Cleveland Browns

[dtrain]

So if they are having a fire sale what would you offer our first for Joe Thomas and move Fisher to a guard?

[TribalElder]

Move fisher to the practice squad ROFL

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Die

[ClevelandBronco]

Waiting. Watching...

[dtrain]

Move fisher to the practice squad ROFL
ROFL

[CaliforniaChief]

I think I want to keep the draft picks we have left.

[threebag]

Ya what the hell

[Bugeater]

I would be willing to offer your mom.

[tredadda]

So if they are having a fire sale what would you offer our first for Joe Thomas and move Fisher to a guard?

And ummmmm do what with Albert?

[KChiefs1]

So if they are having a fire sale what would you offer our first for Joe Thomas and move Fisher to a guard?

I'm worried the Broncos might make a deal for Thomas.

[bigjosh]

we could give them 2 second rounders for weeden. he is a 30 year old back up.....

[dtrain]

I would be willing to offer your mom.
Hold on a sec your mom isn't finished on deez nuts yet!

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

I'm worried the Broncos might make an under the table deal for Thomas.

yes

[dtrain]

And ummmmm do what with Albert?
I was thinking Thomas play right tackle.

[a pp roach]

no! don't trade next year's OL pick!

[Chiefspants]

ANOTHER FIRST FOR A TACKLE?!

LOLOLOL.

[tk13]

Move both Albert and Fisher to guard. Try to trade a 3rd & 4th, and a future 1st for Thomas, draft a LT with #1 pick next year. Dominate.

[tredadda]

Move both Albert and Fisher to guard. Try to trade a 3rd & 4th, and a future 1st for Thomas, draft a LT with #1 pick next year. Dominate.

ROFL Been a while since I have heard this suggestion.

[MoreLemonPledge]

I'd make an offer for Josh Gordon. He's a special talent who has been hampered by awful QB play. I know he's one step away from a lengthy suspension, but Reid has proven that he values talent over character.

[vailpass]

I'd make an offer for Josh Gordon. He's a special talent who has been hampered by awful QB play. I know he's one step away from a lengthy suspension, but Reid has proven that he values talent over character.

Vick says thank you.

[dtrain]

I'd make an offer for Josh Gordon. He's a special talent who has been hampered by awful QB play. I know he's one step away from a lengthy suspension, but Reid has proven that he values talent over character.
He is on their roster but, not listed on the depth chart.

[vailpass]

I'm worried the Broncos might make a deal for Thomas.

There's an idea...I don't know that they think they need him though.

[MotherfuckerJones]

I'm worried the Broncos might make a deal for Thomas.

Not with Cladys new deal

[MotherfuckerJones]

So if they are having a fire sale what would you offer our first for Joe Thomas and move Fisher to a guard?

I'd offer fisher and a third :)

[vailpass]

Not with Cladys new deal

Good point. But they are in full out win now mode and if Elway thinks they need him Bowlen will back him if cap space is there. Imho I don't think Elway will want it.

[Hammock Parties]

Joe Thomas, Branden Albert and Eric Fisher! Finally we can have three FIRST ROUND OTs on our line! CHAMPIONSHIP.

[HoneyBadger]

With ideas like this, how are you not a GM for some team yet?

[vailpass]

With ideas like this, how are you not a GM for some team yet?

Dude. Don't you know we are ALL gm's here?

[BossChief]

Id rather trade for Alex Mack.

Move Hudson to LG and let's roll.

[KevB]

I'd make an offer for Josh Gordon. He's a special talent who has been hampered by awful QB play. I know he's one step away from a lengthy suspension, but Reid has proven that he values talent over character.

Per Schefter :
Cleveland fielding offers for and open to trading WRs Josh Gordon and Greg Little. At least one team has made a quality offer for Gordon.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Id rather trade for Alex Mack.

Move Hudson to LG and let's roll.

There's something worth watching. Would be nice to have a good center

[O.city]

Id rather trade for Alex Mack.

Move Hudson to LG and let's roll.

Hudson has actually been much improved at c this year, but if shed them our 1 and 4 for Haden and Gordon

[MotherfuckerJones]

Dude. Don't you know we are ALL gm's here?

