Former Jets DL Mike DeVito signed

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Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora

Former Jets DL Mike DeVito on his KC for a visit. Very likely he doesn't leave without a deal.



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RT @BrianCoz: KC Star reporting the Chiefs have reached a deal with ex-Jet DE Mike DeVito #nyj


Joel Corry ‏@corryjoel

Mike DeVito signs a three-yr, $12.6M deal with KC. ($4.2M signing bonus, $850k '13 base salary fully GTD, 1M of '14 base injury guaranteed).

[candyman]

PBJ

[Canofbier]

Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora

Former Jets DL Mike DeVito on his KC for a visit. Very likely he doesn't leave without a deal.

Gross.

http://blog.silive.com/politics/2007/09/small_devito.jpg

Based on how he looks, anyway - how was he for the Jets?

[The Bad Guy]

Just got an email about Dorsey that he's gone. Something changed over the last 48 but he's gone.

[DJ's left nut]

Where the hell do you play him? Surely this isn't their replacement for Dorsey - he's the exact same guy. In fact, he probably has less upside than Dorsey.

I'm in favor of signing literally every single slapdick that will visit this franchise at this point (we have 25 roster spots that need to be turned over), but where does this guy present an actual improvement?

[ChiTown]

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nfl/players/full/10763.png&w=350&h=254


Can we nickname him Short Bus?

[Strongside]

"Dude, I am, like...SO high right now."http://blog.silive.com/politics/2007/09/small_devito.jpg

[mcaj22]

Where the hell do you play him? Surely this isn't their replacement for Dorsey - he's the exact same guy. In fact, he probably has less upside than Dorsey.

I'm in favor of signing literally every single slapdick that will visit this franchise at this point (we have 25 roster spots that need to be turned over), but where does this guy present an actual improvement?

Devito will be Dorsey's replacement which is why it is crucial he cant leave without a deal because they cant keep waiting on Canty to string them along and they need a starter badly

[candyman]

Just got an email about Dorsey that he's gone. Something changed over the last 48 but he's gone.

Well I guess this is his replacement...

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Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet

Here we go: DT Mike DeVito is headed to the Kansas City Chiefs. Negotiating through a deal, I'm told

[The Franchise]

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/New+York+Jets+v+Indianapolis+Colts+9P86B9Jruhel.jpg

This guy?

[mnchiefsguy]

NFL Network saying DeVito is coming to KC to sign. It is Ian Rappaport, so take it with a grain of salt.

[Just Passin' By]

Gross.

http://blog.silive.com/politics/2007/09/small_devito.jpg

Based on how he looks, anyway - how was he for the Jets?

Good against the run, subbed out against the pass

[RealSNR]

Just got an email about Dorsey that he's gone. Something changed over the last 48 but he's gone.
Fuck. I was kind of warming up to having Glenn Dorsey back at a reasonable price.

[CaliforniaChief]

There's definitely an Italian feel to FA so far....Pioli would be proud.

[mcaj22]

yea this guy makes Tyson Jackson look like Bruce Smith as a pass rusher

[nychief]

Adios Glenn Dorsey! Replaced by an undrafted free agent from mAine.

[patteeu]

I was starting to worry that the Chiefs would have to go to battle this season without an undrafted U of Maine Black Bear on the roster.

[Brooklyn]

here's what a friend and Jets fan had to say...

"THANK GOD. Have fun watching him chase down anyone that gets outside. Good guy, not the best DL."

[RealSNR]

I was starting to worry that the Chiefs would have to go to battle this season without an undrafted U of Maine Black Bear on the roster.
We needed a replacement. Our last one has a hole in it!

Badumcha!

[nychief]

yea this guy makes Tyson Jackson look like Bruce Smith as a pass rusher


He also makes Glenn Dorsey look like.. Well, Glenn Dorsey.

[BigCatDaddy]

Adios Glenn Dorsey! Replaced by an undrafted free agent from mAine.

We do well with those Maine FA's.

[mcaj22]

He also makes Glenn Dorsey look like.. Well, Glenn Dorsey.

if you are saying this guy will make us miss Glenn Dorsey, then yes I agree

[DJ's left nut]

I'd rather take my chances that Canty leaves us holding the bag.

Dorsey was exactly the kind of placeholder on defense that we needed to look to upgrade from. Moreover, he at least had some skills to suggest that he may have been able to improve in a 1-gap.

This guy has 2-gap skills (such as they are) and he's being put into a 1-gap system.

Man I hope he's cheap. Or that we're actually switching to a 4-3 and it hasn't been announced yet. I just don't see him fitting in this system worth a damn.

[Fritz88]

Just got an email about Dorsey that he's gone. Something changed over the last 48 but he's gone.

How I feel about Dorsey being gone.

http://imgur.com/UOGT2hT

[BossChief]

Just got an email about Dorsey that he's gone. Something changed over the last 48 but he's gone.

Detroit?

[mcaj22]

I'd rather take my chances that Canty leaves us holding the bag.

Dorsey was exactly the kind of placeholder on defense that we needed to look to upgrade from. Moreover, he at least had some skills to suggest that he may have been able to improve in a 1-gap.

This guy has 2-gap skills (such as they are) and he's being put into a 1-gap system.

Man I hope he's cheap. Or that we're actually switching to a 4-3 and it hasn't been announced yet. I just don't see him fitting in this system worth a damn.

this guy played 1 gap on the exact same 1 gap our new DC is from

so. Our DC definitely knows the part time 2 down run stuffer hes getting.


They still dont have 1 guy on the d-line that can rush the passer, and that again will be a huge problem

[BossChief]

The Dorsey stuff didn't really make sense, anyway. I read that he voided a year of his contract and that left over 3 million worth of dead money on our cap.

Fitzpatrick cut

[candyman]

I have a very strong feeling Dorsey is gonna go somewhere and turn out a beast.

[DJ's left nut]

this guy played 1 gap on the exact same 1 gap our new DC is from

so. Our DC definitely knows the part time 2 down run stuffer hes getting.


They still dont have 1 guy on the d-line that can rush the passer, and that again will be a huge problem

Right, but that doesn't mean he should've been playing a 1-gap.

I guess if you get Jones out of Seattle and you do it reasonably, you can get quite a bit of production out of a Jones/DeVito combination and you may even do it more cheaply than pursuing a 3-down DE.

I guess I'm being a bit greedy; perhaps they're just looking for a cheap alternative to Dorsey that will allow them to address this position more creatively.

[The Bad Guy]

Was told getting Devito won't stop Canty pursuit.

[The Franchise]

Was told getting Devito won't stop Canty pursuit.

Fuck....I hope not.

[Sassy Squatch]

Was told getting Devito won't stop Canty pursuit.
Anything about SSmith?

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Fuck DeVito. Get some athletic DEs please

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Adam Teicher ‏@adamteicher

Can also confirm Jets DL Mike DeVito will visit #Chiefs. With Bob Sutton as Chiefs DC, a signing could soon follow

[Direckshun]

DeVito's about a wash with Dorsey. A bit more prototypical in size/strength.

[silver5liter]

Depressing Dorsey visiting the 49ers, hes gone

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Dorsey visiting 49ers

[Hammock Parties]

Cut Jackson now and give his money to Dorsey.

[NIUhuskies]

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RT @BrianCoz: KC Star reporting the Chiefs have reached a deal with ex-Jet DE Mike DeVito #nyj

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RT @BrianCoz: KC Star reporting the Chiefs have reached a deal with ex-Jet DE Mike DeVito #nyj

Yuck.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Just got an email about Dorsey that he's gone. Something changed over the last 48 but he's gone.

Yeah I read that on twitter...too.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Yeah I read that on twitter...too.

LOL

[Mecca]

Pretty much expected this signing all along.
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[ChiefRocka]

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:LOL:

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Joel Corry ‏@corryjoel

Mike DeVito signs a three-yr, $12.6M deal with KC. ($4.2M signing bonus, $850k '13 base salary fully GTD, 1M of '14 base injury guaranteed).

[saphojunkie]

Whatever prevents us from drafting a 4-3 DT first overall to play a 5 tech is fine by me.

[ChiefMojo]

Dorsey's replacement and a better fit.

[Ebolapox]

only good part of this signing is that I can now, without guilt, post all of the fucking pics of danny devito in always sunny that I want.

[KC kid]

Still need ropepatti or canty

[Sorter]

Still need ropepatti or canty

We just signed Rapetitti 1.5...

