Percy Harvin

[The Bad Guy]

He's going to be available and I think he's the perfect fit offensively here.

Does have the baggage, injury issues, but he's one of the 5 best play makers in the entire league.

Report is the Vikings will shop him for a 2nd rounder.

Would this entice you to pull the trigger?

[RyFo18]

Yes please.

[RealSNR]

Sounds like a headache to me

Badum cha

[Hammock Parties]

Could really ease the transition for Geno. He needs a guy who can do what Tavon did to college defenders with little short passes.

[The Bad Guy]

Reid will take chances on guys with attitudes. Him and Bowe together though? Oh my lord.

[Hammock Parties]

Also I get to absolutely drink blood out of a McCluster skull if this happens. I mean just guzzle it.

[Dunerdr]

Sounds like a headache to me

Badum cha

ROFL

[The Bad Guy]

Could really ease the transition for Geno. He needs a guy who can do what Tavon did to college defenders with little short passes.

He certainly would help the development.

While I'd love to get someone at the top of the 2nd like Brown from K State, adding playmakers to this offense has to be a huge priority.

[tk13]

We missed out on Titus Young. This offseason is already a bust.

[The Bad Guy]

We missed out on Titus Young. This offseason is already a bust.

He is as good as Calvin Johnson. I agree.

[KCrockaholic]

I would JIMP. He's one of my favorite players in the game.

[DeezNutz]

Would hate to move such a high second but wouldn't hesitate with our third.

[DaKCMan AP]

He's fast.

[Hammock Parties]

Would hate to move such a high second but wouldn't hesitate with our third.

After doing dick in the trade market with ***** in town, I don't give a shit. Make a splash. He's worth it. Swing the Walrus balls. This team has 0 top end speed on offense at WR.

[DeezNutz]

He's talented as fuck, but I simply have reservations about moving what's damn near a first-round pick for a player with an injury/health history.

[Hootie]

Indifferent.

I am also in the minority on this site when it comes to draft pick value.

2nd round picks have like a 40% success rate so I think Percy is at least as likely as that for success

[Coogs]

After doing dick in the trade market with ***** in town, I don't give a shit. Make a splash. He's worth it. Swing the Walrus balls. This team has 0 top end speed on offense at WR.

Could be huge in the return game as well. I'd consider it.

Re-sign Albert and Bowe.

1st rounder Geno

2nd rounder Harvin

Pretty good start to making a run at the Bronco's for the West title.

[Setsuna]

Bout time yall get some Gators on that team.

[Hootie]

He's talented as fuck, but I simply have reservations about moving what's damn near a first-round pick for a player with an injury/health history.

Do me a favor...

Go look at the previous 10 years of draft picks from 33-40 and name the players that are better than Percy Harvin.

[milkman]

Could I push for a swap of second round picks and a third for Harvin?

[BigMeatballDave]

3rd, yes.

2nd, no way.

[Unsmooth-Moment]

Could I push for a swap of second round picks and a third for Harvin?

I like this better, but I would do the 2nd outright if that's what it took to get the deal done.

[KCrockaholic]

Bout time yall get some Gators on that team.

We have Brandon Siler.

[milkman]

Do me a favor...

Go look at the previous 10 years of draft picks from 33-40 and name the players that are better than Percy Harvin.

Problem is that Harvin has an extensive injury history, has difficulty staying on the field.

Regardless of success rate of that pick, that's still a premium pick to give up for a player that can not be counted on.

[DeezNutz]

Do me a favor...

Go look at the previous 10 years of draft picks from 33-40 and name the players that are better than Percy Harvin.

Take the last three years as a microcosm, and there are some monsters. Naturally, it's not a given that we'll draft one of these guys; Pioli couldn't if his dick depended on it.

But Harvin isn't a player without flaws, so just pointing to talent is reductive analysis in terms of this potential trade.

[KCrockaholic]

Problem is that Harvin has an extensive injury history, has difficulty staying on the field.

Regardless of success rate of that pick, that's still a premium pick to give up for a player that can not be counted on.

This is true, but when he IS on the field he's one of the best receivers, and all around football players in the game.

[CupidStunt]

Would trade a mid 2nd, I think, but not the 2nd pick in rd2, an absolute premium pick for talent that falls out of rd1. 1st pick in round 3 plus a 6th or future 5th perhaps - no question.

[milkman]

This is true, but when he IS on the field he's one of the best receivers, and all around football players in the game.

True, and if we gave up a second for him, and he suddenly became an iron man, that would be a huge win.

But, that possibility is virtually non existent.

[Hammock Parties]

Actually to be honest...is anyone giving up a 2nd for him?

We might be in great position with the 1st pick in the 3rd to go get him.

[Unsmooth-Moment]

Before this season he missed 3 total games in his first three years. I don't think he is as injury prone as some of you think. He complains about the headaches and shit, but that could be to get out of practice.

[mcaj22]

i guess the value of that 2nd round pick is based on hindsight

if they draft a dline or oline with that pick then i want harvin

if they draft a LBer, FS, CB, WR, TE, QB then i want the pick slot


but knowing Andy Reid its gonna be a big fat guy in the trenches and Harvin is a better value than that

[The Bad Guy]

I'd give them Baldwin and a 3rd if that's what it took. I'd give up a 3rd this year and a 3rd next year if we could keep that 2nd.

I don't think Baldwin will ever be able to get separation.

I think some team will absolutely give up a 2nd for him. He's one of the most dynamic players in the league.

[Mr. Laz]

no thanks

we need to find/develop guys like that not trade for them


just like RB's

[okcchief]

I would be in the middle on this one. I love his talent though, and he might be more content in Reid's system. Definitely wouldn't hate it.

[milkman]

Before this season he missed 3 total games in his first three years. I don't think he is as injury prone as some of you think. He complains about the headaches and shit, but that could be to get out of practice.

True.

However, as he ages, those injuries and ailments become more difficult to play through.

Healing process lengthens.

[Demonpenz]

Here it is....I would wait to see what Reid does with Mcluster.

[mcaj22]

well Reid cant make McCluster any faster who is slow as quicksand

[Deberg_1990]

A case could be made this was the guy Pioli should have drafted over TyJack.

[The Bad Guy]

no thanks

we need to find/develop guys like that not trade for them


just like RB's

What?

Just like RBs? No, it's nothing like RBs.

[Coogs]

Here it is....I would wait to see what Reid does with Mcluster.

How you going to do that? Draft happens before OTA's begin IIRC.

Game changing WR and return specialist in Harvin.

An offense that lines up Bowe, Harvin, Breaston, Moeaki, and Charles along with a young talented offensive line and Geno Smith could be pretty damn good pretty early in the season.

[Mr. Laz]

Here it is....I would wait to see what Reid does with Mcluster.
I bet it's Charles that gets used in various ways.

You get Charles open on short passes so that all he has to do is make a couple of Defensive backs miss and he should be deadly.

[Demonpenz]

Charles is awesome, but I would try Mcluster one more time as a person with playmaking ability on screens/drags/reverses..just to see if maybe it was coach or scheme that sucked. If not than we can bring the Boot Of SUCK down on his ass for good.

[Mr. Laz]

What?

Just like RBs? No, it's nothing like RBs.
sure it is

We need to draft/develop quick,elusive athletes and turn them into weapons.


middle round picks that play with reckless abandon


You draft RB's and KR type guys in the draft every year

[Mr. Laz]

Charles is awesome, but I would try Mcluster one more time as a person with playmaking ability on screens/drags/reverses..just to see if maybe it was coach or scheme that sucked. If not than we can bring the Boot Of SUCK down on his ass for good.
He'll use both if they are capable

[Demonpenz]

it would be nice...just not going 3 and out would be nice.

[The Bad Guy]

sure it is

We need to draft/develop quick,elusive athletes and turn them into weapons.


middle round picks that play with reckless abandon


You draft RB's and KR type guys in the draft every year

Yeah, it's really that simple.

Please. Harvin is an exceptional talent.

[Setsuna]

We have Brandon Siler.

He's average though. I mean playmakers.

[Jerm]

In a heartbeat....

Also wonder if the Eagles would be tempted to move Maclin...know he's injured a lot but I still believe he can be a dynamic playmaker.

