Hunt outlines changes the Chiefs are making to get the red back in Arrowhead

[Tribal Warfare]

Chiefs owner outlines changes to get the red back in Arrowhead (http://www.kansascity.com/2013/04/13/4180081/hunt-outlines-changes-the-chiefs.html)
By SAM MELLINGER
The Kansas City Star
Clark Hunt is sitting at a small table in his enormous suite at Arrowhead Stadium, hands in his lap, his voice steady and professional. But really, he may as well be standing in front of you all, arms outstretched, his words as sweet as he’s capable of making them sound:

Hug?

The Chiefs owner is here, talking to you, emphasizing a philosophy shift in the franchise he holds so dear. Hunt wants you to expect something very different from the Chiefs you came to know in recent years. Some of what he is doing sounds very cool for fans, some of it will help the team make more money. Some of it will do both.

Hunt knows it won’t mean much if the team doesn’t win, but while the new football men he hired work on that part, it’s significant that the man who took so much heat last year — taunting banners flying over the stadium, nasty name-calling, stacks of angry letters — is extending a hand.

“Certainly the football side of the Chiefs the last four years was more guarded in how information was shared externally,” he says. “There’s still teams in the league that operate like that, but what I’ve seen in the last 12 months, attending ownership meetings and being on the digital committee, is an understanding that, hey, the model is shifting and we have to be more open.”

Hunt is doing everything he can to make sure the hiring of coach Andy Reid and general manager John Dorsey is the end to a brutal four-year run marked by arrogance and detachment, bottoming out with a 2-14 thud last season that made Arrowhead quiet and fans wearing bags on their heads.

Hunt won’t blame the problems on anyone. He doesn’t bring up any names. But when Scott ***** was hired and given total football control four years ago, he brought a hyper-secretive and isolated style that — especially as the losses piled up — turned off many loyal fans.

But it was more than just losing that turned off many fans, so Hunt and club president Mark Donovan know that more than just winning is needed to bring them back. Consumers fans — have more power and more options than ever, so everyone lost with that old model. The Chiefs had empty seats, quiet or booing crowds, and fans who felt pushed away to prove it.

That’s not how the Chiefs became Kansas City’s passion. That’s not how they became a wildly profitable business.

Without a strong sense of connection, many fans drifted, and the Chiefs are now trying to woo them back with gifts and technology. The Chiefs were the first NFL team to use paperless tickets last year, and going forward, this is will be their vehicle of choice.

“Really, we want the experience with our fan base to be one where they’re an insider,” Hunt says. “Where they feel like an insider. Where they’re getting to see things, and hear things, and learn things that people generally don’t have an opportunity to do.”

The key to this is the season-ticketholder card the Chiefs created last year. Paperless tickets make it easier for fans to transfer seats or replace lost items. Now the club is adding a loyalty program that is part Foursquare, part frequent flier account and the first of its kind in the NFL.

The buzzword here is value. Part of winning back fans is to create more value in that card than mere admittance to the stadium. For instance, go to team events like next week’s draft party, and you’ll earn points. Show your card at various club sponsors and you’ll receive a discount. You get the idea.

Collect enough points and you can “buy” experiences that otherwise aren’t for sale, like pregame sideline passes or dinner with Reid.

The card is also important to the Chiefs, because they can gather data. Scanning those cards tells them all sorts of information — how early you arrive at the stadium, what you buy when you’re there, how often you attend club events during the week, etc.

You can look at this part in two ways. The Chiefs can use the information to maximize their profits (when and how to better staff the stadium, for instance) or to improve the efficiency of a fan’s game day experience. Both are true.

All NFL teams are working to bring fans into their stadiums instead of having them home on their couches. There are league-wide initiatives, like certain replays in the stadium that aren’t shown at home, and the Chiefs are working on other ways to enhance the stadium experience — cameras following players from their cars to the locker room, better cell phone reception, more fantasy football stats, etc.

This is all coming at a crucial time for the Chiefs. They still call Arrowhead “the loudest stadium in the NFL,” but that has been more of an outdated reminder of better times than an honest point of pride in recent years. They have fallen behind.

Again, the best way to change that is for the Chiefs to win. But fans have been disappointed by far more than losses in recent years. Heck, the Chiefs still haven’t won a playoff game since January 1994 so this isn’t a front-running fan base. Just one that wants to feel their love reciprocated.

The Chiefs think this is the way. They’re trying to replace the disconnect of the past four years with something closer to the party of the 1990s — and they’re doing it with the latest technology and a more open philosophy.

In other words, they want you back. And they’re changing to do it.

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

I want to bring in my own chicken wings and necks.

[TribalElder]

Moar drafted quarterbacks

[mlyonsd]

$3 beer would help.

[Rasputin]

They could quit trading away draft picks for shitty quarterbacks would be a nice change to start with.

[teedubya]

Yeah, the Chiefs were near the bottom of engagement of fans. I sent this to Clark 5 or 6 months ago. LOL. I know he opened it, too... due to pixel tracking. Good to see them embracing the changes.

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[Dayze]

Talk is cheap.
We're watching Clark

[BossChief]

How about draft a quarterback people would want to pay to watch play.

Have some shows hosted by players.

Bring back the player foundations.

Those would be a refreshing course of action.

[chefsos]

I didn't read one damn line of that.

Here's the outline, Clark:

1) Win

[Dayze]

I didn't read one damn line of that.

Here's the outline, Clark:

1) Win
That. We don't give a shit about e-tickets, or accumulating points for stupid events. Win. That's all we care about. You win, and you could do all the stupid shit you want.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

He showed you the philosophy he wants: 8-8. Do whatever you can to tease fans with the possibility of the playoffs and they'll come, despite that the moves will never result in success in the playoffs.

[dirk digler]

$3 beer would help.

That and have good wifi in the stadium. AH is a fucking dead zone

[Ace Gunner]

clark's idea of gushing information;

"We've narrowed it down to four guys" for the past 2 months

[HonestChieffan]

Hunt gets it. Good on Clark.

[DTLB58]

They better do something about filling the gold seats in the middle ring around the stadium that is 75% empty every time they show it on TV. That looks sorry.

I found my sweet seat and that ain't it.

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

Eric Winston with a spear vs 22 hungry man eating lions would please the crowd.

[Rasputin]

Hunt gets it. Good on Clark.

He doesn't get anything if they don't do things like draft a QBotf for future hopes to build a winning franchise with. Same as it ever was, same as it ever was.

Build a winning football team. They will come.

[DTLB58]

Hunt gets it. Good on Clark.

I agree, he is trying to show the fans he cares.

I know everyone wants to see the W's and I do just as much as anyone. This marks my 40th year as a very loyal committed Chief fan. But he hired people for the football side of it, he decided he didn't want to be JJ (at least not to that extent).

So he is working on other things. And yes, it is a business.

[BryanBusby]

They better do something about filling the gold seats in the middle ring around the stadium that is 75% empty every time they show it on TV. That looks sorry.

I found my sweet seat and that ain't it.
Lower the fucking price on them would be a good start. :)

[suzzer99]

They better do something about filling the gold seats in the middle ring around the stadium that is 75% empty every time they show it on TV. That looks sorry.

I found my sweet seat and that ain't it.

It kills the atmosphere too.

[Spott]

Let's see, they brought in yet another in a long line of shitty backup QB's to save the franchise which everyone knows doesn't work. Unless they are lowering the exhorbitant ticket, parking and concession prices, I don't see any thing better for the fans.

[Hammock Parties]

Mellinger sure is getting off on calling us "nasty" since the movement ended.

"No, no, Mr. Hunt, I had nothing to do with those nasty fans."

[RealSNR]

If this rewards program would have been around when Pioli was GM, a certain number of points would earn you a free clue.

[RealSNR]

Mellinger sure is getting off on calling us "nasty" since the movement ended.

"No, no, Mr. Hunt, I had nothing to do with those nasty fans."

I also noticed that.

