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ct
05-01-2013, 10:21 AM
Chiefs acquired FB Anthony Sherman from the Chiefs...er Cardinals.
New Cards head coach Bruce Arians has no room for plodding fullbacks in his aggressive, vertical offense. So Sherman heads to Andy Reid's West Coast scheme as Jamaal Charles' lead blocker. The 2011 fifth-rounder graded out 20th among 25 qualifying fullbacks in Pro Football Focus' rankings last season. May 1 - 12:11 PM

WTF?

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6650/anthony-sherman

loochy
05-01-2013, 10:23 AM
Chiefs acquired FB Anthony Sherman from the Chiefs.
New Cards head coach Bruce Arians has no room for plodding fullbacks in his aggressive, vertical offense. So Sherman heads to Andy Reid's West Coast scheme as Jamaal Charles' lead blocker. The 2011 fifth-rounder graded out 20th among 25 qualifying fullbacks in Pro Football Focus' rankings last season. May 1 - 12:11 PM

WTF?


Awesome. We acquired a FB from ourselves. That should cost us nothing, right?

ct
05-01-2013, 10:23 AM
LOL, didn't even see they typo on rotoworld. acquired from arizona

LiL stumppy
05-01-2013, 10:24 AM
We are so cool we trade with ourselves

Easy 6
05-01-2013, 10:24 AM
Welp, theres certainly no shortage of fullbacks on the roster... who will be the Chiefs Jon Ritchie?

ChiefGator
05-01-2013, 10:25 AM
Awesome. We acquired a FB from ourselves. That should cost us nothing, right?

We exchanged several draft picks with ourselves for him.

Chiefspants
05-01-2013, 10:25 AM
We are so cool we trade with ourselves

And still somehow lost picks in the deal.

Fish
05-01-2013, 10:25 AM
Awesome. We acquired a FB from ourselves. That should cost us nothing, right?

Knowing the Chiefs, they likely still had to give up a draft pick....

threebag
05-01-2013, 10:25 AM
We are so cool we trade with ourselves

And still got fucked

SPchief
05-01-2013, 10:27 AM
This place is gonna explode when they found out we gave up a 2nd for him

ILChief
05-01-2013, 10:27 AM
According to PFF, he's the Branden Albert of fullbacks

In58men
05-01-2013, 10:28 AM
You don't make a SuperBowl team through full backs lol.

loochy
05-01-2013, 10:30 AM
You don't make a SuperBowl team through full backs lol.

The Chiefs don't make a Superbowl team through anything, so why not have more fullbacks to help them to an 8-8 record?

Mr. Laz
05-01-2013, 10:30 AM
"STs Captain in just his 2nd year"

Iowanian
05-01-2013, 10:30 AM
Isn't that 5 Full backs on the roster?

Must be running the double wishbone

Mr. Laz
05-01-2013, 10:31 AM
better not be more than a 6th

siberian khatru
05-01-2013, 10:33 AM
Knowing the Chiefs, they likely still had to give up a draft pick....

Meh, we'll just trade Albert to recoup it/ chiefsmath

mcaj22
05-01-2013, 10:34 AM
LOL christ

chiefzilla1501
05-01-2013, 10:35 AM
You don't make a SuperBowl team through full backs lol.

Andy Reid loves fullback and runningout of I formation. ASurprising seeing how he doesn't run the ball much. Leonard weaver was a pro bowler under his watch.

I don't know anything about this guy. But iI doubt anyone on the roster last year will be competing for a roster spot at fullback. I bet it's Braden Wilson's job to lose. He is basically the same player as Owen Schmitt, who I believe played about 20 percent of snaps for the iggles last year.

RealSNR
05-01-2013, 10:35 AM
"STs Captain in just his 2nd year"

There ya go.

If this player is a request from Dave Toub, I have no problem with it provided it wasn't anything more than a 6th rounder. I'm putting my trust in that guy. He's a fucking genius when it comes to special teams.

ILChief
05-01-2013, 10:36 AM
There ya go.

If this player is a request from Dave Toub, I have no problem with it provided it wasn't anything more than a 6th rounder. I'm putting my trust in that guy. He's a fucking genius when it comes to special teams.

Good point. Could be a ST move

chiefzilla1501
05-01-2013, 10:36 AM
Also can we change the thread title. It doesn't sound like this was a trade

silver5liter
05-01-2013, 10:36 AM
Rumor is that we may have given them Javier arenas. Wtf

mcaj22
05-01-2013, 10:37 AM
LOL IF WE GAVE THEM JAVIER ARENAS I WILL FUCKING PISS

ChiefaRoo
05-01-2013, 10:38 AM
Two Tight End sets. Two Fullbacks with Charles in a Power wing formation. Hut hut, ball is snapped..handed to Jamal.. right up Hudsons ass for a gain of 2.2yds.

RealSNR
05-01-2013, 10:38 AM
Rumor is that we may have given them Javier arenas. Wtf

THAT is too goddamn expensive :banghead:

ptlyon
05-01-2013, 10:39 AM
LOL IF WE GAVE THEM JAVIER ARENAS I WILL ****ING PISS

So will the Arrowhead announcer

mcaj22
05-01-2013, 10:40 AM
that's gotta be a joke. i refuse to believe that

gblowfish
05-01-2013, 10:40 AM
Two Tight End sets. Two Fullbacks with Charles in a Power wing formation. Hut hut, ball is snapped..handed to Jamal.. right up Hudsons ass for a gain of 2.2yds.

We could have used that on first and goal VS. Baltimore last year....

ILChief
05-01-2013, 10:40 AM
Wait, I thought CP hated Arenas

HemiEd
05-01-2013, 10:41 AM
Isn't that 5 Full backs on the roster?

Must be running the double wishbone

Marv Levy approves of this.

-King-
05-01-2013, 10:41 AM
Seriously?
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ChiefaRoo
05-01-2013, 10:42 AM
We could have used that on first and goal VS. Baltimore last year....

I don't remember. I just deleted last year from my memory. It never happened.

HemiEd
05-01-2013, 10:42 AM
Rumor is that we may have given them Javier arenas. Wtf
Well wasn't he a second round pick? It makes perfect sense!

tk13
05-01-2013, 10:43 AM
Anything more than a 1st and a 3rd and I will turn against Reid and Dorsey.
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Buehler445
05-01-2013, 10:44 AM
Wait, I thought CP hated Arenas

I don't. He's OK at nickel. And the fact remains that we have a whole lot of not a damn thing at CB.

RealSNR
05-01-2013, 10:44 AM
Wait, I thought CP hated Arenas
As a starting CB, and also as a player that we drafted in the 2nd round when some really incredible talent was still available.

But since we got him on the roster, he serves a purpose as CB depth, which is way more valuable than having ANOTHER goddamn FB on this freakin' roster.

Mr. Laz
05-01-2013, 10:45 AM
it better be Jalil Brown, not Arenas.

mcaj22
05-01-2013, 10:45 AM
uhh when he slid into CB2 last year for Stanford Routt he played a lot ****ing better than what all you Stanford Routt homers expected out of Routt himself.

he's just slow and cant return kicks or punts

Direckshun
05-01-2013, 10:46 AM
Rumor is that we may have given them Javier arenas. Wtf

I will flip my fucking shit.

