Car people of CP... I need a new car.

[pr_capone]

My Focus SVT's transmission just bit the dust and I am tired of putting money into this damn car. Gonna buy a new one and drive that fucker off the lot.

I would prefer a 2 door car. Hatch is a plus.
I need the car to be sporty/fast as I do autocross.
Manual gearbox.
Around 25k to spend or so.
No GM products.

Suggestions?

[Rain Man]

DeLorean. It meets every requirement you have.

http://www.fastcoexist.com/multisite_files/coexist/imagecache/960/article_feature/delorean-ev-main.jpg

[pr_capone]

DeLorean. It meets every requirement you have.

If I can find one with a working Mr. Fusion... I'll buy it. That said, non fusion powered DeLorean's are slow as snails.

[LoneWolf]

DeLorean. It meets every requirement you have.

http://www.fastcoexist.com/multisite_files/coexist/imagecache/960/article_feature/delorean-ev-main.jpg

He could never go over 88 when doing auto cross. Unless he really wants to go to prom with his mother.

[SAUTO]

My Focus SVT's transmission just bit the dust and I am tired of putting money into this damn car. Gonna buy a new one and drive that fucker off the lot.

I would prefer a 2 door car. Hatch is a plus.
I need the car to be sporty/fast as I do autocross.
Manual gearbox.
Around 25k to spend or so.
No GM products.

Suggestions?
Well GM and manual throw out the cool ass turbo Buick regal two door.
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[Rain Man]

Bricklin could work, too, I guess.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lx9a24tNby1qdcyyeo1_500.jpg

[pr_capone]

Well GM and manual throw out the cool ass turbo Buick regal two door.
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Even then, the Turbo version starts at 32k.

[lewdog]

Subaru BRZ? Roughly 25k.

http://image.motortrend.com/f/roadtests/coupes/1112_2013_subaru_brz/39531732/2013-Subaru-BRZ-cockpit.jpg

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/2013subarubrz.jpg

[SAUTO]

Even then, the Turbo version starts at 32k.

Yeah maybe a little high...


But they DO MAKE IT IN A MANUAL. Lol google the gsx and look at the mule car. It could look bad ass
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[El Jefe]

Well GM and manual throw out the cool ass turbo Buick regal two door.
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Got a customer that just bought one, 6 speed manual. :drool:

[El Jefe]

Yeah maybe a little high...


But they DO MAKE IT IN A MANUAL. Lol google the gsx and look at the mule car. It could look bad ass
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70'S GSX's are worth over 6 figures if numbers matching and in good shape. Freakin sweet rides, would love to have one.

[SAUTO]

Got a customer that just bought one, 6 speed manual. :drool:

I've got a couple of people that have them. All old guys all friends. They go on trips the stories are hilarious.

But they are a pretty preppy car.
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[El Jefe]

I know you said no GM, but the Pontiac GTO's are some seriously fast cars, love em.

[Dayze]

Golf GTI?

I have the regular 2.5 but wanted a GTI badly. Fun as shit to drive

[SAUTO]

And I wish one had bought a six speed. I'm definitely giving them all shit over it
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[Sfeihc]

Subaru BRZ? Roughly 25k.

http://image.motortrend.com/f/roadtests/coupes/1112_2013_subaru_brz/39531732/2013-Subaru-BRZ-cockpit.jpg

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/2013subarubrz.jpg

This or the Scion FR-S. Same car, joint venture.

[SAUTO]

I know you said no GM, but the Pontiac GTO's are some seriously fast cars, love em.

they still make them?
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[El Jefe]

I've got a couple of people that have them. All old guys all friends. They go on trips the stories are hilarious.

But they are a pretty preppy car.
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4cylinder turbo, my customer claims to have had it up to 130 easily.

[Dayze]

I know you said no GM, but the Pontiac GTO's are some seriously fast cars, love em.

Those are on my list of used muscle cars I'd like to have

[El Jefe]

they still make them?
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Woops, missed the "new" part.

[SAUTO]

4cylinder turbo, my customer claims to have had it up to 130 easily.

Yep. They all got turbo's. My wife wants one
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[El Jefe]

Those are on my list of used muscle cars I'd like to have

They have nice interiors, bitchin exhausts, and they straight haul ass.

[El Jefe]

Yep. They all got turbo's. My wife wants one
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Seriously? Mine too lol.



OK, name your favorite dinosaur?

[SAUTO]

And I've driven them. They are pretty fun. People usually aren't shy about letting me drive their cars lol. Hell some have even let me drive their cars after riding in mine with me. Lol
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[lewdog]

This or the Scion FR-S. Same car, joint venture.

I want the BRZ but my fiance says I need to be practical (no coupes) while still having sporty if I choose, on my next car purchase. She is kind of right but it really narrows the sporty to only a few choices. :hmmm:

[Dayze]

Yep. I like the G8s as well. Forget the trim package but the beefy ones are bad ass.

Or just find a used CTSV. Mmmmmmmmm

[El Jefe]

Yep. I like the G8s as well. Forget the trim package but the beefy ones are bad ass.

