-- Gaz shares his opinion on Smith + recent Chiefs activity.

[Simply Red]

Yesterday, 01:23 PM
Gaz
Defense Homer




Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Rancho Gaz
Casino cash: $9771
Re: Hi Gaz


Hi SR-

Good to hear from you. We are fine & I hope you are well, too.

Heh. Like almost everything on the Planet, Geno is such a polarizing subject. Amazing to me how emotionally invested folks are in opposing opinions about a football player. I've seen political & religious conversations with less heat.

I think Smith is probably the QB prospect that is most ready for the NFL right now. But he is also the best QB in a very , VERY lean QB draft year. Whatever college QB rises to the top of the "must draft" lists always becomes larger than life. His strengths & flaws are magnified & obsessively examined. And then they are blown completely out of proportion. I think Geno Smith is the best of a lesser lot & is being hyped way out of proportion to his ability.

Had we not traded for Alex Smith, I would not have been horrified by Geno at #1. We needed a QB & it has been so long since we drafted & developed our own homegrown. But I still thought that OL or DL was more critical. I know OL in the First Round is anathema to a lot of fans, but you gotta secure the line. I think we should go for a Offensive Tackle or someone who can bring a pass rush. I know that would be chum in the water at the Planet. Blood would flow & people would disrespect my Mother.

Personally [and I know the Planet consensus would be that I am an idiot for this opinion], I think the "franchise QB" is a myth. Folks talk about Manning or Elway or Flacco winning a game all by themselves & try to rank QBs by comparing their win/loss records. QBs don't win games. Teams win games. Offense, Defense, Coaching & Luck [no pun intended]. Look at Elway before Sharpe & Davis.

So, this was a very long-winded way of saying that without the Alex Smith trade, I would have preferred an Offensive Tackle or Defensive Lineman or MAYBE a Linebacker in the First & a QB in the 2nd. If I were King, Geno Smith would not have been on my draft list. With the trade, it looks more & more likely that I am going to get what I wanted. And we'll see how good my prognosticating skills are this season.

Have fun, man.

xoxo~
Gaz

[SAUTO]

Fuck gaz then
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[BlackHelicopters]

Where's the poll?

[Saccopoo]

Yesterday, 01:23 PM
Gaz
Defense Homer




Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Rancho Gaz
Casino cash: $9771
Re: Hi Gaz


Hi SR-

Good to hear from you. We are fine & I hope you are well, too.

Heh. Like almost everything on the Planet, Geno is such a polarizing subject. Amazing to me how emotionally invested folks are in opposing opinions about a football player. I've seen political & religious conversations with less heat.

I think Smith is probably the QB prospect that is most ready for the NFL right now. But he is also the best QB in a very , VERY lean QB draft year. Whatever college QB rises to the top of the "must draft" lists always becomes larger than life. His strengths & flaws are magnified & obsessively examined. And then they are blown completely out of proportion. I think Geno Smith is the best of a lesser lot & is being hyped way out of proportion to his ability.

Had we not traded for Alex Smith, I would not have been horrified by Geno at #1. We needed a QB & it has been so long since we drafted & developed our own homegrown. But I still thought that OL or DL was more critical. I know OL in the First Round is anathema to a lot of fans, but you gotta secure the line. I think we should go for a Offensive Tackle or someone who can bring a pass rush. I know that would be chum in the water at the Planet. Blood would flow & people would disrespect my Mother.

Personally [and I know the Planet consensus would be that I am an idiot for this opinion], I think the "franchise QB" is a myth. Folks talk about Manning or Elway or Flacco winning a game all by themselves & try to rank QBs by comparing their win/loss records. QBs don't win games. Teams win games. Offense, Defense, Coaching & Luck [no pun intended]. Look at Elway before Sharpe & Davis.

So, this was a very long-winded way of saying that without the Alex Smith trade, I would have preferred an Offensive Tackle or Defensive Lineman or MAYBE a Linebacker in the First & a QB in the 2nd. If I were King, Geno Smith would not have been on my draft list. With the trade, it looks more & more likely that I am going to get what I wanted. And we'll see how good my prognosticating skills are this season.

Have fun, man.

xoxo~
Gaz

Your and idiot for this opinion.

[milkman]

I always respected Gaz's opinions, even though I also always believed that he was one of the biggest pussies I've ever encountered.

But he is as wrong as he can be on this.

Teams win games.

But QBs are the difference between good teams and championship teams.

[DeezNutz]

No QB? No chance, so there is no "myth" surrounding the importance of a franchise QB.

That said, I haven't given a motherfuck about Geno Smith in well over a month. The Chiefs aren't drafting him, and I don't care what ends up happening to him.

[crazycoffey]

Fuck gaz then
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Your and idiot for this opinion.

I have a feeling these are just two of many posts that illustrate why he doesn't post here anymore.

[Rausch]

**** gaz then
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Let's not go overboard here...

[milkman]

I have a feeling these are just two of many posts that illustrate why he doesn't post here anymore.

That, combined with the fact that he's a vagina.

[Rausch]

That, combined with the fact that he's a vagina.

I think it has more to due with the fact he doesn't care to argue for argument's sake...

[Bugeater]

No size 4 Garamond...FAIL.

[Direckshun]

It's a combination.

GAZ probably had thin skin. And ChiefsPlanet's atmosphere has become occasionally unbearable.

[Rain Man]

Gaz told us he was going out for cigarettes and then he never came back. I have abandonment issues now that keep me from forming positive relationships with new posters in my life.

[Otter]

Your and idiot for this opinion.

And within 3 posts the geno mafia rears its head ass first and threatens to scratch eyes and pull hair. You guys remind me of my 8 year old niece who doesn't understand why Justin Beeber isn't gay yet.

[Bugeater]

That, combined with the fact that he's a vagina.
Well it's time for him to come back because this place caters to vaginas these days.

[Otter]

Gaz told us he was going out for cigarettes and then he never came back. I have abandonment issues now that keep me from forming positive relationships with new posters in my life.

Gaz vs. Rain Man

Gladiator championship part duex!

[jd1020]

And within 3 posts the geno mafia rears its head ass first and threatens to scratch eyes and pull hair. You guys remind me of my 8 year old niece who doesn't understand why Justin Beeber isn't gay yet.

Personally [and I know the Planet consensus would be that I am an idiot for this opinion], I think the "franchise QB" is a myth. Folks talk about Manning or Elway or Flacco winning a game all by themselves & try to rank QBs by comparing their win/loss records. QBs don't win games. Teams win games. Offense, Defense, Coaching & Luck [no pun intended]. Look at Elway before Sharpe & Davis.

Not everything is about Geno, champ.

[Chief Roundup]

That, combined with the fact that he's a vagina.

So because he made a decision not to hang around a bunch of people that act the way that so many do here makes him a vag. That is pretty weak.

A person doesn't want to hang around a bunch of druggies or drunks. So they don't go to those types of places. That does not make a person a vag.

I have always agreed with Gaz that there should be more civility on the planet, forcibly if necessary.

[Rausch]

So because he made a decision not to hang around a bunch of people that act the way that so many do here makes him a vag. That is pretty weak.

A person doesn't want to hang around a bunch of druggies or drunks. So they don't go to those types of places. That does not make a person a vag.


This...

[Bowser]

I always respected Gaz's opinions, even though I also always believed that he was one of the biggest pussies I've ever encountered.

But he is as wrong as he can be on this.

Teams win games.

But QBs are the difference between good teams and championship teams.

I'm completely baffled as to why NFL fans either can't grasp this idea, or choose not to grasp this idea.

[Simply Red]

No size 4 Garamond...FAIL.



I've made that clear w/ him - he knows of this error.

[stevieray]

hi Gaz...

knows you're reading this thread...:)

[Hammock Parties]

Gaz has always been a True Fan.

Fuck you Gaz.

[SAUTO]

I have a feeling these are just two of many posts that illustrate why he doesn't post here anymore.

Well if he can't take a little fucking with he can really go fuck himself.
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[crazycoffey]

Well it's time for him to come back because this place caters to vaginas these days.

So you and milk support personal attacks in lieu of a more adult discussion, shock value over valuable debates, or even allowing a "agree to disagree" end to a discussion? And anyone who feels different is a virgina?

