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Deberg_1990
09-16-2013, 04:55 PM
KANSAS CITY -- One of the biggest plays of the Dallas Cowboys-Kansas City Chiefs game on Sunday occurred in the fourth quarter.

As the Chiefs were trying to run out the clock late in the fourth quarter, quarterback Alex Smith threw a third down pass toward Donnie Avery. Morris Claiborne reached around Avery and knocked the ball down, but the referees called a pass interference penalty on Claiborne.

The call, with 2:28 remaining, extended the Chiefs' drive and while they eventually punted, it took time off the clock and the Cowboys didn't get the ball again until 16 seconds remained in the game. Dallas trailed, 17-16, when they got the ball back.

"They made a play and got a good call, I guess," Claiborne said of the penalty. "I don't remember it too much. I must have. They said I interfered with him, that was the call. I can't take that back, that's what they saw. I'm always surprised when the throw the flag especially when they come in late like he did and they call it."

Replays showed that defensive tackle Jason Hatcher may have tipped the ball away, which would have allowed Claiborne to touch Avery. But the penalty raised other questions about Claiborne.

Should Claiborne have let Avery catch the ball, seeing it was third and 10, and made the tackle, given the receiver was diving for the ball?

"It ain't how we play," Claiborne said. "When you're out there at corner your not trying to give up on nothing, you want to be aggressive and that was an opportunity I thought to make a play and be aggressive and they just called a PI."

Cowboys coach Jason Garrett and defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin said they needed to see another replay of the call before deciding if it was a good or bad call. There were some close pass interference penalties during the game that could have gone either way. Dez Bryant was flagged for it and he drew a call.

But Avery was confident of the call he got on Claiborne.

"I knew we had it," he said. "It was just pitch and catch. He just held me and we got the call, that was big. (The game) is not over until you see 0:00. We just had to stay tuned in and keep the ball in bounds and we got the win."

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4715025/morris-claiborne-talks-about-the-penalty

DaFace
09-16-2013, 04:56 PM
Meh. Give us back Berry's INT, and they can have that one.

Titty Meat
09-16-2013, 04:56 PM
Clairborne also got dinged by Charles that could explain his lack of judgement.

Dartgod
09-16-2013, 04:58 PM
Clairborne also got dinged by Charles that could explain his lack of judgement.

That was fucking awesome. JC laid the wood on him!

Hammock Parties
09-16-2013, 04:58 PM
Please.

http://i.imgur.com/xDSHNiP.jpg

Also, the ball wasn't tipped. Just took a look and it's 100 percent not touched.

MotherfuckerJones
09-16-2013, 04:59 PM
Please.

http://i.imgur.com/xDSHNiP.jpg

Also, the ball wasn't tipped. Just took a look and it's 100 percent not touched.

At the least it was holding

Brock
09-16-2013, 05:01 PM
Fuck that guy. Berry got called on some bullshit too.

PunkinDrublic
09-16-2013, 05:01 PM
Cowboys fans were crying about that call big time.

Deberg_1990
09-16-2013, 05:03 PM
Cowboys fans were crying about that call big time.

Understandable, it basically sealed the game for the Chiefs.

MrGiggity
09-16-2013, 05:04 PM
He talks like a fucking idiot

007
09-16-2013, 05:04 PM
Cowboys fans were crying about that call big time.

Ignoring the other 2 that went in their favor that shouldn't have been called. LMAO

Molitoth
09-16-2013, 05:05 PM
Please.

http://i.imgur.com/xDSHNiP.jpg

Also, the ball wasn't tipped. Just took a look and it's 100 percent not touched.

Clay delivers.

siberian khatru
09-16-2013, 05:05 PM
Is Tim Ryan still crying about it?

GloryDayz
09-16-2013, 05:08 PM
And they can a go to hell! Start calling at least 55 of holding calls that are committed by O-linemen then come back to this...

D-linemen being held is the #1 issue facing the NFL (and has been for 52 years!!). And QBs being pussies is #2...

GloryDayz
09-16-2013, 05:09 PM
He talks like a fucking idiot

Ummmmmmmm, he is an idiot....

PunkinDrublic
09-16-2013, 05:11 PM
Ignoring the other 2 that went in their favor that shouldn't have been called. LMAO

You're not going to believe this but they didn't have anything to say about that.

Buehler445
09-16-2013, 05:11 PM
Meh. Give us back Berry's INT, and they can have that one doesn't matter.

Fixed.

Bugeater
09-16-2013, 05:16 PM
Him and every cock sucking Cowboy fan can go fist themselves.

