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January 28
BY ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

Following last week’s Senior Bowl, we’ve decided to spend this week’s edition of The Star’s NFL Draft top 10 on quarterbacks. Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson, North Carolina State’s Mike Glennon, Syracuse’s Ryan Nassib, Miami of Ohio’s Zac Dysert, Oklahoma’s Landry Jones and Florida State’s EJ Manuel participated. While the Chiefs likely won’t take any quarterback with the first pick, keep in mind that with the scouting combine, school and personal workouts and interviews, there’s still time for these prospects and others to climb the board.

• 1. Wilson. He completed eight of 11 passes in the game but for just 40 yards.

• 2. Geno Smith, West Virginia. Opted not to play in the Senior Bowl but can make up ground over the next three months.

• 3. Glennon. Completed eight of 16 passes and had the game’s longest completion of 22 yards.

• 4. Matt Barkley, USC. Didn’t play in the Senior Bowl because of a sprained throwing shoulder.

• 5. Nassib. Was just four of 10 with an interception.

• 6. Tyler Bray, Tennessee. Came out for draft as a junior, so he was ineligible to play in the Senior Bowl.

• 7. Dysert. Was 10 of 16 with a touchdown and an interception.

• 8. Jones. Was just three of nine and was sacked twice.

• 9. Matt Scott, Arizona. Just a one-year starter, but a dual-threat quarterback who can run as well as throw.

• 10. Manuel. Was seven for 10 with a touchdown. He also rushed for a touchdown.

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[RunKC]

Barkley>Glennon

Manuel>Jones

Bray>Nassib

Geno is still ahead of Wilson right now too, and I'm a Wilson fan.

[RealSNR]

While the Chiefs likely won’t take any quarterback with the first pick

HOW DOES THIS MORON STILL HAVE A FUCKING JOB

[keg in kc]

While the Chiefs likely won’t take any quarterback with the first pickBased on what?

[the Talking Can]

this is why you should pay for the star....effort

meanwhile, for free, all you get is stuff like this

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/1/28/3915696/accuracy-in-perspective-matt-cassel-and-geno-smith

[NJChiefsFan]

HOW DOES THIS MORON STILL HAVE A ****ING JOB

Having a job in KC sports media is as easy as it gets.

[Exoter175]

Barkley>Glennon

Manuel>Jones

Bray>Nassib

Geno is still ahead of Wilson right now too, and I'm a Wilson fan.

The problem with this whole mess right now, is people don't understand what it is they are ranking, why one player is ahead of another, and so forth. One media outlet ranks guys based on Variable A, people scream at it. Another media outlet ranks guys based on Variable B, people scream at it. Another media outlet ranks guys based on where they believe they will be drafted based on team needs and fitment with said teams, and where those teams will draft. People scream at it.


So lets look at the big picture here. While Geno is the unanimous #1 right now, it isn't like he's head and shoulders above the rest, like Luck/RG3 were. This is going to come as a shock to people, but just because Geno is ranked #1 for QB talent in this draft (regardless how little the separation truly is) it doesn't mean he's a lock for the #1 QB taken in the draft, nor the #1 selection. For all we know, Wilson could be the guy who Andy Reid thinks fits our offense the best. Since there is very little actual separation between Wilson and Smith, Wilson could easily be the #1 draft pick. However, if the consensus of our FO believes Wilson will be available in the 2nd round, and is still THE BEST QB in their eyes for this team, they aren't going to spend a #1 draft pick on him. They'll be communicating with other teams to get a feel for where they rank Wilson as well, and might even make a move back into the first round to get him.

The Chiefs could pull a Browns move and go get their Star Tackle with their first selection, then trade back into the first and get their QBOTF with their second selection. Lets just hope it doesn't end up Brady Quinn lol.

Now, if I were to rank them in terms of the play I feel will fit into a Chiefs/Reid mold from the last 2-3 years, I'm going with this.

Smith>Wilson>/only two prospects worth a first rounder right now in my eyes/ > Bray>Barkley(ewww)>Nassib=Glennon>Manuel>life>universe>everything>Jones
this is why you should pay for the star....effort

meanwhile, for free, all you get is stuff like this

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/1/28/3915696/accuracy-in-perspective-matt-cassel-and-geno-smith

Junk vs. Junk there, a debate for another thread. My 8 year old nephew could put a better analysis together LMAO

[Imon Yourside]

The problem with this whole mess right now, is people don't understand what it is they are ranking, why one player is ahead of another, and so forth. One media outlet ranks guys based on Variable A, people scream at it. Another media outlet ranks guys based on Variable B, people scream at it. Another media outlet ranks guys based on where they believe they will be drafted based on team needs and fitment with said teams, and where those teams will draft. People scream at it.


