The Star's top 10: The best player in draft for Chiefs needs

[RunKC]

:doh!:

The Star’s Top 10: The best players in draft for Chiefs’ needs
Order Reprints

January 23

As the Chiefs prepare to make the No. 1 overall pick in the NFL Draft for the first time in franchise history, we’ve made our own draft board. Adam Teicher, The Star’s Chiefs reporter, has ranked the top 10 available players who fit the Chiefs’ most pressing needs. Not all are worthy of the No. 1 pick — the Chiefs may decide to trade down — but all are worth keeping an eye on before the draft starts April 25.

• 1. Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia: Chiefs have two Pro Bowlers at this position, so technically outside linebacker is not a need. But Tamba Hali will be 30 next season and it’s difficult to turn down a pass rusher.

• 2. Damontre Moore, OLB, Texas A&M: The same holds for Moore.

• 3. Luke Joeckel, T, Texas A&M: The Chiefs will need a left tackle if Branden Albert becomes a free agent.

• 4. Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia: Smith probably isn’t worthy of being the top pick, but the Chiefs have to solve their QB dilemma somehow.

• 5. Dee Milliner, CB, Alabama: After the fiasco with Stanford Routt, the Chiefs need a corner and Milliner is the best available.

• 6. Cordarrelle Patterson, WR, Tennessee: Again, not worth the top pick. But a fast, 6-3 receiver will be difficult for the Chiefs to pass up.

• 7. Chance Warmack, G, Alabama: Guards aren’t valuable enough to pick with the top overall choice. But Warmack has a chance to be great.

• 8. Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah: The Chiefs will need a lineman if they lose Glenn Dorsey to free agency.

• 9. Mike Glennon, QB, North Carolina State: He makes sense for the Chiefs if they believe he can eventually become a franchise quarterback.

• 10. Alec Ogletree, ILB, Georgia: Inside linebackers aren’t that valuable, but the Chiefs need one to go along with Derrick Johnson.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/01/23/4027833/the-stars-top-10-ranking-the-best.html#storylink=cpy

[Rasputin]

How the hell is OLB our biggest need?, it's not move on. Re-sign Albert LT solved

Draft Geno Smith QB solved. That fucking easy.

[Hammock Parties]

teicher's editor: write me a chiefs draft article

teicher: ok

teicher visits nfldraftcountdown.com and picks names out of hat

teicher: copy paste copy paste copy paste

teicher: i'm done

[KCrockaholic]

Now we can all thank Teicher for making the average fan dumber.

Wonderful.

[Sofa King]

Jesus fucking christ

[Sofa King]

I'd like to kill the mother fucker who started all this Geno isn't worthy bullshit. He has all the stupid fake mockers and the dumbass true fans believing it.

[cdcox]

The words were right, they just got jumbled with the wrong players:

• 1. Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia: The Chiefs have a will need a pass rusher if Tamba Hali pulls a Javon Belcher.

• 2. Damontre Moore, OLB, Texas A&M: The same holds for Moore.

• 3. Luke Joeckel, T, Texas A&M: Chiefs have a near Pro Bowler at this position, so technically a left tackle is not a need. But Brandon Albert is a potential free agent and it’s difficult to turn down a left tackle.

• 4. Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia: After the fiasco with Matt Cassel, the Chiefs need an QB and Smith is the best available.

• 5. Dee Milliner, CB, Alabama: Cornerbacks aren’t that valuable, but the Chiefs need one to go along with Brandon Flowers.

• 6. Cordarrelle Patterson, WR, Tennessee: Patterson probably isn’t worthy of being the top pick, but the Chiefs have to solve their WR dilemma somehow.

• 7. Chance Warmack, G, Alabama:He makes sense for the Chiefs if they believe he can eventually become a franchise quarterback.

• 8. Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah: Again, not worth the top pick. But another ****ing DT will be difficult for the Chiefs to pass up.

• 9. Mike Glennon, QB, North Carolina State: The Chiefs will need a QB, if they pass up on the consensus best QB in the draft, Geno Smith.

• 10. Alec Ogletree, ILB, Georgia: ILBs aren’t valuable enough to pick with the top overall choice. But Ogletree has a chance to be great.

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[GoHuge]

This is by far the stupidest draft mock or eval I have seen. Biggest problem on our team is OLB when our two starters are in Hawaii for the Pro Bowl? Wtf doesn't even come close.

[RunKC]

But Tamba Hali is about to be 30 and we need a guy to replace him when he retires in 3-5 years! LMAO

[-King-]

Someone send this to Danny and Carrington at 610... I want to hear them crush Teicher.

[007]

Someone send this to Danny and Carrington at 610... I want to hear them crush Teicher.

You would be disappointed.

[NJChiefsFan]

How the hell is OLB our biggest need?, it's not move on. Re-sign Albert LT solved

Draft Geno Smith QB solved. That ****ing easy.

The best part is that Teicher himself says in the description that OLB isn't really a need. Good, take one at 1.1 then.

[BigChiefFan]

What a shitty attempt at addressing the team's needs. This article is trash.

[AussieChiefsFan]

For the love of god.... :facepalm:

[Chiefs=Champions]

If i lived in kc i would srs think about applying for a job at the star. Seems to me it would be the easiest job in the world.

[the Talking Can]

this makes me want to pay for access to the star

[Red Dawg]

What a stupid list. KC reporters are delusional.

[ILChief]

The list should be only two:

Tyler Wilson
Geno Smith

[007]

Chiefs will trade out with somebody that wants Joekel. sp

[siberian khatru]

The funniest part of this article?

"Order reprints."

[HotCarl]

decent list but I think Lotulelei should be higher, maybe 4-5

[BigMeatballDave]

decent list but I think Lotulelei should be higher, maybe 4-5

Why? He's not a pass rusher.

[Rambozo]

Not bad but, Glennon and Ogletree shouldn't be on the list. Glennon is awful and Ogletree is better suited for a 4-3 even though he played in the 3-4 at UGA. Most of it is realistic. Everyone is desperate for a QB but the reality is that we probably will not take one #1 overall.

