Philthy opens as 5 point favorite and already down

[Nzoner]

to -3.5 (http://www.scoresandodds.com/grid_20130919.html)

[BigRedChief]

-5 what moron casino came up with that number?

[Nzoner]

49 points O/U

Based on the last 2 games by Philthy I'd say Vegas is thinking the KC D can keep this close.

[Nzoner]

-5 what moron casino came up with that number?

Based on the current line at -3.5 I'd say vegas is getting their wish and the money will even out.

[Rasputin]

I'm not a fan of Thursday night football other than I love football but I don't think it gives either team good enough time to prepare for each other to make it a good game.

I think it was good practice today that the Cowboys used a hurry up offense and we handled it pretty good.


We get three and outs on Philly we got a good chance to win. Also turnovers Mike Vic is still Mike Vic I'm sure he will provide a turnover or two or three.

[BigRedChief]

Based on the current line at -3.5 I'd say vegas is getting their wish and the money will even out.yep, just get even money on both sides.

I thought Philly was the future of the NFL? Now a team that only won 2 games last year is in reality a +.5 underdog?LMAO

[vailpass]

-5 what moron casino came up with that number?

The kind that wants action. And it worked, like it always does.

[Rasputin]

49 points O/U

Based on the last 2 games by Philthy I'd say Vegas is thinking the KC D can keep this close.


Until our offense can start putting up points we have to win with low scoring games. I don't think we can handle any shootouts. Dustin Colquitt is an asset to make teams march the field and the Eagles will make mistakes.

[Demonpenz]

chiefs can handle vick...

[DenverChief]

Until our offense can start putting up points we have to win with low scoring games. I don't think we can handle any shootouts. Dustin Colquitt is an asset to make teams march the field and the Eagles will make mistakes.

I think we can put some points up - BUT that is really only gonna happen against defenses that aren't going to stack the box and take the run away -IF Charles can get going our offense could be really potent

[Marcellus]

Odds on going 3-0 cant be good.

[Nzoner]

I think we can put some points up - BUT that is really only gonna happen against defenses that aren't going to stack the box and take the run away -IF Charles can get going our offense could be really potent

Here's to hoping Andy has a few tricks he's yet to show.

[petegz28]

I think we can put some points up - BUT that is really only gonna happen against defenses that aren't going to stack the box and take the run away -IF Charles can get going our offense could be really potent

We will work the ball over the top if teams keep stacking the box. It will happen.

[Strongside]

Against that D we can put up 30. They're borderline Jacksonville bad on defense. And before you jump at my throat for saying so...go have a look at the stats. Also, have a look at their fan forums...it's wristcutters anonymous over there. They're already wanting to crucify Chip Kelly for being the exact opposite of Buddy Ryan.

[Nzoner]

Odds on going 3-0 cant be good.

I said earlier I think I'll go with Philthy in my survivor pool so I win either way and a $100 pool is well worth losing if KC can go 3-0

[petegz28]

Odds on going 3-0 cant be good.

3-0 with 2 of the 3 on the road at that? Not favorable.

[vailpass]

I think we can put some points up - BUT that is really only gonna happen against defenses that aren't going to stack the box and take the run away -IF Charles can get going our offense could be really potent

Yeah you gotta use Bowe to open it up then get JC going. IMHO you have to find a legit#2wr or te.

[petegz28]

Yeah you gotta use Bowe to open it up then get JC going. IMHO you have to find a legit#2wr or te.

If they keep stacking you're going to see Bowe or Avery get the throws. We have seen Smith throw to the outside and it will happen. If they fake it and drop into coverage you will see JC get the ball in the flat like you did today.

[Marcellus]

3-0 with 2 of the 3 on the road at that? Not favorable.

If it happens that means we are as talented as many predicted we just had really bad coaching and remarkably bad QB play the last few years.

[Ace Gunner]

I'm not a fan of Thursday night football other than I love football but I don't think it gives either team good enough time to prepare for each other to make it a good game.

I think it was good practice today that the Cowboys used a hurry up offense and we handled it pretty good.


We get three and outs on Philly we got a good chance to win. Also turnovers Mike Vic is still Mike Vic I'm sure he will provide a turnover or two or three.


you mean puke concussion turnovers from the Chiefs DL mosh pit

[petegz28]

If Philly brings up 8 and doubles Bowe you are going to have the isolation with Avery plus they will flare a back to the opposite side of the TE. Standard West Coast offense and tough to defend as long as the QB can make the read.

[vailpass]

If they keep stacking you're going to see Bowe or Avery get the throws. We have seen Smith throw to the outside and it will happen. If they fake it and drop into coverage you will see JC get the ball in the flat like you did today.

Yes. It's a new system, takes time to find your rhythm but that has to happen if you want to go far.

[vailpass]

If it happens that means we are as talented as many predicted we just had really bad coaching and remarkably bad QB play the last few years.

Even if that doesn't happen, that was still the case...

[Ace Gunner]

Yeah you gotta use Bowe to open it up then get JC going. IMHO you have to find a legit#2wr or te.

ya, but we're in week two and this team is very new in those areas. let's see if this staff can get the offense going with what's new.

[Deberg_1990]

If it happens that means we are as talented as many predicted we just had really bad coaching and remarkably bad QB play the last few years.

You can't tell this already?

[Marcellus]

Even if that doesn't happen, that was still the case...

Thats true as well.

JFC it has been painful.

I was at the KC Denver game last year and I had a front row view of the bad that was our QB's.

[Marcellus]

You can't tell this already?

I can, many here can't.

[petegz28]

Yes. It's a new system, takes time to find your rhythm but that has to happen if you want to go far.

Each week this team gets film is another week they can gel. Particularly the WR's and QB. It's one thing to teach an offense in camp. It's another when you have actual game film that Reid can break down and they can work off of. I think they will just improve more and more. The downfield throws happened a little more today than last week and I expect that will continue.