Direckshun
05-01-2013, 10:47 AM
uhh when he slid into CB2 last year for Stanford Routt he played a lot ****ing better than what all you Stanford Routt homers expected out of Routt himself.

he's just slow and cant return kicks or punts

Arenas is actually a Top 10 punt returner, is he not?

And you're dead-right about him excelling as a starting corner last year.

chiefzilla1501
05-01-2013, 10:47 AM
Don't really care about trading for a fullback and special teams ace. A better fit for Reid than Braden Wilson, who can block but can't catch or run.

But if true, it makes the Braden Wilson pick in the 6th a complete waste.

Mr. Laz
05-01-2013, 10:47 AM
uhh when he slid into CB2 last year for Stanford Routt he played a lot ****ing better than what all you Stanford Routt homers expected out of Routt himself.

he's just slow and cant return kicks or punts
he's not terrible at returns ... he's just not going to break one for 40.

He'll get you the 15 or whatever


our blocking on ST sucked ass

hometeam
05-01-2013, 10:50 AM
FB for decent Nickel? Par for the course.

the Talking Can
05-01-2013, 10:51 AM
the team that couldn't manage to trade a starting LT has traded for a fb?


i'll assume this is a joke

The Franchise
05-01-2013, 10:53 AM
Please tell me we didn't give up Arenas.

ct
05-01-2013, 10:57 AM
@caplannfl: Chiefs HC Andy Reid uses a FB in his version of the WCO. Sherman was a fifth-round pick in 2011. (cont) http://t.co/hq9qJdiCIv

Seriously mystified here...

MotherfuckerJones
05-01-2013, 10:57 AM
Arenas sucks. We can find someone as good for depth.

The Franchise
05-01-2013, 10:58 AM
We will have traded Tony Gonzales for a FB. Awesome.

mcaj22
05-01-2013, 10:58 AM
Arenas is worth way more than some slapdick FB

AndChiefs
05-01-2013, 11:02 AM
Arenas is worth way more than some slapdick FB

FB plus pick perhaps?

-King-
05-01-2013, 11:03 AM
In a passing league we trade a corner for a fullback. Great.
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ct
05-01-2013, 11:04 AM
caplann does say rumor cards asking for a CB, and perhaps arenas. well, perhaps its menzie, cause zona does NOT need a return man, and just drafted honey bitch to groom as NB. or maybe we get something back in return? trying to make this not so WTF in my head right now.

morphius
05-01-2013, 11:04 AM
I'd be pretty shocked if it is anything other than a conditional draft pick.

The Franchise
05-01-2013, 11:04 AM
caplann does say rumor cards asking for a CB, and perhaps arenas. well, perhaps its menzie, cause zona does NOT need a return man, and just drafted honey bitch to groom as NB. or maybe we get something back in return? trying to make this not so WTF in my head right now.

Honey bitch is playing FS.

mcaj22
05-01-2013, 11:04 AM
i hope to god its that smelly turd Jalil Brown

-King-
05-01-2013, 11:04 AM
Arenas is actually a Top 10 punt returner, is he not?

And you're dead-right about him excelling as a starting corner last year.

Yes. He was top 5 even I think. Always gets good yards on punt returns.
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GoChargers
05-01-2013, 11:06 AM
Ouch. Bad trade no matter what you gave up because there's no way you need five fullbacks on your roster, especially when so many teams have stopped carrying fullbacks at all.

Easy 6
05-01-2013, 11:06 AM
Arenas is worth way more than some slapdick FB

.

chiefzilla1501
05-01-2013, 11:08 AM
Arenas is worth way more than some slapdick FB

I like arenas, but now we have flowers, Sean smith, Dunta, Daniels, Commings, and menzie. Some may compete at safety. Arenas is fairly expendable. Don't know who returns kicks but am confident toub weighed in on this.

-King-
05-01-2013, 11:12 AM
I like arenas, but now we have flowers, Sean smith, Dunta, Daniels, Commings, and menzie. Some may compete at safety. Arenas is fairly expendable. Don't know who returns kicks but am confident toub weighed in on this.

In a passing league would you rather have an abundance of CBs or FBs?
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mcaj22
05-01-2013, 11:12 AM
I like arenas, but now we have flowers, Sean smith, Dunta, Daniels, Commings, and menzie. Some may compete at safety. Arenas is fairly expendable. Don't know who returns kicks but am confident toub weighed in on this.

Arenas maybe expendable but you dont give him away for a FUCKING FB. Especially when you already bringing 4 FBs into camp and just wasted a 6th round pick on one in the draft lol

BigCatDaddy
05-01-2013, 11:12 AM
I like arenas, but now we have flowers, Sean smith, Dunta, Daniels, Commings, and menzie. Some may compete at safety. Arenas is fairly expendable. Don't know who returns kicks but am confident toub weighed in on this.

Just because you have a surplus doesn't mean you give shit away. How are you related to Reid or Dorsey?

WhawhaWhat
05-01-2013, 11:14 AM
Arenas maybe expendable but you dont give him away for a ****ING FB. Especially when you already bringing 4 FBs into camp and just wasted a 6th round pick on one in the draft lol

So if they just released him instead, you would have been happier?

silver5liter
05-01-2013, 11:14 AM
I dont care how much you hate arenas. Hes a decent return guy and actually made some strides towards the end of last year. I just dont see the value in flipping him for a FB if this is true.

Kylo Ren
05-01-2013, 11:15 AM
Chiefs acquired FB Anthony Sherman from the Chiefs.
New Cards head coach Bruce Arians has no room for plodding fullbacks in his aggressive, vertical offense. So Sherman heads to Andy Reid's West Coast scheme as Jamaal Charles' lead blocker. The 2011 fifth-rounder graded out 20th among 25 qualifying fullbacks in Pro Football Focus' rankings last season. May 1 - 12:11 PM

WTF?

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6650/anthony-sherman

This answers everything......

Chiefs | Anthony Sherman acquired (http://www.kffl.com/team/21/gnews.php?id=851239-chiefs---anthony-sherman-acquired)
Wed, 01 May 2013 09:34:00 -0700
The Kansas City Chiefs (http://www.kffl.com/team/21/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs) acquired FB Anthony Sherman (http://www.kffl.com/player/24242/nfl/anthony-sherman) from the Arizona Cardinals (http://www.kffl.com/team/6/nfl/arizona-cardinals) for an undisclosed package.
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Chiefs | Expected to acquire Anthony Sherman (http://www.kffl.com/team/21/gnews.php?id=851235-chiefs---expected-to-acquire-anthony-sherman)
Wed, 01 May 2013 09:17:09 -0700
The Kansas City Chiefs (http://www.kffl.com/team/21/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs) are expected to trade for Arizona Cardinals (http://www.kffl.com/team/6/nfl/arizona-cardinals) FB Anthony Sherman (http://www.kffl.com/player/24242/nfl/anthony-sherman).

.........an undisclosed "package"! What could that be? I hope it's no more than a box of donuts!<!--Comment () (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/gnews.php?id=851235-chiefs---expected-to-acquire-anthony-sherman) | -->

BigCatDaddy
05-01-2013, 11:17 AM
So if they just released him instead, you would have been happier?

I HIGHLY doubt that was the only other option, but nice straw man.

The Franchise
05-01-2013, 11:18 AM
Maybe they traded Albert. :facepalm:

Mr. Laz
05-01-2013, 11:20 AM
Arenas was overdrafted ... he should have been a 5th round pick instead of a 2nd.

but now that he is on the team he brings value to the roster.

