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God of Thunder
09-12-2013, 09:49 PM
Wow. He looks pathetic out there. You guys were crying like babies when KC didn't draft him.

007
09-12-2013, 09:52 PM
LMAO

DaFace
09-12-2013, 09:52 PM
Just stop. He's a rookie who was known to be raw in his 2nd game in the rain.

[/fan of going the Alex Smith route]

petegz28
09-12-2013, 09:52 PM
Not me...we got the QB I wanted and didn't even have to use a draft pick
In 3 years Bray will be having 31 teams questioning why they didn't grab him

Mr. Flopnuts
09-12-2013, 09:53 PM
Imagine that. The 2nd game of a rookie campaign, on a short week, in a rain storm and he looks like a rookie. What a bunch of dumbasses. Who would've ever thought this guy would be any good? :facepalm:

AussieChiefsFan
09-12-2013, 09:53 PM
Well the tables turned pretty quickly there. LMAO

TribalElder
09-12-2013, 09:54 PM
Yeah, almost beat the pats while throwing 3 picks

Major suck right?

God of Thunder
09-12-2013, 09:54 PM
I would have bet anything that any of the note-worthy rookie QBs drafted last year in that same situation would have performed like a NFL QB.

opposition
09-12-2013, 09:55 PM
It's the fact that you guys wanted to trash your season... Who cares about wins when there is a complete unknown to waste a #1 pick on. Obviously the guy is not ready, and throwing him in the fire just may hurt his career.

kcxiv
09-12-2013, 09:55 PM
He's a rookie he did make some really good throw that our captain check down can't. He has room to get better and I think he will. Smith is maxed out he will never get better.

petegz28
09-12-2013, 09:55 PM
Yeah, almost beat the pats while throwing 3 picks

Major suck right?

Uh, hold on there a sec, Moses. It's not like he put up 3 TD's and 3 picks.

007
09-12-2013, 09:56 PM
I would have bet anything that any of the note-worthy rookie QBs drafted last year in that same situation would have performed like a NFL QB.

:spock:

Pasta Little Brioni
09-12-2013, 09:56 PM
Horrible thread

opposition
09-12-2013, 09:56 PM
He's a rookie he did make some really good throw that our captain check down can't. He has room to get better and I think he will. Smith is maxed out he will never get better.

base on? Look at the stats, better every year right? Every single category.

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc85/mjsmizs/ad_zpsfc55f890.png

petegz28
09-12-2013, 09:56 PM
I would have bet anything that any of the note-worthy rookie QBs drafted last year in that same situation would have performed like a NFL QB.

Andrew Luck would have looked better than Geno

Buehler445
09-12-2013, 09:56 PM
Just stop. He's a rookie who was known to be raw in his 2nd game in the rain.

[/fan of going the Alex Smith route]

Pretty much this. Less the fan of Alex Smith route.

-King-
09-12-2013, 09:56 PM
He's a rookie he did make some really good throw that our captain check down can't. He has room to get better and I think he will. Smith is maxed out he will never get better.

He had 2 good throws.

In58men
09-12-2013, 09:56 PM
Put talent around him and a solid defense

-King-
09-12-2013, 09:57 PM
base on? Look at the stats, better every year right? Every single category.

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc85/mjsmizs/ad_zpsfc55f890.png

Oh god. Another one? :facepalm:

Bugeater
09-12-2013, 09:58 PM
Yes, every single one of us wanted Geno.

petegz28
09-12-2013, 09:58 PM
15/25 completed. 214 yds. 6.1 avg. 0 TD. 3 INT. 27.6 Rating


That's all those deep balls Clay and others love to tell us about

Ace Gunner
09-12-2013, 09:58 PM
actually, he looked just how I expected. when he had guys wide open, he threw shit passes, when he needed to fit the ball in, he made good passes.

lot of drops tonight. both teams are inexperienced at skills positions.

007
09-12-2013, 09:58 PM
Oh god. Another one? :facepalm:

Well, he has worked his way up to average. LMAO

opposition
09-12-2013, 09:59 PM
Oh god. Another one? :facepalm:

You guys are rooting for another Qb over the one you have on your team. That's great fansmanship. Facepalm for sure.

bricks
09-12-2013, 09:59 PM
Who really cares if he throws pretty balls. He couldn't execute when it mattered.

ShowtimeSBMVP
09-12-2013, 09:59 PM
Oh god. Another one? :facepalm:

They like Cockroaches will never go away.

God of Thunder
09-12-2013, 09:59 PM
15/25 completed. 214 yds. 6.1 avg. 0 TD. 3 INT. 27.6 Rating


That's all those deep balls Clay and others love to tell us about

Solidifying himself as a great.

kcxiv
09-12-2013, 10:00 PM
base on? Look at the stats, better every year right? Every single category.

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc85/mjsmizs/ad_zpsfc55f890.png

Based on he is who he is. He's not going to all of a sudden be able to throw lasers to guys down field he's not going to be able to throw down field and be accurate. He's not going to be able to carry a team on his back. He will never make a team elite. All he will do is manage games. Hell his coach has stated that. Hell his other coach couldn't wait to replace him when his team was what 7-1. Come on now open ur ****ing eyes. Slightly above average qbs is not what u want if u wanna win consistantly .

Offense had one freaking good drive last week.

TLO
09-12-2013, 10:00 PM
MOAR GENO THREADS

-King-
09-12-2013, 10:00 PM
You guys are rooting for another Qb over the one you have on your team. That's great fansmanship. Facepalm for sure.

I'm not even a Geno fan. I laughed when Geno threw picks. I'm just tired of you guys. Go back to the 49ers forum and circle jerk to Alex Smith memories.

Fat Elvis
09-12-2013, 10:00 PM
Yeah, almost beat the pats while throwing 3 picks

Major suck right?

Well, if you put it that way...yes. But that is ok; he throws it deep.

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2013, 10:00 PM
Put talent around him and a solid defense

The Jets don't have a solid defense?

:facepalm:

Thig Lyfe
09-12-2013, 10:01 PM
Geno > Brady

opposition
09-12-2013, 10:01 PM
I'm not even a Geno fan. I laughed when Geno threw picks. I'm just tired of you guys. Go back to the 49ers forum and circle jerk to Alex Smith memories.

Deal wit it. I'll stick around now.

Bump
09-12-2013, 10:01 PM
I only watched the first half. Though Geno looked pretty good at that point, just a lot of drops and shit...

RealSNR
09-12-2013, 10:02 PM
Building R2 D2 robots is gay

God of Thunder
09-12-2013, 10:02 PM
I only watched the first half. Though Geno looked pretty good at that point, just a lot of drops and shit...

Were you watching Madden 25'?

-King-
09-12-2013, 10:02 PM
Building R2 D2 robots is gay

ROFL ROFL ROFL

Pablo
09-12-2013, 10:02 PM
base on? Look at the stats, better every year right? Every single category.

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc85/mjsmizs/ad_zpsfc55f890.pngHoly shit you have the ugliest clusterfuck of an avatar ever made.

God of Thunder
09-12-2013, 10:03 PM
Building R2 D2 robots is gay

clearly.

Pablo
09-12-2013, 10:03 PM
Building R2 D2 robots is gayLMAO

Hammock Parties
09-12-2013, 10:04 PM
Clark Hunt was right about this fan base.

None of you have patience for a rookie.

You deserve exactly what you get.

opposition
09-12-2013, 10:04 PM
Holy shit you have the ugliest cluster**** of an avatar ever made.

I'm a Chiefs fan yet root for Geno Smith over my own QB.

God of Thunder
09-12-2013, 10:05 PM
And remember, while I am out with my 'robot' entertaining people, visiting sick children in hospitals, you all are here with your hand down your pants beating off to pictures of Geno.

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2013, 10:05 PM
Clark Hunt was right about this fan base.

None of you have patience for a rookie.

You deserve exactly what you get.

http://forums.theganggreen.com/

Titty Meat
09-12-2013, 10:05 PM
Now we know why alex smiths asking price was so high. No way Rex Ryan put his job on the line with mark sanchez and a rookie thinking that was actual improvement at the position.

ShowtimeSBMVP
09-12-2013, 10:05 PM
Clark Hunt was right about this fan base.

None of you have patience for a rookie.

