Home security/defense

[El Jefe]

Spinoff of the woman getting beaten in her home. That thread got me thinking, and I wondered what everyone had to protect their loved ones/family. I have an ADT security system with motion detectors, I also have two pitbulls, both the wife and I have numerous firearms and have taken firearm training.

That thread really made me more content paying $50 a month for 24/7 monitoring/protection of my family and home.

[Dayze]

I'd say your good with guns and dogs personally. Our dogs go batshit at the slightest noise.

Edit...not "you" etc. I should've said "one"

[DaFace]

I'm kind of anti-home-security, personally. I know that's a weird thing to say, but I've always found it irritating that videos like the one you're referencing scare people to death when the fact of the matter is that you're safer in your home today that people have been at pretty much any point in history.

Scary shit happens in the world, but that doesn't mean I'm going to live my life scared.

EDIT: Just for fun, here's a chart I put this together a while back when discussing the Sandy Hook incident with some family members.

http://i.imgur.com/rHXLZxv.jpg

[BlackHelicopters]

Security system, outdoor cameras, 4 Labrador retreivers and multiple Glocks.

[Fairplay]

Anti-freeze in steak, pitbull threat eliminated.

[Pablo]

I got eleven motion lights, 26 guns and nine attack dogs.

AINT NOBODY GONNA GIT ME!

[El Jefe]

I'm kind of anti-home-security, personally. I know that's a weird thing to say, but I've always found it irritating that videos like the one you're referencing scare people to death when the fact of the matter is that you're safer in your home today that people have been at pretty much any point in history.

Scary shit happens in the world, but that doesn't mean I'm going to live my life scared.

EDIT: Just for fun, here's a chart I put this together a while back when discussing the Sandy Hook incident with some family members.

http://i.imgur.com/rHXLZxv.jpg

I understand that, but $50 bucks a month is worth it IMO. I got the setup and install free.

[CrazyPhuD]

RPGs! Keep one in every room and it will fuck shit up!

Seriously though, like cops a security system isn't going to prevent someone from breaking in. It will just allow you to catch them after the fact and hopefully in process. Even guns aren't useful unless you actually train to be able to use then AND are willing to use them if you have to. The simple reality is outside of certain areas home invasions are uncommon! That's not to say you shouldn't be prepared but being prepared requires work!

[El Jefe]

Anti-freeze in steak, pitbull threat eliminated.

One of my dogs is Schutzhund trained.

[Bump]

I have a dog, but I think she is too sweet to do anything. Unless a bird intruded, than that bird is gonna get ****ed up.

but she does bark ferociously when someone is walking their dogs outside. That at least lets people know, hey, there is a big dog in here.

[El Jefe]

RPGs! Keep one in every room and it will **** shit up!

Seriously though, like cops a security system isn't going to prevent someone from breaking in. It will just allow you to catch them after the fact and hopefully in process. Even guns aren't useful unless you actually train to be able to use then AND are willing to use them if you have to. The simple reality is outside of certain areas home invasions are uncommon! That's not to say you shouldn't be prepared but being prepared requires work!

I completely disagree, security systems will prevent break ins, it has been shown that just home security signs can be efficient. Most robbers would leave a house when the siren of the alarm goes off (if close to other houses).

[DaFace]

RPGs! Keep one in every room and it will fuck shit up!

Seriously though, like cops a security system isn't going to prevent someone from breaking in. It will just allow you to catch them after the fact and hopefully in process. Even guns aren't useful unless you actually train to be able to use then AND are willing to use them if you have to. The simple reality is outside of certain areas home invasions are uncommon! That's not to say you shouldn't be prepared but being prepared requires work!

Pretty much. Even guns are a false security blanket; you're much more likely to get shot in your home if you have a gun in the house, period. I don't fault people who have either - the peace of mind has a definite value for some - but the fact of the matter is the increase in personal safety is negligible.

[Bugeater]

I live in the crappiest house in a nice neighborhood, so I don't really worry about anyone picking my place to come in and steal shit. There's much better targets around here.

[DaneMcCloud]

I'm kind of anti-home-security, personally. I know that's a weird thing to say, but I've always found it irritating that videos like the one you're referencing scare people to death when the fact of the matter is that you're safer in your home today that people have been at pretty much any point in history.

Scary shit happens in the world, but that doesn't mean I'm going to live my life scared.

I think it depends where you live.

We have some close friends that lived in Hancock Park that never used their security system. They have easy street access (unlike the Hills) and one night at 2am, two guys broke into their home. He doesn't own a gun but he grabbed a baseball bat and was hitting them as they were trying to find loot. Their dogs were barking but didn't attack (although the dogs surrounded his wife to protect her). Finally, the attackers left. They were so spooked that they couldn't even live in their home for two months and later sold it. From that point on, I began using my alarm system every night.

In 2009, someone tried to break into my home while we were visiting KC. We're we barely gone 8 hours before the attempt, so they were definitely casing my home. The alarm went off at 4am but by the time the police responded, they were gone.

In 2010, it happened again. Same window, no theft, but attempted break in. In 2011, not only did the alarm go off but my phone box was found wide open, as the burglars were attempting to cut the phone wires, so that ADT and the police would not be notified. It's 12 foot up the side of the house so they had to bring a ladder. I put a heavy duty padlock on the box when we returned to town.

Since then, I added another seven foot gate with spikes on top so they can't access that window and additional gate out back. I've added the ADT Pulse system, which includes a cell phone to call ADT if the phone lines are cut, cameras, along with numerous other safety features (dead bolts, security doors, more external gates, etc.).

The oddest part is that my house is a fort and I have no idea why anyone would want to walk up or down 50 stairs, in the dark, without knowing where they're going. But, I'm not a thief, so I can't possibly understand that mindset.

All I can do is protect my home and belongings the best I can.

[DaFace]

I completely disagree, security systems will prevent break ins, it has been shown that just home security signs can be efficient. Most robbers would leave a house when the siren of the alarm goes off (if close to other houses).

The issue to me is just that you're not starting from a high probability that you'll be broken into in the first place. You're definitely correct that a security system (or even the sign as you mentioned) is a deterrent. But (purely making up numbers here) if 99% of people will never be broken into in their lives and the security system cuts your chances of being broken into in half, you just increased your chances of being broken into by 0.5%. The value of that 0.5% is the question.

[El Jefe]

Pretty much. Even guns are a false security blanket; you're much more likely to get shot in your home if you have a gun in the house, period. I don't fault people who have either - the peace of mind has a definite value for some - but the fact of the matter is the increase in personal safety is negligible.

I agree completely with your last statement. Most people do not have the training to use a firearm correctly. Mix that in with darkness and arousal from deep sleep and you have a gun wielding person who would be more dangerous to themselves than the intruder.

