Dorsey: There is no definite first round QB

[RunKC]

No clear quarterback choice for Chiefs in the draft
By ADAM TEICHER
Kansas City Star
Published Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013, at 3:36 p.m.
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Pros and cons
Matt Barkley, 6-2, 230, USC: Superb leadership skills, the first one at practice or meetings and the last one to leave. But his arm strength is suspect. May be a system fit.

Mike Glennon, 6-7, 220, North Carolina State: Strong arm. He’s easily able to make all the necessary throws. But a lack of mobility could be a problem against a strong pass rush.

Ryan Nassib, 6-2, 225, Syracuse: Good mobility and throws well on the run. But he’s a late-bloomer who might need more seasoning before he’s ready for the NFL.

Geno Smith, 6-3, 210, West Virginia: Has best ability of all the top prospects. Was durable in college, but he’s not an imposing specimen. So how will he hold up in the NFL?

Tyler Wilson, 6-2, 220, Arkansas: Will stand in and take a hit but still make an accurate throw. But he’s short for an ideal NFL quarterback and has small hands, which could lead to fumbling problems.

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The Chiefs spent the last several days setting their draft board in preparation for this week’s NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. The process merely confirmed for new general manager John Dorsey that when it comes to quarterbacks, their homework is only starting.

Opinions on the top available quarterbacks in this year’s draft are that varied.

“There is no quarterback where personnel guys can definitely say, ‘He’s a first-round pick,’ ” Dorsey said. “There were so many inconsistencies in the collective group. There was not one guy that stood up and said, ‘I’m the guy in the position this year.’ There really wasn’t one clear-cut guy.

“There are too many technical flaws, scheme flaws. There are so many different variables that there are a lot of people all over the place on naming the top four or five guys and who those guys would be.”

The Chiefs aren’t the only team having trouble sorting through the top quarterback prospects. From the natural ability of West Virginia’s Geno Smith to the smooth leadership skills of USC’s Matt Barkley to the willingness to take a hit in the face of a strong pass rush of Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson, there are plenty of things to like.

There are reasons to pause just the same. Smith faltered late last fall against better competition. Barkley and Wilson had disappointing, injury-marred senior seasons.

This is a particular problem for teams like the Chiefs, who have a gaping need at quarterback. Dorsey didn’t say so specifically, but he didn’t sound like the Chiefs were planning to take a quarterback with the first pick in this year’s draft.

More likely, the Chiefs will select a quarterback later in the draft — if they take one at all.

Dorsey said both he and coach Andy Reid would be in attendance at the workouts of most, if not all, of the top available quarterbacks.

“I think Andy is a really good evaluator of quarterbacks,” Dorsey said. “I want him and I to go to as many quarterback workouts as possible and actually set our own up.”

The quarterback rankings for last year’s draft were determined almost a year in advance. Stanford’s Andrew Luck was a consensus choice to be the top player selected as soon as the 2011 draft was finished. Baylor’s Robert Griffin III came on as a senior to win the Heisman Trophy and make the race interesting, but in the end, Luck was selected first by Indianapolis. Griffin was taken with the next pick by Washington.

“Last year was an easy evaluation,” draft analyst Mel Kiper said. “Automatically, you put Andrew Luck and RG III up there.”

This year, quarterback ratings are scattered. Some teams like Smith, but others have different favorites, like Barkley, Wilson, North Carolina State’s Mike Glennon or Syracuse’s Ryan Nassib.

“The year didn’t go the way Barkley and the USC Trojans hoped,” Kiper said. “He began the year number one on my big board. You saw what happened with USC. They lost four games with Barkley at quarterback and lost a couple more when he was hurt. They didn’t have a signature win all year. They dropped down the rankings from number one and he dropped down the rankings from number one.

“Geno Smith started out great. It looked like after Barkley struggled you could lock Geno Smith in. Then he has a disappointing second half of the season, so there are issues in terms of what type of starting quarterback he can be. Glennon was hot for a while even though he had a subpar supporting cast, and he didn’t play great (in the bowl game) against Vanderbilt and didn’t have a wow-you-over Senior Bowl week.

“Things didn’t fall into place at Arkansas, and that affected Tyler Wilson. The wheels came off for all the quarterbacks at some point (last) year. Things just didn’t fall right to allow them to maximize their ability. That’s why the teams are right now in the predicament they are, trying to figure this whole quarterback thing out and not overdraft or push a guy up when he’s not deserving.”

Kiper doesn’t have a quarterback rated among his top 25 players. In fact, in his latest mock draft, Kiper doesn’t have a single quarterback being selected in the first round.

“It’s just a tough evaluation, trying to figure out which quarterbacks in this draft, if any, will be great starting quarterbacks,” he said.

Dorsey said he expects at least two quarterbacks to be drafted in the first round because so many teams have a need. It’s a matter, though, of which ones.

Things could solidify in the next couple of months. The draft doesn’t begin until April 25. Meanwhile, the combine begins this week, followed by pro days on college campuses and then individual workouts.

To Dorsey, at least, personal interviews might be the most important part of the postseason draft process. He said a quarterback can improve his draft standing with a series of strong interviews.

“The most impressive interview I’ve ever had in the last 25 years of doing this? Russell Wilson,” said Dorsey, referring to the quarterback drafted by Seattle last year in the third round. “Wasn’t even close. You could feel that guy as a person, how strong he was, how intellectually deep he was, how mentally tough he was, that he had the charisma to lead other players. I always try to look at kids like I’m in the locker room and I’m a teammate. It was easy to see this guy leading a team.

“A quarterback wants to come across in the interview process as confident, as having a vast understanding and knowledge of defenses, as being capable of leading a group of men. That’s what you’ve got to convey to the teams. On film, his physical traits and skills will come out. But you have to over the next few weeks impress on teams the character of his soul, his ability to lead a franchise.”

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[BigMeatballDave]

Smoke screen.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

After watching that Missouri game as a fan, I'm absolutely convinced now that we'll take Joeckel.

[In58men]

Every CP member says smoke screens, if Mayock, Breer, Schefter was to say this they would be ****ing morons. Dorsey gets a free pass lol.

[Priest31kc]

Welp. There it is.

I now have a terrible feeling we'll be taking Star Loltulei #1.

[the Talking Can]

nice move to take retroactive credit for wilson....slick

[Brock]

Smoke screen.

You hope. This doesn't help the first pick look desirable.

[RunKC]

On a side note, it's cool to hear that Dorsey is going to put a hard leadership test on these QB's in the interview.

I wish we could see these interviews. That would be awesome.

[Hammock Parties]

This is scary

http://i.imgur.com/hnP3Ofp.gif

[BigMeatballDave]

Every CP member says smoke screens, if Mayock, Breer, Schefter was to say this they would ****ing morons. Dorsey gets a free pass lol.

He's the fucking GM, you dumbass.

Why tip his hand now?

[In58men]

He's the ****ing GM, you dumbass.

Why tip his hand now?

He's our GM? Wow I never knew that. At least we know our GM isn't blind.

[Rexx]

Well, if he is telling the truth, looks like our QB will come in round 2. I have no idea what they are thinking with the #1. Kind of pisses me off we didn't tank last year!

[BigMeatballDave]

Welp. There it is.

I now have a terrible feeling we'll be taking Star Loltulei #1.

That would be strike 1.

[Reaper16]

Is the new front office completely tone-deaf? How can Clark, and now Dorsey, not be able to read the tea leaves on how much fans want a new QB?

I can't think of one positive reason to say this. I can't find any logical smokescreen potential in it.

[Icon]

Smoke screen.

No reason to blow smoke when you have the first pick.

[RunKC]

He's the ****ing GM, you dumbass.

Why tip his hand now?

He doesn't have anything to hide. He has the first pick in the fucking draft.

And no. Nobody is going to want to trade up with us for a QB in a class that is called weak or for any other player that doesn't stand out.

[O.city]

There you have it. Looks like we are probably Foles landing spot, and no QB taken this year.

[htismaqe]

nice move to take retroactive credit for wilson....slick

Exactly.

[BigMeatballDave]

He's our GM? Wow I never knew that. At least we know our GM isn't blind.

Just how many times were you dropped on your head as a child?

[Rexx]

No reason to blow smoke when you have the first pick.

This.

[htismaqe]

Is the new front office completely tone-deaf? How can Clark, and now Dorsey, not be able to read the tea leaves on how much fans want a new QB?