[ChiefRocka]

At least "most" decent analysts can agree that Geno is the best QB prospect this year. Step 1. Question is would being drafted #1 boost his confidence or put that 500lb gorilla on his back?

[HotCarl]

Why? He's not a pass rusher.

In case you haven't noticed we suck at DT

[Rambozo]

At least "most" decent analysts can agree that Geno is the best QB prospect this year. Step 1. Question is would being drafted #1 boost his confidence or put that 500lb gorilla on his back?

I think it would put the gorilla on his back. If we take a QB #1, I believe we need to go hard after Alex Smith. Before people kill me for saying that, I don't think Alex is the answer at QB. I do think he would be an excellent mentor for someone like Geno because he did go #1 and he had a very hard road during his first few years in the league. He obviously did a good job mentoring Kapernick and I think he would do a good job helping Geno come along.

[BigMeatballDave]

Everyone is desperate for a QB but the reality is that we probably will not take one #1 overall.

Ridiculous statement.

Still FAR too soon to say this.

[BigMeatballDave]

In case you haven't noticed we suck at DT

So we should take one top-5? That went well with TJ.

Dumbass.

[Rambozo]

Ridiculous statement.

Still FAR too soon to say this.

True

I should have said imo. :thumb:

[O.city]

A non pass rushing DT at 1 overall? Have we learned nothing?


And I'm not trading for Alex Smith. Need the picks.

[BossChief]

Did Blackbob just say Glennon is awful?

[O.city]

DT is the most stacked position in this draft, IMO. The gap between the top 2 QB's and the rest is huge compared to the top DT and the next 5.

[BossChief]

CB is well stocked, too.

I actually really like our chances of getting 3, maybe 4 starters out of this upcoming draft.

Geno
Cb
DL
S

[notorious]

Has Reid ever traded for a QB?

[O.city]

Has Reid ever traded for a QB?

They traded for Favre, IIRC, when he was at GB. But I don't think he was brought in to be the starter.

[HC_Chief]

They traded for Favre, IIRC, when he was at GB. But I don't think he was brought in to be the starter.

He wasn't; Favre got his chance after GB's started Majkowski got injured.

[Sorter]

Did Blackbob just say Glennon is awful?

The mayans were just late.

[Jimmya]

Brian Billick on Mike and Mike "no qb in this year's Draft is worthy of a top 15 pick".

[kepp]

Wow, the article is titled, "The best player in draft for Chiefs needs", and the top two players mentioned are at a position where we already have pro-bowl talent. I used to look forward to reading mock drafts.

[Deberg_1990]

The CP implosion when we select someone other than Geno or a QB at #1 is going to be epic.

[Rambozo]

Did Blackbob just say Glennon is awful?

I've always said that. What I said before was the Bucky Brooks article on Glennon was symbolic of how bad the QB talent is in this class. What you proceeded to do is tell me how much of an idiot Bucky Brooks was. Eventually, the "mob" and others all piled and took things out of context. I attempted to argue my points and it led to my last banning.

Two weeks after that, I see people citing Bucky Brooks like his word is gold. This is one great example of the "mobster" bullshit. Take it for what it's worth.

Bosschief, I'm done giving you chances and am putting you on ignore. Your takes generally suck, you are big headed, and you bully me because your ego can't handle being challenged. The "mob squad" was formed out of fear of embarrassment and a whole lot of butt hurt.

The best thing you can do is think about what I am saying on move on. I'll leave it at that.

[Deberg_1990]

Brian Billick on Mike and Mike "no qb in this year's Draft is worthy of a top 15 pick".

Prognosticators get too locked into positioning. WHo cares where a guy is picked as long as you feel hes "the guy" and will produce? in hindsite, how many teams wish they would have taken Flacco top 10 now?

[BossChief]

I've always said that. What I said before was the Bucky Brooks article on Glennon was symbolic of how bad the QB talent is in this class. What you proceeded to do is tell me how much of an idiot Bucky Brooks was. Eventually, the "mob" and others all piled and took things out of context. I attempted to argue my points and it led to my last banning.

Two weeks after that, I see people citing Bucky Brooks like his word is gold. This is one great example of the "mobster" bullshit. Take it for what it's worth.

Bosschief, I'm done giving you chances and am putting you on ignore. Your takes generally suck, you are big headed, and you bully me because your ego can't handle being challenged. The "mob squad" was formed out of fear of embarrassment and a whole lot of butt hurt.

The best thing you can do is think about what I am saying on move on. I'll leave it at that.
ROFL

[Sorter]

Prognosticators get too locked into positioning. WHo cares where a guy is picked as long as you feel hes "the guy" and will produce? in hindsite, how many teams wish they would have taken Flacco top 10 now?

Glenn Dorsey was such a much better pick for us...LMAO

[BigMeatballDave]

The CP implosion when we select someone other than Geno or a QB at #1 is going to be epic.

We'll know more as the draft gets closer.

If the pick is, Smith, Wilson, or Barkley, it will be fine.

We'll see.

[ChiefMojo]

I want a QB in the worst way but I'm not against Star Lotulelei at #1 if our brass somehow deem a QB not worthy at #1.

I know a combo of Star and Poe would be devastating up front. With their size, speed and strength.... there are only so many guys you can double team. They both would be great in a 1-Gap system. Just figure which one fits better at DE and the other at NT.

Again not advocating taking a position not a QB at #1 but myself personally wouldn't be against Star.

http://draftbreakdown.com/players/star-lotulelei

[Micjones]

This team does need additional pass rushers, but that's not a pressing need.
Hopefully they can add some help at OLB in Free Agency.

[tyton75]

I really don't think he meant this as a "mock draft" but more like the top 10 players to keep an eye on because they Chiefs just might pick one of them with their #1 pick.

Don't think it was meant for the diehard draftnick who "KNOWS" that Geno is the obvious and only player in the draft worth having on an NFL team.

[tyton75]

I will say, if we had the QB position handled, I would LOVE to see Jarvis Jones on this team.