[Ceej]

Don't mind this signing.

[O.city]

And thats about what you should pay solid 34 DE's, not what we've been paying.

[Messier]

Good. He's a better version of Glenn Dorsey.

[DJ's left nut]

Joel Corry ‏@corryjoel

Mike DeVito signs a three-yr, $12.6M deal with KC. ($4.2M signing bonus, $850k '13 base salary fully GTD, 1M of '14 base injury guaranteed).

Jesus !@#$.

Now there's a shitty contract right there. That 2nd year better have a base of about 1.5. Even then, you'd be giving him $3.25 mil/season for the 2 good years of the deal.

That's one dubious !@#$ing contract right there.

[DJ's left nut]

Good. He's a better version of Glenn Dorsey.

No he is not. He's a maxed version of Glenn Dorsey that's as good as Dorsey on his best days but certainly not a better version of him.

DeVito is a spare part and a rotational lineman. That's about $1 mil/season too steep, IMO.

[O.city]

Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora
Mike DeVito's 3yr deal with KC is worth $12.6M with $6.2 guaranteed. Makes $5.1M in 2013

[The Franchise]

$10 million this year for our DEs.

:facepalm:

[DJ's left nut]

Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora
Mike DeVito's 3yr deal with KC is worth $12.6M with $6.2 guaranteed. Makes $5.1M in 2013

Eh, that's cheating; he's rolling the signing bonus into the first year. It's technically an accurate statement, but that does make it sound worse than it already is (which is still pretty bad).

What will make the difference between this being a bad contract and a horrid one is the 2nd year.

[O.city]

Mike Clay ‏@MikeClayNFL
Mike DeVito lined up inside on 60% of his snaps last season. Was an End in the 3-4 on the other 40%. #Chiefs #Jets

[BossChief]

$10 million this year for our DEs.

:facepalm:

That's what I thought of immediately.

That's a lot of coin for two decent starters.

[O.city]

Would have rather given that deal to Dorsey myself, but oh well.

[O.city]

Would have rather paid for Richard Seymour if we were going to overpay, but I read the JEts were big on keeping DeVito so we had to sign him away.

[KCDC]

Another free agent from the "bargain bin" added. Only problem is that we are not paying bargain prices for them.

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Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora

More on DeVito's haul- he will take home $8.6M in 1st 2 yrs and the guarantee language still being finalized, actually could end up $8M guar

[O.city]

DeVito and Fasano (and Chase Daniels for that matter) are good role players. Probably overpaid, sure, but I can't remember who said in in another thread but it's not the top 15 guys we need to upgrade, it's the next 38.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Wow. We just paid that for the rapist lineman whose nose Jimmy Dix broke at the beginning of The Last Boyscout.

[DJ's left nut]

Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora

More on DeVito's haul- he will take home $8.6M in 1st 2 yrs and the guarantee language still being finalized, actually could end up $8M guar

Oh well just fuck me in the face, then.

That's a miserable contract to give to a 2-down, 1 dimensional fat guy that doesn't even provide premier ability in the one are that he does excel.

And at that price, it almost certainly takes us out of the Canty market, regardless of what TBG has heard.

[DJ's left nut]

DeVito and Fasano (and Chase Daniels for that matter) are good role players. Probably overpaid, sure, but I can't remember who said in in another thread but it's not the top 15 guys we need to upgrade, it's the next 38.

That was me.

And this was still a massive overpay.

[BossChief]

Would have rather given that deal to Dorsey myself, but oh well.

Would have rather paid for Richard Seymour if we were going to overpay, but I read the JEts were big on keeping DeVito so we had to sign him away.

I agree with both of these, but I also like Fasano and Devito.

[Hammock Parties]

No he is not. He's a maxed version of Glenn Dorsey that's as good as Dorsey on his best days but certainly not a better version of him.

DeVito is a spare part and a rotational lineman. That's about $1 mil/season too steep, IMO.

He's a better version of Dorsey.

He's been a top 5 run defender at his position 3 years running. Had 10 QB pressures last year too which is better than Dorsey.

[Sorter]

Would have rather paid for Richard Seymour if we were going to overpay, but I read the JEts were big on keeping DeVito so we had to sign him away.

Or Bryant.

Or Canty.

Or Jason Jones

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Mike Garafolo ‏@MikeGarafolo

Bills made a push for Mike DeVito, as expected. KC delivered the knockout punch in the end. DeVito gets $12.6m over 3 yrs, $8.6m in first 2.

[Titty Meat]

This new regime is a fucking joke!

They just paid 8 mil for baltic avenue and will use the first overall pick for a right tackle after giving up two 2 round picks for Alex Smith.

Where the fuck is the outrage?

[DJ's left nut]

He's a better version of Dorsey.

He's been a top 5 run defender at his position 3 years running. Had 10 QB pressures last year too which is better than Dorsey.

He's had one of the better secondaries in the league helping him roll up those pressures.

And I'm done caring about run defenders. I'm just absolutely done with it. For years we've heard about Jackson and Dorsey as premium run defenders and how it's a sign that the D is turning around.

Fuck that. I don't care about PFF's 'run defender' rankings because they don't mean dick in the grand scheme of things. We had fantastic run defenders at DE for the last 2 years and got our shit pushed in.

I'd have far preferred someone like Jones. This guy is the DE version of Kelly Gregg. We'd have been better served to wait for the value cuts to surface in 3-4 weeks.

[BlackHelicopters]

This is good?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

This new regime is a fucking joke!

They just paid 8 mil for baltic avenue and will use the first overall pick for a right tackle after giving up two 2 round picks for Alex Smith.

Where the fuck is the outrage?

Fans are stupid. Why would you expect stupid people to do anything other than stupid things?

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?t=77057

Jet fans

[Hammock Parties]

He's had one of the better secondaries in the league helping him roll up those pressures.

And I'm done caring about run defenders. I'm just absolutely done with it. For years we've heard about Jackson and Dorsey as premium run defenders and how it's a sign that the D is turning around.

Fuck that. I don't care about PFF's 'run defender' rankings because they don't mean dick in the grand scheme of things. We had fantastic run defenders at DE for the last 2 years and got our shit pushed in.

I'd have far preferred someone like Jones. This guy is the DE version of Kelly Gregg. We'd have been better served to wait for the value cuts to surface in 3-4 weeks.

Actually Tyson Jackson has been terrible outside of one season, but I agree that it's really just a lateral move.

We replaced Dorsey with DeVito.

BFD.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Actually Tyson Jackson has been terrible outside of one season, but I agree that it's really just a lateral move.

We replaced Dorsey with DeVito.

BFD.

Yeah but i bet Dorsey wants more money

[philfree]

So our DC wanted this guy? With Pitoitua still on the roster it's the Jetsification of our D.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

2.5 sacks in 6 years.

[DJ's left nut]

http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?t=77057

Jet fans

Yup - he's Glenn Dorsey(ish).

And Jets fans essentially sound like we sounded last year.

Brace yourselves, Ganggreen, stupid organizations do stupid things. You'll hit rock bottom...and then you'll get out the shovels...

[silver5liter]

2.5 sacks in 6 years.

How many times do people have to explain this.... holy shit

[Sorter]

Rapetitty 1.5

Yay!

[mcaj22]

http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?t=77057

Jet fans

this is all i needed to see to know this is more of the same

We finished 26th overall I run D. of the players we have lost so far, Pouha could barley stay on the feild, Thomas missed a lot of time, Scott was limited and saw reduced time, only Pace and Devito were decent full time front seven run defenders. DeVito mainly played DE in 3 man fronts and DT in four man fronts. Guess what, we happen to have Wilk and Coples who both fill the same role and add a pass rush to the position as well.


the Chiefs taking other team's part time players that are capped by their skillset. joy.

[O.city]

Canty just signed in Balt.

[mcaj22]

seems like a lot of Plan B and Plan C

Chiefs wanted Canty or Dorsey, had to settle for Devito
Chiefs wanted a big name TE, had to settle for Fasano
Chiefs apparently did not want a rookie QB, had to settle for two slapdicks

apparently the Chiefs did NOT want a starting fucking ILBer, which is kind of surprising.

my life

[DJ's left nut]

Canty just signed in Balt.

Eh, Baltimore still had a worse day than we did.

Losing Ellerbe hurt them badly.

Canty had better have cost more than DeVito...