You deserve exactly what you get.

The 2013 Chiefs are built to win now not wait for a QB.

WhawhaWhat
09-12-2013, 10:06 PM
Who would've ever thought this guy would be any good? :facepalm:

Probably you.

-King-
09-12-2013, 10:06 PM
The 2013 Chiefs are built to win now not wait for a QB.

And as of right now, judging by preseason, they have a QB just as good as Geno waiting.

AlexSmithDynasty
09-12-2013, 10:07 PM
Clark Hunt was right about this fan base.

None of you have patience for a rookie.

You deserve exactly what you get.

Stick up for your man against all these meanies criticizing his horrible performance.

Brock
09-12-2013, 10:07 PM
You're pretty bad at watching football if you didn't see any upside.

Fairplay
09-12-2013, 10:07 PM
a mafia was formed on this board to attack those who didn't like Geno.

True statement

kcxiv
09-12-2013, 10:07 PM
You guys are rooting for another Qb over the one you have on your team. That's great fansmanship. Facepalm for sure.

I want him to do good so that our higher ups realize u gotta take chances on young qbs not qb's that other teams don't want. That even sounds fucking terrible if u think about it.

I would love nothing more then for Alex smooth to come out and throw for close to 300 yards a game every game like the elite ones do. Does anyone honestly think that's gonna happen? Its not about not rooting for Alex at least not with me. I have watched football long enough to know how winning teams work. This isn't it. If it was the chiefs would have more then one payoff win in over 30 years. Think about how hard that is to do. U almost have to try to be bad for that to happen.

O.city
09-12-2013, 10:08 PM
Would have liked to have him sitting on the bench behind Alex learning, but oh well. Bray will work

opposition
09-12-2013, 10:08 PM
Night NY Jets fans.

Rasputin
09-12-2013, 10:08 PM
Clark Hunt was right about this fan base.

None of you have patience for a rookie.

You deserve exactly what you get.

.

Brock
09-12-2013, 10:09 PM
Night NY Jets fans.

Night fan of journeyman player.

mcaj22
09-12-2013, 10:10 PM
i can see why EJ Manuel was drafted first. 10x the NFL ready QB

opposition
09-12-2013, 10:10 PM
Night fan of journeyman player.

Hey if Alex fails doesn't bother me one bit. Actually kind of want it now, just like you Jets fans.

Hammock Parties
09-12-2013, 10:11 PM
The 2013 Chiefs are built to win now not wait for a QB.

So we can win 9 games a year for the next 4 years instead of investing in our future.

BEER BBQ AND BUCKTOOTHED BITCHES FROM B LOT

Titty Meat
09-12-2013, 10:11 PM
Clark Hunt was right about this fan base.

None of you have patience for a rookie.

You deserve exactly what you get.

Yeah we dserve a 2nd round bust as the franchise qb. Outstanding logic. Stick to stealing other peoples work you're much better at that.

GoChargers
09-12-2013, 10:11 PM
I'm a Chiefs fan yet root for Geno Smith over my own QB.

Says the Niners fan who signed up to the Chiefs board to white-knight for a QB that no longer plays for the Niners.

tk13
09-12-2013, 10:11 PM
Now we know why alex smiths asking price was so high. No way Rex Ryan put his job on the line with mark sanchez and a rookie thinking that was actual improvement at the position.

I don't think it was a coincidence they traded for Alex the Sunday after the combine was over. It's obvious Reid and Dorsey didn't like him. And it's not like Reid has shown a fear of drafting QBs.

That said... you can't throw in the towel on the guy after 2 games. Although his performance tonight was not very good. My biggest concern is I don't think he played as well once the Heisman spotlight turned on him... can he handle the heat.

AlexSmithDynasty
09-12-2013, 10:11 PM
Night fan of journeyman player.

2 teams in 8 years is a journeyman?

Rasputin
09-12-2013, 10:12 PM
The 2013 Chiefs are built to win now not wait for a QB.



Win now? Carl Peterson loves you misses you.


We have been in a win now mode for 25 years with retread quarterbacks. Are we actually going to win a Super Bowl now?

Brock
09-12-2013, 10:12 PM
Hey if Alex fails doesn't bother me one bit. Actually kind of want it now, just like you Jets fans.

I guess there's really no reason for you to be here, then.

opposition
09-12-2013, 10:12 PM
Says the Niners fan who signed up to the Chiefs board to white-knight for a QB that no longer plays for the Niners.

See the Utes in my avatar?

-King-
09-12-2013, 10:12 PM
I want him to do good so that our higher ups realize u gotta take chances on young qbs not qb's that other teams don't want.


So....Tyler Bray?

Brock
09-12-2013, 10:12 PM
2 teams in 8 years is a journeyman?

It'll be 3 teams in a couple of years.

RealSNR
09-12-2013, 10:13 PM
Alex Smith as a rookie:

1 TD 11 INT

By all means judge Geno when we have a sizeable amount of fair data to work with.

Now is not that time, and the fact that people are already jumping down his throat says a clear message to me that the majority of Kansas City fans will truly never have the patience for a rookie QB. They all like to say, "I really think drafting and developing a QB is the best way to produce a winning football team year after year" but then attach the caveat: "Only if it's the right QB."

opposition
09-12-2013, 10:13 PM
I guess there's really no reason for you to be here, then.

Would rather be here than watch another god awful 3 int's when the game is on the line.

Curious why do you guys stick up for a Jet so much but not your own QB?

GoChargers
09-12-2013, 10:14 PM
See the Utes in my avatar?

Yeah, so that's two teams of yours that he no longer plays for and you're still white-knighting for him.

RealSNR
09-12-2013, 10:14 PM
And remember, while I am out with my 'robot' entertaining people, visiting sick children in hospitals, you all are here with your hand down your pants beating off to pictures of Geno.

I'm just slinging shit at you. Take it easy.

kcxiv
09-12-2013, 10:14 PM
3 worst NFL franchises post season wise is KC, Cleveland, and Detroit. What do all 3 teams have in common? Shitty qb's through out that time. 2+2. Its not hard

tooge
09-12-2013, 10:15 PM
Mayocks knock on him prefer aft was that he simply missed too many easy throws to open targets. Saw a lot of that tonight. I see him as a Sam Bradford, not an Andrew Luck. He'll be fine but maybe not spectacular.

kcxiv
09-12-2013, 10:15 PM
So....Tyler Bray?

Hell why not we aren't winning shit with smith. Well unless u consider 7-9 to 9-7 a good thing.

Cannibal
09-12-2013, 10:16 PM
Bray might actually throw a better ball.

I wish we could him elevated to our back-up by seasons end.

RealSNR
09-12-2013, 10:17 PM
Mayocks knock on him prefer aft was that he simply missed too many easy throws to open targets. Saw a lot of that tonight. I see him as a Sam Bradford, not an Andrew Luck. He'll be fine but maybe not spectacular.

St. Louis should have traded for Donovan McNabb.

Bradford was just too risky

kcxiv
09-12-2013, 10:17 PM
Yeah we dserve a 2nd round bust as the franchise qb. Outstanding logic. Stick to stealing other peoples work you're much better at that.

Classic 8-8 post right here. Awesome.

eDave
09-12-2013, 10:17 PM
I'm a Chiefs fan yet root for Geno Smith over my own QB.

Pablo is conceding the fight when he stoops to dissing you over an avatar. Too funny. The childishness here is something else.

opposition
09-12-2013, 10:17 PM
Yeah, so that's two teams of yours that he no longer plays for and you're still white-knighting for him.

Yup

God of Thunder
09-12-2013, 10:17 PM
Hell why not we aren't winning shit with smith. Well unless u consider 7-9 to 9-7 a good thing.

We aren't??? Last time I looked we are 1-0. Once the season is over, then you may have merit.

Ace Gunner
09-12-2013, 10:17 PM
I'm just slinging shit at you. Take it easy.

nailed you.

Brock
09-12-2013, 10:19 PM
Yup

Seems pretty lame to bother doing that with a guy who will be above average at best. His ceiling is Schaub.

Mav
09-12-2013, 10:19 PM
actually, he looked just how I expected. when he had guys wide open, he threw shit passes, when he needed to fit the ball in, he made good passes.

lot of drops tonight. both teams are inexperienced at skills positions.
Disagree completely. The Jets have Santonio Holmes, Kellen Winslow Jr. and Stephen Hill. A rookie is still a rookie, on a short week in crap weather.