[DaFace]

I think it depends where you live...

I think that's fair. Some neighborhoods are more prone to issues than others for sure. And you probably have more stuff to steal than the average Joe might as well.

[Fairplay]

I live in the crappiest house in a nice neighborhood, so I don't really worry about anyone picking my place to come in and steal shit. There's much better targets around here.



There's a saying its better to have the worst home in the neighborhood then having the best.

[Hammock Parties]

Would love to see pics of Dane's Fort.

[DaneMcCloud]

I think that's fair. Some neighborhoods are more prone to issues than others for sure. And you probably have more stuff to steal than the average Joe might as well.

The strange thing is that our neighborhood was deemed the safest in the USA just a year or two ago (90068). I guess maybe they didn't take into account robbery attempts?

[DaneMcCloud]

Would love to see pics of Dane's Fort.

They're on here some where

[El Jefe]

They're on here some where

Would love to see pics as well, sounds pretty sweet.

[Fairplay]

The strange thing is that our neighborhood was deemed the safest in the USA just a year or two ago (90068). I guess maybe they didn't take into account robbery attempts?



Sounds like someone pulled some strings to raise the property values up would be my assessment.

[Munson]

Just post a "gun-free zone" sign outside your residence.

Its guaranteed to prevent crime. LMAO

[El Jefe]

I guess another reason I was thinking about this was because last Saturday my cousin and her husbands house was robbed. They lost anything of value, and they feel very compromised and have been contemplating moving now.

[DaneMcCloud]

Sounds like someone pulled some strings to raise the property values up would be my assessment.

Nah, are property values weren't hurt much by the crash and are almost back to Pre-crash numbers.

[Frazod]

ADT + guns. Should be sufficient.

[DaneMcCloud]

Would love to see pics as well, sounds pretty sweet.

It's really hard to photograph because it's 45 foot tall. Street level pics don't do it justice and I can't take a front facing pic from the opposing hillside anymore due to the neighbor's gigantic, mega dangerous tree.

[Fairplay]

My brother worked in an embassy in Honduras his house was surrounded by 12 foot walls with cut up glass on top of the walls.



The Bourne Ultimatum movie had a scene in Italy I think where Jason was climbing over similar walls using wrapped cloth to protect his hands it brought back memories.

[Frazod]

I think it depends where you live.

We have some close friends that lived in Hancock Park that never used their security system. They have easy street access (unlike the Hills) and one night at 2am, two guys broke into their home. He doesn't own a gun but he grabbed a baseball bat and was hitting them as they were trying to find loot. Their dogs were barking but didn't attack (although the dogs surrounded his wife to protect her). Finally, the attackers left. They were so spooked that they couldn't even live in their home for two months and later sold it. From that point on, I began using my alarm system every night.

In 2009, someone tried to break into my home while we were visiting KC. We're we barely gone 8 hours before the attempt, so they were definitely casing my home. The alarm went off at 4am but by the time the police responded, they were gone.

In 2010, it happened again. Same window, no theft, but attempted break in. In 2011, not only did the alarm go off but my phone box was found wide open, as the burglars were attempting to cut the phone wires, so that ADT and the police would not be notified. It's 12 foot up the side of the house so they had to bring a ladder. I put a heavy duty padlock on the box when we returned to town.

Since then, I added another seven foot gate with spikes on top so they can't access that window and additional gate out back. I've added the ADT Pulse system, which includes a cell phone to call ADT if the phone lines are cut, cameras, along with numerous other safety features (dead bolts, security doors, more external gates, etc.).

The oddest part is that my house is a fort and I have no idea why anyone would want to walk up or down 50 stairs, in the dark, without knowing where they're going. But, I'm not a thief, so I can't possibly understand that mindset.

All I can do is protect my home and belongings the best I can.

Jesus Christ - sounds like somebody's really got a hard-on for your stuff.

You might want to add a shotgun to your home defense plan.

[El Jefe]

It's really hard to photograph because it's 45 foot tall. Street level pics don't do it justice and I can't take a front facing pic from the opposing hillside anymore due to the neighbor's gigantic, mega dangerous tree.

Dag gone man! Congrats on getting to that level!

[DaneMcCloud]

Jesus Christ - sounds like somebody's really got a hard-on for your stuff.

You might want to add a shotgun to your home defense plan.

I've thought about it but the good thing is that the attempts have occurred when we've been out of town. The Labs would scare them away because they are LOUD.

I'm not anti-gun in the least but I've never shot or even held a gun. I think I recall telling you that the former head of SWAT (now a SWAT trainer) has offered on numerous occasions to teach me, but life always gets one way.

Someday...

[ThaVirus]

Home security is something I've never worried about. I recognize the fact that people often don't until they've had their first experience though...

[DaneMcCloud]

Dag gone man! Congrats on getting to that level!

Thanks, Dude! We've been here for ten years now and while I love the home, it a PITA when I go to Costco and have to unload. Or, if I just forget something when I get in the car and realize it's in the bedroom 50 stairs up.

:doh!:

[El Jefe]

Home security is something I've never worried about. I recognize the fact that people often don't until they've had their first experience though...

See that is where I was. I am willing to spend the money, if I never have to use the system it is still well worth it to me.

[El Jefe]

Thanks, Dude! We've been here for ten years now and while I love the home, it a PITA when I go to Costco and have to unload. Or, if I just forget something when I get in the car and realize it's in the bedroom 50 stairs up.

:doh!:

I bet in you're in great shape though! Probably hasn't hurt the wife's glutes any either lol.

[Brock]

I live in the crappiest house in a nice neighborhood, so I don't really worry about anyone picking my place to come in and steal shit. There's much better targets around here.

Thieves don't care what your house looks like.

[Fairplay]

Yeah Dane I would keep the same cars out, if you do when you go out of town and tell an extremely limited number of people that you will be gone a few days that's for sure. I'm sure you know that already.

[DaFace]

They're on here some where

I thought I found them, but you must've deleted them all. :sulk:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=189314

[Fairplay]

Google always has aeriel views available.

[DaneMcCloud]

I thought I found them, but you must've deleted them all. :sulk:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=189314

Hmm, those are what I recall as well. On well, I must have had a reason to delete them but I can't remember why.

I'll try to post some pics later.

[DaneMcCloud]

Google always has aeriel views available.

The google views of my home are nine years old. It's odd to see them because the house has changed so much.

[crispystl]

The strange thing is that our neighborhood was deemed the safest in the USA just a year or two ago (90068). I guess maybe they didn't take into account robbery attempts?

It was probably Lindsay Lohan all wasted LMAO

[Frazod]

I've thought about it but the good thing is that the attempts have occurred when we've been out of town. The Labs would scare them away because they are LOUD.