[whoman69]

Where the hell do you play him? Surely this isn't their replacement for Dorsey - he's the exact same guy. In fact, he probably has less upside than Dorsey.

I'm in favor of signing literally every single slapdick that will visit this franchise at this point (we have 25 roster spots that need to be turned over), but where does this guy present an actual improvement?

So he disappears on every passing down too?

[DJ's left nut]

So he disappears on every passing down too?

Sure looks like it.

[Bill Lundberg]

Canty is a Raven

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Matt Williamson ‏@WilliamsonNFL

DeVito is no fun to play against-and should be great influence on Poe #Chiefs

[O.city]

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet
Details on Mike DeVito's deal with the Chiefs: It's 3 years, $12.6M with more than $8M guaranteed. Solid for run-stuffing DT

[Sorter]

Matt Williamson ‏@WilliamsonNFL

DeVito is no fun to play against-and should be great influence on Poe #Chiefs

A great influence on how to be an exceptionally ineffective pass rusher.

[RyFo18]

Canty is gone to the Ravens now too.

DeVito is a nasty player. I need to watch some more of him though.

[farmerchief]

This new regime is a ****ing joke!

They just paid 8 mil for baltic avenue and will use the first overall pick for a right tackle after giving up two 2 round picks for Alex Smith.

Where the **** is the outrage? Some of you fans are so pathetic this off season! In my opinion we are adding badly needed depth at crucial positions, something we havent had for the past 10 years or so. I like what management is doing, and will give them a long leash going through the draft!:thumb:

[silver5liter]

Andy Benoit ‏@Andy_Benoit

Another HUGE under the radar FA signing: Mike DeVito to #Chiefs. He's a tremendous 3-4 D-lineman.

[O.city]

All these signings are fine for depth filling purposes. What we paid is whats not fine.

[RyFo18]

2.5 sacks in 6 years.

Oh look, people still don't know what a 3-4 DE does!

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltsomig4fc1qmf6dp.gif

[mcaj22]

All these signings are fine for depth filling purposes. What we paid is whats not fine.

Chris Canty got PEANUTS compared to this DeVito deal

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Chris Canty got PEANUTS compared to this DeVito deal

More teams wanted Devito

[DJ's left nut]

Matt Williamson ‏@WilliamsonNFL

DeVito is no fun to play against-and should be great influence on Poe #Chiefs

Like I said - DE version of Kelly Gregg.

[mcaj22]

More teams wanted Devito

who? the fucking Jets and Bills LOL

Canty just signed with the defending Super Bowl champs

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

who? the ****ing Jets and Bills LOL

Canty just signed with the defending Super Bowl champs

You do know that maybe Canty didn't wanna play in KC

[Sorter]

Oh look, people still don't know what a 3-4 DE does!

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltsomig4fc1qmf6dp.gif

What an ignorant post. ROFL.

[ChiefsCountry]

Just got an email about Dorsey that he's gone. Something changed over the last 48 but he's gone.

Should be the GM for trading for Alex Smith. Oh wait you are talking about Glenn.

[silver5liter]

You do know that maybe Canty didn't wanna play in KC

And it was just released that the packers medical staff wouldnt sign off on Canty

[Mr. Laz]

overpaid all to hell

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

The Kansas City Chiefs have agreed to terms with defensive tackle Mike DeVito.

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DeVito is considered a strong player. He is a run-stuffing defensive tackle and should make a nice pairing with Dontari Poe in a rotation that should help both players. The Chiefs are getting more stout up front.

DeVito played for new Kansas City defensive coordinator Bob Sutton with the New York Jets, where he spent the first six seasons of his career. The Chiefs, who were immensely busy in the past couple of weeks, have signed DeVito, tight end Anthony Fasano and quarterback Chase Daniel on Tuesday. They have also brought in starting quarterback Alex Smith and cornerback Dunta Robinson in addition to keeping several key free agents.

Kansas City, which went 2-14 last season, has to be one of the early winners of the NFL offseason.

In other AFC west news:

[philfree]

The Kansas City Chiefs have agreed to terms with defensive tackle Mike DeVito.

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DeVito is considered a strong player. He is a run-stuffing defensive tackle and should make a nice pairing with Dontari Poe in a rotation that should help both players. The Chiefs are getting more stout up front.

DeVito played for new Kansas City defensive coordinator Bob Sutton with the New York Jets, where he spent the first six seasons of his career. The Chiefs, who were immensely busy in the past couple of weeks, have signed DeVito, tight end Anthony Fasano and quarterback Chase Daniel on Tuesday. They have also brought in starting quarterback Alex Smith and cornerback Dunta Robinson in addition to keeping several key free agents.

Kansas City, which went 2-14 last season, has to be one of the early winners of the NFL offseason.

In other AFC west news:

And now we're living in the twighlite zone.:LOL:

[saphojunkie]

overpaid all to hell

Well whoopty shit. We underpaid on Dwayne Bowe. Or did you not see that Mike Wallace, a less-talented receiver, got 5 years, 65 million?

Yet I don't see people praising Dorsey for getting a superior player for nine million less.

This free agency class absolutely, positively must also include Bowe, Colquitt, and Albert when we are judging it.

Because right now the Super Bowl Champions are a LOT worse than they were a week ago.

[saphojunkie]

And now we're living in the twighlite zone.:LOL:

No, we're living in the era where teams lose good players to free agency. We have not done that. We have not only retained good players but made upgrades at our depth spots. And let's be very real here - we had no depth. Our third guy at almost every position didn't belong in this league.

It seems to me the KC brass is signing free agents for depth and looking to get starters in the draft.

Oh, and we still are going to sign a MLB, S, and CB. And probably another WR. This is going to be a complete overhaul.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Don't care about the 2006 version of a 3-4 DE. 3-down players, please.

[KevB]

This guy likes the deal (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Chiefs-get-a-steal-in-Mike-DeVito.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed)

[tonyetony]

I would love to see Devitos PFF numbers compared to Glenn Dorseys. I am just guessing but I think we just upgraded.

[DJ's left nut]

Well whoopty shit. We underpaid on Dwayne Bowe. Or did you not see that Mike Wallace, a less-talented receiver, got 5 years, 65 million?

Yet I don't see people praising Dorsey for getting a superior player for nine million less.

This free agency class absolutely, positively must also include Bowe, Colquitt, and Albert when we are judging it.

Because right now the Super Bowl Champions are a LOT worse than they were a week ago.

Uh...yes you did.

Like, lots of them. For days, in fact.

Many of those same people are now criticizing him for some real head-scratchers this afternoon. I don't see how that's unfair.

[philfree]

No, we're living in the era where teams lose good players to free agency. We have not done that. We have not only retained good players but made upgrades at our depth spots. And let's be very real here - we had no depth. Our third guy at almost every position didn't belong in this league.

It seems to me the KC brass is signing free agents for depth and looking to get starters in the draft.

Oh, and we still are going to sign a MLB, S, and CB. And probably another WR. This is going to be a complete overhaul.

They did a good job of keeping our own I agree. I just think most fans on this forum don't feel like they just won free agency.

[Bootlegged]

Mike Greenberg ‏@Espngreeny

Kansas City fans are going to love Mike Devito. Great motor, team guy, better player than ever got credit for. Nice signing. #Chiefs #Jets

[DJ's left nut]

Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout

Kelly Gregg to #Chiefs will be one of the more underrated signings of the season, but it's a great one.

@jamiedukes what do you think of Chiefs acquiring Kelly Gregg? GREAT Pickup!

_________________

Oh and there's more. Lots of 'em. "Kelly Gregg is an underrated, high motor player with lots of gas left in the tank". "Chiefs fans are going to love Kelly Gregg; lunchpail player".

Blah blah blah - the media loves 'grinders' with marginal talent. Especially fat white ones.

This is just another Kelly Gregg.

[Bootlegged]

Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout

Kelly Gregg to #Chiefs will be one of the more underrated signings of the season, but it's a great one.

_________________

Oh and there's more. Lots of 'em. "Kelly Gregg is an underrated, high motor player with lots of gas left in the tank". "Chiefs fans are going to love Kelly Gregg; lunchpail player".

Blah blah blah - the media loves 'grinders' with marginal talent. Especially fat white ones.

This is just another Kelly Gregg.

Oh, okay. I assume you've seen lots of game film. Guess we should start a Devito sucks thread.