So lets look at the big picture here. While Geno is the unanimous #1 right now, it isn't like he's head and shoulders above the rest, like Luck/RG3 were. This is going to come as a shock to people, but just because Geno is ranked #1 for QB talent in this draft (regardless how little the separation truly is) it doesn't mean he's a lock for the #1 QB taken in the draft, nor the #1 selection. For all we know, Wilson could be the guy who Andy Reid thinks fits our offense the best. Since there is very little actual separation between Wilson and Smith, Wilson could easily be the #1 draft pick. However, if the consensus of our FO believes Wilson will be available in the 2nd round, and is still THE BEST QB in their eyes for this team, they aren't going to spend a #1 draft pick on him. They'll be communicating with other teams to get a feel for where they rank Wilson as well, and might even make a move back into the first round to get him.

The Chiefs could pull a Browns move and go get their Star Tackle with their first selection, then trade back into the first and get their QBOTF with their second selection. Lets just hope it doesn't end up Brady Quinn lol.

Now, if I were to rank them in terms of the play I feel will fit into a Chiefs/Reid mold from the last 2-3 years, I'm going with this.

Smith>Wilson>/only two prospects worth a first rounder right now in my eyes/ > Bray>Barkley(ewww)>Nassib=Glennon>Manuel>life>universe>everything>Jones


Junk vs. Junk there, a debate for another thread. My 8 year old nephew could put a better analysis together LMAO

Or we could simply resign our stud LT we have now and draft Geno #1, I know it's a new concept to most morons but I figured I would point that out for you.

[Exoter175]

Or we could simply resign our stud LT we have now and draft Geno #1, I know it's a new concept to most morons but I figured I would point that out for you.

That doesn't fit the hypothetical scenario being tossed around according to the article.

Letting Albert go is the worst thing this FO could do all offseason.

But getting back to a point the "morons" cannot swallow yet.

lets say Geno is the guy for our team, our FO and HC are sold on him, he has a terrible combine/pro day or others have great ones that blow people away. Geno slides to a second round prospect.

Do you spend the #1 draft on Geno still? Or do you spend it on the new #1 overall QB? Do you spend your #1 on a non QB and your 2nd rounder on Geno?

What would you do given that hypothetical scenario.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

HOW DOES THIS MORON STILL HAVE A FUCKING JOB

this. Lol. Tiecher is really Benny from LA Law...
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[Imon Yourside]

That doesn't fit the hypothetical scenario being tossed around according to the article.

Letting Albert go is the worst thing this FO could do all offseason.

But getting back to a point the "morons" cannot swallow yet.

lets say Geno is the guy for our team, our FO and HC are sold on him, he has a terrible combine/pro day or others have great ones that blow people away. Geno slides to a second round prospect.

Do you spend the #1 draft on Geno still? Or do you spend it on the new #1 overall QB? Do you spend your #1 on a non QB and your 2nd rounder on Geno?

What would you do given that hypothetical scenario.

I would teleport back to reality, ie it isn't happening. I would take the best QB available and we all know who that is...

[NJChiefsFan]

But getting back to a point the "morons" cannot swallow yet.

lets say Geno is the guy for our team, our FO and HC are sold on him, he has a terrible combine/pro day or others have great ones that blow people away. Geno slides to a second round prospect.

Do you spend the #1 draft on Geno still? Or do you spend it on the new #1 overall QB? Do you spend your #1 on a non QB and your 2nd rounder on Geno?

What would you do given that hypothetical scenario.

I like how you like to pretend people can't understand this concept to feel smarter. Has nothing to do with understanding it and everything to do with not believing it is going to happen. It's about the fear that our guy won't drop far enough. Or the risk. If Reid thinks he found his QB, he needs to take him, not get cute. It has nothing to do with misunderstanding the hypothetical.

[Exoter175]

I would teleport back to reality, ie it isn't happening. I would take the best QB available and we all know who that is...

The best QB available is Geno, but that doesn't mean we are drating him. That doesn't mean that Andy Reid and the Chiefs are going to draft Geno #1.


I'm telling you, this is how this is going to work. If Andy Reid and the FO don't think Smith is worth the #1 pick overall, but believe he's the #1 QB fit for them, they aren't going to pull the trigger with the #1 overall. They'll wait for the 2nd round.

I know this might come as a gigantic surprise to you, but unless there is a "once in a generation" guy out there, each team is going to have their own individual rankings for players to fit within their team and only their team. They aren't going to JUST rank them best overall, and they aren't going to draft them best overall.

For all we know, the Chiefs right now could be sold on Bray as their guy. And do you know what they won't do with that #1 pick? Waste it on a QB they can get in the 2nd round, or waste it on the consensus #1 QB "just cause".

Sweet Jesus, its like 99.7% of you are on this "We have to draft the #1 QB with the #1 pick or the Chiefs are dead to me" kick.

Have a little faith in your team for christs sake. If it just so happens that Geno is the #1 guy FOR US, then there is absolutely NO QUESTION that we'll draft him #1 overall.

What you need to remember is that YOU and I do not make that call. The Chiefs do.

[Exoter175]

I like how you like to pretend people can't understand this concept to feel smarter. Has nothing to do with understanding it and everything to do with not believing it is going to happen. It's about the fear that our guy won't drop far enough. Or the risk. If Reid thinks he found his QB, he needs to take him, not get cute. It has nothing to do with misunderstanding the hypothetical.

You aren't getting it.

I'll dumb it down.