I can't think of one positive reason to say this. I can't find any logical smokescreen potential in it.

The fans that want a QB at #1 are in the minority.

[BossChief]

Match up what Dorsey says he is looking for with Genos radio interview.

Rest easy, bros.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

He doesn't have anything to hide. He has the first pick in the ****ing draft.

And no. Nobody is going to want to trade up with us for a QB in a class that is called weak or for any other player that doesn't stand out.

This

[O.city]

Match up what Dorsey says he is looking for with Genos radio interview.

Rest easy, bros.

Keep telling yourself this. Explain to me how exactly or why exactly a GM of a team with the first overall pick would come out and say this? What is there to gain.

[Hammock Parties]

This is absolutely them softening the blow for Foles, and it's sickening me.

Who gives a fuck about Star or Joeckel or Millner or Jarvis Jones...none of them offer the risk/reward of a QB.

Hedge your bets, morons, or you're gonna repeat history.

[Priest31kc]

Just when I thought my day couldn't get worse...JFC!

And yeah, what smoke screen? We have the #1 pick.

This isn't good.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

The best things that happen to the Chiefs are not terrible things. Drafting a QB would be a good thing; therefore, it won't happen.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Im Ok with getting Barkley in round 2

[Hammock Parties]

I have ZERO problem with them trading #65 for Foles.

Hell, I won't even care if they trade #34, as long as we take a QB #1.

THERE'S LITERALLY NO ONE ELSE TO TAKE.

[htismaqe]

Im Ok with getting Barkley in round 2

And if he's not there?

[Brock]

The game is won in the trenches /mainstream kc fans

[Rugby Thompson]

Dorsey is sucking on Russel Wilsons cock now but if they never even made the playoffs, he wouldn't be saying jack.

[O.city]

I bet it's going to be Star. Bout the only guy that makes sense that would be a starter day 1.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

And if he's not there?

Let's hope one of the QB blows people away over the next month and the Chiefs take that QB with the first pick.

[BigMeatballDave]

Well, whatever. I'm still in 'wait and see' mode.

[-King-]

7 Days until Qbs interview at the combine. 8 days until they throw. Hope Geno impresses.

[BossChief]

Keep telling yourself this. Explain to me how exactly or why exactly a GM of a team with the first overall pick would come out and say this? What is there to gain.

He is working with scouts from the previous regime, is he not?

He even said he and Reid would go to every workout/interview opportunity and SET THEIR OWN BOARD.

He even listed scheme flaws as one of his reasons, IMO he was talking directly about Geno with that one.

[Hammock Parties]

I bet it's going to be Star. Bout the only guy that makes sense that would be a starter day 1.

LMAO

Star Jackson and Nick Cassel....it'll be a great 7 months until the first snap.

[O.city]

If they send a pick for Foles, he's the guy. They won't take another guy early in the draft, likely a late round flier.

[Reaper16]

The problem with Dorsey drafting a QB with the 1st pick because he was blown away by interviews or pro days is that he would then be someone who doesn't put the stock into gametape that he should.

[BossChief]

Everyone knew Wilson had everything except for size. He's the new Flutie.

Of course he interviewed exceptionally...it doesn't take hindsight to see that.

[Rugby Thompson]

Geno and all the other QB's were prob making fun of Dorsey's speech impediment, lisp and peanut butter/nutella stuck in his mouth so he got offended.

[Mr. Laz]

The game is won in the trenches /mainstream kc fans
what does that have to do with Dorsey and this article?

[O.city]

He is working with scouts from the previous regime, is he not?

He even said he and Reid would go to every workout/interview opportunity and SET THEIR OWN BOARD.

He even listed scheme flaws as one of his reasons, IMO he was talking directly about Geno with that one.

Again, keep telling yourself that. On draft day when we don't take a QB at 1, this place shouldn't explode. The front office has been getting them ready for it for 2 months.

[-King-]

He is working with scouts from the previous regime, is he not?

No.

[Messier]

Well, whatever. I'm still in 'wait and see' mode.

Same here. Why keep getting angry every week or so? Its a while until the draft. I'm excited for the combine, and FA.

[The Franchise]

7 Days until Qbs interview at the combine. 8 days until they throw. Hope Geno impresses.

Watch....we'll trade for Foles a day before the combine.

[Nightfyre]

Dorsey is clearly a BlackBob mult and a troll. Ban him!

[O.city]

No.

Yeah, he is. He kept the old scouts on.

[-King-]

Watch....we'll trade for Foles a day before the combine.

Can't trade before the 12th.

[Brock]

what does that have to do with Dorsey and this article?

Read the thread and think about it some more.

[Titty Meat]

LMAO

[-King-]

Yeah, he is. He kept the old scouts on.

Link?

[KCUnited]

Speaking of hindsight, Andrew Brandt was on 610 the other day saying they were looking for a couple of 2nd's for the Green Bay Aaron Rodgers pick. Said the NFL landscape would be vastly different had their phone rang, instead they took Rodgers.

Hopefully there is no other choice come draft day.

[58-4ever]

Geno and all the other QB's were prob making fun of Dorsey's speech impediment, lisp and peanut butter/nutella stuck in his mouth so he got offended.

yeah, that seems like a very likely scenario... dumbass

[BossChief]

All he said was that there was no clear cut #1 and that he and Reid would be setting their own board.

It's February...give it time.

[chiefzilla1501]

Geno and all the other QB's were prob making fun of Dorsey's speech impediment, lisp and peanut butter/nutella stuck in his mouth so he got offended.

Jfc. This place is ridiculous sometimes.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Fucking Christ. He's not sending a smoke screen. No one gets to pick before him. We're in deep shit unless Geno or Tyler blow the fucking combine away. FUCK!

[Bowser]

Insert OMG PANIC gif here.

[RunKC]

I bet we're going to try like hell to trade the 1st pick in any way.

If we traded for Foles, then I wouldn't be surprised if we try to package a swap of first round picks with them so that we could get Foles+ draft picks.

[CaliforniaChief]

Ugh.

If we didn't have the first overall pick, I could take Clark's comments and Dorsey's in stride as a smoke screen. So unless we're trying to get someone's attention to trade up, I really don't see the need to shoot smoke.

[Messier]

I think it's funny how Teicher is always pushing buttons. That, if they draft one at all line is classic rile up the natives AT.

[58-4ever]

****ing Christ. He's not sending a smoke screen. No one gets to pick before him. We're in deep shit unless Geno or Tyler blow the ****ing combine away. ****!

Let's all discuss this next week around this time. I think we will have some differentiation after the combine.

[chiefzilla1501]

Link?

They haven't been fired nor have new scouts been hired. And I believe there was a picture of him consulting with the old scouts. I bet the higher level scouts are replaced after the draft. For now, good for Dorsey for not having the ego to not give these guys a chance.

[Bowser]

Look, I'll trust in Dorsey, no matter the pick. Doesn't mean I'll like it, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt. It's not like he's had a hand in building championship caliber rosters or anything....

[RunKC]

All he said was that there was no clear cut #1 and that he and Reid would be setting their own board.

It's February...give it time.

He didn't say first overall pick. He said first round pick.

Sounds to me like he's questioning whether these guys are worth a top 32 pick right now.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Let's all discuss this next week around this time. I think we will have some differentiation after the combine.

Yeah, I'm hoping you're right.

[BigMeatballDave]

Fucking Christ. He's not sending a smoke screen. No one gets to pick before him. We're in deep shit unless Geno or Tyler blow the fucking combine away. FUCK!

Yeah, yeah. I am the dumbass now.

[O.city]

Link?

http://www.kcchiefs.com/team/front-office-and-staff.html

[stonedstooge]

Getting rid of Casshole is the first step to redemption

[|Zach|]

I know you guys want your pitchforks but it doesn't seem like there is. In true Chiefs fashion it looks like when WE get the #1 pick the options available to us are sub par. No matter how much you guys wanna rationalize Geno this sucks hard for us.

[Mr. Laz]

Read the thread and think about it some more.
I read it again and i still see nothing about the Oline and Dline or anything from KC fans.

I see an article talking about an inconsistent QB draft class. :shrug:



I guess i just missed it

[Bowser]

Geno and all the other QB's were prob making fun of Dorsey's speech impediment, lisp and peanut butter/nutella stuck in his mouth so he got offended.

Yeah, porbably!

Fucking retard.

[O.city]

He didn't say first overall pick. He said first round pick.