I don't know guys. I'm not in grade school anymore.

[SAUTO]

So you and milk support personal attacks in lieu of a more adult discussion, shock value over valuable debates, or even allowing a "agree to disagree" end to a discussion? And anyone who feels different is a virgina?

I don't know guys. I'm not in grade school anymore. saying fuck you to someone is in no way a personal attack.

Telling him he's ugly is though. Talking about his mother is too. Or even his wife, but saying fuck you isn't.
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[milkman]

I'm completely baffled as to why NFL fans either can't grasp this idea, or choose not to grasp this idea.

Most of the fans of this team have never seen this team with a franchise QB.

Joe Montana was as close to that as they've ever seen.

They watched this team win more games than all but 3 other team during the 90s with outstanding defense, a top 5 O-Line and solid, if unspectacular, ground game.

They believe that just a break here, a call there, are the difference between winning playoff games and playing in the SB.

They want to recreate what they saw as the winning formula that this team was built with during those years.

[SAUTO]

And Cc you probably don't have any room to talk.

I've been around here when you are posting drunk
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[Otter]

saying **** you to someone is in no way a personal attack.

Telling him he's ugly is though. Talking about his mother is too. Or even his wife, but saying **** you isn't.
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Your wife looks like your mother and one of them is ugly!

~otter
not above the riff raff

[crazycoffey]

Well if he can't take a little fucking with he can really go fuck himself.
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He left before I got here so I know if I don't know his true reasonings then neither do you. I did talk to him on fatchatter and he seemed like rainman to me. Funny and personable. But whatever, if you think he should go fuck himself over a message board, then maybe you're illustrating his point.

[SAUTO]

Your wife looks like your mother and one of them is ugly!

~otter
not above the riff raff ok fair enough
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[DeezNutz]

How any fan of the Chiefs can continue to support the notion that high-quality teams are built first in the trenches is baffling. I'd say it's suggestive of something else, but I don't want to wound anyone's vagina.

[SAUTO]

He left before I got here so I know if I don't know his true reasonings then neither do you. I did talk to him on fatchatter and he seemed like rainman to me. Funny and personable. But whatever, if you think he should go fuck himself over a message board, then maybe you're illustrating his point. well dumb shit I didn't really mean I wanted him to go fuck himself.

It's an expression of how I felt about his opinion.
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[Hammock Parties]

So you and milk support personal attacks in lieu of a more adult discussion, shock value over valuable debates, or even allowing a "agree to disagree" end to a discussion? And anyone who feels different is a virgina?

I don't know guys. I'm not in grade school anymore.

You're still in the fucking stone age, cave man.

[ptlyon]

Gaz - your a F'ing idiot!

And miss ya buddy!!!

[crazycoffey]

And Cc you probably don't have any room to talk.

I've been around here when you are posting drunk
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Oh I sling shit sober too, but almost never unprovoked. Call me names I call you names too, throw insults I may too. But I fail to see how that dissuades my points in this discussion. Unless you want me to call you a son of a motherless goat.

[Hammock Parties]

How any fan of the Chiefs can continue to support the notion that high-quality teams are built first in the trenches is baffling. I'd say it's suggestive of something else, but I don't want to wound anyone's vagina.

Carl learned us good.

[crazycoffey]

well dumb shit I didn't really mean I wanted him to go fuck himself.

It's an expression of how I felt about his opinion.
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ROFL. Well go fuck yourself, asshat.

[SAUTO]

Oh I sling shit sober too, but almost never unprovoked. Call me names I call you names too, throw insults I may too. But I fail to see how that dissuades my points in this discussion. Unless you want me to call you a son of a motherless goat. you are making no points.


I told my best friend to go fuck himself last night. He said something stupid and then tried to make it sound smart.


He just laughed and gave up at that point.

It's just the way people talk.


And I've seen you go unprovoked.
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[SAUTO]

ROFL. Well go fuck yourself, asshat.

Agree to disagree on that one
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[Fat Elvis]

He left before I got here so I know if I don't know his true reasonings then neither do you. I did talk to him on fatchatter and he seemed like rainman to me. Funny and personable. But whatever, if you think he should go **** himself over a message board, then maybe you're illustrating his point.

Gaz may have been more liked than even Rainman when he left, and he usually had pretty good takes on football. I think he left because, unlike so many on this board, he actually had a life and didn't feel compelled to get bent out of shape arguing with a bunch of losers. He rose above it all. He didn't call people out and call them names or told them to fuck off; he just left. I miss him.

[SAUTO]

If you are going to leave just do it.


Don't send your opinion through someone else. Be a man and stick up for it.
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[Otter]

. I miss him.

:thailor::hump:

Gaz brings out the worst in me.

[unlurking]

If you are going to leave just do it.


Don't send your opinion through someone else. Be a man and stick up for it.
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Jesus you are a fucking moron. He ANSWERED a fucking message from SR, he didn't post here.

[crazycoffey]

If you are going to leave just do it.


Don't send your opinion through someone else. Be a man and stick up for it.
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What's your deal on the gaz issue? He didn't ask SR to post it he answered a question to SR and SR posted it. And my friends and I go back and forth like you and your friends. But not everyone is like that.

[SAUTO]

Jesus you are a fucking moron. He ANSWERED a fucking message from SR, he didn't post here. well that's true but he knew it was going to be posted IMO.


Milkman was probably petty spot on in his analysis
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[SAUTO]

What's your deal on the gaz issue? He didn't ask SR to post it he answered a question to SR and SR posted it. And my friends and I go back and forth like you and your friends. But not everyone is like that.
I started out joking. People took offense because someone jabbed gaz. A guy who left before I got here but obviously was a little thin skinned.

Others took offense and now I don't like the guy. It happens...
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[crazycoffey]

I've made that clear w/ him - he knows of this error.

I hate how small your font is

[SAUTO]

Seems like a pussy way to tell everyone his opinions and read what they think about it without having to respond to them.


Anyone with a little sense could see it.

Hell someone said "hi gaz I know you are reading this".
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[crazycoffey]

Seems like a pussy way to tell everyone his opinions and read what they think about it without having to respond to them.


Anyone with a little sense could see it.

Hell someone said "hi gaz I know you are reading this".
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Because he probably is reading it. He's a lurker now

[Thig Lyfe]

Personally [and I know the Planet consensus would be that I am an idiot for this opinion], I think the "franchise QB" is a myth. Folks talk about Manning or Elway or Flacco winning a game all by themselves & try to rank QBs by comparing their win/loss records. QBs don't win games. Teams win games. Offense, Defense, Coaching & Luck [no pun intended]. Look at Elway before Sharpe & Davis.



I give this opinion 0/10 Long John Silvers Value Meals

[SAUTO]

Because he probably is reading it. He's a lurker now

Yeah ok.
IMO he did exactly what I said.

again we can agree to disagree, it's a nice day and I've got a thousand things I could be doing that I actually care about.

gaz isn't one of the thousand.

See you around.
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[dtrain]

Gaz told us he was going out for cigarettes and then he never came back. I have abandonment issues now that keep me from forming positive relationships with new posters in my life.

ROFL

[Bugeater]

So you and milk support personal attacks in lieu of a more adult discussion, shock value over valuable debates, or even allowing a "agree to disagree" end to a discussion? And anyone who feels different is a virgina?

I don't know guys. I'm not in grade school anymore.
You've been here long enough to know this place has an edge to it. That's what made it different from other boards...and more popular. There are plenty of other Chiefs message boards for morons who don't like to be called morons to hang out at.

Now with that said, some people are over the top with it, but I'd rather see it lean to that extreme than it being a big damn PC circlejerk.

[SAUTO]

Jesus you are a fucking moron. He ANSWERED a fucking message from SR, he didn't post here.

One last post.

It's ironic you calling me a moron when I never said he posted here.

I said he sent his opinion thorough someone else. Which is exactly what happened.

The only argument is if he knew or was ok with red posting it.

It's an assumption, of course, but I don't think he would have been pissed at red.


And who could be mad a red anyways
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[milkman]

You've been here long enough to know this place has an edge to it. That's what made it different from other boards...and more popular. There are plenty of other Chiefs message boards for morons who don't like to be called morons to hang out at.