Hard-nosed football guy
low maintenance
no drama
relatively cheap
solid coverage guy as long as you don't put him on a burner
solid return guy who can get the consistent yards even though he won't break long ones much
imo he can probably play ANY position in the secondary in a pinch
can step in to block the gunner or whatever else you need

solid rank and file type guy ... don't know why we would flush him away instead of jalil brown etc


hopefully rumors are wrong because this would be the 2nd trade that Dorsey got ****ed in the short time since he's been a Chief.

Just Passin' By
05-01-2013, 11:21 AM
...
.........an undisclosed "package"! What could that be? I hope it's no more than a box of donuts!<!--Comment () (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/gnews.php?id=851235-chiefs---expected-to-acquire-anthony-sherman) | -->

Maybe it's for one of the NHL cupcake promotional packages

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=HA.209473176104&pid=15.1

nychief
05-01-2013, 11:23 AM
hmmm.... can't imagine we'd jettison Arenas at this point in the off season, unless he is injured. But, nothing surprises me.

Odd we JUST drafted a battering ram, only to pick up another one.

Fritz88
05-01-2013, 11:23 AM
Expecting that we overpaid and got raped in this trade.
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BigCatDaddy
05-01-2013, 11:25 AM
hmmm.... can't imagine we'd jettison Arenas at this point in the off season, unless he is injured. But, nothing surprises me.

Odd we JUST drafted a battering ram, only to pick up another one.

You can never have enough depth at FB.

Mr. Laz
05-01-2013, 11:26 AM
OMAR EASY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Molitoth
05-01-2013, 11:26 AM
Expecting that we overpaid and got raped in this trade.
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Chiefs fans will justify it.

ChiefsCountry
05-01-2013, 11:27 AM
I really don't get the Arenas and Brown hate. They are what they are. Arenas can be a serviceable nickel and Brown is pretty good gunner on special teams. Pioli is the dipshit you made them get on the field for defense, that's where the hate should go.

nychief
05-01-2013, 11:28 AM
Chiefs fans will justify it.

oh fuck off, would you?

Cannibal
05-01-2013, 11:28 AM
Wish we could get Kimble Anders reicarnate.

Molitoth
05-01-2013, 11:29 AM
oh **** off, would you?

No need to be rude, just stating the truth.

ptlyon
05-01-2013, 11:30 AM
Wish we could get Kimble Anders reicarnate.

WTF you talkin bout, Tony Richardson!

Mr. Laz
05-01-2013, 11:30 AM
No need to be rude, just stating the truth.
you started the rude, so you should expect it back

Bowser
05-01-2013, 11:30 AM
This makes as much sense as that time we drafted Kris Wilson in the second round.

Cannibal
05-01-2013, 11:31 AM
WTF you talkin bout, Tony Richardson!

Loved him too. But Anders would excel as a receiver in this offense!

nychief
05-01-2013, 11:34 AM
No need to be rude, just stating the truth.

Sorry... it is just boring...polarizing rhetorical device. It frustrates me. that being said, don't think anybody is pounding their chest over this nonmove.

ShowtimeSBMVP
05-01-2013, 11:36 AM
Kent Somers ‏@kentsomers 4m

Source confirms #azcardinals receive CB Javier Arenas from KC. Arenas, Sherman must pass physicals

Mr. Laz
05-01-2013, 11:37 AM
Kent Somers ‏@kentsomers 4m

Source confirms #azcardinals receive CB Javier Arenas from KC. Arenas, Sherman must pass physicals
holy fucking shit



Fuck you, Dorsey ... you dumbass POS

Buehler445
05-01-2013, 11:38 AM
God I hope we got picks back.

ct
05-01-2013, 11:39 AM
Javier Arenas (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5753/javier-arenas) - DB - Cardinals (http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/clubhouse/nfl/arz/cardinals)
Cardinals acquired CB Javier Arenas from the Chiefs in exchange for FB Anthony Sherman.

damnit man! not in your plans, fine, but geezus dont give him away!

Canofbier
05-01-2013, 11:39 AM
I'm hoping that there's more to this trade, because otherwise we got royally screwed.

Bootlegged
05-01-2013, 11:40 AM
Trading a 5th CB for a Special Teams ace / Starting FB.

I like it.


Flowers
Smith
Robinson
Commings (CB/S/Nickel)
Arenas (who gives a shit - bye)

Mr. Laz
05-01-2013, 11:40 AM
Reid/Dorsey suck at trading and should just stop

Fish
05-01-2013, 11:40 AM
Dammit John!

:cuss:

nychief
05-01-2013, 11:40 AM
what is the money difference?

Honey Badger and the Dead Turtle in the same D.

Buehler445
05-01-2013, 11:41 AM
God I hope we got picks back.

It bears repeating....

siberian khatru
05-01-2013, 11:42 AM
What is this obsession with fullbacks? It's like hanging on to your VHS collection.

BlackHelicopters
05-01-2013, 11:42 AM
Awesome. We acquired a FB from ourselves. That should cost us nothing, right?

We also we acquired Jeff Blackshear in the same transaction.

Mr. Laz
05-01-2013, 11:42 AM
Trading a 5th CB for a Special Teams ace / Starting FB.

I like it.


Flowers
Smith
Robinson
Commings (CB/S/Nickel)
Arenas (who gives a shit - bye)
your an idiot


when something goes wrong with Robinson and we have to run Jalil Brown out there again, i want you to remember this post and walk out into oncoming traffic on the nearest highway.

The Franchise
05-01-2013, 11:43 AM
:facepalm:

Jesus Christ...

Strongside
05-01-2013, 11:45 AM
Don't care about the trade. Just glad Arenas is gone. Guy contributed nothing. Sure, he had decent PR yardage averages...how many TD's did he score? Oh yeah...none.

His coverage was God-awful for the most part.

Bye.

ShowtimeSBMVP
05-01-2013, 11:46 AM
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 25s

Arenas agent Hadley Engelhard: "This is a trade based on KC's acquisitions at CB, we were actively pursuing. We're happy it's to Cardinals."



Arenas didn't wanna be here

nychief
05-01-2013, 11:47 AM
don't forget about Menzie...

WhawhaWhat
05-01-2013, 11:48 AM
I HIGHLY doubt that was the only other option, but nice straw man.

If they had a better option right now than trading for a fullback, don't you think they would have taken it?

Straw man my ass.

Strongside
05-01-2013, 11:48 AM
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 25s

Arenas agent Hadley Engelhard: "This is a trade based on KC's acquisitions at CB, we were actively pursuing. We're happy it's to Cardinals."



Arenas didn't wanna be here

Good. Peace, homes.

ShowtimeSBMVP
05-01-2013, 11:49 AM
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 12s

Had always heard #Chiefs GM John Dorsey likes taller corners. Look at FA (Sean Smith), draft (Sanders Commings) & Arenas trade for proof

ILChief
05-01-2013, 11:51 AM
Nice pick, Pioli

Now I'm sure the Internet gm's will say arenas is awesome

keg in kc
05-01-2013, 11:51 AM
Always good to get something for nothing, even if it's a FB. And by 'nothing' I mean a trade instead of just releasing him.

Cannibal
05-01-2013, 11:51 AM
Arenas is actually a Top 10 punt returner, is he not?