Mellinger never was very helpful to the SOC movement. When he wrote about it, he didn't really ever back it. It was just his reporting that brought attention to it, and his kind of "WOAH these people sure are pissed!" attitude that he couldn't help but sneak in.

I also didn't care for his weekly "WOW THE CHIEFS SURE DO SUCK" columns. No fucking shit, Sam. Tell us something we don't know. You already said they historically suck last week. Give us something different you hack.

[RunKC]

Clark has shown us how much he cares about this team the last 4 years.

Bringing in the best GM candidate on the market 4 years ago and now bringing in the best and most proven coaching candidate along with a highly touted GM once again shows he wants the best qualified people to run the franchise.

The QB situation has nothing to do with Clark.

[Hammock Parties]

Column should be retitled "Hunt wants the Chiefs to get out of the red."

[BossChief]

They better do something about filling the gold seats in the middle ring around the stadium that is 75% empty every time they show it on TV. That looks sorry.

I found my sweet seat and that ain't it.

Lower the fucking price on them would be a good start. :)

Not sure if it's changed or not, but it wasn't just the price that turned me away from ordering some of those seats not too long ago...it was that they required fans to sign a contract that forced them to have a commitment to those seats for 3 years.

If he wants to fill those seats (as well as the luxury boxes he built with the renovation) big money people are gonna have to have a star quarterback to root for.

[RealSNR]

Column should be retitled "Hunt wants the Chiefs to get out of the red."

...into something more comfortable...


Gay.

[BryanBusby]

The contractual obligation isn't horrible, considering it's a somewhat short length (at least compared to the whole PSL shit).

[Hammock Parties]

When the season ticket sales report comes out this fall, Hunt will turn down the lights, turn up his his stereo, and get really turned on as he dances with a mannequin in a Chiefs jersey to "Lady in Red."

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[HonestChieffan]

He doesn't get anything if they don't do things like draft a QBotf for future hopes to build a winning franchise with. Same as it ever was, same as it ever was.

Build a winning football team. They will come.

Geno will be sacking groceries in 5 years. Wake up.

[FloridaMan88]

Winning will bring the fans back and fill Arrowhead again... it is pretty simple.

[Hammock Parties]

Being "nice" is just something buy you a little leeway if you don't win.

Probably not a horrible idea I guess.

Pioli would probably still be here if he wasn't such a dick.

[RunKC]

Still confused as to why people directly blame Clark for not having a first round QB? It's not his doing. He doesn't draft them. The coach and GM does that.

I'm sure Clark told Andy and Dorsey that he would like a first round QB, but you don't tell people who you just hired how to do their jobs. That tends to circulate around the league and you end up getting a shit reputation like Scott Pioli.

[Demonpenz]

Still confused as to why people directly blame Clark for not having a first round QB? It's not his doing. He doesn't draft them. The coach and GM does that.

I'm sure Clark told Andy and Dorsey that he would like a first round QB, but you don't tell people who you just hired how to do their jobs. That tends to circulate around the league and you end up getting a shit reputation like Scott *****.



because we've had GM's wanting to draft a qb and the BIG man said it wasn't worth the risk. That is why we always draft Dlineman. Safe pick

[BryanBusby]

We've had GM's that wanted to take a QB in the first round? News to me.

[lcarus]

And bring back the long troths in the mens rooms. This isn't the Bellagio, it's Arrowhead. I know I always felt like I was probably going to get hepatitis and it smelled like a piss bank in there, but it was MY piss bank and hepatitis. I cherished it.

[milkman]

He doesn't get anything if they don't do things like draft a QBotf for future hopes to build a winning franchise with. Same as it ever was, same as it ever was.

Build a winning football team. They will come.

We here at the planet are a minority.

This team only need field a competitive team to entice the regular fan back to the stadium.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

He showed you the philosophy he wants: 8-8. Do whatever you can to tease fans with the possibility of the playoffs and they'll come, despite that the moves will never result in success in the playoffs.

Yep. "heck, the Chiefs haven't even won a playoff game since 1994". "The fanbase just wants its love reciprocated"! Really? Is that all we're in this for? What a pile of shit.
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[RustShack]

We almost drafted Brady Quinn in the first round.

[GordonGekko]

because we've had GM's wanting to draft a qb and the BIG man said it wasn't worth the risk. That is why we always draft Dlineman. Safe pick

Dlineman, the Chiefs have proven this is NOT a safe pick, not at all.

[chiefs1111]

We here at the planet are a minority.

This team only need field a competitive team to entice the regular fan back to the stadium.

It's sad that the team only needs to be. 8-8 or 9-7 for the majority of the fan base.

[bevischief]

How about draft a quarterback people would want to pay to watch play.

Have some shows hosted by players.

Bring back the player foundations.

Those would be a refreshing course of action.

this is a start.

[Tribal Warfare]

Being "nice" is just something buy you a little leeway if you don't win.

Probably not a horrible idea I guess.

***** would probably still be here if he wasn't such a dick.

Not really, I talk to everyone as civil as possible because that's what I do in real life.

[ChiefMojo]

What Milkman and Hamas brought up is true. That fact falls on deaf ears on this board more time than not but the constant crying for Geno or other extreme negative thoughts are a vocal minority in the grand scheme of things when it comes to the Chiefs Kingdom.

Most Chiefs fans (true fans) want the feeling of being loved and interaction with the organization (which was completely lost with *****). They want the feeling of what they had in the 90's. Just being around .500 or a little better would fill Arrowhead back up to sell-out status. Clark knows this, he has seen the blue print for this fanbase.

I know that doesn't sit well at all with many on this board but that is just the way things are in KC. Most of the fanbase could give a rats what method of selection it took to get that QB to KC. Just win me some games, give me a great atmosphere, let us interact with the players (charity events and radio gigs) and make me feel loved is all they want.

[chiefzilla1501]

What Milkman and Hamas brought up is true. That fact falls on deaf ears on this board more time than not but the constant crying for Geno or other extreme negative thoughts are a vocal minority in the grand scheme of things when it comes to the Chiefs Kingdom.

Most Chiefs fans (true fans) want the feeling of being loved and interaction with the organization (which was completely lost with *****). They want the feeling of what they had in the 90's. Just being around .500 or a little better would fill Arrowhead back up to sell-out status. Clark knows this, he has seen the blue print for this fanbase.

I know that doesn't sit well at all with many on this board but that is just the way things are in KC. Most of the fanbase could give a rats what method of selection it took to get that QB to KC. Just win me some games, give me a great atmosphere, let us interact with the players (charity events and radio gigs) and make me feel loved is all they want.

This is a really good thing. The Chiefs need to start winning again and winning back the true fans. Much as we hate true fans, they keep Arrowhead packed and loud.

I don't care if they traded for Smith so they can start winning the fans back again. I only care if they settle for him, vs. a still relentless search for a QB. It also doesn't matter to me if they skip over Geno or a QB in round 1, but if they do, they damn well better be right.

[HemiEd]

Let's see, they brought in yet another in a long line of shitty backup QB's to save the franchise which everyone knows doesn't work. Unless they are lowering the exhorbitant ticket, parking and concession prices, I don't see any thing better for the fans.

yep

[crossbow]

Sorry Clark,

You traded for yet another dumbass QB from Frisco. You did this so many times that your fans have given up on your team. Your team is a joke and you overpaid the 49ers to get there. I can't take this mess seriously.

[chiefzilla1501]

Sorry Clark,

You traded for yet another dumbass QB from Frisco. You did this so many times that your fans have given up on your team. Your team is a joke and you overpaid the 49ers to get there. I can't take this mess seriously.

I think you're assuming Chiefs Planet thinks the same way true fans do. True fans are the way to packing Arrowhead. Sad but true. True fans will support this team in droves when they start winning again and when the team opens up access to the fans again.

I hope, like all of us on CP do, that the team doesn't settle for that being good enough. I don't think Dorsey works that way.