Now with that said, some people are over the top with it, but I'd rather see it lean to that extreme than it being a big damn PC circlejerk.

We do tend to go overboard, and I am as guilty as anyone on that regard.

However, like you, I'd rather this than the other way.

[crazycoffey]

We do tend to go overboard, and I am as guilty as anyone on that regard.

However, like you, I'd rather this than the other way.

Best post in a long time. And for the record I agree. The edge is the draw. I was playing devil's advocate.

[Lzen]

Gaz told us he was going out for cigarettes and then he never came back. I have abandonment issues now that keep me from forming positive relationships with new posters in my life.

Abandonment issues? Ha! You wanna talk abandonment issues? I'm still waiting for my outcome on my last flight in my bomber.

[Mr. Kotter]

Dang, I for one....miss Gaz. Posts like the OP are why. :(

[lcarus]

Most of the fans of this team have never seen this team with a franchise QB.

Joe Montana was as close to that as they've ever seen.

They watched this team win more games than all but 3 other team during the 90s with outstanding defense, a top 5 O-Line and solid, if unspectacular, ground game.

They believe that just a break here, a call there, are the difference between winning playoff games and playing in the SB.

They want to recreate what they saw as the winning formula that this team was built with during those years.

If this team is dead set against drafting a QB that will hopefully turn out to be elite, then that 90s formula would be 2nd best.

That said, DRAFT A FUCKING QB.

[Hammock Parties]

Dang, I for one....miss Gaz. Posts like the OP are why. :(

You miss people that post stupid homer bullshit?

Because we had enough of that last offseason.

[Mr. Kotter]

I always respected Gaz's opinions, even though I also always believed that he was one of the biggest pussies I've ever encountered.

But he is as wrong as he can be on this.

Teams win games.

But QBs are the difference between good teams and championship teams. I hear what you are saying, and understand...but I do think the whole "Franchise QB" thing is way over-blown. Hell, Doug Williams, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, and Jim McMahon won superbowls.

Exhibit E:
Eli Manning: 2010, good-not-great QB; 2011 franchise QB, 2013 Meh QB...

It takes a lot more than a good QB to win a Superbowl, IMHO

You miss people that post stupid homer bullshit?

Because we had enough of that last offseason.

Hey Clayton, how you doin'?

I think there is a difference between homer bullshit and legitimate analysis. Just as I think there is a difference between good stats, and garbage time stats. Or good mults, and bad mults. Heh.

[Brock]

The list of qbs that won the super bowl multiple times pretty much says it all.

[Hammock Parties]

Hell, Doug Williams, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, and Jim McMahon won superbowls.


The majority of SBs are won by franchise QBs.

Why does this undeniable fact need to beaten into true fan heads every offseason?

[Mr. Kotter]

The list of qbs that won the super bowl multiple times pretty much says it all.

How about list of QBs that have won SB mutiple times = QBs who've been on good teams that won multiple SBs?

:shrug:

The majority of SBs are won by franchise QBs.

Why does this undeniable fact need to beaten into true fan heads every offseason?

See above. With your idea of "fact"....you should write for a political journal, or some erotic literature website. ;)

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I love the "Teams win championships" strawman.

[Reaper16]

Gaz? To care about Gaz' opinion at this point is to live as much in the past as Gaz' football opinions do.

[Mr. Kotter]

How many "Franchise QBs" have taken a different team to the SB?

How many of them have taken the same team, but with a markedly different line-up to the SB....in the last 25-30 years?

:shrug:

[Hammock Parties]

The 80s 49ers probably only win 2 SBs, if that, without Joe Montana.

They don't win the 1981 Super Bowl or the 1988 Super Bowl without Joe.

[Brock]

How about list of QBs that have won SB mutiple times = QBs who've been on good teams that won multiple SBs?

:shrug:

Sure! The 49ers would still have their dynasty without Montana, the Patriots without Brady, the cowboys without Aikman and Staubach, the Steelers without Roethlisberger and Bradshaw.

Hard to believe people still want to bet on the exceptions to the rule.

[Hammock Parties]

How many of them have taken the same team, but with a markedly different line-up to the SB....in the last 25-30 years?


The 49ers had vastly different lineups from 1981 to 1989.

Elways 80s and 90s Broncos were completely different teams.

You're just being obtuse.

Oh, and then there's Kurt Warner taking the Rams and the fucking Cardinals to the SB.

So please GTFO.

[Hammock Parties]

Brett Favre took the Packers to two SBs and at the age of damn near 40 had the Vikings one drive away.

There is no substitution for a great QB, ever.

GTFO true fans.

Just fucking die and go root for the Browns.

[Hammock Parties]

Oh wait, Tom Brady's first SB team was vastly different from his last two.

GTFO true fans.

Fuck off and move to Swahili and leave us alone.

[Mr. Kotter]

I love the "Teams win championships" strawman.

HJ...I'll admit, I'm playing devil's advocate a little bit on this one, because I really do think a true franchise QB can make a huge difference ... obviously. I'm just wondering how so many are absolutely convinced we need to draft Geno. Personally, I'd love to see it. Number one, at the very least it introduces competition into the QB position along with some valuable insurance. Number two, I honestly think Geno can become a good NFL QB in time. And, perhaps most importantly, number three....it would be another step in this organization restoring some credibility and trust with their fans by finally listening to them at a time when that's a pretty important step--especially given the last 5-25 years.

On the other hand, I do think the whole past history with retread backups instead of developing our own guy, along with the massive clusterfukk of the Croyle-Thigpen-Cassel-Quinn saga of the recent past, may have put some of us (me at times) into a myopic haze. In that haze, are we mistaking Geno/Tyler Wilson/Barkley/Nassib for the second coming of McNabb/Brees/Dalton/Kaepernick/Brady...when it's just as likely to be the second coming of Russell/Mirer/Claussen/TaVarias Jackson/Ted White?

I honestly don't know. However, in this particular draft....I'm leaning toward the latter over the former. I swear, I hope I'm wrong--especially if we do pick Geno. And if we don't, but he ends up being worthy of that first round pick...I guess I'll continue to cry myself to sleep every December for the next 5 years, again.

:shrug:

PS: It's good to see you around again, btw.

[mlyonsd]

Very cool reading a Gaz post.

[Mr. Kotter]

Oh wait, Tom Brady's first SB team was vastly different from his last two.

GTFO true fans.

**** off and move to Swahili and leave us alone.

So you've named just about as many "franchise" QBs who've led, mostly different teams, to another SB appearance....as I named non-franchise QBs who have won the SB? Thanks, for playing...heh.

;)

[LiveSteam]

So you've named just about as many "franchise" QBs who've led, mostly different teams, to another SB appearance....as I named non-franchise QBs who have won the SB? Thanks, for playing...heh.

;)

Drink antifreeze you idiot!

[jd1020]

Just fucking die and go root for the Browns.

Why would they do that? The Browns actually drafted a QB in the first round within the last year.

Meanwhile, the Chiefs?.... a truefans dream.

[Mr. Kotter]

Very cool reading a Gaz post.

Knock that crap off, Mark; us old-timers and our FB takes just aren't hip these days with Clayton and his Cronies.

Go take some Geritol, a viagra, and some top shelf bourbon....and stop by the Lounge tonight, to watch the young 'uns talk about real football knowledge. Heh.

Now, Clayton and his Homeys.... GET THE FUGG OFF MY LAWN, else I'll taze ya!

[RunKC]

It's amazing that people that don't think that Geno is the truth, the light and the way are "true fans".

A lot of people have the same philosophy about the QB position and agree it is very needed to succeed, but just because they don't believe in the QB's this year, that apparently makes them "true fans".

[Hammock Parties]

So you've named just about as many "franchise" QBs who've led, mostly different teams, to another SB appearance....as I named non-franchise QBs who have won the SB? Thanks, for playing...heh.

;)

What? How is that even comparable?

You're being obtuse.

Simplest, easiest way to win a SB = franchise QB. This is a fact. Shut up.

[crazycoffey]

What? How is that even comparable?

You're being obtuse.

Simplest, easiest way to win a SB = draft Geno. This is a fact. Shut up.