[The Bad Guy]

Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout

Kelly Gregg to #Chiefs will be one of the more underrated signings of the season, but it's a great one.

@jamiedukes what do you think of Chiefs acquiring Kelly Gregg? GREAT Pickup!

_________________

Oh and there's more. Lots of 'em. "Kelly Gregg is an underrated, high motor player with lots of gas left in the tank". "Chiefs fans are going to love Kelly Gregg; lunchpail player".

Blah blah blah - the media loves 'grinders' with marginal talent. Especially fat white ones.

This is just another Kelly Gregg.

If we got a 28 year old Kelly Gregg, we should be happy.

The mid 30 Kelly Gregg? Not so much.

[DJ's left nut]

Oh, okay. I assume you've seen lots of game film. Guess we should start a Devito sucks thread.

And you have?

Why can you suck his dick without having watched hours of game tape whereas we can't criticize him?

Are you just appealing to the authority here? As though GMs never do dumb shit out of desperation or familiarity?

Here's the problem - if he's everything Sutton, Reid and Dorsey want him to be, he still doesn't matter. They know this guy isn't a pass-rusher, nothing in his career says he is. They know he's absolutely nothing more than a run-plugger and a motor guy.

In other words, he's Glenn Dorsey. And Dorsey meant nothing to this team.

The league doesn't have room for expensive run-stuffers. If you can get one cheap, great. Do it and pair him with a cheap pass-rusher. But paying starting caliber salaries to run-stuffers has gone the way of the dodo.

And I don't have to fucking watch game film of Mike DeVito to know that.

[DJ's left nut]

If we got a 28 year old Kelly Gregg, we should be happy.

The mid 30 Kelly Gregg? Not so much.

My point was that these platitudes mean nothing, regardless of age. Every undertalented fat white guy that worked hard to plug his way up the depth chart is a "character player that {insert fans here} will love."

Bullshit. Fans aren't going to love Glenn Dorsey 2.0.

[Hoover]

Here is the deal. The Chiefs know exactly what they are getting with DeVito. Hell, we are already going to need to reprogram Poe, Powe, and TJax, so getting a dude who knows the system, who seems to be the lunch pail kind of guys people here get hard-ons over if they are a walk on for training came, actually makes a lot of sense.

Did we over pay? I don't know. While all the NFL analysts focus on the big name free agents, there are guys who impact teams that never become stars. I'm fine with this signing.

[Bootlegged]

And you have?

Why can you suck his dick without having watched hours of game tape whereas we can't criticize him?

Are you just appealing to the authority here? As though GMs never do dumb shit out of desperation or familiarity?

Here's the problem - if he's everything Sutton, Reid and Dorsey want him to be, he still doesn't matter. They know this guy isn't a pass-rusher, nothing in his career says he is. They know he's absolutely nothing more than a run-plugger and a motor guy.

In other words, he's Glenn Dorsey. And Dorsey meant nothing to this team.

The league doesn't have room for expensive run-stuffers. If you can get one cheap, great. Do it and pair him with a cheap pass-rusher. But paying starting caliber salaries to run-stuffers has gone the way of the dodo.

And I don't have to ****ing watch game film of Mike DeVito to know that.

Do you come on here to pound on your keyboard to work out your frustrations? You appear to have some issues. Maybe you and the Keg guy can go play fight club and then cry over the Chiefs together.

[mcaj22]

With Wilkerson and DeVito, the Jets had two of the seven highest run defense grades for a 3-4 defensive end… and yet New York still surrendered the seventh-most rushing yards in the NFL last season. In their two games against the New England Patriots, the Jets gave up 238 rushing yards and DeVito earned a -3.9 run defense grade. Thanks to their dual-threat tight ends and running backs, the Patriots can throw out of two-tight end sets when DeVito is on the field, and run out of the spread formation when he’s on the sidelines. You’re never going to topple Tom Brady when your leading pass rusher, Wilkerson, has 37 quarterback pressures on the season. After parting ways with Calvin Pace and Bart Scott, the Jets have an opportunity to add some difference-makers to their defense. Although DeVito is a quality role player and could be a good value, he’s never going to have the impact that the Jets would get from spending their money on a pass rusher or an elite guard like Moore.

what do you think Peyton Manning is going to do all game when he sees the combo of Devito+TJax out there in base sets, hes going to audible into pass and realize you will only have to block Tamba Hali and Justin Houston with absolutely no pocket pressure up the middle from the slapdicks that cant apply any pressure. And he will pick us apart. That's what good teams do to mismatches like this. You'll be crying when there is no pocket push from this guy and teams are picking us apart on 1st and 2nd down passes. You know the same formations we have been getting beat by TEs over the middle on first down for years now because we have base d-line that cant rush and no LBer that can cover.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

what do you think Peyton Manning is going to do all game when he sees the combo of Devito+TJax out there in base sets, hes going to audible into pass and realize you will only have to block Tamba Hali and Justin Houston with absolutely no pocket pressure up the middle from the slapdicks that cant apply any pressure. And he will pick us apart. That's what good teams do to mismatches like this. You'll be crying when there is no pocket push from this guy and teams are picking us apart on 1st and 2nd down passes. You know the same formations we have been getting beat by TEs over the middle on first down for years now because we have base d-line that cant rush and no LBer that can cover.

Once again what would you do? Only got 10.6m who are you signing

[DJ's left nut]

Do you come on here to pound on your keyboard to work out your frustrations? You appear to have some issues. Maybe you and the Keg guy can go play fight club and then cry over the Chiefs together.

Your concession is noted.

[Just Passin' By]

My point was that these platitudes mean nothing, regardless of age. Every undertalented fat white guy that worked hard to plug his way up the depth chart is a "character player that {insert fans here} will love."

Bullshit. Fans aren't going to love Glenn Dorsey 2.0.

They'll absolutely love him if he's just used as a 1st down guy and is just a small cog in the machine. They'll hate him after about game 2 if the Chiefs try making him an every down player. It'll probably fall somewhere in between.

[DJ's left nut]

what do you think Peyton Manning is going to do all game when he sees the combo of Devito+TJax out there in base sets, hes going to audible into pass and realize you will only have to block Tamba Hali and Justin Houston with absolutely no pocket pressure up the middle from the slapdicks that cant apply any pressure. And he will pick us apart. That's what good teams do to mismatches like this. You'll be crying when there is no pocket push from this guy and teams are picking us apart on 1st and 2nd down passes. You know the same formations we have been getting beat by TEs over the middle on first down for years now because we have base d-line that cant rush and no LBer that can cover.

We now have a 1-gap system with D-Lineman that can't shoot the gap.

It's essentially the worst of both worlds at this point; our D-Lineman are still not going to get to the QB and they won't be able to keep guys off Hali or Houston because they aren't using a 2-gap technique anymore.

From where I sit, our pass rush will actually be worse next season.

But hey - RUN STUFFERS!!!! YEAAAAAAH!

[DJ's left nut]

They'll absolutely love him if he's just used as a 1st down guy and is just a small cog in the machine. They'll hate him after about game 2 if the Chiefs try making him an every down player. It'll probably fall somewhere in between.

At $4 million/season, if he's a 1st down guy, we've done something exceptionally foolish.

[Hoover]

Tom Brady was also throwing to Gronkowski and Hernandez with Welker in the picture too. Peyton is throwing to Tamme. Come on dude.

[Just Passin' By]

At $4 million/season, if he's a 1st down guy, we've done something exceptionally foolish.

I agree. I would have been happy to have him as a rotational guy for the Patriots, but not at anywhere near that high a price. I was just referring to the part about the fans.

[mcaj22]

yea and we cant even cover a turd like Tamme so what does that tell you

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Chiefs as of today had 2 DE on the roster this is a great move for the Chiefs.

[ChiefRocka]

This place is getting lame. Every move sucks....really?!?

[MotherfuckerJones]

You disgruntled fans will flip flop

[O.city]

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft
That seems like a good chunk of money for Desmond Bryant. Browns may be shopping Phil Taylor.


Can Taylor rush the passer?

[Hammock Parties]

We now have a 1-gap system with D-Lineman that can't shoot the gap.

It's essentially the worst of both worlds at this point; our D-Lineman are still not going to get to the QB and they won't be able to keep guys off Hali or Houston because they aren't using a 2-gap technique anymore.

From where I sit, our pass rush will actually be worse next season.

But hey - RUN STUFFERS!!!! YEAAAAAAH!