And you're dead-right about him excelling as a starting corner last year.

Arenas is overrated as a punt returner.

The only reason he'd be in the top 10 is because he's consistent and doesn't lose yards. However, he never breaks anything open either. He doesn't have many long returns either.

durtyrute
05-01-2013, 11:51 AM
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 12s

Had always heard #Chiefs GM John Dorsey likes taller corners. Look at FA (Sean Smith), draft (Sanders Commings) & Arenas trade for proof

I've always hated smaller corners....coincidence?

nychief
05-01-2013, 11:51 AM
Expect more of this.... we're going to see more and more Shithead Pioli's picks going away...

Strongside
05-01-2013, 11:52 AM
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 12s

Had always heard #Chiefs GM John Dorsey likes taller corners. Look at FA (Sean Smith), draft (Sanders Commings) & Arenas trade for proof

Too bad Reid said that Commings will play FS, Ian. Do your homework you idiotic fuck.

Dayze
05-01-2013, 11:52 AM
has no place in a vertical offense....so let's trade for him!

woo hoo. JFC. dude would've been cut anyway.

Mr. Laz
05-01-2013, 11:53 AM
I understand ... Dorsey is getting rid of every player acquired by Piioli.


but dam, don't just give shit away


we just drafted a fullback

Rukdafaidas
05-01-2013, 11:53 AM
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 12s

Had always heard #Chiefs GM John Dorsey likes taller corners. Look at FA (Sean Smith), draft (Sanders Commings) & Arenas trade for proof

I hope Dorsey doesn't find out how tall Flowers is. He might trade him for a long snapper.

ChiefsCountry
05-01-2013, 11:53 AM
has no place in a vertical offense....so let's trade for him!

woo hoo. JFC. dude would've been cut anyway.

You are talking about Alex Smith right. :p

Strongside
05-01-2013, 11:53 AM
[QUOTE=Dayze;9648785]has no place in a vertical offense....so let's trade for him!

woo hoo. JFC. dude would've been cut anyway.[/

It was just trading camp fodder for camp fodder. Arenas wasn't making this team. Period.

Guy is shit and always has been.

ShowtimeSBMVP
05-01-2013, 11:54 AM
Adam Teicher ‏@adamteicher 20s

Fans wondering why #Chiefs traded Arenas for a fullback. From the looks of this trade, Arenas wasn't going to make roster anyway

mcaj22
05-01-2013, 11:54 AM
lol wow

any person that justifies this trade is a complete homer moron

ILChief
05-01-2013, 11:54 AM
I understand ... Dorsey is getting rid of every player acquired by Piioli.


but dam, don't just give shit away


we just drafted a fullback

No one would give anything of substance for arenas

ILChief
05-01-2013, 11:55 AM
Adam Teicher ‏@adamteicher 20s

Fans wondering why #Chiefs traded Arenas for a fullback. From the looks of this trade, Arenas wasn't going to make roster anyway

There u go

Dayze
05-01-2013, 11:55 AM
[QUOTE=Dayze;9648785]has no place in a vertical offense....so let's trade for him!

woo hoo. JFC. dude would've been cut anyway.[/

It was just trading camp fodder for camp fodder. Arenas wasn't making this team. Period.

Guy is shit and always has been.

I"m not so much pro-Arenas; I'm more concerned we traded for a guy that would most likely would've been cut if he was truly not going to be a part of a vertical offense etc.

sort of like Smith - who would've in all likelihood been cut due to his salary.

Strongside
05-01-2013, 11:55 AM
Adam Teicher ‏@adamteicher 20s

Fans wondering why #Chiefs traded Arenas for a fullback. From the looks of this trade, Arenas wasn't going to make roster anyway

And there it is. Arenas=dogshit.

Therefore, equal value trade for Arenas=dogshit.

nychief
05-01-2013, 11:56 AM
lol wow

any person that justifies this trade is a complete homer moron


I think that silly... this is a minor trade.

ShowtimeSBMVP
05-01-2013, 11:56 AM
Arenas was a Free agent after this year. Chiefs save 350k with this move.

ILChief
05-01-2013, 11:56 AM
[QUOTE=Strongside;9648791]

I"m not so much pro-Arenas; I'm more concerned we traded for a guy that would most likely would've been cut if he was truly not going to be a part of a vertical offense etc.

sort of like Smith - who would've in all likelihood been cut due to his salary.

We traded a guy we were gonna cut for a guy they were gonna cut.

mcaj22
05-01-2013, 11:57 AM
can we sign Karlos Dansby or Richard Seymour with that 350k that Arenas frees up?

/CP

The Franchise
05-01-2013, 11:57 AM
Tony Gonzales for a FB everyone!

Mr. Laz
05-01-2013, 11:57 AM
There u go
so now Teicher is an expert


normally he's called an idiot

mcaj22
05-01-2013, 11:58 AM
where is Clay what was Javier Arenas's PFF numbers last year compared to Dunta and Sean Smith

we all know Anthony Sherman is a fucking terrible FB so we dont need those

ceebz
05-01-2013, 11:58 AM
And the hits just keep on coming.

seaofred
05-01-2013, 11:58 AM
[QUOTE=Strongside;9648791]

I"m not so much pro-Arenas; I'm more concerned we traded for a guy that would most likely would've been cut if he was truly not going to be a part of a vertical offense etc.

sort of like Smith - who would've in all likelihood been cut due to his salary.

This is incorrect. Smith's salary is garuanteed. The 9ers would have still been on the hook for it if they cut him.

The Franchise
05-01-2013, 11:58 AM
We now have the same number of FBs (5) as we do CBs (5) on this roster right now.

Strongside
05-01-2013, 11:58 AM
lol wow

any person that justifies this trade is a complete homer moron

JFC, dude. Arenas is horrible. He was not going to make the roster. Who would you have suggested we trade him for? This is obviously 2 teams that have shit players looking to unload them. We need camp fodder. They need depth as well. They swap players. Period. Equate it to the Guthrie for Sanchez trade. Two players that neither team want, so they agree to swap.

There is nothing to justify. Arenas is a bad player. This guy is probably a bad player too. Who ****ing cares?

Mr. Laz
05-01-2013, 11:58 AM
If Jalil Brown touched the field with a single toe this year, Dorsey should have jumper cables clamped to his junk with the motor running

WhawhaWhat
05-01-2013, 11:58 AM
so now Teicher is an expert


normally he's called an idiot

Usually by idiots though.

Dayze
05-01-2013, 11:59 AM
[QUOTE=Strongside;9648791]

I"m not so much pro-Arenas; I'm more concerned we traded for a guy that would most likely would've been cut if he was truly not going to be a part of a vertical offense etc.

sort of like Smith - who would've in all likelihood been cut due to his salary.

This is incorrect. Smith's salary is garuanteed. The 9ers would have still been on the hook for it if they cut him.

ah. ok. thanks.

Mr. Laz
05-01-2013, 11:59 AM
JFC, dude. Arenas is horrible. He was not going to make the roster. Who would you have suggested we trade him for? This is obviously 2 teams that have shit players looking to unload them. We need camp fodder. They need depth as well. They swap players. Period. Equate it to the Guthrie for Sanchez trade. Two players that neither team want, so they agree to swap.

