There is no reason for a prolonged rebuilding process in the NFL

[Deberg_1990]

The 49ers proved it. From 2003 to 2010 they were 46-82. Last two seasons: 24-7-1 with obvious playoff wins and a SB appearance.

Hire the right people, stack your team in the right positions. let them roll.


Obvious thread is obvious......

[DC.chief]

The season the colts and skins had this year is reason for optimism for us. Of course we aren't going to have Luck or RGIII, but Geno 'chocolate thunder nuts' Smith will suffice. He's got the tools to be an elite QB anyways. And we have more talent on our roster than the colts imo. I probably shouldn't be... but i'm expecting a quick turn around.

[FlaChief58]

The season the colts and skins had this year is reason for optimism for us. Of course we aren't going to have Luck or RGIII, but Geno 'chocolate thunder nuts' Smith will suffice. He's got the tools to be an elite QB anyways. And we have more talent on our roster than the colts imo. I probably shouldn't be... but i'm expecting a quick turn around.

We are the Chiefs, hope for the best and expect the worst

[Chiefs=Champions]

Shows exactly why good quarterback play is a must imo.

[chefs fan in omaha]

Chiefs make the Super Bowl next year, bank it!

[Deberg_1990]

Shows exactly why good quarterback play is a must imo.

Ironically, if we follow the Niners model, we keep Cassel, Reid coaches him up and he drafts a high 2nd round QB. : )

[Rambozo]

Don't get your hopes up. We are missing several pieces and it usually takes time. Especially when you start a rookie QB. Last year was the exception imo.

Remember...

Dorsey said, "I am going to do everything within my God-given ability that we have as competitive as a team in the NFL as anyone in the NFL. I want to remind them. Please be patient. This is not a sprint. It is a marathon."

and

Reid said, "Before I interviewed with the Chiefs, I looked at every snap from every [Kansas City] game this year. Special teams were average. The talent overall, it looked to me like they were transitioning from an older team to a younger one. And I thought, 'With a couple, three drafts, very good things can happen here."

Expect this to take some time. We are picking first for a reason and it's not just because of the QB.

[DC.chief]

Ironically, if we follow the Niners model, we keep Cassel, Reid coaches him up and he drafts a high 2nd round QB. : )

True.. damn I hope not. I think thats very unlikely myself. I'm going to be more positive about this team though and have faith in our new coach/gm to get us to right people. They are the professionals and have a proven record of success. I want Geno at #1 but if they get Joekel and a QB in the 2nd I'll still stand behind them.

[mdchiefsfan]

The 49ers, to me, illustrated the importance of a HC. Singletary had a beast of a team, but couldn't put the pieces together. Harbaugh came in and got the offense clicking with the defense without adding many new parts to the team.

[Chiefs=Champions]

Ironically, if we follow the Niners model, we keep Cassel, Reid coaches him up and he drafts a high 2nd round QB. : )

I know you probably aren't serious but ill address this anyway. Incorrect. We coach up the number one overall pick into playing at a top 15 level. Cassel is not capable of this and it was only when they had good qb play that they were able to make that jump.

[Chiefs=Champions]

True.. damn I hope not. I think thats very unlikely myself. I'm going to be more positive about this team though and have faith in our new coach/gm to get us to right people. They are the professionals and have a proven record of success. I want Geno at #1 but if they get Joekel and a QB in the 2nd I'll still stand behind them.

Alex Smith has the talent of a first round pick. He is not the answer at qb, but he does have some talent. Were not talking about the 49rs polishing some absolute turd into a good qb. Furthermore it wasnt until they got a qb with franchise qb ability that they were able to make that jump to the superbowl.

[Rausch]

Obvious thread is obvious......

This.

A competent HC/GM pairing can take a loser to the playoffs in one year.

A competent HC/GM pairing can take a loser to a championship game in 2-3 years...

[Lex Luthor]

We are the Chiefs, hope for the best and expect the worst
People with attitudes like that piss me off.

It's pretty ****ing stupid to hold Andy Reid and John Dorsey accountable for the sins of Carl Peterson, Scott *****, Herm Edwards, Todd Haley, and all of the others who used to run this franchise.

The new brain trust is not to blame for the failures that took place here in the past. If you expect the worst, you have a loser mentality.

[Dayze]

Don't get your hopes up. We are missing several pieces and it usually takes time. Especially when you start a rookie QB. Last year was the exception imo.

Remember...

Dorsey said, "I am going to do everything within my God-given ability that we have as competitive as a team in the NFL as anyone in the NFL. I want to remind them. Please be patient. This is not a sprint. It is a marathon."

and

Reid said, "Before I interviewed with the Chiefs, I looked at every snap from every [Kansas City] game this year. Special teams were average. The talent overall, it looked to me like they were transitioning from an older team to a younger one. And I thought, 'With a couple, three drafts, very good things can happen here."

Expect this to take some time. We are picking first for a reason and it's not just because of the QB.

I think the bold is probably true. I'll tak e a few drafts to flush all the Piolli picks with the exception of Houston and probably Hudson.