I'm not anti-gun in the least but I've never shot or even held a gun. I think I recall telling you that the former head of SWAT (now a SWAT trainer) has offered on numerous occasions to teach me, but life always gets one way.

Someday...

Just remember, it's better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it.

I'd take that guy up on his offer. You can't beat that level of training.

[Frazod]

It was probably Lindsay Lohan all wasted LMAO

I was thinking a couple of Chris Brown's wayward posse members. :D

[LoneWolf]

I've got a security system with motion sensors and glass breaking sensors (Securenet, $31 a month), 3 shotguns, 2 high-powered rifles, 2 hand guns, and 2 highly trained attack Yorkshire Terriers. Come at me, bro.

[DaneMcCloud]

I thought I found them, but you must've deleted them all. :sulk:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=189314


I remember why I deleted them now: Irrational paranoia. I even removed my locale from the member map because we were leaving town for two weeks during the holidays. With so many recent burglary attempts, I began to get really nervous.

But, no attempted break ins occurred during that trip.

Coincidence?

:p

[DaneMcCloud]

Just remember, it's better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it.

I'd take that guy up on his offer. You can't beat that level of training.


Thanks for the advice! I will take him up on it when time permits.

[Donger]

A rather protective male Dobermann.

If that fails, shotgun.

[DaneMcCloud]

A rather protective male Dobermann.

If that fails, shotgun.

You own a shotgun?

[TribalElder]

My dobie is female

But yeah, Doberman + firearm + house alarm

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Yep, I'm hooking diesel fuel to my lawn sprinkler sysyem so when they try to escape I can light their shit up !

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

I'm hanging my Aaron Hernandez jersey on the front of my house .

[Psyko Tek]

I don't have any shit worth stealing
and that has worked out so far
:thumb:

[Bugeater]

Thieves don't care what your house looks like.
Well then they're going to be disappointed if they do pick my place.

[Donger]

You own a shotgun?

Yes, I do now.

[Donger]

My dobie is female

But yeah, Doberman + firearm + house alarm

Female Dobes are actually superior with regard to protecting family, IMO.

[Jimmya]

It's amazing how many people say "you better be trained to use a gun"... Do these people actually believe that dumba** criminals train to use guns? Sometimes society makes it sound like the criminals are Harvard educated. I have a 45 loaded I am my house at all times.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Parents house got robbed when I was younger.

Parents were at work, I was at school.

Long story short...Cop told us the best security system you can get is a dog.

[Hoover]

ADT
180 lbs of German Shepard
Guns
6ft fence around all but the front of the house.
Sheriffs Deputy two doors down doesn't hurt either.

[DaFace]

It's amazing how many people say "you better be trained to use a gun"... Do these people actually believe that dumba** criminals train to use guns? Sometimes society makes it sound like the criminals are Harvard educated. I have a 45 loaded I am my house at all times.

It's 100% undeniable fact that having a gun in your home makes you more likely to be shot, and lack of training is a likely reason why.

[Molitoth]

I sleep next to my sig 2340.

[tooge]

A good big dog helps too. Mine would probably just lick the intruder and roll over for a belly rub if he came in the house. Her bark is loud and deep tho and would probably keep him from coming in.

[Fairplay]

HOME DEFENSE SYSTEM
Step 1
Razor wire
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Step 2
Minefield
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Step 3
Attack dogs unleashed
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Step 4
Security alarm tiggered/Police in route
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Step 5
Which gun to choose/decisions, decisions
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Step 6
The inevitable gunfight
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Step 7- With the burglar dead the gang he was with vows vengeance for
their fallen brother/ Prepare for another night of mayhem at the residence of the law abiding citizen
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[UL Washington]

I got eleven motion lights, 26 guns and nine attack dogs.

AINT NOBODY GONNA GIT ME!

In a studio apartment no less.

[Setsuna]

Get an armory and stock up on bastard swords, long swords, broad swords, and rapiers and daggers (for the ladies).

[bevischief]

My youngest dog will kill whatever come thru whatever door/window and he is fighting cancer. Then you deal with me. His bark scares everyone. Most people refuse to in come in unless I am present because of him. Because his bark and growl.

[Stewie]

I have a simple security system. It has entrances covered and motion detectors. It's not linked to any service, but makes a hell of a lot of noise. It also came with security system warning information that is posted in front and back.

I also have a 12 gauge shot gun for home defense.

[R8RFAN]

Simplisafe security system (24.95 monitoring) + Multiple firearms.. Always a gun within hands reach when sleeping...

[R8RFAN]

Door Wedge Alarms
http://www.amazon.com/Dr-Leonards-Door-Wedge-Alarm/dp/B002TSO4IK

Gives you a few valuable seconds + may scare off an intruder before he gets in

Or The alternative

http://108.imagebam.com/download/L5z4Gggl95REblwwRC1mxw/26308/263076320/guns.JPG

[Frazod]

It's amazing how many people say "you better be trained to use a gun"... Do these people actually believe that dumba** criminals train to use guns? Sometimes society makes it sound like the criminals are Harvard educated. I have a 45 loaded I am my house at all times.

:spock:

Life's not a video game, Rambo. Just because you can hit a bullseye at the range doesn't mean you're ready to roll when you're awakened by an alarm, the sound of breaking glass or a screaming family member in the middle of the night. Is the safety on? Is the gun loaded? Who's in my house? How many? Where are they? What are they doing? Have you thought about what happens if you turn on a light? Will that enable them to see you before you see them? What happens if your gun jams? Will you have the presence of mind to clear it, or just panic? All these things going through your mind when you've just woke up in the middle of the night and your heart is pounding and the adrenaline is pumping, and you've got a loaded gun in your hand. I've been in this situation, and believe me, you will not be as ready as you think. The more training you have, the better. The more familiar and comfortable you are with your weapon, the better. So what if the crackhead intruder can't shoot worth a crap? It's not like he's going to be sniping you from across the street. You aren't looking for a fair fight; you're looking to preserve your life and the lives of your family.

[LoneWolf]

:spock:

Life's not a video game, Rambo. Just because you can hit a bullseye at the range doesn't mean you're ready to roll when you're awakened by an alarm, the sound of breaking glass or a screaming family member in the middle of the night. Is the safety on? Is the gun loaded? Who's in my house? How many? Where are they? What are they doing? Have you thought about what happens if you turn on a light? Will that enable them to see you before you see them? What happens if your gun jams? Will you have the presence of mind to clear it, or just panic? All these things going through your mind when you've just woke up in the middle of the night and your heart is pounding and the adrenaline is pumping, and you've got a loaded gun in your hand. I've been in this situation, and believe me, you will not be as ready as you think. The more training you have, the better. The more familiar and comfortable you are with your weapon, the better. So what if the crackhead intruder can't shoot worth a crap? It's not like he's going to be sniping you from across the street. You aren't looking for a fair fight; you're looking to preserve your life and the lives of your family.

