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ShowtimeSBMVP
05-06-2013, 07:21 AM
A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20130506/rookie-minicamps-peter-king-monday-morning-quarterback/#ixzz2SWCd8Gea

Old Dog
05-06-2013, 07:23 AM
8-8.....really shooting for the fucking moon there..

Dayze
05-06-2013, 07:26 AM
greeeeeaaat

Hog's Gone Fishin
05-06-2013, 07:27 AM
If Alex Smith leads us into the playoffs then it was worth it.

ceebz
05-06-2013, 07:28 AM
Well, at least we now know the other pick involved in the deal will be a third rounder.

ChiliConCarnage
05-06-2013, 07:34 AM
yuck - I was hoping it was "make the playoffs"

For this to be a truly Chiefsian year we'll need to start out 5-8 so we know our season is over and then win our final 3.

TribalElder
05-06-2013, 07:34 AM
FAIL

this is absolut fail

LOL @ aiming to pay higher for breaking even

we better go 8-8 or better or the front office guys are fucking stupid for making this trade

Dayze
05-06-2013, 07:34 AM
Chiefs luck is they'll go 9-7, make the playoffs somehow, and get blown out.

BigRedChief
05-06-2013, 07:36 AM
If Alex Smith leads us into the playoffs then it was worth it.If we go from the worst team in football, a national joke......... to the playoffs the next year, it was draft picks well spent.

BigBeauford
05-06-2013, 07:39 AM
Can you imagine if we go 8-8, then come draft time we will be holding about the 17th pick in the first round and no second round pick. I literally cannot comprehend a situation like that.

Dayze
05-06-2013, 07:40 AM
Can you imagine if we go 8-8, then come draft time we will be holding about the 17th pick in the first round and no second round pick. I literally cannot comprehend a situation like that.

should be some good value at Guard and DL at 17.

AussieChiefsFan
05-06-2013, 07:40 AM
Can you imagine if we go 8-8, then come draft time we will be holding about the 17th pick in the first round and no second round pick. I literally cannot comprehend a situation like that.
:banghead:

the Talking Can
05-06-2013, 07:42 AM
they gave up a fucking second for going 8-8?


jesus christ this franchise is joke...."win now...8-8!...trade as many picks as necessary!"

CaliforniaChief
05-06-2013, 07:42 AM
I have a hard time believing we had to give up this much to pry Alex Smith from the 49'ers.

In58men
05-06-2013, 07:44 AM
Can you imagine if we go 8-8, then come draft time we will be holding about the 17th pick in the first round and no second round pick. I literally cannot comprehend a situation like that.

Andy Reid thinks it's a perfect trade still lol.


He's an idiot

BigMeatballDave
05-06-2013, 07:44 AM
FAIL

this is absolut fail

LOL @ aiming to pay higher for breaking even

we better go 8-8 or better or the front office guys are fucking stupid for making this tradeEh, it's all a crapshoot.

InChiefsHeaven
05-06-2013, 07:44 AM
If they had any confidence in Smith they should have said 10-6 not 8-8...

the Talking Can
05-06-2013, 07:46 AM
they got fucked so hard in this trade it is mind blowing....we're looking at the possibility of 2 high round seconds for a backup QB that takes us to 8-8 (aka "the Chiefs Superbowl")

DeezNutz
05-06-2013, 07:46 AM
What's a fair metric for success? .500. /KC

BigMeatballDave
05-06-2013, 07:46 AM
Bleeding vaginas.

I see them everywhere.

BigMeatballDave
05-06-2013, 07:47 AM
When was the last time the Chiefs record was 8-8?

the Talking Can
05-06-2013, 07:47 AM
What's a fair metric for success? .500. /KC

yes, we now have an actual means of valuing Clark's aspirations...

a backup QB and an 8-8 record...that's worth 2 seconds

Hammock Parties
05-06-2013, 07:48 AM
We better tank if we're 7-8.

BigBeauford
05-06-2013, 07:48 AM
Obligatory CP you are all overreacting trust in the process/have faith in Andy and Dorsey. /truefan (optimist to be politically correct)

the Talking Can
05-06-2013, 07:48 AM
When was the last time the Chiefs record was 8-8?

when is the first time anyone cared about going 8-8?

ShowtimeSBMVP
05-06-2013, 07:49 AM
What's a fair metric for success? .500. /KC

This team won 2 games last year. 6 win improvement.

Rasputin
05-06-2013, 07:49 AM
We made it to the playoffs with Matt Freaking Cassel.


La De Freaking Da


When are we going to win in the playoffs and then turn around the next year and be contending for a Championship and continue have success in the playoffs for years to come with Championship aspirations each year?


When are we going have a quarterback last longer than 2 to 5 years and make us a team no one wants to play?

Dayze
05-06-2013, 07:50 AM
when?

never.

BigRedChief
05-06-2013, 07:50 AM
they got fucked so hard in this trade it is mind blowing....we're looking at the possibility of 2 high round seconds for a backup QB that takes us to 8-8 (aka "the Chiefs Superbowl")Dude chill.

First, we don't even know if this info is true. From a practical standpoint if we go 8-8 the pick will be around 17-19 not a high round pick.

the Talking Can
05-06-2013, 07:51 AM
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/3356544/mind-blown-o.gif

BigBeauford
05-06-2013, 07:52 AM
This story literally confirms what all the pessimists have been complaining about. This organization is content with filling the seats and nothing more.

Rasputin
05-06-2013, 07:52 AM
when?

never.

That is what I am afraid of.


:(

New World Order
05-06-2013, 07:52 AM
This team won 2 games last year. 6 win improvement.


-True Fan

Direckshun
05-06-2013, 07:53 AM
I'm pretty sure this is evidence that Reid and Dorsey do not believe Smith is The Guy.

It certainly begs the question of who the guy will be in the future. My guess is we trade up for him in 2014.

DeezNutz
05-06-2013, 07:53 AM
yes, we now have an actual means of valuing Clark's aspirations...

a backup QB and an 8-8 record...that's worth 2 seconds

Yep. It's explicit. No longer do we need to speculate.

the Talking Can
05-06-2013, 07:53 AM
Dude chill.

First, we don't even know if this info is true. From a practical standpoint if we go 8-8 the pick will be around 17-19 not a high round pick.

from a practical standpoint, we supposedly believe in building through the draft, but gave up 2 seconds for going 8-8 with a stop gap QB....there's no spin for this

at least if it was contingent on a playoff appearance you could rationalize it...8-8?

ROFL

New World Order
05-06-2013, 07:54 AM
I'm pretty sure this is evidence that Reid and Dorsey do not believe Smith is The Guy.

It certainly begs the question of who the guy will be in the future. My guess is we trade up for him in 2014.



Why are we giving up 2 picks for him?

the Talking Can
05-06-2013, 07:55 AM
I'm pretty sure this is evidence that Reid and Dorsey do not believe Smith is The Guy.

It certainly begs the question of who the guy will be in the future. My guess is we trade up for him in 2014.

actually it begs the question of why you'd trade 2 seconds for someone who isn't 'the guy'...

the more you think about it, the more painfully fucking stupid it is

and just because I'm that guy:

trading for RG3..risky

trading multiple picks for 8-8...smart.../chiefs fans

KCUnited
05-06-2013, 07:55 AM
Be fun to watch league best Oline play again.

Rasputin
05-06-2013, 07:56 AM
I'm pretty sure this is evidence that Reid and Dorsey do not believe Smith is The Guy.

It certainly begs the question of who the guy will be in the future. My guess is we trade up for him in 2014.

They gave up a second round this year and have expectations to at least go 8-8 with Alex Smith this year to warrant him to be our starting quarterback for next several years to come barring injuries.

Injuries maybe our best hope to force the Chiefs to do something different than Alex Smith. I'm betting they will stick with him as long as they can. They look at 8 wins as an "improvement". It's not an improvement when we went the playoffs with basically the same team in 2010.

Bewbies
05-06-2013, 07:57 AM
8-8

http://i.imgur.com/cxM5gKA.gif

the Talking Can
05-06-2013, 07:58 AM
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Dave Lane
05-06-2013, 07:59 AM
when is the first time anyone cared about going 8-8?

Every year

/truefans

Chiefshrink
05-06-2013, 08:00 AM
from a practical standpoint, we supposedly believe in building through the draft, but gave up 2 seconds for going 8-8 with a stop gap QB....there's no spin for this

at least if it was contingent on a playoff appearance you could rationalize it...8-8?

ROFL

I thoroughly get your point. But we had no leverage whatsoever because there were other teams that wanted AS just as bad so we did and we had to drop our pants even further. Especially since we had no legit NFL QB on the roster and the 9ers knew it and bent us over. Dorsey would have done the same if we were in their shoes. Fallout is on Pioli not Dorsey/Reid for hanging his hat on Cassel and leaving us with sh** at QB plain and simple.

Discuss Thrower
05-06-2013, 08:02 AM
I have a hard time believing we had to give up this much to pry Alex Smith from the 49'ers.

Dorsey got defensive in a pressed when someone brought up the trade compensation. He knows he got the okie-doke from the 9ers.

the Talking Can
05-06-2013, 08:02 AM
I thoroughly get your point. But we had no leverage whatsoever because there were other teams that wanted AS just as bad so we did and we had to drop our pants even further. Especially since we had no legit NFL QB on the roster and the 9ers knew it and bent us over. Dorsey would have done the same if we were in their shoes. Fallout is on ***** not Dorsey/Reid for hanging his hat on Cassel and leaving us with sh** at QB plain and simple.

complete bullshit

pioli didn't make this stupid trade

Dorsey did...it's a fucking embarrassment of a trade

a smart team with a smart front office donkey punched us

Direckshun
05-06-2013, 08:02 AM
Why are we giving up 2 picks for him?

Because we were furiously working to outbid several other teams.

actually it begs the question of why you'd trade 2 seconds for someone who isn't 'the guy'...

the more you think about it, the more painfully ****ing stupid it is

A combination of business and football acumen.

The Chiefs need to be competitive, and you're not getting that with Carson Palmer, Kevin Kolb, Matt Flynn, Geno Smith, or Matt Barkley. You're getting it from Alex Smith.

Build a team around him for a year, then see what you can do to get The Guy.

the Talking Can
05-06-2013, 08:05 AM
we placed a value on 8-8


think about that...we called up the 49ers and said our ambitions were to go 8-8 and we'd pay anything to do it....not the playoffs, 8-8

can you imagine the look on Baalke's face when Dorsey said, "Clark wants us to be 8-8, take as many draft picks as you want"..

58-4ever
05-06-2013, 08:05 AM
They will have a ton of good scraps for us to pick up with all their up and coming young players.

Rasputin
05-06-2013, 08:06 AM
I thoroughly get your point. But we had no leverage whatsoever because there were other teams that wanted AS just as bad so we did and we had to drop our pants even further. Especially since we had no legit NFL QB on the roster and the 9ers knew it and bent us over. Dorsey would have done the same if we were in their shoes. Fallout is on ***** not Dorsey/Reid for hanging his hat on Cassel and leaving us with sh** at QB plain and simple.

Ya Bull Shit.

We were hanging onto the #1 pick of the draft and for all SF knew we could take Geno Smith or another QB if Dorsey and Reid acted as if that is the direction they wanted to go. From all reports not many teams were that interested in Alex Smith and that a 3rd round pick would have got the deal done.

the Talking Can
05-06-2013, 08:06 AM
Because we were furiously working to outbid several other teams.



A combination of business and football acumen.

The Chiefs need to be competitive, and you're not getting that with Carson Palmer, Kevin Kolb, Matt Flynn, Geno Smith, or Matt Barkley. You're getting it from Alex Smith.

Build a team around him for a year, then see what you can do to get The Guy.

wrong...ass backwards...proven failure

the Chiefs need a franchise QB....going 8-8 at the expense of 2 seconds not only robs you of precious draft picks, but reduces the chances that you're in a postion to draft "the guy"...