[Deberg_1990]

Maclin or Harvin? They each have similar stats.

[BlackHelicopters]

Dude is fast.

[Titty Meat]

No not for a 2nd theres a lot if great talent at wr in this draft.

[Mr. Laz]

Yeah, it's really that simple.

Please. Harvin is an exceptional talent.I'm not specifically against Harvin.

I just think our system should be about drafting and developing those guys.

You get in the habit of trading for them and you lose draft picks,they cost more, don't last as long and they are often not as productive once with you.

[BossChief]

He is on the last year of his contract for just under 3 million...I think I'd rather just draft a kid.

1) he is gonna need a new contract. How much financial commitment would be reasonable for just the receivers? Bowe$ + Harvin$ = ?

2) migrane and concussion issues.


3) lots of good receivers (including the possibility of Tavon Austin) should be available at 34.

[Hootie]

I just wish people on this board would go do some draft research.

I just went from 2007 through 2009 (just 3 years) and I didn't see one guy in our 2nd round pick range that is NEARLY as valuable as Percy Harvin.

If we landed a Percy Harvin equal talent at 34 it would be a GIGANTIC win and literally a 5 percenter...

this board DRASTICALLY overvalues draft picks from the 2nd round and below...I love the draft. It excites me greatly.

The last Patriots GREAT draft was when they flipped a 2nd and 7th for Welker and a 4th for Moss.

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

After the NFL Dream Team Experience, Reid might still be rollercoaster queasy.

[DeezNutz]

I just wish people on this board would go do some draft research.

I just went from 2007 through 2009 (just 3 years) and I didn't see one guy in our 2nd round pick range that is NEARLY as valuable as Percy Harvin.

If we landed a Percy Harvin equal talent at 34 it would be a GIGANTIC win and literally a 5 percenter...

this board DRASTICALLY overvalues draft picks from the 2nd round and below...I love the draft. It excites me greatly.

The last Patriots GREAT draft was when they flipped a 2nd and 7th for Welker and a 4th for Moss.

I couldn't give a fuck what those frauds in NE have done in the draft.

Look at the last three years of second-round picks, particularly picks made in the first half of the second round.

[Bowser]

We need another receiver in the worst way, and that's provided we keep Bowe.

Harvin is a great talent, but am I crazy to not want to trade our second rounder for him, despite Hootie thinking second rounders aren't worth it?

If I had my way, I'd trade McCluster and our third for Harvin, draft the best corner we could find with the second rounder, and throw some cash at Maclin to get him here (I think he's a FA?).

[DJ's left nut]

sure it is

We need to draft/develop quick,elusive athletes and turn them into weapons.


middle round picks that play with reckless abandon


You draft RB's and KR type guys in the draft every year

Percy Harvin isn't 'a KR type guy'.

He's one of the top 10 receivers and playmakers in the league. He has great hands, runs good routes and is as explosive as they come. He was on his way to an MVP season last year, if you hadn't noticed.

You're acting like Harvin is Devon Wylie or eve Devin Hester. He's not. Percy Harvin is an absolutely outstanding player and we need to acquire guys like that, not 'draft or find' them. It doesn't matter how we get them, especially when they're 24 years old. You're not going to get a guy that's better than Harvin with your 2nd rounder this year. You might get a guy as good as him, but even that is extremely unlikely.

My only hesitation here is that the Chiefs 2nd rounder this year could easily become a 1st rounder in 2014 with a 3rd this season thrown in. It's an incredibly valuable pick and I'd hate to surrender it.

There's an argument against this trade, but yours just doesn't make a damn bit of sense.

[Bowser]

Bowe, Harvin, Maclin, Charles, and Geno.

Damn

[tk13]

Bowe, Harvin, Maclin, Charles, and Geno.

Damn

Don't forget McCluster.

[Hootie]

McCluster and Baldwin have zero trade value.

My Patriots point was...

they threw picks at teams for A PROVEN HALL OF FAMER and an up and coming versatile player that they felt fit their system and look what happened...

Percy has top 10 talent...perhaps a 2 cent brain I'm not sure.

If the Vikings called up and said "34 for Percy" the Chiefs would probably be fools to not agree. He's 24.

[Hootie]

Bowe, Harvin, Maclin, Charles, and Geno.

Damn

PIPE dream. Put down the controller.

[DeezNutz]

Percy Harvin isn't 'a KR type guy'.

He's one of the top 10 receivers and playmakers in the league. He has great hands, runs good routes and is as explosive as they come. He was on his way to an MVP season last year, if you hadn't noticed.

You're acting like Harvin is Devon Wylie or eve Devin Hester. He's not. Percy Harvin is an absolutely outstanding player and we need to acquire guys like that, not 'draft or find' them. It doesn't matter how we get them, especially when they're 24 years old. You're not going to get a guy that's better than Harvin with your 2nd rounder this year. You might get a guy as good as him, but even that is extremely unlikely.

My only hesitation here is that the Chiefs 2nd rounder this year could easily become a 1st rounder in 2014 with a 3rd this season thrown in. It's an incredibly valuable pick and I'd hate to surrender it.

There's an argument against this trade, but yours just doesn't make a damn bit of sense.

Would love to make that trade with a team looking to snag a QB at the top of the second, particularly since that team will almost assuredly be a sack of shit.

[DeezNutz]

Don't forget McCluster.

And Baldwin.

[Shaid]

We have a high 2nd, I'd take him for a 3rd.

[Dunerdr]

Assuming hes part of the right 53 l would pull the trigger. What team in our division has a secondary to handle this? Odds of finding this talent in the draft? Odds of finding him At the pick wed give up? If having Adrian and percy is like having two Michael jordans whats bowe harvin And charles?

[tecumseh]

I'd take Harvin and swap 2nd's. If that's rejected, then, Chiefs 2nd for Harvin, Vikes 3rd and 6th.

[Hootie]

I'd take Harvin and swap 2nd's. If that's rejected, then, Chiefs 2nd for Harvin, Vikes 3rd and 6th.

ROFL

Lets just give them a 7th straight up for Harvin. That seems fair.

[Hootie]

Assuming hes part of the right 53 l would pull the trigger. What team in our division has a secondary to handle this? Odds of finding this talent in the draft? Odds of finding him At the pick wed give up? If having Adrian and percy is like having two Michael jordans whats bowe harvin And charles?

Three and a half Kobe's?

[Chiefshrink]

He's talented as ****, but I simply have reservations about moving what's damn near a first-round pick for a player with an injury/health history.

This. No thx !:shake:

[KCrockaholic]

I'd give them Baldwin and a 3rd if that's what it took. I'd give up a 3rd this year and a 3rd next year if we could keep that 2nd.

I don't think Baldwin will ever be able to get separation.

I think some team will absolutely give up a 2nd for him. He's one of the most dynamic players in the league.
Id have no problem giving them Baldwin and our 3rd. Baldwin is considered a bust in my eyes.

[Bowser]

Don't forget McCluster.In my scenario, he's in Minnesota as part of the trade for Harvin.

McCluster and Baldwin have zero trade value.

My Patriots point was...

they threw picks at teams for A PROVEN HALL OF FAMER and an up and coming versatile player that they felt fit their system and look what happened...

Percy has top 10 talent...perhaps a 2 cent brain I'm not sure.

If the Vikings called up and said "34 for Percy" the Chiefs would probably be fools to not agree. He's 24.

Baldwin and/or McCluster by themselves would be a net worth of dick on their own, that's why I'd make them part of the package deal.

As far as throwing picks out for Randy Moss, the Raiders were fucking retards to let Moss go for a fourth rounder. Crazy Al had already lost his marbles by then, apparently. Trading for Welker was shrewd on their part, especially considering what they had given up and what Welker had been in his career to that point.

And yeah, it would be hard to turn down the trade offer. I don't know much about corner depth in the draft this year. All I know that corner is our next biggest need behind QB this offseason thus far. Is there anybody that can make an impact at that position in round 3 or later?

Honestly, Harvin would probably be the better get between him and a starting corner, I'd say.

[DJ's left nut]

Would love to make that trade with a team looking to snag a QB at the top of the second, particularly since that team will almost assuredly be a sack of shit.