You actually dealt with an intruder at your home? I'd love to hear that story.

[Bugeater]

You actually dealt with an intruder at your home? I'd love to hear that story.
You haven't heard the story? A refrigerator broke in at 3 in the morning, and he shot that fucker dead.

[LoneWolf]

You haven't heard the story? A refrigerator broke in at 3 in the morning, and he shot that ****er dead.

Yeah, you've got to keep your cool when being attacked by a refrigerator. You don't want to freeze up under the pressure.

[Frazod]

You actually dealt with an intruder at your home? I'd love to hear that story.

One real incident and one false alarm.

Real incident - I lived in a shitty neighborhood in Chicago. I had taken the trash out and failed to securely shut the back door. I was in the apartment alone, both my roommates were out, and I heard somebody rummaging around in the kitchen. I knew I had three choices - do nothing, run out the front door, or go for my roommate's gun. I ran for the gun, grabbed it, chambered a round and went charging toward the kitchen. At some point during all this the intruder fled. Didn't take anything I'm aware of and I never saw who it was.

False alarm - my infamous refrigerator incident. Short version - alarm went off, I charged downstairs half asleep, saw it was a false alarm, turning the alarm off, accidentally discharged revolver when I tried to decock it. That's the kind of shit that happens in real life when you're half asleep and freaked out.

[Frazod]

You haven't heard the story? A refrigerator broke in at 3 in the morning, and he shot that fucker dead.

I hate you. nlm

[R8RFAN]

did the fridge survive?

[houstonwhodat]

Nothing is ninja proof.

[Raiderhater]

I rely on a Kimber 1911.

[lewdog]

Simplisafe security system (24.95 monitoring) + Multiple firearms.. Always a gun within hands reach when sleeping...

Free installation with that company?

$25 a month is reasonable.

[DaFace]

I've got an honest question for all of those who like having a gun around for home defense, and I promise there's no ulterior motive here - I'm just curious about the thought process.

As I've mentioned a couple times in this thread, the stats are pretty clear that you increase the likelihood that you or a family member will be shot just by having a gun in the house (even when controlled for training, storage, etc.). Here's a decent article (http://www.minnpost.com/second-opinion/2012/12/health-risk-having-gun-home) that discusses all of the possible reasons why if you're interested.

As I'm sure many of you have noticed, I'm a numbers guy, so the stats make it a pretty clear choice for me. But for those who prefer to have a gun around, what's the logic? It seems that any of these are plausible rationalizations:

1. Most people aren't as careful as I am
2. I'd rather go down shooting than be unable to defend myself
3. The studies are wrong/biased/etc.

Am I on track with the above? Are there other reasons I'm not thinking of?

[R8RFAN]

Free installation with that company?

$25 a month is reasonable.

You install it yourself, it's wireless and you own it runs off internal cellular and/or home phone... but no home phone is needed...

turn it on and off by your phone
get alerts when it is turned on or off or when it goes off

I love the system, trip the alarm and your phone will be ringing, Don't answer it or give them a wrong password and the cops are on the way

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[R8RFAN]

I've got an honest question for all of those who like having a gun around for home defense, and I promise there's no ulterior motive here - I'm just curious about the thought process.

As I've mentioned a couple times in this thread, the stats are pretty clear that you increase the likelihood that you or a family member will be shot just by having a gun in the house (even when controlled for training, storage, etc.). Here's a decent article (http://www.minnpost.com/second-opinion/2012/12/health-risk-having-gun-home) that discusses all of the possible reasons why if you're interested.

As I'm sure many of you have noticed, I'm a numbers guy, so the stats make it a pretty clear choice for me. But for those who prefer to have a gun around, what's the logic? It seems that any of these are plausible rationalizations:

1. Most people aren't as careful as I am
2. I'd rather go down shooting than be unable to defend myself
3. The studies are wrong/biased/etc.

Am I on track with the above? Are there other reasons I'm not thinking of?

2....

You are more likely to get in a wreck if you own a car or ride in one too

[LiveSteam]

3. The studies are wrong/biased/etc.

[R8RFAN]

The main thing you need is a few seconds to prevent a sneak attack

two ways to get into the house (besides windows which you will be able to hear breakage)
Garage and front door...

When my alarm is set in home and away mode I have motion sensors in the garage and plus door sensors.

When I am away at night or go to sleep a door knob security bar is on the front door
http://gallery.drfaulken.com/d/2057-1/IMG_6322.JPG

This will not keep someone from getting in but should slow them down.

Also have a door wedge alarm
http://images.drleonards.com/images/items/18170_large.gif

The purpose is to gain a few extra critical seconds.

+ I have a trained attack dog .. No one gets close to the house unannounced when you have a Terrier

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/312559_169382846489926_604580027_n.jpg

Also have a Simplisafe Panic Button installed on backside of headboard, cops are automatically dispatched without a call from the call center
http://the-gadgeteer.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/simplisafe-6.jpg

[DaFace]

2....

You are more likely to get in a wreck if you own a car or ride in one too

Well, sure, but the car adds additional value (transportation), while the gun's primary purpose (self preservation) is of questionable benefit in the first place based on the research. Thus, my question about what the logic is.

Your selection of #2 is perfectly valid, though. I can understand that.

[Bwana]

I've got an honest question for all of those who like having a gun around for home defense, and I promise there's no ulterior motive here - I'm just curious about the thought process.

As I've mentioned a couple times in this thread, the stats are pretty clear that you increase the likelihood that you or a family member will be shot just by having a gun in the house (even when controlled for training, storage, etc.). Here's a decent article (http://www.minnpost.com/second-opinion/2012/12/health-risk-having-gun-home) that discusses all of the possible reasons why if you're interested.

As I'm sure many of you have noticed, I'm a numbers guy, so the stats make it a pretty clear choice for me. But for those who prefer to have a gun around, what's the logic? It seems that any of these are plausible rationalizations:

1. Most people aren't as careful as I am
2. I'd rather go down shooting than be unable to defend myself
3. The studies are wrong/biased/etc.

Am I on track with the above? Are there other reasons I'm not thinking of?

I keep a loaded 12 gauge assault shotgun by my bed. It holds 8 3" Mag rounds but I only keep seven in the gun, There isn't one in the chamber, all I do is give it a pump and that's take care of. I have a very bright flashlight/laser with a finger switch on the gun where you hold your hand when jacking shells in and out. My dirtbag load of choice is number one Buck.