[crossbow]

Given the huge price they paid for that slapdick, they are going to have to stand by this move even if it means they use a crowbar to force him on the fans. This is Grbac/Cassel all over again. You would think Clark would be smart enough to veto this idea. He has been through this before and knows it doesn't work.

[Steron]

Clark has shown us how much he cares about this team the last 4 years.

Bringing in the best GM candidate on the market 4 years ago and now bringing in the best and most proven coaching candidate along with a highly touted GM once again shows he wants the best qualified people to run the franchise.

The QB situation has nothing to do with Clark.

+1

[BlackHelicopters]

Winning cures all.

[whoman69]

I don't want platitudes while the organization throws out a strategy to get the team back to 8-8

[Marcellus]

I love it. The CP braintrust has concluded the Reid and Dorsey have no intention of winning a SB, all they are here to do is get to 8-8 and sell Clark tickets. Its not about winning to them is it? I mean hey its only their careers on the line right?

LMAO


You all are basically once again saying Clark told them not to draft a QB because that is the only outlier in the new regime that has you guys crying and whining and Clark is the root case according to you all.

It couldn't be that this QB class sucks ass and Alex Smith is a stop gap until the QBOTF is found. I mean neither Reid or Dorsey have a history of drafting QB's right?

Clark has spent a boatload of money to get back to 8-8. That's a genius business model.

You guys are really really full of yourselves these days.

[Bugeater]

I love it. The CP braintrust has concluded the Reid and Dorsey have no intention of winning a SB, all they are here to do is get to 8-8 and sell Clark tickets. Its not about winning to them is it? I mean hey its only their careers on the line right?


Their careers aren't on the line if they don't win a SB. However, their careers WILL be on the line if they can't at least go 8-8 and sell tickets.

Which do you think is going to be a priority with them?

[chiefzilla1501]

I don't want platitudes while the organization throws out a strategy to get the team back to 8-8

We haven't even had a draft yet. We are in the first few months of a new regime. We haven't seen if they actually think Alex Smith is a long-term answer. Given Reid and Dorsey's history, we will constantly bring in new young QBs to groom.

I am not at all endorsing anything they've done this offseason. But it's way too soon to freak out about it. They can build a team to win now while making great moves that make them long-term competitive within a few years.

[ChiefMojo]

Bingo but many are so damn narrow minded they just think of drafting a QB in the first round will solve all problems. Sure it would be great if there was a legit franchise QB to take at #1.

[Marcellus]

Their careers aren't on the line if they don't win a SB. However, their careers WILL be on the line if they can't at least go 8-8 and sell tickets.

Which do you think is going to be a priority with them?


I think people have lost their fucking minds is what I think.

There is a distinct difference between believing the moves the Chiefs are making will only get them to 8-8 and believing that that is their goal and everyone in the organization would be happy with that.

I have no issue with anyone believing that 8-8 or 9-7 is this teams ceiling with Alex Smith.

I think if you believe that's the plan and goal you are an idiot who thinks way too highly of your own opinion when it comes to football.

And that is what many people are claiming. Its ludicrous.

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

Bring back the PRRRRRRRRRICE CHOPPER commercials. The Hy-Vee elevator music- ***** right 53 times sucked the penis.

[Coogs]

Just winning may not be enough. Team went 10-6 in 2010, and IIRC the place wasn't packed even late in the season with the playoffs on the line. And I don't believe that 10-6 season parlayed into a rush on people buying season tickets in 2011.

[Bugeater]

I think people have lost their fucking minds is what I think.

There is a distinct difference between believing the moves the Chiefs are making will only get them to 8-8 and believing that that is their goal and everyone in the organization would be happy with that.

I have no issue with anyone believing that 8-8 or 9-7 is this teams ceiling with Alex Smith.

I think if you believe that's the plan and goal you are an idiot who thinks way too highly of your own opinion when it comes to football.

And that is what many people are claiming. Its ludicrous.
Hmmm. You didn't really answer my question.

Look, I'm sure they'd love to win a SB, but I don't believe that it's a priority for them or any other coach/GM in the league. Their main concern is keeping their jobs for as long as possible. If they happen to win a SB along the way, that's great. If not, oh well, we all made a shit ton of money.

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

2010 was rough for a lot of folk$.

[Carlota69]

I think people have lost their ****ing minds is what I think.

There is a distinct difference between believing the moves the Chiefs are making will only get them to 8-8 and believing that that is their goal and everyone in the organization would be happy with that.

I have no issue with anyone believing that 8-8 or 9-7 is this teams ceiling with Alex Smith.

I think if you believe that's the plan and goal you are an idiot who thinks way too highly of your own opinion when it comes to football.

And that is what many people are claiming. Its ludicrous.

Agreed. What kills me is how they KNOW xWhats going to happen and how they KNOW that the new regime only wants to go 8-8 and their goal isn't to go to SB. They KNOW everything.

No one KNOWS shit. They may be right, they may not. But to even for a one second think that it's more important to be mediocre than win it all is ridiculous. Everyone wants to win a SB. From the owner, to the GM, to the water boy, to the fans. Everyone wants to wina championship. 8-8 isn't enough for anyone, although to may be what we a looking at next year. But, I don't think anyone's goal is to continue to be 8-8.

Smith is a stop gap for the moment, until he proves otherwise, and I can't imagine this FO not drafting a QB once they see one they like.

Th draft hasn't happened yet. The poker hand hasn't hit the river yet.

[Coogs]

2010 was rough for a lot of folk$.

That's true.

[Marcellus]

Hmmm. You didn't really answer my question.

Look, I'm sure they'd love to win a SB, but I don't believe that it's a priority for them or any other coach/GM in the league. Their main concern is keeping their jobs for as long as possible. If they happen to win a SB along the way, that's great. If not, oh well, we all made a shit ton of money.

Andy Reid is an established coach. He didn't come to KC to go 8-8 and worry about his job, I guarantee you that.

He has his guaranteed $ wrapped up in his contract, you act like he could get fired after 2 seasons and miss out on the other 3 years worth of money. Nope he is paid one way or another.

The fact is all Reid has to focus on is winning as much as humanly possible. I dont think 8-8 is part of that plan.

Does he have the ability to push this team to a playoff win? I think so. If he doesn't it wont be because he got to 8-8 and didn't worry about anything more.

If anything the trade for Smith tells us they think they can win now. Had they drafted Geno they would have had a few years to develop him without worry of job repercussions.

Trading for Alex pushed the expectations on them right now so that blows the 8-8 job security crap off the map out the gate.

[gblowfish]

This is so sad.

Chunt thinks the way to make us love the Chiefs is to give us a plastic card to earn "Frequent Fan Points?" They want me to use a Chiefs Card like I'm shopping at CVS or Price Chopper? JFC, gimme a break. All they want to do is gather more marketing information. That's all this is. It is a cynical, calculated business move only. This proves NOTHING to me. If they really loved the STH, they wouldn't make you EARN a trip onto the sidelines. I got to do that anyway the last couple of years. I don't give a crap about having dinner with Coach Reid. It would probably be pretty disgusting anyway, watching that fat **** choke down a slab of ribs.

Every retail outlet now wants you to have "their card." They want to know what you bought, when you bought it, why you bought it, what else you might buy....buy....buy....buy.....buy.

Nothing to see here. It's same as it ever was.

[chiefzilla1501]

Hmmm. You didn't really answer my question.

Look, I'm sure they'd love to win a SB, but I don't believe that it's a priority for them or any other coach/GM in the league. Their main concern is keeping their jobs for as long as possible. If they happen to win a SB along the way, that's great. If not, oh well, we all made a shit ton of money.

I have a lot of questions about whether Reid can manage games to get a team into a Super Bowl. Never once have I questioned that the dude wants to win.

[chiefzilla1501]

This is so sad.