[Deberg_1990]

I can, many here can't.

Heh, I'm not saying we are world beaters, but it feels great to have a competent, professional football team again.

[Discuss Thrower]

The last time Reid started 2-0 his Eagles won 4 more straight IIRC

[vailpass]

ya, but we're in week two and this team is very new in those areas. let's see if this staff can get the offense going with what's new.

Completely agree. Year 2 is where it really comes together.

[petegz28]

Heh, I'm not saying we are world beaters, but it feels great to have a competent, professional football team again.

As with any organization, it starts at the top. You can already see the difference between Pioli\Haley\Romeo and Dorsey\Reid.

[vailpass]

Thats true as well.

JFC it has been painful.

I was at the KC Denver game last year and I had a front row view of the bad that was our QB's.

IMHO you guys improved your qb situation greatly, best option available.

[vailpass]

Each week this team gets film is another week they can gel. Particularly the WR's and QB. It's one thing to teach an offense in camp. It's another when you have actual game film that Reid can break down and they can work off of. I think they will just improve more and more. The downfield throws happened a little more today than last week and I expect that will continue.

Yep. You really need a 2 to step forward, even if it's a rb. Something to loosen it up. You gotta score a few more points. Just my opinion.

[notorious]

On the road, short week.

Don't get your hopes up, gentlemen.

[Marcellus]

On the road, short week.

Don't get your hopes up, gentlemen.

I agree, recipe for a let down.

Reid's return to Philly may counter that though.

[xztop123]

I wonder if we should even play Devito or Tyson jackson... im not sure.

[Hammock Parties]

Justin Houston is going to break Michael Vick's spine in sixteen pieces.

Reid is going to whip the team into a frenzy.

[mr. tegu]

For me the key to this game is really simple. Run the ball and keep Philly's offense off the field. We should be able to average well over 5 YPC against them. But will we actually run the ball? We shall see.

[Gadzooks]

Philly played a great game today. They'll use McCoy and Vick's running at will and exploit any weaknesses in the secondary over and over again.
Poe with probably have a heart attack in the first quarter.

[Strongside]

For me the key to this game is really simple. Run the ball and keep Philly's offense off the field. We should be able to average well over 5 YPC against them. But will we actually run the ball? We shall see.

That D is bad. Most notably, their secondary can't stop a nose bleed. If we can get the run game established early, play-action will be like Reid taking candy from a baby.

[vailpass]

For me the key to this game is really simple. Run the ball and keep Philly's offense off the field. We should be able to average well over 5 YPC against them. But will we actually run the ball? We shall see.

5ypc? You'll never lose another game if you can do that.

[Strongside]

Philly played a great game today. They'll use McCoy and Vick's running at will and exploit any weaknesses in the secondary over and over again.
Poe with probably have a heart attack in the first quarter.

I saw the highlights bro. Their D looked lost. That's not a great game. There were plays where receivers were completely uncovered. Not, like, open...like no one physically covered the man. It was bad.

[AussieChiefsFan]

On the road, short week.

Don't get your hopes up, gentlemen.They have a short week too. If anyone is going to be fatigued, it's going to be them due to their abundance of offensive snaps.

[Marcellus]

They have a short week too. If anyone is going to be fatigued, it's going to be them due to their abundance of offensive snaps.

Interesting theory.

[vailpass]

They have a short week too. If anyone is going to be fatigued, it's going to be them due to their abundance of offensive snaps.

Yep. Travel that far is hard on a team though.

[MMXcalibur]

I'm not a fan of Thursday night football other than I love football but I don't think it gives either team good enough time to prepare for each other to make it a good game.

I think it was good practice today that the Cowboys used a hurry up offense and we handled it pretty good.


We get three and outs on Philly we got a good chance to win. Also turnovers Mike Vic is still Mike Vic I'm sure he will provide a turnover or two or three.

Thursday Night football is always sloppy. I don't like it because it gives us less time to prepare for what's looking like a very dangerous offense.

[Hammock Parties]

Thursday night football is sloppy but I'll bet an Andy Reid/Alex Smith team will be a lot more prepared than a Vick/College coach team.

[AussieChiefsFan]

Thursday night football is sloppy but I'll bet an Andy Reid/Alex Smith team will be a lot more prepared than a Vick/College coach team.This.

I'm not saying we're definitely going to win, but I also don't get why many seem to be freaking out.

[Fritz88]

They are a fast team. McCoy won't run on our DL. It's Jackson that's scary

[O.city]

Stanford used to beat those Oregon teams by being nasty and more physical. We can knock Vick around, he'll throw us a ball or two

[AussieChiefsFan]

They are a fast team. McCoy won't run on our DL. It's Jackson that's scarySo you could say that next week Jackson = Dez this week. The Eagles do have the upper hand compared to the QB we faced this week, in Vick. But as we've said, Philly's D is horrible, much worse than Dallas'.

[Strongside]

We should get a ton of media hype this week. Especially from NFLN.

[Discuss Thrower]

They have a short week too. If anyone is going to be fatigued, it's going to be them due to their abundance of offensive snaps.

They're en route from the West Coast. The Chiefs are in the 816 taunting Dontari about getting BBQ right now..

[RunKC]

I see a lot of nickel packages for this game.

[AussieChiefsFan]

They're en route from the West Coast. ..Who's on route from the west? The Eagles?

The Chiefs are in the 816 taunting Dontari about getting BBQ right nowLMAO

[AussieChiefsFan]

Another thing. Isn't Vick injured? I haven't watched the SD/PHI game yet, but I thought I heard that he has some sort of lingering injury.

[Strongside]

Another thing. Isn't Vick injured? I haven't watched the SD/PHI game yet, but I thought I heard that he has some sort of lingering injury.

Vick is permanently injured in some way, shape or form.