I have no idea what we're doing on defense but with the linemen they have I'd be shocked if they're not gonna keep the 2-gap.

[Sorter]

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft
That seems like a good chunk of money for Desmond Bryant. Browns may be shopping Phil Taylor.


Can Taylor rush the passer?

LMAO

I'm sure Ray Horton is wanting them to get rid of their NT who can you know, actually get upfield.

[The Franchise]

LMAO

I'm sure Ray Horton is wanting them to get rid of their NT who can you know, actually get upfield.

This.

[O.city]

LMAO

I'm sure Ray Horton is wanting them to get rid of their NT who can you know, actually get upfield.

After the whole Horton fiasco, I'd like to take him from Horton.


Although I guess that isn't his fault.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Solid signing. Some of you guys are fucked up.

[Molitoth]

You disgruntled fans will flip flop

You true fans will stay true for the next upcoming mediocre seasons, until the next rebuild. Keep sending that money!

[O.city]

You true fans will stay true for the next upcoming mediocre seasons, until the next rebuild. Keep sending that money!

I'm a true fan now, so yes we enjoy it.

[mcaj22]

ill never understand how a lateral move for the exact same skillset is a solid signing

glenn dorsey, mike devito, its the same thing and you will see it on sundays and get the same results/situations that get you upset about the Chiefs. I know you want to be optimistic but unless they pull out some big time picks in the draft, where is the upgrade

[The Bad Guy]

My point was that these platitudes mean nothing, regardless of age. Every undertalented fat white guy that worked hard to plug his way up the depth chart is a "character player that {insert fans here} will love."

Bullshit. Fans aren't going to love Glenn Dorsey 2.0.

I think if the run D is stout, they will.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Dorsey may just want to go somewhere else. You have no idea what he was offered or is wanting. Yes, this is a solid signing, but keep crying all you want about it.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

ill never understand how a lateral move for the exact same skillset is a solid signing

glenn dorsey, mike devito, its the same thing and you will see it on sundays and get the same results/situations that get you upset about the Chiefs. I know you want to be optimistic but unless they pull out some big time picks in the draft, where is the upgrade

Not really a Lateral move. DORSEY IS A FA. Chiefs had 2 DE on the roster this morning now they have 3. Devito>>>>>Dorsey

[oldandslow]

You true fans will stay true for the next upcoming mediocre seasons, until the next rebuild. Keep sending that money!

Yeah, cause you are so much smarter than those of us that might want to go see the team we root for play a football game....

Good grief this place is a mess.

I suspect this is going to be a very good football team in a couple of years....

[ChiefRocka]

ill never understand how a lateral move for the exact same skillset is a solid signing

glenn dorsey, mike devito, its the same thing and you will see it on sundays and get the same results/situations that get you upset about the Chiefs. I know you want to be optimistic but unless they pull out some big time picks in the draft, where is the upgrade

For staters Dorsey is an injured midget.

[Sorter]

After the whole Horton fiasco, I'd like to take him from Horton.


Although I guess that isn't his fault.

The fact that he wanted to come here makes me have a strong dislike towards AZ.


They deserve years of Cassel and a DC who will emphasize 2-gap principles.

[mcaj22]

Not really a Lateral move. DORSEY IS A FA. Chiefs had 2 DE on the roster this morning now they have 3. Devito>>>>>Dorsey

okay, ill bite. What in your honest opinion, makes DeVito better than Dorsey by five greater than signs

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

okay, ill bite. What in your honest opinion, makes DeVito better than Dorsey by five greater than signs

DeVito has been in the top 10 the last 3 years for DE.

[DJ's left nut]

I have no idea what we're doing on defense but with the linemen they have I'd be shocked if they're not gonna keep the 2-gap.

This is tragically accurate.

This set of D-lineman would be !@#$ing awful in a 1-gap.

Jackson and DeVito are clear 2-gap guys and frankly Poe doesn't have the technique to be a 1-gap guy at this point.

But hey, at least we have a proven badass DC to run the show for us. I'm sure it'll be great.

[Bootlegged]

KC should sign LB James Anderson who was released by Panthers today. Perfect fit next to DJ. Not too expensive either.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Spending 100 million on 3 players gets you no where. How well did it help the Bucs last year?

[Sorter]

DeVito has been in the top 10 the last 3 years for DE.

Against the run.

[Sorter]

This is tragically accurate.

This set of D-lineman would be !@#$ing awful in a 1-gap.

Jackson and DeVito are clear 2-gap guys and frankly Poe doesn't have the technique to be a 1-gap guy at this point.

But hey, at least we have a proven badass DC to run the show for us. I'm sure it'll be great.

Yup.


Fucking Arizona. Ray Horton wouldn't have stood for this bullshit.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Against the run.

Yes and the chiefs only have Jackson and Bailey on the Roster before this tell me where the Run stopping DE was coming from?

[mcaj22]

Yup.


****ing Arizona. Ray Horton wouldn't have stood for this bullshit.

the Browns went out and got some pass rushers for Horton to play with lol

[O.city]

Would have liked Desmond Bryant, not sure what they payed for him though.


I'd still like to bring in Seymour on a fair deal.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Would have liked Desmond Bryant, not sure what they payed for him though.


I'd still like to bring in Seymour on a fair deal.

Bryant got 5y 34m you still want him?

[Hoover]

Would have liked Desmond Bryant, not sure what they payed for him though.


I'd still like to bring in Seymour on a fair deal.
Yes, we need to sign big name players so we feel better about ourselves this offseason. The only real head scratcher today is the QB IMO, but we needed a backup

[mcaj22]

Yes and the chiefs only have Jackson and Bailey on the Roster before this tell me where the Run stopping DE was coming from?

you better check again, there are 7 d-lineman currently on this roster

and before you say they are all camp fodder, they are going to be set at the line between Devito and whatever draft pick they use. So that's two more guys, a lot of those crappy d-lineman they expect to make this team, and play in the rotation

[Sorter]

Yes and the chiefs only have Jackson and Bailey on the Roster before this tell me where the Run stopping DE was coming from?

Hopefully nowhere. I'd be much happier going into the season without a run stopping DE and a legitimate pass rusher from the 3 tech than what he have now, which is a roster devoid of any effective interior rushers.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

you better check again, there are 7 d-lineman currently on this roster

and before you say they are all camp fodder, they are going to be set at the line between Devito and whatever draft pick they use. So that's two more guys, a lot of those crappy d-lineman they expect to make this team, and play in the rotation

Only DE on the chiefs roster for 2013 Jackson Bailey. Just keep making stuff up i guess

[mcaj22]

lol so not true

Daniel Muir
Anthony Toribio
Tyson Jackson
Jerrell Powe
Allen Bailey
Mike Devito
Dontari Poe
Marcus Dixon

actually very true.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Nice naming camp fodder

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Daniel Muir LOL Camp body
Anthony Toribio DT
Tyson Jackson DE
Jerrell Powe DT
Allen Bailey DE
Mike Devito Why are you counting him i said before
Dontari Poe DT
Marcus Dixon LOL camp body

actually very true.


FYP

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Nice naming camp fodder

Yup

[mcaj22]

youre not going to be happy when some of that camp fodder sadly makes the team cause they are just throwing numbers at the position rather than quality.

[mcaj22]

half that list is the same unproven turds that have been making the team the last 2 to 3 years and they not only did nothing to upgrade it, so why wouldnt they make the team again? plus the other clowns they signed. Where are they going to get more competition at d-line? the draft? UDFA? So if they bring in a mid round pick and 3 or 4 UDFAs, that's still at least 2 unproven d-lineman that make the team, whether its the camp fodder vets or unknown rookies.

you are going to war with Devito and Jackson as your starters and no pass rushers. Face it

[Braincase]

If he plays small, can we call him "Danny"?

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

half that list is the same unproven turds that have been making the team the last 2 to 3 years and they not only did nothing to upgrade it, so why wouldnt they make the team again? plus the other clowns they signed. Where are they going to get more competition at d-line? the draft? UDFA? So if they bring in a mid round pick and 3 or 4 UDFAs, that's still at least 2 unproven d-lineman that make the team, whether its the camp fodder vets or unknown rookies.

you are going to war with Devito and Jackson as your starters and no pass rushers. Face it



Are you this fucking dumb? FA is 6 hours old. How about we see how the whole OFF Season plays out

[MeatRock]

half that list is the same unproven turds that have been making the team the last 2 to 3 years and they not only did nothing to upgrade it, so why wouldnt they make the team again? plus the other clowns they signed. Where are they going to get more competition at d-line? the draft? UDFA? So if they bring in a mid round pick and 3 or 4 UDFAs, that's still at least 2 unproven d-lineman that make the team, whether its the camp fodder vets or unknown rookies.

you are going to war with Devito and Jackson as your starters and no pass rushers. Face it

So you're saying Dorsey was a pass rusher?