Chunt thinks the way to make us love the Chiefs is to give us a plastic card to earn "Frequent Fan Points?" They want me to use a Chiefs Card like I'm shopping at CVS or Price Chopper? JFC, gimme a break. All they want to do is gather more marketing information. That's all this is. It is a cynical, calculated business move only. This proves NOTHING to me. If they really loved the STH, they wouldn't make you EARN a trip onto the sidelines. I got to do that anyway the last couple of years. I don't give a crap about having dinner with Coach Reid. It would probably be pretty disgusting anyway, watching that fat **** choke down a slab of ribs.

Every retail outlet now wants you to have "their card." They want to know what you bought, when you bought it, why you bought it, what else you might buy....buy....buy....buy.....buy.

Nothing to see here. It's same as it ever was.

Actually, not to nitpick, but having worked on the data side of these programs, these programs are great for the business and the customer. It's a great idea and I'm glad the Chiefs are on the cutting edge. As for "earning" rewards. I love this too. If you are a devoted fan through thick and thin, more than just showing up to a few games and sitting down the entire time, than hell yeah, give them better seats and perks. I don't see any problem with rewarding fans who are most loyal to their team. Since it sounds like you are beyond a loyal fan, I'm sure you'll get some sweet perks too and your tune will change.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

All these fuckers want is a swift return to Martyball. Hell, I bet that shit was even brought up in the initial meetings. "remember the good ol' days"? Etc. Oh yeah, the days we didnt win jack-shit? Oh yeah. That was fuckin' grrrrrrrrrrreat! Fuck me.
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[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Actually, not to nitpick, but having worked on the data side of these programs, these programs are great for the business and the customer. It's a great idea and I'm glad the Chiefs are on the cutting edge. As for "earning" rewards. I love this too. If you are a devoted fan through thick and thin, more than just showing up to a few games and sitting down the entire time, than hell yeah, give them better seats and perks. I don't see any problem with rewarding fans who are most loyal to their team. Since it sounds like you are beyond a loyal fan, I'm sure you'll get some sweet perks too and your tune will change.

So... The card will monitor your ass psition to determine whether you are standing or sitting?
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[chiefzilla1501]

All these ****ers want is a swift return to Martyball. Hell, I bet that shit was even brought up in the initial meetings. "remember the good ol' days"? Etc. Oh yeah, the days we didnt win jack-shit? Oh yeah. That was ****in' grrrrrrrrrrreat! **** me.
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Andy Reid is an offensive coach who doesn't run the ball much. I don't know what you're trying to say here. Just because the team is dialed in to going 8-8 now, does not mean they don't want to be serious winners in the future. We haven't seen good or bad what their long-term plan is.

[chiefzilla1501]

So... The card will monitor your ass psition to determine whether you are standing or sitting?
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If you are going to every home game multiple years, draft parties, Arrowhead events, etc.... more than likely you love this team, and more than likely you're the type of fan who likes to stand and get loud. Not rocket science.

[gblowfish]

Actually, not to nitpick, but having worked on the data side of these programs, these programs are great for the business and the customer. It's a great idea and I'm glad the Chiefs are on the cutting edge. As for "earning" rewards. I love this too. If you are a devoted fan through thick and thin, more than just showing up to a few games and sitting down the entire time, than hell yeah, give them better seats and perks. I don't see any problem with rewarding fans who are most loyal to their team. Since it sounds like you are beyond a loyal fan, I'm sure you'll get some sweet perks too and your tune will change.

Are you a mult for Reid the Red, the Chiefs current version of Baghdad Bob?

Oh, and as far as "earning rewards as a devoted fan" all I can tell you is my family has had season tickets for 45 years. In 1993 when the Chiefs made it to the AFC Championship game, all we got from the Chiefs was a letter from Carl Peterson telling to go fuck ourselves if we wanted a shot at Super Bowl Tickets. That really showed me what the Chiefs thought of our family loyalty when the rubber met the road.

[ChiefMojo]

So gblowfish you apparently just glossed over all the rest of the article then or picked out the one thing you wanted to rant about? From reading your post it is apparent you have a agenda and nothing will fix that... your issue, not ours.

In reality I think most fans don't care about the whole "card reward business" even though it is smart business, as much as they do with the connection and feeling like insiders aspect. The fanbase as a whole just wants to feel like what they had interaction wise back in the 90' to mid 00's (I know that whole Martyball/Grandpa Dick era pisses some of you off). Nothing less and nothing more. Sure everyone will come completely back once we start winning but don't think for a second there isn't a large portion of the fanbase that just want to feel they are a part of the franchise like they once were. By going .500 really gets most of those fans back along with the feeling of being loved/connected... I know that pisses some on this board off mightily!

For those to say Dorsey, Reid and Hunt just want to be .500 to fill Clark's pockets are insane and stupid! Those guys want to win championships as bad or probably worse than the fanbase.

[chiefzilla1501]

Are you a mult for Reid the Red, the Chiefs current version of Baghdad Bob?

Oh, and as far as "earning rewards as a devoted fan" all I can tell you is my family has had season tickets for 45 years. In 1993 when the Chiefs made it to the AFC Championship game, all we got from the Chiefs was a letter from Carl Peterson telling to go **** ourselves if we wanted a shot at Super Bowl Tickets. That really showed me what the Chiefs thought of our family loyalty when the rubber met the road.

No, man. I respect your opinion a lot. I am just saying I know the loyalty business and think you have a misperception of it. This is one of the few business practices that have been great for customers and fans. Because businesses that use loyalty/rewards cards build their business around what customers want, not what some executive on the 50th floor thinks customers want.

To your second point... I know you've been screwed in the past. I'm assuming the new program fixes that by actually tracking your loyalty, not just with season tickets, but also with things you do outside of Arrowhead. Maybe you'll get fucked again. If you do, that's a damn shame.

[Bugeater]

Jesus, some of you people are dense. I'm not saying that they "want" to just go .500 and sell tickets. I'm just saying that it is their ABSOLUTE FIRST FUCKING PRIORITY because they will lose their jobs if they don't. I don't doubt that they all "want" to win a SB, the question is are they willing to take the risks necessary to do that? No, nobody knows for sure yet, but right now it looks like it's business as usual at One Arrowhead Drive. Given the history of the franchise, you can't blame people for their concern early on.

[milkman]

Jesus, some of you people are dense. I'm not saying that they "want" to just go .500 and sell tickets. I'm just saying that it is their ABSOLUTE FIRST ****ING PRIORITY because they will lose their jobs if they don't. I don't doubt that they all "want" to win a SB, the question is are they willing to take the risks necessary to do that? No, nobody knows for sure yet, but right now it looks like it's business as usual at One Arrowhead Drive. Given the history of the franchise, you can't blame people for their concern early on.

I believe Hunt's first priority is business, but I also believe he has a burning desire to win a SB.

I think that is proven by the fact that in both situations that he found himself looking for football people to run the team he has gotten the top candidates for the position.

I didn't believe Scott Pioli was the right guy then, I don't believe that Reid is the right guy now.

My concern is that the football people are the wrong people.

[Dane'sCousin]

Eric Winston with a spear vs 22 hungry man eating lions would please the crowd.

yes

[Rasputin]

I believe Hunt's first priority is business, but I also believe he has a burning desire to win a SB.

I think that is proven by the fact that in both situations that he found himself looking for football people to run the team he has gotten the top candidates for the position.

I didn't believe Scott ***** was the right guy then, I don't believe that Reid is the right guy now.

My concern is that the football people are the wrong people.

My first thought of having Andy Reid as our coach was thinking that Geno Smith would be the perfect fit. Now that we traded away our second pick for the wrong Smith am pretty much thinking like you that Andy Reid is the wrong hire. All I wanted and hoped for was drafting a QB with our first pick of the draft so we can start building a team for championships.

[gblowfish]

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[Chiefshrink]

Given the huge price they paid for that slapdick, they are going to have to stand by this move even if it means they use a crowbar to force him on the fans. This is Grbac/Cassel all over again. You would think Clark would be smart enough to veto this idea. He has been through this before and knows it doesn't work.