[RINGLEADER]

Against that D we can put up 30. They're borderline Jacksonville bad on defense. And before you jump at my throat for saying so...go have a look at the stats. Also, have a look at their fan forums...it's wristcutters anonymous over there. They're already wanting to crucify Chip Kelly for being the exact opposite of Buddy Ryan.

We'll need, even with a good defensive performance, probably 24-27 points for a chance to win.

[Hammock Parties]

This defense is going to abuse Mike Vick.

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/assets/3225911/lolvick.gif

[AussieChiefsFan]

Vick is permanently injured in some way, shape or form.Like Clay said about Moeki.

Vick cannot be considered injured, as he exists as an injured being.


Or something along those lines. LMAO

[RINGLEADER]

So you could say that next week Jackson = Dez this week. The Eagles do have the upper hand compared to the QB we faced this week, in Vick. But as we've said, Philly's D is horrible, much worse than Dallas'.

Not sure about their D, but it will be interesting to see how well we contain a mobile QB...

[AussieChiefsFan]

This defense is going to abuse Mike Vick.

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/assets/3225911/lolvick.gifYes. Thank you. LMAO

[Strongside]

Like Clay said about Moeki.

Vick cannot be considered injured, as he exists as an injured being.


Or something along those lines. LMAO

He's not listed on the injury report unless he's healthy.

[AussieChiefsFan]

Not sure about their D, but it will be interesting to see how well we contain a mobile QB...I've got a feeling that Hali or Houston are going to be going out of their way to lay the boom on Vick.

I'm not really sure myself, but compared to say, Dallas' O-Line, how good is Philly's line?

[AussieChiefsFan]

He's not listed on the injury report unless he's healthy.LMAO

[keg in kc]

I've had this one chalked down as a loss since I saw the schedule. I don't think it'll be close. It's hard to win road games in general, and that's going to be an...interesting environment to play in. Our D is very talented, but I just don't think we have enough speed on the back end to match up. And we don't have an offense that appears capable of hanging around in a shoot-out. It's sort of an old addage, but I think the only way we win is if we survive whatever onslaught happens early on, and then keep it close enough that we can eek it out (sort of like today...). But I just have a feeling this is one where we fall behind early and it's never in doubt.

[Carlota69]

I had this in the loss column as well. The only thing about The Eagles is they are running on 3 short weeks. Monday night, then short week into Sunday then another short week into a Thursday. Hoping they are exhausted and we manage to get a few lucky breaks. Zo:-)

[RunKC]

I've got a feeling that Hali or Houston are going to be going out of their way to lay the boom on Vick.

I'm not really sure myself, but compared to say, Dallas' O-Line, how good is Philly's line?

They're not too bad. Lane Johnson has looked better than Eric Fisher and Luke Joeckel so far.

[RealSNR]

I don't know. I'm bizarrely optimistic about Philly this week.

Chip Kelly's offense will gash our D for several big plays, but I have to think that we're speedy enough and talented enough in our linebackers that we'll blow some of his shit to pieces. We'll give up big plays but also make lots of big plays in the way of sacks and turnovers.

Like that stacked formation with 3 receivers bunched on each side with only 3 offensive linemen? I'd like to see Kelly try that shit. Even if Vick gets the ball out instantaneously, Houston and Hali if they line up and tee off have a good shot at a deflection or even a sack or a pick.

Eagles fans have said their defense can't stop shit, so even with our limitations on offense, I think we might be in okay shape.

Not gonna call a prediction just yet, but again, I don't think we're in as big of trouble as lots of people say we are.

[AussieChiefsFan]

I don't know. I'm bizarrely optimistic about Philly this week.

Chip Kelly's offense will gash our D for several big plays, but I have to think that we're speedy enough and talented enough in our linebackers that we'll blow some of his shit to pieces. We'll give up big plays but also make lots of big plays in the way of sacks and turnovers.

Like that stacked formation with 3 receivers bunched on each side with only 3 offensive linemen? I'd like to see Kelly try that shit. Even if Vick gets the ball out instantaneously, Houston and Hali if they line up and tee off have a good shot at a deflection or even a sack or a pick.

Eagles fans have said their defense can't stop shit, so even with our limitations on offense, I think we might be in okay shape.

Not gonna call a prediction just yet, but again, I don't think we're in as big of trouble as lots of people say we are.Precisely. Rep.

[AndysMansiere]

vick is an idiot...but the eagles' offense is amazing....they'll put up 30+ pts.

eagles' defense is just awful...they'll make alex smith look like aaron rodgers.

take the over.

[the Talking Can]

basically, we need to injure vick

[Lzen]

If it happens that means we are as talented as many predicted we just had really bad coaching and remarkably bad QB play the last few years.

I would say that the first two games have already proven that.

[Dunerdr]

Im nervous about this one its not a must win but it sure would be nice.

[Marcellus]

3-0 with 2 road wins would be tough. Andy coming back to Philly is the wild card in my opinion.

Kind of set up for an epic win.

[TEX]

3-0 with 2 road wins would be tough. Andy coming back to Philly is the wild card in my opinion.

Kind of set up for an epic win.

Yep. If KC can stay close early, they've got a good shot at winning.

[wink91wink]

Yep. If KC can stay close early, they've got a good shot at winning.

Vick doesn't like to get hit too much either. And we sorta have this man-beast named Poe...:thumb:

[AndysMansiere]

poe will be sucking wind with the eagles' fast paced offense running plays every 20 seconds.

[Chiefs=Champions]

poe will be sucking wind with the eagles' fast paced offense running plays every 20 seconds.

Poe is one of our best conditioned players. I doubt that.

[Nzoner]

And the over/under goes to 50

[Fire Me Boy!]

And the over/under goes to 50

http://www.therewasnodoubtaboutit.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/princess_bride_50_med_2.jpg

[Oxford]

vick is an idiot...but the eagles' offense is amazing....they'll put up 30+ pts.

eagles' defense is just awful...they'll make alex smith look like aaron rodgers.

take the over.