Lets say Geno is the #1 guy for us, but is guaranteed to be there in the second round.

Do you really want us to waste the #1 on a guy we could get in the 2nd round?

[keg in kc]

Have a little faith in your team for christs sake.Sounds like a great idea after the last 40 years.

[Exoter175]

Sounds like a great idea after the last 40 years.

We're still here, We're still Chiefs fans. We still came together as a fanbase to oust our GM did we not?

We cleaned house, have a new GM and HC, practically a whole new FO and Staff, and we have the #1 pick in the draft.

IF we didn't believe in this team, we wouldn't be on this board talking about our beloved team.

However, it seems like everyone is in a fucking panic about what is going to happen in 3 months, when you assholes need to chill out, have a drink, kick back in a lawn chair and take a deep breath. We've got it easy ladies and gents. Papa Walrus is going to do us right.

[NJChiefsFan]

You aren't getting it.

I'll dumb it down.

Lets say Geno is the #1 guy for us, but is guaranteed to be there in the second round.

Do you really want us to waste the #1 on a guy we could get in the 2nd round?

Yeah, yet again I get it. What you don't get is that the bold part isn't going to happen. If every team signed a form stating they couldn't draft Geno in the first then I am gonna draft something else at one. Since that isn't going to happen Reid should just take the QB he wants if he thinks there is even a 5% chance that his QB won't be there for him.

Again, has nothing to do with not understanding it and everything to do with risk and reality. You are just trying to sound like you are talking about some complicated concept nobody can understand. We understand, we just don't agree with it.

[Exoter175]

Yeah, yet again I get it. What you don't get is that the bold part isn't going to happen. If every team signed a form stating they couldn't draft Geno in the first then I am gonna draft something else at one. Since that isn't going to happen Reid should just take the QB he wants if he thinks there is even a 5% chance that his QB won't be there for him.

Again, has nothing to do with not understanding it and everything to do with risk and reality. You are just trying to sound like you are talking about some complicated concept nobody can understand. We understand, we just don't agree with it.

That isn't it at all, the real issue is you are scared to lose the #1 option for QB for us in this draft.

That's all you have to say.

I'm a gambler, if there's a 95% chance that Geno is there in the second and he's my #1 guy for the position, I'm taking those odds all day long.

It isn't about reality either, it is a about logic.

Everyone here is all in on Geno, but the truth is nobody here knows what Andy Reid and the FO are thinking. We need to let up on the reigns a bit and be happy that we have a new braintrust for this organization and let them do their thing.

If Geno is their #1 guy, and they pass on him in the 1st round, I'm going to support their decision to do so. I don't think it's the most likely of things to happen, but I"m not going to put on the blinders and join this absurd "QB with the #1 pick or bust" bandwagon.

[NJChiefsFan]

That isn't it at all, the real issue is you are scared to lose the #1 option for QB for us in this draft.

Everyone here is all in on Geno, but the truth is nobody here knows what Andy Reid and the FO are thinking. We need to let up on the reigns a bit and be happy that we have a new braintrust for this organization and let them do their thing.

If Geno is their #1 guy, and they pass on him in the 1st round, I'm going to support their decision to do so. I don't think it's the most likely of things to happen, but I"m not going to put on the blinders and join this absurd "QB with the #1 pick or bust" bandwagon.

Pretty sure risk has a lot to do with fearing the loss of the QB Reid and company value the most. So how is that not it at all? The position is too important. I am afraid of losing the #1 option. You talk about trusting Reid and company, well I do. I don't want to lose the guy they think is the best option. Trusting their opinion on the talent and trusting the 95% chance are two different things.

I have never stated that I am done if they don't take Smith. None of this shows I didn't understand your point. I just don't agree with the risk. If Reid finds his guy, don't **** around if there is any chance of you losing him.

[Exoter175]

Pretty sure risk has a lot to do with fearing the loss of the QB Reid and company value the most. So how is that not it at all? The position is too important. I am afraid of losing the #1 option. You talk about trusting Reid and company, well I do. I don't want to lose the guy they think is the best option. Trusting their opinion on the talent and trusting the 95% chance are two different things.

I have never stated that I am done if they don't take Smith. None of this shows I didn't understand your point. I just don't agree with the risk. If Reid finds his guy, don't **** around if there is any chance of you losing him.

I take it you don't really understand Andy Reid then?

He's going to take that 95% odd as well, which is my point that you didn't quite understand.

Andy Reid isn't really one to go "all in" and just jump all over a player. He's a poker player with his cards held closely to his vest. And in reality, do you know how often teams go into a draft with their #1 guys ranked and watch them taken out from under them all the time? They prepare for situations like that.

If you think for 2 seconds that in the next 3 and a half months Andy Reid and company won't have a contingency plan in check, you're crazy.

The first sign you're going to see if Reid and company end up going all in on a guy, is who we sign for a backup QB. That's going to be Priority #1 after re-signing Albert/Colquitt, and Bowe, or at least trying to. Reid likes a strong #2, so getting a guy like Alex Smith or comparable talent and at least capable of providing a win (like we did with Orton) are going to be paramount to him. If, as an example, we picked Smith up, you bet your ass that is the #1 sign that we are taking a QB in the first round.