Hammock Parties
09-16-2013, 05:16 PM
Him and every cock sucking Cowboy fan can go fist themselves.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/customavatars/avatar6229_176.gif

Saul Good
09-16-2013, 05:18 PM
I sat in the airport surrounded by hundreds of Cowboy fans heading back to Dallas immediately after the game. It was heartbreaking.

lcarus
09-16-2013, 05:19 PM
Lots of Cowboy fans complaining about that AND the offensive PI on Dez Bryant. I personally felt Dez got away with offensive PI on his first 50 yard reception. I say if you think the PI on Dez was a bad call, you have to consider the defensive holding on Berry a bad call too. Fact of the matter is, KC has a legit defense and won the field position battle all day. That's why they won and Dallas lost. There were bad calls on both ends like there are in every damn game.

scho63
09-16-2013, 05:24 PM
The Cowboys offensive line got away with no less than 3-4 flagrant holds and got called for NONE of them.

I don't want to hear one little chirp from the Cowboys. That got away with murder all day.

lcarus
09-16-2013, 05:25 PM
The Cowboys offensive line got away with no less than 3-4 flagrant holds and got called for NONE of them.

I don't want to hear one little chirp from the Cowboys. That got away with murder all day.

I see Hali getting blatantly strangled from behind about 6-10 times a game. That's just what the camera shows too.

DenverChief
09-16-2013, 05:26 PM
Please.

http://i.imgur.com/xDSHNiP.jpg

Also, the ball wasn't tipped. Just took a look and it's 100 percent not touched.

Blow it up?

Send a copy to ESPN

scho63
09-16-2013, 05:27 PM
I see Hali getting blatantly strangled from behind about 6-10 times a game. That's just what the camera shows too.

Poe got spun around from around the waist during a pass rush and no call. Every was screaming for a holding call. There were many others.

Mr. Laz
09-16-2013, 05:29 PM
At the least it was holding

which is an automatic 1st down which seals the game anyway.


the entire state of Texas can blow me

notorious
09-16-2013, 05:30 PM
Scoreboard.

Nickel D
09-16-2013, 05:31 PM
Pleeeease!! When you hear ANYONE bitch about any call going against the Cowchumps, just simply remind them of that 4th quarter pass falling into and hitting both hands of a wide-open Dez Bryant with only green grass and white stripes between him and the end zone...

...and then...

LYFAO!!!

CaliforniaChief
09-16-2013, 05:31 PM
Priceless irony. And Jamaal Charles didn't ding him, he run him the hell over. That was impressive stuff.

GoShox
09-16-2013, 05:32 PM
Cowboys fans and the Fox commentators were crying about that call big time.

Fixed.

Fritz88
09-16-2013, 05:33 PM
Him and every cock sucking Cowboy fan can go fist themselves.

I really dont think it's physically possible.
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Chiefaholic
09-16-2013, 05:45 PM
Please.

http://i.imgur.com/xDSHNiP.jpg

Also, the ball wasn't tipped. Just took a look and it's 100 percent not touched.

Gotta show this to the two Cowboy fans who work for me.

GloryDayz
09-16-2013, 05:47 PM
I sat in the airport surrounded by hundreds of Cowboy fans heading back to Dallas immediately after the game. It was heartbreaking.

Did you lean back and show them what you think?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MdrF28X_mS8/TPKRrLVkFWI/AAAAAAAAGBg/SyxJMtHgdow/s1600/0a0ebb93-0593-4eed-9e81-b7280b31ed46.jpg

loochy
09-16-2013, 05:47 PM
I really dont think it's physically possible.
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It is. I saw it once.

notorious
09-16-2013, 06:05 PM
We will trade this(proper) call for the atrocious call on DJ in 2005.


The game we lost that kept us out of the playoffs and gave the 6th seed to the eventual Super Bowl champs.

Hammock Parties
09-16-2013, 06:15 PM
http://i.imgur.com/qU7FH4x.gif

Deberg_1990
09-16-2013, 06:17 PM
http://i.imgur.com/qU7FH4x.gif

Actually, wasn't that within 5 yards?

saphojunkie
09-16-2013, 06:18 PM
Actually, wasn't that within 5 yards?

Once the ball is in the air, that doesn't matter.

Hammock Parties
09-16-2013, 06:21 PM
Looks to me like the CB pulls him with his right hand and then drapes his left arm over his shoulders as the ball is arriving.

That's way too much contact to not be considered a penalty.

siberian khatru
09-16-2013, 06:21 PM
Still doesn't make up for Drew Pearson pushing off against the Vikes in the 1975 playoff game.

petegz28
09-16-2013, 06:29 PM
Actually, wasn't that within 5 yards?

Once the ball is in the air it doesn't matter

WhawhaWhat
09-16-2013, 06:30 PM
Once the ball is in the air it doesn't matter

Actually, wasn't that within 5 yards?

Deberg_1990
09-16-2013, 06:32 PM
Actually, wasn't that within 5 yards?