If this is true, then I say Philly gets the early advantage, we make the defensive adjustments, then in the 2nd half its a whole heaping helping of JC, Chiefs to win it late.

[Old Dog]

Travel that far is hard on a team though.

BS. It isn't like they have to take covered wagons to get there. It's a fricking 3 hour flight.

[Nzoner]

BS. It isn't like they have to take covered wagons to get there. It's a fricking 3 hour flight.

I'd say the Chargers handled it fairly well.

[RockChalk]

Does anyone know if a local channel picks up the NFLN feed of the game? I know they have for MNF games in the past, but can't seem to remember how they've handled the Thursday games.

[Nzoner]

Does anyone know if a local channel picks up the NFLN feed of the game? I know they have for MNF games in the past, but can't seem to remember how they've handled the Thursday games.

I saw an ad for it the other day but can't remember which local KC station is carrying it

[Halfcan]

The Eagles have a pitiful Defense. Lets hope this is the week the Chiefs Offensive line starts looking as good in the game as they do on paper.

Hopefully the Chiefs will find their running game this week.

[Strongside]

Does anyone know if a local channel picks up the NFLN feed of the game? I know they have for MNF games in the past, but can't seem to remember how they've handled the Thursday games.

41 ACTION NEWS. (NBC)

[KINGPIN CHIEFS FAN]

Philly will be playing their third game in 10 days. They couldn't handle the pace yesterday after a six day rest. How do you think they will look come Thursday after only 3 days? Their defense allowed Rivers to throw over 400 yards and look like Aaron Rodgers! Plus Vick conked his head towards the end of the game and he'll still be foggy on Thursday at best. They will have rubber legs by the second quarter and KC wins going away 34-16. Andy Reid knows how to play the NFC east including his old team.

[RockChalk]

I saw an ad for it the other day but can't remember which local KC station is carrying it

41 ACTION NEWS. (NBC)

Just got on the KSHB-41 website and confirmed they will be showing the game. Thanks for the info, guys :thumb:

[Halfcan]

Philly will be playing their third game in 10 days. They couldn't handle the pace yesterday after a six day rest. How do you think they will look come Thursday after only 3 days? Their defense allowed Rivers to throw over 400 yards and look like Aaron Rodgers! Plus Vick conked his head towards the end of the game and he'll still be foggy on Thursday at best. They will have rubber legs by the second quarter and KC wins going away 34-16. Andy Reid knows how to play the NFC east including his old team.

Yep the Chargers ran thatDd up and down the field. Hopefully a combo of Eagles hurry up and a new found Chiefs running game will wear them down even more and we can put them away in the 4th quarter.

I wonder if they will put Berry as a "spy" on Vick to cut down his runs?

Should be a close game but very winable I hope.

[EyePod]

I think we can put some points up - BUT that is really only gonna happen against defenses that aren't going to stack the box and take the run away -IF Charles can get going our offense could be really potent

Eagles D is tired and bad. Get ready for Charles to blow it up. Best way we can fight their offense is to keep ours on the field...

[EyePod]

Does anyone know if a local channel picks up the NFLN feed of the game? I know they have for MNF games in the past, but can't seem to remember how they've handled the Thursday games.

I'm in the same boat. I live in Philly but don't have cable. I have the internet only Sunday Ticket, but that doesn't cover Thursday night games... I can always find a stream but it'd be easier if I didn't have to.

Edit: It's on 6ABC, which is the only OTA channel I don't get! :-/

[Titty Meat]

41 will show the Chiefs game locally

[Nzoner]

I'm in the same boat. I live in Philly but don't have cable. I have the internet only Sunday Ticket, but that doesn't cover Thursday night games... I can always find a stream but it'd be easier if I didn't have to.

Edit: It's on 6ABC, which is the only OTA channel I don't get! :-/

Sounds like it's time to find a sports bar

[Marcellus]

I cant wait to go 3-0 and then listen to people here complain about how bad Alex Smith sucks.

[Mr. Laz]

poe will be sucking wind with the eagles' fast paced offense running plays every 20 seconds.

somebody doesn't know anything about the Chiefs or Philly


you realize that Phillys # of offensive plays dropped in half from game 1 to game 2?

A tempo offense doesn't do shit IF they can't covert on 3rd down and/or your defense can't get off the field.

all you are doing is killing your time of possession

[crossbow]

If it happens that means we are as talented as many predicted we just had really bad coaching and remarkably bad QB play the last few years.

I think it is safe to say we had really bad coaching and QB play. Yes we can go out on that limb with little risk.

[A Salt Weapon]

I'm seeing the line at 3 now, pretty much calls it a push once you factor in home field advantage.

[Discuss Thrower]

I'm seeing the line at 3 now, pretty much calls it a push once you factor in home field advantage.

So everyone was pounding Philly on that -5 and Vegas moved it in to get action on KC...

[Easy 6]

In my weekly picks, i have us winning this game, its not such a crazy thought and there are several posts in this thread which are helping justify my decision last night.

[JimNasium]

Two things strike me about this game. First, and this has been posted previously, Philly has got to be exhausted. That's a brutal 10-day stretch they've had handed to them. Add to it that they had to take a cross-country flight last night. The schedule makers did them no favors, that's for sure.

Secondly, Reid has this team believing. They are playing hard for him and I believe there is a sense of loyalty that we haven't seen since Vermeil retired. They will be focused on his return to Philly more than he will.

I'm looking forward to seeing how they respond. It's great to not have our season over after the second week like it was last year.

[Old Dog]

So everyone was pounding Philly on that -5 and Vegas moved it in to get action on KC...

delete....misread

[petegz28]

Two things strike me about this game. First, and this has been posted previously, Philly has got to be exhausted. That's a brutal 10-day stretch they've had handed to them. Add to it that they had to take a cross-country flight last night. The schedule makers did them no favors, that's for sure.