[htismaqe]

Chiefs will trade out with somebody that wants Joekel. sp

Nobody wants Joeckel.

Fisher is showing everybody he's the better OT right now in Mobile.

[htismaqe]

I will say, if we had the QB position handled, I would LOVE to see Jarvis Jones on this team.

NO.

Spinal stenosis.

Not rolling those dice, no way, no thanks.

[htismaqe]

I want a QB in the worst way but I'm not against Star Lotulelei at #1 if our brass somehow deem a QB not worthy at #1.

I know a combo of Star and Poe would be devastating up front. With their size, speed and strength.... there are only so many guys you can double team. They both would be great in a 1-Gap system. Just figure which one fits better at DE and the other at NT.

Again not advocating taking a position not a QB at #1 but myself personally wouldn't be against Star.

http://draftbreakdown.com/players/star-lotulelei

Yeah, let's spend the #1 overall pick on a guy that can't really rush the passer. The #1 pick is SO worth a wide body to eat up double teams. :rolleyes:

[BossChief]

I want a QB in the worst way but I'm not against Star Lotulelei at #1 if our brass somehow deem a QB not worthy at #1.

I know a combo of Star and Poe would be devastating up front. With their size, speed and strength.... there are only so many guys you can double team. They both would be great in a 1-Gap system. Just figure which one fits better at DE and the other at NT.

Again not advocating taking a position not a QB at #1 but myself personally wouldn't be against Star.

http://draftbreakdown.com/players/star-lotulelei

Starlite is NOT a good pass rushing linemen and is inconsistent otherwise.

Total waste of the top pick as we can get 90% of what he brings by re-signing Dorsey and putting him at the 1 gap nose.

[htismaqe]

I've always said that. What I said before was the Bucky Brooks article on Glennon was symbolic of how bad the QB talent is in this class. What you proceeded to do is tell me how much of an idiot Bucky Brooks was. Eventually, the "mob" and others all piled and took things out of context. I attempted to argue my points and it led to my last banning.

Two weeks after that, I see people citing Bucky Brooks like his word is gold. This is one great example of the "mobster" bullshit. Take it for what it's worth.

Bosschief, I'm done giving you chances and am putting you on ignore. Your takes generally suck, you are big headed, and you bully me because your ego can't handle being challenged. The "mob squad" was formed out of fear of embarrassment and a whole lot of butt hurt.

The best thing you can do is think about what I am saying on move on. I'll leave it at that.

Dude, the "mobster" crowd has been 100% CONSISTENT on Bucky Brooks.

The inconsistency is BUCKY BROOKS.

You quoted him over and over and over because he said Geno wasn't worth the #1 pick.

And then he mocks Geno to the Chiefs #1 overall. THAT is why the "mobster" crowd was quoting him - because he CAN'T KEEP HIS OWN OPINIONS STRAIGHT.

ROFL

Once again, you're wrong.

[notorious]

The fucking combine can't come soon enough.

[tyton75]

NO.

Spinal stenosis.

Not rolling those dice, no way, no thanks.


Forgot all about that. I think its just a "I miss DT" kinda pick cause he appears to have the same type of skill set.

[htismaqe]

Forgot all about that. I think its just a "I miss DT" kinda pick cause he appears to have the same type of skill set.

I hear that.

[Deberg_1990]

just my opinion, but the only positions that a team should select top 10 are:

QB
Pass Rusher
LT
Freak WRs
CB

Possibly a freak RB like AD, but even thats highly questionable in todays game...

[WhiteWhale]

just my opinion, but the only positions that a team should select top 10 are:

QB
Pass Rusher
LT
Freak WRs
CB

Possibly a freak RB like AD, but even thats highly questionable in todays game...

... and from what I've seen I'm not convinced LT belongs on that list anymore.

Shotgun/spread is marginalizing that position big-time.

[Sorter]

... and from what I've seen I'm not convinced LT belongs on that list anymore.

Shotgun/spread is marginalizing that position big-time.

Yup.

QB
Pass-rusher (DE/OLB/DT)
CB/Safety
WR
and then LT

I firmly believe that you have to protect your QB but also think that top tier QBs make their OL look a lot better than they really are.

[ChiefMojo]

People keep talking pass rushers (OLB) but we are not going to take one with Hali and Houston here. If Dorsey walks, we will need a DE like it or not. Star is a better pass rusher than either Dorsey or T-Jax anyways but that isn't the main job of a 3-4 DE. Sure it would improve with a 1-Gap system.

I know it blows ones mind thinking LT or DT but what else is at the top of the draft are we going to see outside of OLB's? Possibly a CB like Milliner? Just better pray it is QB indeed at #1!

[the Talking Can]

I've always said that. What I said before was the Bucky Brooks article on Glennon was symbolic of how bad the QB talent is in this class. What you proceeded to do is tell me how much of an idiot Bucky Brooks was. Eventually, the "mob" and others all piled and took things out of context. I attempted to argue my points and it led to my last banning.

Two weeks after that, I see people citing Bucky Brooks like his word is gold. This is one great example of the "mobster" bullshit. Take it for what it's worth.

Bosschief, I'm done giving you chances and am putting you on ignore. Your takes generally suck, you are big headed, and you bully me because your ego can't handle being challenged. The "mob squad" was formed out of fear of embarrassment and a whole lot of butt hurt.

The best thing you can do is think about what I am saying on move on. I'll leave it at that.

wrong

you showed up to shit all over the Smith thread with nonsense about Glennon, and without having a fucking clue about Smith...and your 'source' then turned out to believe that Smith is actually the best QB

which makes that steaming load you dropped on our thread extra-double pointless, and rendering every 'argument' you made in the thread worthless

you really have a problem with the truth

[htismaqe]

wrong

you showed up to shit all over the Smith thread with nonsense about Glennon, and without having a fucking clue about Smith...and your 'source' then turned out to believe that Smith is actually the best QB

which makes that steaming load you dropped on our thread extra-double pointless, and rendering every 'argument' you made in the thread worthless

you really have a problem with the truth

Yep.