Or just find a used CTSV. Mmmmmmmmm

If you can find one with low mileage, most of them are beat to hell, and that transmission will cost you a testicle to fix.

[SAUTO]

Bambiraptor
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[TrebMaxx]

This or the Scion FR-S. Same car, joint venture.

Exactly what I was going to suggest. 200 hp, right around $25,000.

[Dayze]

If you can find one with low mileage, most of them are beat to hell, and that transmission will cost you a testicle to fix.

:hmmm:

[SAUTO]

If you can find one with low mileage, most of them are beat to hell, and that transmission will cost you a testicle to fix.

Don't they have an issue with throwing the cooler line at the radiator?
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[Rain Man]

Hemmings is a great source of cars in your price range.

Here's a 1971 Corvette: http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/carsforsale/chevrolet/corvette/1580445.html

1948 MGTC: http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/carsforsale/mg/tc/1580201.html

1956 Thunderbird, kind of. http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/carsforsale/ford/thunderbird/1579909.html

1977 Rolls Royce Silver Wraith: http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/carsforsale/rolls_royce/silver_wraith_ii/1579908.html

1956 Chevrolet Bel Air that's almost apricot: http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/chevrolet/bel_air/1579899.html

1959 Triumph TR-3 (very cool - I might buy this one myself): http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/carsforsale/triumph/unspecified/1579644.html

1981 Corvette: http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/chevrolet/corvette/1579278.html

1999 Porsche Carrera (this seems cheap, so maybe it's stolen): http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/carsforsale/porsche/911/1579264.html

1959 Cadillac Sedan de Ville: http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/cadillac/sedan_deville/1579157.html

1960 Austin Healey Bugeye: http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/carsforsale/austin_healey/bugeye/1579077.html

2005 Porsche Boxter: http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/porsche/boxster/1578885.html

1991 Lotus Elan: http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/lotus/elan/1578389.html

1981 Pontiac Trans Am: http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/pontiac/trans_am/1578218.html

1948 Triumph 1800 Roadster: http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/carsforsale/triumph/1800/1578201.html

1965 Ford Mustang Fastback: http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/carsforsale/ford/mustang/1578142.html

1968 Chevy Camaro Convertible: http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/carsforsale/chevrolet/camaro/1578002.html

1966 Sunbeam Alpine: http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/sunbeam/alpine/1575430.html

[El Jefe]

Philosoraptor
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Did we just become best friends?

[SAUTO]

Did we just become best friends?

Someone beat you to it last night.
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[El Jefe]

Don't they have an issue with throwing the cooler line at the radiator?
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Spot on, we have fixed a slew of those around our area. Very popular for people to pick up used for 40-50k and look like a Boss for two weeks and either burn the clutch up, or run the auto's low on fluid.

[El Jefe]

Someone beat you to it last night.
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Stepbrothers, funny stuff.

[SAUTO]

I've heard just go with a cooler and bypass the radiator itself
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[Dayze]

I forget the models, but I saw a two door hatched Subie that was fast as shit.

And a Golf that was some designator....not this usual TDI etc. can't remember, but also fast as shit.

[hometeam]

Genesis Coupe or get an no-sti WRX Hatch. Yes its 4 doors, but they are super easy to mod and rock autocross, especially with coilovers.

Don't listen to anyone telling you to pick a FWD drive car.

I like some of the others picks, but you said NEW car.

[El Jefe]

I've heard just go with a cooler and bypass the radiator itself
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If you have a customer with one. Sell them a Tru-Cool 22,000lb cooler, charge them a couple hours, put it on the front of the radiator, run the lines to it, and you will save them tons of money.

[El Jefe]

Genesis Coupe or get an no-sti WRX Hatch. Yes its 4 doors, but they are super easy to mod and rock autocross, especially with coilovers.

Don't listen to anyone telling you to pick a FWD drive car.

I like some of the others picks, but you said NEW car.

Those genesis coupes look hotter than Madonna in a pointy bra (Fresh prince).

[pr_capone]

Genesis Coupe or get an no-sti WRX Hatch. Yes its 4 doors, but they are super easy to mod and rock autocross, especially with coilovers.

Don't listen to anyone telling you to pick a FWD drive car.

I like some of the others picks, but you said NEW car.

I thought about the Genesis Coupe but the V6 version costs 30k. Whatever car I'm buying... its gonna have the biggest engine available to throw into it. lol

[El Jefe]

I thought about the Genesis Coupe but the V6 version costs 25k. Whatever car I'm buying... its gonna have the biggest engine available to throw into it. lol

How much wiggle room do we have on this 25k?

[SAUTO]

If you have a customer with one. Sell them a Tru-Cool 22,000lb cooler, charge them a couple hours, put it on the front of the radiator, run the lines to it, and you will save them tons of money.
Doing it Monday. Lol

Read about it a couple Weeks ago. Told them today
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[vailpass]

Subaru Impreza

[pr_capone]

How much wiggle room do we have on this 25k?