Right.

We could really turn that 2nd into a hell of an asset if we use it correctly. And with the new CBA making veterans more expensive (by reallocating draft dollars), there's a very good argument to be made that the team is better served by flipping that 2nd into a 1st next season and saving the money it would've taken to extend Harvin to use on someone like, say, Justin Houston.

But on a from a pure talent standpoint, we're not going to do any better than Percy Harvin with that pick.

[tecumseh]

ROFL

Lets just give them a 7th straight up for Harvin. That seems fair.

Patience. Let's see how it plays out , princess.

[KevB]

It's hard to say yes or no in a vacuum. If money isn't an issue, I trade that in a heartbeat for a 24 year old uber-playmaker. Every day and twice on Sunday. The chances that we draft a game-changer like that at 34 has to be at 5% or so. Put Geno out there with those two receivers, Charles in the backfield and a pretty solid OLine and you have the makings of a great offense for several years.

However, you sign him to an extension and bring back Bowe? As has been said, that's a lot invested in your WR's. Then do you also have the money to bring back Albert? What about upgrading the secondary and replenishing the DLine? Tough call. I'd try to give the 3rd and another pick or another 3rd from the following year.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

I would consider our 2nd and 3rd for their 2nd and Harvin.

[Hoover]

For our 3rd? Maybe, but not our second round pick.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Could I push for a swap of second round picks and a third for Harvin?

Already beat me to it.

[58-4ever]

I would consider our 2nd and 3rd for their 2nd and Harvin.

This is probably one of the more fair trades I can think of. (only if we draft QB number one though.) Harvin would look great taking those short, quick passes that Geno threw so often to Bailey and Austin.

[shitgoose]

I'd trade our 2nd for Harvin straight up any day and twice on Sunday. Harvin is a guy that opposing D's have to game plan and scheme for every week. You can never have too many of those type of players on your team in their prime (Age 24).

[58-4ever]

Geno throwing short outs to Harvin and Bowe to set up the long ball. I love it. Let's move the fucking ball this year.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Maclin or Harvin? They each have similar stats.

Maclin. He's not as explosive, but he's far more dependable and carries far less baggage.

[Chiefshrink]

Maclin. He's not as explosive, but he's far more dependable and carries far less baggage.

And a local kid.

[Coogs]

Didn't realize he is only 24.

1st pick of the 3rd round is a very good negotiating position. Makes any other team pony up that 2nd to beat us out for starters.

[Dunerdr]

Three and a half Kobe's?

Better than the on KD we have? Wait what does that mean rape wise? Oh well worked for pittsburgh...

[58-4ever]

And a local kid.

who really gives a shit about this? Whether we find impact players in Finland, Kansas or South Africa, I really don't care.

[Chiefshrink]

who really gives a shit about this? Whether we find impact players in Finland, Kansas or South Africa, I really don't care.

A local kid who produces is always good in restoring the fan base as quickly as possible since it has not been so kosher in KC lately these last 4yrs. But I get your point.

[58-4ever]

A local kid who produces is always good in restoring the fan base as quickly as possible since it has not been so kosher in KC lately these last 4yrs. But I get your point.

I see your point too but it reeks of desperation. i.e. Tebow to the Jags.

[lcarus]

Would hate to move such a high second but wouldn't hesitate with our third.

At least we'd trade that 2nd knowing we're gettin a great player. If we just keep the pick and use it to draft...who knows what we'll get.

[Chiefshrink]

I see your point too but it reeks of desperation. i.e. Tebow to the Jags.

Maclin vs Tebow ??? Maclin a desperation move ? Seriously ??? No way ! Maclin is a proven NFL player that produces 'consistently' But Tebow to Jags IS desperation as you say.

[SAUTO]

No one is worried about his issues with coaches?

The guy is a fucking head case
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[O.city]

The head case part is scary. Def a crazy talent tho

[Hootie]

I just think of how much better of an offense we'd have next year with GSIII, Harvin, a signed and happy Bowe, a signed and happy Albert, another year of maturation, and then pick up a few more pieces in the draft/free agency.

On paper we could look damn good.

...but that's what we all thought last year, too

[Demonpenz]

a non weed smoking tamba would be swell as well

[Titty Meat]

Right.

We could really turn that 2nd into a hell of an asset if we use it correctly. And with the new CBA making veterans more expensive (by reallocating draft dollars), there's a very good argument to be made that the team is better served by flipping that 2nd into a 1st next season and saving the money it would've taken to extend Harvin to use on someone like, say, Justin Houston.

But on a from a pure talent standpoint, we're not going to do any better than Percy Harvin with that pick.

Darick Rodgers 2.2 dudes Green/Jones with baggage

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Actually to be honest...is anyone giving up a 2nd for him?

We might be in great position with the 1st pick in the 3rd to go get him.

Yep. That right there. Definitely a 1st pick in the 3rd rd is his value.

[The Bad Guy]

We have a high 2nd, I'd take him for a 3rd.

If the Vikings let Harvin walk next year, they get a comp third.

Enough of the "I'll take him for a 3rd" bullshit. You know who else would take him for a 3rd, every ****ing team in the NFL. He's going to cost more than a 3rd.

[Chief3188]

If the Vikings let Harvin walk next year, they get a comp third.

Enough of the "I'll take him for a 3rd" bullshit. You know who else would take him for a 3rd, every ****ing team in the NFL.

I agree that someone will take him for a 2nd. I would love to have him but I am also of the opinion that the first pick in the 2nd round is too high a price. Maybe in a year or two when this team has finally taken form it might be worth it for a player like him at this stage in his career but not now really.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

If the Vikings let Harvin walk next year, they get a comp third.

Enough of the "I'll take him for a 3rd" bullshit. You know who else would take him for a 3rd, every ****ing team in the NFL. He's going to cost more than a 3rd.

Yeah, but nobody else has the #1 pick in the 3rd., which is essentially the 65th pick in the 1st.

[DaKCMan AP]

I agree that someone will take him for a 2nd. I would love to have him but I am also of the opinion that the first pick in the 2nd round is too high a price. Maybe in a year or two when this team has finally taken form it might be worth it for a player like him at this stage in his career but not now really.


Wha?

[The Bad Guy]

I agree that someone will take him for a 2nd. I would love to have him but I am also of the opinion that the first pick in the 2nd round is too high a price. Maybe in a year or two when this team has finally taken form it might be worth it for a player like him at this stage in his career but not now really.

He's 24 years old.

[rtmike]

Would hate to move such a high second but wouldn't hesitate with our third.

Agreed, maybe a '14 2nd rounder?

[cosmo20002]

Pretty much a guaranteed injury, but he'd be nice to have the other 10 weeks.

[BossChief]

If the Vikings let Harvin walk next year, they get a comp third.

Enough of the "I'll take him for a 3rd" bullshit. You know who else would take him for a 3rd, every ****ing team in the NFL. He's going to cost more than a 3rd.

They would only get a comp pick if they let him and a couple others walk and didnt sign anybody to replace them.

Even then, the pick is at the end of the third round.

Our third is at the top of the third, at least 32 slots earlier than a comp third, that they would get the following year.

One also has to realize that whoever trades for him is doing so for him on what is basically a 1 year contract and he will probably require a big extension and we already have Bowe and Albert to pay.

[RyFo18]

I'd give a 2nd and a 4th...I don't give a rip.

[DJ's left nut]

Darick Rodgers 2.2 dudes Green/Jones with baggage

Baggage is selling him a bit short. The guy's a trainwreck that makes Harvin look like a choir boy.

I'd look at him in the 3rd, but I'm not using 2.2 on a me-first guy that got thrown out of a program as lax as Tennessee.

[Micjones]

I'd prefer Tavon Awesome with that R2.

[Chief3188]

He's 24 years old.

Damn. I was thinking he was like 27. Well maybe I change my vote then.

[Chief3188]

Wha?

You simple boy? :)

[Titty Meat]

Baggage is selling him a bit short. The guy's a trainwreck that makes Harvin look like a choir boy.

I'd look at him in the 3rd, but I'm not using 2.2 on a me-first guy that got thrown out of a program as lax as Tennessee.