[Sorter]

People keep talking pass rushers (OLB) but we are not going to take one with Hali and Houston here. If Dorsey walks, we will need a DE like it or not. Star is a better pass rusher than either Dorsey or T-Jax anyways but that isn't the main job of a 3-4 DE. Sure it would improve with a 1-Gap system.

I know it blows ones mind thinking LT or DT but what else is at the top of the draft are we going to see outside of OLB's? Possibly a CB like Milliner? Just better pray it is QB indeed at #1!

Depends on your scheme/philosophy. I'm sure Watt and Cullen Jenkins would disagree.

[WhiteWhale]

Depends on your scheme/philosophy. I'm sure Watt and Cullen Jenkins would disagree.

I always wonder...

Do people think that 34 DE's in a 2 gap system are supposed to hold their gap on a pass play?

Granted, they have to read and react whereas in a 1 gap system they're penetrating immediately... but when they read pass their ONLY JOB is go get after the QB in any system.

[Sorter]

I always wonder...

Do people think that 34 DE's in a 2 gap system are supposed to hold their gap on a pass play?

Granted, they have to read and react whereas in a 1 gap system they're penetrating immediately... but when they read pass their ONLY JOB is go get after the QB in any system.

No. However, in a 1-gap in base fronts, you enable your front to get pressure because they only have to play one gap and aren't reacting/holding position.

The primary flaw with the 2-gap for how the game is played now, is that it is simply too slow. For example, a team comes out in base 22 personnel. They run a PA pass. A 2-gap team probably has no chance of really getting presssure if the other team has adequate line play simply due to the time it takes for them to diagnose the play and then adequately react. In a 1-gap in base fronts, the DL is already moving upfield and has a much higher chance of getting penetration on PA and regular passes against base personnel from the offense. JMHO.

[Rasputin]

I think it would put the gorilla on his back. If we take a QB #1, I believe we need to go hard after Alex Smith. Before people kill me for saying that, I don't think Alex is the answer at QB. I do think he would be an excellent mentor for someone like Geno because he did go #1 and he had a very hard road during his first few years in the league. He obviously did a good job mentoring Kapernick and I think he would do a good job helping Geno come along.

Do you even know who our coach is? Coach Andy Reid looks for QBs that can pass the ball often and not rely on the run game. Alex Smith is the farthest down the list of a guy to bring in here to teach or "mentor" a passing QB to pass. I'd also argue that Alex Smith didn't do much of any "mentoring" Kaepernick to do what he does on the field. Maybe off the field, but nothing on the field.

I don't want Alex Smith on this team. He would dumb it up for a QBotf we take from the draft with his Cassel esq play.

lololololol Alex Smith is the complete opposite of what Andy Reid looks for in QB I am sure of that.

[Sorter]

Do you even know who our coach is? Coach Andy Reid looks for QBs that can pass the ball often and not rely on the run game. Alex Smith is the farthest down the list of a guy to bring in here to teach or "mentor" a passing QB to pass. I'd also argue that Alex Smith didn't do much of any "mentoring" Kaepernick to do what he does on the field. Maybe off the field, but nothing on the field.

I don't want Alex Smith on this team. He would dumb it up for a QBotf we take from the draft with his Cassel esq play.

lololololol Alex Smith is the complete opposite of what Andy Reid looks for in QB I am sure of that.

Additionally, there is no reason Smith, Flynn etc. would come here knowing we're taking a QB. They all want to start, not serve as mentors/ride the bench (from what I've read)

[htismaqe]

I always wonder...

Do people think that 34 DE's in a 2 gap system are supposed to hold their gap on a pass play?

Granted, they have to read and react whereas in a 1 gap system they're penetrating immediately... but when they read pass their ONLY JOB is go get after the QB in any system.

By then, it's too late.

[Sorter]

By then, it's too late.

Yup. Yup. Yup. /Boxxy

[keg in kc]

• 4. Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia: Smith probably isn’t worthy of being the top pick, but the Chiefs have to solve their QB dilemma somehow.

• 9. Mike Glennon, QB, North Carolina State: He makes sense for the Chiefs if they believe he can eventually become a franchise quarterback.




Wait, wut?

[Sorter]

• 4. Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia: Smith probably isn’t worthy of being the top pick, but the Chiefs have to solve their QB dilemma somehow.

• 9. Mike Glennon, QB, North Carolina State: He makes sense for the Chiefs if they believe he can eventually become a franchise quarterback.




Wait, wut?

Yeah, I don't get it. Are people really this worried about Geno because he's black or something?

[Rausch]

:doh!:

The Star’s Top 10: The best players in draft for Chiefs’ needs
Order Reprints

January 23

As the Chiefs prepare to make the No. 1 overall pick in the NFL Draft for the first time in franchise history, we’ve made our own draft board. Adam Teicher, The Star’s Chiefs reporter, has ranked the top 10 available players who fit the Chiefs’ most pressing needs. Not all are worthy of the No. 1 pick — the Chiefs may decide to trade down — but all are worth keeping an eye on before the draft starts April 25.

• 1. Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia: Chiefs have two Pro Bowlers at this position, so technically outside linebacker is not a need. But Tamba Hali will be 30 next season and it’s difficult to turn down a pass rusher.

• 2. Damontre Moore, OLB, Texas A&M: The same holds for Moore.

I'm ****ing done.

The idea that we would, in any round, at all, bother to take an OLB is ****ing retarded and shows you have no ****ing clue what the **** you're talking about.

OLB is the strongest aspect of our defense now and the ONLY position I'd say we should not waste a pick on...

[Rausch]

Yeah, I don't get it. Are people really this worried about Geno because he's black or something?

Good news: Phat Andy don't care...

[Sorter]

I'm ****ing done.

The idea that we would, in any round, at all, bother to take an OLB is ****ing retarded and shows you have no ****ing clue what the **** you're talking about.

OLB is the strongest aspect of our defense now and the ONLY point I'd say we should not wasted a pick on...