FYP

[Mr. Kotter]

Sure! The 49ers would still have their dynasty without Montana, the Patriots without Brady, the cowboys without Aikman and Staubach, the Steelers without Roethlisberger and Bradshaw.

Hard to believe people still want to bet on the exceptions to the rule.

Look...I hear ya; I get what you are saying. However, I think a whole lot of folks are also forgetting how GOOD those teams were...and how their success had at least as much to do with their teammates as their own ability. There is no denying the great QBs....but when guys like Tarkenton, Fouts, Esiason, Kelly, Cunningham, McNair, McNabb, and Marino have the careers that they had, but got no ring--that says something about the importance of teams.

Can you imagine if the 90s Chiefs had Kelly at QB? Or if Trent Green had the luxury of ANY semblence of a halfway decent defense during his Chief's stint? Seriously, in either case we probably wouldn't be having this discussion right now IMHO.

:banghead:

[Bowser]

It's amazing that people that don't think that Geno is the truth, the light and the way are "true fans".

A lot of people have the same philosophy about the QB position and agree it is very needed to succeed, but just because they don't believe in the QB's this year, that apparently makes them "true fans".

Would you rather have Geno come in and learn under Reid and Alex for a season or two, or essentially have a player come in and be a lateral move replacement for the left tackle you already have in place? And before you answer, ask yourself which of those two players Geno and Joeckel/Fisher will have a greater impact on this team in three years.

Initially I wanted Geno because he was a far better option than Cassel, Quinn, or Stanzi. Now I want us to take him becasue I feel the Chiefs' situation would suit both him and us the best - Let him sit for a season while Reid molds him and let him watch Alex prepare and play so he can be ready to go.

[Saccopoo]

It's amazing that people that don't think that Geno is the truth, the light and the way are "true fans".

A lot of people have the same philosophy about the QB position and agree it is very needed to succeed, but just because they don't believe in the QB's this year, that apparently makes them "true fans".

It's not that people who don't like Geno or Barkley are "true fans," it's that they don't like them above the other potential draft picks in this particular draft.

I'd like you to name me a single prospect that has the same skill set, experience and production as well as the ceiling at the next level that Geno possesses in this draft - at any position.

It's that Geno has all the tools you want in a NFL franchise quarterback, but yet some people still would rather have an offensive tackle (when we drafted two of them last year with high second and third round picks) or a rush end (when we just sent Hali and Houston to the Pro Bowl). But realizing this (or not realizing this), they still want to take a guy like Joeckel, who wasn't even the best tackle on his college team, or Jordan, who is a converted wide receiver with no pass rush moves who compiled a grand total of 14 sacks, 4 forced fumbles and 73 tackles in three years of starting at rush end. Those are numbers put up in a single season by top level rush ends and yet, some people around here still would take that over a QB whose college numbers equaled the greatest QB prospect since Elway in Andrew Luck (and whose combine numbers were actually better).

Oh, and by the way, I appreciate you continuing your sig line. You do know that Geno Smith and Robert Griffin had the exact same Wonderlic score? And you do know that Geno Smith's numbers in college surpasses Griffin's career numbers in college, right? So I guess your sig is correct, even though I never said either. (I actually said that I felt Geno was a better passer than Griffin.) Thanks for supporting me all this time when you actually thought you were being a smart ass douche bag instead.

[Mr. Kotter]

Would you rather have Geno come in and learn under Reid and Alex for a season or two, or essentially have a player come in and be a lateral move replacement for the left tackle you already have in place? And before you answer, ask yourself which of those two players Geno and Joeckel/Fisher will have a greater impact on this team in three years.

Initially I wanted Geno because he was a far better option than Cassel, Quinn, or Stanzi. Now I want us to take him becasue I feel the Chiefs' situation would suit both him and us the best - Let him sit for a season while Reid molds him and let him watch Alex prepare and play so he can be ready to go.

THIS, but only if they can trade down and, Reid and Dorsey think Geno/Wilson/Barkley/Nassib is that guy.

If not, focusing on building heart of the team...and finding a Brees, Kaepernick, Brady, Theisman, Warner or Gannon in the draft is our next best option.

Otherwise, yeah...we are probably stuck hoping that Alex is our Brad Johnson or Trent Dilfer.

[|Zach|]

Gaz may have been more liked than even Rainman when he left, and he usually had pretty good takes on football. I think he left because, unlike so many on this board, he actually had a life and didn't feel compelled to get bent out of shape arguing with a bunch of losers. He rose above it all. He didn't call people out and call them names or told them to **** off; he just left. I miss him.

Eh, not really...the board did bend him out of shape he constantly complained about the language used on on CP. A bunch of people told him CP is what it is and he left...nothing wrong with that in the least...it was probably a great move but this narrative you made isn't really true.

[Saccopoo]

THIS, but only if they can trade down andReid and Dorsey think Geno/Wilson/Barkley/Nassib isthat guy.

If not, focusing on building heart of the team...and finding a Brees, Kaepernick, Brady, Theisman, Warner or Gannon in the draft is our next best option.

Otherwise, yeah...we are probably stuck hoping that Alex is our Brad Johnson or Trent Dilfer.

The problem with this thought process is is that in a trade down situation, you are setting yourself up with the possibility that your guy could be gone before you pick.

They've got the first pick in the draft. They have the opportunity to get the guy that they want without the worry.

And the heart of the team is built. We've got a young, talented offensive line. We've got the second best running back in the league. We've got a top WR. We've got four Pro-Bowl players on defense. We just signed a bunch of quality free agents to fill in any holes that this team might have had that would have prevented us from making a solid effort to win from the get go in 2013.

However, we have a guy at QB who just got jettisoned by his former team by a second year, second round guy.

What "heart of the team" do you want to pick in the draft that is better than the best QB in the entire draft? (And I'd argue that the QB is the "heart of the team" moreso than any other position.)

An offensive tackle that is not going to beat out either Albert or Stephenson? A rush end that is going to be a special teams guy unless Hali or Houston get hurt? Or a QB with all the tools who will be ready to go in a year or two after learning the system and the league?

[Mr. Kotter]

Eh, not really...the board did bend him out of shape he constantly complained about the language used on on CP. A bunch of people told him CP is what it is and he left...nothing wrong with that in the least...it was probably a great move but this narrative you made isn't really true.

Isn't what you said, basically the same thing Fat Elvis said, minus maybe the Rainman comparison (difference of magnitude, perhaps)...more or less? :hmmm:

[|Zach|]

Isn't what you said, basically the same thing Fat Elvis said, minus maybe the Rainman comparison (difference of magnitude, perhaps)...more or less? :hmmm:

Not really. He tried to paint Gaz as totally above it who just rode off into the sunset. In reality he bitched and moaned for a long long time...all the time and then begrudgingly left.

[mlyonsd]

Not really. He tried to paint Gaz as totally above it who just rode off into the sunset. In reality he bitched and moaned for a long long time...all the time and then begrudgingly left.
I don't remember him bitching and moaning, maybe at the most just that he was disappointed with the way CP had turned out and that it wasn't for him. And mostly in responses when asked why he didn't hang around that much.

[RunKC]

Would you rather have Geno come in and learn under Reid and Alex for a season or two, or essentially have a player come in and be a lateral move replacement for the left tackle you already have in place? And before you answer, ask yourself which of those two players Geno and Joeckel/Fisher will have a greater impact on this team in three years.

Initially I wanted Geno because he was a far better option than Cassel, Quinn, or Stanzi. Now I want us to take him becasue I feel the Chiefs' situation would suit both him and us the best - Let him sit for a season while Reid molds him and let him watch Alex prepare and play so he can be ready to go.

Personally, I think Dion Jordan would be best.

[Fat Elvis]

It's amazing that people that don't think that Geno is the truth, the light and the way are "true fans".

A lot of people have the same philosophy about the QB position and agree it is very needed to succeed, but just because they don't believe in the QB's this year, that apparently makes them "true fans".

Esto

[Donger]

Did you post this with his permission, SR?

[Mr. Kotter]

The problem with this thought process is is that in a trade down situation, you are setting yourself up with the possibility that your guy could be gone before you pick.

They've got the first pick in the draft. They have the opportunity to get the guy that they want without the worry.