I get your point, but we had to overpay to get AS because too many other teams wanted his services thus we had to drop our pants. We had no leverage because we literally had no legit NFL QB and San Fran knew this and raped us. I have no problem with that because I would expect Dorsey to do the same to any other team in desperate need. It's called how to stay on top and continually win. He was the only vet QB on the market that has shown some mid-career 'uptick potential' Reid/Dorsey could live with as a stop-gap until we get our real QBOTF. Like you I'm not digging the AS trade and what we gave up for him but the fact that Reid/Dorsey did this soooooooooo early on before the draft is a BIG TELL of what they think about the QB class coming out and the potential of taking a QB with the first pick. NOT ! But yes, I to am tired of San Fran QB's unless of course you are talking Kaep:D

[Chiefshrink]

My concern is that the football people are the wrong people.

You don't like the Dorsey hire either ?

[KCinNY]

Do Reid and Dorsey want to win it all? Of course.

But 8-8ish with some playoff appearances will let them keep their jobs indefinitely. That's the minimum expectation of ownership and the majority of the fanbase.

Carl got two decades and only won 3 postseason games...THREE!!!!

Not sure why I'm supposed to get excited about customer tracking cards and paperless tickets.

[chiefzilla1501]

My first thought of having Andy Reid as our coach was thinking that Geno Smith would be the perfect fit. Now that we traded away our second pick for the wrong Smith am pretty much thinking like you that Andy Reid is the wrong hire. All I wanted and hoped for was drafting a QB with our first pick of the draft so we can start building a team for championships.

I don't think anyone doubts that both Reid and Dorsey believe the QB is a priority, and their history shows that they will constantly bring in new QBs. So I don't think that's why people think Reid is the wrong hire. Not to mention... if they just flat out don't like the QB options, then let's see how that plays out, but they damn well better be right.

Only reason I'm not a huge fan of the Reid hire is that, like Marty, he has a way of coaching himself into losing big games. I don't doubt for a second that in a few years, Reid will have a very talented team, but worry he won't quite get past the AFC championship game.

[gblowfish]

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[Chiefshrink]

I agree, he is trying to show the fans he cares.

I know everyone wants to see the W's and I do just as much as anyone. This marks my 40th year as a very loyal committed Chief fan. But he hired people for the football side of it, he decided he didn't want to be JJ (at least not to that extent).

So he is working on other things. And yes, it is a business.

Clark doing his part to fix the *****/Katrina esque ravaged Chiefs economic situation and I applaud these business moves:clap:

As Milk said like many of you we are in the minority here and don't get caught up in the bells and whistles. We just want to know when we get behind that wheel and step on that accelerator we feel and see the high performance engine that gets us to the checkered flag FIRST !!!!:thumb:

[chiefzilla1501]

Do Reid and Dorsey want to win it all? Of course.

But 8-8ish with some playoff appearances will let them keep their jobs indefinitely. That's the minimum expectation of ownership and the majority of the fanbase.

Carl got two decades and only won 3 postseason games...THREE!!!!

Not sure why I'm supposed to get excited about customer tracking cards and paperless tickets.

The last two things are huge improvements to the fan experience, so they're great moves. And it's not just a business move. It's something any team should do no matter how good your team is.

[Chiefshrink]

Do Reid and Dorsey want to win it all? Of course.

But 8-8ish with some playoff appearances will let them keep their jobs indefinitely. That's the minimum expectation of ownership and the majority of the fanbase.

Carl got two decades and only won 3 postseason games...THREE!!!!

Not sure why I'm supposed to get excited about customer tracking cards and paperless tickets.

Carl got 2 decades because Lamar was uninvolved and too nice to do anything about it and Carl's ego took advantage of this. Daddy dies and Carl is gone. Pioli didn't win with Cassel and both are gone. Clark observed up close with daddy what happens when you play too nice and also learned up close making his first mistake in getting caught up in the 'executive of the year' hype crap hiring Pioli. Clark is Opie Taylor gone bad with an innocent smile that truly wants to win NOW and I like it ! I like Clark and what he is trying to do and yes he is learning as well but at least he is trying to do the best for the team and fans when 'shit' doesn't go right.

[chiefzilla1501]

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Pretty clever. Love Carlin. But we live in a different world now. Marketing isn't about pushing messages at a customer, it's about listening and delivering what they want. That's why grocery stores with loyalty cards only give you coupons for stuff you might buy, Amazon recommends books you may want to read, and google has complicated ways to get the right website at the top of your search. Advertising with gimmicks is a dying practice.

[Marcellus]

My first thought of having Andy Reid as our coach was thinking that Geno Smith would be the perfect fit. Now that we traded away our second pick for the wrong Smith am pretty much thinking like you that Andy Reid is the wrong hire. All I wanted and hoped for was drafting a QB with our first pick of the draft so we can start building a team for championships.

You nicely summed up the ludicrous ideology that represents a lot of people on this board. Too many people had all their eggs in the Geno basket. No Geno then these guys obviously have no idea what they are doing since its a lock Geno is going to be successful in the NFL.

We have the #1 pick in arguably the worst draft in 15 years. That's not Reid or Dorsey's fault and because you can't force feed them the QB you want then they must be idiots right.

When they were hired they were genius and the right guys, they trade for Alex Smith they are now idiots who only care about 8-8.

:rolleyes:

[milkman]

You don't like the Dorsey hire either ?

Dorsey is unknown.

I like his background, thus, his potential.

I would have preferred a pairing with a different coach.

[Rasputin]

Dorsey is unknown.

I like his background, thus, his potential.

I would have preferred a pairing with a different coach.

I find that Dorsey saying he doesn't have an "ego" is having an "ego" in it'self. I think he is just saying that to get Chiefs fans approval.

I'm not going to trust these guys until we draft and start a first round qbotf.

[milkman]

You nicely summed up the ludicrous ideology that represents a lot of people on this board. Too many people had all their eggs in the Geno basket. No Geno then these guys obviously have no idea what they are doing since its a lock Geno is going to be successful in the NFL.

We have the #1 pick in arguably the worst draft in 15 years. That's not Reid or Dorsey's fault and because you can't force feed them the QB you want then they must be idiots right.

When they were hired they were genius and the right guys, they trade for Alex Smith they are now idiots who only care about 8-8.

:rolleyes:

I think a lot of people were excited by the Reid hire (I wasn't, but I was in the minority).

However, when he and Dorsey used the same blueprint at QB that has failed this franchise for 30 years, it would almost be impossible for many to simply sit back and not begin to question the decision.

[Marcellus]

I think a lot of people were excited by the Reid hire (I wasn't, but I was in the minority).

However, when he and Dorsey used the same blueprint at QB that has failed this franchise for 30 years, it would almost be impossible for many to simply sit back and not begin to question the decision.

I have said it before and I will say it again. You don't do things just do them or to say you tried.

Trading for Cassel want the mistake ***** made, there wasn't a decent QB in that draft. Not covering his ass with a back up plan or addressing it later was the mistake

This QB draft class sucks and what it comes down to is Reid and Dorsey thinking Alex Smith is a better NFL QB than Geno Smith is going to be based off of their criteria, whatever that may be.

Its not difficult to understand. Whether they will be correct is yet to be seen.

I am still in the belief drafting Geno #1 would have sold tickets and filled the stadium so I dont think the Alex Smith trade has a damn thing to do with $ or tickets sales. It has to do with that's who they think is the best option.

[RealSNR]

You nicely summed up the ludicrous ideology that represents a lot of people on this board. Too many people had all their eggs in the Geno basket. No Geno then these guys obviously have no idea what they are doing since its a lock Geno is going to be successful in the NFL.

We have the #1 pick in arguably the worst draft in 15 years. That's not Reid or Dorsey's fault and because you can't force feed them the QB you want then they must be idiots right.

When they were hired they were genius and the right guys, they trade for Alex Smith they are now idiots who only care about 8-8.