Sorry, the V6 is 30k.

Not a whole lotta wiggle on the 25k. I'm expecting to get around 2500-3k for my car in its current condition. I'd like then end price to be at or below 25k.

[Dayze]

300z? Probably used though.

[El Jefe]

Doing it Monday. Lol

Read about it a couple Weeks ago. Told them today
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What kind of cooler?

[Buns]

I forget the models, but I saw a two door hatched Subie that was fast as shit.

And a Golf that was some designator....not this usual TDI etc. can't remember, but also fast as shit.

VW R32

[El Jefe]

Sorry, the V6 is 30k.

Not a whole lotta wiggle on the 25k. I'm expecting to get around 2500-3k for my car in its current condition. I'd like then end price to be at or below 25k.

Makes it tough, but I will do some thinking.

[Dayze]

Get a Civic with a fart can and some scary transformer stickers.

[El Jefe]

VW R32

You have one?

[Dayze]

VW R32

:D:clap:
Yeo, that's it.

[El Jefe]

Get a Civic with a fart can and some scary transformer stickers.

What is the deal with those stickers?

[Buns]

You have one?

Nope, but I hear they're quick.

I would throw a vote in for Honda CR-Z, but i don't think it's much of a racer.

[Dayze]

[/B]

What is the deal with those stickers?

Dunno. But I heard it makes them faster.

[El Jefe]

Nope, but I hear they're quick.

I would throw a vote in for Honda CR-Z, but i don't think it's much of a racer.

I was going to see how you liked it. CR-Z isn't a bad way to go.

[Dayze]

R32 I tink is around 270hp v6. Something like that.

Low miles ones can be had for probably 20kish I would think

[BigBeauford]

Gti
Fiesta ST
Focus St

Probably the top 3 I would go for considering your criteria, I believe all have been on Car and Drivers 10 best (possibly not the Fiesta, but most are raving about the new ST.)

[El Jefe]

Dunno. But I heard it makes them faster.

5-7 horse power per sticker is what a Jegs employee told me (off the clock of course). So if you get a K&N filter (good for 75 horses) and then had a handful of those stickers you are talking about 100 extra horses! Bad ass!

[El Jefe]

Gti
Fiesta ST
Focus St

Probably the top 3 I would go for considering your criteria, I believe all have been on Car and Drivers 10 best (possibly not the Fiesta, but most are raving about the new ST.)

Fiesta is bleh to me, ST not so much.

[Dayze]

Drop 20 k on a used one and buy a pro charger blower. My brother is the lead machinist and has been there since day one. :D

Now THAT would be fun.

[hometeam]

I thought about the Genesis Coupe but the V6 version costs 30k. Whatever car I'm buying... its gonna have the biggest engine available to throw into it. lol

That v6 is basically unmoddable and expensive.

That 2.0 TURBO needs just a little massaging and it could be a firebreathing monster, capable of sub 12 second quarter mile times and blistering fast laps around a track.

Or, do like I said and gut that WRX. My WRX made 362 WHEEL horsepower (something like 450 for you factory HP types) with just a little baby 2.0 turbo motor. And no, that's not a wind up toy Honda, this made that power at 4k rpms and held it and 300+ foot pounds of torque across redline.

Now they make even more HP and torque with same mods, because they are all packing the 2.5 liter.

For the LOVE of god dont pick a FWD car

[BigBeauford]

CRZ takes about 9-10 seconds 0-60, blah suspension and Chasis, and only 2 seats. Boring to drive hybrid that just looks like it has sporting pretensions.

[Dayze]

5-7 horse power per sticker is what a Jegs employee told me (off the clock of course). So if you get a K&N filter (good for 75 horses) and then had a handful of those stickers you are talking about 100 extra horses! Bad ass!

Good luck scoring a NoS sticker. Probably would wreck it anyway with all the power to the ground anyway.

[El Jefe]

Good luck scoring a NoS sticker. Probably would wreck it anyway with all the power to the ground anyway.

I like the cut of your jib.

[Dayze]

That v6 is basically unmoddable and expensive.

That 2.0 TURBO needs just a little massaging and it could be a firebreathing monster, capable of sub 12 second quarter mile times and blistering fast laps around a track.

Or, do like I said and gut that WRX. My WRX made 362 WHEEL horsepower (something like 450 for you factory HP types) with just a little baby 2.0 turbo motor. And no, that's not a wind up toy Honda, this made that power at 4k rpms and held it and 300+ foot pounds of torque across redline.

Now they make even more HP and torque with same mods, because they are all packing the 2.5 liter.

For the LOVE of god dont pick a FWD car
:eek:
Shit dude. Makes me want to ditch my ride and get one lol. I need to get the hell out of this thread,

[hometeam]

:eek:
Shit dude.

I'm a car guy~

[BigBeauford]

Dude, if you can survive a little longer, VW, is about to roll out the latest generation GTI, which for all intents and purposes is an Audi A3. It looks stunning and cranks out even more power, and has the best combo of chasis/suspension they have made yet.