Secondly, Reid has this team believing. They are playing hard for him and I believe there is a sense of loyalty that we haven't seen since Vermeil retired. They will be focused on his return to Philly more than he will.

I'm looking forward to seeing how they respond. It's great to not have our season over after the second week like it was last year.

Uhh...what cross country flight?

[Discuss Thrower]

Huh? How do I have that backwards?

[Chief Faithful]

Eagles D is tired and bad. Get ready for Charles to blow it up. Best way we can fight their offense is to keep ours on the field...

By no means am I a Philly expert, but from what I saw yesterday instead of tired I would say slow; the Philly defense looked slow reacting, slow in the chase and slow to penetrate. You are right the best chance for Philly is to score a lot of points. DeSaun Jackson looks really good and should have a good day.

Good thing for Philly they caught KC early in the season before the offense has jelled.

[JimNasium]

Uhh...what cross country flight?

Sandy Eggo to Philly = cross country, no?

[JimNasium]

Sandy Eggo to Philly = cross country, no?

Never mind, I've obviously gone full-retard

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Did Dez really catch that pass? I couldn't tell at the game.

[Old Dog]

Sandy Eggo to Philly = cross country, no?

yeah, but the game was in Philadelphia

[JimNasium]

yeah, but the game was in Philadelphia

Yes, I am a dumbass. Does that help?

[Nzoner]

I'm seeing the line at 3 now, pretty much calls it a push once you factor in home field advantage.

If you click on the -3.5 in my OP it'll take you to scores and odds which still has it at -3.5.Great thing about Vegas though if you're willing to hit every sports book you'd be amazed at the differences you can find.

[Nzoner]

Yes, I am a dumbass. Does that help?

Some of us already knew that :D

Good to see you man :toast:

[Old Dog]

Yes, I am a dumbass. Does that help?

I saw that you fixed it as I was posting.....but I've found that admitting you're a dumbass is the first step.

For me it was admitting/accepting that I'm an asshole most of the time....the great thing is that I just don't care anymore....congrats

[Frazod]

I hate going in there on such short rest. I wish they played these games on Friday night instead of Thursday.

Would be easier for me running the office pool, too.

[JimNasium]

I saw that you fixed it as I was posting.....but I've found that admitting you're a dumbass is the first step.

For me it was admitting/accepting that I'm an asshole most of the time....the great thing is that I just don't care anymore....congrats

We don't have the time nor space for me to confirm all of my shortcomings. :thumb:

[JimNasium]

Some of us already knew that :D

Good to see you man :toast:
:evil:

[mr. tegu]

So everyone was pounding Philly on that -5 and Vegas moved it in to get action on KC...

No. If everyone was taking Philly the line would have gotten larger. The line opened too high and everyone was taking KC so they had to make it smaller to get money on Philly.

[Nzoner]

Holy shit the over/under is now 51.5

[stevieray]

For me it was admitting/accepting that I'm an asshole most of the time....the great thing is that I just don't care anymore....congrats


50 or older...

[keg in kc]

Holy shit the over/under is now 51.5Yeah. I'm thinking under. Way under.

[vailpass]

Yeah. I'm thinking under. Way under.

I can see kc scoring 24 to 28. not sure what Philly will put up on your D.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Against that D we can put up 30. They're borderline Jacksonville bad on defense. And before you jump at my throat for saying so...go have a look at the stats. Also, have a look at their fan forums...it's wristcutters anonymous over there. They're already wanting to crucify Chip Kelly for being the exact opposite of Buddy Ryan.


Agreed . They are ranked lik 30th in D already and their offense is tired.

Chiefs will win this game . Our Defense is for real.

[keg in kc]

I can see kc scoring 24 to 28. not sure what Philly will put up on your D.I can, too. Unfortunately I can also see kc scoring 17 again.

I think we'll slow their offense down at least a little.

[vailpass]

I can, too. Unfortunately I can also see kc scoring 17 again.

I think we'll slow their offense down at least a little.

I think your O breaks out against that crappy D.

[saphojunkie]

People can say whatever they want to about Romo.

Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Demarco Murray, Terrance Williams. We just faced the most explosive offensive weapons we will all year outside of Denver.

Flowers on Desean is a significantly better matchup than Bryant.

[keg in kc]

If they're giving it a 51.5 point over/under then 27/28-24 is what it would take.

I don't like our odds when it comes to being on the good side of a shootout.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Did Dez really catch that pass? I couldn't tell at the game.

?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

We will work the ball over the top if teams keep stacking the box. It will happen.

I will remember this.

[Simply Red]

People can say whatever they want to about Romo.

Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Demarco Murray, Terrance Williams. We just faced the most explosive offensive weapons we will all year outside of Denver.

Flowers on Desean is a significantly better matchup than Bryant.

Yes.

[wink91wink]

Yes.

Not to mention there is so many less threats on Philly than there was on Dallas, so we can give Flowers help if he needs it.

[007]

Does anyone know if a local channel picks up the NFLN feed of the game? I know they have for MNF games in the past, but can't seem to remember how they've handled the Thursday games.

nobody in Topeka is carrying it from what I can tell. SUCKS

[joeyknish]

Against that D we can put up 30. They're borderline Jacksonville bad on defense. And before you jump at my throat for saying so...go have a look at the stats. Also, have a look at their fan forums...it's wristcutters anonymous over there. They're already wanting to crucify Chip Kelly for being the exact opposite of Buddy Ryan.

Eagles fan here. The defense isn't Chip's fault. He inherited that mess from Andy. And now Andy gets to game plan against it. Thanks alot, Andy! Any Eagles fan on suicide watch had unrealistic expectations about this season before it began.

[joeyknish]

By no means am I a Philly expert, but from what I saw yesterday instead of tired I would say slow; the Philly defense looked slow reacting, slow in the chase and slow to penetrate. You are right the best chance for Philly is to score a lot of points. DeSaun Jackson looks really good and should have a good day.

Good thing for Philly they caught KC early in the season before the offense has jelled.