Sounds to me like he's questioning whether these guys are worth a top 32 pick right now.

Yep. We can probably get Barkley, Geno , or Wilson with the comp 3rd round pick we get.

[Rugby Thompson]

Dorsey is such an arrogant prick.

[Hammock Parties]

I know you guys want your pitchforks but it doesn't seem like there is.

Yeah, because Cam Newton was such a better prospect than Geno.

Since you know, he had no attitude issues and was a flawless passer with great footwork.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Yeah, yeah. I am the dumbass now.

I wasn't saying that. I just a few posts mentioning a smoke screen and it doesn't fit with the number 1 pick overall.

I'm not going to lose my shit over it. I'm happy with who is running this franchise. Just going to have to roll with the punches. Why do we keep getting top picks in shitty draft classes? Why does God hate the Chiefs? LOL

[Mr. Laz]

well if the league really does think there aren't any high draft QB's then we need to make sure and have a plan to trade back into the middle of the 1st round after we select someone else at #1.

[58-4ever]

I know you guys want your pitchforks but it doesn't seem like there is. In true Chiefs fashion it looks like when WE get the #1 pick the options available to us are sub par. No matter how much you guys wanna rationalize Geno this sucks hard for us.

No matter how much you want to jump the gun, it's not even March yet. We have a combine and pro days to go. There is a ton of evaluation left. The year Newton came out, everyone thought the same thing.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Don't care what anyone says, even our GM, until after they've had the opportunity to go through the combine, interviews, pro days, etc.

[58-4ever]

well if the league really does think there aren't any high draft QB's then we need to make sure and have a plan to trade back into the middle of the 1st round after we select someone else at #1.

Yeah, let's just make sure we do that because that's always an option. :doh!:

[58-4ever]

Don't care what anyone says, even our GM, until after they've had the opportunity to go through the combine, interviews, pro days, etc.

exactly

[|Zach|]

Yeah, because Cam Newton was such a better prospect than Geno.

Since you know, he had no attitude issues and was a flawless passer with great footwork.

I get that you are drinking the koolaid of Geno being elite and that is what you need to have some drama filled identity around here. And when he goes to the Chiefs and is shit you will be leading the charge with photoshops about how shitty it is.

You are as the dramatic winds blow. I have read this book before and it is boring. You don't actually believe in anything.

[Mr. Laz]

Don't care what anyone says, even our GM, until after they've had the opportunity to go through the combine, interviews, pro days, etc.
yea, things can still change a bunch.

Quarterbacks start having workouts and interviews and they can move up fast.

[RunKC]

Keep Cassel to be the backup if he takes a paycut. If not cut him.
Trade for Foles.
Draft a mid round QB in round 4-5 like Landry Jones to be the backup.

That's what the media is projecting.

[RunKC]

Yeah, because Cam Newton was such a better prospect than Geno.

Since you know, he had no attitude issues and was a flawless passer with great footwork.

Cam won titles in JUCO and at Auburn.

[chiefzilla1501]

Look, I'll trust in Dorsey, no matter the pick. Doesn't mean I'll like it, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt. It's not like he's had a hand in building championship caliber rosters or anything....

This. Reid and Dorsey have a history of really caring about the qb position. Neither have been shy about making bold moves at qb. And they seem to be making it clear that fixing the qb is an absolute priority.

I trust Dorsey's evaluation process. I am rooting for geno, but if Dorsey is thorough and believes he's not the guy, we at least should give him the chance to show us what his backup plan is. And he should get 2-3 years to show what that is.

[O.city]

Keep Cassel to be the backup if he takes a paycut. If not cut him.
Trade for Foles.
Draft a mid round QB in round 4-5 like Landry Jones to be the backup.

That's what the media is projecting.

Looking like that.


If we aren't drafting a QB at 1, I'd think about letting Albert walk and taking Joeckel, simply because I don't know what else we take at 1.

[|Zach|]

I wasn't saying that. I just a few posts mentioning a smoke screen and it doesn't fit with the number 1 pick overall.

I'm not going to lose my shit over it. I'm happy with who is running this franchise. Just going to have to roll with the punches. Why do we keep getting top picks in shitty draft classes? Why does God hate the Chiefs? LOL

Pretty much. Pick him...dont pick him. Do whatever is best for the team but don't box yourself into a shitty player (if that is how they evaluate him) because Chiefs fans have a bad history of being shit on.

[O.city]

Cam won titles in JUCO and at Auburn.

Nice edit there.

[Infidel Goat]

Insert OMG PANIC gif here.

Here you go:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxgjoy3A9H1r3ovdbo1_250.gif

[Brock]

Cam won titles in JUCO and at Auburn.

Lol, nice edit.

[Messier]

Yep. We can probably get Barkley, Geno , or Wilson with the comp 3rd round pick we get.

He's also saying he thinks a couple of QBs will go in the first round, so clearly he's willing to sacrifice the chance at at least the top two, but he admits the combine and interviews are really important. I don't think he's saying he won't change his tune. That pick is up to Reid anyway.

[RealSNR]

I'm going to ignore this entirely until after the combine. If Dorsey is still being a douchebag, that's when I'll press the panic button.

It IS concerning to me, however, that he's saying pretty much the exact thing that Clark Hunt said just a few days after the Reid hire. If there is some idiotic master plan to trade for another team's back up, that was clearly set in stone probably in the first hour of conversations between Reid and Hunt at the airport.

[BigMeatballDave]

I wasn't saying that. I just a few posts mentioning a smoke screen and it doesn't fit with the number 1 pick overall.

I'm not going to lose my shit over it. I'm happy with who is running this franchise. Just going to have to roll with the punches. Why do we keep getting top picks in shitty draft classes? Why does God hate the Chiefs? LOL

I just don't think Dorsey is going to give out any intel, one way or another.

Like others have said, it's not even March yet. Still a ton to evaluate.

[O.city]

Then why even say anything at all? Whats the point?

[Brock]

Then why even say anything at all? Whats the point?

This. He just weakened his own position.

[RunKC]

Then why even say anything at all? Whats the point?

Why not say anything? What's there to be afraid of? Us liking a QB but another team drafting him before us? Oh wait. :)

[RealSNR]

Cam won titles in JUCO and at Auburn.

So did Ken Dorsey.

Anybody who values championships as a significant part of a QB's profile is a BlackBobian moron.

[Hammock Parties]

I get that you are drinking the koolaid of Geno being elite

I don't know WHAT the fuck he is, other than a talented guy with some issues.

I do know how he compares to past guys drafted in the first round, and he's ABSOLUTELY a first rounder. It's not rocket science.

Go ahead defend every shitdick in red and gold though, because that's ALL YOU EVER DO until it's obvious they're failures.

[Messier]

Have there been some really good high first round QBs that came from bad or mediocre college teams? I'm sure there have, which ones?

[58-4ever]

I don't know WHAT the **** he is, other than a talented guy with some issues.

I do know how he compares to past guys drafted in the first round, and he's ABSOLUTELY a first rounder. It's not rocket science.

Go ahead defend every shitdick in red and gold though, because that's ALL YOU EVER DO until it's obvious they're failures.

Then he disappears when he's wrong.

[JohnnyHammersticks]

It ****ing figures that the one ****ing year in team ****ing history that this pathetic ****ing franchise gets the ****ing number 1 pick that there wouldn't be one single ****ing quarterback worth a ****ing shit coming out in the ****ing draft. ****!!!

[RunKC]

So did Ken Dorsey.

Anybody who values championships as a significant part of a QB's profile is a BlackBobian moron.

Ok let me rephrase. Cam Newton didn't go into a downward spiral the 2nd half of the season. He got better and better.

He actually showed up against good teams.

[|Zach|]

I don't know WHAT the **** he is, other than a talented guy with some issues.

I do know how he compares to past guys drafted in the first round, and he's ABSOLUTELY a first rounder. It's not rocket science.

Go ahead defend every shitdick in red and gold though, because that's ALL YOU EVER DO until it's obvious they're failures.

Your opinion changes with the wind blowing. He will probably be shit and you will just turn around and call anyone still supporting him the jokes.

It really is easy to be Clay these days. Just bring the drama and use photoshop.

[|Zach|]

Then he disappears when he's wrong.

For example....

[O.city]

Ok let me rephrase. Cam Newton didn't go into a downward spiral the 2nd half of the season. He got better and better.