Happens. Moving on. Now he has 10 days to watch tape, and get better. He HAST TO get better pocket awareness. He looks like ALEX SMITH back there.
Clark Hunt was right about this fan base.

None of you have patience for a rookie.

You deserve exactly what you get.
Tyler Bray? Hell, it would of been awesome for Geno to get drafted to a team that he could of sat behind. Like the Chiefs. Bray will be really good because of his slow learn.
The 2013 Chiefs are built to win now not wait for a QB.
Actually, they are doing both.
So we can win 9 games a year for the next 4 years instead of investing in our future.

BEER BBQ AND BUCKTOOTHED BITCHES FROM B LOT

Tyler Bray. you know, the guy you were all excited about in the preseason?

He is still here.

eDave
09-12-2013, 10:19 PM
The 2013 Chiefs are built to win now not wait for a QB.


I don't think Pam knows that much about anything. Just a brat who didn't get what he wanted. Needs a pacifier.

kcxiv
09-12-2013, 10:20 PM
We aren't??? Last time I looked we are 1-0. Once the season is over, then you may have merit.

Nope, ull see. Its the same shit just a different year. I've seen this play before. Some words may be changed but its always going to end the same. Just watch.

RealSNR
09-12-2013, 10:20 PM
nailed you.

What?

Mav
09-12-2013, 10:20 PM
Hell why not we aren't winning shit with smith. Well unless u consider 7-9 to 9-7 a good thing.

Are you factoring in just how PATHETIC the AFC is this year?

AlexSmithDynasty
09-12-2013, 10:21 PM
Alex Smith as a rookie:

1 TD 11 INT

By all means judge Geno when we have a sizeable amount of fair data to work with.

Now is not that time, and the fact that people are already jumping down his throat says a clear message to me that the majority of Kansas City fans will truly never have the patience for a rookie QB. They all like to say, "I really think drafting and developing a QB is the best way to produce a winning football team year after year" but then attach the caveat: "Only if it's the right QB."

People are jumping down his throat because they're annoyed at the handful of posters that had his choco penii in their mouth for months. It's more about laughing at a select few idiots than it is about hating Geno.

Brock
09-12-2013, 10:22 PM
Why can't you all just be happy with trading for other people's castoffs? Over and over again.

opposition
09-12-2013, 10:23 PM
Seems pretty lame to bother doing that with a guy who will be above average at best. His ceiling is Schaub.

Can't argue with that. Actually I think Geno's ceiling is the same as Alex's. Good but not great. Why waste a first round pick on the same ceiling, when one still has a lot of work to do?

kcxiv
09-12-2013, 10:23 PM
Are you factoring in just how PATHETIC the AFC is this year?

Yes... If not I would have stuck to my 6-10 at best. That's what I initially had but teams aren't as strong in the AFC this year.

opposition
09-12-2013, 10:23 PM
Why can't you all just be happy with trading for other people's castoffs? Over and over again.

You act as if the fans are the one who made the move, not a GM, owner and coaching staff.

kcxiv
09-12-2013, 10:24 PM
Can't argue with that. Actually I think Geno's ceiling is the same as Alex's. Good but not great. Why waste a first round pick on the same ceiling, when one still has a lot of work to do?

We practically did we gave up 2-2.

Brock
09-12-2013, 10:24 PM
Can't argue with that. Actually I think Geno's ceiling is the same as Alex's. Good but not great. Why waste a first round pick on the same ceiling, when one still has a lot of work to do?

Did we have to spend a first rounder to do that?

ShowtimeSBMVP
09-12-2013, 10:24 PM
If Alex Smith was the QB of the Jets tonight they win that game.

RealSNR
09-12-2013, 10:24 PM
Would rather be here than watch another god awful 3 int's when the game is on the line.

Curious why do you guys stick up for a Jet so much but not your own QB?

Because Alex Smith has never demonstrated that he's good enough to win consistently if everything doesn't go his way. And that includes outstanding support from a top 10 defense.

Alex is going to have to fucking prove it before he gets any kind of longterm support like Trent Green got. Otherwise we're just shitfarting around until he gets too old.

Or gets another concussion and is forced to retire.

Mav
09-12-2013, 10:24 PM
Yes... If not I would have stuck to my 6-10 at best. That's what I initially had but teams aren't as strong in the AFC this year.

The Chiefs defense is so strong that they are going to be in a lot of games. This could very easily be a 10 win team.

The AFC is just dog poop.

Brock
09-12-2013, 10:25 PM
You act as if the fans are the one who made the move, not a GM, owner and coaching staff.

No dumbshit, I'm acting like some of the fans here haven't seen this movie 5 times in the past 20 years.

eDave
09-12-2013, 10:25 PM
Whether we picked him up or not, it's really too bad, for him, the Jets did.

opposition
09-12-2013, 10:26 PM
Did we have to spend a first rounder to do that?

At the time nobody knew. But who would play for you? Geno and his 3 bonehead picks? You have a stout defense, a good oline, a great RB, and good special teams. Why throw that down the drain for one position? Why not get a decent to good vet to win you games and possibly make a playoff push?

kcxiv
09-12-2013, 10:27 PM
The Chiefs defense is so strong that they are going to be in a lot of games. This could very easily be a 10 win team.

The AFC is just dog poop.

Its possible if the defense holds up. If they can somehow be like the niners d of last year maybe. I have a feeling Jamaal Charles is not gonna last the season because of captain check down

Brock
09-12-2013, 10:28 PM
At the time nobody knew. But who would play for you? Geno and his 3 bonehead picks? You have a stout defense, a good oline, a great RB, and good special teams. Why throw that down the drain for one position? Why not get a decent to good vet to win you games and possibly make a playoff push?

We've done this before, in case you hadn't noticed.

eDave
09-12-2013, 10:28 PM
No dumbshit, I'm acting like some of the fans here haven't seen this movie 5 times in the past 20 years.

Well then Brock, you should submit your resume for GM. Or buy yourself a team.

Perhaps then you will understand how things work sometimes.

RealSNR
09-12-2013, 10:28 PM
People are jumping down his throat because they're annoyed at the handful of posters that had his choco penii in their mouth for months. It's more about laughing at a select few idiots than it is about hating Geno.
You've seen for yourself in this thread the attitude that Chiefs fans take towards rookie QBs.

Geno mania was half about getting a young QB in here with some pretty decent potential and half about changing the mindset of this franchise for fucking good.

The instant the trade rumors were announced at the NFL combine, that effort died horribly, which is pretty sad. Just once I'd like to place some of my hope in the future of this franchise. Just once.

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2013, 10:28 PM
Geno may become a very solid NFL QB. But it's clear that he wasn't worthy of 1.1 and he's not ready to be an NFL starter.

It's too bad he didn't go to a different team so that he could sit on the bench for a few years but that's just not reality.

Mav
09-12-2013, 10:29 PM
Its possible if the defense holds up. If they can somehow be like the niners d of last year maybe. I have a feeling Jamaal Charles is not gonna last the season because of captain check down

that's possible. Would be really helpful if Gray, and Knile took some of the burden off of Andy Reid.

kcxiv
09-12-2013, 10:29 PM
No dumbshit, I'm acting like some of the fans here haven't seen this movie 5 times in the past 20 years.

Its amazing that people are still OK with the same plan. Itns like the Hunts in the offseaon ask the coach and gm and say OK guys let's try to win the Superbowl the hardest way possible.

RealSNR
09-12-2013, 10:29 PM
Well then Brock, you should submit your resume for GM. Or buy yourself a team.



Take that tired logical fallacy and fuck yourself to death with it

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2013, 10:29 PM
We've done this before, in case you hadn't noticed.

Yeah, and Cleveland has spent three first round picks on QB's since 1999 and what, exactly, has that done for them?

There is no "One Way" to win in the NFL.

Brock
09-12-2013, 10:29 PM
Well then Brock, you should submit your resume for GM. Or buy yourself a team.

Perhaps then you will understand how things work sometimes.

Yeah, you really told me, didn't you.

opposition
09-12-2013, 10:30 PM
Because Alex Smith has never demonstrated that he's good enough to win consistently if everything doesn't go his way. And that includes outstanding support from a top 10 defense.