Most WRs are. The guy could be OJ Simpson id take him if hes Green or Jones hood

[DJ's left nut]

Most WRs are. The guy could be OJ Simpson id take him if hes Green or Jones hood

Green and Jones are as good as they are because they put the work in.

This kid won't. He's been beating guys up on wrong talent at Tennessee Tech; when he starts going against athletes as good as he is, he's going to fold.

Charles Rogers redux. Worlds of talent without the drive to put it to use or the impulse control to get the chance. I'd deal 2.2 away for picks next season before I used it on this guy.

[Hootie]

you know what team will land Harvin?

The Patriots.

He's exactly what that team needs...and Belichick is the king of trading. Shit, he might even give them their 1st. He fits their only need on offense...someone to take the top off the defense.

[Hootie]

I'd give them our 2nd and not blink twice...but that's as far as I would go. I wouldn't add a 5th, or a 4th, or a player...

if the Chiefs want him, shoot them that offer, and see if anyone beats it.

Pretty simple.

[58-4ever]

Maclin vs Tebow ??? Maclin a desperation move ? Seriously ??? No way ! Maclin is a proven NFL player that produces 'consistently' But Tebow to Jags IS desperation as you say.

No, what I'm saying is that grabbing a local guy because they are local is desperation. I'm not commenting on Maclin specifically.

[Hootie]

but like I said...if the Patriots resigned Welker and added Harvin to go along with Gronk and Hernandez? That's exactly what that team needs and everyone knows it. That's a Belichick dream trade.

[Hootie]

I'd also gladly give up our 3rd for Maclin if we can't get Harvin...and wouldn't be mad about giving up our 2nd for him, either.

[BossChief]

Is a guy like Percy Harvin worth 8 million per year more than a guy like Tavon Austin?

[Hootie]

I don't know...I've seen Percy Harvin perform at an ELITE level in the NFL without any help at the QB position. I haven't seen Tavon Austin do that yet.

[ChiefsCountry]

Is a guy like Percy Harvin worth 8 million per year more than a guy like Tavon Austin?

Yes. Tavon Austin isn't near the player that Percy Harvin is.

[Hootie]

Percy is basically what Pioli wanted Dexter to be...

Peterson went down and Harvin started rushing for TD's...

the dude is ELECTRIC. An absolute playmaker. That's what I want out of the early rounds in the draft...if we can flip 34 for Percy that's a total win any way you look at it.

First 3 rounds should be fucking playmakers ONLY...you can find your tackles and guards elsewhere...same with DL...

teams win because of A.J. Green and Tom Brady, not because of David DeCastro, Glenn Dorsey, and Chilo Rachal.

[Titty Meat]

Green and Jones are as good as they are because they put the work in.

This kid won't. He's been beating guys up on wrong talent at Tennessee Tech; when he starts going against athletes as good as he is, he's going to fold.

Charles Rogers redux. Worlds of talent without the drive to put it to use or the impulse control to get the chance. I'd deal 2.2 away for picks next season before I used it on this guy.

He had a 1,000 yard season as a sophomore in the SEC.

[fairladyZ]

he wants 10 millon a year and has been in face to face altercations with 2 coaches on 3 different occasions.. I like the kids skillset but i'm not sure he's worth it. He is a me-first player and is a cry baby at that asking for a trade this offseason.
Don't think he's worth 10mil or our 2nd rounder. Would rather keep bowe and draft/sign someone else.

[Sorter]

If I'm Belichick, I'm calling the Vikings as soon as I can.

[NJChiefsFan]

Also I get to absolutely drink blood out of a McCluster skull if this happens. I mean just guzzle it.

. Swing the Walrus balls.

LMAO Two in a row.

[Fritz88]

Yes.
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[Sure-Oz]

I'll be pissed if the Patriots get him...

That said they should try to make a trade i think a 3rd and smething else

[ChiefAshhole20]

I think he has been such a shithead because he wasnt getting paid what he thought he deserved. Baldwin and a 3rd?? They signed Jerome Simpson last year because they wanted a deep threat and he blew. I feel like Baldwin has talent but wouldn't fit in a WC, so give him to a team that would need a young cheap deep threat, and use the money that we're about to get from restructuring/cutting Cassel and TJax on a young explosive playmaker that is ideal for a first overall pick QB transitioning into the NFL with a WC offense.

[Hootie]

lets just trade them Cassel, TJax, McCluster and Baldwin. That oughtta do it! If they need a little something extra I guess we can throw in Stanzi too.

[O.city]

Not sure if it was posted, but saw on twitter they were to ask for a 2 and a 4.

[SAUTO]

I think he has been such a shithead because he wasnt getting paid what he thought he deserved. Baldwin and a 3rd?? They signed Jerome Simpson last year because they wanted a deep threat and he blew. I feel like Baldwin has talent but wouldn't fit in a WC, so give him to a team that would need a young cheap deep threat, and use the money that we're about to get from restructuring/cutting Cassel and TJax on a young explosive playmaker that is ideal for a first overall pick QB transitioning into the NFL with a WC offense.
He choke slammed a coach in college.
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[Sorter]

He choke slammed a coach in college.
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Coach shouldn't have dressed like a slut. He was asking for it.

[SAUTO]

Coach shouldn't have dressed like a slut. He was asking for it.

Qft
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[Hootie]

I predict that this is going to end up like Santonio Holmes. Santonio went for a 5th and everyone was all like "omg wtf bbq damnit pioli carl!" and then he really didn't do anything besides alienate all of his teammates and make everyone hate him so uh...

yeah

can't wait for Percy to go for a 4th and then see the board erupt with anger.

for the record, I think Percy now >>>>>> Santonio then, though.

[ChiefAshhole20]

Should've paid him...

[O.city]

I predict that this is going to end up like Santonio Holmes. Santonio went for a 5th and everyone was all like "omg wtf bbq damnit ***** carl!" and then he really didn't do anything besides alienate all of his teammates and make everyone hate him so uh...

yeah

can't wait for Percy to go for a 4th and then see the board erupt with anger.

for the record, I think Percy now >>>>>> Santonio then, though.

Well, Holmes situation was a little different. Harvin is 24 and is a potential MVP type player.


His mental problems and off the field issues scare me though.

[Hootie]

different?

Holmes was a Super Bowl MVP/former 1st round pick who was traded when he was 25 years old...

not sure how that constitutes as...different. Really, in any way.

[O.city]

different?

Holmes was a Super Bowl MVP/former 1st round pick who was traded when he was 25 years old...

not sure how that constitutes as...different. Really, in any way.

Different type players, didn't communicate that very well.


But yeah, this could be a similar situation in the end.

[ChiefAshhole20]

Holmes was never a running/No.1WR/KR/MVP threat

[Hootie]

Holmes was never a running/No.1WR/KR/MVP threat

he was a 1st round WR that was very productive and won a Super Bowl MVP

I'm not saying he's as good or as valuable as Harvin...but people on this very board were SHOCKED and APPALLED he went for a 5th and we wouldn't offer anything better.

[Sorter]

While I could see someone pulling the trigger and trading a 2nd, I think he'll go for a 3rd due to his contract/issues.

[Sorter]

he was a 1st round WR that was very productive and won a Super Bowl MVP

I'm not saying he's as good or as valuable as Harvin...but people on this very board were SHOCKED and APPALLED he went for a 5th and we wouldn't offer anything better.

Holmes was too high strung for Pioli. I was shocked that he only went for a 5th as well.

[O.city]

I'd be hard pressed not to give up a third for him, dude is such a dynamic playmaker.

[CaliforniaChief]

I like the idea of Harvin on this team. Not enough for a 2nd, but I'd seriously think about offering our third rounder, especially if we get a compensatory pick at the end of the third.

But I'd also like the idea of having the chance to talk to him first so we can see what his mindset is before pulling that off.

[BossChief]

I don't know...I've seen Percy Harvin perform at an ELITE level in the NFL without any help at the QB position. I haven't seen Tavon Austin do that yet.

Austin doesn't come with the baggage and already has three years of chemistry with Geno.

I bet he has an impressive combine.