[Dayze]

For what PR wants to do that torque number would be obscene.

Love me some torque

[El Jefe]

For what PR wants to do that torque number would be obscene.

Love me some torque

My Cutlass is no 1000hp monster, but im around ~500 and I can put a dollar bill on the dash, and I will say if you can grab it before I get into 3rd you can have it (pretty funny). That baby cranks out some G's.

[Dayze]

When my brother was running his blower with drag radials, I remember my vision going into a gray out sort of thing under hard acceleration.

Sleeper car to.....except for the whine of the blower. Buwwhhaaaaaa

[hometeam]

I have had a few cars in my day, but for what PR is looking for, I think my choices are well suited~

PICK ME PICK MEEE

[CrazyPhuD]

No offense but you're kinda doing this backwards. You said you want to autoX, what class do you want to run in? Street prepared, stock, modified, etc? Also do you want to be competitive?

I would say go here

http://www.scca.com/solo/content.cfm?cid=44517

Look at the 2013 stock classifications and see which cars are in which class and what you want to run in. i.e.

http://www.scca.com/assets/2013%20Stock%20by%20manufacturer%205-17.pdf

Then if you're still deciding you can ask people what they think of the cars you're looking at.

[pr_capone]

No offense but you're kinda doing this backwards. You said you want to autoX, what class do you want to run in? Street prepared, stock, modified, etc? Also do you want to be competitive?

I would say go here

http://www.scca.com/solo/content.cfm?cid=44517

Look at the 2013 stock classifications and see which cars are in which class and what you want to run in. i.e.

http://www.scca.com/assets/2013%20Stock%20by%20manufacturer%205-17.pdf

Then if you're still deciding you can ask people what they think of the cars you're looking at.

No offense taken.

I would most certainly be running in a stock class. Also, the purpose of a race is to come in first... no? Of course I want to be competitive! lol

Aside from it being stock, I don't much care class (a,b,c...) I'm in.

[CrazyPhuD]

No offense taken.

I would most certainly be running in a stock class. Also, the purpose of a race is to come in first... no? Of course I want to be competitive! lol

Aside from it being stock, I don't much care class (a,b,c...) I'm in.

Honestly I've been too far out of Autocross to be up to date(I still own my S2K though), but the reason I ask is that some classes are dominated by one type of car or not and if you want to be competitive in that class you want to look at that type of car. It depends upon how serious your local is 'cause it may not matter as much.

I'm sure the BRZ/FRS is really popular I just don't know how much of a pain is is to get one since they are popular overall. Unfortunately we have a real dearth of new 'sports' cars lately. If you want new the selections might be a bit thin.

[CrazyPhuD]

One other point to everyone else. For autocross, raw power isn't always the best. Some of the best autoX cars are quick and well balanced but may not have a ton of raw power.

Take the GTO mentioned earlier, I like the car and think it can be made into a pretty decent track car but for autocross I don't think it works...too heavy even with the fun power.

That said the GTO is coming back...it's the Holden, and it's coming back as the Chevy SS.

[COchief]

You have a few options here:

All in one vehicle solution WRX, hatch if you're smart.

Or FWD options Fiesta/focus ST, GTI (heavy/slow), Mazdaspeed 3, Mini.

Or RWD with Daily Driver combo S2000 (the only option), Miata (if gay), 350z (heavy/slow), RX8 (perfect car but tard engine).

I know your tastes from past threads, I just saved you a billion hours. Pick from above and find a stellar example.

Good luck and don't settle for anything less than what you want or be hasty in your selection.

[BigBeauford]

Again, I keep telling you to wait a sec, but the 2015 Mustang will be built on the new EVOS platform and finally get IRS. I have seen some of the concepts, and are moving away from the retro look. I like it.

[Molitoth]

http://luisbicol.smugmug.com/photos/427653583_MARC7-X2.jpg

[pr_capone]

Again, I keep telling you to wait a sec, but the 2015 Mustang will be built on the new EVOS platform and finally get IRS. I have seen some of the concepts, and are moving away from the retro look. I like it.

I can't wait. I can stay off the inevitable complete death by using the bike even more but by the time it turns cold again... I'm gonna need a reliable cage. I hard assed it for 3 years riding the bike year round and it is nothing I care to do again.

You have a few options here:

All in one vehicle solution WRX, hatch if you're smart.

Or FWD options Fiesta/focus ST, GTI (heavy/slow), Mazdaspeed 3, Mini.

Or RWD with Daily Driver combo S2000 (the only option), Miata (if gay), 350z (heavy/slow), RX8 (perfect car but tard engine).

I know your tastes from past threads, I just saved you a billion hours. Pick from above and find a stellar example.

Good luck and don't settle for anything less than what you want or be hasty in your selection.

Looking at the WRX. The STi is the only one with the LSD. How will this impact me?

[COchief]

Looking at the WRX. The STi is the only one with the LSD. How will this impact me?

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2024966

Seems to be a wash, you pay a very hefty premium for sti vs wrx, hard to justify the cost imo plus I think every STI has been beat on vs probably 60-80% of the rexs.