[WhiteWhale]

Don't get your hopes up. We are missing several pieces and it usually takes time. Especially when you start a rookie QB. Last year was the exception imo.

Remember...

Dorsey said, "I am going to do everything within my God-given ability that we have as competitive as a team in the NFL as anyone in the NFL. I want to remind them. Please be patient. This is not a sprint. It is a marathon."

and

Reid said, "Before I interviewed with the Chiefs, I looked at every snap from every [Kansas City] game this year. Special teams were average. The talent overall, it looked to me like they were transitioning from an older team to a younger one. And I thought, 'With a couple, three drafts, very good things can happen here."

Expect this to take some time. We are picking first for a reason and it's not just because of the QB.

Do you know what sandbagging is?

They're sandbagging.

[Hoover]

Good QB + Good HC = Winning in the NFL.

[jspchief]

It helps to get your drafts right in the years when you are bad. Patrick Willis, Crabtree, Smith, Davis, etc. They hit on a lot on their draft picks in the top 15.

Can we say the same? Tjax, Dorsey, Poe... Ugh fuck kill me

[Dayze]

Do you know what sandbagging is?

They're sandbagging.

is that a porno move?

[Rausch]

If you expect the worst, you have a loser mentality.

And there's a good chance you'll be stuck with that loser team until you shake that mentality...

[Rausch]

is that a porno move?

I can think of no less than 4 ways it could be.

Perhaps I should switch professions...

[FlaChief58]

If you expect the worst, you have a loser mentality.

Not at all, I want more than anything for the Chiefs to do something spectacular but history has shown that they get our hopes us every year, only to let us down.


I hope I'm wrong but, 40 years of being a Chiefs fan has made me a realist

[Dave Lane]

The 49ers, to me, illustrated the importance of a HC. Singletary had a beast of a team, but couldn't put the pieces together. Harbaugh came in and got the offense clicking with the defense without adding many new parts to the team.

Great QB play > HC > anything else on team.

[htismaqe]

Don't get your hopes up. We are missing several pieces and it usually takes time. Especially when you start a rookie QB. Last year was the exception imo.

Remember...

Dorsey said, "I am going to do everything within my God-given ability that we have as competitive as a team in the NFL as anyone in the NFL. I want to remind them. Please be patient. This is not a sprint. It is a marathon."

and

Reid said, "Before I interviewed with the Chiefs, I looked at every snap from every [Kansas City] game this year. Special teams were average. The talent overall, it looked to me like they were transitioning from an older team to a younger one. And I thought, 'With a couple, three drafts, very good things can happen here."

Expect this to take some time. We are picking first for a reason and it's not just because of the QB.

Coachspeak.

Underpromise, overdeliver.

This team, with the right decision at QB, could be in the playoffs NEXT YEAR.

In fact, I expect it. That's why we hired a seasoned and accomplished guy like Reid.

[Rausch]

Coachspeak.

Underpromise, overdeliver.

This team, with the right decision at QB, could be in the playoffs NEXT YEAR.

In fact, I expect it. That's why we hired a seasoned and accomplished guy like Reid.

The whole problem this year was having a piss-poor QB and Piss poor coaching that compounded the problem.

Any coach with any original thought was purged from the staff...

[Deberg_1990]

It helps to get your drafts right in the years when you are bad. Patrick Willis, Crabtree, Smith, Davis, etc. They hit on a lot on their draft picks in the top 15.

Can we say the same? Tjax, Dorsey, Poe... Ugh **** kill me

Chiefs have had some bad picks, but they have also hit on many...just like any team.

Marty was another guy who was able to turn a program around quickly.

Find the right coach, staff and QB.

[Imon Yourside]

People with attitudes like that piss me off.

It's pretty ****ing stupid to hold Andy Reid and John Dorsey accountable for the sins of Carl Peterson, Scott *****, Herm Edwards, Todd Haley, and all of the others who used to run this franchise.

The new brain trust is not to blame for the failures that took place here in the past. If you expect the worst, you have a loser mentality.

By the same token if you expect the best and get the worst you probably throw a hissy fit tantrum like Jim harbaugh.

[Ace Gunner]

The 49ers proved it. From 2003 to 2010 they were 46-82. Last two seasons: 24-7-1 with obvious playoff wins and a SB appearance.

Hire the right people, stack your team in the right positions. let them roll.


Obvious thread is obvious......

You are not detail oriented.

[htismaqe]

Chiefs have had some bad picks, but they have also hit on many...just like any team.

Marty was another guy who was able to turn a program around quickly.

Find the right coach, staff and QB.

Marty turned it around quickly using mostly the previous regime's draft picks as well as hitting on Derrick Thomas.

Marty's first few drafts were pretty horrible actually.

[RealSNR]

Coachspeak.

Underpromise, overdeliver.

This team, with the right decision at QB, could be in the playoffs NEXT YEAR.

In fact, I expect it. That's why we hired a seasoned and accomplished guy like Reid.

Yep.

It doesn't take 2-3 years to find a QB, CB, and one extra playmaker on defense, which is all we need in addition to a good coach to make the playoffs again. Especially in the weak-ass AFC.