And the heart of the team is built. We've got a young, talented offensive line. We've got the second best running back in the league. We've got a top WR. We've got four Pro-Bowl players on defense. We just signed a bunch of quality free agents to fill in any holes that this team might have had that would have prevented us from making a solid effort to win from the get go in 2013.

However, we have a guy at QB who just got jettisoned by his former team by a second year, second round guy.

What "heart of the team" do you want to pick in the draft that is better than the best QB in the entire draft? (And I'd argue that the QB is the "heart of the team" moreso than any other position.)

An offensive tackle that is not going to beat out either Albert or Stephenson? A rush end that is going to be a special teams guy unless Hali or Houston get hurt? Or a QB with all the tools who will be ready to go in a year or two after learning the system and the league?

Okay...I'm really just thinking out loud more than anything else, and I can certainly see what you are saying. Like I've said before, I hope they DO draft Geno.

The difference is, if they don't, I'm willing to give them the benefit of tthe doubt if they conclude he ain't worth the risk--and so many on here seem to think they are smarter than guys who've been paid millions of dollars to make these kinds of decisions for a long time--with a pretty good track record of success.

Perfect scenario for me:
1. Draft Geno 1-1...shows balls, restores some credibility.
2. Alex and Geno immediately make QB a Chief strength.
3. The talented young players continue to develop.
4. The All-Pros repeat.
4. The OLines and DLines grow, mature, and gell.
5. We identify/find real compliments to pair with Berry on D and Bowe on O.
6. We plug the hole at ILB, develop some depth, and add another Pass Rusher on D.
7. Charles stays healthy, and we identify a real Hillis to spell and compliment him.
8. The team transitions to Reid's systems and philosophies quickly.


Time will tell....

[crazycoffey]

Isn't what you said, basically the same thing Fat Elvis said, minus maybe the Rainman comparison (difference of magnitude, perhaps)...more or less? :hmmm:

That's the way it wih a more positive post, and a negative post. I saw the same story between the two also. |douche| just likes to focus on the negative.

[|Zach|]

I don't remember him bitching and moaning, maybe at the most just that he was disappointed with the way CP had turned out and that it wasn't for him. And mostly in responses when asked why he didn't hang around that much.

Was a mod at the time so it was mostly private.

Not trying to trash the guy just remember it well and not sure what brought about this weird myth of who he was as a poster. Having said that he absolutely played it right leaving here when he did.

[Mr. Kotter]

Not really. He tried to paint Gaz as totally above it who just rode off into the sunset. In reality he bitched and moaned for a long long time...all the time and then begrudgingly left.

Didn't know that, I guess. I guess above the fray and airing grievances take on different appearances based on one's perspective. Fair enough though.

[crazycoffey]

Eh, not really...the board did bend him out of shape he constantly complained about the language used on on CP. A bunch of people told him CP is what it is and he left...nothing wrong with that in the least...it was probably a great move but this narrative you made isn't really true.

Change language to banning policy/practice and you can change your name to |newGaz|

[Fat Elvis]

Not really. He tried to paint Gaz as totally above it who just rode off into the sunset. In reality he bitched and moaned for a long long time...all the time and then begrudgingly left.

I don't think you understand what I was saying. Gaz may of complained (even then, not much), but he never lowered himself into doing the acts he was complaining about. He didn't ever call anyone a vag, he never told anyone to die in a flaming aids tree, he never told anyone to fuck off. The closest Gaz came to swimming in the cesspool was using the term "pencil necked QBs." He got sick of the nonstop "edge" and went his own way. Apparently he still maintains relationships with some folks on the board.

[|Zach|]

Change language to banning policy/practice and you can change your name to |newGaz|

You're quite a fan of mine.

[mlyonsd]

Was a mod at the time so it was mostly private.

Not trying to trash the guy just remember it well and not sure what brought about this weird myth of who he was as a poster. Having said that he absolutely played it right leaving here when he did.

Did not know.

And I didn't think you were trashing him, just that my observations were different and now I know why.

[|Zach|]

Did not know.

And I didn't think you were trashing him, just that my observations were different and now I know why.

Absolutely...and really Fat Elvis's clarification is a good one that I agree with.

[crazycoffey]

You're quite a fan of mine.

Don't you wish. Can't read through any hot CP topic thread with out you shitting all over it.

[|Zach|]

Don't you wish. Can't read through any hot CP topic thread with out you shitting all over it.

Just saying you talk about me a lot. That second part is weird...I don't really post here that much.

[crazycoffey]

Just saying you talk about me a lot. That second part is weird...I don't really post here that much.

I like it better when you don't, but look at the threads you do post in, bannings. You're a smart enough kid to know what I'm saying. And I'm smart enough to know my opinion of you is not lonely. But saying gaz bitched to much without realizing you bitch a lot too, is funny to me.

[Thig Lyfe]

It's amazing that people that don't think that Geno is the truth, the light and the way are "true fans".

A lot of people have the same philosophy about the QB position and agree it is very needed to succeed, but just because they don't believe in the QB's this year, that apparently makes them "true fans".

It's simple risk analysis brah. What could we lose if Geno sucks? A couple more rough seasons? A post-CBA rookie contract? Whatever. But what do we gain if he turns into the franchise QB that he has the potential to be?

EVERYTHING

[|Zach|]

I like it better when you don't, but look at the threads you do post in, bannings. You're a smart enough kid to know what I'm saying. And I'm smart enough to know my opinion of you is not lonely. But saying gaz bitched to much without realizing you bitch a lot too, is funny to me.

At no point did I say I didn't bitch on this board.

You're even having pretend conversations with me.

[Hammock Parties]

Zach likes to bitch, Gaz is a bitch. Huge difference.

[Imon Yourside]

And within 3 posts the geno mafia rears its head ass first and threatens to scratch eyes and pull hair. You guys remind me of my 8 year old niece who doesn't understand why Justin Beeber isn't gay yet.

I think he is gay, and Gaz can suck my Left tackticle.

[Ace Gunner]

speaking as a person without a vagina, he makes good points :)

[teedubya]

I miss Gaz! :-( I don't think you're a pussy.

Sincerely,

Ari Chi3fs

xoxo

[Chief Roundup]

I love the "Teams win championships" strawman.

It is a true statement. Why is it that Peyton (sans choker excuse), Brady, and Rodgers haven't been winning every damn SB along the way? They didn't have a good enough team.
But here is the part that most don't equate correctly. You have to have one of those types of QBs to be in the conversation before the "Teams win Championships" comes into play. At the same time if you don't have, or feel like you can acquire a QB like that you go to bat with what you got and improve everywhere else while looking for that type of QB.

Do you think Kaepernick is in the class with Brady, Manning and Rodgers? I do not believe he is in their class. I do not believe Flacco is either. How about Alex Smith? These are all QBs that have led their teams to Conference Championship games. If a QB can lead his team that far he can win a SB with that team as well.
I included Alex Smith because he is on our team and it is something he has done. I did not want him, but we have him now so...

[Hammock Parties]

If a QB can lead his team that far he can win a SB with that team as well.

Kordell Stewart, Jake Plummer, Rex Grossman, Mark Sanchez, Vinny Testaverde and Shaun King say hi.

And so does Alex Smith.

[Imon Yourside]

Only teams with great long snappers win championships! /True Fan

[Messier]

Only teams with great long snappers win championships! /True Fan

Geno Smith's jizz tastes like cherries. /You.

[Chief Roundup]

Kordell Stewart, Jake Plummer, Rex Grossman, Mark Sanchez, Vinny Testaverde and Shaun King say hi.

And so does Alex Smith.

Exactly. There are other ways to get there. I understand we all want the ever elusive elite QB. In the mean time since they are not going to find one this year we just as well look at it another way. That way is we are, or should be at least improving the roster in the mean time.

[Hammock Parties]

Exactly. There are other ways to get there. I understand we all want the ever elusive elite QB. In the mean time since they are not going to find one this year we just as well look at it another way. That way is we are, or should be at least improving the roster in the mean time.

You moron.

None of those guys won the NFC/AFC Championship game (save Rex), and if by some miracle their teams had won the game despite those shitty QBs, they would have lost the SB.