The same can be said about the Philly defense, as it's two games into a 3-4 transition, which may help generate more quarterback pressure down the road.

[joeyknish]

I'm in the same boat. I live in Philly but don't have cable. I have the internet only Sunday Ticket, but that doesn't cover Thursday night games... I can always find a stream but it'd be easier if I didn't have to.

Edit: It's on 6ABC, which is the only OTA channel I don't get! :-/

There is a Chiefs bar in South Philly: Big Charlie's.

[joeyknish]

chiefs can handle vick...

Based on what evidence this year?

[joeyknish]

For me the key to this game is really simple. Run the ball and keep Philly's offense off the field. We should be able to average well over 5 YPC against them. But will we actually run the ball? We shall see.

If Andy has to run, it assures a pass.

[joeyknish]

Not sure about their D, but it will be interesting to see how well we contain a mobile QB...

Vick has run sparingly this year.

[joeyknish]

Two things strike me about this game. First, and this has been posted previously, Philly has got to be exhausted. That's a brutal 10-day stretch they've had handed to them. Add to it that they had to take a cross-country flight last night. The schedule makers did them no favors, that's for sure.

Secondly, Reid has this team believing. They are playing hard for him and I believe there is a sense of loyalty that we haven't seen since Vermeil retired. They will be focused on his return to Philly more than he will.

I'm looking forward to seeing how they respond. It's great to not have our season over after the second week like it was last year.

Why do you think the Eagles traveled cross country?

[joeyknish]

People can say whatever they want to about Romo.

Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Demarco Murray, Terrance Williams. We just faced the most explosive offensive weapons we will all year outside of Denver.

Flowers on Desean is a significantly better matchup than Bryant.

1. I would put the Eagles on par to better than the offensive players of the Cowboys;

2. Offensive players don't mean anything without an offensive line, which is patch work for the Cowboys and stout for the Eagles.

[Marcellus]

There is a Chiefs bar in South Philly: Big Charlie's.


Heh, they dont exactly have a good rep here.

[Marcellus]

Based on what evidence this year?

Have you watched any Chief's games this season?

[chefsos]

There is a Chiefs bar in South Philly: Big Charlie's.http://youtu.be/bJJHSsLhE24?t=2m53s

[joeyknish]

Have you watched any Chief's games this season?

Haven't had the chance yet. I still await the evidence though.q

[vailpass]

Haven't had the chance yet. I still await the evidence though.q

The night is dark and full of terrors.

[joeyknish]

Heh, they dont exactly have a good rep here.

I saw them on the news a few weeks back. If you want any other recommendations, let me know.

[AussieChiefsFan]

BS. It isn't like they have to take covered wagons to get there. It's a fricking 3 hour flight.Thats what I was thinking.

[joeyknish]

The night is dark and full of terrors.

The nightmare is facing Peyton with this secondary.

[Dartgod]

Eagles fan here. The defense isn't Chip's fault. He inherited that mess from Andy. And now Andy gets to game plan against it. Thanks alot, Andy! Any Eagles fan on suicide watch had unrealistic expectations about this season before it began.

Welcome Eggles fan! Here's some negative rep for you.

[beer bacon]

What I like about the Chiefs in a must score every possession type of game: Alex can extend a lot of drives with his legs. His running ability is underrated.

What I don't like: Alex likes to throw short, and I can see a lot of 3rd and 8s where he dumps it off for five yards instead of trying to hit a WR for a first down. Fine when we can score 17 points and win. It won't cut it when we need 30+ to win.

[AussieChiefsFan]

What I like about the Chiefs in a must score every possession type of game: Alex can extend a lot of drives with his legs. His running ability is underrated.

What I don't like: Alex likes to throw short, and I can see a lot of 3rd and 8s where he dumps it off for five yards instead of trying to hit a WR for a first down. Fine when we can score 17 points and win. It won't cut it when we need 30+ to win.We missed so many opportunities yet still scored 17 points on the Dallas D. I think we can score 30+ vs the Eagles D.

[RealSNR]

Eagles fan here. The defense isn't Chip's fault. He inherited that mess from Andy. And now Andy gets to game plan against it. Thanks alot, Andy! Any Eagles fan on suicide watch had unrealistic expectations about this season before it began.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lt524puWn21qdlkgg.gif

[Carlota69]

I can, too. Unfortunately I can also see kc scoring 17 again.

I think we'll slow their offense down at least a little.

Our Defense Coordinator knows this offense like the back of his hand ( he ran it for 9 years in college). He also knows Chip kelly like the back of his hand (studies him for fun). Our D will be more than ready for whatever they throw at us. Now, if our pass defense has the skills to defend whats coming, thats a whole different story.

[Sorter]

Our Defense Coordinator knows this offense like the back of his hand ( he ran it for 9 years in college). He also knows Chip kelly like the back of his hand (studies him for fun). Our D will be more than ready for whatever they throw at us. Now, if our pass defense has the skills to defend whats coming, thats a whole different story.

That's interesting. Source?

[Carlota69]

That's interesting. Source?

NFL Network. They were talking about it yesterday afternoon. I was totally worried bout our D against the Eagles, but after watching the segment on Bob Sutton, I relaxed a bit :)

[Discuss Thrower]

Sutton coached at Army for the better part of the 90s... They didn't do much and there's no mention on college football reference on the type of offense the Knights ran.

[Old Dog]

Our Defense Coordinator knows this offense like the back of his hand ( he ran it for 9 years in college).

My rememberer may be broken, but I believe Army generally ran a flexbone option offense in the 90s under Sutton and it certainly wasn't a fast-break no-huddle type.

[Carlota69]

Sutton coached at Army for the better part of the 90s... They didn't do much and there's no mention on college football reference on the type of offense the Knights ran.

They were talking about it on NFLN for about 5 minutes yesterday. I dont think they were pulling it out of their ass. They talked about him running it at Army, and that he also studied Chip kelly for years out of "respect".