I'm all for getting a QB for us, but it doesn't have to be in the first round. Part of drafting well comes from when you select guys and get the most value out of each draft. There's a reason that teams like the Niners, Colts, and Bengals have been pretty successful in the last few years (ignoring the whole Peyton down year), and it comes from their drafts, and not over drafting a guys stock.

Every year I read this bullshit about how there's going to be 10 QBs taken in the first round, and then it doesn't happen. Why? Because of value. Teams aren't going to rush to pounce on QBs in this draft. This is the worst QB draft in quite a while, yet people are already talking about 5-6 Qbs in the first round.

What teams are taking those guys, and who are they taking?

Geno and Wilson are the only two guys worth a first round as of right now, and in the last 2 seasons of drafts, they wouldn't even be taken in the 3rd round, let alone the first. Nassib and Glennon? Late first, early 2nd round guys at best. A team who is desperate might take a shot, but how well did that work for teams like Jacksonville, Tennessee, and Miami? They ended up wasting picks on QBs they could possibly have picked up in the 2nd round or traded back into to select, and could have gotten much better talent on their team in doing so.


Safe to say, I fucking hate this whole mantra of "you have to take a QB #1", or that bullshit "Due to the new CBA it isn't risky to reach on a QB". Bitch, its risky to take a QB you don't think can start in the NFL, period.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

too much hypothetical here. Geno is the pick/deal done/thx!
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[Exoter175]

too much hypothetical here. Geno is the pick/deal done/thx!
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Deal is done after the senior bowl, before the combine, before pro days, and before individual work outs?

Interesting.

[NJChiefsFan]

I take it you don't really understand Andy Reid then?

There's a reason that teams like the Niners, Colts, and Bengals have been pretty successful in the last few years (ignoring the whole Peyton down year), and it comes from their drafts, and not over drafting a guys stock.

Every year I read this bullshit about how there's going to be 10 QBs taken in the first round, and then it doesn't happen. Why? Because of value. Teams aren't going to rush to pounce on QBs in this draft. This is the worst QB draft in quite a while, yet people are already talking about 5-6 Qbs in the first round.

Safe to say, I ****ing hate this whole mantra of "you have to take a QB #1", or that bullshit "Due to the new CBA it isn't risky to reach on a QB". Bitch, its risky to take a QB you don't think can start in the NFL, period.

Reid took McNabb with his first pick. Everything he did in the draft after that philosophy-wise came with him already having a QB. As for all these top 10 QBs never happening, you yourself pointed out plenty of teams that went after QB's the past few years.

I am not asking for Reid to take someone he doesn't think can start. I said several times that it if Reid thinks they are the best QB and think there is a chance they won't be there in the 2nd, they shouldn't fuck around. We have the #1 pick. You don't need to have a backup plan because you have the first pick. Andy Reid came in and took his QB right away in PHI. All his drafting after that is not evidence of how he will handle a draft when his team doesn't have a QB. Same with Dorsey. They had Favre.

Speaking of hating draft ideas, I hate the one where you forget how important the QB position is and risk losing your(coaches) #1 option just because you feel there is a chance you can have your cake and eat it to.

[DaneMcCloud]

Based on what?

The Chiefs

[crossbow]

The best Qbs will be long gone before the 2nd round. It happens every year in the modern NFL because the position is so important. You use the number 1 pick overall to take a guy that you know will improve your team the most. Since we have no QB at all and it is the most important position then wouldn't we take a QB to improve the team the most? Just don't screw around trying to look smart and end up with Matt Blunden or the jokes on you.

[Exoter175]

Reid took McNabb with his first pick. Everything he did in the draft after that philosophy-wise came with him already having a QB. As for all these top 10 QBs never happening, you yourself pointed out plenty of teams that went after QB's the past few years.

I am not asking for Reid to take someone he doesn't think can start. I said several times that it if Reid thinks they are the best QB and think there is a chance they won't be there in the 2nd, they shouldn't fuck around. We have the #1 pick. You don't need to have a backup plan because you have the first pick. Andy Reid came in and took his QB right away in PHI. All his drafting after that is not evidence of how he will handle a draft when his team doesn't have a QB. Same with Dorsey. They had Favre.

Speaking of hating draft ideas, I hate the one where you forget how important the QB position is and risk losing your(coaches) #1 option just because you feel there is a chance you can have your cake and eat it to.

Whoa Whoa Whoa, just because Geno might be the #1 QB does not mean he is the #1 option on the big board for the Chiefs. While the QB is the most important position on the team, that doesn't mean the 21 other positions are useless. You don't see phenomenal QBs winning Super Bowls without decent teams around them. You do, however, see Decent QBs win super bowls with Phenomenal teams around them.

The closest we ever got to being a perennial playoff team and repeating our early success of our super bowl era, was under Marty Ball. We didn't have our own QB then, but we did have one hell of a team built, even when our QB wasn't named Montana. And some of you probably couldn't name off 3 QBs under Marty not named Montana, without having to go and google search it.