Therefore, your dumbass homer statement:

If a QB can lead his team that far he can win a SB with that team as well. .

IS FUCKING WRONG.

[Raiderhater]

Abandonment issues? Ha! You wanna talk abandonment issues? I'm still waiting for my outcome on my last flight in my bomber.

LMAO


And it would appear all of that Tequila Rose has rotted Gaz's brain....

[Simply Red]

This has been no 'kept secret' - don't be crasey, Gaz has always been the defensive homer, it's what he digs and believes in. It's ok guys. Walk it off.

[Simply Red]

Don't make me start digging up praising Casey Printers posts. I will fucking do it & you know it!

[Hammock Parties]

shut up

bang some 18 year olds, they like you

[Mr. Kotter]

Kordell Stewart, Jake Plummer, Rex Grossman, Mark Sanchez, Vinny Testaverde and Shaun King say hi.

And so does Alex Smith.

You know...at least 2 or 3 of those guys WOULD have won a Superbowl on a SB caliber Steeler or Patriot squad...

Clayton, I appreciate the passion and talent you bring to this board. FWIW though, you are way "too young to be brooding in your ale"...some advice, to paraphrase a movie:

"How I do envy the young, and the Geno zealots. For them everything is so clear. Things seem to be either one way or another--franchise QB, or another failed '5 year Plan.' It is only with a little age and perspective that you begin to see life and football as a series of compromises, especially in a league that gets maybe 2 franchise QBs drafted each year--and in some years (2013,) none! But even in compromising one must draw a line; and there are times when everybody must take a chance."

I guess it's Geno or Bust, baby. Let's just hope he's more McNabb than Russell (or Casey Printers, heh,) baby!!!

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[Mr. Kotter]

shut up

bang some 18 year olds, they like you

You sound....jealous? :spock:


;)

[Hammock Parties]

You know...at least 2 or 3 of those guys WOULD have won a Superbowl on a SB caliber Steeler or Patriot squad...


Bullshit.

Those fuckers all sucked ass. Shaun King put up SIX POINTS in the NFCC.

[Mr. Kotter]

Bullshit.

Those ****ers all sucked ass. Shaun King put up SIX POINTS in the NFCC.

I didn't say King...I'm with ya on that one.

Heh. LMAO

[Hammock Parties]

Kordell Stewart literally WAS on a SB caliber Steelers team.

And he fucked it up.

[keg in kc]

You don't have to be a "geno zealot" or part of the so-called Geno mafia to understand that spending 1:1 on a lineman is an utter waste. Particularly when you're spending it on the linemen in this draft.

It's amazing to me that the people who use the "best QB in a lean class" argument fail to acknowledge that this tackle class is in no way any stronger at the top. They do have more quantity, in terms of a few players with first round talent, but there is no top-10 quality in this group. Much less number one overall quality. These are unspectacular players elevated by a weak overall draft class.

And spending a high first pick on a defensive lineman for the 2785th time in the last 10 years, and the 2648th time since 2008, doesn't even warrant discussion.

And none of that requires Geno Smith to even be a part of the discussion. Drafting an OT in this draft just isn't a smart move.

It's a real shame that's what they're going to do, because it tells me that it's SSDD at 1 Arrowhead. Same shit, different decade.

[Thig Lyfe]

Don't make me start digging up praising Casey Printers posts. I will fucking do it & you know it!

Casey Printers would have been great. I dunno why we let guys like him and Thiggy through our grasp

[RunKC]

It's not that people who don't like Geno or Barkley are "true fans," it's that they don't like them above the other potential draft picks in this particular draft.

I'd like you to name me a single prospect that has the same skill set, experience and production as well as the ceiling at the next level that Geno possesses in this draft - at any position.

It's that Geno has all the tools you want in a NFL franchise quarterback, but yet some people still would rather have an offensive tackle (when we drafted two of them last year with high second and third round picks) or a rush end (when we just sent Hali and Houston to the Pro Bowl). But realizing this (or not realizing this), they still want to take a guy like Joeckel, who wasn't even the best tackle on his college team, or Jordan, who is a converted wide receiver with no pass rush moves who compiled a grand total of 14 sacks, 4 forced fumbles and 73 tackles in three years of starting at rush end. Those are numbers put up in a single season by top level rush ends and yet, some people around here still would take that over a QB whose college numbers equaled the greatest QB prospect since Elway in Andrew Luck (and whose combine numbers were actually better).

Oh, and by the way, I appreciate you continuing your sig line. You do know that Geno Smith and Robert Griffin had the exact same Wonderlic score? And you do know that Geno Smith's numbers in college surpasses Griffin's career numbers in college, right? So I guess your sig is correct, even though I never said either. (I actually said that I felt Geno was a better passer than Griffin.) Thanks for supporting me all this time when you actually thought you were being a smart ass douche bag instead.

Prospects in general who are more proven and just better overall at their position. Hmm let's see.

Luke Joeckel-just look at the DL/pass rushers he owned and esp this last year. He's never been hurt either.
Eric Fisher
Jarvis Jones-Medical issue is the only reason he's getting a bad rap, but I think he's fine.
Tavon Austin
Jonathan Cooper
Chance Warmack

Those are the for sure players.

DJ Fluker, Alec Ogletree and Tyler Eiffert are other prospects that you can make an argument about as well.

Btw-I love it when people destroy other prospects for circumstance, like Luke Joeckel. They destroy him because they think Johnny Football made him look good.

Same thing can be said about Geno. Two words: Tavon Austin.

[RunKC]

And the heart of the team is built. We've got a young, talented offensive line.

No, we don't.

Asamoah has been "decent", Albert has been good but is hurt every year and the rest is completely unknown.

Hudson hasn't proven a damn thing, and I really like him. Stephenson and Allen got their asses kicked last year.

You wanna see what this young talented OL looks like? Watch the Raiders games the last few years. Watch the Bills game the last 2 years.

They are getting blown off the line and beaten physically and it's hard to watch.

This OL needs work, whether people want to admit that or not. That doesn't mean I'm proposing we draft a LT 1st overall. It just means we need to bolster multiple positions.

I mean JFC, they're begging Ryan fucking Lilja to come back. That alone says enough.

[Dave Lane]

Do I hear a second for no Gaz option on polls from this day forward?

[Dave Lane]

Prospects in general who are more proven and just better overall at their position. Hmm let's see.

Luke Joeckel-just look at the DL/pass rushers he owned and esp this last year. He's never been hurt either.
Eric Fisher
Jarvis Jones-Medical issue is the only reason he's getting a bad rap, but I think he's fine.
Tavon Austin
Jonathan Cooper
Chance Warmack

Those are the for sure players.

DJ Fluker, Alec Ogletree and Tyler Eiffert are other prospects that you can make an argument about as well.

Btw-I love it when people destroy other prospects for circumstance, like Luke Joeckel. They destroy him because they think Johnny Football made him look good.

Same thing can be said about Geno. Two words: Tavon Austin.

Says the idiot with hot garbage for an avatar

[loochy]

I will never vote for the GAZ option in a poll again.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Fuck gaz then
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No more Gaz Option on my polls from here on out.
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[Sweet Daddy Hate]

No, we don't.

Asamoah has been "decent", Albert has been good but is hurt every year and the rest is completely unknown.

Hudson hasn't proven a damn thing, and I really like him. Stephenson and Allen got their asses kicked last year.

You wanna see what this young talented OL looks like? Watch the Raiders games the last few years. Watch the Bills game the last 2 years.

They are getting blown off the line and beaten physically and it's hard to watch.

This OL needs work, whether people want to admit that or not. That doesn't mean I'm proposing we draft a LT 1st overall. It just means we need to bolster multiple positions.

I mean JFC, they're begging Ryan fucking Lilja to come back. That alone says enough.

YES, we do! Now shut the fuck up. Seriously.
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[RunKC]

YES, we do! Now shut the **** up. Seriously.
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Little homer is being a homer:clap:

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Little homer is being a homer:clap:

Jeff Ireland; is that you?
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[Chief Roundup]

You moron.

None of those guys won the NFC/AFC Championship game (save Rex), and if by some miracle their teams had won the game despite those shitty QBs, they would have lost the SB.