[mcaj22]

Are you this ****ing dumb? FA is 6 hours old. How about we see how the whole OFF Season plays out

not as dumb as you thinking this great d-line option is going to shake free and get cut and the Chiefs are going to sign him

there's nothing out there.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

not as dumb as you thinking this great d-line option is going to shake free and get cut and the Chiefs are going to sign him

there's nothing out there.

Thing called the draft

[mcaj22]

Thing called the draft

oh so that 2nd round pick we dont have?

or use our 3rd round pick and put our whole season on him starting?

great idea

[Pasta Little Brioni]

not as dumb as you thinking this great d-line option is going to shake free and get cut and the Chiefs are going to sign him

there's nothing out there.

So, what are you bitching about again?

[mcaj22]

So, what are you bitching about again?

im not the one bitching, im the one saying they are throwing numbers at the position and hoping some stick and you homers are trying to say theres only two DEs on the roster

[MeatRock]

I don't understand his rant at all. So, we let Dorsey walk and sign DeVito, so fucking what. It's a wash.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Chiefs get a steal in Mike DeVito

Six-year veteran lands in Kansas City on a three-year deal. Joe Fortenbaugh
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Big-name signings like the Mike Wallace-to-Miami blockbuster will dominate the headlines at the conclusion of free agency’s first day, but deals such as the one Kansas City pulled off on Tuesday will deserve far more praise.

Mike DeVitoThe Chiefs got some exceptional value with the DeVito signing.

Per multiple reports, the Chiefs have reached an agreement on a three-year deal with former Jets defensive end Mike DeVito. The contract is worth a total of $12.6 million and comes with $6.2 million guaranteed.

Far from a household name, DeVito is a rock solid 3-4 defensive end who amassed 52 tackles in 15 starts with New York last season. According to Pro Football Focus, the 28-year-old from Maine graded out as the tenth-best 3-4 DE in 2012.

It may not be the sexiest of signings to come on Tuesday, but it has the potential to be one of the most productive. The acquisition adds to an already impressive offseason for Kansas City, who traded for quarterback Alex Smith, re-signed wide receiver Dwayne Bowe and punter Dustin Colquitt and slapped the franchise tag on offensive tackle Branden Albert.

Oh yeah. Let’s not forget that Kansas City still holds the first overall selection in April’s draft, as well.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

The only argument that rivals, "Well, you're not a GM" is the "Well, Team X only had so many guys at that position before today."

The point isn't to fill out a roster as soon as fucking possible, it's to fill it out with talented players for reasonable prices, and DeVito is neither of those.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

im not the one bitching, im the one saying they are throwing numbers at the position and hoping some stick and you homers are trying to say theres only two DEs on the roster

Riiiight

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

The only argument that rivals, "Well, you're not a GM" is the "Well, Team X only had so many guys at that position before today."

The point isn't to fill out a roster as soon as ****ing possible, it's to fill it out with talented players for reasonable prices, and DeVito is neither of those.

See post above this

['Hamas' Jenkins]

At least the Chiefs' defense can stop the least important part of the offensive game now. I'm sure that will help them when they are on the 10th play of a drive because they can't get off the field due to an absent pass rush.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Who gives a fuck what Joe Fortenbaugh says?

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

At least the Chiefs' defense can stop the least important part of the offensive game now. I'm sure that will help them when they are on the 10th play of a drive because they can't get off the field due to an absent pass rush.

JFC the fucking off season is 6 hours old

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Who gives a **** what Joe Fortenbaugh says?

Who gives a shit what you think?

[Micjones]

Some of you will bitch no matter what.
Solid signing. Two down player who is an excellent run stuffer.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Who gives a shit what you think?

Are you posting my take as evidence? No. You're posting Fortenbaugh's; hence the question, Twitter-junkie.

[mcaj22]

6 hours old and you still have to get a starting LB, CB, RT, and D-lineman.

I dont know where you think they are finding all of that in FA. The draft yes, but just like they backed themselves into taking an olineman in the first round you can now make a solid argument they need any of those d-lineman in the first round too.

[O.city]

Dorsey was a good run stuffer and everyone bitched about having no pass rush, so I assume you won't bitch when DeVito gets none either?

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

6 hours old and you still have to get a starting LB, CB, RT, and D-lineman.

I dont know where you think they are finding all of that in FA. The draft yes, but just like they backed themselves into taking an olineman in the first round you can now make a solid argument they need any of those d-lineman in the first round too.

I forgot all the free agents are signed my bad.

[DJ's left nut]

JFC the fucking off season is 6 hours old

Their D-Line contains a #3 overall pick making $4.5 million, a FA making #4 million and a #10 overall pick making something similar.

Just exactly where do you think the pass-rush is going to come from now? Those are your 3 primary linemen, sport.

Time isn't going to change that. 3 weeks from now, this pass-rush is still going to suck dicks.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Dorsey was a good run stuffer and everyone bitched about having no pass rush, so I assume you won't bitch when DeVito gets none either?

Devito is better

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Some of you will bitch no matter what.
Solid signing. Two down player who is an excellent run stuffer.

We can stop the run.
We've got a QB who can manage the game.
We've got a RB who can break the game open.


If this was 1986 we'd be a fucking force.

[Sorter]

Some of you will bitch no matter what.
Solid signing. One down player who is an excellent run stuffer.

Fixed

[mcaj22]

I forgot all the free agents are signed my bad.

we just hired a GM and HC that have the philosophy of "build through the draft" and your counter to me is "veteran free agents"

you think Andy Reid and John Dorsey are just going to sign all these stop gap veterans and not go to battle not afraid to start some mid to late round picks or UDFA that win out in camp you better think again, it's going to be a long offseason for you if you think they are filling all those holes.

[Saccopoo]

Well, his tackles in 2012 eclipses any total that Dorsey had in any of his four years with the Chiefs.

Progress.

[RunKC]

we just hired a GM and HC that have the philosophy of "build through the draft" and your counter to me is "veteran free agents"

you think Andy Reid and John Dorsey are just going to sign all these stop gap veterans and not go to battle not afraid to start some mid to late round picks or UDFA that win out in camp you better think again, it's going to be a long offseason for you if you think they are filling all those holes.

We can't fix every hole on this team in the first year bud.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

we just hired a GM and HC that have the philosophy of "build through the draft" and your counter to me is "veteran free agents"

you think Andy Reid and John Dorsey are just going to sign all these stop gap veterans and not go to battle not afraid to start some mid to late round picks or UDFA that win out in camp you better think again, it's going to be a long offseason for you if you think they are filling all those holes.

They have to make up for Pioli draft the last 4 years.

[MeatRock]

A solid scheme with overload stunts, etc. can make up for individual pass rushing talent. Brasher's defenses always had great sack numbers from their D-lineman and linebackers.

[O.city]

We can't fix every hole on this team in the first year bud.

You're never going to fix every hole.

[MotherfuckerJones]

People forget this coaching staff will make this team improve by default, add in FAs, Draft and Preseason cuts. Im fine lets get it

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Bart Hubbuch ‏@HubbuchNYP

Desmond Bryant got $15 million in guaranteed money for 18 career NFL starts. What a country!

[RunKC]

As of right now I think this team is competing for a 5th or 6th seed next year.

We don't have the QB we want, but I'll settle for 1 playoff win next year as progress.

[Hammock Parties]

We can stop the run.
We've got a QB who can manage the game.
We've got a RB who can break the game open.


If this was 1986 we'd be a fucking force.

In 1983 the Chiefs had 4,000-yard passer.

We're going backwards.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Price is right i would go get Richard Seymour

[O.city]

In Reids offense, Smith is going to have to be more than a game manager.

[MotherfuckerJones]

I would sign Seymour too. He can be a bull rusher and effective big pass rusher for a 1 or 2 yr deal

[DJ's left nut]

A solid scheme with overload stunts, etc. can make up for individual pass rushing talent. Brasher's defenses always had great sack numbers from their D-lineman and linebackers.