:rolleyes:

I'm sure John Dorsey is a brilliant personnel evaluator who will string together some very nice drafts for KC.

And I'm sure Andy Reid actually is the QB guru that people in the NFL claim him to be. And he's probably the best head coach this Chiefs team has had since Dick Vermeil, and probably even better.

But the Alex Smith decision was dumb. It was a dumb decision. Andy even said he wanted Smith because he had a bizarre fascination with the player from afar in Philadelphia all those years. He let his emotions and enormous fat gut do the thinking on that QB decision. Coaches do it all the time, so whatever.

The problem is he did it at the exact wrong fucking time. And yes, that shit DOES matter. Coming off of the Cassel years, which came after 3 seasons of Huard/Croyle/Thigpen at the tail end of a 30 year drought of 1st round QBs in the midst of approaching the 20 year anniversary of the last time the Chiefs won a playoff game isn't just bad timing. IT'S FUCKING HORRIBLE TIMING.

It's the WORST fucking timing you could possibly have in a new regime.

He shouldn't be tied down to the franchise's previous decisions and mistakes? BULL. FUCKING. SHIT. He IS the franchise now, therefore the previous mistakes are HIS responsibility to fix. And he did it the worst fucking way he possibly could.

So yes, it DOES matter that the Alex Smith trade happened, and yes it IS Reid/Dorsey's fault that they chose it. The perceived quality of QB talent in the draft should have nothing to do with it. They like Geno according to Bad Guy's source. Yet NOW they say that. They couldn't fucking wait. They had to pull the Alex Smith trigger a whole fucking 2 weeks BEFORE THE TRADING SEASON could begin.

That's called not thinking. It's called being stupid. They made a terrible terrible decision. That doesn't mean they're terrible at their jobs, but it DOES mean that they better fucking win a playoff game pronto if their grand master plan is going to work.

[milkman]

I have said it before and I will say it again. You don't do things just do them or to say you tried.

Trading for Cassel want the mistake ***** made, there wasn't a decent QB in that draft. Not covering his ass with a back up plan or addressing it later was the mistake

This QB draft class sucks and what it comes down to is Reid and Dorsey thinking Alex Smith is a better NFL QB than Geno Smith is going to be based off of their criteria, whatever that may be.

Its not difficult to understand. Whether they will be correct is yet to be seen.

I am still in the belief drafting Geno #1 would have sold tickets and filled the stadium so I dont think the Alex Smith trade has a damn thing to do with $ or tickets sales. It has to do with that's who they think is the best option.

This is a point that you and I have disagreed about for years.

I believed then, as I believe now, that trading for Cassel was the mistake.

I believe that you draft a guy with potential and hope that NFL coaching brings that potential to realization.

A QB that has had 4 years of NFL coaching that still had the flaws that Cassel still had is never going to be a franchise QB.

[Marcellus]

So yes, it DOES matter that the Alex Smith trade happened, and yes it IS Reid/Dorsey's fault that they chose it. The perceived quality of QB talent in the draft should have nothing to do with it. They like Geno according to Bad Guy's source. Yet NOW they say that. They couldn't ****ing wait. They had to pull the Alex Smith trigger a whole ****ing 2 weeks BEFORE THE TRADING SEASON could begin.

That's called not thinking. It's called being stupid. They made a terrible terrible decision. That doesn't mean they're terrible at their jobs, but it DOES mean that they better ****ing win a playoff game pronto if their grand master plan is going to work.

LMAO OK.


So you think this is still happening with a class equal to last years talent of QB class. LMAO

[Marcellus]

This is a point that you and I have disagreed about for years.

I believed then, as I believe now, that trading for Cassel was the mistake.

I believe that you draft a guy with potential and hope that NFL coaching brings that potential to realization.

A QB that has had 4 years of NFL coaching that still had the flaws that Cassel still had is never going to be a franchise QB.

So you think Cassel could have led the 49'rs to OT in the NFCCG?

The comparisons between Smith and Cassel are ridiculous. Wait and see.

[milkman]

So you think Cassel could have led the 49'rs to OT in the NFCCG?

The comparisons between Smith and Cassel are ridiculous. Wait and see.

Where did I compare Smith to Cassel?

I have said it time and time again.

Smith is better than Cassel.

But better than bad does not equal good.

Smith is an efficient game manager.

He is not going to lead a team to the SB.

He may be carried by a team to the SB.

Matt Cassel is just too bad to even manage that.

And the suggestion that Smith "led" the 9ers to OT in the NFC Championship game is laughable.

If he just manages to convert just a couple of third downs, the Giants would not have been in position to get that game to OT.

[crossbow]

I think a lot of people were excited by the Reid hire (I wasn't, but I was in the minority).

However, when he and Dorsey used the same blueprint at QB that has failed this franchise for 30 years, it would almost be impossible for many to simply sit back and not begin to question the decision.

This is exactly the point. You would asume they were going to do something bold and creative like people that get paid millions of dollars are supposed to do. But they did what we have seen countless times over a 30 year span and excpect us to get excited. When these guys show me something that separates them from the other medocre loser team managers, I will buy into their bullshit. So far a kid playing Madden could have made better moves then this. I just can't accept this lazy inept move its just too lame to forget.

[chiefzilla1501]

This is exactly the point. You would asume they were going to do something bold and creative like people that get paid millions of dollars are supposed to do. But they did what we have seen countless times over a 30 year span and excpect us to get excited. When these guys show me something that separates them from the other medocre loser team managers, I will buy into their bullshit. So far a kid playing Madden could have made better moves then this. I just can't accept this lazy inept move its just too lame to forget.

The Alex Smith move is ONLY bad if they commit to him as a long-term QB. And we don't know that yet. If it's a short-term move and it helps get the Chiefs winning games again, then I don't care about trade comp.

[crossbow]

The Alex trade is a totaly bad move because they will now win enough games to be out of reach to draft a franchise QB. I wouldn't be so angry if they hadn't done this so many pathetic times and failed at it.

[gblowfish]

If they draft a tackle, and Geno becomes a star, that will be typical Chiefs.

[chiefzilla1501]

The Alex trade is a totaly bad move because they will now win enough games to be out of reach to draft a franchise QB.

I don't blame anyone in One Arrowhead if they think another losing season is completely unacceptable. I'm in the camp that they need to find a franchise QB this year and it should hopefully be with the first pick. I don't know if they'll pass on Geno. I don't know if they're positioning for a trade out. I don't know if they like somebody later in the draft.

But I don't blame anyone in this organization for wanting to win in 2013. And I don't think the idea of tanking for a QB next year is a very good idea.

[crossbow]

Not suggesting they tank for a draft pick but that 2nd is huge to this team and the 3rd next year will be too. If not the first then isn't there someone in this years 2nd that could play the QB position? If they would at least try then the fans would give them time. But to do the exact same thing you did with the exact same team for the last freeking 30 years is beyond rediculous.

[crossbow]

I don't blame anyone in One Arrowhead if they think another losing season is completely unacceptable. I'm in the camp that they need to find a franchise QB this year and it should hopefully be with the first pick. I don't know if they'll pass on Geno. I don't know if they're positioning for a trade out. I don't know if they like somebody later in the draft.

But I don't blame anyone in this organization for wanting to win in 2013. And I don't think the idea of tanking for a QB next year is a very good idea.

Can't blame them for trying to win but I can call bullshit when I see them do something stupid over and over and over for 30 years.

[chiefzilla1501]

Can't blame them for trying to win but I can call bullshit when I see them do something stupid over and over and over for 30 years.

So far, the Chiefs have done a lot of things different than what we're used to. We hired a coach outside of the tree, he built a staff that pulled quite a few guys off of the tree, our new GM did not fire Pioli's scouts, they hired a defensive coordinator to adjust to our existing talent instead of force-fitting their old talent, and while I'm not a fan of Alex Smith, he wasn't pulled from the Packers or Eagles tree (even though they had opportunity to get Kolb and Matt Flynn).