It's funny that you hate Geno, yet love Foles when Foles did the same things in college and last year you hate Geno for.


So I guess that this take Wilson out of the question to the Chiefs, cause he was shit this year against good teams for the most part.

But it's cool, you should be happy, cause it looks liek we aren't drafting Geno.

[58-4ever]

For example....

For example nothing. I've seen you disappear many times when you're losing an argument.

[|Zach|]

It ****ing figures that the one ****ing year in team ****ing history that this pathetic ****ing franchise gets the ****ing number 1 pick that there wouldn't be one single ****ing quarterback worth a ****ing shit coming out in the ****ing draft. ****!!!

Pretty much.

I think a bunch of people are just rationalizing the shit out of the situation as a defense mechanism because it sucks so bad.

[Hammock Parties]

Your opinion changes with the wind blowing.

Do you have an opinion other than "you guys are funny, I am going to trust the football professionals?"

[RealSNR]

I really hope all the people who are bitching about this year's QB class weren't appalled last season when the Chiefs were in the Suck 4 Luck sweepstakes for the first few weeks of the season.

[|Zach|]

For example nothing. I've seen you disappear many times when you're losing an argument.

I didn't think you could back up your words.

[58-4ever]

I didn't think you could back up your words.

I'm not going to go sorting through threads if that's what you mean.

[RealSNR]

Ok let me rephrase. Cam Newton didn't go into a downward spiral the 2nd half of the season. He got better and better.

He actually showed up against good teams.

Says the fucking Tyler Wilson fan LMAO

[|Zach|]

I'm not going to go sorting through threads if that's what you mean.

You can't back up your words because they were not based on reality.

[|Zach|]

Do you have an opinion other than "you guys are funny, I am going to trust the football professionals?"

Many. But really it is a different game for me. I don't base my self worth on sports like you do.

[RunKC]

Says the ****ing Tyler Wilson fan LMAO

Unlike the Geno fanboy association, I've accepted the fact that Wilson isn't worth the first overall pick.

[Hammock Parties]

Many. But really it is a different game for me. I don't base my self worth on sports like you do.

Thanks for changing the subject.

What do you think the Chiefs should do at QB, smart boy?

[58-4ever]

You can't back up your words because they were not based on reality.

You're not based in reality. You know what reality is? You're a loser MU fan. MU has never won a championship, or even been to a championship game, so that translates into being cynical about the Chiefs. No one like to hear your loser, cynical thoughts.

[O.city]

Unlike the Geno fanboy association, I've accepted the fact that Wilson isn't worth the first overall pick.

According to most NFL teams, isn't worth the 50 pick either.

[|Zach|]

I learned a long time ago exactly what the hive mind Chiefs Planet brain trust is worth when everyone fell over themselves to get Hugh Douglas and that was gonna lead us to the Superbowl.

[|Zach|]

You're not based in reality. You know what reality is? You're a loser MU fan. MU has never won a championship, or even been to a championship game, so that translates into being cynical about the Chiefs. No one like to hear your loser, cynical thoughts.

I feel like things really diverted from you not being able to back up your own made up words.

Sucks to be called out for being wrong.

[RunKC]

It's funny that you hate Geno, yet love Foles when Foles did the same things in college and last year you hate Geno for.


So I guess that this take Wilson out of the question to the Chiefs, cause he was shit this year against good teams for the most part.

But it's cool, you should be happy, cause it looks liek we aren't drafting Geno.

It must hurt to know that Geno isn't viewed as first overall pick worthy. I get it.

But you gotta trust our GM and coach. We're going to have to anyway.

[RealSNR]

Unlike the Geno fanboy association, I've accepted the fact that Wilson isn't worth the first overall pick.

And it's because he supposedly "didn't show up against good teams?" That's dumb if that's the case.

Cam Newton was not impressive at all in the interview process. He had maginal to adequate accuracy, sloppy footwork, and knew next to nothing about reading NFL defenses. His playbook at Auburn was about as long and as complicated as a Dr. Seuss book.

If you're saying he was the #1 overall pick because he won all his games, that's insanely idiotic.

And it's dumb of you to detract from Tyler Wilson's ability for that reason.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Is the new front office completely tone-deaf? How can Clark, and now Dorsey, not be able to read the tea leaves on how much fans want a new QB?

I can't think of one positive reason to say this. I can't find any logical smokescreen potential in it.

I imagine they're more concerned about what THEY think about players than what fans want. If they don't feel any QB is worthy of #1, they'll find one elsewhere. If they win the fans will forgive and forget. What's the old saying... listen to the fans too much and soon you'll be sitting with them.

[|Zach|]

Thanks for changing the subject.

What do you think the Chiefs should do at QB, smart boy?

Whatever the hell is best for the team. You think I am trying to be some armchair GM here I am not that is a game for your kids to play just saying it looks like the Chiefs are in a shit situation and it sucks.

[milkman]

Ok let me rephrase. Cam Newton didn't go into a downward spiral the 2nd half of the season. He got better and better.

He actually showed up against good teams.

Geno had two sub-par games, and was the primary reason that WVU was is in every other game.

That is what you call spiraling?

[O.city]

It must hurt to know that Geno isn't viewed as first overall pick worthy. I get it.

But you gotta trust our GM and coach. We're going to have to anyway.

You dont' get shit moron.

Explain to me your Foles love when he was an air raid Qb in college and in the shotgun 80% of the time last year? I thought you hated that shit?


Although on the brightside, as I've said many times, it looks liek we will be able to get Wilson a QB I like as well, in the third round.

[JohnnyHammersticks]

Pretty much.

I think a bunch of people are just rationalizing the shit out of the situation as a defense mechanism because it sucks so bad.

You're exactly right, but can you blame them? The ONE ****ING TIME we get the #1 pick and it's probably the first time in history that Kiper doesn't even have a qb going in the 1st round. Not that Kiper knows his ass from a hole in the ground, but still...it's just our luck. The only thing I can think of is that Arrowhead was built on top of indian burial mounds, because we are fucking cursed.

[In58men]

No reason to blow smoke when you have the first pick.

Lmao.



He called me a dumb ass

[Hammock Parties]

Whatever the hell is best for the team. You think I am trying to be some armchair GM here I am not that is a game for your kids to play just saying it looks like the Chiefs are in a shit situation and it sucks.

The only reason it sucks is because there's literally NO REASON not to take a QB.

No other position is even worth the #1 pick.

[RealSNR]

I learned a long time ago exactly what the hive mind Chiefs Planet brain trust is worth when everyone fell over themselves to get Hugh Douglas and that was gonna lead us to the Superbowl.

You're as bad as Dane.

NOBODY is saying Geno or any other QB is going to lead us to a Super Bowl. Many people are saying they are our best chance, but nobody thinks #1 overall QB + Chiefs = AUTOMATIC SUPER BOWL

[The Franchise]

The knock on Geno is he may not hold up in a game?

How many fucking games did he miss because of injury in college?

[O.city]

If we aren't taking a Qb at 1, I would think about not signing Albert and just taking Joeckel.

[RealSNR]

The knock on Geno is he may not hold up in a game?

How many fucking games did he miss because of injury in college?

Zero. LMAO

[58-4ever]

I feel like things really diverted from you not being able to back up your own made up words.

Sucks to be called out for being wrong.

Ummmm, not sure where I was wrong. You are a loser. You disappear when you get called out for being wrong. Both are facts.

[|Zach|]

You're as bad as Dane.

NOBODY is saying Geno or any other QB is going to lead us to a Super Bowl. Many people are saying they are our best chance, but nobody thinks #1 overall QB + Chiefs = AUTOMATIC SUPER BOWL

It was mostly a comment about the hard headed nature that people entrench themselves in with sports and decisions around sports are so dynamic. Often with variables involved that we are not in a place to understand.

I did not intend to characterize pro Geno folks in the way you described with my post.

[BigMeatballDave]

If we aren't taking a Qb at 1, I would think about not signing Albert and just taking Joeckel.

:spock:

[Hammock Parties]

This can get worse.

After we pass on a QB, trade for Foles and introduce Star Loutitty as our #1 pick, Scott Pioli will give an interview revealing which QB he would have picked in the first round this year.

[|Zach|]

Ummmm, not sure where I was wrong. You are a loser. You disappear when you get called out for being wrong. Both are facts.

You get your own opinions but not your own facts. And when asked about your bullshit your response is...crickets.

lol @ you

[milkman]

It must hurt to know that Geno isn't viewed as first overall pick worthy. I get it.