I didnt imagine the segment.

[Chiefs=Champions]

They were talking about it on NFLN for about 5 minutes yesterday. I dont think they were pulling it out of their ass. They talked about him running it at Army, and that he also studied Chip kelly for years out of "respect".

I didnt imagine the segment.

It would make sense. Use the fitness of the smaller army players.

[Carlota69]

It would make sense. Use the fitness of the smaller army players.

they were talking about it around 2-3pm PST. I think thats "Around the League"? Anyways, I had this as a loss, but that segment gave me a little bit of hope.

[Nzoner]

they were talking about it around 2-3pm PST. I think thats "Around the League"? Anyways, I had this as a loss, but that segment gave me a little bit of hope.

Lest we forget Jon Gruden when facing his former team in the Superbowl owned them.Granted,it's a new system but I'd like to think Andy knows a lot about his former players and that gives me some hope as well.

[joeyknish]

Welcome Eggles fan! Here's some negative rep for you.

Thank you! I am expecting a very competitive game.

[saphojunkie]

Thank you! I am expecting a very competitive game.

I'm expecting Vick and McCoy to be in fourteen different pieces at the end of the game.

[mikey23545]

they were talking about it around 2-3pm PST. I think thats "Around the League"? Anyways, I had this as a loss, but that segment gave me a little bit of hope.

"Sutton on the read-option:

At Oregon, before he ever got to Philadelphia, I studied his film in the past out of curiosity because I think it’s a great system. We just have to try to understand it and the bottom line is you still have to be able to play block, you still have to be able to help. If you don’t do those two things very well, you’re not going to play very well on defense. We just have to make sure we don’t lose sight of that, that this is still football and the things we have to do every week are still demanding of us. Attack, block protection, tackle, swarm to the ball, those things that allow you to be successful are not going away.

This is a different approach to football. They spread you out obviously, they get to option one guy that they don’t have to block and that can sometimes give you leverage on offense from the standpoint that somebody has to be back here to take care of this guy, or somebody has to be back here to take care of this quarterback . It’s just like any system, you try to adapt to what they’re doing to you and hopefully you can figure it out as fast as possible."


http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2013/9/17/4741570/kansas-city-chiefs-defensive-coordinator-bob-sutton-eagles-offense?ref=yahoo

[mcaj22]

Eagles fan here. The defense isn't Chip's fault. He inherited that mess from Andy. And now Andy gets to game plan against it. Thanks alot, Andy! Any Eagles fan on suicide watch had unrealistic expectations about this season before it began.

so let me get this straight

The defense is not Chips fault

yet he brought in the new D Coordinator, and changed the scheme from wide 9 to 3-4

you have:

a new LDE
a new NT from a Super Bowl team a year ago
a first round 12th overall pick at RDE
a LOLB who was on a good Texans 3-4 defense a year ago
a first round pick backing him up at LOLB
a 2nd rould pick at MLBer
a team captain at the other MLBer spot who you traded peanuts for
Trent Cole as your Rushbacker at ROLB

besides like 3 guys your front 7 is filled with all FIRST AND SECOND ROUND DRAFT PICKS WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT?

and Andy didnt have Cary Williams from the Super Bowl Ravens last year, Chip and the boys paid for him. You also brought in Patrick Chung and Bradley Fletcher

Andy Reid did not have those guys and he did not pass them onto Chip. Chip brought those guys in and its on him if they ****ing suck. He was plucking FA scraps from the Ravens, 49ers and Patriots and then you cry when they dont perform and blame Andy, who never coached any of them once last season in Philly. Kind of funny. 75 percent of your defense has been turned over and half the guys are 1st and 2nd round picks just not performing well, what more do you want.

[joeyknish]

I'm expecting Vick and McCoy to be in fourteen different pieces at the end of the game.

Not without a major injury to an offensive lineman.

[bowener]

I am not trying to intentionally hijack this thread, but can somebody please PM me and explain how betting works? I'm not going to start gambling, I am just curious and completely ignorant of how it works.

[joeyknish]

LMAO at the suggestion that 75% turnover in defensive players from one regime to the next was not the primary responsibility of the prior regime. If Chip inherited a stud defense do you think there would be that many players released?

QUOTE=mcaj22;9988134]so let me get this straight

The defense is not Chips fault

yet he brought in the new D Coordinator, and changed the scheme from wide 9 to 3-4

you have:

a new LDE
a new NT from a Super Bowl team a year ago
a first round 12th overall pick at RDE
a LOLB who was on a good Texans 3-4 defense a year ago
a first round pick backing him up at LOLB
a 2nd rould pick at MLBer
a team captain at the other MLBer spot who you traded peanuts for
Trent Cole as your Rushbacker at ROLB

besides like 3 guys your front 7 is filled with all FIRST AND SECOND ROUND DRAFT PICKS WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT?

and Andy didnt have Cary Williams from the Super Bowl Ravens last year, Chip and the boys paid for him. You also brought in Patrick Chung and Bradley Fletcher

Andy Reid did not have those guys and he did not pass them onto Chip. Chip brought those guys in and its on him if they ****ing suck. He was plucking FA scraps from the Ravens, 49ers and Patriots and then you cry when they dont perform and blame Andy, who never coached any of them once last season in Philly. Kind of funny. 75 percent of your defense has been turned over and half the guys are 1st and 2nd round picks just not performing well, what more do you want.[/QUOTE]

[Rausch]

LMAO at the suggestion that 75% turnover in defensive players from one regime to the next was not the primary responsibility of the prior regime. If Chip inherited a stud defense do you think there would be that many players released?

If Chip knew anything about getting solid defensive players from the draft and free agency he wouldn't have the 2nd worst defense in the NFL...

[joeyknish]

If Chip knew anything about getting solid defensive players from the draft and free agency he wouldn't have the 2nd worst defense in the NFL...