ShowtimeSBMVP
05-06-2013, 08:07 AM
Ya Bull Shit.

We were hanging onto the #1 pick of the draft and for all SF knew we could take Geno Smith or another QB if Dorsey and Reid acted as if that is the direction they wanted to go. From all reports not many teams were that interested in Alex Smith and that a 3rd round pick would have got the deal done.

Did you watch the draft? 49ers knew this class sucked.

Hog's Gone Fishin
05-06-2013, 08:09 AM
complete bullshit

***** didn't make this stupid trade

Dorsey did...it's a fucking embarrassment of a trade

a smart team with a smart front office donkey punched us


What would you have done different that gave us a better chance to win ?

BigMeatballDave
05-06-2013, 08:09 AM
LMAO

Rasputin
05-06-2013, 08:09 AM
Did you watch the draft? 49ers knew this class sucked.

Geno Smith did well at the combine. Doesn't matter there are other quarterbacks the Chiefs could have "acted" as if they were interested in.

the Talking Can
05-06-2013, 08:10 AM
What would you have done different that gave us a better chance to win ?

you mean a chance to go 8-8?

is it not clear that I don't give a shit about going 8-8?

King_Chief_Fan
05-06-2013, 08:10 AM
8-8 does not mean good QB play.
Why is it based on record vs. QB play? This team can go 8-8 with any QB other than Cassel. Something fishy about this.

6 game improvement to 8-8 is worth a second round pick?:spock:

Dave Lane
05-06-2013, 08:13 AM
8-8 does not mean good QB play.
Why is it based on record vs. QB play? This team can go 8-8 with any QB other than Cassel. Something fishy about this.

6 game improvement to 8-8 is worth a second round pick?:spock:

Stop praising for a moment and consider 2 second round picks for that.

King_Chief_Fan
05-06-2013, 08:14 AM
Stop praising for a moment and consider 2 second round picks for that.

2 second round picks for that?:spock:

BigMeatballDave
05-06-2013, 08:15 AM
The price of trying to win now.

It's a business, people.

New World Order
05-06-2013, 08:17 AM
We aren't going anywhere with Alex Smith, even if this regime hated the qb prospects this year why not bring in someone like Hasselbeck to start, that way you have a solid veteran playing and we still have our draft picks.

unlurking
05-06-2013, 08:17 AM
8-8 does not mean good QB play.
Why is it based on record vs. QB play? This team can go 8-8 with any QB other than Cassel. Something fishy about this.

6 game improvement to 8-8 is worth a second round pick?:spock:
I'm wondering the same. If Smith gets hit by a bus and never plays a down for us, we still may end up paying a 2nd if we go 8-8? I thought we should have been 8-8 last year. While Cassel would never have been a playoff winner for us, coaching was why were abysmal rather than our usual mediocre.

Dayze
05-06-2013, 08:17 AM
I honestly think the Smith trade was based on bad judgement of what value they placed on Smith. I can understand, given that we had Cassel, a bad FA market, and what I'm assuming they thought was a bad QB draft class, that they went with the best option in Smitt.

but the amount they were willing to pay for it, was not a smart decision. For their sakes, they had better hope he plays well. There is ZERO reason why he shouldn't (other than he just straight up sucks). He'll have arguably the best OL in the league.

For me, his leash is very short. I'd say 2 games of Cassel-esque performances will be it for me.

Chiefshrink
05-06-2013, 08:22 AM
complete bullshit

***** didn't make this stupid trade

Dorsey did...it's a ****ing embarrassment of a trade

a smart team with a smart front office donkey punched us

Ya Bull Shit.

We were hanging onto the #1 pick of the draft and for all SF knew we could take Geno Smith or another QB if Dorsey and Reid acted as if that is the direction they wanted to go. From all reports not many teams were that interested in Alex Smith and that a 3rd round pick would have got the deal done.

When you don't have sh** at QB and you are the new regime and the draft class coming out doesn't have an Andrew Luck, and your potential trading partner KNOWS all this, you have to drop your pants even further. WHY ??? Because everyone KNOWS this is a QB DRIVEN LEAGUE !!

If you are the new regime you don't hang your hat on a weak ass QB draft class, neither do you hang your hat on your previous QB roster. So AS was the best option. I don't like it anymore than you but look at the reality of it.

You just have to get over the fact that we had the No.1 pick with no Andrew Luck or RGIII available for us to take. I get it but you don't force a square peg in a round hole when all signs show there are more likely square pegs than round pegs to choose from.

Fritz88
05-06-2013, 08:24 AM
We got raped on this. As bad as Pioli is, he'll never get screwed over like this.
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Munson
05-06-2013, 08:25 AM
**** you, Dorsey! :mad:

We got raped in this trade. Only this franchise would give up that much for a scrub QB, who is basically the same QB we've had the past 4 years.

ChiliConCarnage
05-06-2013, 08:26 AM
from a practical standpoint, we supposedly believe in building through the draft, but gave up 2 seconds for going 8-8 with a stop gap QB....there's no spin for this

at least if it was contingent on a playoff appearance you could rationalize it...8-8?

ROFL

It's called negotiating. You're making too much of the 8-8. The Chiefs probably started high the 9ers started low and they ended up in the middle. It's not some sign that Clark Hunt only wants to go 8-8. The Dorseid needed to walk away from this deal but they were too desperate to get Alex Smith. It's hard to even write something like that it's so ridiculous. They should have just backed away and picked up some other veteran for a year.

the Talking Can
05-06-2013, 08:28 AM
When you don't have sh** at QB and you are the new regime and the draft class coming out doesn't have an Andrew Luck, and your potential trading partner KNOWS all this, you have to drop your pants even further. WHY ??? Because everyone KNOWS this is a QB DRIVEN LEAGUE !!

If you are the new regime you don't hang your hat on a weak ass QB draft class, neither do you hang your hat on your previous QB roster. So AS was the best option. I don't like it anymore than you but look at the reality of it.

You just have to get over the fact that we had the No.1 pick with no Andrew Luck or RGIII available for us to take. I get it but you don't force a square peg in a round hole when all signs show there are more likely square pegs than round pegs to choose from.

complete nonsense...just pathetic rationalizing of an idiotic trade

but I guess "ANDREW LUCK OMGZ!!!" will be sitting there for us next year when we're 8-8 and looking for a QB...right?

Chiefshrink
05-06-2013, 08:29 AM
I honestly think the Smith trade was based on bad judgement of what value they placed on Smith. I can understand, given that we had Cassel, a bad FA market, and what I'm assuming they thought was a bad QB draft class, that they went with the best option in Smitt.

but the amount they were willing to pay for it, was not a smart decision. For their sakes, they had better hope he plays well. There is ZERO reason why he shouldn't (other than he just straight up sucks). He'll have arguably the best OL in the league.

For me, his leash is very short. I'd say 2 games of Cassel-esque performances will be it for me.

To your point, the overpayment is the consequence of no leverage(having Cassel, AS available, No legit Luck in the QB draft class, AND a New Regime that wants and has to win NOW) PERIOD !!

No leverage, you get hosed every time especially when you are in a position of MISSION CRITICAL NEED AT QB and your trading partner KNOWS IT !!

Rasputin
05-06-2013, 08:30 AM
When you don't have sh** at QB and you are the new regime and the draft class coming out doesn't have an Andrew Luck, and your potential trading partner KNOWS all this, you have to drop your pants even further. WHY ??? Because everyone KNOWS this is a QB DRIVEN LEAGUE !!

If you are the new regime you don't hang your hat on a weak ass QB draft class, neither do you hang your hat on your previous QB roster. So AS was the best option. I don't like it anymore than you but look at the reality of it.

You just have to get over the fact that we had the No.1 pick with no Andrew Luck or RGIII available for us to take. I get it but you don't force a square peg in a round hole when all signs show there are more likely square pegs than round pegs to choose from.

NO they didn't and worse is if we have to give up next years second round pick when 2014 is suppose to have a better QB draft class. This is the problem now. This is what makes this trade so bad. Fuck Alex Smith he was not worth the risk of 2 twos and give up a chance at future QB prospects of the draft. No matter how much anyone wants to spin it they didn't have to take that deal.

the Talking Can
05-06-2013, 08:30 AM
It's called negotiating. You're making too much of the 8-8. The Chiefs probably started high the 9ers started low and they ended up in the middle. It's not some sign that Clark Hunt only wants to go 8-8. The Dorseid needed to walk away from this deal but they were too desperate to get Alex Smith. It's hard to even write something like that it's so ridiculous. They should have just backed away and picked up some other veteran for a year.

8-8 has no value...it is meaningless and worthless

then the Chiefs showed up and placed a value upon it, a second round pick

this is stupid beyond even typical Chiefs stupidity

Dave Lane
05-06-2013, 08:31 AM
It's called negotiating. You're making too much of the 8-8. The Chiefs probably started high the 9ers started low and they ended up in the middle. It's not some sign that Clark Hunt only wants to go 8-8. The Dorseid needed to walk away from this deal but they were too desperate to get Alex Smith. It's hard to even write something like that it's so ridiculous. They should have just backed away and picked up some other veteran for a year.

Or waited for the price to come down to a single 3rd rounder.

Imon Yourside
05-06-2013, 08:32 AM
Lolz, we will be 8-8 and miss the playoffs...count on it.

the Talking Can
05-06-2013, 08:32 AM
next year we'll be 8-8 with no 2nd round pick to use for a trade up

according to Chiefs fans, we're going to get our QBOTF in next years draft...and remember, any qb we draft has to be completely risk free like ANDREW LUCK OMG!!


genious

DeezNutz
05-06-2013, 08:32 AM
Luck was a "generational talent," and the Chiefs weren't in a position to draft him.

Welp, there's always hope for the next generation.

penbrook
05-06-2013, 08:34 AM
Per Chiefsbeef

Albert than was talking to DT Anthony Toribio in the comments, and told him that he "will be there soon"

Imon Yourside
05-06-2013, 08:35 AM
Luck was a "generational talent," and the Chiefs weren't in a position to draft him.

Welp, there's always hope for the next generation.

We had the suck for luck campaign going, problem is no one was listening. The Colts did a great job of it though.

the Talking Can
05-06-2013, 08:35 AM
Luck was a "generational talent," and the Chiefs weren't in a position to draft him.

Welp, there's always hope for the next generation.

we avoided risk and went 8-8

what the fuck else do you want?

-King-
05-06-2013, 08:36 AM
This team won 2 games last year. 6 win improvement.

So we traded for a 29 year old QB for 8-8? You're okay with that?
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DeezNutz
05-06-2013, 08:36 AM
Anyone who even remotely criticized the Redskins for what they traded for RGIII should be fucking crucifying the Chiefs for the Alex Smith trade.

Direckshun
05-06-2013, 08:38 AM
wrong...ass backwards...proven failure

the Chiefs need a franchise QB....going 8-8 at the expense of 2 seconds not only robs you of precious draft picks, but reduces the chances that you're in a postion to draft "the guy"...

Fantastic. We've located the problem.

Now: fix that in the 2013 offseason. Go ahead. I'll wait.

...

I'm guessing you can't.

So if you can't get one, maybe you should expend the resources necessary to land yourself a solid option or two while you continue building the team.

the Talking Can
05-06-2013, 08:38 AM
i shouldn't be amazed that Chiefs fans defend this idiocy...but even after decades of the same sad excuse making, it does surprise me

can you imagine if Carl had done a trade explicitly based on going 8-8?

ShowtimeSBMVP
05-06-2013, 08:39 AM
So we traded for a 29 year old QB for 8-8? You're okay with that?
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Yes cause Alex Smith is better then anything the 2013 QB draft class had to offer.

RealSNR
05-06-2013, 08:40 AM
To your point, the overpayment is the consequence of no leverage(having Cassel, AS available, No legit Luck in the QB draft class, AND a New Regime that wants and has to win NOW) PERIOD !!