But you gotta trust our GM and coach. We're going to have to anyway.

I don't have to trust them.

I'm doing exactly what I've done since Hank.

Waiting for the inevitable purge.

[58-4ever]

You get your own opinions but not your own facts. And when asked about your bullshit your response is...crickets.

lol @ you

Guys that use lol = pillow biters

[BigMeatballDave]

Lmao.



He called me a dumb ass

You are, but for other reasons.

:)

[O.city]

Funny that some fans, after all we've been thru in regards to the QB, give this big a shit about a guy having some flaws.

[|Zach|]

The only reason it sucks is because there's literally NO REASON not to take a QB.

No other position is even worth the #1 pick.

And if they choose a QB then great...hey lets finally get one get Geno get whoever I don't care just fucking win.

However, the idea that people see this as a shit sandwich where we should automatically get a QB is a rigid one based more on Chiefs fan butthurt. It isn't unreasonable to disagree.

[RunKC]

And it's because he supposedly "didn't show up against good teams?" That's dumb if that's the case.

Cam Newton was not impressive at all in the interview process. He had maginal to adequate accuracy, sloppy footwork, and knew next to nothing about reading NFL defenses. His playbook at Auburn was about as long and as complicated as a Dr. Seuss book.

If you're saying he was the #1 overall pick because he won all his games, that's insanely idiotic.

And it's dumb of you to detract from Tyler Wilson's ability for that reason.

Tyler Wilson is getting hurt because of his hand size more than anything, as noted in the thread posted a couple days ago.

[58-4ever]

You are, but for other reasons.

:)

This is also True.

[58-4ever]

Tyler Wilson is getting hurt because of his hand size more than anything, as noted in the thread posted a couple days ago.

Wow. A QB is getting HURT because of his hand size? I hope you're trying to be funny.

[|Zach|]

Guys that use lol = pillow biters

I don't know what else to tell you. You can't back up your words and now you are just saying random things. You don't take being wrong very well. You should work on that. We all have room for personal improvement.

[milkman]

The knock on Geno is he may not hold up in a game?

How many ****ing games did he miss because of injury in college?

That's what gets me.
Every criticism of Geno, other than his easily correctable footwork, is just made up bullshit.

[RealSNR]

It was mostly a comment about the hard headed nature that people entrench themselves in with sports and decisions around sports are so dynamic. Often with variables involved that we are not in a place to understand.

I did not intend to characterize pro Geno folks in the way you described with my post.

Fair enough. My bad.

[|Zach|]

Ummmm, not sure where I was wrong. You are a loser. You disappear when you get called out for being wrong. Both are facts.

Hey wait. This is fun. It is you.

You are the guy that said Facebook was dying in 6 months and that was over a year ago.

I disagreed and kept posting on that thread and you never came back.

[RunKC]

If we do trade for Foles, this place is going to go into the most sulky mood ever. It would literally become "Eeyore Planet".

[|Zach|]

Fair enough. My bad.

Understandable response

[58-4ever]

Hey wait. This is fun. It is you.

You are the guy that said Facebook was dying in 6 months and that was over a year ago.

I disagreed and kept posting on that thread and you never came back.

Didn't say it was dying, said that it was declining. Which it is by a lot of accounts.

[-King-]

If we aren't taking a Qb at 1, I would think about not signing Albert and just taking Joeckel.

Dude, you tend to overreact to these things. This post didn't even make any sense.

[O.city]

If we do trade for Foles, this place is going to go into the most sulky mood ever. It would literally become "Eeyore Planet".

And if we take Geno, you'll start cutting yourself. For your sake, I hope we dont'.

[O.city]

Dude, you tend to overreact to these things. This post didn't even make any sense.

We were basically jsut told we aren't taking a QB at 1, were we not?

If you can get an equal or better player at a lesser cost, it makes sense.

[RunKC]

And if we take Geno, you'll start cutting yourself. For your sake, I hope we dont'.

I'll hope for the best and trust our braintrust, something that almost everybody here doesn't want to do.

[Hammock Parties]

Zach, you got any more bullshit like this exchange for us?

The legend of Scott ***** far outweighs the reality.

It is a fun world you have created for yourself.

And I am glad you enjoy it.

ZACH LOVES HIM SOME PIOLI!

I trust Haley and ***** to do what will be most likely for the Chiefs to win on Sundays people.

[O.city]

I'll hope for the best and trust our braintrust, something that almost everybody here doesn't want to do.

How long have you been a Chiefs fan?


When the new brain trust wants to do the same thing previous ones have done and experienced epic fail with, sorry, but what did/do you expect to happen?

[-King-]

We were basically jsut told we aren't taking a QB at 1, were we not?

No we weren't.

[|Zach|]

Didn't say it was dying, said that it was declining. Which it is by a lot of accounts.

$1.58 billion in revenue for the last quarter.

800 million — September 2011.
845 million — End of 2011.
901 million — March 2012.
955 million — June 2012.
1.01 billion — September 2012.
1.06 billion monthly active users as of December 31, 2012

You see. This is how you prove someone is wrong. Just like that. There are some things you can learn from me sir. But you had to go and run & hide from that social media thread.

[|Zach|]

Zach, you got any more bullshit like this exchange for us?





ZACH LOVES HIM SOME *****!

Wait, just so we all know what is going on here. Are you Clay... criticizing me...for flip flopping?

[Hammock Parties]

Wait, just so we all know what is going on here. Are you Clay... criticizing me...for flip flopping?

No, you don't flip flop.

You just constantly appeal to football authorities in these discussions, while mocking us for having actual opinions.

It's bullshit. Just butt out.

[RunKC]

How long have you been a Chiefs fan?


When the new brain trust wants to do the same thing previous ones have done and experienced epic fail with, sorry, but what did/do you expect to happen?

Quit comparing Nick Foles and Matt Cassel. JFC.

[htismaqe]

Ok let me rephrase. Cam Newton didn't go into a downward spiral the 2nd half of the season. He got better and better.

He actually showed up against good teams.

With his feet.

You could count the number of 2-read passes he made on ONE HAND.

[O.city]

Quit comparing Nick Foles and Matt Cassel. JFC.

Using hindsight of how Cassel turned out, sure, we think they are different. But this time in 09, it's the same situation.

[Hammock Parties]

Let's be honest, Z: You aren't even a Chiefs fan.

You just like beer, BBQ and grown men smashing into each other in close proximity to your residence.

You lost your emotional connection with this franchise long ago, and replaced it with soccer.

So just butt out of these discussions. We don't need to hear how fucking great Andy Reid is and how dumb we all are for doubting him.

[O.city]

With his feet.

You could count the number of 2-read passes he made on ONE HAND.

That doesn't matter to him. He likes Foles alot, when he did all the things in college he hates Geno for doing, and did similar things last year in Philly.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Nice to see we are now entering the Foles rationalization part of the offseason. I haven't [2009] seen [2009] this [2009] before [2009].

[htismaqe]

I bet we're going to try like hell to trade the 1st pick in any way.

If we traded for Foles, then I wouldn't be surprised if we try to package a swap of first round picks with them so that we could get Foles+ draft picks.

Well guess what?

Dorsey just caused the value of our pick to IMPLODE.

Brilliant move. :facepalm:

[O.city]

Nice to see we are now entering the Foles rationalization part of the offseason. I haven't [2009] seen [2009] this [2009] before [2009].

But I'm told it's different and Foles is te awesome.

[|Zach|]

Nice to see we are now entering the Foles rationalization part of the offseason. I haven't [2009] seen [2009] this [2009] before [2009].

Ok, that is funny.

[Hammock Parties]

Nice to see we are now entering the Foles rationalization part of the offseason. I haven't [2009] seen [2009] this [2009] before [2009].

Foles was an Air Raid QB like Geno, so I'm eagerly anticipating the "He's Geno with NFL experience and some decent success, what's not to like?" defense.

[Rasputin]

I will pack my Chiefs shit and send it to all to Clark Hunt if we don't draft QB #1. Would be cool if SOC put something together that dumps a truck load of Chiefs fans merchandise to return at Arrowhead Stadium for disaproval.

I'm not going stop being a fan but I will be disgruntled fan even more.

[J Diddy]

Stanzi will be our qb

[Messier]

Remember, it's not Dorsey giving these evaluations on the QBs, its Teicher through Kiper. Dorsey hasn't mentioned anything be likes or dislikes about any one QB. If anything, he says that they need to do more evaluating.