Therefore, your dumbass homer statement:



IS ****ING WRONG.

No I am not you stupid basement dwelling person that likes to sucketh of the cock. You just don't want to see it.
No some QB's cannot and or will not but others can. But in the mean time we can and hopefully will continue to build on the team. I want that dream that is the successful 1st round QB. But this team is not going to do that at least not this year and I have doubt if they ever will. I am not going to beat my head on a wall about it. It is what it is and I will try to make the best of it. I thought it would come down to Geno and Wilson as the best of this crop and yes I thought we would take one of them. I don't feel that way now. I feel like we are stuck with Alex Smith. Evidently as of now that is Geno is the best of this years crop of QBs but there are a ton of people that don't think Geno is all that. He is just the best in a weak year.
I will not be upset one way or the other. I will be excited and hope we take Geno because I am tired of NOT taking one and seeing where that has left the Chiefs. If we don't pick him I hope that we do next season.

[Hammock Parties]

Shaun King could have won a Super Bowl man!

Kordell Stewart, too!

Totally!

Dumbass.

[RNR]

Do I hear a second for no Gaz option on polls from this day forward?

Gaz is good people and will remain a planet icon long after this silly infatuation with an average college QB is over~

[Mr. Kotter]

Shaun King could have won a Super Bowl man!

Kordell Stewart, too!

Totally!

Dumbass.

Listen, bi-atch....Testeverde would have led at least ONE 90s Chiefs team to a SB title ('95 or '97?)--and, yes, seriously.... others, including a possible Gannon-led likely SB in 2001-2002, and maybe even Sanchez 2011 (could have happened?)...get your head around that, Clayton. Seriously, do you remember those "arguments" around this joint. Hindsight is 20/20.

Go look at the totality of the film, and don't cherry-pick as you've become prone to do, to support your own assertions.

QBs are very, very important. Franchise QBs are the differnce. THE major problem is there are only, maybe, 10-12 Franchise QBs in the league in any year, with 32 teams in the league.

However, they do not win SBs in vacuums. You need a good QB and a good team, OR a truly great QB and at least an average team or better to win a SB.

I'm gonna say it one more time:

Draft Geno in the first! Seriously, it would shut up a lot of know-it-alls around this joint.

Unless you fellas (who are smarter than Reid and Dorsey think otherwise--BTW, why the fugg don't YOU have an NFL job?! Just curious. Just sayin'.) As a CP addict, I'm gonna defer to you folks over the folks that get paid a whole lot more than any of us...

If not, let's trust...they are gonna build the best team they can, given the circumstances.

FTR....Yeah, it really sucks to have the 1/1 pick the year after Luck/RG3/and Wilson come out.... :banghead:

But gosh, if only the FO had listened to us....with Vern Gholston or Gerald McCoy and Marc Sanchez or Josh Freeman, we'd have likely WON the SB last year afterall!!!

[FloridaMan88]

I have always agreed with Gaz that there should be more civility on the planet, forcibly if necessary.

Seriously? Chiefsplanet is very tame and mild compared to other message boards.

Gaz is an outdated relic who would only seem to be comfortable in Don Fortune's man cave.

[Mr. Kotter]

Seriously? Chiefsplanet is very tame and mild compared to other message boards.

Gaz is an outdated relic who would only seem to be comfortable in Don Fortune's man cave.

If CP is "tame"....I want to know who those other boards are.... :hmmm:

[FloridaMan88]

If CP is "tame"....I want to know who those other boards are.... :hmmm:

Well for one there are message boards that don't have a profanity filter.

[Hammock Parties]

If CP is "tame"....I want to know who those other boards are.... :hmmm:

You have no fucking clue.

I post on a message board where horrible, disgusting things are posted willy nilly all day long.

I posted a screencap of a man's face blown off by a grenade there today.

It was parked next to a thread full of hot porn.

You can't even open a thread without reading racist and homophobic slurs.

It's a great place!

[Bowser]

If offensive and defensive linemen put teams over the hump, we would have won four Super Bowls since 2003.

[DaFace]

If CP is "tame"....I want to know who those other boards are.... :hmmm:

CP is lax compared to other popular Chiefs message boards. In internet terms, it really is pretty tame.

[Messier]

You have no ****ing clue.

I post on a message board where horrible, disgusting things are posted willy nilly all day long.

I posted a screencap of a man's face blown off by a grenade there today.

It was parked next to a thread full of hot porn.

You can't even open a thread without reading racist and homophobic slurs.

It's a great place!

And I'll bet everyone over there is scared to death of real life.

[Fat Elvis]

Gaz is good people and will remain a planet icon long after this silly infatuation with an average college QB is over~

Yes. Yes he will.

[BossChief]

Well for one there are message boards that don't have a profanity filter.

Haha

That's a user controlled function.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Then mini Gaz..

[Bowser]

tried Rum Chata

[Mr. Kotter]

CP is tame compared to other popular Chiefs message boards. In internet terms, it really is pretty tame.

Really? :spock:

Holy cripes, I need to get "out" more.... :shake:

Or not.... :hmmm:

[Mr. Kotter]

You have no ****ing clue.

I post on a message board where horrible, disgusting things are posted willy nilly all day long.

I posted a screencap of a man's face blown off by a grenade there today.

It was parked next to a thread full of hot porn.

You can't even open a thread without reading racist and homophobic slurs.

It's a great place!

Mother of god (small G for the record)...you need to get out. Into the real world. Just sayin'....

You need to get some real relationships; ie, eg...real girlfriends and pussy and life.

If the totality of your existence makes CP "lame"....damn, dude, I'll start praying for you. Seriously.

:shake:

I'll even vist the local JW chapter just to offer you support and a real prayer that might help. Holy cripes...

[Hammock Parties]

CP is great, where did I say it was lame?

It's cool.

There's also much, much more heinous places on this big world wide interwebs.

[Mr. Kotter]

CP is great, where did I say it was lame?

It's cool.

There's also much, much more heinous places on this big world wide interwebs.

That you would KNOW there are "more henious places"...is the cause for concern and/or prayers.

Get OUT, in to real life....dude...seriously. I know, I know...we've been giving you that advice for over 10-12 years at this point....

:shake:

[Hammock Parties]

I'm sorry that I know a few things about the internet. Sheesh. :rolleyes:

[milkman]

Unless you fellas (who are smarter than Reid and Dorsey think otherwise--BTW, why the fugg don't YOU have an NFL job?! Just curious. Just sayin'.) As a CP addict, I'm gonna defer to you folks over the folks that get paid a whole lot more than any of us..

I am really sick and tired of this kind of bullshit.

I may not be an NFL GM, but I've been right far more than I've been wrong through the years, and when I have been wrong, it's usually worse than I expected or predicted.

You and those of you that ask this stupid ****ing question can **** a donkey with aids.

[Mr. Kotter]

I am really sick and tired of this kind of bullshit.

I may not be an NFL GM, but I've been right far more than I've been wrong through the years, and when I have been wrong, it's usually worse than I expected or predicted.

You and those of you that ask this stupid ****ing question can **** a donkey with aids.

I'll be a reference for you if and when you apply to be a headcoach and/or GM for an NFL team. Don't need to even ask me--just message me their info, dude.

:thumb:

[keg in kc]

I didn't realize you had to be a GM to have an opinion.

Guess you gotta to get the fuck out of here too, kotter. You don't have enough experience to speak.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I've posted here in one form or another since 2008. During this time, this "Gaz" personage has never been a regular poster. I played along to go along to get along, but guess what? No fucking longer. I finally get to read some "Gaz", and it's the same bend over and take it, true fan bullshit I can get from fucktards like RuntardedlyKC and FuckedElvis. No thanks. The "Gaz Option" is no longer a part of my reality. Gone.
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[mlyonsd]

I've posted here in one form or another since 2008. During this time, this "Gaz" personage has never been a regular poster. I played along to go along to get along, but guess what? No ****ing longer. I finally get to read some "Gaz", and it's the same bend over and take it, true fan bullshit I can get from ****tards like RuntardedlyKC and ****edElvis. No thanks. The "Gaz Option" is no longer a part of my reality. Gone.
Posted via Mobile DeviceAnd your post is part of the reason he left. The guy could discuss something without getting all in your face, you're stupid, that's bullshit, you're a fucktard crap.