I would have loved for us to get one last year and would like us to get one in the later rounds if a solid prospect is available. I think it is good to be 3 deep at OLB but you're right, it isn't a pressing need.

[Sorter]

Good news: Phat Andy don't care...

Andy loves the dark chocolate.

[dallaschiefsfan]

The list should be only two:

Tyler Wilson
Geno Smith

THIS. The fact that Glennon is in the list is stupid.

[BigMeatballDave]

I'm not against Star Lotulelei at #1 if our brass somehow deem a QB not worthy at #1.

I am. No way. He's not even a pass rusher.

[TEX]

I'm ****ing done.

The idea that we would, in any round, at all, bother to take an OLB is ****ing retarded and shows you have no ****ing clue what the **** you're talking about.

OLB is the strongest aspect of our defense now and the ONLY position I'd say we should not waste a pick on...

Dorsey does belive in drafting the BAP so don't be surprised by anything...:shrug:

[saphojunkie]

Dorsey does belive in drafting the BAP so don't be surprised by anything...:shrug:

I am calling 100% BULLSHIT on this whole "Derpa Derp I'm John Dorsey and I only take the best player available!" nonsense.

The Packers passed on Colin Kaepernick for Derrick Sherrod with the 32nd pick. Why not? CLEARLY kaepernick is the better "player."

So what's the problem?

You needed an offensive tackle? So NEED is more important, then, huh?
You didn't think Colin Kaepernick was good enough? So you're not a great talent evaluator after all, huh?
You didn't think Kaepernick fit your offensive system? So FIT is more important then, huh?


Or how about how they drafted six straight defensive players the year after they were ranked last in team defense? They passed on Russel Wilson, too.

so once again, we see John Dorsey not spending draft picks on obvious depth. Why not? Is the QB position somehow...dare we say...different than others when it comes to the draft?

[Rausch]

Dorsey does belive in drafting the BAP so don't be surprised by anything...:shrug:

He's FOS.

He'll draft the best player for our team and then say "he was rated right at the top of our board."

And that player will be a QB.

I don't know which one, or when, but that's the pick...

[Frosty]

I am. No way. He's not even a pass rusher.

I think Star is the one pick that would make me lose it. I would be very disappointed if they don't take a QB at #1 but I can at least understand the reasoning behind a pass rusher (can't have too many), a LT (if Albert moves on) or a corner (only shit besides Flowers). But a non-pass rushing, space-eater DT at #1 overall? No way.

[saphojunkie]

I think Star is the one pick that would make me lose it. I would be very disappointed if they don't take a QB at #1 but I can at least understand the reasoning behind a pass rusher (can't have too many), a LT (if Albert moves on) or a corner (only shit besides Flowers). But a non-pass rushing, space-eater DT at #1 overall? No way.

It's infuriating to even consider.

[saphojunkie]

The first two players listed are outside linebackers, where we have two probowlers under the age of thirty. The third player of need is a THEORETICAL need if Branden Albert leaves (though he just said publicly - and passionately - that he wants to stay in KC). My god, Adam Teicher needs to be put out to pasture.

Here is the real list:

1. Geno Smith - QB is the only need that the Chiefs cannot address in free agency or the later rounds.

2. Tyler Wilson - Same as above.

3. Matt Barkley - Hey, I guess backup QB to Geno or Wilson will be a need, too. Take him in the second or third.

4. Mike Glennon - see above.

5. Tyler Bray - see above.

6. Landry Jones - throw him and Cassel in a pit with one knife and have them fight to the death. Winner gets to clean up the horseshit at Arrowhead from the chick riding around.

[Deberg_1990]

DOn Banks SI's new mock. Of course no QB for the Chiefs. :facepalm:


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20130124/2013-nfl-mock-draft-1/?sct=hp_t11_a5&eref=sihp





1 OT Luke Joeckel Texas A&M Jr. 6-6 310 Quarterback is clearly the crying need in K.C., but there's not an Andrew Luck or RGIII in sight atop this year's board. Maybe a passer gets pushed up into this spot at some point, but for now the value of the slot says you take the franchise left tackle in the first round and then try to pick off a quarterback to start the second round. Everybody knows Andy Reid likes to build his roster from the lines out, and with Chiefs left tackle Branden Albert eligible for free agency, Joeckel is the logical replacement.

2 DE Bjoern Werner Florida State Jr. 6-4 256 It seems as if we've been writing about the Jaguars' need to acquire more pass rush in the draft for about 13 years in a row now. But with just 20 sacks last season, Jacksonville ranked 32nd in the league in dropping the quarterback. The Jags are in luck in that there are a lot of talented pass rushers in this year's top 10. Jacksonville plans to stick with a 4-3 defense under new head coach Gus Bradley and defensive coordinator Bob Babich, and Werner is well-suited to that scheme, with 13 sacks and 18 tackles for loss last season.

3 DE Damontre Moore Texas A&M Jr. 6-4 250 Like the Jaguars, the Raiders are desperate for pass rush (they had 25 in 2012, ranking 31st), and Moore fits their need perfectly. Georgia outside linebacker Jarvis Jones is another option, but he's better suited to 3-4 outside linebacker, and the Raiders field a 4-3 look. Moore can handle playing in either formation, and his 12.5 sacks and 20 tackles for loss for the Aggies should translate into a top-three grade in this year's defense-heavy draft.

4 QB Geno Smith West Virginia Sr. 6-3 220 This is where the real guess-work begins, because so much depends on whether new Eagles coach Chip Kelly believes he currently has his starting quarterback on the roster or not. Smith's talents aren't a perfect mesh for Kelly's up-tempo offense, but he's got enough mobility to get the job done, and his pocket-passing skills are NFL ready. We know quarterbacks get pushed up by need, but the Eagles defense needs so much help that Alabama cornerback Dee Milliner could be tough to pass on.