There is nothing to justify. Arenas is a bad player. This guy is probably a bad player too. Who ****ing cares?
wrong,wrong and wrong

Strongside
05-01-2013, 12:00 PM
wrong,wrong and wrong

How so?

ptlyon
05-01-2013, 12:00 PM
ROFL Me thinks people are starting to figure out this regime is no different than the last.

Me included.

In58men
05-01-2013, 12:00 PM
Javier or this new FB will not be remotely close as to the outcome of next season. I could care less about this trade.

mcaj22
05-01-2013, 12:01 PM
JFC, dude. Arenas is horrible. He was not going to make the roster. Who would you have suggested we trade him for? This is obviously 2 teams that have shit players looking to unload them. We need camp fodder. They need depth as well. They swap players. Period. Equate it to the Guthrie for Sanchez trade. Two players that neither team want, so they agree to swap.

There is nothing to justify. Arenas is a bad player. This guy is probably a bad player too. Who ****ing cares?

No

a bad player is Jalil Brown.

Javier Arenas is a good role player, can start in a pinch and can do a lot of things on defense and special teams if needed.

BigCatDaddy
05-01-2013, 12:02 PM
If they had a better option right now than trading for a fullback, don't you think they would have taken it?

Straw man my ass.

You mean the same guys that gave up a 2nd and third for Alice?

WhawhaWhat
05-01-2013, 12:02 PM
Javier or this new FB will not be remotely close as to the outcome of next season. I could care less about this trade.

Yeah but Javier Areans is on our team so he's automatically worth at least a 2nd round pick plus their best player because we love him. Yay!!!!

ceebz
05-01-2013, 12:02 PM
Now Arenas was horrible? The guy wasn't a number 2, but I always felt he was a solid nickel guy.

You know who sucks? Dunta Robinson.

nychief
05-01-2013, 12:02 PM
wrong,wrong and wrong

how? come on guys... this is nothing to see here. JA was a sloooow CB...a tire fire out there. Would you have rather just cut him in August? The contrarian aspect of this board is childish sometimes.

mcaj22
05-01-2013, 12:03 PM
you know who is slower than Javier Arenas?

Dunta Robinson


Dunta Robinson is a shittier version of Javier Arenas. And we overpaid for those services

ShowtimeSBMVP
05-01-2013, 12:03 PM
Areans wont even make the Cards roster.

Strongside
05-01-2013, 12:03 PM
LMAO at everyone suddenly going blind to the fact that Javier Arenas has done NOTHING for this team in the past few years. Hoo-fucking-ray he averaged like 12 yards per PR. He also couldn't cover anyone. Ever.

We either pick up another player for him or we cut him for nothing. Those are the options. Sure, we could have used another position other than FB, but seriously...neither of these guys were going to contribute anyway.

Mr. Laz
05-01-2013, 12:03 PM
How so?
if you think that Arenas sucks then you didn't watch much Chiefs' football

nychief
05-01-2013, 12:04 PM
you know who is slower than Javier Arenas?

Dunta Robinson


Dunta Robinson is a shittier version of Javier Arenas. And we overpaid for those services


that is just untrue.

mcaj22
05-01-2013, 12:04 PM
while we are at it can we trade Tony Moeaki to the Flint Michigan Tropics for a washing machine?

WhawhaWhat
05-01-2013, 12:04 PM
You mean the same guys that gave up a 2nd and third for Alice?

Yes.

mcaj22
05-01-2013, 12:04 PM
that is just untrue.

that is VERY true on paper.

Javier Arenas on a 2-14 dog shit team still put up better numbers than Dunta Robinson did on a PLAYOFF team last season

ILChief
05-01-2013, 12:05 PM
so now Teicher is an expert


normally he's called an idiot

Everyone is called an idiot here

nychief
05-01-2013, 12:05 PM
if you think that Arenas sucks then you didn't watch much Chiefs' football

put down the pipe, Laz. suddenly you are a Javier Arenas cheerleader? LMAO

Mr. Laz
05-01-2013, 12:05 PM
how? come on guys... this is nothing to see here. JA was a sloooow CB...a tire fire out there. Would you have rather just cut him in August? The contrarian aspect of this board is childish sometimes.

you're just flat wrong


Arenas shouldn't be a starter but there many things he could do.

Bowser
05-01-2013, 12:06 PM
Don't care about the trade. Just glad Arenas is gone. Guy contributed nothing. Sure, he had decent PR yardage averages...how many TD's did he score? Oh yeah...none.

His coverage was God-awful for the most part.

Bye.

TODD HALEY AND HIS WILDCAT FORMATION SAYS TO EAT HIS ASS

seaofred
05-01-2013, 12:06 PM
This is not a bad trade, we traded a piece of crap for a piece of crap. Simple.

mcaj22
05-01-2013, 12:07 PM
wait til Clay sees this lol

Strongside
05-01-2013, 12:07 PM
if you think that Arenas sucks then you didn't watch much Chiefs' football

And if you think he's any good then you have been watching TOO MUCH Chiefs football. I can't even recall how many times I've screamed at Arenas through my TV screen for boneheaded, dumbass plays in coverage. He's soft in press, his footwork is horrid, his speed is sub-par and he's short as fuck. Was he the 2nd best option we had last year? Probably. Does that make him any good? FUCK NO! Our secondary was shit last year. We've improved. Move on.

Dude is no good.

Bowser
05-01-2013, 12:07 PM
Peeoli, you egotistical arrogant incompetent fucking nipple. Never head a draft for any team ever again.

Mr. Laz
05-01-2013, 12:07 PM
we just picked up the defensive version of Terrance Copper.

Brock
05-01-2013, 12:07 PM
No

a bad player is Jalil Brown.

Javier Arenas is a good role player, can start in a pinch and can do a lot of things on defense and special teams if needed.

Better than shitty isn't good.

ShowtimeSBMVP
05-01-2013, 12:07 PM
This is not a bad trade, we traded a piece of crap for a piece of crap. Simple.

Yup

mcaj22
05-01-2013, 12:08 PM
And if you think he's any good then you have been watching TOO MUCH Chiefs football. I can't even recall how many times I've screamed at Arenas through my TV screen for boneheaded, dumbass plays in coverage. He's soft in press, his footwork is horrid, his speed is sub-par and he's short as ****. Was he the 2nd best option we had last year? Probably. Does that make him any good? **** NO! Our secondary was shit last year. We've improved. Move on.

Dude is no good.

you are going to hate Dunta Robinson and Sean Smith then

nychief
05-01-2013, 12:08 PM
that is VERY true on paper.

Javier Arenas on a 2-14 dog shit team still put up better numbers than Dunta Robinson did on a PLAYOFF team last season

specious argument... also, your claim is that Daunta is slower than Javier. Which is horseshit...

I'm just saying of all the shit to get you panties in a bundle over...this ain't it.

Mr. Laz
05-01-2013, 12:09 PM
Better than shitty isn't good.
just wait ... If Jalil Brown has to play this year you are going to see the difference.

Strongside
05-01-2013, 12:09 PM
you are going to hate Dunta Robinson and Sean Smith then

We'll see. They're better than Arenas any day of the week, though. And to say otherwise is idiotic.

ILChief
05-01-2013, 12:10 PM
I think arenas got a sack once

Just Passin' By
05-01-2013, 12:10 PM
We'll see. They're better than Arenas any day of the week, though. And to say otherwise is idiotic.

So, you haven't seen Robinson play football in the past 2 years, then?