Alex is going to have to ****ing prove it before he gets any kind of longterm support like Trent Green got. Otherwise we're just shitfarting around until he gets too old.

Or gets another concussion and is forced to retire.

Yes he is... Guy still has tons to prove. But that's why games are played. I remember hearing this same stuff before he led the team to the NFCC 3 seasons ago. This is nothing new.

kcxiv
09-12-2013, 10:32 PM
Yeah, and Cleveland has spent three first round picks on QB's since 1999 and what, exactly, has that done for them?

There is no "One Way" to win in the NFL.

It gives u the best chance to be a good team year in and hear out there. There are exceptions to every rule of course. The common denominator in 90 percent of it all is elite qb's

O.city
09-12-2013, 10:34 PM
Because Alex Smith has never demonstrated that he's good enough to win consistently if everything doesn't go his way. And that includes outstanding support from a top 10 defense.

Alex is going to have to ****ing prove it before he gets any kind of longterm support like Trent Green got. Otherwise we're just shitfarting around until he gets too old.

Or gets another concussion and is forced to retire.

Again, so were back to elite or bust, cause they're the only guys who can win consistently when things don't go their way.

So what's wrong with the bray route? He's got the elitest potential

ShowtimeSBMVP
09-12-2013, 10:35 PM
It gives u the best chance to be a good team year in and hear out there. There are exceptions to every rule of course. The common denominator in 90 percent of it all is elite qb's

Elite QB don't grow on trees. No QB was worth taking with 1.1 so who would you drafted?

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2013, 10:36 PM
It gives u the best chance to be a good team year in and hear out there.

What has spending three first round picks on QB's since 1999 done for Cleveland?


The common denominator in 90 percent of it all is elite qb's

Your number is wrong.

Brock
09-12-2013, 10:38 PM
What has spending three first round picks on QB's since 1999 done for Cleveland?




Your number is wrong.

Making bad picks =/= don't ever draft qbs.

TEX
09-12-2013, 10:38 PM
All of you IDIOTS who wanted Geno Smith at 1.1 are special...

bricks
09-12-2013, 10:38 PM
Mayocks knock on him prefer aft was that he simply missed too many easy throws to open targets. Saw a lot of that tonight. I see him as a Sam Bradford, not an Andrew Luck. He'll be fine but maybe not spectacular.

He mentioned a good point.

He made too many throws behind his receivers. His accuracy was a bit off tonight.

*He has a ways to go

Mav
09-12-2013, 10:39 PM
What has spending three first round picks on QB's since 1999 done for Cleveland?




Your number is wrong.

Sighs. Thanks Dane. FML. Brandon Weeden.........

Brock
09-12-2013, 10:39 PM
All of you IDIOTS who wanted Geno Smith at 1.1 are special...

Because picking a right tackle at 1.1 is a genius move...

Hammock Parties
09-12-2013, 10:40 PM
All of you IDIOTS who wanted Geno Smith at 1.1 are special...

Could have easily traded down.

ChiefsCountry
09-12-2013, 10:40 PM
Again, so were back to elite or bust, cause they're the only guys who can win consistently when things don't go their way.

So what's wrong with the bray route? He's got the elitest potential

Bray is a fucking douche and a lottery ticket. That is the same as Ted White shit under Gunther.
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Titty Meat
09-12-2013, 10:41 PM
Classic 8-8 post right here. Awesome.

Dumbass parrot post awesome!

Mav
09-12-2013, 10:41 PM
Could have easily traded down.

With WHO? You cant say Miami. If that was the case they were already talking about trading them Albert. So, no, to trade, you have to have someone to TRADE WITH.

ShowtimeSBMVP
09-12-2013, 10:41 PM
Could have easily traded down.

I don't think teams wanted the first pick.

O.city
09-12-2013, 10:42 PM
Bray is a ****ing douche and a lottery ticket. That is the same as Ted White shit under Gunther.
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Sure.


But again, here guys are either elite or they suck. Why not swing for elite?

And I'm not sure what being a douche has to do with winning football games.

Titty Meat
09-12-2013, 10:42 PM
3 worst NFL franchises post season wise is KC, Cleveland, and Detroit. What do all 3 teams have in common? Shitty qb's through out that time. 2+2. Its not hard

Detroit took a QB 1.1 you're a fucking dumbass who keeps repeating the same tired points.

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2013, 10:43 PM
Because picking a right tackle at 1.1 is a genius move...

It's mutually exclusive

Brock
09-12-2013, 10:43 PM
With WHO? You cant say Miami. If that was the case they were already talking about trading them Albert. So, no, to trade, you have to have someone to TRADE WITH.

Are you telling me NOBODY was interested in the first overall pick at today's bargain prices? That's bullshit.

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2013, 10:43 PM
Making bad picks =/= don't ever draft qbs.

So, you're not interested in debating this subject?

Okay.

:rolleyes:

ChiefsCountry
09-12-2013, 10:44 PM
And I'm not sure what being a douche has to do with winning football games.

Not being a douche at the most important position is pretty important.
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DaneMcCloud
09-12-2013, 10:44 PM
Could have easily traded down.

Pure speculation

Titty Meat
09-12-2013, 10:44 PM
Why can't you all just be happy with trading for other people's castoffs? Over and over again.

Who's happy with it? Some of us are realist and understand if a guy can't beat Syracuse he's likely not beating New England either.

O.city
09-12-2013, 10:45 PM
Not being a douche at the most important position is pretty important.
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It really hurts kaepernick. Or Rodgers. Or Big Ben.

Being stupid? Yeah problem.

A douche? Not so much

Nightfyre
09-12-2013, 10:45 PM
On the whole, he looked like a rookie with potential to me. He made some great passes and when he was off the mark, the Pats punished him for it. He didn't hesitate to drop the ball in tight windows. The sacks he took largely could have been avoided, but he will develop that over time. Additionally he was slow through his progressions, which again will come with time. I think the jets are looking brilliant with this year's draft. I mean, Millner was toasted a few times - but outside of that.

Nightfyre
09-12-2013, 10:46 PM
Also, Bray is a goddamned moron. If he grows up, he has high upside. But frankly, I doubt he will.

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2013, 10:46 PM
Are you telling me NOBODY was interested in the first overall pick at today's bargain prices? That's bullshit.

Why would have any team been interested in the #1 overall when there wasn't a clear #1 player and teams, for the most part, could just sit tight and the players they wanted?

Miami was dumb to trade into the #3 spot and the Raiders still got their guy. The Jets got a DB and a DT. The Eagles got a tackle, as did the Jags.

Which team was going to trade into the #1 spot and for whom?

ChiefsCountry
09-12-2013, 10:47 PM
Yeah, and Cleveland has spent three first round picks on QB's since 1999 and what, exactly, has that done for them?

There is no "One Way" to win in the NFL.

Outside of Couch, they haven't drafted one in the top ten either. Makes a difference.
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DaneMcCloud
09-12-2013, 10:47 PM
Also, Bray is a goddamned moron. If he grows up, he has high upside. But frankly, I doubt he will.

So, 21 year olds never mature?

Oh, you're right. Case in point.

Titty Meat
09-12-2013, 10:47 PM
Nobody wanted Alex Smith either guys Andy Reid and John Dorsey traded two 2s for fun.

Brock
09-12-2013, 10:47 PM
So, you're not interested in debating this subject?

Okay.

:rolleyes:

It's a pretty simple calculus, you want to use Cleveland's lousy picks at qb to discount the fact that super bowls are won by qbs with the team that drafted them. KC has tried trading for qbs over and over again and it never works out. It isn't debatable.

RealSNR
09-12-2013, 10:47 PM
Again, so were back to elite or bust, cause they're the only guys who can win consistently when things don't go their way.

So what's wrong with the bray route? He's got the elitest potential

We have no clue what an Alex Smith team would look like if his defense was just middle of the road. He morphed into this ideal game manager QB butterfly when Harbaugh took over, and that's what we've been told we need to compare him to, and not the Alex Smith that he was before that.

It would have been far more of an interesting experiment to see him get traded to a team like Buffalo or Cleveland. Those defenses aren't terrible, but they're nothing close to what Smith had in San Fran.