Notice the common theme of "scared of the S2000s" :)

[Sorter]

Get a prius. Dirty mike and the boys approve.

[TLO]

Subaru Impreza WRX STI

If you can't afford the STI version just get the WRX.

/thread

[TLO]

I can't wait. I can stay off the inevitable complete death by using the bike even more but by the time it turns cold again... I'm gonna need a reliable cage. I hard assed it for 3 years riding the bike year round and it is nothing I care to do again.



Looking at the WRX. The STi is the only one with the LSD. How will this impact me?

Can you afford the STi model? If so.. DO IT. You'll thank me later. I've modded my 05 Imprexa Wrx Sti to death. Fast as fuck in the 1/4 mile and I love doing autocross in it. Not a better car out there as far as driving inthe snow. Even stock they are quick cars.

[TheUte]

WRX

[pr_capone]

2013 WRX

http://tinyurl.com/kgxnmfx

[Ace Gunner]

Again, I keep telling you to wait a sec, but the 2015 Mustang will be built on the new EVOS platform and finally get IRS. I have seen some of the concepts, and are moving away from the retro look. I like it.

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forums/attachments/2015-mustang/167800d1354855737-s550-2014-5-2015-mustang-its-elementary-my-dear-watson-fordevosbasedmustang.jpg

http://mustangsdaily.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/2015-ford-mustang-02.jpg

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n294/TwinTurbo300/2015%20Mustang/2015MustangTN.jpg

http://media.caranddriver.com/images/12q2/450433/2015-ford-mustang-spy-photos-news-car-and-driver-photo-459697-s-429x262.jpg

[Miles]

Toyobaru FR-S/BRZ if you don't care much about back seat room or a WXR if you do.

[MIAdragon]

I know you said new (and no GM) but I dont give a shit.

C5 Zo6

[Just Passin' By]

Someone mentioned the RX-8.


Any particular years to gravitate to, or to avoid?

[BryanBusby]

If you don't mind 4 doors, the MazdaSpeed3's are pretty fun cars to drive.

Turbo charged, 6 speed transmission, hatchback and just right under 25k for a brand new one.

[pr_capone]

I'm asking my local Subi dealer about a pair of WRXs they have. One a hatch, the other is 1200 less but no hatch.

Also looking real hard at the Scion FR-S

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Just my two cents bro, as a former credit manager. Buy a car that is a year or two old. Let someone else take the depreciation hit on "brand new". Never pay interest on a depreciating asset. I mean, you're going too, but don't get double dipped on a brand new vehicle. Do that shit when you're retired. Getting off my soapbox now.

P.S - I walked that line. I have wanted a newer Mustang for a while now, finally bit the bullet and bought an 08 with low miles. Got it for a song. The guy who bought it got all the bells and whistles and his loss is my gain. Be wise.

[Exoter175]

350Z(used)
G35(used)
BRZ
FRS
Focus ST
2004 Cobra (used but the best investment of all of them)

You could ALMOST stick a newerish Mustang GT in there with the new 5.0 Coyote Motor and a 6 speed manual :D

But you'd probably need about 26-29 for a 2012/13ish model.

If you get a mustang, don't get a 2005-2010 models. Wait for the 2011+ with the 5.0 Coyote in them, trust me, you'll want to spend that little bit extra for 100 HP.

[COchief]

Just my two cents bro, as a former credit manager. Buy a car that is a year or two old. Let someone else take the depreciation hit on "brand new". Never pay interest on a depreciating asset. I mean, you're going too, but don't get double dipped on a brand new vehicle. Do that shit when you're retired. Getting off my soapbox now.

P.S - I walked that line. I have wanted a newer Mustang for a while now, finally bit the bullet and bought an 08 with low miles. Got it for a song. The guy who bought it got all the bells and whistles and his loss is my gain. Be wise.

Pretty solid advice for most vehicles, however there are a few exceptions where due to ridiculous resale values you might as well buy the damn thing new.

At least in Colorado, you're better off buying basically any Subie (especially WRX so you know it isn't beat), Wranglers, Tacomas, and Honda Fits brand new. This can soften at the 5 year old or 50k mile mark, but if you're going 2 years or less you might as well pony up for a new one.

[cwhocares]

Go to Throurgh Bred Ford and ask for Cliff O'Geay. I've bought cars from this man at several dealerships over the last 20 years. It's not the dealership, it's the salesperson. He doesn't give you any bullshit. You tell him what you want, he tells you what he can sell it for. Pretty simple. I've bought new and used and always felt I paid a fair price.

Jim C

[Aspengc8]

If you are into auto-X and road coarse, for 25K pick up a used STI or Evo.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Get the new Focus ST.

[Bewbies]

Used BMW 135i. Throw in a 100k warranty and win.

[Dayze]

Used Vette? 50/50 weight distribution.

not sure of your other requirements etc in real life/everyday etc. I would LOVE to buy a used Vette. If and when I do, it'll be a garage queen to be taken out on weekends and nice dry days. I'll still keep my Golf for everyday use.