Also, you're forgetting that the McNabb draft was similar to this draft, there was shit for QB's coming out in that draft and Andy didn't have the #1 selection back then. For all we knew, Tim Couch was his #1 guy lol. My oh my how things would have been different for him.

The point here is, if Andy Reid thinks his guy has a 95% chance of being there in the 2nd, he's not going to draft him #1. He'l draft someone or trade out of the spot, and then trade back in or sit on the pick in the 2nd round.

He has so many options and all you guys can seem to grasp is that he has to take a QB #1 if he thinks that QB won't be there in the second.

I want to use a really good example of smart drafting.

Cincy in the 2011 draft. In a draft full of QB's where only one of them had separated himself as the #1 draft pick (like Geno), Cincy waited for their QB to fall into the second round, and took AJ Green as their first round pick at #4, arguably one of the most complete and physically gifted receivers in the game, rivaling Megatron with those honors. And with their second round pick, #35 overall, the Bengals picked up Andy Dalton. Pretty good fucking QB if you ask me. Unlike Locker, Gabbert, and Ponder, who were all taken after Newton and before Dalton.

They were also the only team to have two pro bowlers from the 1st and 2nd round, might even be the only team to have two pro bowlers from that entire draft.

The point is, we have more needs than just QB, and if Andy Reid thinks we can get our guy in the second, I'm behind it, and against this idiotic push for a #1 overall QB "just because", especially in a year where the QBs suck compared to most years. This draft class has nothing but career backups and maybe 3 guys with potential to really be a true starter in the NFL, and not a Gabbert type starter lol.

[Exoter175]

The best Qbs will be long gone before the 2nd round. It happens every year in the modern NFL because the position is so important. You use the number 1 pick overall to take a guy that you know will improve your team the most. Since we have no QB at all and it is the most important position then wouldn't we take a QB to improve the team the most? Just don't screw around trying to look smart and end up with Matt Blunden or the jokes on you.

Buts it is totally okay to draft the next Tim Couch, Matt Leinart, Colt McCoy, Brandon Weeden, Blaine Gabbert, Brady Quinn, etc.?

Its okay to bust on a 1st round QB, but its not okay to pass on a QB you aren't sure about?

That sounds backasswwards.

Cincy did just fine in 2011.

[the Talking Can]

Buts it is totally okay to draft the next Tim Couch, Matt Leinart, Colt McCoy, Brandon Weeden, Blaine Gabbert, Brady Quinn, etc.?

Its okay to bust on a 1st round QB, but its not okay to pass on a QB you aren't sure about?

That sounds backasswwards.

Cincy did just fine in 2011.

did you get catapulted here from New Jersey?

[Imon Yourside]

The best QB available is Geno, but that doesn't mean we are drating him. That doesn't mean that Andy Reid and the Chiefs are going to draft Geno #1.


I'm telling you, this is how this is going to work. If Andy Reid and the FO don't think Smith is worth the #1 pick overall, but believe he's the #1 QB fit for them, they aren't going to pull the trigger with the #1 overall. They'll wait for the 2nd round.

I know this might come as a gigantic surprise to you, but unless there is a "once in a generation" guy out there, each team is going to have their own individual rankings for players to fit within their team and only their team. They aren't going to JUST rank them best overall, and they aren't going to draft them best overall.

For all we know, the Chiefs right now could be sold on Bray as their guy. And do you know what they won't do with that #1 pick? Waste it on a QB they can get in the 2nd round, or waste it on the consensus #1 QB "just cause".

Sweet Jesus, its like 99.7% of you are on this "We have to draft the #1 QB with the #1 pick or the Chiefs are dead to me" kick.

Have a little faith in your team for christs sake. If it just so happens that Geno is the #1 guy FOR US, then there is absolutely NO QUESTION that we'll draft him #1 overall.

What you need to remember is that YOU and I do not make that call. The Chiefs do.

It's like the 500th time you caught your wife cheating on you, have a little faith...show me why I should have an inkling of faith. Add to that the fact your best friend who happens to be a supermodel really wants to get serious with ya, a once in a lifetime chance...what do you do in this hypothetical?

[munkey]

Or we could simply resign our stud LT we have now and draft Geno #1, I know it's a new concept to most morons but I figured I would point that out for you.

I seriously don't get the cock slobbering over Geno...he's not a number one pick..period. No. QB of the draft? Maybe but I'll reserve that opinion until after the combine. Reid and Dorsey have already stated quite clearly their drafting philosophy so unless Geno blows everyone away at the combine he's not going be the #1 pick if the draft.

[Imon Yourside]

I seriously don't get the cock slobbering over Geno...he's not a number one pick..period. No. QB of the draft? Maybe but I'll reserve that opinion until after the combine. Reid and Dorsey have already stated quite clearly their drafting philosophy so unless Geno blows everyone away at the combine he's not going be the #1 pick if the draft.

I was reading up until this....

[Deberg_1990]

I seriously don't get the cock slobbering over Geno...he's not a number one pick..period. No. QB of the draft? Maybe but I'll reserve that opinion until after the combine. Reid and Dorsey have already stated quite clearly their drafting philosophy so unless Geno blows everyone away at the combine he's not going be the #1 pick if the draft.