No leverage, you get hosed every time especially when you are in a position of MISSION CRITICAL NEED AT QB and your trading partner KNOWS IT !!

Then we should have gone for a cheaper option.

Alex Smith is better than Carson Palmer, Matt Flynn, and a few others.

There's no way in hell he's good enough for the price that Dorsey paid.

If the 49ers want to be dicks and jack up the price the way they did, Dorsey needed to tell them to go fuck off and go with someone else. Especially since it's pretty apparent Alex Smith is not the long-term solution in KC. Matt Flynn serves the exact same goddamn function and could have been had for our 4th rounder.

Imon Yourside
05-06-2013, 08:40 AM
i shouldn't be amazed that Chiefs fans defend this idiocy...but even after decades of the same sad excuse making, it does surprise me

can you imagine if Carl had done a trade explicitly based on going 8-8?

The Chiefs are like groundhog day, every year I hear "I Got you Babe" playing as the season refreshes anew.

RealSNR
05-06-2013, 08:40 AM
Yes cause Alex Smith is better then anything the 2013 QB draft class had to offer.
That's a stupid reason.

the Talking Can
05-06-2013, 08:40 AM
Fantastic. We've located the problem.

Now: fix that in the 2013 offseason. Go ahead. I'll wait.

...

I'm guessing you can't.

So if you can't get one, maybe you should expend the resources necessary to land yourself a solid option or two while you continue building the team.

of course I can, I can draft a QB and keep my picks

or I can sign any FA QB and keep my picks and draft a QB next year (with the 2nd I have to move up)

it's pretty fucking simple to understand, and embarrassing to watch people defend

oh wait...drafting a QB would have been risky....unlike this..this was SAFE and SMART

ChiliConCarnage
05-06-2013, 08:41 AM
we avoided risk and went 8-8

what the **** else do you want?

Do you have a code word you should let us know in case you stroke out here soon?

DeezNutz
05-06-2013, 08:41 AM
Matt Flynn for late-round picks in '14 and '15 with Geno in the second? Or Alex Smith for second rounders this year and next?

ShowtimeSBMVP
05-06-2013, 08:42 AM
Matt Flynn for late-round picks in '14 and '15 with Geno in the second? Or Alex Smith for second rounders this year and next?

Alex Smith by a mile.

the Talking Can
05-06-2013, 08:42 AM
Do you have a code word you should let us know in case you stroke out here soon?

yeah, it's true...I still care a bit


my fault

-King-
05-06-2013, 08:43 AM
Yes cause Alex Smith is better then anything the 2013 QB draft class had to offer.

That doesn't fucking matter. If you're aiming for 8-8, then I'd rather try to get there with literally any rookie QB than a 29 year old QB.

8-8 with a 29 year old QB should be a given. If the conditions were 10-6 or 11-5 I'd have no problem with this, but 8-8? That just shows how much confidence they have in Smith.
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RealSNR
05-06-2013, 08:43 AM
Fantastic. We've located the problem.

Now: fix that in the 2013 offseason. Go ahead. I'll wait.

...

I'm guessing you can't.

So if you can't get one, maybe you should expend the resources necessary to land yourself a solid option or two while you continue building the team.That's counterproductive as all hell.

I can't wait until 2014 when Bridgewater goes in the top 3 picks and everybody else "isn't a sure thing." All the hemming and hawing about "bad luck" and how the Chiefs lose at the wrong time always will be music to my ears.

loochy
05-06-2013, 08:44 AM
stupid
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Jayhawk Chief
05-06-2013, 08:44 AM
As always, time will tell on this trade. For it to be a success, IMHO, the Chiefs can't finish below .500 for the next 5 years and Alex Smith is our QB. If he is a Trent Green QB, this trade is fine.

ChiefsCountry
05-06-2013, 08:45 AM
Alex Smith by a mile.

@ChiefsandO'sfan #GoKillYourself

TomBarndtsTwin
05-06-2013, 08:46 AM
8-8 . . . . . really?!? ****!

At least it wasn't as bad as the Carson Palmer trade. That's about the ONLY solace I can take from this. ****!

:banghead:

ChiliConCarnage
05-06-2013, 08:46 AM
As always, time will tell on this trade. For it to be a success, IMHO, the Chiefs can't finish below .500 for the next 5 years and Alex Smith is our QB. If he is a Trent Green QB, this trade is fine.

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRQTaT6BjktszrGbuxfqnH9xAbHsQqhM8XE6ZbJFNUuinumzNBA

-King-
05-06-2013, 08:48 AM
Seriously, Dorsey got bent over by the 9ers on this. Then the Dolphins called his bluff on the Albert trade. Then we traded for a fucking fullback.

I dont think Dorsey knows Wtf he's doing when it comes to trades. His trades make Piolis trades seem genius.
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RealSNR
05-06-2013, 08:48 AM
Pioli did a terrible thing to this franchise. He turned the fans into a bunch of crack whores who will suck any dick just for a few grams of worthless regular season wins.

And I mean any dick at all. Alex fucking Smith for crying out loud, people.

the Talking Can
05-06-2013, 08:51 AM
Chiefs Fans:

drafting a QB not named Luck is risky

trading multiple draft picks for a backup QB with an 8-8 win threshold is smart


you

can

not

make

this

shit

up

Rasputin
05-06-2013, 08:54 AM
As always, time will tell on this trade. For it to be a success, IMHO, the Chiefs can't finish below .500 for the next 5 years and Alex Smith is our QB. If he is a Trent Green QB, this trade is fine.

Fail if not = Super Bowl

Bewbies
05-06-2013, 08:55 AM
Chiefs Fans:

drafting a QB not named Luck is risky

trading multiple draft picks for a backup QB with an 8-8 win threshold is smart


you

can

not

make

this

shit

up

LMAO

ChiefsCountry
05-06-2013, 08:55 AM
Could have signed Kevin Fucking Kolb and gotten this team to 8-8 and not have to give up two second round picks. Oh well Alex Smith will end up costing Dorsey and Reid their jobs.

Lex Luthor
05-06-2013, 08:58 AM
we placed a value on 8-8


think about that...we called up the 49ers and said our ambitions were to go 8-8 and we'd pay anything to do it....not the playoffs, 8-8

can you imagine the look on Baalke's face when Dorsey said, "Clark wants us to be 8-8, take as many draft picks as you want"..

You obviously feel that there is no difference between 2-14 and 8-8, and I can certainly understand that viewpoint. Neither one gets you into the playoffs, certainly not with any hope of a deep playoff run. If the ultimate goal of Reid and Dorsey is to simply go 8-8 every year and put as many butts in the seats as possible, then I'm right there with you.

But I think Reid and Dorsey are looking at this in two phases. The first phase is to simply lift the team up to respectability as quickly as possible. Let's face it: Scott ***** destroyed everything and alienated most of the fans. You may not think it's a significant improvement if this team goes 8-8 next year, but I respectfully disagree. The 2-14 debacle of last year was horrific. 8-8 next season is realistically achievable and would stop the hemorrhaging that turned this team into the laughingstock of the NFL. Obviously I would rather see the Chiefs improve from 2-14 to 14-2 next season, but that's just unrealistic. And based upon the apparent lack of real talent in this rookie class, the Chiefs sure as hell wouldn't go 14-2 next year witih a rookie quarterback as the starter.

The second phase will be to build a team for the future, which will include drafting a QBOTF.

Did they overpay for Alex Smith? Yes, obviously. But it sounds like the 49ers took advantage of a seller's market, and it's not really a reach to assume that the teams that wound up picking up the other retread quarterbacks were bidding against the Chiefs for Alex Smith. It was a really bad time to be in the market for a quarterback. Drue Brees wasn't sitting out there as a free agent. Andrew Luck wasn't sitting there waiting to be drafted. Reid and Dorsey made their decision and went with it.

I'm willing to give Reid and Dorsey the benefit of the doubt for now. I hope that the majority of the decisions they make turn out to be good ones, even if I don't necessarily love this one. Time will tell. It's going to take a hell of lot more time than a couple of months in their first offseason to evaluate whether they're total morons, competent, or total ****ing football geniuses. If they go 8-8 and 10-6 in their first two seasons AND they have a promising young quarterback on their roster, I would call that a damn good start.

I know, everything would be rainbows and unicorns if they had drafted Geno Smith and Smith turned out to be the next Aaron Rodgers. But Reid and Dorsey obviously didn't think that highly of Geno or any other quarterback in this draft. The fact that every other GM in the NFL agreed with them gives credibility to their decision making process.

It's fine to make risky draft choices. But if you draft someone just because you wish and hope they'll be great when every evaluation you do tells you otherwise, that's not a risky draft choice. It's a stupid one.

In other words, cool your jets. There will be plenty of time for wailing and gnashing of teeth if Reid and Dorsy fail. In the meantime, all you're doing is driving up each other's blood pressure and you're not accomplishing anything.

nychief
05-06-2013, 08:59 AM
A second rnd pick??

you mean we might have given up JAVIER ARENAS??!?!?!!?!?!?!?!

Brock
05-06-2013, 08:59 AM
Could have signed Kevin Fucking Kolb and gotten this team to 8-8 and not have to give up two second round picks. Oh well Alex Smith will end up costing Dorsey and Reid their jobs.

Ha ha sure, 8 years from now.

Mr. Laz
05-06-2013, 09:00 AM
we got so screwed.

HoneyBadger
05-06-2013, 09:00 AM
Is it 8-8 even if Smith is hurt for several of those games? I'm sure he won't play all 16 games. Never does.

Rasputin
05-06-2013, 09:02 AM
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DeezNutz
05-06-2013, 09:02 AM
Did they overpay for Alex Smith? Yes, obviously. But it sounds like the 49ers took advantage of a seller's market, and it's not really a reach to assume that the teams that wound up picking up the other retread quarterbacks were bidding against the Chiefs for Alex Smith.

Possibly. But I think it's equally plausible to think that the Chiefs were bidding against themselves.

Chiefshrink
05-06-2013, 09:03 AM
NO they didn't and worse is if we have to give up next years second round pick when 2014 is suppose to have a better QB draft class. This is the problem now. This is what makes this trade so bad. **** Alex Smith he was not worth the risk of 2 twos and give up a chance at future QB prospects of the draft. No matter how much anyone wants to spin it they didn't have to take that deal.

we avoided risk and went 8-8

what the **** else do you want?

So if you are Dorsey/Reid what is your plan you present to Clark KNOWING you already have Cassel, NO legit Luck with the 1st pick, YOU are the new regime that has to win now and it's a QB driven league and only one decent FA QB on the market(with many other suitors as well)and your potential new trading partner knows the predicament you are in ?

Clark: "Fellas, I have a pissed off fan base and losing $$ and I need to win now and do not feel comfortable about this upcoming QB draft class using it with our No.1 pick.

TC/KC: "Clark, with all due respect it is Geno or BUST !!!

Clark: "I can't afford another high risk BUST and neither can this fan base. I realize we need a QB and the fan base wants a QB with the first pick of this draft but that is out of the question if there is no sure fire "Luck" in this draft. And I can't afford to tank this season for a better QB class next year. That's just stupid. What other options do we have?

TC/KC: "There are no other options Clark, Geno or BUST !!

Clark: I hired you guys for 'no other options' ?

TC/KC: Unless you want to sacrifice high future draft picks for AS that has only had 1 and 1/2 yrs of prod QBing out of his 7yr career ?

Clark: "Well, I guess this is the price I have to pay for no leverage because I have to win now because no way in hell I go the QB draft class for this year and stuck with the Jags/Jets type problem in 2 years STILL LOSING AND STILL HAVING TO PAY A KINGS RANSOM !!

WV
05-06-2013, 09:05 AM
We got bent over and they didn't even offer up any lube.

philfree
05-06-2013, 09:05 AM
Something is missing here. So what if Alex Smith is injured and we go 8-8 with Daniels? Do we still owe a 2nd? Alex Smith staying healthy is a bigger issue I would think when it comes to a conditional pick. So this report seems kind of off.