Eh, to a degree.

Schemes could make someone like Jackson a passable rusher; maybe 5-6 sacks in a good year. But it will never EVER make DeVito worth a damn at getting to the QB, no matter what scheme to run, no matter what stunts you put in.

He has one role and it's an antiquated one.

[Just Passin' By]

Devito is better

No, he's not.

[DJ's left nut]

In Reids offense, Smith is going to have to be more than a game manager.

With this defense he will as well.

Reid's ensured that the way to beat his defense is to put the ball in the air. That's a pretty poor way to protect a game manager of a QB.

Reid must see in Alex Smith a guy that can throw for 4,000 yards and 30 TDs. If he doesn't, he's really fucked up this defense.

[O.city]

I don't think Devito is necessarily the nail in the coffin you think DJ, but I do agree.

[mcaj22]

i was really hoping they were going to a 1 gap and unless they are drafting one of these d-lineman guys in the first round, i think this current makeup is purely 2 gap as there isnt even a passable 1 gap d-lineman left in FA

[Just Passin' By]

A solid scheme with overload stunts, etc. can make up for individual pass rushing talent. Brasher's defenses always had great sack numbers from their D-lineman and linebackers.

Devito was playing for a blitz happy coach and DC. You might find DeVito suddenly being extra stout against the run or getting to the QB. If he does, though, it'll be completely contrary to what he's been. He's a solid run stopper, and that's it. He's not an elite run stopper, and he's not a pass rusher.

[mcaj22]

Devito was playing both base defense and in pass rush situations until they finally had enough and drafted a pass rusher to platoon with him on passing downs (Quinton Coples)

enough said.

[MeatRock]

Eh, to a degree.

Schemes could make someone like Jackson a passable rusher; maybe 5-6 sacks in a good year. But it will never EVER make DeVito worth a damn at getting to the QB, no matter what scheme to run, no matter what stunts you put in.

He has one role and it's an antiquated one.

Meh, you may well be right, although i would have liked to see what Dorsey could have done under Brasher's tutelage in a stunt heavy scheme.

[DJ's left nut]

Meh, you may well be right, although i would have liked to see what Dorsey could have done under Brasher's tutelage in a stunt heavy scheme.

Yeah, that would've been interesting. Dorsey actually had a little to work with in that department.

We've somehow...amazingly...taken a step backwards at rushing the passer from Glenn Dorsey.

Remarkable.

[MeatRock]

Devito was playing for a blitz happy coach and DC. You might find DeVito suddenly being extra stout against the run or getting to the QB. If he does, though, it'll be completely contrary to what he's been. He's a solid run stopper, and that's it. He's not an elite run stopper, and he's not a pass rusher.

The problem was he was playing under Washburns wide nine, everyone rush recklessly towards the QB scheme, which took d-line players out of the play's too quickly.

[mcaj22]

on what planet was DeVito in a wide 9

pluto? mars?

[DJ's left nut]

i was really hoping they were going to a 1 gap and unless they are drafting one of these d-lineman guys in the first round, i think this current makeup is purely 2 gap as there isnt even a passable 1 gap d-lineman left in FA

Mother. Fucker.

I didn't even see that Cullen Jenkins had already signed. And for substantially less than DeVito.

What a bumblefuck this D-line has become. Good job, guys.

[mcaj22]

Mother. ****er.

I didn't even see that Cullen Jenkins had already signed. And for substantially less than DeVito.

What a bumble**** this D-line has become. Good job, guys.

gotta hope a stopgap veteran becomes a cap casualty just like all these ILBers that shook free today, I hope they sign one/any of them

[DJ's left nut]

Devito was playing for a blitz happy coach and DC. You might find DeVito suddenly being extra stout against the run or getting to the QB. If he does, though, it'll be completely contrary to what he's been. He's a solid run stopper, and that's it. He's not an elite run stopper, and he's not a pass rusher.

What 'he's been' is cheap.

Well he's certainly not that anymore, so here's hoping he's going to become all kinds of other things he's never been before in his entire career. Ever. College or Pro.

Fucking fuck.

[MeatRock]

on what planet was DeVito in a wide 9

pluto? mars?

you're right was thinking of the eagles defense not the Jets. Brain fart moment.

[RyFo18]

What an ignorant post. ROFL.

Explain please.

[RyFo18]

Fixed

Please point me to the 3-4 DEs that are putting up high sack numbers. Watt (duh, he's not even playing a prototypical 3-4 DE spot anyway)? Calais Campbell? Ngata?

Your logic basically says that if we can't have a top tier 3-4 DE then we shouldn't have any at all. Ignorant. You'll struggle to find a 3-4 DE that is posting 5 sacks a year.

And yes, it's clear you don't understand the position at all. Corey Liuget, another 3-4 DE w/ decent sack numbers (7), plays in SD's 1-gap 3-4 defense...He's supposed to penetrate and get to the QB.

If you want to call me ignorant, please at least bring some substance as to why, rather than posting a nice 1-liner to get some laughs.

[DaneMcCloud]

Mother. Fucker.

I didn't even see that Cullen Jenkins had already signed. And for substantially less than DeVito.

What a bumblefuck this D-line has become. Good job, guys.

Cullen Jenkins is 32 years old.

[mcaj22]

Please point me to the 3-4 DEs that are putting up high sack numbers. Watt (duh, he's not even playing a prototypical 3-4 DE spot anyway)? Calais Campbell? Ngata?

Your logic basically says that if we can't have a top tier 3-4 DE then we shouldn't have any at all. Ignorant. You'll struggle to find a 3-4 DE that is posting 5 sacks a year.

And yes, it's clear you don't understand the position at all. Corey Liuget, another 3-4 DE w/ decent sack numbers (7), plays in SD's 1-gap 3-4 defense...He's supposed to penetrate and get to the QB.

If you want to call me ignorant, please at least bring some substance as to why, rather than posting a nice 1-liner to get some laughs.

we are not really looking at sack totals here, that's kind of deceiving.

what some of us want is a d-lineman that can apply pressure, and generate pressures, hurries, knockdowns, stops, etc. A d-lineman that makes it easier on Tamba Hali, Justin Houston, etc. If there is no hard push up the middle or a collapse of the pocket it makes it very hard on the guys shooting the edges, cause not only is the QB not being flushed to their lanes, the OLBers now have to collapse the pocket themselves also, and that's hard to do it. The goal of a 1 gap disruptor is to just get a pocket QB off his mark, and push him to the guys who are trained to finish with a sack.

We havent done this in 4 years under the 34, which is why we constantly have the lowest sack totals in the league, you are basically saying that Hali and Houston have to get to the QB based on their natural talent or we dont get to him at all.

if a DE or DT has 5 to 7 sacks on top of the OLBer's 11+, that DOES go a long way. But we have been riding on Tamba Hali and Justin Houston for years and then absolutely nothing. Dontari Poe could be that guy, but he has a long was to go.

[Hoover]

And people would have bitched if we would have signed Jenkins.

It's always easy to bitch and second guess.

Still just thankful that Pioli is out of here.

[DaneMcCloud]

And people would have bitched if we would have signed Jenkins.

It's always easy to bitch and second guess.

Still just thankful that ***** is out of here.

Yep, there's no way to win in this forum.

***** doesn't spend money in free agency? He and Clark Hunt are cheap and don't care about winning.

Dorsey and Reid spend money in free agency? Everyone is overpaid and the front office and coach are both complete and utter morons who just want to go .500.

[Ceej]

Yep, there's no way to win in this forum.

***** doesn't spend money in free agency? He and Clark Hunt are cheap and don't care about winning.

Dorsey and Reid spend money in free agency? Everyone is overpaid and the front office and coach are both complete and utter morons who just want to go .500.

Nature of the beast.

People would find something to bitch about if the Chiefs ever won the Superbowl.

[MotherfuckerJones]

I really wish we wouldve signed Ellerbe, Wheeler, and Wallace to those $$$ JUST to see the bitching for overspending. Guys chill the fuck out! You call Clark cheap, now theyre spending and you still bitch? Go to bed leave the forum to the men

[ThatRaceCardGuy]

JFC...I`m ready to just say fuck it at this point. Dorsey looks to be going the way of Pioli in resigning Herm`s guys, and trading for noodle arm game managers . At some point you would think the football gods would give us a fucking break, but I don`t see that happening anytime soon. We`re headed for six years of mediocre picks and teams, resulting in one or two- one and done playoff runs followed by half filled "sale outs" and local media kissing Reid`s ass and not holding him or Dorsey to the fire.