He might not even be at the combine.

[Imon Yourside]

I don't get all the cock slobbing over a LT when we already have one. #1 pick overrall for a LT? seriously? how fucking stupid is it?

[Rasputin]

Buts it is totally okay to draft the next Tim Couch, Matt Leinart, Colt McCoy, Brandon Weeden, Blaine Gabbert, Brady Quinn, etc.?

Its okay to bust on a 1st round QB, but its not okay to pass on a QB you aren't sure about?

That sounds backasswwards.

Cincy did just fine in 2011.

30 years of passing on first round tallent at QB. We have the luxury sitting #1 pick in the draft to pick the best prospect out of the class. Grow a set of balls and take that pick for the QBotf. Risk < reward if we hit gold. With the rookie scale makes it less of a risk anyways. Try again in a few years if it doesn't work out at least we put forth the effort, better than any retread fuck we have had over the years.

[munkey]

Whoa Whoa Whoa, just because Geno might be the #1 QB does not mean he is the #1 option on the big board for the Chiefs. While the QB is the most important position on the team, that doesn't mean the 21 other positions are useless. You don't see phenomenal QBs winning Super Bowls without decent teams around them. You do, however, see Decent QBs win super bowls with Phenomenal teams around them.

The closest we ever got to being a perennial playoff team and repeating our early success of our super bowl era, was under Marty Ball. We didn't have our own QB then, but we did have one hell of a team built, even when our QB wasn't named Montana. And some of you probably couldn't name off 3 QBs under Marty not named Montana, without having to go and google search it.

Also, you're forgetting that the McNabb draft was similar to this draft, there was shit for QB's coming out in that draft and Andy didn't have the #1 selection back then. For all we knew, Tim Couch was his #1 guy lol. My oh my how things would have been different for him.

The point here is, if Andy Reid thinks his guy has a 95% chance of being there in the 2nd, he's not going to draft him #1. He'l draft someone or trade out of the spot, and then trade back in or sit on the pick in the 2nd round.

He has so many options and all you guys can seem to grasp is that he has to take a QB #1 if he thinks that QB won't be there in the second.

I want to use a really good example of smart drafting.

Cincy in the 2011 draft. In a draft full of QB's where only one of them had separated himself as the #1 draft pick (like Geno), Cincy waited for their QB to fall into the second round, and took AJ Green as their first round pick at #4, arguably one of the most complete and physically gifted receivers in the game, rivaling Megatron with those honors. And with their second round pick, #35 overall, the Bengals picked up Andy Dalton. Pretty good fucking QB if you ask me. Unlike Locker, Gabbert, and Ponder, who were all taken after Newton and before Dalton.

They were also the only team to have two pro bowlers from the 1st and 2nd round, might even be the only team to have two pro bowlers from that entire draft.

The point is, we have more needs than just QB, and if Andy Reid thinks we can get our guy in the second, I'm behind it, and against this idiotic push for a #1 overall QB "just because", especially in a year where the QBs suck compared to most years. This draft class has nothing but career backups and maybe 3 guys with potential to really be a true starter in the NFL, and not a Gabbert type starter lol.

This

[Imon Yourside]

This

Well except for that 6 pro bowler thingie... carry on.

[htismaqe]

I seriously don't get the cock slobbering over Geno...he's not a number one pick..period. No. QB of the draft? Maybe but I'll reserve that opinion until after the combine. Reid and Dorsey have already stated quite clearly their drafting philosophy so unless Geno blows everyone away at the combine he's not going be the #1 pick if the draft.

If Geno isn't worth the #1 pick, who is?

Name them.

[AussieChiefsFan]

If Geno isn't worth the #1 pick, who is?

Name them.

^

[Deberg_1990]

Exoter175 sounds like the perfect true fan.


"We cant draft a QB, its too risky!"

"It might set this franchise back years!"

[htismaqe]

I want to use a really good example of smart drafting.

Cincy in the 2011 draft. In a draft full of QB's where only one of them had separated himself as the #1 draft pick (like Geno), Cincy waited for their QB to fall into the second round, and took AJ Green as their first round pick at #4, arguably one of the most complete and physically gifted receivers in the game, rivaling Megatron with those honors. And with their second round pick, #35 overall, the Bengals picked up Andy Dalton. Pretty good fucking QB if you ask me. Unlike Locker, Gabbert, and Ponder, who were all taken after Newton and before Dalton.

They were also the only team to have two pro bowlers from the 1st and 2nd round, might even be the only team to have two pro bowlers from that entire draft.

I'm am so FUCKING SICK of hearing about Andy Dalton.

Andy Dalton SUCKS. He's a high-end game manager. They will NEVER win a Super Bowl with Andy Dalton at QB.

[O.city]

Name the last decent QB with a great team around him to win a SB?

[notorious]

Name the last decent QB with a great team around him to win a SB?

Baltimore!

Tampa Bay!!!


/truefan

[RealSNR]

I want to use a really good example of smart drafting.