History indicates that both the Eagles and Packers drafted QBs and drafted them often. Reid in particular understands the importance of the QB position. So no, I am not at all convinced they believe Alex Smith is a long-term answer, especially since they haven't extended his deal. Dorsey himself already pointed out Smith's limitations in an interview. Think it's fair to worry, too soon to panic.

[gblowfish]

I'm still hoping they trade out of the first spot and pick up a second round pick. If we're going to take a tackle, if we get the best, next best, or next to next best, it won't make much difference. How good your left tackle is, well, that's important, but isn't the lynchpin to winning a SB. QB is, absolutely. As long as we keep playing re-treads, we'll keep being also rans.

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

OH MY GOODNESS Alex Smith beat the Saints in a playoff game(@ home). Who else beat the Saints, and in their dome? A team that would win only one other game all season. Who might that team be?

[crossbow]

So far, the Chiefs have done a lot of things different than what we're used to. We hired a coach outside of the tree, he built a staff that pulled quite a few guys off of the tree, our new GM did not fire *****'s scouts, they hired a defensive coordinator to adjust to our existing talent instead of force-fitting their old talent, and while I'm not a fan of Alex Smith, he wasn't pulled from the Packers or Eagles tree (even though they had opportunity to get Kolb and Matt Flynn).

History indicates that both the Eagles and Packers drafted QBs and drafted them often. Reid in particular understands the importance of the QB position. So no, I am not at all convinced they believe Alex Smith is a long-term answer, especially since they haven't extended his deal. Dorsey himself already pointed out Smith's limitations in an interview. Think it's fair to worry, too soon to panic.

They will do what all of the other guys before them did here...trot that loser out there every game and make excuses for him.

Grbac, Bono, Cassel, Smith <--maybe a 4th QB from another team will be different this time.

[RealSNR]

LMAO OK.


So you think this is still happening with a class equal to last years talent of QB class. LMAOProbably not with Andrew Luck at the top, but that doesn't matter. Andrew Lucks should NEVER be expected in a draft class.

You heard Andy Reid. You heard him talk about Alex Smith and what he wanted to do all along on his new team. If say a Matt Stafford (whom I like Geno more than, but that's beside the point) were at the top of the draft, Reid probably would have traded for Alex. I'd bet money on it.

[chiefzilla1501]

Probably not with Andrew Luck at the top, but that doesn't matter. Andrew Lucks should NEVER be expected in a draft class.

You heard Andy Reid. You heard him talk about Alex Smith and what he wanted to do all along on his new team. If say a Matt Stafford (whom I like Geno more than, but that's beside the point) were at the top of the draft, Reid probably would have traded for Alex. I'd bet money on it.

I'm not sure what you expect Andy Reid to say. And there's plenty of reason to not overhype any QB prospect, seeing how they may be trying to wheel and deal. Dorsey's comments were more telling. He said Alex Smith was accurate on short to intermediate but pretty average in accuracy beyond that. Not a ringing endorsement. They also don't seem to have negotiated anything long-term.

It's way too soon to judge this for what it is. It's very reasonable that this was only a short-term move to win games today, but that they're still very serious about getting a young QB. Nothing has been sealed shut yet.

[chiefzilla1501]

They will do what all of the other guys before them did here...trot that loser out there every game and make excuses for him.

Grbac, Bono, Cassel, Smith <--maybe a 4th QB from another team will be different this time.

I will wait for them to extend his contract and/or refuse to draft QB and/or refuse to suggest there's any kind of QB competition.

I don't like the Alex Smith trade. But we have no idea what their long-term plan is for him. None.

[DTLB58]

Dorsey is unknown.

I like his background, thus, his potential.

I would have preferred a pairing with a different coach.

Agreed. I see it this way. Reid coaches the Chiefs for let's say 2-3 years and then albeit successful years will have to step down for health reasons ala Parcells and a young up and comer on the staff maybe Pedersen will be ready to take over.

Then Reid will too make this his team.

[DTLB58]

The Alex trade is a totaly bad move because they will now win enough games to be out of reach to draft a franchise QB. I wouldn't be so angry if they hadn't done this so many pathetic times and failed at it.

Then pick a new team and quit bitching about this one.

[DaFace]

Oh, look a thread about the Chiefs' front office changes they're considering to try and make the overall fan experience better. Nothing to do with the players, the draft, or anything like that. I wonder...

Yep. Completely overrun with Alex vs. Geno BS like very other thread. Not sure why I even consider this place worth reading for Chiefs news anymore.

[Bugeater]

Oh, look a thread about the Chiefs' front office changes they're considering to try and make the overall fan experience better. Nothing to do with the players, the draft, or anything like that. I wonder...

Yep. Completely overrun with Alex vs. Geno BS like very other thread. Not sure why I even consider this place worth reading for Chiefs news anymore.Is there something else you'd like to argue about?

[KCinNY]

If they draft a tackle, and Geno becomes a star, that will be typical Chiefs.

This is pretty much what I'm expecting to happen.

[BossChief]

Oh, look a thread about the Chiefs' front office changes they're considering to try and make the overall fan experience better. Nothing to do with the players, the draft, or anything like that. I wonder...

Yep. Completely overrun with Alex vs. Geno BS like very other thread. Not sure why I even consider this place worth reading for Chiefs news anymore.

We have suffered through a 6 season stretch that has given us 4 top five picks and after the 2013 draft, we STILL won't have drafted a quarterback.

The team just had the worst season in franchise history and we are supposed to be excited about season tickets being harder to sell if the team is terrible again?

Calm down, everyone...your cell phones will work at the stadium now!!!


Woohoo

I'm not gonna act excited about things till there is something to be excited for and it looks like that may be awhile.

[DaFace]

We have suffered through a 6 season stretch that has given us 4 top five picks and after the 2013 draft, we STILL won't have drafted a quarterback.

The team just had the worst season in franchise history and we are supposed to be excited about season tickets being harder to sell if the team is terrible again?

Calm down, everyone...your cell phones will work at the stadium now!!!


Woohoo

I'm not gonna act excited about things till there is something to be excited for and it looks like that may be awhile.

My point is just that's ALL some of you guys will talk about anymore. It's making Chiefs talk on this site boring as hell to read.

[RealSNR]

Oh, look a thread about the Chiefs' front office changes they're considering to try and make the overall fan experience better. Nothing to do with the players, the draft, or anything like that. I wonder...

Yep. Completely overrun with Alex vs. Geno BS like very other thread. Not sure why I even consider this place worth reading for Chiefs news anymore.

You seem upset.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

The Alex Smith move is ONLY bad if they commit to him as a long-term QB. And we don't know that yet. If it's a short-term move and it helps get the Chiefs winning games again, then I don't care about trade comp.

Okay, if they wanted Alex, so be it. But SNR is right and Marcellus is WAY wrong. NO ONE was "clamoring" for Alex fucking Smith, so lets put that bullshit to rest RIGHT now. That said, I'm pretty much over the "do it just to do it"-trip because as much as I like Geno, I can acknowledge the fact that we're at least two years with Alice, and there very well could be a better guy down the road. AND, I have faith based on, and in spite of, even fatboy's stupid man-crush track-record, that they WILL pull the trigger when that guy hits. These guys, Dorsey in particular, are NOT goddamned fools or egomaniacs. Passionate, yes. Peeholis, no. In the end, I trust John Dorsey to build a kick-ass team, and I trust Reid to either fail or succeed COACHING it. Period. If Reid fails, he can go. But we need to ride with Dorsey for at least five years. I don't know how instrumental he was in GB, but if even HALF the talent acquisitions they made have his stamp on them, we are good to fucking GO.
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[penbrook]

Okay, if they wanted Alex, so be it. But SNR is right and Marcellus is WAY wrong. NO ONE was "clamoring" for Alex ****ing Smith, so lets put that bullshit to rest RIGHT now. That said, I'm pretty much over the "do it just to do it"-trip because as much as I like Geno, I can acknowledge the fact that we're at least two years with Alice, and there very well could be a better guy down the road. AND, I have faith based on, and in spite of, even fatboy's stupid man-crush track-record, that they WILL pull the trigger when that guy hits. These guys, Dorsey in particular, are NOT goddamned fools or egomaniacs. Passionate, yes. Peeholis, no. In the end, I trust John Dorsey to build a kick-ass team, and I trust Reid to either fail or succeed COACHING it. Period. If Reid fails, he can go. But we need to ride with Dorsey for at least five years. I don't know how instrumental he was in GB, but if even HALF the talent acquisitions they made have his stamp on them, we are good to ****ing GO.
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Geno to KC will is alive and well and cime draft day the Choco Penii will be ours.