It is what it is but the board was a far better place in the beginning.

[RNR]

And your post is part of the reason he left. The guy could discuss something without getting all in your face, you're stupid, that's bullshit, you're a ****tard crap.

It is what it is but the board was a far better place in the beginning.

He is one of the several clowns here I rarely even respond to. This place is crowded with idiots like him now~

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

And your post is part of the reason he left. The guy could discuss something without getting all in your face, you're stupid, that's bullshit, you're a fucktard crap.

It is what it is but the board was a far better place in the beginning.

Oh boo fucking hoo. Call Dr. Phil or Nancy Grace; I don't give a fuck.
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[Simply Red]

would you bang Nancy Grace?

[mlyonsd]

He is one of the several clowns here I rarely even respond to. This place is crowded with idiots like him now~
We're all douches at some point or another but the IQ level of the board dropped when Gaz left.

[mlyonsd]

Oh boo ****ing hoo. Call Dr. Phil or Nancy Grace; I don't give a ****.
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And I don't care if you do or you don't.

[mlyonsd]

would you bang Nancy Grace?

Only to save humanity but considering I'm clipped, no, not even then.

[RNR]

We're all douches at some point or another but the IQ level of the board dropped when Gaz left.

We all have had our moments true. But this place has filled up with gochiefs types~

[Frazod]

I liked Gaz, but he was way too delicate for this place, even back in the day.

ChiefsPlanet ain't for everybody.

[Mr. Kotter]

I liked Gaz, but he was way too delicate for this place, even back in the day.

ChiefsPlanet ain't for everybody.

No shit.

You got twice as many lame-ass posts as I have...which is PROOF it ain't really for you either.

Just sayin'. :hmmm:

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

would you bang Nancy Grace?

I'd double-dong her asshole with a watermelon-sized device, then make her lick it clean.
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[BigCatDaddy]

I'll be a reference for you if and when you apply to be a headcoach and/or GM for an NFL team. Don't need to even ask me--just message me their info, dude.

:thumb:

It's not rocket science. Do you really think that nobody on CP could have GM'd a team to better then 2 ****ing wins during their 4th season on the job? A head coach I'll grant you is a much more difficult job to have especially one that acts as a coordinator as well.

[Tribal Warfare]

Seriously? Chiefsplanet is very tame and mild compared to other message boards.

Gaz is an outdated relic who would only seem to be comfortable in Don Fortune's man cave.

I agree that the douches have filled up the place with no real repercussions, and are comfortable throwing around insults with the safety being behind a computer monitor. If some of these individuals pulled this on the KCStar BB or any other back then they would be permabanned for life.

[Frazod]

No shit.

You got twice as many lame-ass posts as I have...which is PROOF it ain't really for you either.

Just sayin'. :hmmm:

Go have another fifth of whiskey, Sybil.

[RealSNR]

We're all douches at some point or another but the IQ level of the board dropped when Gaz left.
Ehhhhhhh.... not really. Not at all, actually.

Far superior and far smarter posters replaced Gaz when he left. Sorry, but it's true.

Gaz was a nice guy and a friend to a lot of people. It's still kind of fun to joke about him as an icon, but that's all that "icon" status should be taken as. A joke. And that's not meant as a dig at Gaz. I'm not insulting the guy. I'm just trying to say that he shouldn't represent the "Good ol' days of CP" because NOBODY should represent that shit. He was just a guy. That's all.

And as far as the tone of the board changing, well, that's just sometimes how it is. I Love Lucy and the Dick Van Dyke Show were pretty funny shows when they were on TV. Some episodes and gags still are. But there's a reason why networks like FX loaded up on more shows like Archer and It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia instead of new sitcoms based on the classic style of American TV. It's outdated.

No, that's not to say that niceness and courtesy is outdated. It's to say that a much thicker skin is valued more than it was back then. Values haven't changed but the style has. The same can be said of internet communities like Chiefs Planet.

Just my opinion, anyway.

[BossChief]

Anytime you get 10,000 people...you are gonna have select few that are alphas and want to show their creativity.

Its a shame people like Gaz couldn't just use the ignore function...I mean if you want to be thin skinned, pick and chose who you see post and who you don't.

I don't understand the need to lurk when the options are there to contribute to the community group think while ignoring the bothersome posters.

Especially with the new super ignore.

[Simply Red]

Ehhhhhhh.... not really. Not at all, actually.

Far superior and far smarter posters replaced Gaz when he left. Sorry, but it's true.

Gaz was a nice guy and a friend to a lot of people. It's still kind of fun to joke about him as an icon, but that's all that "icon" status should be taken as. A joke. And that's not meant as a dig at Gaz. I'm not insulting the guy. I'm just trying to say that he shouldn't represent the "Good ol' days of CP" because NOBODY should represent that shit. He was just a guy. That's all.

And as far as the tone of the board changing, well, that's just sometimes how it is. I Love Lucy and the Dick Van Dyke Show were pretty funny shows when they were on TV. Some episodes and gags still are. But there's a reason why networks like FX loaded up on more shows like Archer and It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia instead of new sitcoms based on the classic style of American TV. It's outdated.

No, that's not to say that niceness and courtesy is outdated. It's to say that a much thicker skin is valued more than it was back then. Values haven't changed but the style has. The same can be said of internet communities like Chiefs Planet.

Just my opinion, anyway.


http://i.imgur.com/HGhimWk.jpg

[Thig Lyfe]

Ehhhhhhh.... not really. Not at all, actually.

Far superior and far smarter posters replaced Gaz when he left. Sorry, but it's true.

Gaz was a nice guy and a friend to a lot of people. It's still kind of fun to joke about him as an icon, but that's all that "icon" status should be taken as. A joke. And that's not meant as a dig at Gaz. I'm not insulting the guy. I'm just trying to say that he shouldn't represent the "Good ol' days of CP" because NOBODY should represent that shit. He was just a guy. That's all.

And as far as the tone of the board changing, well, that's just sometimes how it is. I Love Lucy and the Dick Van Dyke Show were pretty funny shows when they were on TV. Some episodes and gags still are. But there's a reason why networks like FX loaded up on more shows like Archer and It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia instead of new sitcoms based on the classic style of American TV. It's outdated.

No, that's not to say that niceness and courtesy is outdated. It's to say that a much thicker skin is valued more than it was back then. Values haven't changed but the style has. The same can be said of internet communities like Chiefs Planet.

Just my opinion, anyway.

WE ARE THE FUTURE

THE FUTURE IS NOW

LONG JOHN SILVERS

[Mr. Kotter]

WE ARE THE FUTURE

THE FUTURE IS NOW

LONG JOHN SILVERS

Completely and totally awesome

[RealSNR]

WE ARE THE FUTURE

THE FUTURE IS NOW

LONG JOHN SILVERS

It's a shame that they don't have a Long John Silvers where I live. :(

[lcarus]

It's a shame that they don't have a Long John Silvers where I live. :(

You aren't missing anything. They have Long John Silvers and A&W combined here. It might be like that everywhere I'm not sure. Their fish and chicken basically tastes the same. You could toss an apple in that fryer and it would taste the same as their fish and chicken.

[crazycoffey]

CP is great, where did I say it was lame?

It's cool.

There's also much, much more heinous places on this big world wide interwebs.

Do you meet anyone from those heinous places on the web?

[crazycoffey]

I liked Gaz, but he was way too delicate for this place, even back in the day.

ChiefsPlanet ain't for everybody.

But should it be for anybody?

[eDave]

Your and idiot for this opinion.

Reread your quote and re access again who is the idiot. Hint: It's you.

[|Zach|]

Reread your quote and re access again who is the idiot. Hint: It's you.

You're new.

[RealSNR]

You're new.

Clearly. He doesn't know how to gain assess to the Inner Circle

[|Zach|]

Clearly. He doesn't know how to gain assess to the Inner Circle

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[Warrior5]

Reread your quote and re access again who is the idiot. Hint: It's you.

I've re-assessed your post and determined that you are fairly new.

[Warrior5]

We're all douches at some point or another but the IQ level of the board dropped when Gaz left.

Yep.