Cincy in the 2011 draft. In a draft full of QB's where only one of them had separated himself as the #1 draft pick (like Geno), Cincy waited for their QB to fall into the second round, and took AJ Green as their first round pick at #4, arguably one of the most complete and physically gifted receivers in the game, rivaling Megatron with those honors. And with their second round pick, #35 overall, the Bengals picked up Andy Dalton. Pretty good fucking QB if you ask me. Unlike Locker, Gabbert, and Ponder, who were all taken after Newton and before Dalton.

They were also the only team to have two pro bowlers from the 1st and 2nd round, might even be the only team to have two pro bowlers from that entire draft.

The point is, we have more needs than just QB, and if Andy Reid thinks we can get our guy in the second, I'm behind it, and against this idiotic push for a #1 overall QB "just because", especially in a year where the QBs suck compared to most years. This draft class has nothing but career backups and maybe 3 guys with potential to really be a true starter in the NFL, and not a Gabbert type starter lol.

Where's AJ Green in this draft? He's around as an OT, which is worthless to us. This draft's passrushers suck. Do you want us to take a fucking CB at #1 overall?

That strategy only works when there's an elite non-QB at the very top of the draft. There isn't one of those players there this year, and the hole at QB is far too large to risk waiting until the 2nd round.

Also, fuck Andy Dalton.

[RunKC]

I too must admit I have a bad feeling in my stomach that we are not going to take a QB at 1.

I pray to God I'm wrong.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I seriously don't get the cock slobbering over Geno...he's not a number one pick..period. No. QB of the draft? Maybe but I'll reserve that opinion until after the combine. Reid and Dorsey have already stated quite clearly their drafting philosophy so unless Geno blows everyone away at the combine he's not going be the #1 pick if the draft.

shut your dirty whore mouth.
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[htismaqe]

I too must admit I have a bad feeling in my stomach that we are not going to take a QB at 1.

I pray to God I'm wrong.

If we don't take one at #1, we won't be drafting a QB at all most likely.

The media is starting to come around to understanding that guys like Tyler Wilson and Matt Barkley aren't going to last into the 2nd half of the 1st round.

There literally won't be anything left at #34 but scraps.

[duncan_idaho]

Whoa Whoa Whoa, just because Geno might be the #1 QB does not mean he is the #1 option on the big board for the Chiefs. While the QB is the most important position on the team, that doesn't mean the 21 other positions are useless. You don't see phenomenal QBs winning Super Bowls without decent teams around them. You do, however, see Decent QBs win super bowls with Phenomenal teams around them.

The closest we ever got to being a perennial playoff team and repeating our early success of our super bowl era, was under Marty Ball. We didn't have our own QB then, but we did have one hell of a team built, even when our QB wasn't named Montana. And some of you probably couldn't name off 3 QBs under Marty not named Montana, without having to go and google search it.

Also, you're forgetting that the McNabb draft was similar to this draft, there was shit for QB's coming out in that draft and Andy didn't have the #1 selection back then. For all we knew, Tim Couch was his #1 guy lol. My oh my how things would have been different for him.

The point here is, if Andy Reid thinks his guy has a 95% chance of being there in the 2nd, he's not going to draft him #1. He'l draft someone or trade out of the spot, and then trade back in or sit on the pick in the 2nd round.

He has so many options and all you guys can seem to grasp is that he has to take a QB #1 if he thinks that QB won't be there in the second.

I want to use a really good example of smart drafting.

Cincy in the 2011 draft. In a draft full of QB's where only one of them had separated himself as the #1 draft pick (like Geno), Cincy waited for their QB to fall into the second round, and took AJ Green as their first round pick at #4, arguably one of the most complete and physically gifted receivers in the game, rivaling Megatron with those honors. And with their second round pick, #35 overall, the Bengals picked up Andy Dalton. Pretty good ****ing QB if you ask me. Unlike Locker, Gabbert, and Ponder, who were all taken after Newton and before Dalton.

They were also the only team to have two pro bowlers from the 1st and 2nd round, might even be the only team to have two pro bowlers from that entire draft.

The point is, we have more needs than just QB, and if Andy Reid thinks we can get our guy in the second, I'm behind it, and against this idiotic push for a #1 overall QB "just because", especially in a year where the QBs suck compared to most years. This draft class has nothing but career backups and maybe 3 guys with potential to really be a true starter in the NFL, and not a Gabbert type starter lol.

The push for QB at No. 1 is not "just because." It is "because" if the Chiefs try to wait to draft their QB, they likely will either be drafting the 4th-6th best QB in this draft (and there's no guarantee the guy they want will actually be there) or they will be having to desperately move back up into the first round from No. 34 to take the guy they want before someone else can nab him.

Waiting to get the QB the Chiefs want in Round 2 is not as easy as so many seem to think. Given the number of teams with needs at QB (five beyond KC in the top 8 alone that need one) that vary from BIG to EXTREME, that plan is fraught with risk.

Also, please stop living in the 1990s. I realize that Soundgarden, TLC and Pearl Jam are awesome. But the NFL has moved on. Caretaker QBs with great teams around them don't win anymore.