Or hell, let's go all the way and put him in Jacksonville. Talk about sink or swim.

I'd like to think he could keep a team going. That if Andy Reid and John Dorsey really do build a consistent winner with Alex Smith at the helm, they can keep winning even when decimated by injuries or if they have to let guys go because of salary cap issues. But we just don't know. From what I've seen in his San Fran career, I'm pretty sure the answer is no.

The wild card is if he improves and becomes a better QB. He absolutely could. Then it's a matter of how much better.

BigMeatballDave
09-12-2013, 10:48 PM
Because picking a right tackle at 1.1 is a genius move...

Yeah, spin it.

You fuckers know damn well Albert's future with the team was still in question.

The only thing I liked about the pick was that it wasn't Joeckel.

Mr. Flopnuts
09-12-2013, 10:48 PM
And remember, while I am out with my 'robot' entertaining people, visiting sick children in hospitals, you all are here with your hand down your pants beating off to pictures of Geno.

ROFL Well clearly that post didn't get you butthurt or anything.

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2013, 10:48 PM
Outside of Couch, they haven't drafted one in the top ten either. Makes a difference.
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Yes and no. Rodgers was a late rounder.

The fact remains that some years are good for first round QB's and some are bad.

This year wasn't good.

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2013, 10:49 PM
It's a pretty simple calculus, you want to use Cleveland's lousy picks at qb to discount the fact that super bowls are won by qbs with the team that drafted them. KC has tried trading for qbs over and over again and it never works out. It isn't debatable.

Trading for Alex Smith is mutually exclusive to trading for Matt Cassel.

Nightfyre
09-12-2013, 10:50 PM
So, 21 year olds never mature?

Oh, you're right. Case in point.

You are such a tool Dane. At no point did I say he would never mature in absolute terms. I simply said I doubted he would.

eDave
09-12-2013, 10:50 PM
Yeah, you really told me, didn't you.

Na. Just trying to fit in fucking place.

O.city
09-12-2013, 10:51 PM
You are such a tool Dane. At no point did I say he would never mature in absolute terms. I simply said I doubted he would.

Based on?

Gravedigger
09-12-2013, 10:51 PM
Honestly, I'll defend Geno in this case. When have the Jets EVER been a good offensive team? Rex Ryan's whole mantra is run the ball, and play defense. Geno went to a terrible situation, and unfortunately his career will suffer for it. I bet you anything you put him on almost any other team, he is better. Marty Morningwheg as my OC.... yeah, that's awesome....lol

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2013, 10:52 PM
You are such a tool Dane. At no point did I say he would never mature in absolute terms. I simply said I doubted he would.

That's cool. Keep pretending to know more than anyone else so that we'll all be reassured that you're an immature, moronic twat.

ChiefsCountry
09-12-2013, 10:53 PM
Yes and no. Rodgers was a late rounder.

The fact remains that some years are good for first round QB's and some are bad.

This year wasn't good.

I'm talking about Cleveland. They are just dumb fuckers to begin with. Both times they took Qbs they traded back up to do it. Going the safe route with Joe Thomas and Trent Richardson, two of the best draft prospects ever and true fan wet dreams, haven't won them shit.
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DaneMcCloud
09-12-2013, 10:53 PM
Honestly, I'll defend Geno in this case. When have the Jets EVER been a good offensive team? Rex Ryan's whole mantra is run the ball, and play defense. Geno went to a terrible situation, and unfortunately his career will suffer for it. I bet you anything you put him on almost any other team, he is better. Marty Morningwheg as my OC.... yeah, that's awesome....lol

Did you WATCH the game?

If you did, JFC...

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2013, 10:54 PM
I'm talking about Cleveland. They are just dumb fuckers to begin with. Both times they took Qbs they traded back up to do it. Going the safe route with Joe Thomas and Trent Richardson, two of the best draft prospects ever and true fan wet dreams, haven't won them shit.
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You're talking two different owners and three different GM's.

RealSNR
09-12-2013, 10:54 PM
Trading for Alex Smith is mutually exclusive to trading for Matt Cassel.

And drafting Brandon Weeden with a first round pick is mutually exclusive to reaching on a QB.

Brock
09-12-2013, 10:54 PM
Trading for Alex Smith is mutually exclusive to trading for Matt Cassel.

It isn't mutually exclusive because it's just the latest in a long line of this exact move. The only time it almost paid off was when zubaz pants were still in fashion.

O.city
09-12-2013, 10:54 PM
I'm talking about Cleveland. They are just dumb ****ers to begin with. Both times they took Qbs they traded back up to do it. Going the safe route with Joe Thomas and Trent Richardson, two of the best draft prospects ever and true fan wet dreams, haven't won them shit.
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And that's the fault of Thomas, the best lt in football, and Richardson?

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2013, 10:54 PM
Based on?

Based on the fact that he's a know-nothing twat

Brock
09-12-2013, 10:55 PM
Yeah, spin it.

You fuckers know damn well Albert's future with the team was still in question.

The only thing I liked about the pick was that it wasn't Joeckel.

If that makes you feel better about it.

opposition
09-12-2013, 10:56 PM
Pretty bad when you can't even beat a QB with a rating of 24, rookie or not. Not to mention a dismal Patriot defense.


Tom Brady 24.2 Total QBR vs Jets Geno
Smith: 15.0 Total QBR vs Patriots

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2013, 10:56 PM
It isn't mutually exclusive because it's just the latest in a long line of this exact move.

Yes, it absolutely is mutually exclusive.

The only time it almost paid off was when zubaz pants were still in fashion.

Had Dick Vermeil been able to put together anything other than the 31st rated defense, the end result would have been different then, too.

ChiefsCountry
09-12-2013, 10:56 PM
And that's the fault of Thomas, the best lt in football, and Richardson?

Quarterback >>>>>>>>>>>> All world left tackle
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ChiefsCountry
09-12-2013, 10:57 PM
Had Dick Vermeil been able to put together anything other than the 31st rated defense, the end result would have been different then, too.

So we just lose to Brady instead of Manning then.
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O.city
09-12-2013, 10:57 PM
Trading for cassel was a failure, but we know where and why that was a failure from the get go.


Trading for green wasn't a failure, the fail was not putting a better defense out there and having a guy ready to go when he petered out

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2013, 10:58 PM
Quarterback >>>>>>>>>>>> All world left tackle
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There is absolutely no doubt that Cleveland chose the wrong first round QB in the 2012 draft. I would like to have heard Holmgren's reasoning for passing on RGIII (and Wilson, for that matter).

ChiefsCountry
09-12-2013, 10:58 PM
Trading for cassel was a failure, but we know where and why that was a failure from the get go.


Trading for green wasn't a failure, the fail was not putting a better defense out there and having a guy ready to go when he petered out

Considering the other option was Drew Brees. Major fail.
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O.city
09-12-2013, 11:00 PM
Considering the other option was Drew Breed. Major fail.
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Not really.

Depends which Bree's we would have gotten. San Diego, or NO.

The big fuck up was DJ, who's a great player, over Rodgers.

ChiefsCountry
09-12-2013, 11:00 PM
There is absolutely no doubt that Cleveland chose the wrong first round QB in the 2012 draft. I would like to have heard Holmgren's reasoning for passing on RGIII (and Wilson, for that matter).

Wilson is a midget. Pretty easy on that one.
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Brock
09-12-2013, 11:00 PM
Trading for cassel was a failure, but we know where and why that was a failure from the get go.


Trading for green wasn't a failure, the fail was not putting a better defense out there and having a guy ready to go when he petered out

You'd have to draft and develop a qb to have one ready to go. The bottom line is, this strategy doesn't work.

O.city
09-12-2013, 11:02 PM
Yes, every Super Bowl has been won by quarterbacks drafted by said team.

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2013, 11:02 PM
You'd have to draft and develop a qb to have one ready to go. The bottom line is, this strategy doesn't work.

Really? So no team has won a Super Bowl with a QB they didn't draft?

ChiefsCountry
09-12-2013, 11:02 PM
Not really.

Depends which Bree's we would have gotten. San Diego, or NO.

The big fuck up was DJ, who's a great player, over Rodgers.