[Hootie]

as long as we take Bailey in the 3rd, too

[BossChief]

Austin will also cost nearly nothing when Harvin will want PAID.

That obey can be spent elsewhere.

Bowe
Breaston
Austin
Wylie
Baldwin
McCluster

That's a good receiving corps for Geno.

[Hootie]

I think we should cut Breaston. Dude is done IMHO.

[ChiefsCountry]

Tavon Austin is 5'9. Percy Harvin is 5'11. Harvin has proven he can play in the NFL and at a high level. Pay him the money.

[Strongside]

I think we should cut Breaston. Dude is done IMHO.

But bro, his poetry is amazing.

[Hootie]

lets just pump McCluster full of deer antler spray and hope for the best

[BossChief]

20 million on 2 receivers?

[Hootie]

20 million on 2 receivers?

20 million on 2 CBs?

[Strongside]

Tavon Austin is 5'9. Percy Harvin is 5'11. Harvin has proven he can play in the NFL and at a high level. Pay him the money.

Tom Cruise is 5'7 or something and he was pretty good in Top Gun. What's your beef with short people?

[BossChief]

I wonder what Jennings will be looking for...

[Hootie]

probably 5 for 50

seems like the standard for the borderline WR1s

[Bump]

Honestly, I'd rather keep Bowe than pick up Harvin. The 2 of them together would be sick. But Harvin has a less than great reputation, but that doesn't mean that I wouldn't take a chance, because he's one hell of a talent.

[BossChief]

20 million on 2 CBs?

Them just adding an accurate quarterback will make the receivers on this team much better.

I'd like to see where we are, in terms of cap space, if we re-sign Albert and Bowe to reasonable contracts.

[mcaj22]

Them just adding an accurate quarterback will make the receivers on this team much better.

I'd like to see where we are, in terms of cap space, if we re-sign Albert and Bowe to reasonable contracts.

how does add an accurate QB make the receivers better?

maybe production wise, but as it stands now we have only ONE established NFL WR under contract, and the other we will find out in less than a month if the new FO plans to keep him around

an accurate QB still wont teach Baldwin how to break the press and run a crisp route or McCluster how to run faster/not fumble/not suck. That's on them, and if they cant establish themselves with a new QB, they need to go.

[Titty Meat]

20 million on 2 CBs?

Not signing Carr to a 10 mil a year contract wasn't a mistake. Not finding a capable #2 CB was.

[Imon Yourside]

3rd + Matt Cassel would be just fine. :D

[MotherfuckerJones]

This would be an interesting pickup. There's going to be teams that will trade a second for him im sure. So Id take Geno 1, trade 34 for Percy Harvin because although we have 1st pick in rd 3, some team in rd 2 will trade for him. I would love to also trade next years 3 for Jeremy Maclin which making it conditional if he has certain accomplishments wouldnt be a bad idea. Lets roll Bowe, Maclin, Harvin, Breaston and DMC out there. Id trade Baldwin during the draft. Id re-sign Bowe, and Maclin and see how Harvin does this year. Harvin, Charles, Maclin on the same field could be like watching fireworks

[MotherfuckerJones]

TBG, have you heard any rumblings on who KC is targeting through free agency and trade?

[mcaj22]

TBG, have you heard any rumblings on who KC is targeting through free agency and trade?

and how is this possible yet.

[Hoover]

I'm sure Toub would love to have a guy like Harvin

[Hootie]

This would be an interesting pickup. There's going to be teams that will trade a second for him im sure. So Id take Geno 1, trade 34 for Percy Harvin because although we have 1st pick in rd 3, some team in rd 2 will trade for him. I would love to also trade next years 3 for Jeremy Maclin which making it conditional if he has certain accomplishments wouldnt be a bad idea. Lets roll Bowe, Maclin, Harvin, Breaston and DMC out there. Id trade Baldwin during the draft. Id re-sign Bowe, and Maclin and see how Harvin does this year. Harvin, Charles, Maclin on the same field could be like watching fireworks

I'm only ok with this if we trade next years 1st for Russell Wilson and take Chance Womack #1 overall

[Hootie]

I mean Tony Womack

[Bewbies]

Wasn't Chilly the coach when they drafted him? I'm sure he'll have a lot of input for Reid as to whether or not Harvin is worth bringing in.

[MotherfuckerJones]

and how is this possible yet.

Theyre getting their Free Agency plan together so they have a list of targets im sure

[mcaj22]

Theyre getting their Free Agency plan together so they have a list of targets im sure

franchise tags havent even opened yet so there isnt even close to a full FA picture yet

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

He certainly would help the development.

While I'd love to get someone at the top of the 2nd like Brown from K State, adding playmakers to this offense has to be a huge priority.

id be down with Brown. Kid is beastly.
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[keg in kc]

I'd do it if only to prevent spending a second on a retread QB.

[TimeForWasp]

It makes me wonder why they are trading him away.

[jspchief]

3rd, yes.

2nd, no way.

My first thought was, if they are asking for a 2nd, the first pick in the 3rd will get him. That's assuming no one is offering an earlier pick.

There will be good players at position of need at our 2nd pick. Would like to keep it if possible. Not that I don't think Harvin is worth it, but the idea of that high pick plus what his new contract will cost us seems like a steep price.

[doomy3]

I'd give a second in a heartbeat. That's contingent on being able to re-sign him to a deal, but he is one of the most electric players in the NFL and is 24 years old. This is a no brainer.

[Hammock Parties]

Lets roll Bowe, Maclin, Harvin, Breaston and DMC out there.

LMAO

One of these things is not like the others.

Cut DMC.

[htismaqe]

He's going to be available and I think he's the perfect fit offensively here.

Does have the baggage, injury issues, but he's one of the 5 best play makers in the entire league.

Report is the Vikings will shop him for a 2nd rounder.

Would this entice you to pull the trigger?

YES.

Harvin would provide the perfect safety blanket for a rookie QB...

[MotherfuckerJones]

LMAO

One of these things is not like the others.

Cut DMC.

I don't care cut him lol doesn't bug me

[MahiMike]

he'd be our Desean Jackson - only better.

[RyFo18]

We could just tape a cheetah to McCluster's back and save our draft picks.

[DaKCMan AP]

We could just tape McCluster to a cheetah's back and save our draft picks.

FYP

[Sorter]

FYP

LMAO

[Red And Yellow]

would be nice to have a return threat, haven't had one since Hall... With the baggage make me wonder with Jon Baldwin already punched Jones last season all he needs is someone like Percy making him worse. ( is Jon retarded Jones arms are the size of my head) Not that I'm big on Baldwin he has his moments though. All in All I like Harvin as an athlete maybe all he needs is a change of scenery

[houstonwhodat]

He likes to smoke a lot of weed. He should play for the Donkies.

[Easy 6]

I'd give them Baldwin and a 3rd if that's what it took. I'd give up a 3rd this year and a 3rd next year if we could keep that 2nd.

That seems like a reasonable deal, dude would be a massive risk but if it panned out that deal would be a winner.

[Mr. Laz]

Harvin is expected to hold out under current deal
Posted by Mike Florio on February 11, 2013, 1:49 PM EST

AP
With so much talk about what the Vikings want to do with receiver Percy Harvin, there hasn’t been much talk about what Harvin wants to do with the Vikings.

And Harvin, at this stage of his career, wants to get paid.

Last year, when Harvin asked for a trade, he wasn’t unhappy with his financial situation. But he then viewed 2012 as a contract year. Which means that, even with one year left on his rookie deal, Harvin wants a new contract.

And he could be preparing to take a stand in order to get it. Per a league source, Harvin currently is expected to stay away from offseason workouts and training camp absent a new deal.

He’s due to make $2.9 million in 2013. It’s unclear what he wants, but high-end wideouts earn at or about eight figures annually.

And while it’s also unclear whether Harvin wants to stay in Minnesota, whether the Vikings will pay him what he wants surely has a lot to do with whether he’ll want to stay.

Because Harvin has four years of service, he could stay away from training camp and skip up to 10 weeks of the regular season while still getting credit toward the final year of his contract and becoming an unrestricted free agent next year. Though he would face significant fines and the loss of multiple game checks, a holdout is likely unless he signs a new contract.