I don't worry about stats. The only stat I worry about is the size of hole I blow through the lowlife that breaks into my house.

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

I'd wonder what they left me out of pity.

[Raiderhater]

I've got an honest question for all of those who like having a gun around for home defense, and I promise there's no ulterior motive here - I'm just curious about the thought process.

As I've mentioned a couple times in this thread, the stats are pretty clear that you increase the likelihood that you or a family member will be shot just by having a gun in the house (even when controlled for training, storage, etc.). Here's a decent article (http://www.minnpost.com/second-opinion/2012/12/health-risk-having-gun-home) that discusses all of the possible reasons why if you're interested.

As I'm sure many of you have noticed, I'm a numbers guy, so the stats make it a pretty clear choice for me. But for those who prefer to have a gun around, what's the logic? It seems that any of these are plausible rationalizations:

1. Most people aren't as careful as I am
2. I'd rather go down shooting than be unable to defend myself
3. The studies are wrong/biased/etc.

Am I on track with the above? Are there other reasons I'm not thinking of?


2. I am not a big fan of being at a disadvantage. And even less of a fan of being a victim.

[Raiderhater]

Well, sure, but the car adds additional value (transportation), while the gun's primary purpose (self preservation) is of questionable benefit in the first place based on the research. Thus, my question about what the logic is.

Your selection of #2 is perfectly valid, though. I can understand that.


The gun offers the added value of shooting, which many people very much enjoy.

[MOhillbilly]

Two pitbulls,anitolian shepherd, and some other shit.

[DaFace]

The gun offers the added value of shooting, which many people very much enjoy.

To be clear, I'm not talking about owning a gun in general (and keeping it in a garage, etc.). If you want to own guns for hunting, fun, or in case of some sort of all-out war, more power to you.

I'm specifically talking about having one in the house for self-defense, and I'd think most people don't really enjoy shooting one in their house (except possibly frazod).

[Bwana]

To be clear, I'm not talking about owning a gun in general (and keeping it in a garage, etc.). If you want to own guns for hunting, fun, or in case of some sort of all-out war, more power to you.

I'm specifically talking about having one in the house for self-defense, and I'd think most people don't really enjoy shooting one in their house (except possibly frazod).

I don't anyone would enjoy that, but if it came down to it I would rather be sad I shot some hood, than taking a dirt nap myself.

[TribalElder]

You install it yourself, it's wireless and you own it runs off internal cellular and/or home phone... but no home phone is needed...

turn it on and off by your phone
get alerts when it is turned on or off or when it goes off

I love the system, trip the alarm and your phone will be ringing, Don't answer it or give them a wrong password and the cops are on the way

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I was looking at something similar from http://www.frontpointsecurity.com/features/safe

I currently have adt but like the price point and do it yourself features

How much did it set you back to get in the game

[R8RFAN]

To be clear, I'm not talking about owning a gun in general (and keeping it in a garage, etc.). If you want to own guns for hunting, fun, or in case of some sort of all-out war, more power to you.

I'm specifically talking about having one in the house for self-defense, and I'd think most people don't really enjoy shooting one in their house (except possibly frazod).

The only way to defend against a gun is with a gun in my mind...

Multiple people home invasions are rare but they do happen...
You have the most advantage to defend yourself in your own home because you know where everything is... We have a plan here in case the SHTF and my family knows what to do ... We talk about it alot... The main thing is to not shoot your own family...

[R8RFAN]

I was looking at something similar from http://www.frontpointsecurity.com/features/safe

I currently have adt but like the price point and do it yourself features

How much did it set you back to get in the game
300 bucks depending on how many doors you have to protect...

But the system is yours and it's portable... You move and you take it with you... Perfect for Apartments , Dorms,.

They have great customer service too, something does not work right... They replace it...

Batteries are cheaper elsewhere like ebay for the system but I have had it like 2 years now with all the same batteries and no problems at all

[DaFace]

The only way to defend against a gun is with a gun in my mind...

Multiple people home invasions are rare but they do happen...
You have the most advantage to defend yourself in your own home because you know where everything is... We have a plan here in case the SHTF and my family knows what to do ... We talk about it alot... The main thing is to not shoot your own family...

Interesting. Thanks.

[R8RFAN]

Interesting. Thanks.

Daughter is almost 17, do not yet trust her with a gun as she has not been properly trained..

When she turns 18 she will be trained properly by a pro... Maybe sooner..

She currently keeps this in her room and she will use it if needed.

http://thumbnails102.imagebam.com/26312/0ec976263117849.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/0ec976263117849)

[TribalElder]

300 bucks depending on how many doors you have to protect...

But the system is yours and it's portable... You move and you take it with you... Perfect for Apartments , Dorms,.

They have great customer service too, something does not work right... They replace it...

Batteries are cheaper elsewhere like ebay for the system but I have had it like 2 years now with all the same batteries and no problems at all

The anti crash and smash along with dual panels are my main motivation.

Thanks for the info

[R8RFAN]

For a woman or person afraid of guns...

I would suggest

http://thumbnails102.imagebam.com/26312/0ec976263117849.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/0ec976263117849)

+

http://www.hammonssupply.com/sitebuilder/images/DSC03282-301x849.jpg

[Bwana]

For a woman or person afraid of guns...

I would suggest

http://thumbnails102.imagebam.com/26312/0ec976263117849.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/0ec976263117849)




http://www.kotulas.com/wcsstore/KotulaCatalogAssetStore/images/product/162805_lg.jpg

[R8RFAN]

The anti crash and smash along with dual panels are my main motivation.

Thanks for the info

everything is configurable .. you set the time it takes from entry for alarm to go off from instant to 90 seconds.

Test Mode to make sure it all works and it talks to you in test mode "Motion Detected" or "Door or window opened" If the power is cut the system has battery backup that will last 4 days .. No internet or phone line needed only cell phone service

[R8RFAN]

http://www.kayakcam.com/image/mountain-bike-yellowstone-bear-spray.jpg


Or that :thumb:

[lewdog]

Yea Pepper spray might be good to get. I think I will do that.

My gf can spray them, then I will come in with the baseball bat for the damage.

[TribalElder]

everything is configurable .. you set the time it takes from entry for alarm to go off from instant to 90 seconds.

Test Mode to make sure it all works and it talks to you in test mode "Motion Detected" or "Door or window opened" If the power is cut the system has battery backup that will last 4 days .. No internet or phone line needed only cell phone service

Do you have to pay a monthly cell bill on the system?

[R8RFAN]

Do you have to pay a monthly cell bill on the system?

No that's included in the monitoring for 24.95 a month... You can disable the cell monitoring if and hook it to a landline and have it call YOUR phone if you want... there is NO contract and NO forced home monitoring... You can turn it off a month and restart as you please.