Drew Brees sucking in San Diego is a myth.
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DaneMcCloud
09-12-2013, 11:03 PM
Drew Brees sucking in San Diego is a myth.
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As I've said a million times, I was a huge proponent of Brees. He would have been a perfect fit in Vermeil and Saunders offense and it's a damn shame that Vermeil was dead set on Green.

O.city
09-12-2013, 11:04 PM
I don't think Bree's is Bree's without Payton, but that's just my opinion so I'm not gonna state it as a fact. I would have loved to have picked brees

ChiefsCountry
09-12-2013, 11:05 PM
As I've said a million times, I was a huge proponent of Brees. He would have been a perfect fit in Vermeil and Saunders offense and it's a damn shame that Vermeil was dead set on Green.

This. With the line and running game, Brees would have developed nicely.
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Brock
09-12-2013, 11:07 PM
Yes, every Super Bowl has been won by quarterbacks drafted by said team.

No, just 70 percent. It isn't significant, statistically.

Brock
09-12-2013, 11:07 PM
Really? So no team has won a Super Bowl with a QB they didn't draft?

30 percent of the time.

ViperVisor
09-12-2013, 11:08 PM
Geno is getting time to throw that rarely is afforded to young QBs forced into action.

You are OK with INTs if he reads something and a throw goes out on time or even a little late and the defense anticipates the read and jumps the pass. Or the defense may of flat out fool a young QB with a complex coverage you don't see in college.

In his 1st 80 games Peyton Manning threw 100 INTs.

In his 2nd 80 games Peyton Manning threw 53 INTs.

All games 81-225 109 INTs

You need to play within the scheme and get a feel of what passes you can fit in the NFL tight windows and ones that can't no matter how good your timing and arm is, some passes just can't be thrown.

Holding on to the ball or bailing out of the pocket only delays the development process.

O.city
09-12-2013, 11:09 PM
No, just 70 percent. It isn't significant, statistically.

Then you just proved yourself wrong.

Brock
09-12-2013, 11:10 PM
Then you just proved yourself wrong.

Are you really bad at math or something?

opposition
09-12-2013, 11:10 PM
I'll leave after this but I don't see how you guys can root and stick up for one QB who played awful and plays for the Jets but not root for your own QB who played decent? Why is that? How can you sit and stick up for the one who played much much much worse, and hate on a guy that threw 2 td passes and has already nearly surpassed last years win total in a week?

ClevelandBronco
09-12-2013, 11:11 PM
Pretty bad when you can't even beat a QB with a rating of 24, rookie or not. Not to mention a dismal Patriot defense.


Tom Brady 24.2 Total QBR vs Jets Geno
Smith: 15.0 Total QBR vs Patriots

The Patriots could have had them some Tebow, but noooooo. They just had to stick with this stiff, Brady.

O.city
09-12-2013, 11:12 PM
Are you really bad at math or something?

You said this strategy never works, when 30% of qbs that have won SBs have been obtained this way.

So obviously, it does work, just not very often.

J

Brock
09-12-2013, 11:12 PM
I'll leave after this but I don't see how you guys can root and stick up for one QB who played awful and plays for the Jets but not root for your own QB who played decent? Why is that? How can you sit and stick up for the one who played much much much worse, and hate on a guy that threw 2 td passes and has already nearly surpassed last years win total in a week?

I don't hate Smith. I think he's pretty good. I disagree with the philosophy.

Brock
09-12-2013, 11:14 PM
You said this strategy never works, when 30% of qbs that have won SBs have been obtained this way.

So obviously, it does work, just not very often.

J

It never works for the chiefs, unless you go back nearly 50 years.

O.city
09-12-2013, 11:15 PM
It never works for the chiefs, unless you go back nearly 50 years.

Then yes, it has worked.

Grammar police!!,!

opposition
09-12-2013, 11:15 PM
I don't hate Smith. I think he's pretty good. I disagree with the philosophy.

Ok, well i'll leave you all alone. Probably be back on Sunday. Hopefully Alex comes out and performs well and gets you guys a W.

Brock
09-12-2013, 11:16 PM
Then yes, it has worked.

Grammar police!!,!

Yes, it once worked, when your grampa was still dating your grandma.

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2013, 11:18 PM
No, just 70 percent. It isn't significant, statistically.

That is just untrue

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2013, 11:19 PM
30 percent of the time.

What the fuck?

14% of all first round QB's drafted since 1967 have won a Super Bowl.

Hammock Parties
09-12-2013, 11:20 PM
14% of all first round QB's drafted since 1967 have won a Super Bowl.

Higher than every other round.

Mr. Flopnuts
09-12-2013, 11:21 PM
Then yes, it has worked.

Grammar police!!,!

:spock: Are you saying we're due?

-King-
09-12-2013, 11:21 PM
Hell why not we aren't winning shit with smith. Well unless u consider 7-9 to 9-7 a good thing.

We'll win more than that with Smith. And you do realize, that we can win..AND... develop a QB at the same time right? It's not an OR situation like you guys keep pretending it is.

Brock
09-12-2013, 11:23 PM
What the fuck?

14% of all first round QB's drafted since 1967 have won a Super Bowl.

Wut? 34 out of 47 super bowls were won by qbs with the team that drafted them. Maybe 35, I'll have to count them again.

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2013, 11:23 PM
Higher than every other round.

By 9%: 5% of all QB's drafted in the second round have a won a Super Bowl.

-King-
09-12-2013, 11:27 PM
Its amazing that people are still OK with the same plan. Itns like the Hunts in the offseaon ask the coach and gm and say OK guys let's try to win the Superbowl the hardest way possible.

Who said we're okay with not drafting a QB? I wanted to draft Geno, but to date, he's given me no reason to think Andy Reid and John Dorsey (not to mention 31 other teams ) were wrong in passing him up. I'm happy every time he fails because that means that Reid was right about him.

crossbow
09-12-2013, 11:32 PM
We didn't want to draft him. We wanted Frisco to draft him so we could trade for him 7 years from now. Why else would we give them such a high pick? We thought they would need it to take him but they screwed up our entire plan.
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Fairplay
09-12-2013, 11:33 PM
I don't think teams wanted the first pick.




It's like being in first place only reversed.

It's Opposite Day.

DenverChief
09-12-2013, 11:33 PM
It was the rain!!

beach tribe
09-12-2013, 11:37 PM
Who said we're okay with not drafting a QB? I wanted to draft Geno, but to date, he's given me no reason to think Andy Reid and John Dorsey (not to mention 31 other teams ) were wrong in passing him up. I'm happy every time he fails because that means that Reid was right about him.
If you dont wish we had Geno, YOU HATE QBs.

Fairplay
09-12-2013, 11:37 PM
It was the rain!!


Blame it on the Rain

-Millie Vanile

okcchief
09-12-2013, 11:37 PM
Geno has looked better than I expected so I wont hate. I still have no regrets not drafting him as I think Bray has more potential. Good luck to him.

DenverChief
09-12-2013, 11:40 PM
Blame it on the Rain

-Millie Vanile


LMAO - thanks gonna be stuck in my head the rest of the night :banghead:

kcxiv
09-12-2013, 11:49 PM
We'll win more than that with Smith. And you do realize, that we can win..AND... develop a QB at the same time right? It's not an OR situation like you guys keep pretending it is.

I don't know if they can. I'm almost 37 and in my lifetime they haven't done it. I watch hoping every year this guy they are grooming does it but it don't happen so, if u really want an answer from what I have seen from the chiefs in would have to say no, I don't think they can because its never been done here since I started breathing.

AlexSmithDynasty
09-12-2013, 11:51 PM
No, just 70 percent. It isn't significant, statistically.

Yeah but 100% of super bowls won by the Chiefs were won by a quarterback who they did not draft.

DenverChief
09-12-2013, 11:56 PM
I don't know if they can. I'm almost 37 and in my lifetime they haven't done it. I watch hoping every year this guy they are grooming does it but it don't happen so, if u really want an answer from what I have seen from the chiefs in would have to say no, I don't think they can because its never been done here since I started breathing.

I think Andy Reid can do it

DaneMcCloud
09-12-2013, 11:57 PM
Geno has looked better than I expected so I wont hate. I still have no regrets not drafting him as I think Bray has more potential. Good luck to him.

So you expected him to throw more than 4 INT's in his first two games?

RINGLEADER
09-13-2013, 12:03 AM
So you expected him to throw more than 4 INT's in his first two games?