Once the ball is in the air it doesn't matter

Hammock Parties
09-16-2013, 06:34 PM
WTF IS GOING ON

RealSNR
09-16-2013, 06:36 PM
Once the air is in the ball it doesn't matter

L.A. Chieffan
09-16-2013, 06:36 PM
Bad calls on both sides. Refs sucked yesterday

ThaVirus
09-16-2013, 06:41 PM
Something about that play there: why wasn't it designed for Bowe?

RealSNR
09-16-2013, 06:44 PM
Something about that play there: why wasn't it designed for Bowe?

Welcome to the world of Alex Smith.

You can have the 3rd highest paid WR in all of football on your team, and he'll feel much safer tossing it to Jackass McFuckington the backup FB/TE/WR.

I can't fault him for it until it starts to lose us games.

Deberg_1990
09-16-2013, 06:45 PM
Once the air is in my balls, it doesn't matter.......





Wait, whut?

Deberg_1990
09-16-2013, 06:49 PM
Welcome to the world of Alex Smith.

You can have the 3rd highest paid WR in all of football on your team, and he'll feel much safer tossing it to Jackass Mc****ington the backup FB/TE/WR.

I can't fault him for it until it starts to lose us games.

Someone showed a stat the other day that said the most catches by a WR on a Reid team ever was TO with like 70 something.......point is, Reid likes his QBs to spread it around.

TLO
09-16-2013, 06:51 PM
LMAO

suzzer99
09-16-2013, 07:00 PM
http://i.imgur.com/qU7FH4x.gif

I think the first shirt grab about a second in is the one that got him nailed. The grab started with initial contact and lasted several steps, yanking the jersey in a very visible way - and the ref is right behind him with a perfect view. Also it definitely affected the play by flinging Avery downfield while giving Claiborne momentum towards the ball.

I guarantee you the refs were not looking to throw a flag in that gigantic spot and only would do so with clear, indisputable evidence.

Mr. Laz
09-16-2013, 07:46 PM
Actually, wasn't that within 5 yards?

doesn't matter if the defender pulls the wr with that back arm


looks like it was holding AND then pass interference, could have called both

GloryDayz
09-16-2013, 08:01 PM
http://i.imgur.com/qU7FH4x.gif

Thanks, now I'm sure they should be fined $250K for raping out defenseless player!

petegz28
09-16-2013, 08:03 PM
I think the first shirt grab about a second in is the one that got him nailed. The grab started with initial contact and lasted several steps, yanking the jersey in a very visible way - and the ref is right behind him with a perfect view. Also it definitely affected the play by flinging Avery downfield while giving Claiborne momentum towards the ball.

I guarantee you the refs were not looking to throw a flag in that gigantic spot and only would do so with clear, indisputable evidence.

the announcers were convinced it had no "material" effect on the play

GloryDayz
09-16-2013, 08:08 PM
the announcers were convinced it had no "material" effect on the play

Yeah, and "they" were well lubed too...

petegz28
09-16-2013, 08:10 PM
Yeah, and "they" were well lubed too...

Probably get a fair shake on the NFL Channel but then we play the Giants. So with 3 straight games against the teams that are required to be on at least 1 prime time game a week, any calls that go our way will be poo-poo'd

TimBone
09-16-2013, 08:12 PM
which is an automatic 1st down which seals the game anyway.


the entire state of Texas can blow me

I will not.

ViperVisor
09-16-2013, 08:23 PM
It looked worse in realtime than it was. Only a light infraction.

The optical illusion is Avery was pulled down with his left arm as he goes to swat the pass with his right hand.

But the Refs seems to be helping out DBs some this year with an emphasis on calling the WR push-offs.

Rain Man
09-16-2013, 08:55 PM
If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

RealSNR
09-16-2013, 09:09 PM
Probably get a fair shake on the NFL Channel but then we play the Giants. So with 3 straight games against the teams that are required to be on at least 1 prime time game a week, any calls that go our way will be poo-poo'd

Going 3-0 against them would be oh so sweet.

Leaves only the Redskins left for the rape of the NFC

keg in kc
09-16-2013, 09:11 PM
I guarantee you the refs were not looking to throw a flag in that gigantic spot and only would do so with clear, indisputable evidence.I believe you're absolutely correct.

I would add that if they did intend to throw a flag at such a key juncture, it would certainly not be one that hurts "America's Team".

Hammock Parties
09-16-2013, 09:16 PM
Going 3-0 against them would be oh so sweet.

Leaves only the Redskins left for the rape of the NFC

I honestly don't think RGIII wants none of this.

http://bleachermonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Hali_Houston-300x173.jpg

Also, one thing I will say for Alex, his mobility allows us to simulate mobile QBs well in practice.

We will be prepared for the read option bullshit.

PunkinDrublic
09-16-2013, 09:17 PM
BTW I know he's been hurt but Claiborn has yet to live up to his worth as a first rounder. Anybody have that gif of JC knocking him back on that run?