And it really helps to have the #1 overall pick in tracking down that QB.

Hey, wait a second. Don't we have the #1 overall pick? And didn't we just hire Andy Reid?

Well fuck my jeans. Looks like we're in pretty good shape to bounce back to above 8-8 in this first year of our "rebuild." How d'ya like that?

[Lex Luthor]

Not at all, I want more than anything for the Chiefs to do something spectacular but history has shown that they get our hopes us every year, only to let us down.


I hope I'm wrong but, 40 years of being a Chiefs fan has made me a realist
How many times have John Dorsey and Andy Reid let you down?

[Lex Luthor]

By the same token if you expect the best and get the worst you probably throw a hissy fit tantrum like Jim harbaugh.
Are you saying you wouldn't want Jim Harbaugh coaching your team?

Thanks for making my point for me.

[Deberg_1990]

Marty turned it around quickly using mostly the previous regime's draft picks as well as hitting on Derrick Thomas.

Marty's first few drafts were pretty horrible actually.

Oh i agree. Niners did the same thing basically right?

Most regimes that succeed quickly mostly do so using the previous regimes players. Maybe adding a key piece or two.

examples: DT in 89
Niners with Kaepernick and Aldon Smith

[Imon Yourside]

Are you saying you wouldn't want Jim Harbaugh coaching your team?

Thanks for making my point for me.

Me personally? No I'm not a fan of Harbaugh, I'm sure you probably know why. I'll take my chances with AR.

[Deberg_1990]

No I'm not a fan of Harbaugh,

So you dont enjoy winning then?

[Imon Yourside]

So you dont enjoy winning then?

I do, but Harbaugh is not my favorite person ever. I guess you could say i'm not a go along to get along type of guy.

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[Deberg_1990]

I do, but Harbaugh is not my favorite person ever. I guess you could say i'm not a go along to get along type of guy.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41sc1FuQomL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

UNderstood. My opinion is, i dont hang with these guys, they are not my drinking buddies. All i care about is winning.

[Fritz88]

They drafted elite players.
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[FlaChief58]

How many times have John Dorsey and Andy Reid let you down?

None yet but, the Chiefs on the otherhand, to many times to count.


I reserve the right to enter this season with cautious optimism. It's better for my blood pressure this way

[htismaqe]

How many times have John Dorsey and Andy Reid let you down?

:thumb:

[HemiEd]

Don't get your hopes up. We are missing several pieces and it usually takes time. Especially when you start a rookie QB. Last year was the exception imo.

Remember...

Dorsey said, "I am going to do everything within my God-given ability that we have as competitive as a team in the NFL as anyone in the NFL. I want to remind them. Please be patient. This is not a sprint. It is a marathon."

and

Reid said, "Before I interviewed with the Chiefs, I looked at every snap from every [Kansas City] game this year. Special teams were average. The talent overall, it looked to me like they were transitioning from an older team to a younger one. And I thought, 'With a couple, three drafts, very good things can happen here."

Expect this to take some time. We are picking first for a reason and it's not just because of the QB.

Well of course they are going to say that. They sure aren't going to say we will be where we want to be next year!

[GoChargers]

The 49ers proved it. From 2003 to 2010 they were 46-82. Last two seasons: 24-7-1 with obvious playoff wins and a SB appearance.

2003-2010 WAS their rebuilding process. They drafted most of the cornerstones of their franchise during that time.

The Colts or Seahawks are probably a better example. Even then, they both MAJORLY lucked out in the draft.

[Deberg_1990]

2003-2010 WAS their rebuilding process. They drafted most of the cornerstones of their franchise during that time.



So we can consider Chiefs 2007 to 2012 a rebuilding process then? We do have 5 Pro Bowlers

[GoChargers]

So we can consider Chiefs 2007 to 2012 a rebuilding process then? We do have 5 Pro Bowlers

Yes. The problem is that you needed a coach and GM and you're still a couple drafts away most likely, but there's some talent to build around on your roster.

[HemiEd]

So we can consider Chiefs 2007 to 2012 a rebuilding process then? We do have 5 Pro Bowlers

Don't forget Matt Cassel was a probowler also.

[tony77]

YES! I agree with this post so much.

[tony77]

In my eyes there is no reason not to start winning from day 1. Unless you have a team of all rookies. There is no reason at all.

[tony77]

5-10 yr plans I hate that kind of talk.

[tecumseh]

AR recognizes Cassel for what he is and IMO theres a 90 percent chance Cassel isn't even on the team in '13. Although I'm not completely sold on Geno I'll be excited if AR takes him. If AR decides to take an LT with the first pick, which I highly doubt he'll do, there will be a good reason for it and his experience is worth the benefit of the doubt.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

The 49ers proved it. From 2003 to 2010 they were 46-82. Last two seasons: 24-7-1 with obvious playoff wins and a SB appearance.

Hire the right people, stack your team in the right positions. let them roll.


Obvious thread is obvious......

Truth. That said, they caught the Gannon-luck with the QB switch-a-roo.

The only difference is; their coach was smart enough to stick with the winning horse.