[Saulbadguy]

I have a cat who is a real asshole.

[LoneWolf]

I have a cat who is a real asshole.

So what your saying is that you have some mean pussy at home? Congrats. :thumb:

[Raiderhater]

To be clear, I'm not talking about owning a gun in general (and keeping it in a garage, etc.). If you want to own guns for hunting, fun, or in case of some sort of all-out war, more power to you.

I'm specifically talking about having one in the house for self-defense, and I'd think most people don't really enjoy shooting one in their house (except possibly frazod).

I did not mean to infer enjoyment from shooting in your home. :spock: I meant the joy of taking the gun to the range (or country as I prefer) and practicing. Or maybe even competitions. Just because a firearm might be intended for home defense does not mean it has to just sit in the night stand until a home defense situation occurs.

[Buehler445]

I'm kind of anti-home-security, personally. I know that's a weird thing to say, but I've always found it irritating that videos like the one you're referencing scare people to death when the fact of the matter is that you're safer in your home today that people have been at pretty much any point in history.

Scary shit happens in the world, but that doesn't mean I'm going to live my life scared.

EDIT: Just for fun, here's a chart I put this together a while back when discussing the Sandy Hook incident with some family members.

http://i.imgur.com/rHXLZxv.jpg

LOL

Sometimes I think I'm a number monkey nerd, but I've never compiled a chart of 20 years of data to settle a family discussion.

Anyway, DaFace, I don't have a gun in the house, but always intended to. I think in my house I have a pretty significant tactical advantage if I have to defend myself. That being said, if I had my shotgun inside, it'd be pretty tough for anybody to get the best of me in my house as long as I'm there.

I understand your statistical approach. And for the most part, I agree. That's why I haven't made it a priority to get my shotgun inside. Scott is a pretty small town. For the most part, it is pretty safe.

That being said, wife was one of those statistics on your chart when we were in college. She got her apartment broken into while she was staying with me. It sucked bawls. She was freaked out. I was furious. I think I know who did it and it took a LOT of restraint not to kick down the door and start curb stomping fuckers. It was pretty hard on her. To me, it was just stuff. I'm not scared, but she was. What scared me was if she'd have been in there and if she had gotten hurt or raped. That was a pretty significant event in our lives, even though from a dollars perspective, it was virtually nothing.

I can certainly understand people doing whatever they can to avoid being in danger, even if the probability is fairly low.

[Fairplay]

You might want to add a shotgun to your home defense plan.


Reminds me of a youtube video on home defense called Double Barreled Shotgun VS. AR-15 by this guy named hickok45. He has lots of gun videos I'm sure some of you are familiar with this man's work, he is fun to watch.

Check out this video at the 30 second mark, he shoots at a target 10 feet away and missed, lol. But the point is just because you have a shotgun at close range doesn't mean you can't miss.

Long story short in the video the AR-15 wins the contest hands down.

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[DaFace]

I can certainly understand people doing whatever they can to avoid being in danger, even if the probability is fairly low.

Yeah, but that's where the issue lies as I see it - you're far more likely to shoot someone on accident (or on purpose in some case) than you are to ever actually have to defend yourself. Even in cases where it does happen like did with your wife, a vast majority of burglaries happen when no one is home, so the gun wouldn't have made a difference anyway.

Again, I don't fault people for wanting the sense of security that having a gun around brings, but you're fooling yourself if you think you're substantively safer by having one.

[TribalElder]

look, another KC home invasion

GRANDVIEW, Mo. - Police are looking for three men who reportedly tortured four Grandview residents for more than three hours early Sunday morning.
Police said the men broke into a home in the 11800 block of Delmar at 2 a.m. Sunday. One woman was raped and three men were scalded with hot grease, according to Grandview Police.
Police said one of the men also got an ankle injury after a suspect assaulted him with a power tool.
Police received a 911 call at 5:30 a.m., when one of the victims was able to run to a neighbor’s home to call police. All four victims were taken to an area hospital for treatment. None of them injuries were life threatening.
Police said the suspects fled after stealing a vehicle. Kansas City, Mo., police recovered that car, but there was no sign of the suspects.
Anyone with information regarding the suspects or the crime is urged to contact the TIPS hotline at 816-474-TIPS.


Read more: http://www.kshb.com/dpp/news/crime/police-looking-for-3-men-involved-in-reported-rape-and-torture#ixzz2XjqRN1vp

[DaFace]

(Personal opinion here - not stats.) The other issue I see is that most burglaries are intended to steal shit, not to kill people. While some burglars may carry a weapon in case they end up having to confront people, their primary intent is to steal things of value. Even when confronted, most aren't going to immediately want to kill someone if they don't have to. They'll make threats, they'll point a gun at you, but they're not going to pull a trigger unless they're really feeling threatened. And a homeowner pointing a gun at someone is decidedly threatening.

Will you get to them first? Maybe. But there's a good chance shots wouldn't have been fired in the first place had the homeowner not gone in guns blazing.

[R8RFAN]

(Personal opinion here - not stats.) The other issue I see is that most burglaries are intended to steal shit, not to kill people. While some burglars may carry a weapon in case they end up having to confront people, their primary intent is to steal things of value. Even when confronted, most aren't going to immediately want to kill someone if they don't have to. They'll make threats, they'll point a gun at you, but they're not going to pull a trigger unless they're really feeling threatened. And a homeowner pointing a gun at someone is decidedly threatening.

Will you get to them first? Maybe. But there's a good chance shots wouldn't have been fired in the first place had the homeowner not gone in guns blazing.

How bout just give the homeowner a rape whistle?

[Bugeater]

look, another KC home invasion

GRANDVIEW, Mo. - Police are looking for three men who reportedly tortured four Grandview residents for more than three hours early Sunday morning.
Police said the men broke into a home in the 11800 block of Delmar at 2 a.m. Sunday. One woman was raped and three men were scalded with hot grease, according to Grandview Police.
Police said one of the men also got an ankle injury after a suspect assaulted him with a power tool.
Police received a 911 call at 5:30 a.m., when one of the victims was able to run to a neighbor’s home to call police. All four victims were taken to an area hospital for treatment. None of them injuries were life threatening.
Police said the suspects fled after stealing a vehicle. Kansas City, Mo., police recovered that car, but there was no sign of the suspects.
Anyone with information regarding the suspects or the crime is urged to contact the TIPS hotline at 816-474-TIPS.


Read more: http://www.kshb.com/dpp/news/crime/police-looking-for-3-men-involved-in-reported-rape-and-torture#ixzz2XjqRN1vp
Fuck it, I'm buying a gun.