[htismaqe]

He likes to smoke a lot of weed. He should play for the Donkies.

He'd fit in fine with some of our defensive guys.

[mcaj22]

lol miss 10 weeks of the regular season

Harvin would do something like that too

[ptlyon]

Head case. Literally.

[OnTheWarpath15]

So the Vikings, who have spent every day the past 4 years dealing with Harvin, are looking to deal him.

That tells me everything I need to know.

Pass.

Not interested in giving up a R2 or R3 pick for a guy with a history of being a massive fucktard, regardless of how talented he is when he decides to play. Dude's had issues at every level of the game. That's not gonna change.

A draft pick and a Brinks truck of cash for that?

No thanks.

[RyFo18]

I'm duplicating this post from another forum I posted on, but I did a little research on Percy Harvin:

Harvin has 280 receptions, 3302 yards and 20 TDs through his first 4 years. He also didn't play 7 games this year. So I did a search on ProFootballReference to see what other players have posted receptions, yards, and TD number higher than this in their first 4 seasons. Here are the players:

Moss, Holt, Boldin, Fitzgerald, Sterling Sharpe, Isaac Bruce, Marvin Harrison, Chad Johnson, Andre Rison, Keyshawn Johnson, Marques Colston, Brandon Marshall, and Al Toon. 13 other players.

Harvin also has 107 carries for 683 yards (6.4 ypc) and 4 rushing TDs in his career.

Players that have 5 kick return TDs in their first 4 seasons? Him and Josh Cribbs.

[mcaj22]

I'm duplicating this post from another forum I posted on, but I did a little research on Percy Harvin:

Harvin has 280 receptions, 3302 yards and 20 TDs through his first 4 years. He also didn't play 7 games this year. So I did a search on ProFootballReference to see what other players have posted receptions, yards, and TD number higher than this in their first 4 seasons. Here are the players:

Moss, Holt, Boldin, Fitzgerald, Sterling Sharpe, Isaac Bruce, Marvin Harrison, Chad Johnson, Andre Rison, Keyshawn Johnson, Marques Colston, Brandon Marshall, and Al Toon. 13 other players.

Harvin also has 107 carries for 683 yards (6.4 ypc) and 4 rushing TDs in his career.

Players that have 5 kick return TDs in their first 4 seasons? Him and Josh Cribbs.

and most of those guys played with real QBs.

Harvins had what, one year of a old end of career Brett Favre

[OnTheWarpath15]

I'm duplicating this post from another forum I posted on, but I did a little research on Percy Harvin:

Harvin has 280 receptions, 3302 yards and 20 TDs through his first 4 years. He also didn't play 7 games this year. So I did a search on ProFootballReference to see what other players have posted receptions, yards, and TD number higher than this in their first 4 seasons. Here are the players:

Moss, Holt, Boldin, Fitzgerald, Sterling Sharpe, Isaac Bruce, Marvin Harrison, Chad Johnson, Andre Rison, Keyshawn Johnson, Marques Colston, Brandon Marshall, and Al Toon. 13 other players.

Harvin also has 107 carries for 683 yards (6.4 ypc) and 4 rushing TDs in his career.

Players that have 5 kick return TDs in their first 4 seasons? Him and Josh Cribbs.

Funny, there's a guy we know that smoked those numbers in his first 4 years, on five fewer catches, while missing 5 games.

275 catches, 3,768 yards, 31 TD's.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

So the Vikings, who have spent every day the past 4 years dealing with Harvin, are looking to deal him.

That tells me everything I need to know.

Pass.

Not interested in giving up a R2 or R3 pick for a guy with a history of being a massive fucktard, regardless of how talented he is when he decides to play. Dude's had issues at every level of the game. That's not gonna change.

A draft pick and a Brinks truck of cash for that?

No thanks.

Are you saying hes not "right 53" materie'l....?
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[RyFo18]

Funny, there's a guy we know that smoked those numbers in his first 4 years, on five fewer catches, while missing 5 games.

275 catches, 3,768 yards, 31 TD's.

And that's fine. Bowe and Harvin are two completely different players.

Did you know, Harvin led all Wide Receivers in broken tackles this year with 22? He played in 9 frikkin games. The next closest was Marshall, with 17.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Are you saying hes not "right 53" materie'l....?
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Being declared ineligible by the Virginia High School Athletic Association.

Failing multiple drug tests, many that were swept under the rug by Urban Meyer, and one during the Combine.

Grabbing his WR coach by the neck and throwing him to the ground.

Having serious entitlement issues at UF.

Taking games off due to "headaches."

And that's just off the top of my head.


The Minnesota Vikings - who have Adrian Peterson and fucking slapdicks on offense are willing to part ways with Harvin - tells me everything I need to know. A team that is DESPERATE for playmakers is cutting the only one they have not named Peterson loose.

And it's going to take a high pick AND a fuckton of cash.

Fuck that.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

in that light, i have to agree.
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[Hootie]

yeah like I said

I'd be pretty indifferent...

but I will say...the risk with Percy isn't any riskier than anybody at #34 MINUS the money part that OTWP brought up

at least we know Percy is a superstar talented NFL player...but I understand those who don't want to pay a cancer.

it makes sense both ways

[Setsuna]

Yall don't deserve him honestly. Now that I've seen how incredibly stupid people are about it. You won't get him.

[Hootie]

Location: Gator Country

I think objectivity isn't going to be your strong point here, bub.

[SAUTO]

Yall don't deserve him honestly. Now that I've seen how incredibly stupid people are about it. You won't get him.

Bullshit to the first two sentences. Good to the last
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[MotherfuckerJones]

Yall don't deserve him honestly. Now that I've seen how incredibly stupid people are about it. You won't get him.

And you deserve him with your 15 fans? Were the best fan best. Go suck off Tebow. WE personally got Egoli fired.

[HotCarl]

He doesn't fit the profile, you can't really argue that.

[MotherfuckerJones]

He doesn't fit the profile, you can't really argue that.

And what profile is it that you speak of?

[RyFo18]

And what profile is it that you speak of?

The Chiefs can't have nice things.

[HotCarl]

And what profile is it that you speak of?

Class, character, leadership. The profile of players you look for in order to have a TEAM.

[SAUTO]

The Chiefs can't have nice things.

He isn't nice
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[HotCarl]

I remember the last guy the Vikings let go when he said he'd play when he wanted to play. He was still pretty good when he worked in close proximity to Tom Brady, much as Matt Cassel and Scott Pioli were, but other than that he was never really very productive again.

[O.city]

For the most part, I don't give a shit if a guy is a jerk off the field as long as he produces.

But that can only go so far. In this situation, no thanks.

[DJ's left nut]

Class, character, leadership. The profile of players you look for in order to have a TEAM.

That's the profile of players that Scott Pioli looked for to build a team.

And they !@#$ing sucked.

The Ravens won a SB with a murderer at MLB. Rob Gronkowski is the fratboy douche to end all fratboy douches. Aaron Rodgers is, by his own teammates admission, a sensitive, moody, quasi-diva.

Spare me this bullshit. NFL teams are full of assholes, enigmas and flat out lousy human beings.

Can they play? That's all I care about. You can keep on chasing "The Right 53"...I'll go ahead and pursue talented players. I'll be the farm on my squad kicking the piss out of yours.

[HotCarl]

That's the profile of players that Scott ***** looked for to build a team.

And they !@#$ing sucked.

The Ravens won a SB with a murderer at MLB. Rob Gronkowski is the fratboy douche to end all fratboy douches. Aaron Rodgers is, by his own teammates admission, a sensitive, moody, quasi-diva.

Spare me this bullshit. NFL teams are full of assholes, enigmas and flat out lousy human beings.

Can they play? That's all I care about. You can keep on chasing "The Right 53"...I'll go ahead and pursue talented players. I'll be the farm on my squad kicking the piss out of yours.

You're so tough. Please hammer don't hurt 'em! :deevee:

[O.city]

Well, it's pretty obvious that HotCarl is likely a mult.

[SAUTO]

That's the profile of players that Scott Pioli looked for to build a team.

And they !@#$ing sucked.