I don't understand it either.

If he doesn't get pushed out of bounds what do you think the chances are he gets those 15-yards that made a field goal remotely possible with :07 on the clock?

He was flat out bad tonight.

DaneMcCloud
09-13-2013, 12:09 AM
I don't understand it either.

If he doesn't get pushed out of bounds what do you think the chances are he gets those 15-yards that made a field goal remotely possible with :07 on the clock?

He was flat out bad tonight.

Yeah, he was bad tonight and he wasn't exactly "good" against Tampa Bay's awful defense.

Fortunately for him, he doesn't face any "real" defenses for a few more weeks. The Steelers, Ravens, Dolphins, Panthers and Browns will be very interesting opponents for him.

Garcia Bronco
09-13-2013, 12:10 AM
I thoigh Geno played well in a rain game on the road. He's got a really good shot at being good.

Fairplay
09-13-2013, 12:13 AM
I thoigh Geno played well in a rain game on the road. He's got a really good shot at being good.


Being thrown into the deep end of the pool can make you learn how to swim quick. I look at it as a positive to be honest.

007
09-13-2013, 12:19 AM
Blame it on the Rain

-Millie Vanile

I really hate you right now. :banghead:

cdcox
09-13-2013, 12:19 AM
At the time nobody knew. But who would play for you? Geno and his 3 bonehead picks? You have a stout defense, a good oline, a great RB, and good special teams. Why throw that down the drain for one position? Why not get a decent to good vet to win you games and possibly make a playoff push?

Because multiple SB wins is the goal, and the pathways to achieving that with Alex Smith are very narrow.

There is a good chance that this season crashes on the shoulders of Alex Smith. In other words, when our season ends, the weak point won't be the OL, the running game, or the defense. It will be the passing game, because we can't/don't consistently stretch the field. We'll run an offense that allows the D to cheat up. We'll allow teams to stay in the game and steal a last second victory. Our last drive will fall short.

These are the ways our season will end.

007
09-13-2013, 12:22 AM
Geno didn't look good tonight but I think he will be a decent NFL QB. But thats just it. Decent. We've had decent.

I wanted Geno too but not with pick 1:1. We were obviously not trading down and he was obviously not going to fall all the way to the third round. The Chiefs pretty much did the only thing they could.

Not saying I like the Alex Smith situation but he is a Chief and I will support him until he completely shits the bed. I am thrilled that Bray fell to us in FA though.

DaneMcCloud
09-13-2013, 12:24 AM
Because multiple SB wins is the goal

LMAO

How about multiple, consecutive winning seasons to start?

I swear, some of you people are downright delusional.

DaneMcCloud
09-13-2013, 12:25 AM
Geno didn't look good tonight but I think he will be a decent NFL QB.

Geno has the same issues now as pre-draft: Inaccurate long ball, no pocket presence and bad decision making.

He reminds of Vinnie Testeverde, without the big arm.

RINGLEADER
09-13-2013, 12:28 AM
I thoigh Geno played well in a rain game on the road. He's got a really good shot at being good.

Making good throws half the time isn't "playing well." That's the definition of playing poorly.

Fact is, if the Pats didn't look like absolute crap on offense that game is a disaster.

So far the Jets have scored the same amount of points in two games that the Chiefs scored in one.

RINGLEADER
09-13-2013, 12:29 AM
Geno didn't look good tonight but I think he will be a decent NFL QB. But thats just it. Decent. We've had decent.

I wanted Geno too but not with pick 1:1. We were obviously not trading down and he was obviously not going to fall all the way to the third round. The Chiefs pretty much did the only thing they could.

Not saying I like the Alex Smith situation but he is a Chief and I will support him until he completely shits the bed. I am thrilled that Bray fell to us in FA though.

This sums up how I feel as well.

Fairplay
09-13-2013, 12:34 AM
I really hate you right now. :banghead:

I'm embarrassed that I remember that song.

Neg rep for me is my punishment

Hammock Parties
09-13-2013, 12:34 AM
I thoigh Geno played well in a rain game on the road. He's got a really good shot at being good.

I hate allying with the Donkeys.

Fairplay
09-13-2013, 12:37 AM
Geno didn't look good tonight but I think he will be a decent NFL QB. But thats just it. Decent.




Matt Cassel decent?

:spock:

cdcox
09-13-2013, 12:38 AM
LMAO

How about multiple, consecutive winning seasons to start?

I swear, some of you people are downright delusional.

If Clark and company aren't trying to build a dynasty, they aren't trying period. Are you and Carl Peterson still promoting "just make it to the tournament and anything can happen?" Yeah, you can be beat by a shit team or a team that is better than you. Been there, done that, closet full of tee-shirts.

The Packers, Dolphins, Steelers, 9'ers, Cowboys, and Patriots erupted into dominance. They didn't creep in.

Look at the talent that has died on the shoulders of a talentless Bono, a heartless Grbac, and a clueless Matt Cassel.

Yeah, lets do this dance one more time.

007
09-13-2013, 12:39 AM
Matt Cassel decent?

:spock:

Who said I was referring to Cassel? Do only the last 4 years count or something?

007
09-13-2013, 12:41 AM
If Clark and company aren't trying to build a dynasty, they aren't trying period. Are you and Carl Peterson still promoting "just make it to the tournament and anything can happen?" Yeah, you can be beat by a shit team or a team that is better than you. Been there, done that, closet full of tee-shirts.

The 60 Packers, Dolphins, Steelers, 9'ers, Cowboys, and Patriots erupted into dominance. They didn't creep in.

Look at the talent that has died on the shoulders of a talentless Bono, a heartless Grbac, and a clueless Matt Cassel.

Yeah, lets do this dance one more time.

Don't be obtuse. You know what what he meant with that post.

RealSNR
09-13-2013, 12:41 AM
LMAO

How about multiple, consecutive winning seasons to start?

I swear, some of you people are downright delusional.
That's what Carl Peterson said when Steve DeBerg was our QB.

cdcox
09-13-2013, 12:42 AM
Don't be obtuse. You know what what he meant with that post.

He called me delusional. I'm not interested in a repeat of the Marty era. AT ALL.

Nightfyre
09-13-2013, 12:42 AM
Based on?

Based on the fact that this occurred just a year ago:
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8200773/tennessee-volunteers-quarterback-tyler-bray-mentioned-vandalism-reports

RealSNR
09-13-2013, 12:45 AM
Don't be obtuse. You know what what he meant with that post.

Any time somebody brings up the term "Super Bowl" when talking about the Kansas City Chiefs as they are today, Dane snaps at them like Cesar Millan on a German shepherd. Because the Chiefs have sucked for so long, we're not allowed to use that term in our thinking and in our opinions.

We have to string together 9-7s and 10-6s for several years before we can do that.

007
09-13-2013, 12:47 AM
Any time somebody brings up the term "Super Bowl" when talking about the Kansas City Chiefs as they are today, Dane snaps at them like Cesar Millan on a German shepherd. Because the Chiefs have sucked for so long, we're not allowed to use that term in our thinking and in our opinions.

We have to string together 9-7s and 10-6s for several years before we can do that.

I just want to get back to the playoffs and build on it. IF we happen to win a superbowl on our first try they OUTSTANDING!!!

I just don't expect us to be THAT lucky.

Fairplay
09-13-2013, 12:47 AM
He called me delusional. I'm not interested in a repeat of the Marty era. AT ALL.


Marty's defense with Vermeil's offense = SB

007
09-13-2013, 12:48 AM
He called me delusional. I'm not interested in a repeat of the Marty era. AT ALL.

I don't think any of us are.

DaneMcCloud
09-13-2013, 12:48 AM
If Clark and company aren't trying to build a dynasty, they aren't trying period. Are you and Carl Peterson still promoting "just make it to the tournament and anything can happen?" Yeah, you can be beat by a shit team or a team that is better than you. Been there, done that, closet full of tee-shirts.

The 60 Packers, Dolphins, Steelers, 9'ers, Cowboys, and Patriots erupted into dominance. They didn't creep in.

Look at the talent that has died on the shoulders of a talentless Bono, a heartless Grbac, and a clueless Matt Cassel.

Yeah, lets do this dance one more time.