Rain Man
09-16-2013, 09:21 PM
BTW I know he's been hurt but Claiborn has yet to live up to his worth as a first rounder. Anybody have that gif of JC knocking him back on that run?

That was awesome. JC buried him like Khrushchev at Disneyland.

jjjayb
09-16-2013, 09:27 PM
The only reason this call is a story is because the announcers on tv made it a story. They kept showing a view that was after the Pass interference and saying there was nothing there. After several minutes of this, they came back from a commercial and showed the full play where you could see the PI then changed their minds and said it should have been called. However, by then it was too late. All the cowboys fans had heard for several minutes it was a bad call, based on not seeing the whole play. Either way, cowboys and their fans can eat a dick.

TimeForWasp
09-16-2013, 09:28 PM
Once an air ball is in the air, it doesn't matter

Xanathol
09-16-2013, 11:36 PM
http://i.imgur.com/qU7FH4x.gif

Nice gif - clearly shows it is not interference. F the cowgirls, but yeah, got away with one there; it happens.

Also, on JC's trucking of Mo, he hit right into Mo's shoulder, the one that was separated. That is why Mo crumbled the way he did.

Hammock Parties
09-16-2013, 11:43 PM
You cannot pull a WRs jersey, altering his momentum, and then drape your arm over his shoulders with the ball in the air.

That is textbook PI.

Nightfyre
09-17-2013, 12:02 AM
If you drape your outside arm over the receiver, you will get flagged. It's damn near automatic.

|Zach|
09-17-2013, 12:09 AM
One of those tough calls...looks more like good defense than interference but that is the game.

Sorter
09-17-2013, 12:10 AM
If you drape your outside arm over the receiver, you will get flagged. It's damn near automatic.

This is why you teach peeples to use the inside arm to pull down at the numbers.


I mean, nobody would ever intentionally do something like that.

BryanBusby
09-17-2013, 12:12 AM
One of those tough calls...looks more like good defense than interference but that is the game.

He was tugging at Avery's jersey. It was DPI.

Couldn't really figure out why the fuck they flagged it from that view, but you could see a hold when they did the replay from a different camera.

|Zach|
09-17-2013, 12:49 AM
He was tugging at Avery's jersey. It was DPI.

Couldn't really figure out why the **** they flagged it from that view, but you could see a hold when they did the replay from a different camera.

Not sold on that. I wouldn't be complaining that much if it had been a non call. It is one of those fringe calls IMO...I don't think calling the PI was really a "bad" call.

ThaVirus
09-17-2013, 12:56 AM
Can we get the Berry INT gif'd up for comparison?

I definitely felt like we got away with that one but my feed was out during the Berry play that everyone seems to agree was horseshit.

Discuss Thrower
09-17-2013, 02:46 AM
Once the air is in my balls, it doesn't matter.......





Wait, whut?

Aaron Crow only has two pitches

InChiefsHeaven
09-17-2013, 06:02 AM
I just thought it was nice that a call that really had an affect on the game finally went our way...can't remember the last time that seemed to happen.

Red Gorilla
09-17-2013, 06:30 AM
I don't think his or Berry's should have been called. However, I appreciate that the refs called it both ways. Both were nit picky.

mr. tegu
09-17-2013, 06:41 AM
BTW I know he's been hurt but Claiborn has yet to live up to his worth as a first rounder. Anybody have that gif of JC knocking him back on that run?

Can we get the Berry INT gif'd up for comparison?

I definitely felt like we got away with that one but my feed was out during the Berry play that everyone seems to agree was horseshit.

We need gifs!

petegz28
09-17-2013, 07:13 AM
I don't think his or Berry's should have been called. However, I appreciate that the refs called it both ways. Both were nit picky.

Not even close. The one on Avery was obvious, the one on Berry was non-existent. The one on Bryant earlier was a BS call.

Lzen
09-17-2013, 07:23 AM
Actually, wasn't that within 5 yards?

Looks like it occured 5.5-6 yards beyond the LOS and the ball was already in the air.

Mike in SW-MO
09-17-2013, 08:09 AM
Can we get the Berry INT gif'd up for comparison?

I definitely felt like we got away with that one but my feed was out during the Berry play that everyone seems to agree was horseshit.

I second that motion. I'd also like to see the OPI on Dez as well.

AussieChiefsFan
09-17-2013, 08:14 AM
I honestly don't think RGIII wants none of this.

http://bleachermonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Hali_Houston-300x173.jpg

Also, one thing I will say for Alex, his mobility allows us to simulate mobile QBs well in practice.

We will be prepared for the read option bullshit.I like the way you think.

ThaVirus
09-17-2013, 08:41 AM
I second that motion. I'd also like to see the OPI on Dez as well.

Oh yeah. That OPI on Dez was horseshit. At least it seemed to be to me on the sketchy feed I was watching..