The CLOSEST you can get in recent years is probably Baltimore with Flacco this year... and they won that game by going to a wide-open passing attack in the second-half of the AFC championship and letting Flacco win it for them. He's no caretaker.

And as for Dalton being SO much better than Locker or Ponder or Gabbert... Dalton, Locker and Ponder are ALL game managers. Dalton is a slightly better game manager than Ponder (who doesn't have gamebreaking receivers like Green to throw to) and Locker is on a terrible team with no offensive weapons, which makes him look really bad. Gabbert is a bust so far, though the situation he's in is the worst of any of these guys.

A good game manager is good enough to help a team with great talent on defense and a good running game make it to the playoffs (See: Cassel, Matt, 2010, or any of the Martyball QBs). But it's not enough to win in the playoffs in the modern NFL unless your defense is historically dominant.

[duncan_idaho]

Oh, also, no Google help here:

Steve DeBerg
Dave Krieg
Rich Gannon (should have stuck with him, damn the NFL 'look')
Steve Bono
Elvis Grbac
Trent Green
Damon Huard
Brodie Croyle
Tyler Thigpen
Matt Cassel
Tyler Palko
Brady Quinn

[DaKCMan AP]

Cincy did just fine in 2011.

They did?

[htismaqe]

Oh, also, no Google help here:

Steve DeBerg
Dave Krieg
Rich Gannon (should have stuck with him, damn the NFL 'look')
Steve Bono
Elvis Grbac
Trent Green
Damon Huard
Brodie Croyle
Tyler Thigpen
Matt Cassel
Tyler Palko
Brady Quinn

That list is just sad, INCLUDING Gannon.

[DaKCMan AP]

That list is just sad, INCLUDING Gannon.

Uh oh.. you're going piss off Gannon's boytoy denise.

[htismaqe]

They did?

Yeah, 10-6 and a playoff loss is AWESOME!

[htismaqe]

Uh oh.. you're going piss off Gannon's boytoy denise.

DNGAF.

[DaKCMan AP]

Yeah, 10-6 and a playoff loss is AWESOME!

To elaborate... 9-7 & 10-6 & 2 playoff losses with stat lines of:

14/30 127yds 0 TD 1 INT
27/42 257yds 0 TD 3 INT

[htismaqe]

To elaborate... 9-7 & 10-6 & 2 playoff losses with stat lines of:

14/30 127yds 0 TD 1 INT
27/42 257yds 0 TD 3 INT

He's almost as awesome as you!

[Deberg_1990]

Oh, also, no Google help here:

Steve DeBerg
Dave Krieg
Rich Gannon (should have stuck with him, damn the NFL 'look')
Steve Bono
Elvis Grbac
Trent Green
Damon Huard
Brodie Croyle
Tyler Thigpen
Matt Cassel
Tyler Palko
Brady Quinn


No love for Mark Vlasic?

[KC_Lee]

No love for Mark Vlasic?

Or Steve Pelluer (sp?)?

[boogblaster]

who knows .....

[Deberg_1990]

Or Steve Pelluer (sp?)?

Yep, if your going back to 89, you have to include him. He started 3 games that year.

Ron Jaworski too. 3 games

[duncan_idaho]

To elaborate... 9-7 & 10-6 & 2 playoff losses with stat lines of:

14/30 127yds 0 TD 1 INT
27/42 257yds 0 TD 3 INT

No better case can be made AGAINST caretaker quarterbacks than this one.

Just look at this year's playoff slate, who the winning QBs are and how they played. Matt Schaub is the WORST QB to win a playoff game this season.

[duncan_idaho]

No love for Mark Vlasic?

I was capping it at 1990 in my mind. Wasn't Vlasic 89?

[htismaqe]

No better case can be made AGAINST caretaker quarterbacks than this one.

Just look at this year's playoff slate, who the winning QBs are and how they played. Matt Schaub is the WORST QB to win a playoff game this season.

There are ton of Chiefs fans that would LOVE to have have Matt Schaub.

[KC_Lee]

I was capping it at 1990 in my mind. Wasn't Vlasic 89?

1991.

[Deberg_1990]

There are ton of Chiefs fans that would LOVE to have have Matt Schaub.

Hes in that same realm as Rivers, Romo, Dalton and Cutler. Plays just good enough, to keep your team from sucking and aquiring a better talent at QB.

[duncan_idaho]

Hes in that same realm as Rivers, Romo, Dalton and Cutler. Plays just good enough, to keep your team from sucking and aquiring a better talent at QB.

Also known as ... good enough to get you to the conference finals but needs help and some luck to get to the Superbowl.

I think Schaub is better than Dalton at this point, but Dalton could get to that level if he improves a bit as he enters his prime years.

[Deberg_1990]

Also known as ... good enough to get you to the conference finals but needs help and some luck to get to the Superbowl.

I think Schaub is better than Dalton at this point, but Dalton could get to that level if he improves a bit as he enters his prime years.

Dalton is still pretty young. He might get better. I think Schaub is going on 10 years in? He never had the strongest arm, and it looks like its getting weaker.