This isn't MLB, where wealthy teams can buy franchise players. 90% of the time, teams "luck" into franchise players due to their previously bad records.

Very few teams have had the BALLS to trade for a franchise QB or player. Denver, the NY Giants, Ravens, 49ers and the Packers are the only teams in the past 30 years to actually traded for a guy that became Super Bowl winning QB.

The rest fell into the laps of their teams.

DaneMcCloud
09-13-2013, 12:50 AM
Any time somebody brings up the term "Super Bowl" when talking about the Kansas City Chiefs as they are today, Dane snaps at them like Cesar Millan on a German shepherd. Because the Chiefs have sucked for so long, we're not allowed to use that term in our thinking and in our opinions.

We have to string together 9-7s and 10-6s for several years before we can do that.
Yeah, because everyone knows its easy to go from 2-14 to a Super Bowl with the snap of a finger.

If you believe that, you live in Fantasy Land.

RealSNR
09-13-2013, 01:00 AM
I just want to get back to the playoffs and build on it. IF we happen to win a superbowl on our first try they OUTSTANDING!!!

I just don't expect us to be THAT lucky.

Nobody here is talking about winning a Super Bowl in the 2013-14 season.

At least not the sane ones.

We're talking about contending every year for the Super Bowl. Showing up in the playoffs and wrecking shit while we're there. Making people think, "Now, the Kansas City Chiefs could very well be the team that wins it."

That process takes time and patience. And I think you'll find that of all the fans, the ones who possess the most patience for building that kind of winner are the ones who are pretty adamant about drafting a QB.

I'm still pretty hopeful, because either Alex Smith can be that QB or we can draft some QBs starting in 2014. Either option is fine with me.

But if Alex just sort of does the usual "Herp derp good defense can't beat in playoffs too tough aw shucks" thing that has hounded him his ENTIRE NFL career, I expect Andy to make a switch. If he doesn't, that's when the Pioli/Cassel comparisons will start flying, and this place is going to make 2008-2013's QB mania look mild

New World Order
09-13-2013, 01:01 AM
Yeah, because everyone knows its easy to go from 2-14 to a Super Bowl with the snap of a finger.

If you believe that, you live in Fantasy Land.


Do you really think this is a 2-14 team? We won the division in 10 and a field goal away from winning in 11.

We are not a 2-14 team, now Jax is a 2-14 team.

RealSNR
09-13-2013, 01:02 AM
Yeah, because everyone knows its easy to go from 2-14 to a Super Bowl with the snap of a finger.

If you believe that, you live in Fantasy Land.

When people talk about winning a Super Bowl in Kansas City, they're thinking years from now. I'm amazed that you don't fucking understand that. Not one goddamned soul has placed the expectation upon Alex Smith and Andy Reid of winning a Super Bowl in one season.

DaneMcCloud
09-13-2013, 01:03 AM
Do you really think this is a 2-14 team? We won the division in 10 and a field goal away from winning in 11.

We are not a 2-14 team, now Jax is a 2-14 team.

You're a moron.

This team went 4-12, 2-14, 4-12, and 2-14 over the past six seasons.

10-6 was the anomaly, not the poor seasons.

Discuss Thrower
09-13-2013, 01:05 AM
If Clark and company aren't trying to build a dynasty, they aren't trying period. Are you and Carl Peterson still promoting "just make it to the tournament and anything can happen?" Yeah, you can be beat by a shit team or a team that is better than you. Been there, done that, closet full of tee-shirts.

The Packers, Dolphins, Steelers, 9'ers, Cowboys, and Patriots erupted into dominance. They didn't creep in.

Look at the talent that has died on the shoulders of a talentless Bono, a heartless Grbac, and a clueless Matt Cassel.

Yeah, lets do this dance one more time.

So does Matt Blundin = Tyler Bray?

DaneMcCloud
09-13-2013, 01:07 AM
When people talk about winning a Super Bowl in Kansas City, they're thinking years from now. I'm amazed that you don't fucking understand that. Not one goddamned soul has placed the expectation upon Alex Smith and Andy Reid of winning a Super Bowl in one season.

And my point remains: This has been a piss poor team for the better part of the past six seasons.

Winning seasons and playoff wins will come before a Super Bowl.

New World Order
09-13-2013, 01:09 AM
You're a moron.

This team went 4-12, 2-14, 4-12, and 2-14 over the past six seasons.

10-6 was the anomaly, not the poor seasons.



This team with the talent they have are not a 2-14 bunch. Jax is a good example of a 2-14 squad. If you can't see that you are fukking blind.

New World Order
09-13-2013, 01:11 AM
And my point remains: This has been a piss poor team for the better part of the past six seasons.

Winning seasons and playoff wins will come before a Super Bowl.



Honestly, what are your requirements for a successful season this year?

RealSNR
09-13-2013, 01:11 AM
And my point remains: This has been a piss poor team for the better part of the past six seasons.

Winning seasons and playoff wins will come before a Super Bowl.

That is, unless a Kurt Warner falls from the sky. That would certainly expedite the process.

Since those kinds of things are so rare, maybe we should try creating one ourselves.

DaneMcCloud
09-13-2013, 01:12 AM
That is, unless a Kurt Warner falls from the sky. That would certainly expedite the process.

Since those kinds of things are so rare, maybe we should try creating one ourselves.

Well, that's just so fucking easy that I'm shocked everyone isn't doing it.

Every NFL team has won a Super Bowl, right?

Why doesn't Aaron Rodgers win every year?

DaneMcCloud
09-13-2013, 01:13 AM
Honestly, what are your requirements for a successful season this year?

Nothing less than 10-6 and a playoff berth, barring catastrophic injury.

cdcox
09-13-2013, 01:14 AM
When is the last time the Chiefs made a BALLS move of any kind?

BALLS is high risk, high reward. Trent Green might qualify in that is was moderately high risk at the time. It paid off on the Offensive side of the ball, but total incompetence on defense negated the move.

The other mark of a great trade (other than BALLSINESS) is getting the long end of the stick. I don't think we've scored high that regard, including the Alex Smith trade. Franchises aren't built on "that trade benefited both teams" they're built on "that team dominated the other team". We don't make the kind of trades that build dynasties, we make the kind of trades that turn disasters into workable (Jarred Allen, Matt Cassel, Alex Smith).

There is a lot of talent on this team at this exact moment, but it won't last long. Tamba is on the down side. Bowe, Flowers, Charles, DJ, and Albert are at their peaks and will be heading down soon. Houston, Berry, and Poe are on the up swing. We have some talented rookies and most of our other starters don't suck.

Strike now while the iron is hot

-or-

Chief's Nation burns.

In which direction does the Alex Smith trade tip the scales, in all honesty?

RealSNR
09-13-2013, 01:14 AM
Well, that's just so fucking easy that I'm shocked everyone isn't doing it.

Every NFL team has won a Super Bowl, right?

It's not all that easy, but the Chiefs might see more success at it if they would get off their fucking asses and fucking coach some goddamned QBs instead of making other teams do the dirty work for them.

RealSNR
09-13-2013, 01:17 AM
Why doesn't Aaron Rodgers win every year?

Because he jacks off too much?

I don't see how this is relevant to the Chiefs and QBs and winning a Super Bowl

007
09-13-2013, 01:18 AM
When is the last time the Chiefs made a BALLS move of any kind?

BALLS is high risk, high reward. Trent Green might qualify in that is was moderately high risk at the time. It paid off on the Offensive side of the ball, but total incompetence on defense negated the move.

The other mark of a great trade (other than BALLSINESS) is getting the long end of the stick. I don't think we've scored high that regard, including the Alex Smith trade. Franchises aren't built on "that trade benefited both teams" they're built on "that team dominated the other team". We don't make the kind of trades that build dynasties, we make the kind of trades that turn disasters into workable (Jarred Allen, Matt Cassel, Alex Smith).

There is a lot of talent on this team at this exact moment, but it won't last long. Tamba is on the down side. Bowe, Flowers, Charles, DJ, and Albert are at their peaks and will be heading down soon. Houston, Berry, and Poe are on the up swing. We have some talented rookies and most of our other starters don't suck.

Strike now while the iron is hot

-or-

Chief's Nation burns.

In which direction does the Alex Smith trade tip the scales, in all honesty?
So you want to win now.