Thank god we have tailgating tho..am I right boys...come one boys! Tailgating dynasty right here boys!

[RyFo18]

we are not really looking at sack totals here, that's kind of deceiving.

what some of us want is a d-lineman that can apply pressure, and generate pressures, hurries, knockdowns, stops, etc. A d-lineman that makes it easier on Tamba Hali, Justin Houston, etc. If there is no hard push up the middle or a collapse of the pocket it makes it very hard on the guys shooting the edges, cause not only is the QB not being flushed to their lanes, the OLBers now have to collapse the pocket themselves also, and that's hard to do it. The goal of a 1 gap disruptor is to just get a pocket QB off his mark, and push him to the guys who are trained to finish with a sack.

We havent done this in 4 years under the 34, which is why we constantly have the lowest sack totals in the league, you are basically saying that Hali and Houston have to get to the QB based on their natural talent or we dont get to him at all.

if a DE or DT has 5 to 7 sacks on top of the OLBer's 11+, that DOES go a long way. But we have been riding on Tamba Hali and Justin Houston for years and then absolutely nothing. Dontari Poe could be that guy, but he has a long was to go.

Right, but then when there is any talk of drafting Star at #1 overall everyone wants to complain, "oh another fuckin 3-4 d-lineman, blah blah blah". These elite 3-4 DEs don't grow on trees.

Kansas City has played a 2-gap 3-4 and can shift to more of a traditional 2-4-5 or 2-3-6 look on passing down. Here the DEs are tasked w/ more of a 1-gap responsibility. Can you point me to some 4-3 DTs that are posting huge sack numbers every year? I mean, outside of the top 4, you don't see it.

[MeatRock]

JFC...I`m ready to just say **** it at this point. Dorsey looks to be going the way of ***** in resigning Herm`s guys, and trading for noodle arm game managers . At some point you would think the football gods would give us a ****ing break, but I don`t see that happening anytime soon. We`re headed for six years of mediocre picks and teams, resulting in one or two- one and done playoff runs followed by half filled "sale outs" and local media kissing Reid`s ass and not holding him or Dorsey to the fire.

Thank god we have tailgating tho..am I right boys...come one boys! Tailgating dynasty right here boys!

Did you already jump and this is the ghost of Thatguy posting?

[DJ's left nut]

And people would have bitched if we would have signed Jenkins.

It's always easy to bitch and second guess.

Still just thankful that ***** is out of here.

Oh for fucks sake - I defended Alex fucking Smith. Don't give me that bullshit; I'm fully capable of viewing each decision on its own merits.

This particular decision is !@#$ing asinine. Giving $4 million/season to an obsolete part that also makes it cost prohibitive to get him a decent platoon partner is absurdly stupid in this environment. Especially if you're going to utilize a ball control offense.

They're asking teams to deal with their defense in the absolute worst possible way for them to counter with their offense.

Putting together a run-plugging D-Line, goading teams into passing on you when you have a game-manager at QB is just a very poor idea.

Jenkins, while older, does get push. He does have pass-rushing technique and is capable of presenting a credible threat as a pass-rusher. He'd have been a significantly better fit than DeVito.

But hey, in lieu of a substantive defense, it's always easier to just make grousing generalities about people who deign to disagree with the powers that be.

How'd that work for you that last 1/2 decade or so, eh sport?

[DaneMcCloud]

Oh for fucks sake - I defended Alex fucking Smith. Don't give me that bullshit; I'm fully capable of viewing each decision on its own merits.

This particular decision is !@#$ing asinine. Giving $4 million/season to an obsolete part that also makes it cost prohibitive to get him a decent platoon partner is absurdly stupid in this environment. Especially if you're going to utilize a ball control offense.

They're asking teams to deal with their defense in the absolute worst possible way for them to counter with their offense.

Putting together a run-plugging D-Line, goading teams into passing on you when you have a game-manager at QB is just a very poor idea.

Jenkins, while older, does get push. He does have pass-rushing technique and is capable of presenting a credible threat as a pass-rusher. He'd have been a significantly better fit than DeVito.

But hey, in lieu of a substantive defense, it's always easier to just make grousing generalities about people who deign to disagree with the powers that be.

How'd that work for you that last 1/2 decade or so, eh sport?

The way I look at is that Chiefs are way under the cap. Supposedly, they're going have multiple looks with 3-4 and 4-3 defenses, depending on the situation. DeVito is supposedly a beast against the run, so you get a guy for $5 million this year that can help out in goal line situations.

If he's able to do even more, great. If not, you've got a run stuffer on the cheap, especially after 2013.

[MotherfuckerJones]

We need a nastyness and added that!! Im glad. I want a tough D, with Robinson and DeVito we added that

[DaneMcCloud]

We need a nastyness and added that!! Im glad. I want a tough D, with Robinson and DeVito we added that

I know it's wishful thinking but *maybe* some of that nastiness will rub off on Powe, Poe and Jackson.

[MotherfuckerJones]

I know it's wishful thinking but *maybe* some of that nastiness will rub off on Powe, Poe and Jackson.

I think Poe can get it. Not sure on the other too. I liked the way Poe was pushing the pocket. I really liked the Poe pick last year I know I was in the minority.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Ive alway been so mad the past years seeing how soft our D was. I wana see a D send a message and knock a motherfucker out and let em know hey were to WIN

[DJ's left nut]

The way I look at is that Chiefs are way under the cap. Supposedly, they're going have multiple looks with 3-4 and 4-3 defenses, depending on the situation. DeVito is supposedly a beast against the run, so you get a guy for $5 million this year that can help out in goal line situations.

If he's able to do even more, great. If not, you've got a run stuffer on the cheap, especially after 2013.

Sorry, but that's not cheap; his 2013 figure isn't much better.

If we converted to a 4-3 and would put him alongside Poe, I'd honestly be okay with it; at that point he's Dan Saleamua. No problems there.

But he's just guaranteeing that the ceiling on this defense remains absolute crap as the RDE, especially with Jackson as the LDE.

Sure, if they run a lot of 4-3 looks, I'll live. I think that would require that Hali put his hand back on the ground which is where I think he'll end up in the next couple of seasons anyway, though. Are they willing to ask him to do that?

[O.city]

The way I look at is that Chiefs are way under the cap. Supposedly, they're going have multiple looks with 3-4 and 4-3 defenses, depending on the situation. DeVito is supposedly a beast against the run, so you get a guy for $5 million this year that can help out in goal line situations.

If he's able to do even more, great. If not, you've got a run stuffer on the cheap, especially after 2013.

If I read it right, we aren't that far under. With these moves, IIRC, we only have about 10 mil left to spend, and thats before the 5 million for rookies.

[DJ's left nut]

If I read it right, we aren't that far under. With these moves, IIRC, we only have about 10 mil left to spend, and thats before the 5 million for rookies.

It looks like death by 1,000 papercuts to me.

It's the high price of mediocrity that kills. Somebody's going to wait until all the FA hoopla dies down and they're going to get an adequate run-stuffer for a hair over the veteran minimum. That guy's going to be a solid rotational player; which is all that DeVito should be.

If that's the player you're looking for, then you let the idiots in NYJ overpay for him.

[DaneMcCloud]

Sorry, but that's not cheap; his 2013 figure isn't much better.

I disagree. The Chiefs have to spend a shit load this year. There's no way they can pull the "$30 million under the cap" nonsense, regardless of cash payouts.

The cap has gone up at least $2 million from 2012 to $123 million, so DeVito's cheap after this year. And I doubt they're finished spending.

If we converted to a 4-3 and would put him alongside Poe, I'd honestly be okay with it; at that point he's Dan Saleamua. No problems there.

But he's just guaranteeing that the ceiling on this defense remains absolute crap as the RDE, especially with Jackson as the LDE.

They're not converting for a 4-3.

Sure, if they run a lot of 4-3 looks, I'll live. I think that would require that Hali put his hand back on the ground which is where I think he'll end up in the next couple of seasons anyway, though. Are they willing to ask him to do that?

The Jets had a badass defense in 2009 and 2010. They had a lot of rotational players, a solid secondary and a solid linebacking corp. IMO, the Chiefs are more talented than the Jets during those years, so it's up to Sutton to scheme properly.

All we can hope is that he learned from Rex.