Chiefshrink
05-06-2013, 09:05 AM
You obviously feel that there is no difference between 2-14 and 8-8, and I can certainly understand that viewpoint. Neither one gets you into the playoffs, certainly not with any hope of a deep playoff run. If the ultimate goal of Reid and Dorsey is to simply go 8-8 every year and put as many butts in the seats as possible, then I'm right there with you.

But I think Reid and Dorsey are looking at this in two phases. The first phase is to simply lift the team up to respectability as quickly as possible. Let's face it: Scott ***** destroyed everything and alienated most of the fans. You may not think it's a significant improvement if this team goes 8-8 next year, but I respectfully disagree. The 2-14 debacle of last year was horrific. 8-8 next season is realistically achievable and would stop the hemorrhaging that turned this team into the laughingstock of the NFL. Obviously I would rather see the Chiefs improve from 2-14 to 14-2 next season, but that's just unrealistic. And based upon the apparent lack of real talent in this rookie class, the Chiefs sure as hell wouldn't go 14-2 next year witih a rookie quarterback as the starter.

The second phase will be to build a team for the future, which will include drafting a QBOTF.

Did they overpay for Alex Smith? Yes, obviously. But it sounds like the 49ers took advantage of a seller's market, and it's not really a reach to assume that the teams that wound up picking up the other retread quarterbacks were bidding against the Chiefs for Alex Smith. It was a really bad time to be in the market for a quarterback. Drue Brees wasn't sitting out there as a free agent. Andrew Luck wasn't sitting there waiting to be drafted. Reid and Dorsey made their decision and went with it.

I'm willing to give Reid and Dorsey the benefit of the doubt for now. I hope that the majority of the decisions they make turn out to be good ones, even if I don't necessarily love this one. Time will tell. It's going to take a hell of lot more time than a couple of months in their first offseason to evaluate whether they're total morons, competent, or total ****ing football geniuses. If they go 8-8 and 10-6 in their first two seasons AND they have a promising young quarterback on their roster, I would call that a damn good start.

I know, everything would be rainbows and unicorns if they had drafted Geno Smith and Smith turned out to be the next Aaron Rodgers. But Reid and Dorsey obviously didn't think that highly of Geno or any other quarterback in this draft. The fact that every other GM in the NFL agreed with them gives credibility to their decision making process.

It's fine to make risky draft choices. But if you draft someone just because you wish and hope they'll be great when every evaluation you do tells you otherwise, that's not a risky draft choice. It's a stupid one.

In other words, cool your jets. There will be plenty of time for wailing and gnashing of teeth if Reid and Dorsy fail. In the meantime, all you're doing is driving up each other's blood pressure and you're not accomplishing anything.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:
Geno is already getting off to a great start !!!:rolleyes:

BigCatDaddy
05-06-2013, 09:07 AM
The Chiefs should enlist the help of GMDM.

Chiefshrink
05-06-2013, 09:10 AM
Possibly. But I think it's equally plausible to think that the Chiefs were bidding against themselves.

No way, all the teams that made a FA move for a QB after we signed AS and the Bills were in the running, I assure you. Everyone wanted AS !!:thumb:

Lex Luthor
05-06-2013, 09:11 AM
The Chiefs should enlist the help of GMDM.
Which GMDM do you want? The one who was universally reviled and ridiculed for the awful trades he made his first few years here, or the one who built the best farm system in baseball and turned the team into one of the better young teams in baseball?

If you guys had been in charge of the Royals, Dayton Moore would have been fired years ago. No, check that. Dayton Moore would have been fired before his team ever played a single game.

Sweet Daddy Hate
05-06-2013, 09:12 AM
should be some good value at Guard and DL at 17.

LMAO I laugh because I know without a doubt it's coming. I all but guarantee all of the next two to three round one picks will be used to replace Pioli's "value fest".
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RealSNR
05-06-2013, 09:16 AM
A second rnd pick??

you mean we might have given up JAVIER ARENAS??!?!?!!?!?!?!?!

If John Dorsey were worth a squirrel fart, he'd be drafting great players with those 2nd rounders just like the Ravens, Packers, Seahawks, 49ers, and every other team with a great GM does.

You've never known a franchise to do anything else but piss away a 2nd round pick on Javier Arenas, so that's what the pick means to you.

In the meantime, we passed up an opportunity to draft some pretty damn good fucking players with this year's 2nd rounder. I can't wait until next year to find out what kind of stellar athletes won't be on our team all because of Alex fucking Smith.

patteeu
05-06-2013, 09:16 AM
I'm pretty sure this is evidence that Reid and Dorsey do not believe Smith is The Guy.

It certainly begs the question of who the guy will be in the future. My guess is we trade up for him in 2014.

No way. If the team goes 8-8, they won't even have a 2nd rounder to help trade up. If they fall short of that, it can't possibly be Andy Reid's master plan to trade a 2nd and a 3rd for 1 year stop gap. If he was looking toward the 2014 QB class, he would have picked up a cheaper stop gap (who probably would have helped out by leading to a worse record and a better draft position).

If a desirable QB falls to the Chiefs in the 1st of the 2014 draft, I can see them taking him, but I don't see them trading up in the 1st.

Sweet Daddy Hate
05-06-2013, 09:18 AM
When was the last time the Chiefs record was 8-8?

So now...we're the Raiders? Awesome.
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Rasputin
05-06-2013, 09:20 AM
So if you are Dorsey/Reid what is your plan you present to Clark KNOWING you already have Cassel, NO legit Luck with the 1st pick, YOU are the new regime that has to win now and it's a QB driven league and only one decent FA QB on the market(with many other suitors as well)and your potential new trading partner knows the predicament you are in ?

Clark: "Fellas, I have a pissed off fan base and losing $$ and I need to win now and do not feel comfortable about this upcoming QB draft class using it with our No.1 pick.

TC/KC: "Clark, with all due respect it is Geno or BUST !!!

Clark: "I can't afford another high risk BUST and neither can this fan base. I realize we need a QB and the fan base wants a QB with the first pick of this draft but that is out of the question if there is no sure fire "Luck" in this draft. And I can't afford to tank this season for a better QB class next year. That's just stupid. What other options do we have?

TC/KC: "There are no other options Clark, Geno or BUST !!

Clark: I hired you guys for 'no other options' ?

TC/KC: Unless you want to sacrifice high future draft picks for AS that has only had 1 and 1/2 yrs of prod QBing out of his 7yr career ?

Clark: "Well, I guess this is the price I have to pay for no leverage because I have to win now because no way in hell I go the QB draft class for this year and stuck with the Jags/Jets type problem in 2 years STILL LOSING AND STILL HAVING TO PAY A KINGS RANSOM !!

I haven't said Geno or bust although that is who I would have been happy with. They could have given a FA a chance to redeem himself like a Vince Young and tell Clark Hunt that we are keeping options open at quarterback going into next years draft and we are going to build this team through the draft if it takes a couple years to get the right guy then it takes a couple years to get the right guy.

Heavens if we would draft quarterbacks in back to back years after going 30 years not drafting a quarterback in the first round.

Sweet Daddy Hate
05-06-2013, 09:21 AM
We better tank if we're 7-8.

No more than six, tops. I guaranfuckingtee it.
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Rasputin
05-06-2013, 09:23 AM
We still don't have a quarterback competition, we are just stuck to watch who they force down our throats.


They do what ever it takes to avoid QB controversy and plug in their guy.

BigCatDaddy
05-06-2013, 09:24 AM
Which GMDM do you want? The one who was universally reviled and ridiculed for the awful trades he made his first few years here, or the one who built the best farm system in baseball and turned the team into one of the better young teams in baseball?

If you guys had been in charge of the Royals, Dayton Moore would have been fired years ago. No, check that. Dayton Moore would have been fired before his team ever played a single game.

The one that appears to at least get value for what he gives up when he makes big time deals. The Chiefs basically traded Will Myers for Luke Hochevar.

BigCatDaddy
05-06-2013, 09:27 AM
No more than six, tops. I guaran****ingtee it.
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Depends on how injuries play out for us and the teams we are playing. It's a cupcake schedule which is why this was even a dumber decision by Dorsey/Reid. I still think 5 or 6 wins if Alex is who we know him to be.

Saccopoo
05-06-2013, 09:28 AM
NO they didn't and worse is if we have to give up next years second round pick when 2014 is suppose to have a better QB draft class. This is the problem now. This is what makes this trade so bad. **** Alex Smith he was not worth the risk of 2 twos and give up a chance at future QB prospects of the draft. No matter how much anyone wants to spin it they didn't have to take that deal.

I'm pretty sure that the 2014 QB draft class isn't as good as the 2013. Logan Thomas was downright horrible this past season and wanted to come out, but was basically forced back into school through his own terrible play. He's a hobo's version of EJ Manuel.

Aaron Murray is as up and down as you can find at the QB spot and has never played up to the competition. Comparable to Ryan Nassib.

Teddy Bridgewater is a nice player, but he's not at the same level as Geno Smith in terms of tools, arm and presence.

Tajh Boyd is decent and has improved, but he's not Russell Wilson by any stretch.

IMO, the best two QB's of this class are Chuckie Keeton of Utah State (absolute winner with a great arm and excellent athleticism - reminds me of a smaller Colin Kaepernick at the same stage) and Marcus Mariota of Oregon. Both are very accurate, athletic with very good arms. Both are winners. Both are coming off superb 2012 seasons and aren't getting any attention from the national press for whatever reason. But both will be juniors and might not even declare. I'd take Keeton in a heartbeat if I were the Chiefs.

Sweet Daddy Hate
05-06-2013, 09:31 AM
Anyone who even remotely criticized the Redskins for what they traded for RGIII should be fucking crucifying the Chiefs for the Alex Smith trade.

This. And can we please, PLEASE put this myth to rest that Alice was a "hot commodity" that teams were just banging the table night and day for, and that the Chiefs "won" in the end? Ridiculous.
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Saccopoo
05-06-2013, 09:34 AM
Fantastic. We've located the problem.

Now: fix that in the 2013 offseason. Go ahead. I'll wait.

...

I'm guessing you can't.

So if you can't get one, maybe you should expend the resources necessary to land yourself a solid option or two while you continue building the team.

I think that the Jets did just that, but time will tell who got the better end of the deal.

Chiefs get Eric Fisher when they already had Branden Albert, Don Stephenson and Jeff Allen, and a 29 year old, often injured Alex Smith as well as Mike DeVito and Sean Smith. They also lose their 2nd rounder in 2014.

Jets get Geno Smith, Dee Milliner and Sheldon Richardson.

Chiefs, if they don't trade for Alex Smith could have had either Milliner or Richardson versus Sean Smith and Mike DeVito and Geno Smith.

It will be interesting to see how both teams progress with those players.

Sweet Daddy Hate
05-06-2013, 09:34 AM
Depends on how injuries play out for us and the teams we are playing. It's a cupcake schedule which is why this was even a dumber decision by Dorsey/Reid. I still think 5 or 6 wins if Alex is who we know him to be.

My final record is 5-11, but I'm factoring in a possibility of at least two more wins due to the upgrade at O line, AND the possibility that Smith can actually complete his checkdowns.
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Saccopoo
05-06-2013, 09:36 AM
Alex Smith by a mile.

http://www.mileanhour.com/files/2010/2/tard.gif

Lex Luthor
05-06-2013, 09:38 AM
The one that appears to at least get value for what he gives up when he makes big time deals. The Chiefs basically traded Will Myers for Luke Hochevar.
So where were you when Dayton Moore made disastrous trades for guys like Brandon Duckworth, Ryan Sheely, Kyle Davies, Yuniesky Betancourt and Mike Jacobs? How about when he signed free agent failures like Kyle Farnsworth, Jose Guillen, Rick Ankiel, and Yuniesky Betancourt (again)?