Actually, whenever I read a story like that, I can't help but think there's more to it than what's being told. If someone is coming into your house to steal shit, why would they waste their time torturing and raping? This seems more like some sort of "payback" type of thing. I find it hard to believe shit like that just randomly happens.

[R8RFAN]

look, another KC home invasion

GRANDVIEW, Mo. - Police are looking for three men who reportedly tortured four Grandview residents for more than three hours early Sunday morning.
Police said the men broke into a home in the 11800 block of Delmar at 2 a.m. Sunday. One woman was raped and three men were scalded with hot grease, according to Grandview Police.
Police said one of the men also got an ankle injury after a suspect assaulted him with a power tool.
Police received a 911 call at 5:30 a.m., when one of the victims was able to run to a neighbor’s home to call police. All four victims were taken to an area hospital for treatment. None of them injuries were life threatening.
Police said the suspects fled after stealing a vehicle. Kansas City, Mo., police recovered that car, but there was no sign of the suspects.
Anyone with information regarding the suspects or the crime is urged to contact the TIPS hotline at 816-474-TIPS.


Read more: http://www.kshb.com/dpp/news/crime/police-looking-for-3-men-involved-in-reported-rape-and-torture#ixzz2XjqRN1vp

Now this is why you need High Cap Mags
Perfect Job for my AK-47 or AR-15

[TribalElder]

**** it, I'm buying a gun.

Actually, whenever I read a story like that, I can't help but think there's more to it than what's being told. If someone is coming into your house to steal shit, why would they waste their time torturing and raping? This seems more like some sort of "payback" type of thing. I find it hard to believe shit like that just randomly happens.

There probably is more to the story. Why torture them unless you need some information or something. Still though, people are stupid now days and are very unpredictable

[Bugeater]

(Personal opinion here - not stats.) The other issue I see is that most burglaries are intended to steal shit, not to kill people. While some burglars may carry a weapon in case they end up having to confront people, their primary intent is to steal things of value. Even when confronted, most aren't going to immediately want to kill someone if they don't have to. They'll make threats, they'll point a gun at you, but they're not going to pull a trigger unless they're really feeling threatened. And a homeowner pointing a gun at someone is decidedly threatening.

Will you get to them first? Maybe. But there's a good chance shots wouldn't have been fired in the first place had the homeowner not gone in guns blazing.
Yeah, when you introduce a gun into a situation like that, you're raising the stakes immensely. That's what I was getting at earlier when I said that if you grab a gun, you better be damn sure you're ready to use it, and be willing to use it to kill.

[Buehler445]

Yeah, but that's where the issue lies as I see it - you're far more likely to shoot someone on accident (or on purpose in some case) than you are to ever actually have to defend yourself. Even in cases where it does happen like did with your wife, a vast majority of burglaries happen when no one is home, so the gun wouldn't have made a difference anyway.

Again, I don't fault people for wanting the sense of security that having a gun around brings, but you're fooling yourself if you think you're substantively safer by having one.

Yeah. I hear you. If we have a kid, no gun where a kid can get it. At that point, the probability is higher that the kid will hurt themselves as opposed to me protecting them with it.

(Personal opinion here - not stats.) The other issue I see is that most burglaries are intended to steal shit, not to kill people. While some burglars may carry a weapon in case they end up having to confront people, their primary intent is to steal things of value. Even when confronted, most aren't going to immediately want to kill someone if they don't have to. They'll make threats, they'll point a gun at you, but they're not going to pull a trigger unless they're really feeling threatened. And a homeowner pointing a gun at someone is decidedly threatening.

Will you get to them first? Maybe. But there's a good chance shots wouldn't have been fired in the first place had the homeowner not gone in guns blazing.

You're entirely too logical. In reality, it is far more logical to obtain material goods legally than steal them in almost any case. So by default, thieves are not logical.

Additionally, if a dude is willing to break the law and steal your shit, it's probably not that far away from not giving a fuck whether or not he blows a hole in some dude.

Here's how I see it going down. Dude decides he's going to break into my house. If he comes into my house without giving a fuck whether or not I'm there, he's probably not going to think twice about blowing a hole in my abdomen.

Dude comes in thinking I'm gone, and I yell "HEY MOTHERFUCKER". He's going to freak and act even farther from logic. His primary thought will be he needs to get the fuck out and save his hide. It's tough to preserve freedom when some dude just witnessed you breaking in and stealing his shit. Easiest way out. Blow a hole in the guy yelling at you.

I think the probability is a lot higher than you think of having somebody break in while you are there and you getting out unscathed.

[R8RFAN]

(Personal opinion here - not stats.) The other issue I see is that most burglaries are intended to steal shit, not to kill people. While some burglars may carry a weapon in case they end up having to confront people, their primary intent is to steal things of value. Even when confronted, most aren't going to immediately want to kill someone if they don't have to. They'll make threats, they'll point a gun at you, but they're not going to pull a trigger unless they're really feeling threatened. And a homeowner pointing a gun at someone is decidedly threatening.

Will you get to them first? Maybe. But there's a good chance shots wouldn't have been fired in the first place had the homeowner not gone in guns blazing.


Spend a weekend watching that show "LOCKUP" Think it comes on MSLSD .. Then tell me how you feel about your odds of wondering if someone will kill you just by the way you look or not...

Meth Heads will kill your ass for a dollar

[R8RFAN]

How bout your pretty wife there with you while you are negotiating with someone in your house with a gun... What ya gonna do when he tells your wife to get naked and come over there and suck his dick?

You aren't gonna tell him shit because if you do you are dead... And you still may be dead and her too soon after he finishes with your wife...

Sound harsh?

Think about it.

[Tribal Warfare]

Outside of a gun, 4 highly trained German Shepherds who are descendents of the Soviet border patrol canines are mine. They are proportioned like pitbulls, with insanely massive masseter muscles.

[Frazod]

To be clear, I'm not talking about owning a gun in general (and keeping it in a garage, etc.). If you want to own guns for hunting, fun, or in case of some sort of all-out war, more power to you.

I'm specifically talking about having one in the house for self-defense, and I'd think most people don't really enjoy shooting one in their house (except possibly frazod).

I can assure you, it was not enjoyable.

Neither is eternally being the punchline of a Jeff Foxworthy joke. :banghead:

[lewdog]

I will say that a large majority of the home invasion cases are drug or drug money related cases but aren't always stated that way simply because the victims aren't going to throw themselves under the bus about owing someone drugs/money.

If someone comes into my house looking to steal shit, I would much rather have them take whatever they want and leave without it having to get violent. Nothing I own is irreplaceable. While I own a gun, I think violence should still be the last option if that person is solely there to steal items. Threaten me or my family and it is a much different story.