The Ravens won a SB with a murderer at MLB. Rob Gronkowski is the fratboy douche to end all fratboy douches. Aaron Rodgers is, by his own teammates admission, a sensitive, moody, quasi-diva.

Spare me this bullshit. NFL teams are full of assholes, enigmas and flat out lousy human beings.

Can they play? That's all I care about. You can keep on chasing "The Right 53"...I'll go ahead and pursue talented players. I'll be the farm on my squad kicking the piss out of yours.

When have any of them had an altercation with a coach that ended up physical?

When had any of then not played due to a head ache?


I don't see the ravens, pats, or packers trying to trade those guys? Why?
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[Sweet Daddy Hate]

maybe we don't WANT the motherfucker, gaytor boy?
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[mcaj22]

When have any of them had an altercation with a coach that ended up physical?

When had any of then not played due to a head ache?


I don't see the ravens, pats, or packers trying to trade those guys? Why?
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those teams took flyers on WAY worse players than Percy Harvin's headaches and coaching attacking

[tony77]

In a word would be AWESOME!

[CHENZ A!]

In a word would be AWESOME!

you can't count. ha.

[DaKCMan AP]

If WR Harvin, Vikings part ways, some team will get a star

By Jason La Canfora | NFL Insider
Feb. 11, 2013 10:48 PM ET

The Minnesota Vikings will not get fair value for do-everything receiver Percy Harvin, and they know it. They just might have to deal him anyway.

And if they do, he should end up being the highest paid of all wide receivers to change teams this offseason, and for good reason. If I were running a team, Harvin would leap to the top of my receiver wish list. I'll take Harvin at, say, $12.5 million a year over Mike Wallace at $11 million or Greg Jennings at $10 million, even if I have to give up a second-round pick and then some to get him.

Harvin has already displayed that he can be a difference maker on an offensively inept team, and heaven only knows what the dynamic and versatile threat could accomplish on a contending team that had a capable quarterback and a few other weapons around him in the passing game. It's a luxury that some lucky offensive coach (Andy Reid, anyone?) just might get to partake in come the 2013 season, given the bind in which Vikings general manager Rick Spielman find himself.

Harvin, who briefly requested a trade a year ago before mending fences with coach Leslie Frazier, is not going to play for $2.9 million (the amount left on his rookie deal) this season. This, too, the Vikings know. And despite trying to explore options to extend Harvin since before the start of the 2012 season, well, things have gone pretty much nowhere. Yes, the sides will discuss the matter again during the combine, but even then I'd be surprised if there were any monumental breakthroughs.

So, much like the Jets with Darrelle Revis, the Vikings -- short of giving Harvin $25 million guaranteed and somewhere around $13 million a year themselves -- must analyze whether it makes more sense to deal Harvin now for what you can get for him, or watch him leave for nothing but a compensatory pick a year from now. It's an unenviable position to be in, as the rest of the NFL is acutely aware of what is transpiring, and thus Spielman is not in a position of strength to accrue maximum return for Harvin on the trade market.

He's not going to get a first-round pick for Harvin, despite him being a first-round talent, given these circumstances. But for a player who has clearly been uncomfortable with the Vikings' offensive direction -- or lack thereof -- at various times during his brief career, and with Minnesota hard against the cap (restructuring Jared Allen is a must, while key parts of the offensive line are hitting free agency), and Harvin quite possibly not a part of their long-term future anyway, the Vikings' best bet may be to shop him around now, despite the fact that Minnesota is already desperate for playmakers in the passing game to try to boost the team after last season's surprising playoff run.

As for other general managers, especially those sitting on mounds of cap space and in need of match-up nightmares on offense, well, Harvin must be seen as the best available. For all of the depth of this wide receiver class, Harvin is younger than Wes Welker, far more versatile that Wallace, no more fragile than Jennings and more consistent than Dwayne Bowe.

What's more, Harvin can help you win a football game on every down. He is one of the best return threats in the NFL and an elite slot receiver. Of course, you can also line him up out wide. And he proved to be a game-changer out of the backfield with the Vikings as well, the best back on the team not named Adrian Peterson. If you want to run some read-option/Wildcat stuff, well, he could quarterback that for you if need be. He is too fast to be covered by most, and his agility and improvisational skills make him a perfect fit for this pass-happy/spread formation era of football.

Harvin is just entering his prime and seems to have put his migraine problems behind him. This is someone who was a legitimate MVP candidate last season before getting hurt and someone who can match up among the best in the game at several different positions. And let's not pretend that these other receivers are a sure thing, as Jennings has been oft-injured and is nearing age 30, Bowe drops plenty of balls, Wallace wilted under the pressure of playing in a contract year in 2012 following his prolonged hold-out, and it's also worth noting that Wallace and Jennings have played with future Hall of Fame quarterbacks while Harvin has played, with, well, pretty much no one.

Also, I can't state this strongly enough: Harvin doesn't turn 25 until the end May. He's younger that Colin Kaepernick, for goodness sake, despite entering his fifth NFL season. And he can beat you in the screen game. He can beat you in the intermediate passing game. He can beat you in the deep game. And he can beat you carrying the football.

I understand the injury concerns. I understand some of the issues of attitude and clashing with coaches. But I have talked to enough of his teammates to understand some of Harvin's frustrations with the lack of a full-bodied offensive attack with the Vikings, and to a man his teammates say he is driven to win. He can be immature and he's made some mistakes, but no one this talented hits the trade market this young unless there have been a few bumps in the road.

I'd take my chances with him.

In terms of yards after the catch, his numbers last season were nearly identical to those of Darren Sproles, again, without being a part of an offense nearly as balanced as the New Orleans', and without Drew Brees getting him the football. All he's done is average a ridiculous 6.4 yards per carry in his career. He has five career return touchdowns. His average of 74 scrimmage yards per game -- from 2009 to 2012 -- puts him right with receivers like DeSean Jackson and Vincent Jackson, and among all players with at least 50 rushes and 100 receptions since 2009, Harvin's average of 10.3 scrimmage yards per touch is far and away tops in the NFL.

I'm having a hard time even coming up with a large list of individuals who approach at least 100 rushes and at least 250 receptions since 2009 -- numbers Harvin eclipses despite the time he has missed. Sproles has at least 250 catches and rushes since 2009, in 61 games, and averages 7.1 per touch with 26 touchdowns; Harvin has 10.3 per touch with 24 touchdowns in 54 games, and is a more explosive and complete receiver than Sproles, obviously.

Harvin's game can't be captured in stats, however. To watch him sneak out of tight spaces and create yards where there are none, and explode downfield despite everyone on the other side keying on him in the passing game, and despite playing on teams with no semblance of a downfield threat, is to be pulled from your seat.

The young man is a football player, plain and simple, and his best is yet to come. Unfortunately for Spielman and Vikings fans, that just might transpire elsewhere.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/21688136/if-wr-harvin-vikings-part-ways-some-team-will-get-a-star

[htismaqe]

Percy Harvin as a Chief?

Sign me up!

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

HES A GATOR AND I WANT HIM/DaKCman...
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[Pasta Little Brioni]

Well, it's pretty obvious that HotCarl is likely a mult.

Gee, what would make you think that?

[DaKCMan AP]

HES A GATOR AND I WANT HIM/DaKCman...
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Being a Gator is a plus. Being one of the most dynamic playmakers in the NFL is why I would want him.

[htismaqe]

Being one of the most dynamic playmakers in the NFL is why I would want him.

This.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

I think he'd be a steal for a 3rd. Cmon guys. Be realistic when it comes to these draft picks. What are the odds of getting a player like that?

[the Talking Can]

this is where the baldwin bust hurts...

if Baldwin had flashed real potential you could justify bowe for harvin...but can you afford both?

[htismaqe]

this is where the baldwin bust hurts...

if Baldwin had flashed real potential you could justify bowe for harvin...but can you afford both?