Apparently you're just fine with Dayton Moore NOW, even though he made some decisions early-on that were head-scratchers, yet you can't stop pissing and moaning about Reid and Dorsey, even though the Chiefs team they are putting together hasn't taken a single snap on the field.

Mr. Laz
05-06-2013, 09:39 AM
I keep trying to get over it and just move on but this was just a terrible,terrible trade.

we got ripped off

Even if Alex Smith ends up being better than i expect, we got totally hosed.

Mr_Tomahawk
05-06-2013, 09:40 AM
Matt Flynn for late-round picks in '14 and '15 with Geno in the second? Or Alex Smith for second rounders this year and next?

None of those guys are going to win you a Super Bowl in the next couple of seasons...

Take the best option to mentor a developmental QB, ie. Tyler Bray.

Let Tyler learn the playbook and mature for a season or two under Smith like Kaep did.

BigCatDaddy
05-06-2013, 09:40 AM
So where were you when Dayton Moore made disastrous trades for guys like Brandon Duckworth, Ryan Sheely, Kyle Davies, Yuniesky Betancourt and Mike Jacobs? How about when he signed free agent failures like Kyle Farnsworth, Jose Guillen, Rick Ankiel, and Yuniesky Betancourt (again)?

Apparently you're just fine with Dayton Moore NOW, even though he made some decisions early-on that were head-scratchers, yet you can't stop pissing and moaning about Reid and Dorsey, even though the Chiefs team they are putting together hasn't taken a single snap on the field.

Those were moves in which he had nothing to trade. When having something like Grienke or Myers so far the dividends have been good. The early moves were basically trading shit for shit. Which would be more along the lines of trading a 5th round pick for Smith, because than you are trading shit for shit. I consider having 2 2nd round picks to part with having something of significance to give up. With 2 2nd round picks you better get something better in return than Alex ****ing Smiff!

Lex Luthor
05-06-2013, 09:40 AM
This. And can we please, PLEASE put this myth to rest that Alice was a "hot commodity" that teams were just banging the table night and day for, and that the Chiefs "won" in the end? Ridiculous.
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No, because you don't know one way or the other.

The Franchise
05-06-2013, 09:41 AM
I'm pretty sure that the 2014 QB draft class isn't as good as the 2013. Logan Thomas was downright horrible this past season and wanted to come out, but was basically forced back into school through his own terrible play. He's a hobo's version of EJ Manuel.

Aaron Murray is as up and down as you can find at the QB spot and has never played up to the competition. Comparable to Ryan Nassib.

Teddy Bridgewater is a nice player, but he's not at the same level as Geno Smith in terms of tools, arm and presence.

Tajh Boyd is decent and has improved, but he's not Russell Wilson by any stretch.

IMO, the best two QB's of this class are Chuckie Keeton of Utah State (absolute winner with a great arm and excellent athleticism - reminds me of a smaller Colin Kaepernick at the same stage) and Marcus Mariota of Oregon. Both are very accurate, athletic with very good arms. Both are winners. Both are coming off superb 2012 seasons and aren't getting any attention from the national press for whatever reason. But both will be juniors and might not even declare. I'd take Keeton in a heartbeat if I were the Chiefs.

And we won't draft a QB next year.....so it doesn't matter.

Lex Luthor
05-06-2013, 09:42 AM
Those were moves in which he had nothing to trade. When having something like Grienke or Myers so far the dividends have been good. I consider having 2 2nd round picks to part with having something of significance to give up. With 2 2nd round picks you better get something better in return than Alex ****ing Smiff!
The point is that you're just fine with Dayton Moore NOW. You would have fired him before his team played a single game if you acted then the way you are acting now.

Sweet Daddy Hate
05-06-2013, 09:42 AM
"Sweet Daddy, why dont you add more to the conversation and post legitimate football related takes"? Why indeed?
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BigCatDaddy
05-06-2013, 09:46 AM
The point is that you're just fine with Dayton Moore NOW. You would have fired him before his team played a single game if you acted then the way you are acting now.

No, I wouldn't have. You're comparing apples and oranges. An NFL franchise can be turned around 1 one year. You're making more out of my statement than was intended. Basically it's just a shot that the Chiefs are making more idiotic moves. Same shit different guys.

Skyy God
05-06-2013, 09:46 AM
Something is missing here. So what if Alex Smith is injured and we go 8-8 with Daniels? Do we still owe a 2nd? Alex Smith staying healthy is a bigger issue I would think when it comes to a conditional pick. So this report seems kind of off.

The part that's missing is the Chiefs' competency.

Saccopoo
05-06-2013, 09:48 AM
I haven't said Geno or bust although that is who I would have been happy with. They could have given a FA a chance to redeem himself like a Vince Young and tell Clark Hunt that we are keeping options open at quarterback going into next years draft and we are going to build this team through the draft if it takes a couple years to get the right guy then it takes a couple years to get the right guy.

Heavens if we would draft quarterbacks in back to back years after going 30 years not drafting a quarterback in the first round.

Fuck that Vince Young shit. We could have signed Jason Campbell as a unrestricted free agent really cheap and still got a guy with a better arm and upside than Alex Smith.

Hell, I'll be surprised if Jason Campbell isn't the Browns starting QB this season over Weeden, and the Browns only paid him 3.75 million over two years. That's fucking cheaper than what we paid for that fat midget to back up Alex Smith.

Lex Luthor
05-06-2013, 09:48 AM
Those were moves in which he had nothing to trade. When having something like Grienke or Myers so far the dividends have been good. The early moves were basically trading shit for shit. Which would be more along the lines of trading a 5th round pick for Smith, because than you are trading shit for shit. I consider having 2 2nd round picks to part with having something of significance to give up. With 2 2nd round picks you better get something better in return than Alex ****ing Smiff!

Seriously? Leo Nunez (AKA Juan Carlos Oviedo) immediately became the closer for the Marlins. His save totals for the first 3 years with the team were 26, 30, and 36. That doesn't sound like shit to me. However, Mike Jacobs, the guy the Royals got for Nunez, WAS shit.

Face it: You are holding Reid and Dorsey to a different standard than GMDM. You shouldn't have brought up GMDM.

Lex Luthor
05-06-2013, 09:50 AM
**** that Vince Young shit. We could have signed Jason Campbell as a unrestricted free agent really cheap and still got a guy with a better arm and upside than Alex Smith.

Hell, I'll be surprised if Jason Campbell isn't the Browns starting QB this season over Weeden, and the Browns only paid him 3.75 million over two years. That's ****ing cheaper than what we paid for that fat midget to back up Alex Smith.
Jason Campbell is the guy I hoped the Chiefs would pick up as their stopgap.

Saccopoo
05-06-2013, 09:51 AM
None of those guys are going to win you a Super Bowl in the next couple of seasons...

Take the best option to mentor a developmental QB, ie. Tyler Bray.

Let Tyler learn the playbook and mature for a season or two under Smith like Kaep did.

You're assuming that Tyler Bray has the capacity to actually sit down in front of a book and look at words, structure them into sentences and then comprehend their meaning.

That's a pretty big assumption my friend.

DumbHillbillies
05-06-2013, 09:52 AM
Dissapoint

Titty Meat
05-06-2013, 09:54 AM
Here's to a 6-10 season!

DumbHillbillies
05-06-2013, 09:54 AM
Dissapointing...I thought the second rounder barrier would of been higher. Essentially theyre saying if we go .500 that's good enough.

Mr_Tomahawk
05-06-2013, 09:56 AM
You're assuming that Tyler Bray has the capacity to actually sit down in front of a book and look at words, structure them into sentences and then comprehend their meaning.

That's a pretty big assumption my friend.

Yes, I know.

The guy had the best arm in the draft and we got him for pennies. It will become fairly evident within the season, I guess, whether or not he possesses the aptitude to learn an NFL playbook.

If he is as dumb as he comes off....bring in another QB next year. I hate the Alex Smith trade. But with the options out there, I would rather have him come in and mentor a developmental guy than any other option out there.

MahiMike
05-06-2013, 09:57 AM
Man this is gonna really bring us down after we win the Superbowl this year!

BigCatDaddy
05-06-2013, 09:57 AM
Seriously? Leo Nunez (AKA Juan Carlos Oviedo) immediately became the closer for the Marlins. His save totals for the first 3 years with the team were 26, 30, and 36. That doesn't sound like shit to me. However, Mike Jacobs, the guy the Royals got for Nunez, WAS shit.

Face it: You are holding Reid and Dorsey to a different standard than GMDM. You shouldn't have brought up GMDM.

Yes. Because a ****ing relief pitcher in baseball is the same as an NFL Qb. So you're right. I do hold the Chiefs to a higher standard in obtaining a QB than I am in the Royals trading a relief pitcher who most felt his body would fall apart over time.

I'm not going to make this a Chiefs/Royals pissing match because only a moran can't see the differences between a cash strapped MLB franchise and and the Chiefs. Reid/Dorsey go ass raped in this trade and only the biggest of homers would feel differently.

They should really consider bringing in someone that is able to evaluate player and draft pick trade values. While Reid has a nice history as a coach and Dorsey as college talent evaluator they could use some help in valuing picks and NFL player value.

Jakemall
05-06-2013, 09:58 AM
I think some of you are looking at this wrong...

The 9ers aren't saying we only believe Alex will get the Chiefs to 8-8 and then we want a 2nd. They're saying the Chiefs were a VERY bad team last season and no matter what they do, with Alex on the team, the Chiefs will at least go 8-8 and that is worth a 2nd.

the Talking Can
05-06-2013, 10:00 AM
I think some of you are looking at this wrong...

The 9ers aren't saying we only believe Alex will get the Chiefs to 8-8 and then we want a 2nd. They're saying the Chiefs were a VERY bad team last season and no matter what they do, with Alex on the team, the Chiefs will at least go 8-8 and that is worth a 2nd.

wow, the poop smells differently if you hold your nose

what is the value of 8-8 to us, again?

besides insuring we won't be in position to draft a risk-free QB?

Rasputin
05-06-2013, 10:02 AM
I think some of you are looking at this wrong...

The 9ers aren't saying we only believe Alex will get the Chiefs to 8-8 and then we want a 2nd. They're saying the Chiefs were a VERY bad team last season and no matter what they do, with Alex on the team, the Chiefs will at least go 8-8 and that is worth a 2nd.

**True Fan gif**

BigCatDaddy
05-06-2013, 10:04 AM
I think some of you are looking at this wrong...

The 9ers aren't saying we only believe Alex will get the Chiefs to 8-8 and then we want a 2nd. They're saying the Chiefs were a VERY bad team last season and no matter what they do, with Alex on the team, the Chiefs will at least go 8-8 and that is worth a 2nd.

The Niners would have made that 4-12 if the Chiefs would have taken it dumbass.

Jakemall
05-06-2013, 10:05 AM
wow, the poop smells differently if you hold your nose

what is the value of 8-8 to us, again?

besides insuring we won't be in position to draft a risk-free QB?

The difference between wanting to have a paper bag over your head when you go to a game and knowing that your team is at least average?

You're locked on the 8-8 number. Just because the manufacturer of your car warrenties the car for 100k doesn't mean you won't get twice that.

In this case, if you don't you don't pay the 2nd.

the Talking Can
05-06-2013, 10:06 AM
The difference between wanting to have a paper bag over your head when you go to a game and knowing that your team is at least average?

You're locked on the 8-8 number. Just because the manufacturer of your car warrenties the car for 100k doesn't mean you won't get twice that.

In this case, if you don't you don't pay the 2nd.

so we paid a 2nd for the value of "knowing your team is at least average"



sounds about right

Hog's Gone Fishin
05-06-2013, 10:06 AM
If we're sitting at 7-8 with one game to go I'd sure be playing our 3rd string the last game thats for sure.