ShowtimeSBMVP
05-01-2013, 12:10 PM
just wait ... If Jalil Brown has to play this year you are going to see the difference.

Don't worry if the chiefs want Arenas they can get him when the Cards cut him in 4months.

nychief
05-01-2013, 12:10 PM
Arenas shouldn't be a starter but there many things he could do.

yeah he was great at watching guys run by him... blowing coverage...any number of things.

all we ever heard about this guy was that he was good at blitzing... and he still was just okay at that.

ILChief
05-01-2013, 12:11 PM
just wait ... If Jalil Brown has to play this year you are going to see the difference.

Jalil brown will probably be cut as well

salame
05-01-2013, 12:11 PM
https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/2404778958/image.jpg

mcaj22
05-01-2013, 12:11 PM
specious argument... also, your claim is that Daunta is slower than Javier. Which is horseshit...

I'm just saying of all the shit to get you panties in a bundle over...this ain't it.

Dunta Robinson shredded ligaments in his leg right off and has been a slow piece of shit ever since.

you act like its 2006 and he can still run a 4.4/4.5

Strongside
05-01-2013, 12:12 PM
So, you haven't seen Robinson play football in the past 2 years, then?

Yes. I have. Have you watched Arenas?

Just Passin' By
05-01-2013, 12:12 PM
I think arenas got a sack once

Arenas has 4 sacks in 3 seasons. Robinson has 5.5 sacks in 9 seasons. If you're going to bag on Arenas, that's not the area to look at.

Brock
05-01-2013, 12:12 PM
just wait ... If Jalil Brown has to play this year you are going to see the difference.

Jalil Brown shouldn't be here.

Strongside
05-01-2013, 12:12 PM
yeah he was great at watching guys run by him... blowing coverage...any number of things.

all we ever heard about this guy was that he was good at blitzing... and he still was just okay at that.

Thank you.

nychief
05-01-2013, 12:13 PM
Jalil brown will probably be cut as well

exactly. but the kept brown because he has some athletic ability.

I think it funny the cards are loading up on slow DB "playmakers" like Honey Badger and JA... good grief.

mcaj22
05-01-2013, 12:13 PM
We'll see. They're better than Arenas any day of the week, though. And to say otherwise is idiotic.

lol i heard this last year about Stanford Routt and how did that work out

Just Passin' By
05-01-2013, 12:13 PM
Yes. I have. Have you watched Arenas?

Yes, but you're either a liar about seeing Robinson play, or you don't know shit about football, because he's been brutal, which is why he was available.

ILChief
05-01-2013, 12:14 PM
Arenas has 4 sacks in 3 seasons. Robinson has 5.5 sacks in 9 seasons. If you're going to bag on Arenas, that's not the area to look at.

I'm not bagging on him as a pass rusher, just trying to remember any plays he actually made

mcaj22
05-01-2013, 12:15 PM
i laugh at the hypocrisy in people now shitting on Arenas but will be homers and defend Dunta Robinson, Sean Smith and sometimes even Jalil Brown (what the hell is wrong with you people?)

nychief
05-01-2013, 12:16 PM
besides we already have one slow nickle/safety guy from alabama on the roster... Menzie.

Just Passin' By
05-01-2013, 12:16 PM
I'm not bagging on him as a pass rusher, just trying to remember any plays he actually made

4 sacks, 21 passes defensed, and 2 picks in 3 seasons. The Chiefs didn't trade away gold here, but the alternative being Dunta Robinson shouldn't inspire any sense of confidence or feelings that there was a definite upgrade. Maybe Robinson can rebound, but he's been terrible for the past couple of years.

Sorter
05-01-2013, 12:17 PM
Yes, but you're either a liar about seeing Robinson play, or you don't know shit about football, because he's been brutal, which is why he was available.

People must forget about Dunta being raped by McCluster.

Strongside
05-01-2013, 12:17 PM
Yes, but you're either a liar about Robinson, or you don't know shit about football, because he's been brutal, which is why he was available.

I didn't say he's been good. I just said he's been better than Arenas. At what point did I talk about Robinson's play at all? If you could find that and quote me, that would be great. He's better than Arenas, as is Smith.

What are we debating here?

In58men
05-01-2013, 12:19 PM
@GhostOfLamar: Anyone know if the Chiefs Super Bowl odds went up after landing this fullback?


ROFL

WV
05-01-2013, 12:19 PM
I like arenas, but now we have flowers, Sean smith, Dunta, Daniels, Commings, and menzie. Some may compete at safety. Arenas is fairly expendable. Don't know who returns kicks but am confident toub weighed in on this.

Agreed, but the idea of trading him for a FB is more than a bit puzzling. They didn't have some LB depth we could have used instead???

mcaj22
05-01-2013, 12:20 PM
but hes not better than Arenas

hes older, hes slower, he cant cover, he has 1 leg, and he cost 5 million per.

there's a higher chance he could be Stanford Routt part II than anything close to a poor mans Brandon Carr, or whatever standard we want to set to just have a good fucking cover guy as CB on the other side.

It's the weakest part of the defense that will get picked on in a pass happy league all game and youll be screaming at your television all season

Just Passin' By
05-01-2013, 12:20 PM
I didn't say he's been good. I just said he's been better than Arenas. At what point did I talk about Robinson's play at all? If you could find that and quote me, that would be great. He's better than Arenas, as is Smith.

What are we debating here?

Given that you're claiming Robinson's been better than Arenas, you're bringing Robinson's play into the discussion.

And he's been horseshit for years.

ILChief
05-01-2013, 12:21 PM
@GhostOfLamar: Anyone know if the Chiefs Super Bowl odds went up after landing this fullback?


ROFL

About the same as it went down after dealing arenas

ShowtimeSBMVP
05-01-2013, 12:22 PM
but hes not better than Arenas

hes older, hes slower, he cant cover, he has 1 leg, and he cost 5 million per.

there's a higher chance he could be Stanford Routt part II than anything close to a poor mans Brandon Carr, or whatever standard we want to set to just have a good ****ing cover guy as CB on the other side.

It's the weakest part of the defense that will get picked on in a pass happy league all game and youll be screaming at your television all season


Robinson is making 2.7m this year not 5m

Brock
05-01-2013, 12:22 PM
The sooner we get rid of nearly every shitty patriot way pick, the better.

nychief
05-01-2013, 12:23 PM
I didn't say he's been good. I just said he's been better than Arenas. At what point did I talk about Robinson's play at all? If you could find that and quote me, that would be great. He's better than Arenas, as is Smith.

What are we debating here?



THIS THE BIGGEST MISTAKE IN THE HISTORY OF THE ORGANIZATION!!!! WE TRADED A SHITTY GUY FROM THE LAST REGIME WHO WAS NOT GOING TO MAKE THE TEAM FOR A SHITTY GUY FROM THE CARDINALS' LAST REGIME WHO WAS NOT GOING TO MAKE THEIR TEAM.

I KNOW MORE ABOUT FOOTBALL THAN YOU!

ALSO I HAVE A FETISH FOR SLOW NICKLE BACKS ON 2-14 TEAMS... HENCE MY SUBSCRIPTION TO "SLOW DB EROTIC MONTHLY."

Strongside
05-01-2013, 12:23 PM
Given that you're claiming Robinson's been better than Arenas, you're bringing Robinson's play into the discussion.

And he's been horseshit for years.