After we cut Jackson and Cassel, we'll have a shitload of money.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

youll become the thig lyfe for harvin, DaKC. I can see it already.
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[mcaj22]

what scenario can they take? let us hypothetically explore and guess

excluding all franchise tag scenarios here...

scenario 1
re-sign Bowe for 5-50. 6-66, whatever
draft WR in first 3? 4? rounds or sign a veteran
start season

scenario 2
give up a 4?5? swap 3rds? For Harvin
pay Harvin 5 for 50
let Bowe walk
draft a WR in first 3 or 4 rounds or sign a veteran (Greg Jennings) for like 3 or 4-28/30
start season


I dont see a scenario where they sign Bowe long term and then trade for Harvin and also pay him, so it is either one or the other. that is way too much money in two WRs, and I dont think many NFL teams do that. Giants and Pats come to mind, anyone else? Cowboys I guess.

[The Bad Guy]

Class, character, leadership. The profile of players you look for in order to have a TEAM.

Blah, blah, blah.

I'm so glad that the last regime has programmed fans to believe that talent isn't the most important component of a team.

[DaKCMan AP]

youll become the thig lyfe for harvin, DaKC. I can see it already.
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Harvin is Awesome. DaKCMan_AP is Awesome. Profit.

[Rausch]

Blah, blah, blah.

I'm so glad that the last regime has programmed fans to believe that talent isn't the most important component of a team.

Too fat/Omaha...

[DaKCMan AP]

I dont think many NFL teams do that. Giants and Pats come to mind,

So.... teams that play/win Super Bowls?

[In58men]

Re-Sign Albert

Tag Bowe

Draft Wilson/Smith

Trade 34th pick for Harvin.

[boogblaster]

in truth .. most teams have players with baggage .. so trade for any upgrade .. or sign any free-agent thats a upgrade .. only way too win . but QB needed first .....

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Harvin is Awesome. DaKCMan_AP is Awesome. Profit.

lol
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[mcaj22]

So.... teams that play/win Super Bowls?

in contrast

Dorsey came from the Packers who like their WRs to be young and cheap, essentially replenishing them every year or every other. Then let guys like Greg Jennings walk, because the depth is there

same with Philly, there was a reason they didnt want to give Desean Jackson 50 million and held out as long as they could. You dont really see them giving Jeremy Maclin a big contract after next season too? Every Chiefs fan wants him here because of that fact


These are the Dorsey/Reid type approaches, they wont pay big money for two WRs, they never have and never will

And the Packers have won Super Bowls and Andy Reid has been to a Super Bowl with this model, so that counters your Pats/Giants Super Bowl theory.

[DaKCMan AP]

in contrast

Dorsey came from the Packers who like their WRs to be young and cheap, essentially replenishing them every year or every other. Then let guys like Greg Jennings walk, because the depth is there

same with Philly, there was a reason they didnt want to give Desean Jackson 50 million and held out as long as they could. You dont really see them giving Jeremy Maclin a big contract after next season too? Every Chiefs fan wants him here because of that fact


These are the Dorsey/Reid type approaches, they wont pay big money for two WRs, they never have and never will

And the Packers have won Super Bowls and Andy Reid has been to a Super Bowl with this model, so that counters your Pats/Giants Super Bowl theory.

Not sure I totally agree. Young? Usually. Cheap? In 1999 the Packers made Antonio Freeman the highest paid WR. Three years ago they paid Jennings (almost $9 mil/year with $16 mil guaranteed).

In 2004 the Eagles paid Terrell Owens ($49 mil over 7 yrs) and he was already 30 years old.

[htismaqe]

in contrast

Dorsey came from the Packers who like their WRs to be young and cheap, essentially replenishing them every year or every other. Then let guys like Greg Jennings walk, because the depth is there

same with Philly, there was a reason they didnt want to give Desean Jackson 50 million and held out as long as they could. You dont really see them giving Jeremy Maclin a big contract after next season too? Every Chiefs fan wants him here because of that fact


These are the Dorsey/Reid type approaches, they wont pay big money for two WRs, they never have and never will

And the Packers have won Super Bowls and Andy Reid has been to a Super Bowl with this model, so that counters your Pats/Giants Super Bowl theory.

That being said, Percy Harvin is unlike anything EITHER of them have ever had in Philly or Green Bay. He's a guy that can literally lineup anywhere and create a mismatch.

No, they don't have a history of paying multiple WRs. I would argue Harvin isn't a WR.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Report: Harvin could be seeking Megatron/Fitzgerald money
Posted by Josh Alper on February 13, 2013, 3:13 PM EST
Percy Harvin, Christian Ponder AP

We reported on Monday that Vikings wide receiver Percy Harvin is planning to hold out if he doesn’t get a long-term deal from the team this offseason, something that could be complicated by his reported contract demands.

Josina Anderson of ESPN.com spoke to a “high-ranking Vikings source” about Harvin and the source said he didn’t think a holdout would solve Harvin’s contract desires. That’s because of Harvin’s lack of leverage in the situation, but the standoff could also be impacted by the fact that Harvin apparently sees himself in the same class with Larry Fitzgerald and Calvin Johnson as the best wideouts in the NFL.

“[Harvin] is a star player in our league, but I would imagine that he sees himself in the class of the top wide receivers in our league,” the source said. “I do know at his production, when he was healthy, he was producing along with Larry and Calvin and those guys. I could see Harvin’s agent making the argument that he deserves their type of pay.”

He can make any argument he likes, but it’s hard to put Harvin in that kind of company based on their careers to this point. Harvin does many things well, but he doesn’t overwhelm defenses the way the other two men have done in their careers. Johnson just signed an eight-year, $150.5 million deal before the 2012 season and Fitzgerald is in the middle of his own eight-year, $128.5 million deal with plenty of guaranteed money in both cases.

If Harvin really is looking for that kind of money, his chances of getting a contract with the Vikings aren’t too hot. They probably won’t look any better to another team, which could mean this saga has a while to play out.

[BossChief]

Those two contracts fucked up everything for the current crop of receivers trying to get paid.

NOBODY outside of a star quarterback is worth 20 million a year in today's NFL.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

this. Those numbers are fucking ludicrous.
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[malachi47000]

Percy Harvin trade rumors: Rick Spielman has 'no intent' to trade wide receiver

On Thursday, Minnesota Vikings general manager Rick Spielman once again said that he has "no intent" to trade wide receiver Percy Harvin. Spielman made the same statement in an interview on Feb. 15 and repeated himself several times on Thursday.

For more on this story, visit Daily Norseman

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/2/21/4013764/percy-harvin-trade-rumors-rick-spielman-minnesota-vikings?utm_source=sbnation&utm_medium=nextclicks&utm_campaign=articlebottom

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That sucks....so much him.

[mcaj22]

pretty sure Percy has it in the contract or years served that he can sit out up until week 10 if he wants to and thats exactly what he will do lol

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

percy, geno, bowe, charles.........time to fap.
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[ArrowheadMagic]

Great talent and the whole team cant be choir boys, but not worth the headache... pun intended.

[ModSocks]

Bump because

ESPN New York's Rich Cimini believes the Jets will release Percy Harvin before March 19.
March 19 is important because if Harvin is on the roster, the Jets will owe the Seahawks a fourth-round pick. If he's not on the roster, the Jets will only have to send Seattle a sixth-rounder. Considering the Jets can wash their hands completely clean of Harvin's $10.5 million salary without a dead-money hit makes the decision even easier. Harvin is electric when healthy, so he'd be a highly-interesting player to track should he hit the market. And it sounds like he will.

[Skyy God]

Hard no.

[Eleazar]

February 13, 2013: "Harvin could be seeking Megatron/Fitzgerald money"
February 11, 2015: "Jets may release Harvin to avoid having to give up a 4th round pick."

Dude really blew his career with his antics.

[Nightfyre]

February 13, 2013: "Harvin could be seeking Megatron/Fitzgerald money"
February 11, 2015: "Jets may release Harvin to avoid having to give up a 4th round pick."

Dude really blew his career with his antics.

Give him a deal similar in structure to Desean Jackson's deal with the Redskins - loaded with roster/workout bonuses to keep him incentivized.

[Tribal Warfare]

Great talent and the whole team cant be choir boys, but not worth the headache... pun intended.

As I said in another thread, time to roll the dice with character guys because the safe "right 53" mantra hasn't payed off at all.

[MotherfuckerJones]

I'm fine with it. This team needs to take some risks. The right 53 as mentioned before sucks. Teams that win have character issues.