Geno and he does what Flacco has done, we better damn well back the truck up to his house.

[Easy 6]

He'd be a god damn fool to take 13 million.

I don't care that he's not an outstanding regular season QB. He's an outstanding clutch QB and this Ravens team is his team. Make no mistake about that.

He should ask for 20 million a year.

Yeah ok, 13 is lowball... but i'll stick with 15-16.

I totally agree that he has been clutch, leading shocking comebacks on a team that, outside of his arm and Torrey Smith, isnt built for quick strike/come from behind magic.

But to get more than a HOF guy who had some amazing stats, based on a small sample of games? I just cant see Newsome giving him that yet.

Could be wrong, we'll see.

[O.city]

Well, TBH, the Manning thing is kinda bs. He shouldn't be getting that much, he's being paid for what he's done. Not as much for what he can do.


Thats the thing with Flacco. You are somewhat rewarding what he's done, but you are really paying for what you hope to get in the future. If he continues his upswing, he woudl absolutely be worth that.

[Easy 6]

Well, TBH, the Manning thing is kinda bs. He shouldn't be getting that much, he's being paid for what he's done. Not as much for what he can do.


Thats the thing with Flacco. You are somewhat rewarding what he's done, but you are really paying for what you hope to get in the future. If he continues his upswing, he woudl absolutely be worth that.

True, smellway overpaid for him to win the sweepstakes.

If Flacco continues to trend upward, hell yeah he's worth 20 mill... he has the potential to be a ruthlessraper with better accuracy on the long ball.