[Dayze]

Used BMW 135i. Throw in a 100k warranty and win.

THAT would be fun right there.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Used Vette? 50/50 weight distribution.

not sure of your other requirements etc in real life/everyday etc. I would LOVE to buy a used Vette. If and when I do, it'll be a garage queen to be taken out on weekends and nice dry days. I'll still keep my Golf for everyday use.

I'm working on the same deal....

Currently looking for a lightning I can work on and turn into a garage KING. :D And find a beater to drive during the week to work.

[jjjayb]

Ford Focus ST. I've got one at my dealership with 10k miles for under $25k.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Ford Focus ST. I've got one at my dealership with 10k miles for under $25k.

I want one of those...they look pretty fun. Wish ford would slap the SVT badge on it...

[Dayze]

Ford Focus ST. I've got one at my dealership with 10k miles for under $25k.

:hmmm:
didn't even know about that one.

[jjjayb]

I want one of those...they look pretty fun. Wish ford would slap the SVT badge on it...

They are a blast to drive. A ton of torque. Great handling. It will put a smile on your face when you hit the curves.

[Time's Yours]

I'm asking my local Subi dealer about a pair of WRXs they have. One a hatch, the other is 1200 less but no hatch.

Also looking real hard at the Scion FR-S

I'd go with the FR-S.

What I do personally is keep two cars. I have a 4-door "practical" car that I drive to work. It's probably worth $5,000. Then I have a Lotus for fun. That way I don't have to make any compromise with the fun car.

[El Jefe]

I'd go with the FR-S.

What I do personally is keep two cars. I have a 4-door "practical" car that I drive to work. It's probably worth $5,000. Then I have a Lotus for fun. That way I don't have to make any compromise with the fun car.

My buddy picked up a LOTUS that he auto-x's with I will post a few FB pics of it here in a second.

[BigBeauford]

I'd be careful with the FRS/BRZ twins. The stealerships have been marking them up like crazy, and a lot of these first gen models are having reports of issue with fit and finish(i.e. rattling, taillights having condensation inside being built up). They are also very low in torque and require you to really bump up the RPM's to stay in the sweet spot, with the car not being as fast as it looks. That being said, it has often times been said to be one of the most fun cars to drive, with the point and shoot steering, minimal body roll, ect, with a rewarding gearbox. But it is a really small car, and you have to be sold on the fun to drive factor, not straight line speed or practicality.

[KC native]

Mazdaspeed 3

Fun as shit. handles great. fast out of the box (had mine up to 150)

I got mine for 22,895 brand new. Mazda's making a push to get them out the door because of the weak Yen. You could probably get one cheaper. The 2013's are the one to get. They get a lot of things that were options on prior years that are standard on that year.

[pr_capone]

Mazdaspeed 3

Fun as shit. handles great. fast out of the box (had mine up to 150)

I got mine for 22,895 brand new. Mazda's making a push to get them out the door because of the weak Yen. You could probably get one cheaper. The 2013's are the one to get. They get a lot of things that were options on prior years that are standard on that year.

Cant find them for less than 25k locally. Even then, the Subie has AWD which is mighty attractive.

[KC native]

Cant find them for less than 25k locally. Even then, the Subie has AWD which is mighty attractive.

They list above that. Go to cars.com or something similar. Fill out the send me a quote shit. Put the max price you are willing to pay in there and say the first dealership to beat it gets your business.

Mine was listed at $25k. Put in the email that I wouldn't spend more than $23k. 36 hours later I was signing paperwork at a dealership for $22,895.

Edit: the tech package adds $1500. Tell them you want a non-tech package one. The tech package was needed on 2012s and before but for the 2013 it is unnecessary unless you want an ugly ass touchscreen in the middle of your dash, blind spot monitoring (just pay attention), and a rear view mirror with lights (blah)

[KC native]

And I don't know if autocross counts stiffer motor mounts as not stock, if they don't, buy them shits and deal with the extra vibrations for 3k miles. Shit has eliminated wheel hop and almost all the torque steer on the car.

[pr_capone]

I think this is what I am going with. Should get under 25 and possibly under 24k with my trade in.

http://www.subaru.com/build-your-own/impreza-wrx.html?rebuild=1C8Hz2sMowzMvxpq7NYejt5pyhFCS&zip=67204&trim=DXN#.UcUrFYTLxGU.email

[TLO]

AI think this is what I am going with. Should get under 25 and possibly under 24k with my trade in.

http://www.subaru.com/build-your-own/impreza-wrx.html?rebuild=1C8Hz2sMowzMvxpq7NYejt5pyhFCS&zip=67204&trim=DXN#.UcUrFYTLxGU.email

Mighty fine choice.

[Chief Roundup]

http://luisbicol.smugmug.com/photos/427653583_MARC7-X2.jpg

They are fast but damn they are UGLY

[Chief Roundup]

I know of 2 Subaru's that have the 2.5 Turbo engines in them. Before 70,000 miles those engines were toast. The dealership told them the cars have been ran hard and raced too often. They are both in the Springfield area and raced on track 1 weekend a month.