Do you really believe all of the parts on the defense could have been assembled in one year?

[Tombstone RJ]

this is gonna be a good game...

[Rausch]

Do you really believe all of the parts on the defense could have been assembled in one year?

All we needed was solid coaching...

[joeyknish]

Fair point. Chip was responsible for bringing in Billy Davis as the defensive coordinator, a questionable move at best, which has contributed to the atrocious play so far.

All we needed was solid coaching...

[Rasputin]

I bet Andy Reid gets a bigger cheer & ovation when they announce him before the game than when they do honor Donivan McNabb at half time.

[joeyknish]

I bet Andy Reid gets a bigger cheer & ovation when they announce him before the game than when they do honor Donivan McNabb at half time.

I hope both are cheered loudly.

[Mav]

Fair point. Chip was responsible for bringing in Billy Davis as the defensive coordinator, a questionable move at best, which has contributed to the atrocious play so far.

HA. All of his coaching hires was questionable. Browns fans are still having fun with the fact that you guys hired Pat Shurmur.

Billy Davis TOO. He sucked in both San Francisco, and Cleveland.

Your problem isn't your talent. Your problem is YOUR coaching. Your entire offseason has been getting that offense going. There is talent on that defense. I bet Bob Sutton, or Vic Fangio could make that defense a top 15 defense.

Bill Davis isn't an attacking style d coordinator, and you guys have PASS RUSHERS, damn good ones in Brandon Graham, and Trent Cole.

Stop looking to blame the past coaches, and start BLAMING THE CURRENT ONES.

I guess with your logic, the Chiefs shouldn't be thanking Bob Sutton, they should be thanking ROMEO CRENNEL....

[Kiimo]

If Chip knew anything about getting solid defensive players from the draft and free agency he wouldn't have the 2nd worst defense in the NFL...

A little early to make this call don't you think?

[Dayze]

dumbass Philly fans in attendance will boo Andy for sure.

[BryanBusby]

I bet Andy Reid gets a bigger cheer & ovation when they announce him before the game than when they do honor Donivan McNabb at half time.

Than they will proceed to pelt him with D cell batteries.

[joeyknish]

HA. All of his coaching hires was questionable. Browns fans are still having fun with the fact that you guys hired Pat Shurmur.

Billy Davis TOO. He sucked in both San Francisco, and Cleveland.

Your problem isn't your talent. Your problem is YOUR coaching. Your entire offseason has been getting that offense going. There is talent on that defense. I bet Bob Sutton, or Vic Fangio could make that defense a top 15 defense.

Bill Davis isn't an attacking style d coordinator, and you guys have PASS RUSHERS, damn good ones in Brandon Graham, and Trent Cole.

Stop looking to blame the past coaches, and start BLAMING THE CURRENT ONES.

I guess with your logic, the Chiefs shouldn't be thanking Bob Sutton, they should be thanking ROMEO CRENNEL....

By your logic, Andy should get no credit for the players that he left on offense. The Eagles have scored more than sixty points this season from great offensive coaching alone? Chip would have scored just as many points with any other offense in the league?

On a more troubling point, did you seriously just suggest that Brandon Graham is a "damn good" pass rusher? What has he done in three years of play that would support that argument in any fashion?!?!

[Halfcan]

I bet Andy Reid gets a bigger cheer & ovation when they announce him before the game than when they do honor Donivan McNabb at half time.

As long as neither is dressed as Santa. lol

[Eyemsougly]

I was an Eagles fan but switched to the Chiefs out of loyalty to Andy and hatred of Chip Kelly.

Chip Kelly himself isn't that bad, but listening to the ridiculous hero worship this guy gets is nauseating. Nobody will dispute that he was a great college coach but being a great college coach does not make him a genius or mean that he is going to turn the league upside down. I'm looking forward to the Chiefs exposing Kelly's fraud offense. The more film the league has on Chip the worse the offense will be.

In Philadelphia, it is just assumed that the Eagles are going to continue to put up 30+ points a game. Even the people in Philly who are predicting a Chiefs victory are expecting the score to be something like 38-35 Chiefs (obviously having never seen Alex Smith play).

I want the Chiefs to rip the wings off this high flying offense and give a blueprint to the NFL for how to stop the Eagles.

For the record, I believe both Andy and McNabb will be cheered by the Philly fans.

[Oxford]

Than they will proceed to pelt him with D cell batteries.

That would be done in Oakland................

[joeyknish]

Why would you have any loyalty to Andy Reid?


I was an Eagles fan but switched to the Chiefs out of loyalty to Andy and hatred of Chip Kelly.

[the Talking Can]

I was an Eagles fan but switched to the Chiefs out of loyalty to Andy and hatred of Chip Kelly.




that's pathetic

[FlaChief58]

1.The Eagles have scored more than sixty points this season from great offensive coaching alone? 2.Chip would have scored just as many points with any other offense in the league?



1. Yes and by running a largely unknown system very fast which keeps defenses confused.

2. No, he made the perfect choice by going to Philly, because the roster fit his system better than any other team available.

Once D coordinators have some time to figure it out and offensive players start dropping like flies because of the pace they are playing, this too shall pass.

[ChiefsCountry]

that's pathetic

Its the same as the idiot 49er fans who have came here.

[FlaChief58]

I was an Eagles fan but switched to the Chiefs out of loyalty to Andy and hatred of Chip Kelly.


:spock:


I'd stop watching football before I became a fan of another team.

[joeyknish]

Also, I am assuming you are not a resident of the greater Philadelphia area, because if you were, you would know that Chip has been getting roasted to a fair degree in the local media outlets for his time management at the end of the Chargers game.



Chip Kelly himself isn't that bad, but listening to the ridiculous hero worship this guy gets is nauseating.

[Fat Elvis]

Not without a major injury to an offensive lineman.

That can be arranged.

[joeyknish]

There are some hilarious posters on this site!

That can be arranged.