[O.city]

I will pack my Chiefs shit and send it to all to Clark Hunt if we don't draft QB #1. Would be cool if SOC put something together that dumps a truck load of Chiefs fans merchandise to return at Arrowhead Stadium for disaproval.

I'm not going stop being a fan but I will be disgruntled fan even more.

If one isn't worth it, you can't just take one for the sake of taking one.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I don't know WHAT the fuck he is, other than a talented guy with some issues.

I do know how he compares to past guys drafted in the first round, and he's ABSOLUTELY a first rounder. It's not rocket science.

Go ahead defend every shitdick in red and gold though, because that's ALL YOU EVER DO until it's obvious they're failures.

zoccer just doesnt give enough of a fuck about the chiefs at the end of the day. Never has. Very detached when all is said and done.
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[Rasputin]

If one isn't worth it, you can't just take one for the sake of taking one.

Cowards. This team needs to grow a set of balls. Geno Smith has the tools to be successful in the NFL he would be worth it.

[|Zach|]

Let's be honest, Z: You aren't even a Chiefs fan.

You just like beer, BBQ and grown men smashing into each other in close proximity to your residence.

You lost your emotional connection with this franchise long ago, and replaced it with soccer.

So just butt out of these discussions. We don't need to hear how ****ing great Andy Reid is and how dumb we all are for doubting him.

Just by playing it I have more of a connection with the game of football that no amount of you googling and posting on message boards will understand.

We all think it is great that you are not original enough to create anything yourself and make videos with nerdy references but I have been with the Chiefs this whole time and will continue to be.

Seeing the ownership style of another sports organization just wants me to see the Chiefs do things different and succeed that much more.

I don't even have enough time to butt in on a fraction of the conversations that you have all over the internet...I am sure you can deal with it.

[htismaqe]

This. He just weakened his own position.

Yep.

[|Zach|]

zoccer just doesnt give enough of a **** about the chiefs at the end of the day. Never has. Very detached when all is said and done.
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False.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Wow.

I've seen some stupid shit before, but this ranks pretty high on the list.

Nothing like devaluing the most important pick in the draft. In February, no less.

Looks like I should be lining up a few True Fans to buy my season tickets come Draft Night.

[Floridafan]

It ****ing figures that the one ****ing year in team ****ing history that this pathetic ****ing franchise gets the ****ing number 1 pick that there wouldn't be one single ****ing quarterback worth a ****ing shit coming out in the ****ing draft. ****!!!

THIS!!! I truly cannot think of anything in my life that has been as frustrating as being a Chiefs fan, except maybe trying to figure out what women want or are thinking. Both are the most frustrating things in the Universe. I have loved the Chiefs since about 1979, before that I was a pitiful Lions fan, being from Michigan. Could it be possible I am the problem? I am cursed and have brought my curse to all of you?

[O.city]

Wow.

I've seen some stupid shit before, but this ranks pretty high on the list.

Nothing like devaluing the most important pick in the draft. In February, no less.

Looks like I should be lining up a few True Fans to buy my season tickets come Draft Night.

No no, they're gonna bring in Foles better keep those things.

[Hammock Parties]

Just by playing it I have more of a connection with the game of football

That's not what I said.

I said WITH THE FRANCHISE.

You are completely dispassionate about this team.

"Whatever they decided to do is good with me! Go team! Beer!"

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Nice to see we are now entering the Foles rationalization part of the offseason. I haven't [2009] seen [2009] this [2009] before [2009].

fuck. Damnit Jenkins, do we REALLY have to live this absurdity all over again? Fuck...
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[BigMeatballDave]

Everyone jumping off the Dorsey bandwagon already. LOL

[htismaqe]

I imagine they're more concerned about what THEY think about players than what fans want. If they don't feel any QB is worthy of #1, they'll find one elsewhere. If they win the fans will forgive and forget. What's the old saying... listen to the fans too much and soon you'll be sitting with them.

If they take a retread instead of drafting and developing somebody, they better:

1) Win a playoff game YEAR ONE. No excuses and

2) Make it to a Super Bowl by YEAR THREE. Again no excuses.

EVERY OTHER TEAM IN THE NFL is drafting QBs. There's a reason we haven't won a playoff game since Bill Clinton's FIRST TERM.

This isn't about them knowing more about this than us. NFL history is an open book...EVERYBODY knows what teams are successful. This idea that they're professionals and DESERVE our trust without an ounce of proof is pure, 100% bullshit.

[RunKC]

Using hindsight of how Cassel turned out, sure, we think they are different. But this time in 09, it's the same situation.

Cassel wasn't even good enough to start in college.

Foles had a higher completion % as a rookie that Cassel did in 4 years as a Chief.

Trading for Trent Green sure was a horrible idea. Our offense wasn't good or anything.

[|Zach|]

That's not what I said.

I said WITH THE FRANCHISE.

You are completely dispassionate about this team.

"Whatever they decided to do is good with me! Go team! Beer!"

So wait. In the same post I am disconnected and don't care yet I also cheer for everything they do.

You post so much on the internet you don't even know what you are saying anymore.

[htismaqe]

Everyone jumping off the Dorsey bandwagon already. LOL

I'm not on the Dorsey bandwagon.

I'm on the CHIEFS bandwagon and have been for 30 years. I'm fucking tired of this, quite frankly.

[|Zach|]

I'm not on the Dorsey bandwagon.

I'm on the CHIEFS bandwagon and have been for 30 years. I'm ****ing tired of this, quite frankly.

Yea, hope it works. No matter what they do.

[Hammock Parties]

So wait. In the same post I am disconnected and don't care yet I also cheer for everything they do.


You only cheer for them at a surface, dispassionate, disconnected level.

You don't live and die with the team, and that is why you DON'T GIVE A SHIT about this.

Your connection to the Chiefs is "hey! football players in my home state! cool!"

[O.city]

Cassel wasn't even good enough to start in college.

Foles had a higher completion % as a rookie that Cassel did in 4 years as a Chief.

Trading for Trent Green sure was a horrible idea. Our offense wasn't good or anything.

Again, you have to take out anything Cassel did as a Chief, thats hindsight.


Trent Green was so great, it's not like he had a HOF TE, 2 or 3 HOF Ol in front of him and an all pro RB and running game. Yeah, he was great.


Keep talking yourself into a retread. Enjoy.

[Hammock Parties]

Yea, hope it works. No matter what they do.

And if it doesn't, that's cool. No biggie. This Bud's for you!

[oldandslow]

If Foles is T. Green more power to us...

It's obvious G. Smith is not as well regarded as many had hoped.

[|Zach|]

You only cheer for them at a surface, dispassionate, disconnected level.

You don't live and die with the team, and that is why you DON'T GIVE A SHIT about this.

Your connection to the Chiefs is "hey! football players in my home state! cool!"
You simply do not know what you are talking about. I have been a part of more Chiefs games and the highs and lows of this team than you could understand.

You started watching this team because Joe Montana played for them. The high horse you have constructed needs a lot more work it doesn't suit you. You are good at posting on the internet and stealing videos from people. Play to your strengths.

[htismaqe]

Yea, hope it works. No matter what they do.

Well, I've seen enough. I'm done hoping in one hand...the other one ALWAYS fills up first when it comes to the Chiefs.

Either they get on board with 2012 NFL football or I'm out. I'll find a team that knows how to operate in the 21st century.

[|Zach|]

And if it doesn't, that's cool. No biggie. This Bud's for you!

Not at all. I did not support the team financially last year.

Again, you simply know nothing of the things you are speaking about.

[Hammock Parties]

You simply do not know what you are talking about. I have been a part of more Chiefs games and the highs and lows of this team than you could understand.


"have been" being the operative word.

You don't give a shit anymore, and that's why you're A-OK with this crap.

"Whatever you like, Coach Reid! Let's see some football! Cassel saves kids from cancer and he's cool!"

[Unsmooth-Moment]

Well shit..

IF we do not go QB @1

Does a trade with Philly involving the swap of firsts and us getting Foles make sense? I guess we could use the 4th pick on Milliner at that point.

[Hammock Parties]

One question, Z:

Will you care, at all, if the Chiefs don't take a QB this April?

[O.city]

After reading this again, I'm not sure what to think. Teicher makes it sound like tehy won't take one, which they may not. But by Dorsey's quotes, it seems like they are really just beginning to evaluate.