[Silock]

The new Miata is supposed to have a turbo. King of auto-x and high modability.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

turbos arent necessarily good in autoX...

I have seen more success from NA miatas vs the mazdaspeeds.

[LoneWolf]

I think this is what I am going with. Should get under 25 and possibly under 24k with my trade in.

http://www.subaru.com/build-your-own/impreza-wrx.html?rebuild=1C8Hz2sMowzMvxpq7NYejt5pyhFCS&zip=67204&trim=DXN#.UcUrFYTLxGU.email

How big of a banner can one of these pull behind it?

[hometeam]

PR you made the best choice for your criteria~ You will not regret your WRX. They pull hard, great for autoX, and regular driving.

[Silock]

turbos arent necessarily good in autoX...

I have seen more success from NA miatas vs the mazdaspeeds.

He's planning on getting a WRX . . . That's certainly not NA. If the turbos are tunes right, there's no issue with lag, which is the main reason to avoid them on an auto-x circuit.

The dominance of the NA and NB Miata was due to how much better they are than the competition and not necessarily any inherent advantage because of a lack of a turbo.

[TribalElder]

Get the Subaru
/thread

[BigBeauford]

You are good with insurance as long as you aren't under 25. WRXs have one of the worst insurance groups due to the high volume of idiots. I know a guy who pays 300 bucks per month at 22 y/o.

[Dayze]

I think this is what I am going with. Should get under 25 and possibly under 24k with my trade in.

http://www.subaru.com/build-your-own/impreza-wrx.html?rebuild=1C8Hz2sMowzMvxpq7NYejt5pyhFCS&zip=67204&trim=DXN#.UcUrFYTLxGU.email

That's kick ass looking

[pr_capone]

I bought the Subaru. Won't have it until later though as they are having to ship it up from OKC. Got it for *JUST* under 25k with trade in which is was my lynchpin in all this.

Hopefully I get a call telling me to come get it tomorrow at some point.

[Silock]

Grats, man!

[HC_Chief]

FYI, the Chrysler 200 is a massive turd. Biggest POS since the Dodge Neon. U do not want.

[Sfeihc]

I bought the Subaru. Won't have it until later though as they are having to ship it up from OKC. Got it for *JUST* under 25k with trade in which is was my lynchpin in all this.

Hopefully I get a call telling me to come get it tomorrow at some point.

please post a few pics.

[Frosty]

Subaru!

You must be a lesbian!

:rolleyes:

[hometeam]

Good choice. Want to know everything about the car? www.nasioc.com

The forum there is the largest Subaru information center in the world~

[pr_capone]

The one I bought includes the dimming mirror w/garage door buttons, bumper cover, and the sti short throw shifter.

[crispystl]

Scion fr-s?

[pr_capone]

Scion fr-s?

WRX

[Valiant]

kia forte coup or velostar by hyundai?

[pr_capone]

Thanks for the suggestions CP'ers. This is my car. Well... not MY car but it is exactly like my car color and everything.

http://i.imgur.com/cRXGqJ4h.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/xZHNeTCh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/8OrURL4h.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/gQdbMjXh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/RGqq1tVh.jpg

[Molitoth]

good choice capone

[LoneWolf]

Eric Winston thinks that is bad ath.

[Dayze]

Sweet. That looks awesome

[Lzen]

Go to Throurgh Bred Ford and ask for Cliff O'Geay. I've bought cars from this man at several dealerships over the last 20 years. It's not the dealership, it's the salesperson. He doesn't give you any bullshit. You tell him what you want, he tells you what he can sell it for. Pretty simple. I've bought new and used and always felt I paid a fair price.

Jim C

Oh really? Can you give us some examples of cars you have bought from him and felt you paid a fair price?

[Lzen]

Just my two cents bro, as a former credit manager. Buy a car that is a year or two old. Let someone else take the depreciation hit on "brand new". Never pay interest on a depreciating asset. I mean, you're going too, but don't get double dipped on a brand new vehicle. Do that shit when you're retired. Getting off my soapbox now.

P.S - I walked that line. I have wanted a newer Mustang for a while now, finally bit the bullet and bought an 08 with low miles. Got it for a song. The guy who bought it got all the bells and whistles and his loss is my gain. Be wise.

Does that apply to buying Harley Davidson motorcycles? The reason I'm asking is that in a couple of years I am considering selling or trading in my 05 for a new bike. I know HDs hold their value fairly well but all motor vehicles depreciate.

[loochy]

I like the car except for the hatchbacky part...ugh I hate cars that are shaped like that.

However, I'm glad you got a brand that is kind of different and fresh.

How are the seats? My mother in law's Subie has the world's most uncomfortable rock hard seats in the back.

[lewdog]

I fucking love the look of that car. I would fuck it right in the tailpipe.

[COchief]

Well done son, it really is the only (snow state) choice for a true modern car guy imo. Can't beat the overall package of hp, awd, mods, price, usefulness of the hatch and reliability.