[R8RFAN]

I will say that a large majority of the home invasion cases are drug or drug money related cases but aren't always stated that way simply because the victims aren't going to throw themselves under the bus about owing someone drugs/money.

If someone comes into my house looking to steal shit, I would much rather have them take whatever they want and leave without it having to get violent. Nothing I own is irreplaceable. While I own a gun, I think violence should still be the last option if that person is solely there to steal items. Threaten me or my family and it is a much different story.

They come to steal your gun too... Just hand it to them when they walk in

[Fairplay]

I don't have any shit worth stealing
and that has worked out so far




When you ain't got nothing, you got nothing to lose.

[notorious]

I will say that a large majority of the home invasion cases are drug or drug money related cases but aren't always stated that way simply because the victims aren't going to throw themselves under the bus about owing someone drugs/money.

If someone comes into my house looking to steal shit, I would much rather have them take whatever they want and leave without it having to get violent. Nothing I own is irreplaceable. While I own a gun, I think violence should still be the last option if that person is solely there to steal items. Threaten me or my family and it is a much different story.

When they entered your house they threaten your family.

Criminals don't think in a linear manner. Shit happens when crimes are being committed.

[Fairplay]

I will say that a large majority of the home invasion cases are drug or drug money related cases but aren't always stated that way simply because the victims aren't going to throw themselves under the bus about owing someone drugs/money.

If someone comes into my house looking to steal shit, I would much rather have them take whatever they want and leave without it having to get violent. Nothing I own is irreplaceable. While I own a gun, I think violence should still be the last option if that person is solely there to steal items. Threaten me or my family and it is a much different story.



Hold on criminal let me get my gun. :shake:

[R8RFAN]

How bout your pretty wife there with you while you are negotiating with someone in your house with a gun... What ya gonna do when he tells your wife to get naked and come over there and suck his dick?

You aren't gonna tell him shit because if you do you are dead... And you still may be dead and her too soon after he finishes with your wife...

Sound harsh?

Think about it.

Come on Ant-Gun folks... I want to read the answer to the above quote

[lewdog]

They come to steal your gun too... Just hand it to them when they walk in

Hold on criminal let me get my gun. :shake:

I guess that logic is pretty flawed. You would have to get the gun immediately because there wouldn't be another option later to do so.

[Bugeater]

I will say that a large majority of the home invasion cases are drug or drug money related cases but aren't always stated that way simply because the victims aren't going to throw themselves under the bus about owing someone drugs/money.

If someone comes into my house looking to steal shit, I would much rather have them take whatever they want and leave without it having to get violent. Nothing I own is irreplaceable. While I own a gun, I think violence should still be the last option if that person is solely there to steal items. Threaten me or my family and it is a much different story.
The problem is, when they come in, you don't know what they're after.

There really isn't a simple answer as to how to best handle the situation.

[R8RFAN]

The problem is, when they come in, you don't know what they're after.

There really isn't a simple answer as to how to best handle the situation.

Come through a locked door in NC and you are bought and paid for no matter what your intentions are..

You have No duty to retreat

[Bugeater]

Come through a locked door in NC and you are bought and paid for no matter what your intentions are..

You have No duty to retreat
And IMO it's your right to handle it in such a manner. But...

1. Not everyone is capable of taking another human life
2. The law doesn't always necessarily agree with you

[Fairplay]

You can always hold the gun on them and call the police to handle the situation.

[R8RFAN]

And IMO it's your right to handle it in such a manner. But...

1. Not everyone is capable of taking another human life
2. The law doesn't always necessarily agree with you

Castle Doctrine


"Castle laws" remove the duty to retreat before using deadly force when one is in their home or in some U.S. states just simply where one can legally be.[6]

[TribalElder]

Castle Doctrine

AKA

The Missouri Rule

[Bugeater]

Castle Doctrine


"Castle laws" remove the duty to retreat before using deadly force when one is in their home or in some U.S. states just simply where one can legally be.[6]
There's a lot of that article you left out.

[DaFace]

Come on Ant-Gun folks... I want to read the answer to the above quote

Honestly, it doesn't add much to the conversation and doesn't really deserve much of a response. Would that suck? Sure. Is that likely to happen? Not a chance.

My points in this thread have never been that it wouldn't suck balls to have someone break into your house, and I've acknowledged that having a gun around will likely make you feel more at peace about it. My point is just about playing the odds of survival in your favor based on what typically happens in the world.

As for your specific scenario, it would suck to be anally raped by a gorilla too, but that doesn't mean I'm going to start putting out gorilla traps around my house.

[R8RFAN]

Honestly, it doesn't add much to the conversation and doesn't really deserve much of a response. Would that suck? Sure. Is that likely to happen? Not a chance.

My points in this thread have never been that it wouldn't suck balls to have someone break into your house, and I've acknowledged that having a gun around will likely make you feel more at peace about it. My point is just about playing the odds of survival in your favor based on what typically happens in the world.

As for your specific scenario, it would suck to be anally raped by a gorilla too, but that doesn't mean I'm going to start putting out gorilla traps around my house.


Get a gun, you won't have to

[DaFace]

Get a gun, you won't have to

ROFL...touché.

[Raiderhater]

Get a gun, you won't have to

Dude, in this day and age you would most likely face the death penalty for killing a gorilla. I'll shoot a home invader and feel decent about my chances of being cleared of wrong doing. An endangered species though? He/she can have the run of the house. Otherwise I am most certainly a dead man.

[R8RFAN]

ROFL...touché.

The last thing I would hate to read about is that scenario.. Odds are low I agree but with all the gang shit going on in the world, crime and seemingly desperate times for more and more every day, I don't take anything for granted.. I sit at my computer with a .45 and nothing has happened in this neighborhood except a couple kids broke into some cars and stole a gps from me...

I may be a bit paranoid to some but I just don't trust this world anymore

[DaFace]

The last thing I would hate to read about is that scenario.. Odds are low I agree but with all the gang shit going on in the world, crime and seemingly desperate times for more and more every day, I don't take anything for granted.. I sit at my computer with a .45 and nothing has happened in this neighborhood except a couple kids broke into some cars and stole a gps from me...

I may be a bit paranoid to some but I just don't trust this world anymore

And that's certainly your right. It's not a mentality I think I would enjoy living with, which is probably why I have such a different approach to the home safety stuff, but different people think differently, and that's OK. :grouphug:

[R8RFAN]

Dude, in this day and age you would most likely face the death penalty for killing a gorilla. I'll shoot a home invader and feel decent about my chances of being cleared of wrong doing. An endangered species though? He/she can have the run of the house. Otherwise I am most certainly a dead man.

Not if the Gorilla enjoyed it...