[BigMeatballDave]

Well, I've seen enough. I'm done hoping in one hand...the other one ALWAYS fills up first when it comes to the Chiefs.

Either they get on board with 2012 NFL football or I'm out. I'll find a team that knows how to operate in the 21st century.

I'll just keep caring less.

I'm 42. I'm not picking another team.

[Red Dawg]

Just trade the 34 for stupid Foles and get if over with. I hate this shit.

[YayMike]

After reading this again, I'm not sure what to think. Teicher makes it sound like tehy won't take one, which they may not. But by Dorsey's quotes, it seems like they are really just beginning to evaluate.

This.

[htismaqe]

I'll just keep caring less.

I'm 42. I'm not picking another team.

True. There's always college football...

[HonestChieffan]

After reading this again, I'm not sure what to think. Teicher makes it sound like tehy won't take one, which they may not. But by Dorsey's quotes, it seems like they are really just beginning to evaluate.

Evaluate. Look. Study. Not the emotional fanboy bullshit. Makes me like the management team. No need to take the tallest midget and say its a basketball team.

[Unsmooth-Moment]

I will pack my Chiefs shit and send it to all to Clark Hunt if we don't draft QB #1. Would be cool if SOC put something together that dumps a truck load of Chiefs fans merchandise to return at Arrowhead Stadium for disaproval.

I'm not going stop being a fan but I will be disgruntled fan even more.

I still do not understand shit like this. What if Dorsey and Reid do not think Geno is the guy they want to tie themselves to for the next 5 years? What if it really is just a shitty draft to be needing a QB? I want to actually draft a QB too, but if there isn't a guy they want to be tied to, can you blame them for wanting to pass on him/them?

[RunKC]

Again, you have to take out anything Cassel did as a Chief, thats hindsight.


Trent Green was so great, it's not like he had a HOF TE, 2 or 3 HOF Ol in front of him and an all pro RB and running game. Yeah, he was great.


Keep talking yourself into a retread. Enjoy.

Because people are insinuating that trading for Foles is no different than the Cassel deal.

And WTF does that matter who Trent Green had? People rip him for not winning playoff games, but forget the fact that our defense was never any good and our All-Pro RB coughed up the fucking ball leading to our demise.

Andy Reid isn't a moron with QB's, so comparing to past morons who don't know shit about QB's, like Marty and Pioli, makes you look like a fucking dumbass.

[O.city]

I just think they aren't sure yet what they're going to do. If at this point they already determined they weren't taking one, I doubt they'd be as interested as watching each workout etc.

[Hammock Parties]

I still do not understand shit like this. What if Dorsey and Reid do not think Geno is the guy they want to tie themselves to for the next 5 years? What if it really is just a shitty draft to be needing a QB? I want to actually draft a QB too, but if there isn't a guy they want to be tied to, can you blame them for wanting to pass on him/them?

No one is "tied" to any QB with the new CBA.

[|Zach|]

One question, Z:

Will you care, at all, if the Chiefs don't take a QB this April?

You see I am an adult. You don't understand a lot of things adults understand.

What happens with this team happens no matter how much posting and emoting and photoshops you make. I don't spend money on the Chiefs when they are not moving in the right direction. That is my lever.

I could bitch and bitch and bitch like you in my basement but it doesn't mean shit. I understand the reality of the world and hope that whatever the Chiefs do works.

I am well aware of the highs and lows. I have been to two Chiefs playoff wins and every single home playoff loss from the 90s on. Been there while they were getting waxed by horrible teams...gone on the road in Denver and Oakland to see this team. I am fully committed but also understand my role in the whole deal.

[|Zach|]

Evaluate. Look. Study. Not the emotional fanboy bullshit. Makes me like the management team. No need to take the tallest midget and say its a basketball team.

Yes! This is put better than I did the whole thread. Just be fucking smart and do what is best for the team.

[Hammock Parties]

This isn't about me, Zach.

Yes or no. Will you care?

[htismaqe]

Evaluate. Look. Study. Not the emotional fanboy bullshit. Makes me like the management team. No need to take the tallest midget and say its a basketball team.

It isn't emotional fanboy bullshit.

It's THREE FUCKING DECADES of watching literally EVERY TEAM in the NFL, EXCEPT THE CHIEFS, draft a QB and subsequently win a playoff game.

People act like some of us just woke up this morning and decided to go off the deep end.

Bullshit. This has been building for YEARS.

[Unsmooth-Moment]

No one is "tied" to any QB with the new CBA.

Jacksonville is still having probs ridding themselves of Blaine Gabbert. A rookie QB taken in the first is going to get at least 3 years to prove himself.

[RealSNR]

Wow.

I've seen some stupid shit before, but this ranks pretty high on the list.

Nothing like devaluing the most important pick in the draft. In February, no less.

Looks like I should be lining up a few True Fans to buy my season tickets come Draft Night.

Yep.

I said at Dorsey's first press conference that he could be one of two things: a hardass talent evaluator who simply prefers to stay behind the scenes like Ted Thompson, or he's a mouth-breathing jockhead who couldn't stand to choose a career outside the game he loves. Either way, he's CLEARLY the anti-Pioli.

Well, these statements reveal that it IS true. He's not Pioli. Pioli wouldn't have revealed his draft intentions so blatantly like this.

Dorsey's now stuck with the #1 overall pick whether he wanted it or not. He's going to have to hold his nose and draft a QB now, or the pick's value is fucking ruined. We may as well have been picking 11th overall just like last year.

[htismaqe]

You see I am an adult. You don't understand a lot of things adults understand.

What happens with this team happens no matter how much posting and emoting and photoshops you make. I don't spend money on the Chiefs when they are not moving in the right direction. That is my lever.

I could bitch and bitch and bitch like you in my basement but it doesn't mean shit. I understand the reality of the world and hope that whatever the Chiefs do works.

I am well aware of the highs and lows. I have been to two Chiefs playoff wins and every single home playoff loss from the 90s on. Been there while they were getting waxed by horrible teams...gone on the road in Denver and Oakland to see this team. I am fully committed but also understand my role in the whole deal.

Then why are you here?

Solely to tell us that we're horrible human beings?

[|Zach|]

This isn't about me, Zach.

Yes or no. Will you care?

Yes it is a Chiefs draft pick.

[Hammock Parties]

Jacksonville is still having probs ridding themselves of Blaine Gabbert. A rookie QB taken in the first is going to get at least 3 years to prove himself.

How is that different than any QB?

It's not.

[O.city]

Because people are insinuating that trading for Foles is no different than the Cassel deal.

And WTF does that matter who Trent Green had? People rip him for not winning playoff games, but forget the fact that our defense was never any good and our All-Pro RB coughed up the ****ing ball leading to our demise.

Andy Reid isn't a moron with QB's, so comparing to past morons who don't know shit about QB's, like Marty and *****, makes you look like a ****ing dumbass.

Reid gave Michael Vick 100 million dollars. It's not like his past record is spotless a the position.


Sorry man, but like Hamas just said, we can go back to 09 and find a post exactly like this.

Scott Pioli helped find the best QB ever in the 6th round, etc.

People have this grand illusion that Trent Green was this great QB here. He was good, no doubt. They conveniently forget that with him, we made the playoffs 1 time.

[|Zach|]

Then why are you here?

Solely to tell us that we're horrible human beings?

Not at all. I am not saying that to anyone. Just reading Chiefs opinions. But lets not act they are more than they are. Ya know?

[HonestChieffan]

It isn't emotional fanboy bullshit.

It's THREE ****ING DECADES of watching literally EVERY TEAM in the NFL, EXCEPT THE CHIEFS, draft a QB and subsequently win a playoff game.

People act like some of us just woke up this morning and decided to go off the deep end.

Bullshit. This has been building for YEARS.

And its not emotional. Okeedokee

[Hammock Parties]

Yes it is a Chiefs draft pick.

So you do want a QB in the 1st round.

There's hope for your soul.

[RealSNR]

It isn't emotional fanboy bullshit.

It's THREE FUCKING DECADES of watching literally EVERY TEAM in the NFL, EXCEPT THE CHIEFS, draft a QB and subsequently win a playoff game.

People act like some of us just woke up this morning and decided to go off the deep end.

Bullshit. This has been building for YEARS.

HonestChiefsTrueFan

[htismaqe]

And WTF does that matter who Trent Green had? People rip him for not winning playoff games, but forget the fact that our defense was never any good and our All-Pro RB coughed up the fucking ball leading to our demise.