5 OLB Jarvis Jones Georgia Jr. 6-2 242 The Lions are another team seeking pass rushers, and Jones is one of the best this draft has to offer. Again, the 4-3 outside linebacker spot probably isn't his strong suit and he may need a little time to develop his game. But his athleticism and playmaking skills are dynamic, and his workouts this spring are likely to turn NFL heads. The spinal stenosis he was diagnosed with several years back will get a thorough re-examination by the league, but if he's cleared, it'd be a surprise to see him last beyond the top five.

6 CB Dee Milliner Alabama Jr. 6-1 The ex-Crimson Tide product is the cleanest cornerback on the board, with a physical style of play and the ability to both tackle and pitch in on run defense. The idea of teaming Milliner with Cleveland's other first-round cornerback, the gifted Joe Haden, is an early draft scenario that's already quite popular in northeast Ohio.

7 QB Matt Barkley USC Sr. 6-2 230 The Cardinals have other options to fix their quarterback issues, perhaps by trading for Alex Smith or Matt Flynn. But if their division rivals in San Francisco or Seattle won't play ball with them, the Cardinals might talk themselves into Barkley, who was presumed to be a slam-dunk top five pick in 2012, had he not opted to return to USC for what proved to be a damaging senior season. Some don't consider Barkley a first-round talent any more, but let's see what happens once the NFL digs into his tape.

8 QB Mike Glennon N.C. State Sr. 6-6 220 This pick doesn't reflect where Glennon's stock stands today, but where I think it's headed. Granted, Buffalo's need at quarterback is driving this projection of Glennon cracking the top 10. If the Bills don't find him intriguing, he very well may not make the first round. New Bills head coach Doug Marrone probably loves his collegiate QB, Syracuse's Ryan Nassib, but he's more likely to earn a second-to-mid-round grade. Just got a hunch that Glennon's size and arm strength will grow on NFL personnel men as the draft approaches.

9 DE Barkevious Mingo LSU Jr. 6-4 240 It's an easy leap of logic to make, foreseeing a marriage of Mingo's athleticism and edge-rushing talent and Rex Ryan's love for that style of disruptive playmaking. The ex-LSU Tiger has X factor-type potential and pursuit skills, and Mingo is his name. Actually, with a moniker like Barkevious Mingo, this guy's a name player before he even steps foot on an NFL field.

10 OG Chance Warmack Alabama Sr. 6-2 322 I think Titans head coach Mike Munchak played a little guard as I recall, and he's going to see the NFL's next great guard when he scouts Warmack's game. It's not a sexy pick for the Titans, but protecting Jake Locker and helping the Chris Johnson-led ground game get more consistent is plenty important enough to warrant a top 10 pick on an interior lineman of rare pedigree.

11 DT Star Lotulelei Utah Sr. 6-3 320 This might wind up far too low a slot for the talented Lotulelei, who is both versatile and athletic. As the first round's second 10 unfolds, the Chargers should be in good position to help themselves with either a defensive lineman like Lotulelei or a much-needed offensive tackle like Central Michigan's Eric Fisher.

12 WR Keenan Allen California Jr. 6-3 210 Dolphins general manager Jeff Ireland stated the obvious this week at the Senior Bowl: Miami needs more offensive playmakers to put around quarterback Ryan Tannehill. The receiver position is always a bit like picking your favorite flavor of ice cream, but Allen is a dependable and proven pass catcher who many believe is the most pro-ready receiver in the draft.

13 LB Alec Ogletree Georgia Jr. 6-3 234 The Bucs might be fortunate if the playmaking Olgetree lingers all the way to No. 13. Every time you read his name, the phrase "sideline-to-sideline tackler" seems to be invoked. He can play inside or outside linebacker, but with the Bucs he likely would step into the strongside role, alongside Mason Foster in the middle and Lavonte David on the weakside.

14 DT Sheldon Richardson Missouri Jr. 6-3 295 Defensive tackle is the glaring need on Carolina's defense, and how can the Panthers and owner Jerry Richardson pass on a prospect with that last name? The junior is quick and disruptive, and yet still sizable enough to hold his ground and not get easily pushed around in the middle.

15 LB-DE Dion Jordan Oregon Sr. 6-6 243 The Saints will be happy to come out of the first round with a pass rusher who can help Steve Spagnulo's unit start climbing back to respectability after hitting rock bottom in 2012. Jordan is great in pursuit and Oregon used his versatility to its advantage, moving him around to create matchup problems for opponents. He'd step into an outside linebacker slot in New Orleans and provide an instant upgrade on the playmaking front.

16 OT Eric Fisher Central Michigan Sr. 6-7 305 With two first-round picks (see RGIII trade), the Rams could put a package together and move up if they've got conviction about a prospect. But they're not one player away from greatness, so odds are they stick and add two more building blocks to their lineup. Fisher is the draft's second-best tackle behind Joeckel, and NFL scouts already rave about his blend of size (6-7, 305) and athleticism. Pretty sure Rams quarterback Sam Bradford heartily endorses this pick.


17 S Kenny Vaccaro Texas Sr. 6-1 218 The Steelers can go in a lot of different directions to help Dick LeBeau's aging defense. An outside linebacker like BYU's Ezekiel Ansah is a name to watch at No. 17. But Vacarro is the draft's top safety, and probably makes the most sense as Troy Polamalu's eventual replacement. Vaccarro is as strong against the run as he is smooth in pass coverage, and he'll contribute from day one in a variety of roles.

18 DT Jonathan Hankins Ohio State Jr. 6-3 320 Hankins has been a streaky player for the Buckeyes, and Lord knows there are enough of them already in Dallas. But his talent is obvious, and recent developments (see Josh Brent, Jay Ratliff) make defensive tackle the Cowboys' obvious area. The move to a 4-3 defense in Dallas only makes addressing the tackle position all the more critical.

19 DE-LB Ezekiel Ansah BYU Sr. 6-5 270 When you consider the Giants' penchant for rarely passing on the sack specialist with huge upside, and all the comparisons to Jason Pierre-Paul that Ansah has already inspired, it seemed somewhat obvious I had to give him to the Giants. I'm just connecting dots here, folks. It's still early.