OK. Well I'm done discussing it. Agree to disagree. I haven't liked the guy since he put on the uniform. I just think his play is shit and gives us nothing. Maybe Robinson is a push, but I'm not going to get all up in arms over trading away a 4th string shitbag/overrated punt returner who's good at surviving tornadoes.

mcaj22
05-01-2013, 12:24 PM
Robinson is making 2.7m this year not 5m

so his 3/15 is backloaded to keep the cap low, still works out to 5 per if they insist on keeping him

which this move supports by giving away his positional competition only proves that

ILChief
05-01-2013, 12:24 PM
THIS THE BIGGEST MISTAKE IN THE HISTORY OF THE ORGANIZATION!!!! WE TRADED A SHITTY GUY FROM THE LAST REGIME WHO WAS NOT GOING TO MAKE THE TEAM FOR A SHITTY GUY FROM THE CARDINALS' LAST REGIME WHO WAS NOT GOING TO MAKE THEIR TEAM.

I KNOW MORE ABOUT FOOTBALL THAN YOU!

ALSO I HAVE A FETISH FOR SLOW NICKLE BACKS ON 2-14 TEAMS... HENCE MY SUBSCRIPTION TO "SLOW DB EROTIC MONTHLY."

This only trails taking blackledge over Marino and Grbac over gannon

ptlyon
05-01-2013, 12:24 PM
i laugh at the hypocrisy in people now shitting on Arenas but will be homers and defend Dunta Robinson, Sean Smith and sometimes even Jalil Brown (what the hell is wrong with you people?)

And I laugh at the hypocrisy that homers are laughing this off as "he was just a shitty Piloli pick anyway".

It's like Piloli is Bush and Dorsey is Obama.

ptlyon
05-01-2013, 12:25 PM
The sooner we get rid of nearly every shitty patriot way pick, the better.

LIKE THIS

Brock
05-01-2013, 12:25 PM
It's the weakest part of the defense that will get picked on in a pass happy league all game and youll be screaming at your television all season

Yep, we'll be clamoring for fuckin arenas then!

jimw51
05-01-2013, 12:25 PM
According to our experts the chiefs do nothing right

mcaj22
05-01-2013, 12:26 PM
Yep, we'll be clamoring for ****in arenas then!

"Carr and Arenas were much better than Smith and Robinson"

so yes, sounds about right

ShowtimeSBMVP
05-01-2013, 12:26 PM
so his 3/15 is backloaded to keep the cap low, still works out to 5 per if they insist on keeping him

which this move supports by giving away his positional competition only proves that

No the chiefs can cut him after this year. With no big cap him. Please look up his deal before you talk about it please.

mcaj22
05-01-2013, 12:27 PM
No the chiefs can cut him after this year. With no big cap him. Please look up his deal before you talk about it please.

why would they cut him? So Jalil Brown can play?

In58men
05-01-2013, 12:28 PM
"Carr and Arenas were much better than Smith and Robinson"

so yes, sounds about right

Move forward bro.

Brock
05-01-2013, 12:28 PM
"Carr and Arenas were much better than Smith and Robinson"

so yes, sounds about right

Carr? That ship sailed last year.

Nobody gives a fuck about arenas, sorry.

Strongside
05-01-2013, 12:28 PM
Yep, we'll be clamoring for ****in arenas then!

I can guarantee you...and I will bet you every dollar that I will make for the rest of my life...that of all the times one of our corners gets burned this year, you will NEVER...I repeat...NEVER...hear me say:

"Boy. Shucks. I sure wish we still had that brokedick Javier Arenas here to defend these fast, tall wide receivers. He would surely make a huge difference."

nychief
05-01-2013, 12:28 PM
I can't wait till Kendrick Lewis gets cut and this place EXPLODES!

ShowtimeSBMVP
05-01-2013, 12:28 PM
why would they cut him? So Jalil Brown can play?

This is really a 1 year deal with Robinson he will never see 5.6m in 2014. Everyone knows this.

Strongside
05-01-2013, 12:29 PM
I can't wait till Kendrick Lewis gets cut and this place EXPLODES!

BURN IT DOWWWWN!!!!

ShowtimeSBMVP
05-01-2013, 12:30 PM
"Carr and Arenas were much better than Smith and Robinson"

so yes, sounds about right

Didn't Smith have a better year last year then Carr?

Strongside
05-01-2013, 12:30 PM
Boy, It's a shame we cut Studebaker. We could have traded him to Arizona and gotten Javier back.

mcaj22
05-01-2013, 12:30 PM
This is really a 1 year deal with Robinson he will never see 5.6m in 2014. Everyone knows this.

i think you are giving this FO way more credit than they should be getting. I hope you are right, but I think these idiots are dumb enough to pay him that.

ILChief
05-01-2013, 12:30 PM
why would they cut him? So Jalil Brown can play?

If they cut him after this year, they will sign or draft a cb next year.

mcaj22
05-01-2013, 12:31 PM
Didn't Smith have a better year last year then Carr?

I think so yes.

Strongside
05-01-2013, 12:32 PM
Didn't Smith have a better year last year then Carr?

No that's impossible. He's horrible.

BigBeauford
05-01-2013, 12:34 PM
The issue people have with this trade, is in the heiarchy of obscure/limited positions in football, the Fb is right there with a longsnapper. Compared to a CB, who plays consistently on every defensive snap, just don't see the value regardless of how tall said corner is.

ct
05-01-2013, 12:37 PM
Agreed, but the idea of trading him for a FB is more than a bit puzzling. They didn't have some LB depth we could have used instead???

THIS

is all we're sayin here...

mcaj22
05-01-2013, 12:37 PM
the issue I have is the value of a hall of fame TE for a fucking FB

and you wonder why this team will never win anything

ShowtimeSBMVP
05-01-2013, 12:38 PM
the issue I have is the value of a hall of fame TE for a ****ing FB

and you wonder why this team will never win anything

Funny did Dorsey trade Tony? Did i miss this

Brock
05-01-2013, 12:39 PM
The issue people have with this trade, is in the heiarchy of obscure/limited positions in football, the Fb is right there with a longsnapper. Compared to a CB, who plays consistently on every defensive snap, just don't see the value regardless of how tall said corner is.

No, that is not the issue people are having with this trade. Read the thread.

ILChief
05-01-2013, 12:39 PM
The issue people have with this trade, is in the heiarchy of obscure/limited positions in football, the Fb is right there with a longsnapper. Compared to a CB, who plays consistently on every defensive snap, just don't see the value regardless of how tall said corner is.

The reason others don't care is that arenas is no good and wasnt making the team anyway

BigCatDaddy
05-01-2013, 12:40 PM
The issue people have with this trade, is in the heiarchy of obscure/limited positions in football, the Fb is right there with a longsnapper. Compared to a CB, who plays consistently on every defensive snap, just don't see the value regardless of how tall said corner is.

We also just sort of used a 6th round pick on one as well.