Jakemall
05-06-2013, 10:07 AM
The Niners would have made that 4-12 if the Chiefs would have taken it dumbass.

I didn't know you could read Reid and Dorsey's minds. Wow....I guess we'll have to come to you moving forward for insight.

BigCatDaddy
05-06-2013, 10:07 AM
The difference between wanting to have a paper bag over your head when you go to a game and knowing that your team is at least average?

You're locked on the 8-8 number. Just because the manufacturer of your car warrenties the car for 100k doesn't mean you won't get twice that.

In this case, if you don't you don't pay the 2nd.

Who's the mult? Mods?

Rasputin
05-06-2013, 10:07 AM
The difference between wanting to have a paper bag over your head when you go to a game and knowing that your team is at least average?

You're locked on the 8-8 number. Just because the manufacturer of your car warrenties the car for 100k doesn't mean you won't get twice that.

In this case, if you don't you don't pay the 2nd.

If I sold you a box of shit with a guarantee it's still a box of shit.

the Talking Can
05-06-2013, 10:08 AM
If I were a salesman, I'd pay a premium for the list with Chiefs fan phone numbers...

Jakemall
05-06-2013, 10:13 AM
so we paid a 2nd for the value of "knowing your team is at least average"



sounds about right

Paid a 2nd for knowing that the team is at least average because one guy was added to the team and not one other change made...oh and what was the record last season?

Q: How many teams would pay 2 2nds for one guy that would guarantee them 6 additional wins in a season?

Answer: Most of them

Jakemall
05-06-2013, 10:14 AM
If we're sitting at 7-8 with one game to go I'd sure be playing our 3rd string the last game thats for sure.

That seems pretty reasonable.

Hootie
05-06-2013, 10:17 AM
If John Dorsey were worth a squirrel fart, he'd be drafting great players with those 2nd rounders just like the Ravens, Packers, Seahawks, 49ers, and every other team with a great GM does.

You've never known a franchise to do anything else but piss away a 2nd round pick on Javier Arenas, so that's what the pick means to you.

In the meantime, we passed up an opportunity to draft some pretty damn good ****ing players with this year's 2nd rounder. I can't wait until next year to find out what kind of stellar athletes won't be on our team all because of Alex ****ing Smith.
LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

I can't believe I'm going to have to do this. (again)

HemiEd
05-06-2013, 10:18 AM
8-8.....really shooting for the ****ing moon there..
Butts in the seats


If Alex Smith leads us into the playoffs then it was worth it.Alex Smith may manage the talented roster into the playoffs, but it won't be because of him.



If we go from the worst team in football, a national joke......... to the playoffs the next year, it was draft picks well spent.
The worst team in football with 6 pro bowlers, oh yeah it will be because of that trade that the team gets to 10 and 6.

ptlyon
05-06-2013, 10:21 AM
I'm not sure if this has been said, but Alex Smith sucks

scho63
05-06-2013, 10:21 AM
The way the 49ers are building up all the extra picks year after year, they might be up to 20 picks soon. JFC what a sharp organization they have.....

Hootie
05-06-2013, 10:23 AM
Packers 2nd round picks since 2006:

2006: Daryn Colledge; Greg Jennings
2007: Brandon Jackson
2008: Jordy Nelson; Brian Brohm; Patrick Lee
2009: none
2010: Mike Neal
2011: Randall Cobb
2012: Jerel Worthy

So they are good at selecting receivers...but how much does a guy like Aaron Rodgers help their development? Would they be considered good with Matt Cassel? Other than the receivers...big fucking deal. We land guys like this in the 2nd round all of the time.

Moving on to the Ravens.

HemiEd
05-06-2013, 10:25 AM
Because we were furiously working to outbid several other teams.



A combination of business and football acumen.

The Chiefs need to be competitive, and you're not getting that with Carson Palmer, Kevin Kolb, Matt Flynn, Geno Smith, or Matt Barkley. You're getting it from Alex Smith.

Build a team around him for a year, then see what you can do to get The Guy.
You still believe that?

The next, "that guy" is going to be the next re-tread failure to give the fans a reason to have optimism that the team can "get to the playoffs."

Hootie
05-06-2013, 10:26 AM
Ravens:

2006: Chris Chester
2007: N/A
2008: Ray Rice
2009: Paul Kruger
2010: Sergio Kindle; Terrence Cody
2011: Torrey Smith
2012: Courtney Upshaw; Kelechi Osemele

Few good, few busts.

the Talking Can
05-06-2013, 10:27 AM
one team is doing it right, one isn't...couldn't be more clear

one drafted a QB, then another when that didn't work out...then traded the bust for multiple picks...Superbowl

the other (cough chiefs cough) never drafted a QB...then traded multiple picks for a bust backup...




ain't science

Chief_For_Life58
05-06-2013, 10:29 AM
Ravens:

2006: Chris Chester
2007: N/A
2008: Ray Rice
2009: Paul Kruger
2010: Sergio Kindle; Terrence Cody
2011: Torrey Smith
2012: Courtney Upshaw; Kelechi Osemele

Few good, few busts.

what happened to sergio kindle? did he retire cus he broke his skull open falling down the stairs?

Hootie
05-06-2013, 10:31 AM
one team is doing it right, one isn't...couldn't be more clear

one drafted a QB, then another when that didn't work out...then traded the bust for multiple picks...Superbowl

the other (cough chiefs cough) never drafted a QB...then traded multiple picks for a bust backup...




ain't science

we traded Chris Chester and Ray Rice for Alex Smith.

big fucking deal

or did you want another year with Brady Quinn and Matt Cassel?

or did you want to take Geno Smith #1 when he went #39?

...

Hootie
05-06-2013, 10:32 AM
did people expect this conditional 2nd to only be a 2nd if we went 14-2 and Alex Smith won the MVP?

...I'm not quite sure what everyone is up in arms about

we've known this for a long time now

HemiEd
05-06-2013, 10:32 AM
next year we'll be 8-8 with no 2nd round pick to use for a trade up

according to Chiefs fans, we're going to get our QBOTF in next years draft...and remember, any qb we draft has to be completely risk free like ANDREW LUCK OMG!!


genious

Exactly. I don't see how any fan of this team that has been following them even casually, can have any hope this team plans on drafting a QB.

Chief_For_Life58
05-06-2013, 10:33 AM
having to give up a '14 2nd if we go better than 8&8 is pretty shitty but what were our fuckin options? Draft EJ or Geno 1.1 and start em day 1? none of the gms in the league thought they were any good and thats why they fell. I kept forcing myself to believe in Geno but in the end Dorsey and AR got the best qb that was available this offseason. period. Ive come around on it. Weve just gotta pray to baby jesus that they dont extend AS and we see how our qb group plans out in the next 2 years. Chiefs have always sucked so im not really worried about it anymore. Ive made my peace with forever mediocrity.

HemiEd
05-06-2013, 10:34 AM
Luck was a "generational talent," and the Chiefs weren't in a position to draft him.

Welp, there's always hope for the next generation.

For the next few years it will be: They were already off the board by our pick, and we didn't have the ammo or a trade partner to move up.

Chief_For_Life58
05-06-2013, 10:35 AM
For the next few years it will be: They were already off the board by our pick, and we didn't have the ammo or a trade partner to move up.

Dorsey knows what hes doing. If theres a qb in reach, he'll trade up for him. He knows the value of a qb and he knows what it takes to win in the modern nfl, a qb.

RunKC
05-06-2013, 10:38 AM
I'm pretty sure that the 2014 QB draft class isn't as good as the 2013. Logan Thomas was downright horrible this past season and wanted to come out, but was basically forced back into school through his own terrible play. He's a hobo's version of EJ Manuel.

Aaron Murray is as up and down as you can find at the QB spot and has never played up to the competition. Comparable to Ryan Nassib.

Teddy Bridgewater is a nice player, but he's not at the same level as Geno Smith in terms of tools, arm and presence.

Tajh Boyd is decent and has improved, but he's not Russell Wilson by any stretch.

IMO, the best two QB's of this class are Chuckie Keeton of Utah State (absolute winner with a great arm and excellent athleticism - reminds me of a smaller Colin Kaepernick at the same stage) and Marcus Mariota of Oregon. Both are very accurate, athletic with very good arms. Both are winners. Both are coming off superb 2012 seasons and aren't getting any attention from the national press for whatever reason. But both will be juniors and might not even declare. I'd take Keeton in a heartbeat if I were the Chiefs.

JFC you are stupid. Teddy Bridgewater looks like a very good QB prospect and he's easily better than Geno Smith in almost every single facet.

Mav
05-06-2013, 10:45 AM
Butts in the seats


Alex Smith may manage the talented roster into the playoffs, but it won't be because of him.




The worst team in football with 6 pro bowlers, oh yeah it will be because of that trade that the team gets to 10 and 6.

Fair point. But if you were going into another season with Matt Cassel, or Brady Quinn, you would be picking top 5 again. At the very least, Alex Smith is not going to turn the ball over......That in it of itself, is reason enough to justify 2 2nd round picks. A qb that wont cost you games. Remember, more games are lost, than won. Statistics back that up.

ChiefaRoo
05-06-2013, 10:47 AM
Can you imagine if we go 8-8, then come draft time we will be holding about the 17th pick in the first round and no second round pick. I literally cannot comprehend a situation like that.

KC needs a Guard in the first. No worries. :)

BigRedChief
05-06-2013, 10:49 AM
The worst team in football with 6 pro bowlers, oh yeah it will be because of that trade that the team gets to 10 and 6.The pro bowl is a joke. Matt Cassell was a pro bowler.

I consider last years team the worst in football and a national joke. When Leno/Fallon are making jokes about how much you suck............ thats the definition of a national joke of a team.

If we go to the playoffs it will because of Reif/Dorsey's moves not because of ***** stocked the team with talent.

HemiEd
05-06-2013, 10:51 AM
Dorsey knows what hes doing. If theres a qb in reach, he'll trade up for him. He knows the value of a qb and he knows what it takes to win in the modern nfl, a qb..
http://i40.tinypic.com/wcjrwz.jpg

Mav
05-06-2013, 10:55 AM
The pro bowl is a joke. Matt Cassell was a pro bowler.

I consider last years team the worst in football and a national joke. When Leno/Fallon are making jokes about how much you suck............ thats the definition of a national joke of a team.

If we go to the playoffs it will because of Reif/Dorsey's moves not because of ***** stocked the team with talent.

and reids coaching. It will be amazing to see what an Nfl offense looks like compared to brian Dabolls pee wee play book.....

HemiEd
05-06-2013, 10:58 AM
The pro bowl is a joke. Matt Cassell was a pro bowler.

I consider last years team the worst in football and a national joke. When Leno/Fallon are making jokes about how much you suck............ thats the definition of a national joke of a team.

If we go to the playoffs it will because of Reif/Dorsey's moves not because of ***** stocked the team with talent.

:LOL: Cassel went to the probowl because he was an alternate and the team was 10 and 6 while beating nobody.

This team has been the Leno joke many times in the last few years, nothing new. Right now this team has more talent IMO than it has in many years, except behind center.

If you have been following my posts, I was very skeptical of the RAC hire as HC, and that, along with absolute shit at the coordinator positions, was a large part of the fail along with Cassel.

This team should go 8-8 with anyone behind center other than Cassel, and a HC and coordinators that can spell their own names correctly twice in a row.

saphojunkie
05-06-2013, 11:02 AM
Perfect season?

Win 7 games at home by thirty points each.

Lose 9 other games by one point.

In last game of season, Alex Smith is benched for Chase Daniel who breaks his finger (by getting punched in nose har har har kill me).

Chiefs keep 2nd round pick, have top 10 draft pick. Draft QB. Profit.