20 TE Zach Ertz Stanford Jr. 6-6 252 We know Jay Cutler needs a new target at tight end, and there are two highly rated ones to pick from in the first round mix: Ertz and Notre Dame's Tyler Eifert. Both have size, great athletic prowess and the ability to make the tough catch in traffic. Eifert's semi-local ties with the Irish might win him the nod, but Ertz is the better blocker and I'd roll the dice on his smarts, too.

21 DE Sam Montgomery LSU Jr. 6-5 260 If the Bengals decide defensive end Michael Johnson is too expensive to franchise and he gets away in free agency, Montgomery would make solid sense as a first-round replacement. He's not as explosive as fellow LSU Tiger Mingo, but he can find his way into the backfield and gets high marks for consistent effort.

22 RB Eddie Lacy Alabama Jr. 6-1 220 (From Washington). With their second first-round pick, the Rams could continue to upgrade on offense by giving themselves a youthful option in the event Steven Jackson's career in St. Louis is over. Lacy fits the mold of the bigger power back that Rams head coach Jeff Fisher likes, and he doesn't dance in the backfield like a Chris Johnson. He picks his rushing lane and attacks.

23 WR Cordarrelle Patterson Tennessee Jr. 6-3 205 Patterson's stock could rise well beyond the Vikings' reach by draft night, but he'd be a good get for Minnesota, which needs to add more receiving weapons for young quarterback Christian Ponder. Patterson has the size and strength needed from today's NFL receivers, and he can be used in a variety of ways to create matchup problems, including in the return game.

24 DT Shariff Floyd Florida Jr. 6-3 303 The Colts need more talent up front in the second year of their new-ish 3-4 defense, and Floyd's ability to play inside and at end has to put him on Indy's radar. He'll likely come off the board somewhere between No. 18 Dallas (also going to the 4-3) and the No. 24 Colts.

25 OT D.J. Fluker Alabama Sr. 6-4 355 The Seahawks could easily take the best available receiver in this slot (Baylor's Terrance Williams, Clemson's DeAndre Hopkins or USC's Robert Woods), and fill a need. But Fluker might earn too high a grade to pass on. Seattle's offensive line was superb in 2012, but Breno Giacomini is hardly irreplaceable at right tackle. Fluker is seen as a natural right tackle in the NFL and his massive 6-4, 355-pound size and impressive wingspan could solidify the position for the foreseeable future.

26 RB Montee Ball Wisconsin Sr. 5-11 215 I know, running backs in the first round don't make much sense in the NFL any more. But I love the idea of the Packers finally getting a No. 1 back who can threaten a defense, and I'm convinced Aaron Rodgers will second that motion. Time to add a consistent element to the at times non-existent Green Bay running game. The Packers know what Ball has done down in Madison the past three years, and let's face it, all the guy does is score touchdowns. Believe it or not, there's still a place for that in the NFL.

27 WR Terrance Williams Baylor Sr. 6-1 201 If the Texans want to find a way to beat the Patriots, they hqave to get more playmaking options in the passing game. Williams isn't a consensus first-rounder at this point, but I like his blend of size and speed, his body control and his ability to make yards after the catch. The Achilles tear suffered by receiver DeVier Posey in the playoff loss at New England makes receiver even more of a critical need.

28 CB Xavier Rhodes Florida State Jr. 6-1 217 Champ Bailey looked really, really old in the playoff shocker against Baltimore. Rhodes has prototypical NFL size and impressive coverage skills, and he plays with a physical presence.

29 S Matt Elam Florida Jr. 5-10 202 As the playoff loss to the Ravens proved, the Patriots still have their seemingly never-ending issues in the secondary. Elam is a solid value in the latter stages of the first round, and his nose for the football would upgrade New England at safety, where the Pats tend to take a makeshift approach at times. And, of course, Bill Belichick loves him some Florida Gators.

30 DE Alex Okafor Texas Sr. 6-4 261 It's time for Atlanta to prioritize the needed upgrade to its pass rush, because John Abraham can't do it all by himself, and he's not getting any younger either. In a first round with plentiful pass rush options, Okafor is by far the top-rated remaining sacker left at No. 30.

31 LB Manti Te'o Notre Dame Sr. 6-2 255 (Dependent on outcome of Super Bowl). Not sure where the draft stock of Te'o will settle after the well-chronicled tale of his hoax of a dying internet girlfriend becomes yesterday's news, but NFL executives I talked to last week were taking a wait-and-see approach. Te'o is a tackling machine and he finds the football in the takeaway department, too, but him getting run over in embarrassing fashion against Alabama had to give some teams pause about his overall game. At the bottom of the first round, however, Ozzie Newsome and Co. might consider him a steal of a replacement for the retired Ray Lewis.

32 DT Jesse Williams Alabama Sr. 6-4 320 (Dependent on outcome of Super Bowl). As the eventual successor to 12th-year veteran defensive end Justin Smith in the 49ers' 3-4 defense, Williams makes all kind of sense. He's powerful and can push the pocket, and he's a high-motor guy just like Smith has been ever since he came out of Missouri in 2001.

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20130124/2013-nfl-mock-draft-1/#ixzz2IvUqLZWY

[Sorter]

^^ So 3 QBs in the top 10 and none go to KC.

Glad to see SI really tried to not be a bunch of morons with this mock.

[Titty Meat]

Using banks logic we would have went from 2000-2012 without a qb be taken #1

[dallaschiefsfan]

Wilson drops to the 2nd round in that mock. Credibility = zero

[htismaqe]

Using banks logic we would have went from 2000-2012 without a qb be taken #1

Exactly.

[siberian khatru]

So according to Banks, Smith isn't worth taking at No. 1 "for value," but he's OK three spots later at 4?

A QB-starved franchise shouldn't "reach" three spots for a player?

GTFO.

[siberian khatru]

Do these guys even listen to themselves?

[Deberg_1990]

So according to Banks, Smith isn't worth taking at No. 1 "for value," but he's OK three spots later at 4?

A QB-starved franchise shouldn't "reach" three spots for a player?

GTFO.

