Hall of Fame?

[bandwagonjumper]

Something different for a change. Do you think Eli Manning or Ben Rothlisberger will get into the Hall of Fame? Both won the superbowl twice and are starting quarterbacks for storied franchises for quite some time. I think there shouldn't but probably will. Hall of Famers should be difference makers and there are not. If Eli Manning ended up in San Diego or Ben Rothlisberger ended up in Cleveland neither of them would be in a discussion about it. Lets put it way if Eli Manning were the starting qb for the chiefs there wouldn't be a lock of the play offs or competing for the superbowl. If you would put Tom Brady or Peyton Manning in as chiefs qb there would.

[Simply Red]

COCK

[Simply Red]

Eli

[AussieChiefsFan]

I don't think they're first ballot HOFers, but they'll get in none-the-less.

[Colt4540]

ENGLISH MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU SPEAK IT!?

[BlackHelicopters]

Both get in.

[Ace Gunner]

cut off one of their legs and see how the do

[DaFace]

I don't think they're first ballot HOFers, but they'll get in none-the-less.

Yep. It's a QB's game these days. If you win multiple SB's at the helm (and assuming you play an active role rather than being someone like Rex Grossman who mostly just benefitted from being on a great team), you're in.

[Ace Gunner]

I'm a long time NYG fan, watched Eli go from suck to troll. they both are pretty amazing athletes. I'll wait until they've ended their careers.

[R8RFAN]

Both

[BlackHelicopters]

Win multiple SB's, you are in. Actually rather simple.

[gblowfish]

Otis Taylor before either of these yahoos.

[AussieChiefsFan]

Otis Taylor before either of these yahoos.This

[hometeam]

I picked neither and both.

Why?

Because of poll fail.

[dlphg9]

If Eli were qb for the chiefs I guarantee we would be in the playoffs

[Psyko Tek]

think both will make it
ERli may deserve it , but have to see how they finish
the only times I see eli seem to be in the playoffs
and he is always clutch

[Eleazar]

Does Ben Roethlsberger strike anyone as belonging there with his bust next to Unitas and Montana and Marino, etc?

No. He has been an above average quarterback who was drafted into one of the best run organizations there is. He's won two Super Bowls, one of which he was terrible in and he did not play particularly well in the other one - he was massively outplayed by Kurt Warner.

If you look at the Giants and the Steelers over their careers, Manning the biggest part of who the Giants are. The Steelers are the biggest part of who Roethlisberger is.

[R8RFAN]

Win multiple SB's, you are in. Actually rather simple.

Not if you are Jim Plunkett

Super Bowl XV MVP
1970 Heisman Trophy
1970 Pop Warner Trophy
1971 UPI AFL-AFC Rookie of the Year
1980 NFL Comeback Player of the Year
2× Super Bowl champion (XV, XVIII)

[okcchief]

I've always wondered how Steve Young made the Hall of Fame, and Jim Plunkett hasn't. They were successful for a short period of time, but Plunkett won an extra SB. Not that I dont think Young wasnt deserving, but Plunkett was solid as hell. If Kurt Warner gets in it looks even worse.

[R8RFAN]

I've always wondered how Steve Young made the Hall of Fame, and Jim Plunkett hasn't. They were successful for a short period of time, but Plunkett won an extra SB. Not that I dont think Young wasnt deserving, but Plunkett was solid as hell. If Kurt Warner gets in it looks even worse.


TD-INT 164-198

QB Rating 67.5

These stats hurt Plunkett

[Mojo Jojo]

Both. Bigger question will bandwagonjumper learn to proofread, spell and use proper grammar.

[BlackHelicopters]

Not if you are Jim Plunkett

Super Bowl XV MVP
1970 Heisman Trophy
1970 Pop Warner Trophy
1971 UPI AFL-AFC Rookie of the Year
1980 NFL Comeback Player of the Year
2× Super Bowl champion (XV, XVIII)

Exception noted.

[Mile High Mania]

TD-INT 164-198

QB Rating 67.5

These stats hurt Plunkett

Worse #s didn't hurt Namath.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Aikman and Kelly made it in... I think those are decent comparisons

[R8RFAN]

Worse #s didn't hurt Namath.

Both of Plunketts parents were legally blind as well , I personally can't think of a better snub for the HOF... Not saying he should have been first ballot but damn

[R8RFAN]

What about Tom Flores

Super Bowl wins 1976 Super Bowl XI
(as assistant coach)
1980 Super Bowl XV
(as head coach)
1983 Super Bowl XVIII
(as head coach)
Championships won 1969 AFL Championship
World Champion (1969)
(as player)
1980 AFC Championship
(as head coach)
1983 AFC Championship
(as head coach)

[bandwagonjumper]

Both. Bigger question will bandwagonjumper learn to proofread, spell and use proper grammar.

If I haven't learned it by now I'll never will.:huh:

[007]

neither both

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Both.

[keg in kc]

Yes to both.

[Rain Man]

Manning will make it because he's a Manning and they always get their way. He was able to force his way onto a playoff team against the best interests of the league, so he'll always have an easier ride than real football players who man up and go where they're drafted.

Roethlisberger won't, in my opinion. The off-field stuff will hurt him and he's borderline to start with, assuming that he doesn't bring home a couple more trophies.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Manning will make it because he's a Manning and they always get their way. He was able to force his way onto a playoff team against the best interests of the league, so he'll always have an easier ride than real football players who man up and go where they're drafted.

Roethlisberger won't, in my opinion. The off-field stuff will hurt him and he's borderline to start with, assuming that he doesn't bring home a couple more trophies.

There is no way in hell Big Ben doesn't make it. IMO

[Rain Man]

There is no way in hell Big Ben doesn't make it. IMO

I recognize that the standards are pretty low for quarterbacks, but Ben hasn't been close to being the top QB during his career. He's well behind PManning, Brady, and Rodgers, and is duking it out with a bunch of other QBs for the top of the second tier.

Now, you may be right that he'll make it, but it's only because the HoF favors QBs to a ridiculous degree.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I recognize that the standards are pretty low for quarterbacks, but Ben hasn't been close to being the top QB during his career. He's well behind PManning, Brady, and Rodgers, and is duking it out with a bunch of other QBs for the top of the second tier.

Now, you may be right that he'll make it, but it's only because the HoF favors QBs to a ridiculous degree.

True, but being a Steeler and possessing the rings is more than half the battle.

[GordonGekko]

Hall of Fame ... just doesn't really mean much, at least to me. Number of championships won is really what matters. Each have 2 which is very respectable..

[MahiMike]

Hells Yeah!

[Cannibal]

Didn't Len Dawson have pedestrian stats? He missed almost half the season the year they won the SB.