RealSNR
05-06-2013, 11:04 AM
Packers 2nd round picks since 2006:

2006: Daryn Colledge; Greg Jennings
2007: Brandon Jackson
2008: Jordy Nelson; Brian Brohm; Patrick Lee
2009: none
2010: Mike Neal
2011: Randall Cobb
2012: Jerel Worthy

So they are good at selecting receivers...but how much does a guy like Aaron Rodgers help their development? Would they be considered good with Matt Cassel? Other than the receivers...big fucking deal. We land guys like this in the 2nd round all of the time.

Moving on to the Ravens.

Three starting WRs (Cobb will be the WR2 in place of Jennings this season) a starting LG, and a starting DL.

If the Chiefs had the likelihood of hitting that much on 2nd round picks, I guarantee you most of the posters here wouldn't be up for pissing them away on Alex Smiths.

(And yes, I used "pissed away" correctly. Check the lexicon.)

patteeu
05-06-2013, 11:05 AM
Most of the people complaining about 2 second round picks for Alex Smith would have loved the reach-tastic risk of using the 1.1 on Geno Smith. Good grief.

Mav
05-06-2013, 11:06 AM
Three starting WRs (Cobb will be the WR2 in place of Jennings this season) a starting LG, and a starting DL.

If the Chiefs had the likelihood of hitting that much on 2nd round picks, I guarantee you most of the posters here wouldn't be up for pissing them away on Alex Smiths.

(And yes, I used "pissed away" correctly. Check the lexicon.)

probably not on Cobb.

James Jones, the reason they let Greg Jennings leave, and let donald driver retire, is going to be their two. They will use Randall Cobb as a jack of all trades. Slot, running back, kick returner. Cobb is not an outside receiver. the rest is accurate though.

RealSNR
05-06-2013, 11:06 AM
5 hits, 4 misses for the Packers in the 2nd round since 2006.

Those picks are practically worthless!

RealSNR
05-06-2013, 11:07 AM
Most of the people complaining about 2 second round picks for Alex Smith would have loved the reach-tastic risk of using the 1.1 on Geno Smith. Good grief.

Even haters like you put a 2nd round grade on Geno Smith.

You're calling that a reach? In your own goddamn universe that's not a reach.

Mav
05-06-2013, 11:08 AM
Most of the people complaining about 2 second round picks for Alex Smith would have loved the reach-tastic risk of using the 1.1 on Geno Smith. Good grief.

well of course. Even though, Geno Smith is showing quickly, how he is incapable of being a mature, professional, while Mark Sanchez is burying him with professionalism, even though he knows that he has as good a chance surviving this season in new york, as i do all day out in the desert with no water, taking him, would show the malcontents that HEY WE ARE TRYING GUYS. never mind that this guy is GARBAGE, we at least tried......

Hootie
05-06-2013, 11:09 AM
5 hits, 4 misses for the Packers in the 2nd round since 2006.

Those picks are practically worthless!

Yeah...they didn't do so bad. Aaron Rodgers probably helps considering three of the hits are receivers....

But I'm still not seeing why Randall Cobb and Daryn Colledge for Alex Smith upsets this idiotic fan base so much?

Darn...we traded Brandon Flowers and Dexter McCluster for Alex Smith.

The world ends.

Mav
05-06-2013, 11:10 AM
5 hits, 4 misses for the Packers in the 2nd round since 2006.

Those picks are practically worthless!

who is the starting lg you are talking about? Colledge plays for the cardinals. Their starting lg is now sitton, they are moving tj ward to right, who was their starter at lg last year.

They essentially hit on three receivers. Failed horribly on a qb, (cut him in training camp to keep matt flynn) they miss on as many draft picks as anyone else.

Hootie
05-06-2013, 11:15 AM
And if starting is your definition of hit...name a recent 2nd round pick that hasn't started for us....?

Cobb, Jennings and Nelson are totally legit.

But how great would they be with Matt Cassel?

...and what is so great about the Ravens drafts?

patteeu
05-06-2013, 11:22 AM
Even haters like you put a 2nd round grade on Geno Smith.

You're calling that a reach? In your own goddamn universe that's not a reach.

I didn't put a grade on Geno Smith. I don't grade prospects.

Using the 1.1 on Geno Smith, which you were advocating, is undeniably a reach given the way the draft actually fell.

And I'm not a hater. I pity the Geno Mafia, I don't hate you. I have no feelings at all about Geno Smith other than I'm glad he's not a Chief now that we find out that Nolan Nawrocki was right about him.

BigCatDaddy
05-06-2013, 11:26 AM
did people expect this conditional 2nd to only be a 2nd if we went 14-2 and Alex Smith won the MVP?

...I'm not quite sure what everyone is up in arms about

we've known this for a long time now

I think these stipulations are usually done considering the performance of a player and the few team ones I remember involved playoff/superbowl escalators. I'm believe this may be the first time ever going 500 caused a pick to escalate. Maybe someone can show up past trades that involved escalating draft picks?

Here was Palmers

The Raiders are hoping he can do a lot, having traded a 2012 first-round pick and a conditional second-rounder in 2013 that can become another first if Oakland makes it to the AFC title game in either of the next two years

SAUTO
05-06-2013, 11:31 AM
I didn't put a grade on Geno Smith. I don't grade prospects.

Using the 1.1 on Geno Smith, which you were advocating, is undeniably a reach given the way the draft actually fell.

And I'm not a hater. I pity the Geno Mafia, I don't hate you. I have no feelings at all about Geno Smith other than I'm glad he's not a Chief now that we find out that Nolan Nawrocki was right about him.

ummmmm... we actually havent found out anything about any of the players just drafted.

jkw87
05-06-2013, 11:32 AM
Why can't more people think like this guy before losing it? Yeah, overpriced... But it had to be done.

the Talking Can
05-06-2013, 11:36 AM
we hired dorsey for his excellence in drafting, and for his belief in building teams through the draft...


Chiefs fans: "2nd round draft picks don't matter"

Then why did the 49ers trade for two second round picks?

Chiefs fans: "herp...."


it is, at the point, literally impossible for this fanbase to be any dumber...

Lex Luthor
05-06-2013, 11:40 AM
we hired dorsey for his excellence in drafting, and for his belief in building teams through the draft...


Chiefs fans: "2nd round draft picks don't matter"

Then why did the 49ers trade for two second round picks?

Chiefs fans: "herp...."


it is, at the point, literally impossible for this fanbase to be any dumber...

At least you are trying to understanding the opposing viewpoint instead of just calling anyone who disagrees with you "dumb".

SAUTO
05-06-2013, 11:41 AM
we hired dorsey for his excellence in drafting, and for his belief in building teams through the draft...


Chiefs fans: "2nd round draft picks don't matter"

Then why did the 49ers trade for two second round picks?

Chiefs fans: "herp...."


it is, at the point, literally impossible for this fanbase to be any dumber...
and then add in these stupid fucking 9er fan/fans (im still not convinced they arent the same person) and we have so much idiocy to deal with its almost enough to make me want to log off and kick myself in the nuts every time i think about logging in.

we've got alexsmithfan who acts as though he has seen every chiefs game ever played and keyed in on all the players. and all his mults.

fuck these guys

the Talking Can
05-06-2013, 11:41 AM
At least you are trying to understanding the opposing viewpoint instead of just calling anyone who disagrees with you "dumb".

i don't give a shit about people's fee fees

i'm trying to make dumb people understand their own insane stupidity

using 8-8 as benchmark of value is insane...and the Chiefs did it

and it is fucking stupid

patteeu
05-06-2013, 11:57 AM
ummmmm... we actually havent found out anything about any of the players just drafted.

Of course we did. We found out how expensive they are and we've learned more about why teams weren't willing to pay the price that Geno's physical talent normally commands.

ShowtimeSBMVP
05-06-2013, 11:57 AM
i don't give a shit about people's fee fees

i'm trying to make dumb people understand their own insane stupidity

using 8-8 as benchmark of value is insane...and the Chiefs did it

and it is ****ing stupid

8-8 would be a huge improvement. Open your eyes this team was competitive in only 4 games in 2012. Everything else was a nightmare.

BigCatDaddy
05-06-2013, 12:00 PM
8-8 would be a huge improvement. Open your eyes this team was competitive in only 4 games in 2012. Everything else was a nightmare.

It's ****ing hard to win only 2 games. They could have brought back *****, Romeo and Cassell and still won 4-6 games this year with the schedule.

As far as I can tell from my research escalating a pick if a team finishes 500 is unprecedented. The 9ers bent the Chiefs over in this deal.

Rausch
05-06-2013, 12:01 PM
8-8 would be a huge improvement. Open your eyes this team was competitive in only 4 games in 2012. Everything else was a nightmare.

When you have two turnovers on your side of the field in the first quarter $3it goes bad quick...

mnchiefsguy
05-06-2013, 12:03 PM
Well, I guess it is official now....the Chiefs got fleeced on the trade. Paid way too much for a qb nobody wanted in free agency the year before.

The Niners come out smelling like roses...if the Chiefs do well, the get a mid to late second...and if the Chiefs stink...then they will get a high third.

Hootie
05-06-2013, 12:03 PM
by golly gee I'm so mad we traded Brandon Flowers and Dexter McCluster or Daryn Colledge and Greg Jennings for Alex Smith.

we should have just kept the picks and given Stanzi his shot!

ChiefsCountry
05-06-2013, 12:03 PM
Actually the 49ers got even more compensation for the Alex Smith. Remember they traded down with the Titans on draft day. Moved down to #40, got a 7th round pick and a 3rd next year.

Essentially the 49ers got for Alex Smith.
Two Second Round Picks
1 Third Round Pick
7th Round Pick

Damn all of that for a shitty quarterback.

Hootie
05-06-2013, 12:04 PM
god forbid our new regime comes in and wants to get the best available QB

did I miss this extension they gave him?

seems like he's playing on a team friendly contract and if he blows; he blows

I missed this big extension he was given I guess.

ShowtimeSBMVP
05-06-2013, 12:05 PM
It's ****ing hard to win only 2 games. They could have brought back *****, Romeo and Cassell and still won 4-6 games this year with the schedule.

As far as I can tell from my research escalating a pick if a team finishes 500 is unprecedented. The 9ers bent the Chiefs over in this deal.

Did the Falcons bend over the Texans when they got Schaub? They got 2 2nd round picks too. It's the going rate for QB's

Titty Meat
05-06-2013, 12:05 PM
god forbid our new regime comes in and wants to get the best available QB

did I miss this extension they gave him?

seems like he's playing on a team friendly contract and if he blows; he blows

I missed this big extension he was given I guess.

Yeah if he blows we only gave up 2 good picks. No big deal.

Hootie
05-06-2013, 12:05 PM
how is Alex Smith a shitty QB?

he is what he is

but people are grossly overreacting about how "bad" he is

some of you people are just miserable human beings

Hootie
05-06-2013, 12:06 PM
Yeah if he blows we only gave up 2 good picks. No big deal.

yep

because Daryn Colledge and Greg Jennings would have turned this franchise around

HemiEd
05-06-2013, 12:07 PM
and then add in these stupid ****ing 9er fan/fans (im still not convinced they arent the same person) and we have so much idiocy to deal with its almost enough to make me want to log off and kick myself in the nuts every time i think about logging in.

we've got alexsmithfan who acts as though he has seen every chiefs game ever played and keyed in on all the players. and all his mults.

**** these guys

The ignore function works wonders for posters like this.

Hootie
05-06-2013, 12:08 PM
FLIP SIDE

what if he's good?

what if his success the last few years developed some confidence and swagger and suddenly he plays a lot like Trent Green?

you guys play your what if games and I'll play mine

he only ended his season on an absolute tear...playing the best football of his life

KCDC
05-06-2013, 12:12 PM
Dorsey knows what hes doing. If theres a qb in reach, he'll trade up for him. He knows the value of a qb and he knows what it takes to win in the modern nfl, a qb.

Trade up with what? He has traded away our second pick and with an 8-8 record next year, we'll have the #16th pick. No chance to get an elite QB with that. We have to wait for QBs with "issues" to fall to us at #16 or in the third round. Same crap we had this year.