I can only guess they are writing this Jeockel crap because of the uncertain Albert situation. Whatever the case, even if we had nothing at LT, id still take a QB #1. Even if Joeckel is the next Orlando Pace combined with Anthony Muzoz, you still take a QB #1.

[Frosty]

I can only guess they are writing this Jeockel crap because of the uncertain Albert situation. Whatever the case, even if we had nothing at LT, id still take a QB #1.

Yeah, it's not like the Chiefs drafted two tackles last year or anything.

[keg in kc]

I can only guess they are writing this Jeockel crap because of the uncertain Albert situation. Whatever the case, even if we had nothing at LT, id still take a QB #1.You know...

A thought occurred to me, just now.

We talk about agents prompting the so-called "draft experts" to promote certain guys. What if the Chiefs front office is pushing the Joeckel talk behind the scenes as a negotiating tactic with Albert's agent?

[siberian khatru]

I can only guess they are writing this Jeockel crap because of the uncertain Albert situation. Whatever the case, even if we had nothing at LT, id still take a QB #1.

So as soon as we re-sign Albert, they'll quit it and go QB -- or they'll write, "Taking Joeckel allows the Chiefs to slide Albert inside to G, where he played in college." :doh!:

[Frosty]

You know...

A thought occurred to me, just now.

We talk about agents prompting the so-called "draft experts" to promote certain guys. What if the Chiefs front office is pushing the Joeckel talk behind the scenes as a negotiating tactic with Albert's agent?

I'm kind of hoping that the new administration isn't that underhanded but that's probably naive.

[ct]

I'd like to kill the mother ****er who started all this Geno isn't worthy bullshit. He has all the stupid fake mockers and the dumbass true fans believing it.

I think when the combine is over, Geno will again be 'worthy' of #1 for any team with a need @QB. They may not put him as #1 prospect, but close enough a QB needy team like KC will have little negative feedback for taking Geno.

[MahiMike]

Everyone trashes the Jarvis Jones pick and, sure we need a QB way more than a LB, but that guy stood out in every game I saw Georgia play. He single-handedly beat Mizzou and Florida.

[Strongside]

Hm. Didn't realize Barry's Kool-Aid had a column in the Star now.

[htismaqe]

Everyone trashes the Jarvis Jones pick and, sure we need a QB way more than a LB, but that guy stood out in every game I saw Georgia play. He single-handedly beat Mizzou and Florida.

He has spinal stenosis, which means his career could be over at any moment.

Marcus McNeill was a potential top 10 pick and fell to the 2nd round because of it. He ended up only playing at a high level for about 4 years and by year 5, the Chargers had replaced him.

[BossChief]

He has spinal stenosis, which means his career could be over at any moment.

Marcus McNeill was a potential top 10 pick and fell to the 2nd round because of it. He ended up only playing at a high level for about 4 years and by year 5, the Chargers had replaced him.

Here's the counter agument...

Patrick Surtain had a similar problem and played a full career. (This is obviously not a way to approve of taking something other than a QB with our top choice)

[-King-]

You would be disappointed.

Doubt it. They're on the QB bandwagon. And they rip apart people who mock us taking anyone that's not a QB.

[Strongside]

Here's the counter agument...

Patrick Surtain had a similar problem and played a full career. (This is obviously not a way to approve of taking something other than a QB with our top choice)

Well...I don't know that he actually played during entire his time here...at least I wouldn't call it that.

[BossChief]

Doubt it. They're on the QB bandwagon. And they rip apart people who mock us taking anyone that's not a QB.

Look at how this team responded to Kyle Orton level QBing...Geno is 10 times the player Orton could have ever been...so are at least 2 other qbs from this "undeserving class"

Think about that.

[-King-]

Look at how this team responded to Kyle Orton level QBing...Geno is 10 times the player Orton could have ever been...so are at least 2 other qbs from this "undeserving class"

Think about that.

Hey, Luke Joeckel could be as good as Joe Thomas. Look at how well the Browns are doing since they draf....


Wait, nevermind.

[htismaqe]

Hey, Luke Joeckel could be as good as Joe Thomas. Look at how well the Browns are doing since they draf....


Wait, nevermind.

ROFL

[BlackHelicopters]

The Star has got to sell newspapers somehow, some way, any way possible.

[O.city]

Like I said this morning, a non pass rushing DT at 1 overall is dumb, a pass rushing OLB with severe medical issues is worse.

[chiefzilla1501]

This is by far the stupidest draft mock or eval I have seen. Biggest problem on our team is OLB when our two starters are in Hawaii for the Pro Bowl? Wtf doesn't even come close.

OLB would be a good pick. Except that qb is so critical of a pick and the first round is the only place to find a good one.but just because you have two pro bowlers doesn't make it any less of a need. The giants have been drafting DEs I. The first round for years even when they've had pass rushers.

[O.city]

OLB would be a good pick. Except that qb is so critical of a pick and the first round is the only place to find a good one.but just because you have two pro bowlers doesn't make it any less of a need. The giants have been drafting DEs I. The first round for years even when they've had pass rushers.

Yep, and you can absolutely do that, when you have your QB. It really makes things so much easier.

[Gravedigger]

The Star has got to sell newspapers somehow, some way, any way possible.

Maybe if they printed things the readers would actually want to read maybe they'd sell more material.

[HotCarl]

I think Ogletree will run up the board. Nobody wants to take an MLB that high, but if we move down he might be a good choice. Some leadership to anchor the defense in the middle is something every team needs to get back to respectability and playoff contention.

[htismaqe]

I think Ogletree will run up the board. Nobody wants to take an MLB that high, but if we move down he might be a good choice. Some leadership to anchor the defense in the middle is something every team needs to get back to respectability and playoff contention.

Anything but a QB...

[Sorter]

Yep, and you can absolutely do that, when you have your QB. It really makes things so much easier.

This.

[warpaint*]

The first five spots should be QB as that is our biggest need. By far.

As an aside since I saw his name I wouldn't mind one bit seeing Cordarrelle Patterson in a Chiefs uniform. Not possible while getting a QB too I am just musing.