:BS:

That argument is not allowed.

[htismaqe]

And its not emotional. Okeedokee

It's not emotional FANBOY BULLSHIT.

Way to take one word out of an entire post and use it out of context.

Moron.

[ChiefRocka]

How is that different than any QB?

It's not.



:popcorn:

[htismaqe]

Not at all. I am not saying that to anyone. Just reading Chiefs opinions. But lets not act they are more than they are. Ya know?

We really don't need you, or anyone else, to remind us that we don't influence the Chiefs' decisions.

We already know that.

[RealSNR]

And its not emotional. Okeedokee

Emotion in the delivery of the argument is not a fallacy.

Emotion in the argument itself IS a fallacy.

[Priest31kc]

How is that different than any QB?

It's not.

Yep. Foles will get 2-3 years.

Im just going to try to accept the fact that we will be trading our 2nd round pick for Foles and drafting Loltulei #1 overall. Yay for a 3-4 DE & trading for a QB another team doesn't want again!

2009 all over again! It worked out so well the last time!

[HonestChieffan]

It's not emotional FANBOY BULLSHIT.

Way to take one word out of an entire post and use it out of context.

Moron.

You dont see the current Geno lovefest as fanboy foolishness? Really? There are posters here who will have seizures if Geno is not the pick. Its nuts.

[htismaqe]

Emotion in the delivery of the argument is not a fallacy.

Emotion in the argument itself IS a fallacy.

Evaluate. Look. Study.

Those were his first three words.

Well, guess what?

I've done that. I watched over 200 college football games this past season and I've watched dozens more since then. I've evaluated pretty much every one of the top 10 or so QBs in this draft.

And I've come to the conclusion, after MUCH EVALUATION, MUCH LOOKING, and MUCH STUDY that anybody that says this is a bad QB class hasn't done their homework.

No "fanboy bullshit" about it.

[htismaqe]

You dont see the current Geno lovefest as fanboy foolishness? Really? There are posters here who will have seizures if Geno is not the pick. Its nuts.

Read the post I just made.

[O.city]

You dont see the current Geno lovefest as fanboy foolishness? Really? There are posters here who will have seizures if Geno is not the pick. Its nuts.

Chiefs haven't picked a Qb in the first round in 30 years. Geno is arguably the best QB in a class where we have the first overall pick. Some here think Geno is an extremely skilled passer with the ability to be a franchise QB.


Can you really blame them?

[58-4ever]

$1.58 billion in revenue for the last quarter.

800 million — September 2011.
845 million — End of 2011.
901 million — March 2012.
955 million — June 2012.
1.01 billion — September 2012.
1.06 billion monthly active users as of December 31, 2012

You see. This is how you prove someone is wrong. Just like that. There are some things you can learn from me sir. But you had to go and run & hide from that social media thread.

You're so cool with your stats.

http://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-usage-declining-2012-9

We can both cite different things and it will be a while before it plays out..

[tk13]

I guess I'm not surprised by this. I put little stock into Kiper and even less into McShay... but I do think these guys are ripping the QB class because they're all hearing terrible things from scouts/personnel people. I don't think it's entirely their own opinion.

The big difference between these guys and Pioli is they've 1) always put a high importance on the QB position and 2) have never been afraid to take one high in the draft. I feel confident that if they pass at 1, it'll be because they truly do not like anyone at that pick, and not some misguided ego trip to prove they're football geniuses.

But I've been wrong before. And the reality is there are questions about this class. But there will also be at least one or two guys who end up being underrated and have success. A Dalton, Kaepernick, Brees, Wilson, Rodgers... etc.

[Unsmooth-Moment]

How is that different than any QB?

It's not.

I agree to an extent.

If you have less invested in a QB today, you would think you are more likely to be aggressive in the upcoming offseason if said QB is not playing at the level you require (unless you are pioli).

[htismaqe]

Chiefs haven't picked a Qb in the first round in 30 years. Geno is arguably the best QB in a class where we have the first overall pick. Some here think Geno is an extremely skilled passer with the ability to be a franchise QB.


Can you really blame them?

I'm not 100% on QBs. I liked Sanchez but was concerned about his lack of experience. I didn't like Tannehill, again because of the experience factor.

That being said, I thought Matt Ryan was a game manager and said he'd never win a Super Bowl. I said Jay Cutler was a loser mentally and would never win in Denver - he didn't win a single playoff game there.

I've been right more often than wrong about QBs. There's guys here that are much better at this than me but I do watch a TON of football.

I'm absolutely CONVINCED that Geno has what it takes to be a solid NFL starter with championship upside.

[RealSNR]

Evaluate. Look. Study.

Those were his first three words.

Well, guess what?

I've done that. I watched over 200 college football games this past season and I've watched dozens more since then. I've evaluated pretty much every one of the top 10 or so QBs in this draft.

And I've come to the conclusion, after MUCH EVALUATION, MUCH LOOKING, and MUCH STUDY that anybody that says this is a bad QB class hasn't done their homework.

No "fanboy bullshit" about it.
I think I know HCF's response.

"Where's your NFL team if you're so smart?"

A bag of doughnuts says I'm right.

[Unsmooth-Moment]

I guess I'm not surprised by this. I put little stock into Kiper and even less into McShay... but I do think these guys are ripping the QB class because they're all hearing terrible things from scouts/personnel people. I don't think it's entirely their own opinion.

The big difference between these guys and ***** is they've 1) always put a high importance on the QB position and 2) have never been afraid to take one high in the draft. I feel confident that if they pass at 1, it'll be because they truly do not like anyone at that pick, and not some misguided ego trip to prove they're football geniuses.

But I've been wrong before. And the reality is there are questions about this class. But there will also be at least one or two guys who end up being underrated and have success. A Dalton, Kaepernick, Brees, Wilson, Rodgers... etc.

I agree with everything you said. :thumb:

[|Zach|]

You're so cool with your stats.

http://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-usage-declining-2012-9

We can both cite different things and it will be a while before it plays out..

Honestly I am just proud of you that you didn't put your head in the sand.

This does not even begin to show anything dying...more than a year after your 6 month prediction. Grasp at some more straws but know I am giving you a high five for trying.

[Nightfyre]

All I know is that I did not sit through every fucking game this year, hoping for a loss, just so we could trade for a trashy QB from another team. Foles was trash in Arizona and he was trash in Philly. Draft Geno Smith number one. If Foles is starting, there is no reason to even watch because the season will be over before it starts and it will be clear that this administration is clueless.

[O.city]

Foles wasnt' trash. He showed some upside. He wasn't great, but he wasn't trash at all.

[RunKC]

Reid gave Michael Vick 100 million dollars. It's not like his past record is spotless a the position.


Sorry man, but like Hamas just said, we can go back to 09 and find a post exactly like this.

Scott ***** helped find the best QB ever in the 6th round, etc.

People have this grand illusion that Trent Green was this great QB here. He was good, no doubt. They conveniently forget that with him, we made the playoffs 1 time.

Trent led the greatest offense this franchise has ever seen. We were a top 5 offense 4 years in a row. 2 of those years, we were statistically the BEST.

In that time, our defense was 25th or worse. 2 of those years, they were last and second last.

Blaming Trent for those failures is fucking stupid. If you're going to point the finger at anyone, point it at King Carl and Dick Vermeil for not making our defense worth a shit.

It takes more than a good QB to win. I thought this was understood?

[HonestChieffan]

Evaluate. Look. Study.

Those were his first three words.

Well, guess what?

I've done that. I watched over 200 college football games this past season and I've watched dozens more since then. I've evaluated pretty much every one of the top 10 or so QBs in this draft.

And I've come to the conclusion, after MUCH EVALUATION, MUCH LOOKING, and MUCH STUDY that anybody that says this is a bad QB class hasn't done their homework.

No "fanboy bullshit" about it.

If i read what has been said by a number of people is that there is no stanout number one. And this years draft class does not have the quality last year had. No one is saying its a bad class. Its just not a standout easy pick. Thats why people see opportunities to do more than just take a QB with the number 1 pick. The Geno or die mantra is the fanboy emotional point. We need a quality Qb. We have zero in what we have. We will have better this season. Geno? Maybe. But he is not good enough to make it an easy pick. Intangables will factor big time. The difference between the top 3 or 5 QBs is not enough to make any one an easy pick