ILChief
05-01-2013, 12:40 PM
the issue I have is the value of a hall of fame TE for a fucking FB

and you wonder why this team will never win anything

So arenas should be kept around just because we traded tony for his pick?

the Talking Can
05-01-2013, 12:42 PM
there is no context in which a CB has the same value as a FB...i'd rather have a 6th round pick than a player who nullifies our actual 6th round pick

can we hire someone to do trades for the franchise?

warrior
05-01-2013, 12:43 PM
Arenas maybe expendable but you dont give him away for a ****ING FB. Especially when you already bringing 4 FBs into camp and just wasted a 6th round pick on one in the draft lol





:shake:This is what I don't get would much rather have an abundance of DB's

BigCatDaddy
05-01-2013, 12:44 PM
there is no context in which a CB has the same value as a FB...i'd rather have a 6th round pick than a player who nullifies our actual 6th round pick

can we hire someone to do trades for the franchise?

That's funny, because I had the same thought. While Reid has a track record as a coach and Dorsey as an evaluator they are getting taken to the cleaners in trades.

patteeu
05-01-2013, 12:46 PM
I like arenas, but now we have flowers, Sean smith, Dunta, Daniels, Commings, and menzie. Some may compete at safety. Arenas is fairly expendable. Don't know who returns kicks but am confident toub weighed in on this.

Yeah, I don't get the reaction. Trading Arenas for someone who has a chance to at least contribute on ST is better than just cutting the guy.

RINGLEADER
05-01-2013, 12:47 PM
Always good to get something for nothing, even if it's a FB. And by 'nothing' I mean a trade instead of just releasing him.

This.

I like Arenas, but outside of his first punt return he hasn't contributed a whole lot. When he was put into the starting line-up after Routt was let go he played okay, but wasn't anything that will be missed.

BigCatDaddy
05-01-2013, 12:48 PM
This.

I like Arenas, but outside of his first punt return he hasn't contributed a whole lot. When he was put into the starting line-up after Routt was let go he played okay, but wasn't anything that will be missed.

So we have 4 guys better?

Just Passin' By
05-01-2013, 12:49 PM
:shake:This is what I don't get would much rather have an abundance of DB's

Maybe Reid's decided to break out the 5 fullback package on offense.

Rain Man
05-01-2013, 12:49 PM
What the - ? I thought we just signed a backup fullback. We traded our nickel back and punt returner for a backup fullback? What?

Who's running this clown show? I liked Arenas. Why do we keep giving away perfectly fine cornerbacks?!?!?!

The Franchise
05-01-2013, 12:49 PM
I can't wait till Kendrick Lewis gets cut and this place EXPLODES!

This place won't explode. Kendrick Lewis fucking sucks.

ShowtimeSBMVP
05-01-2013, 12:50 PM
Another Pioli Blunder Ends With Trade
May 1, 2013 - Bob Gretz | No Comments

In the days before the 2009 NFL Draft the Chiefs called a press conference to announce that the greatest receiving tight end in NFL history Tony Gonzalez had been traded to the Atlanta Falcons.

The deal that then new GM Scott Pioli put together was Gonzalez for a second-round draft choice . . . in 2010. The Chiefs did not even get an immediate payoff in the NFL Draft for giving up one of the best receivers in football.

The next year that second-round choice became cornerback-returner Javier Arenas from Alabama.

On Wednesday, the Chiefs put an end to that deal after four mediocre seasons from Arenas by trading him to the Arizona Cardinals.

In exchange, the Chiefs received fullback Anthony Sherman.

That Arenas won’t be going into the season with the Chiefs does not come as a surprise. When the club added Dunta Robinson and Sean Smith in free agency, and then Stanford Commings in the fifth-round of the 2013 Draft, Arenas’ hold on a roster spot became tenuous.

So he walks out of Kansas City with the following numbers:

47 games, 12 starts.
149 tackles with 4 sacks.
2 interceptions, 2 forced fumbles, 1 recovered fumble.
105 punt returns for a 9.8-yard average, no touchdowns.
50 kickoff returns for a 19.8-yard average, no touchdowns.
4 rushes on offense for 17 yards and a 5-yard TD run vs. Oakland in 2010.

In those same four seasons (2009-12), Gonzalez played in Atlanta with these numbers:

64 games, 63 starts.
326 catches for 328 yards, an average of 10.2 yards per catch, with a long catch of 34 yards.
27 touchdown catches.

the Talking Can
05-01-2013, 12:50 PM
he has more value to us as camp insurance against injuries to our CBs than a 3rd string FB....

RINGLEADER
05-01-2013, 12:52 PM
there is no context in which a CB has the same value as a FB...i'd rather have a 6th round pick than a player who nullifies our actual 6th round pick

can we hire someone to do trades for the franchise?

There are other variables like Arenas contract being up after this year, unless I'm mistaken.

Again, Arenas is a good guy but only a competent CB who likely wouldn't have seen the field much on Reid's team.

patteeu
05-01-2013, 12:52 PM
The most interesting part of this trade of bottom of the roster players is that it's a trade of players. That doesn't seem to happen very much.

I have nothing against Arenas, but if Reid/Dorsey see something in this fullback that they really want, I'd rather give up a guy who hopefully wouldn't even make the team with some of the DB additions we've already made than give up draft picks.

RINGLEADER
05-01-2013, 12:52 PM
So we have 4 guys better?

Evidently the coaches think so...

DBOSHO
05-01-2013, 12:52 PM
Hay guyz he had that one wildcat touchdown cut him some slack

Pablo
05-01-2013, 12:53 PM
Another fucking fullback? Are you shitting me? Better grab a couple more before training camp. Need to get at least seven into camp!

the Talking Can
05-01-2013, 12:53 PM
There are other variables like Arenas contract being up after this year, unless I'm mistaken.

Again, Arenas is a good guy but only a competent CB who likely wouldn't have seen the field much on Reid's team.

a competent CB is worth a lot more than a FB

Pablo
05-01-2013, 12:54 PM
Meet the new boss.

the Talking Can
05-01-2013, 12:54 PM
when you have a chance to acquire a guy with no rushing, passing, or blocking skills to be your 4th FB...you do it all costs

The 2011 fifth-round pick figures as a lead blocker for Chiefs running back Jamaal Charles, but that's a skill set still in progress for Sherman. ProFootballFocus graded him 19th out of 25 fullbacks as a road grader in 2012.

Sherman barely is a presence as a runner or pass catcher, with just three career yards on the ground and 13 receptions for 111 yards over two seasons. He joins a roster already crowded with three other fullbacks -- Patrick DiMarco, Ryan D'Imperio and Braden Wilson -- on the depth chart.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000165800/article/anthony-sherman-traded-by-cardinals-to-chiefs

RINGLEADER
05-01-2013, 12:55 PM
a competent CB is worth a lot more than a FB

Not if he doesn't play.

BigCatDaddy
05-01-2013, 12:56 PM
Evidently the coaches think so...

Name the 4. People argued to defer to authority with Piloli and look what happened.

the Talking Can
05-01-2013, 12:57 PM
Not if he doesn't play.

yes, even as injury insurance

and speaking of 'not playing,'...how many snaps per game is our 3rd string FB getting?

DTLB58
05-01-2013, 12:57 PM
Just because you have a surplus doesn't mean you give shit away. How are you related to Reid or Dorsey?

Yep. Areneas has more value in this league than a FB.

Pablo
05-01-2013, 12:57 PM
Not if he doesn't play.

This fucking garbage pick up won't play either. At least trade for a position that's been relevant sometime in the last two decades.

the Talking Can
05-01-2013, 12:58 PM
let's be clear


FBs as bad as this guy have absolutely no value...

getting a CB who has played as many snaps as Arenas - for nothing - is a nice trade on their part