[lcarus]

My point is just that's ALL some of you guys will talk about anymore. It's making Chiefs talk on this site boring as hell to read.

I'm hoping when draft day arrives the football talk will come back in full force.

[Rasputin]

We have suffered through a 6 season stretch that has given us 4 top five picks and after the 2013 draft, we STILL won't have drafted a quarterback.The team just had the worst season in franchise history and we are supposed to be excited about season tickets being harder to sell if the team is terrible again?

Calm down, everyone...your cell phones will work at the stadium now!!!


Woohoo

I'm not gonna act excited about things till there is something to be excited for and it looks like that may be awhile.

This part makes my head spin. It's bad enough we go 30 years with out a first round quarterback, but being in the top 5 picks four out of the last 6 years with out picking a fucking quarterback is just mind blowing.

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[Easy 6]

Hunt gets it. Good on Clark.

I agree.

The continuing Clark hate, or at this point maybe derision is a better word, is played out.

Yes, winning is the only stat that truly matters in the end, but those who say he's not trying, not swinging for the fence every chance he gets... are plain old wrong.

He cares, he listens and he takes drastic actions... i'm sure the changes listed here are just the beginning.

I'll never forget the pic of him pulling up at Arrowhead with Reid in the passenger seat, he looked like the biggest nerd in high school pulling up at prom with the hottest chick in town in tow, beaming from ear to ear... i couldnt be happier that he's our owner.

[J Diddy]

This part makes my head spin. It's bad enough we go 30 years with out a first round quarterback, but being in the top 5 picks four out of the last 6 years with out picking a ****ing quarterback is just mind blowing.



people shouldn't post animated pics without some tags to make them go away.

[boogblaster]

the ride is rough .....

[TEX]

**** SCOTT ***** and EVERYTHING that is the "Patriot Way!" He was the worst Front Office hire the NFL has seen since Matt Millen, and it's debateable who was worse.

[Hammock Parties]

I agree.

The continuing Clark hate, or at this point maybe derision is a better word, is played out.

Yes, winning is the only stat that truly matters in the end, but those who say he's not trying, not swinging for the fence every chance he gets... are plain old wrong.

He cares, he listens and he takes drastic actions... i'm sure the changes listed here are just the beginning.

I'll never forget the pic of him pulling up at Arrowhead with Reid in the passenger seat, he looked like the biggest nerd in high school pulling up at prom with the hottest chick in town in tow, beaming from ear to ear... i couldnt be happier that he's our owner.

If we don't have a 1st round QB or a playoff win in the next five years, Clark Hunt needs to turn the reins over to someone else.

We need an owner with some balls who will demand a 1st round QB.

[Easy 6]

If we don't have a 1st round QB or a playoff win in the next five years, Clark Hunt needs to turn the reins over to someone else.

We need an owner with some balls who will demand a 1st round QB.

In all sincerity, i'd bet my membership here that one or both of those happens looong before we hit the five year mark.

[chiefzilla1501]

If we don't have a 1st round QB or a playoff win in the next five years, Clark Hunt needs to turn the reins over to someone else.

We need an owner with some balls who will demand a 1st round QB.

Given the kind of QB class we have this year, I don't think it's a terrible thing if we get a 2A pick and use that pick on a QB. Is it optimal? No. But it's very possible that Dorsey and/or Reid really like a QB in this area and know they can wait to get him.

[BlackHelicopters]

Is winning games part of the changes at Camarohead?

[OnTheWarpath15]

If we don't have a 1st round QB or a playoff win in the next five years, Clark Hunt needs to turn the reins over to someone else.

We need an owner with some balls who will demand a 1st round QB.

In all honesty, that should have been the case when you-know-who was hired.

Funny how the guy makes this huge production out of wanting to draft and develop a franchise QB, then hires guys who piss away the two most valuable R2 picks in franchise history on game managers.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Is winning playoff games part of the changes at Camarohead?

FYP.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Seems like we've said this every year.

Quick edit, MotherfuckerJones.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Seems like we've said this every year.

Quick edit, Mother****erJones.

I posted in the wrong thread accidentally

[Rasputin]

In all honesty, that should have been the case when you-know-who was hired.

Funny how the guy makes this huge production out of wanting to draft and develop a franchise QB, then hires guys who piss away the two most valuable R2 picks in franchise history on game managers.

That is my fLustration with Clark. I remembered him talking he wants to build the team through the draft and yet he fails to draft us a QBotf to do so. Full of bull shit talk.

[Chiefaholic]

That is my fLustration with Clark. I remembered him talking he wants to build the team through the draft and yet he fails to draft us a QBotf to do so. Full of bull shit talk.

Just curious... Let's pretend Dorsey doesn't trade the 1.1 and takes Geno with that pick. Take it another step and Geno turns out to be the next Ryan Leaf (only with less predraft hype). Will this particular crowd back Dorsey for taking a high risk on a QB who most experts think is a 2nd round prospect?

[chiefzilla1501]

Just curious... Let's pretend Dorsey doesn't trade the 1.1 and takes Geno with that pick. Take it another step and Geno turns out to be the next Ryan Leaf (only with less predraft hype). Will this particular crowd back Dorsey for taking a high risk on a QB who most experts think is a 2nd round prospect?

If we whiff on a 1.1 QB, we're in the same boat as if we get a good LT at 1.1. A non-Super Bowl team. I think most of us know that. So yes, it's acceptable to whiff on a 1.1 QB.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Just curious... Let's pretend Dorsey doesn't trade the 1.1 and takes Geno with that pick. Take it another step and Geno turns out to be the next Ryan Leaf (only with less predraft hype). Will this particular crowd back Dorsey for taking a high risk on a QB who most experts think is a 2nd round prospect?

Yes. Every fucking time, and twice on Sunday.
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[penbrook]

Yes. Every ****ing time, and twice on Sunday.
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I would support Dorsey because he showed he has balls and doesnt let care what anybody says.

[penbrook]

qbs that go #1 dont have to start right away.

Carson Palmer didnt start till about half into his rookie season and Jamarcus Russell only played the last two games of his rookie season.

[Chiefaholic]

I would support Dorsey because he showed he has balls and doesnt let care what anybody says.

I guaran-damn-tee you Dorsey doesn't give a **** what the draft pundits think. If he sees Geno as the best athlete in the draft, he'll draft him. Personally, I see a great athlete with flaws that need adjusted before giving him the reins to an NFL franchise. A trade down, followed by drafting Geno would be my preference.

[penbrook]

I guaran-damn-tee you Dorsey doesn't give a **** what the draft pundits think. If he sees Geno as the best athlete in the draft, he'll draft him. Personally, I see a great athlete with flaws that need adjusted before giving him the reins to an NFL franchise. A trade down, followed by drafting Geno would be my preference.

I would trade with the Eagles. Eagles want a OT.

We trade down and draft Geno. Reid is the QB miracle worker so you never know.

[penbrook]

Per Daniel Jeremiah

If you enjoy a long pause during a phone call, ask any NFL executive to predict when Geno Smith is going to get drafted.*#NoClue

[DTLB58]

Clark should do this:

@darrenrovell: Packers join pack by putting fans on tickets this year http://t.co/o7pSfLBRhm