HemiEd
05-06-2013, 12:12 PM
god forbid our new regime comes in and wants to get the best available QB

did I miss this extension they gave him?

seems like he's playing on a team friendly contract and if he blows; he blows

I missed this big extension he was given I guess.
That works both ways. The pain is only guaranteed for one season, but then again, those picks were given up for one season.

There is no reasonable defense for giving up those two picks for a mediocre at best QB for one season, or 6. The fact that multiple 2nds have been wasted by this franchise over the years, does not excuse this mistake.

Lex Luthor
05-06-2013, 12:15 PM
Trade up with what? He has traded away our second pick and with an 8-8 record next year, we'll have the #16th pick. No chance to get an elite QB with that. We have to wait for QBs with "issues" to fall to us at #16 or in the third round. Same crap we had this year.
Geno Smith was drafted with the #39 pick. Just sayin'.

Hootie
05-06-2013, 12:15 PM
I wasn't thrilled with the move, but I understand it.

I've seen good things from Alex Smith and I expect him to perform well. At least I can have optimism for 2013.

HemiEd
05-06-2013, 12:16 PM
FLIP SIDE

what if he's good?

what if his success the last few years developed some confidence and swagger and suddenly he plays a lot like Trent Green?

you guys play your what if games and I'll play mine

he only ended his season on an absolute tear...playing the best football of his life

There is the problem.
With the best running game in the NFL, Trent Green didn't win a playoff game. I don't want to settle for another Trent Green.

But hey, at least they had that 13 and 3 season and the 9 and 7 back into the playoffs year! Woot!

Now cue up the "defense sucked so bad that they didn't win in the playoffs" posts. Last I checked, the Colts didn't make the Chiefs punt either, but they won!

Chief Roundup
05-06-2013, 12:18 PM
Vaginas are bleeding again I see.

BigCatDaddy
05-06-2013, 12:18 PM
by golly gee I'm so mad we traded Brandon Flowers and Dexter McCluster or Daryn Colledge and Greg Jennings for Alex Smith.

we should have just kept the picks and given Stanzi his shot!

Nice straw man.

ChiliConCarnage
05-06-2013, 12:18 PM
god forbid our new regime comes in and wants to get the best available QB

did I miss this extension they gave him?

seems like he's playing on a team friendly contract and if he blows; he blows

I missed this big extension he was given I guess.

are you carrying on one conversation as Hootie in this thread... ?

and another as the Talking Can?


you both have the exact same posting style and it's pretty unique...

you both like to use ellipses a lot even before or after questions marks

you tend to use lower case letters to start new sentences but capitalize nouns

you like to post in quick sentences a lot followed by double or triple spaces

I can't imagine any person doing that but when scrolling through this thread they looked incredibly similar

ChiefsCountry
05-06-2013, 12:18 PM
FLIP SIDE

what if he's good?

what if his success the last few years developed some confidence and swagger and suddenly he plays a lot like Trent Green?

you guys play your what if games and I'll play mine

he only ended his season on an absolute tear...playing the best football of his life

He played well but he never threw the ball and when he did they lost. Andy Reid since 1999 has averaged 35 pass attempts per game. Smith only did that once last year and lost. He threw the ball 30 or more times 3 times. They went 1-2. 3 TDs and 4 Ints. If Reid plays normal Reid football we are screwed. If Reid plays MartyBall we might win some games.

Lex Luthor
05-06-2013, 12:19 PM
There is the problem.
With the best running game in the NFL, Trent Green didn't win a playoff game. I don't want to settle for another Trent Green.

But hey, at least they had that 13 and 3 season and the 9 and 7 back into the playoffs year! Woot!

Now cue up the "defense sucked so bad that they didn't win in the playoffs" posts. Last I checked, the Colts didn't make the Chiefs punt either, but they won!
The definition of going full retard: Blaming Trent Green for losing in the playoffs when the offense was great and the defense was among the worst in the NFL.

Hootie
05-06-2013, 12:20 PM
we wouldn't settle for another Trent Green?

LMAO

BigCatDaddy
05-06-2013, 12:20 PM
Did the Falcons bend over the Texans when they got Schaub? They got 2 2nd round picks too. It's the going rate for QB's

No. Schaub wasn young and has upside and can throw the ball downfield. Schaub > Smith

Hootie
05-06-2013, 12:21 PM
If Alex Smith gave us what Trent Green gave us that was an absolute STEAL of a trade for us.

The Rams selected Damione Lewis with our 1st for Trent.

This is a DaneMcCloud argument. He said the trade for Trent was a fail because we didn't win. He also said the 4th for Roaf was a fail for the same reason.

and I continue to say that's the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard

Titty Meat
05-06-2013, 12:22 PM
yep

because Daryn Colledge and Greg Jennings would have turned this franchise around

You would take a few seasons of an average QB over 10 years of production from the other 2 mentioned?

Hootie
05-06-2013, 12:22 PM
I would say Matt Schaub is a fair comparison to Alex Smith.

I think Alex Smith can be Matt Schaub.

Not sexy, I agree. It would take a total team effort for us to do any real damage in games that matter. I get that.

but someone please point to a QB this year that the Chiefs could have gotten that fits the mold of someone better than Trent Green

BigCatDaddy
05-06-2013, 12:24 PM
FLIP SIDE

what if he's good?

what if his success the last few years developed some confidence and swagger and suddenly he plays a lot like Trent Green?

you guys play your what if games and I'll play mine

he only ended his season on an absolute tear...playing the best football of his life

That tear avg'd about 180 yards per game passing.

ChiefsCountry
05-06-2013, 12:25 PM
If Alex Smith gave us what Trent Green gave us that was an absolute STEAL of a trade for us.

The Rams selected Damione Lewis with our 1st for Trent.

This is a DaneMcCloud argument. He said the trade for Trent was a fail because we didn't win. He also said the 4th for Roaf was a fail for the same reason.

and I continue to say that's the dumbest ****ing thing I've ever heard

Of course the other option was Drew Brees, who was the #1 number player on our draft board at that slot.

HemiEd
05-06-2013, 12:26 PM
The definition of going full retard: Blaming Trent Green for losing in the playoffs when the offense was great and the defense was among the worst in the NFL. Read much? Please show me where I blamed him.
He just wasn't good enough to overcome a bad defense.
He wasn't as good as he needed to be, but Peyton Manning was.
I want a QB that is fucking good enough to win in the playoffs no matter the hand he is dealt! Like a Joe Montana or similar.
Why do the Chiefs always have to wear "hand me down clothes" with holes in them?

we wouldn't settle for another Trent Green?

LMAO

That is what you want? Well if it is, Alex Smith just might be able to reach that lofty goal. Enjoy. The legend continues to grow.

Lex Luthor
05-06-2013, 12:30 PM
Read much? Please show me where I blamed him.
He just wasn't good enough to overcome a bad defense.
He wasn't as good as he needed to be, but Peyton Manning was.

That is what you want? Well if it is, Alex Smith just might be able to reach that lofty goal. Enjoy. The legend continues to grow.
So now Peyton Manning is the standard? If a quarterback isn't Peyton Manning, he's not worth acquiring?

News flash: There were no Peyton Mannings or Joe Montanas available this year either in free agency or the draft. The closest thing out there is going to start for the Chiefs next season.

Sweet Daddy Hate
05-06-2013, 12:30 PM
Most of the people complaining about 2 second round picks for Alex Smith would have loved the reach-tastic risk of using the 1.1 on Geno Smith. Good grief.

Well, like all the world-beating champions say, "if you're going to reach in this league, DEFINITELY reach for a Tackle or 5-tech", yes.
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Hootie
05-06-2013, 12:37 PM
Of course the other option was Drew Brees, who was the #1 number player on our draft board at that slot.

which is all fine and dandy if you try and forget Drew Brees was a bust and San Diego drafted Eli Manning

he was benched for Doug Flutie

they gave up on him

Rivers' holdout gave him one last chance and he took it and ran.

Ebolapox
05-06-2013, 12:37 PM
chiefs fans: shoot for the moon, settle for two inches off the ground.

BigCatDaddy
05-06-2013, 12:37 PM
If people are expecting Alex Smith to come in and look like Trent Green then I can see why there is such a divide on CP about the guy and compensation.

beer bacon
05-06-2013, 12:38 PM
Alex Smith is not a QB that will ever win a Super Bowl. No team that has Alex Smith as their starting QB will win a Super Bowl. We traded one second and very possibly another second for Alex Smith, who will never win us a Super Bowl. We have not drafted QB in the first round in 30 years. We have numerous times traded picks for other team's trash/backups and made them our starters. This has never won us a Super Bowl. We have not win a playoff game in 20 years. During that time, we have never drafted a QB in the first round but we have on numerous occasions traded for or signed another team's castoff and made him our starting QB. We are putting ourselves farther away from a Super Bowl in exchange for a mediocre QB that will get us some 8-8 seasons and put butts in the seats.

Hootie
05-06-2013, 12:38 PM
my whole thought process was Alex Smith was somewhere between the two Trent's (Dilfer and Green)...

if he reaches his ceiling (Green), it was a damn good trade

and I think we've built an offense and have the right coaches for him to be able to play at that level

and I'll take 3 more years of Trent Green over Brady fucking Quinn 1000 times out of 1000

patteeu
05-06-2013, 12:39 PM
Well, I guess it is official now....the Chiefs got fleeced on the trade. Paid way too much for a qb nobody wanted in free agency the year before.

The Niners come out smelling like roses...if the Chiefs do well, the get a mid to late second...and if the Chiefs stink...then they will get a high third.

Are you saying that a 2nd + 3rd was fine, but a 2nd + 2nd was getting fleeced?

HemiEd
05-06-2013, 12:40 PM
So now Peyton Manning is the standard? If a quarterback isn't Peyton Manning, he's not worth acquiring?

News flash: There were no Peyton Mannings or Joe Montanas available this year either in free agency or the draft. The closest thing out there is going to start for the Chiefs next season.Yes, I want my team to aspire for excellence, instead of leaping at mediocrity, like they have been doing for the last 27 years since Montana hung it up. This year is just the latest version of a long term trend, and I don't see it changing.

The fact that the Chiefs refuse to try to find a QB of their own is my problem.

Oh, lets throw and occasional 3 or 5th at one, and let him sit on the bench until we do it again. Hey we drafted a QB!

patteeu
05-06-2013, 12:43 PM
There is the problem.
With the best running game in the NFL, Trent Green didn't win a playoff game. I don't want to settle for another Trent Green.

But hey, at least they had that 13 and 3 season and the 9 and 7 back into the playoffs year! Woot!

Now cue up the "defense sucked so bad that they didn't win in the playoffs" posts. Last I checked, the Colts didn't make the Chiefs punt either, but they won!

You can try to dismiss that important factor, but I'm sure you remember those days when most of us here at CP thought that all we needed was a Branden Albert quality defense (arguably top ten, but no worse than above average) and we'd have ourselves a legitimate Super Bowl contender.

Hootie
05-06-2013, 12:45 PM
I still contend that, with a healthy Willie Roaf, we were absolutely a super bowl caliber team in 2005.

patteeu
05-06-2013, 12:45 PM
are you carrying on one conversation as Hootie in this thread... ?

and another as the Talking Can?


you both have the exact same posting style and it's pretty unique...

you both like to use ellipses a lot even before or after questions marks

you tend to use lower case letters to start new sentences but capitalize nouns

you like to post in quick sentences a lot followed by double or triple spaces

I can't imagine any person doing that but when scrolling through this thread they looked incredibly similar

I'd like to think The Talking Can is just a wacky character someone's playing rather than a real person who believes the thing he's posting, but I don't think so.

Sweet Daddy Hate
05-06-2013, 12:45 PM
Flags are rising, sirens are going off, Red October is skimming the coastline. Strike One...confirmed.
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