I'm either going WRX (tempted to buy this fall as I worry about the redesign being stupid), Elise, or another S2000 for my next toy after I get through my current Wrangler phase.

Congrats on a fine choice and enjoy.

[TribalElder]

Good job

Subaru Mafia 4 life bro

[hometeam]

Sold mine long ago but I still see it driving around Jefferson City and kick my own ass for selling.

[Tombstone RJ]

My Focus SVT's transmission just bit the dust and I am tired of putting money into this damn car. Gonna buy a new one and drive that ****er off the lot.

I would prefer a 2 door car. Hatch is a plus.
I need the car to be sporty/fast as I do autocross.
Manual gearbox.
Around 25k to spend or so.
No GM products.

Suggestions?

not a hatchback but I'll vouch for a subaru on quality and bang for the buck:

http://www.subaru.com/vehicles/brz/index.html

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Does that apply to buying Harley Davidson motorcycles? The reason I'm asking is that in a couple of years I am considering selling or trading in my 05 for a new bike. I know HDs hold their value fairly well but all motor vehicles depreciate.

The way I look at it is anytime you buy, it shouldn't be new. Even if you plan to drive the wheels off of it. Throw in paying interest at any level, and you're getting double dipped. If you're willing to keep the thing for years and years and years, at least you're getting your money out of it.

Buying low miles and a year or two old will save you a lot of coin in my opinion, but ultimately it's your money and there's something about owning it from "birth" if you will. JMO, it's not golden or anything. Just my financial logic.

[pr_capone]

not a hatchback but I'll vouch for a subaru on quality and bang for the buck:

http://www.subaru.com/vehicles/brz/index.html

Got in it... not comfortable at all.

[Chief Pote]

Thanks for the suggestions CP'ers. This is my car. Well... not MY car but it is exactly like my car color and everything.

http://i.imgur.com/cRXGqJ4h.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/xZHNeTCh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/8OrURL4h.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/gQdbMjXh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/RGqq1tVh.jpg


NICE PRC. How does it ride?

[Tombstone RJ]

Got in it... not comfortable at all.

I saw you bought an wrx, good choice, also, the BRZ is not AWD, it's RWD only. The BRZ is a cool little car in that it's a pocket rocket. More of a second car than a primary driver IMHO.

[pr_capone]

NICE PRC. How does it ride?

Don't know yet. Waiting for the car to be delivered from OKC.

[lewdog]

not a hatchback but I'll vouch for a subaru on quality and bang for the buck:

http://www.subaru.com/vehicles/brz/index.html

I am gonna guess fat people probably wouldn't feel comfortable in a car/cockpit like that.

[Chief Pote]

Don't know yet. Waiting for the car to be delivered from OKC.

I know you can't wait. Looks great. Subaru has an awesome reliability reputation for the past 10 - 15 years or so.

[hometeam]

I know you can't wait. Looks great. Subaru has an awesome reliability reputation for the past 10 - 15 years or so.

Mine pushed double the stock HP/and TQ on stock internals for 20k+ miles and, the guy I sold it to has put 10k+ on it. None of these where easy miles and its still kickin.

[pr_capone]

I am gonna guess fat people probably wouldn't feel comfortable in a car/cockpit like that.

are you calling me fat?

I mean... I am. You don't need to point it out though. LOL

[Ace Gunner]

congrats -- subarus are kill drivers

[lewdog]

are you calling me fat?

I mean... I am. You don't need to point it out though. LOL

No, just stating that a large majority of the population won't like sports cars feel simply because of a tight cockpit.

[BryanBusby]

How are the seats? My mother in law's Subie has the world's most uncomfortable rock hard seats in the back.
Had a '02 WRX and I remember my back literally killing me when I went on long trips.

The interior sucked, but was certainly a fun ride.

[Bosie]

cant really go wrong with a Honda Accord which is what I drive. Its nothing flashy but it gets you from point A to point B alright

[MIAdragon]

cant really go wrong with a Honda Accord which is what I drive. Its nothing flashy but it gets you from point A to point B alright

But therein lies the problem. As a "car guy" I WISH I could be happy with something that gets me from A to B, so would my wife and bank act. Its a disease.

[Dayze]

^

I've been a 'car guy' for years, but never pulled the trigger on anything from a $ standpoint.

...motorcylces on the other hand....

[El Jefe]

But therein lies the problem. As a "car guy" I WISH I could be happy with something that gets me from A to B, so would my wife and bank act. Its a disease.

Give us a list of your daily drivers past and present and your "toy" cars if you don't mind. I know you have an outstanding taste in cars. I wish I had a budget to do the same, but I do not. So I will have to live my car dreams vicariously through you lulz.

[Dayze]

Chevy Lulz
Twin Turbo V8

MSRP $10,999

[El Jefe]

Chevy Lulz
Twin Turbo V8

MSRP $10,999

How many RWHP? Do they come with NOS stickers? If so, I'm in!

[Dayze]

those are extra.