Could we honestly do any worse than Millen and Pioli

[Direckshun]

I would consider trading for several Browns players.

Unfortunately, we can't and shouldn't.

We're already down 1 major pick this year 'cause of Alex Smith.

I wouldn't trade a single high pick until like 2016 at the soonest. We gotta keep bringing on young talent.

[MotherfuckerJones]

I would consider trading for several Browns players.

Unfortunately, we can't and shouldn't.

We're already down 1 major pick this year 'cause of Alex Smith.

I wouldn't trade a single high pick until like 2016 at the soonest. We gotta keep bringing on young talent.

Alex Mack is only 27 and Gordon is 22

[vailpass]

Could we honestly do any worse than Millen and Pioli

Point well taken.

[chiefzilla1501]

I would consider trading for several Browns players.

Unfortunately, we can't and shouldn't.

We're already down 1 major pick this year 'cause of Alex Smith.

I wouldn't trade a single high pick until like 2016 at the soonest. We gotta keep bringing on young talent.

This.

Our cap isn't going to look pretty. We need to bring young, cheap talent, not second contract guys. I'd rather give Justin Houston more money than to spread it around to other average players.

[Direckshun]

Alex Mack is only 27 and Gordon is 22

Don't care.

We need to keep investing at passrushers, DL, QB, and WR.

I will say that I'd entertain Gordon a bit. But I'd rather just draft one high.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Point well taken.

Honestly, I don't think we coulda been any worse. ROFL

[O.city]

Iirc, Gordon was a supplemental draft pick and is 22.

Apparently they want him gone real bad, so I'd offer a 6 rounder and see what happens

[MotherfuckerJones]

@caplannfl: On #Browns WR Josh Gordon, he's been on the trade block for several weeks, source said. Banner wants him out, very clear, source said.


And yes he's only 22

[KevB]

Iirc, Gordon was a supplemental draft pick and is 22.

Apparently they want him gone real bad, so I'd offer a 6 rounder and see what happens

I think it would take more than that, but with his off the field issues who knows. And if they're willing to trade his talent for a 6th, you have to question whether we'd want to even have him on the team.

[milkman]

Iirc, Gordon was a supplemental draft pick and is 22.

Apparently they want him gone real bad, so I'd offer a 6 rounder and see what happens

Not sure I'd offer anything for a guy whose primary attribute is stretching the defense when I have a QB who will not utilize him.

He would, however, upgrade the returner position, so he could be worth a late round flyer.

[BlackHelicopters]

No. RT are too valuable.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Write up from rotoworld

Totally not tanking. Right. It's unlikely the Browns could get much in return for either player. Gordon is one misstep away from getting a one-year suspension, while Little can't catch the football. However, both players have loads of talent. Gordon could be one of the best receivers in the league if he really wanted to. It wouldn't be a shock if a team took a gamble on him ahead of October's trade deadline. Gordon will make his season debut today against Minnesota. Sep 22 - 11:01 AM

[milkman]

Id rather trade for Alex Mack.

Move Hudson to LG and let's roll.

Far and away the best idea in this thread.

[the Talking Can]

Appearing on Sunday NFL Countdown, ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Browns plan to pursue Texans free-agent-to-be Ben Tate in the offseason.
Tate is going to get paid by someone. After trading Trent Richardson away earlier this week, the Browns' running back of the future isn't on the roster. Willis McGahee is just a 2013 stop-gap, while Bobby Rainey and Chris Ogbonnaya are pure backups. Tate is averaging 8.2 YPC on 18 attempts this season. The Texans may not let him get away with Arian Foster showing signs of decline. Sep 22 - 11:07 AM

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5742

[the Talking Can]

I would consider trading for several Browns players.

Unfortunately, we can't and shouldn't.

We're already down 1 major pick this year 'cause of Alex Smith.

I wouldn't trade a single high pick until like 2016 at the soonest. We gotta keep bringing on young talent.

i wouldn't trade anything higher than a 4th...

[the Talking Can]

Iirc, Gordon was a supplemental draft pick and is 22.

Apparently they want him gone real bad, so I'd offer a 6 rounder and see what happens


yeah, if it really were a 6th you'd have to do it...

[milkman]

i wouldn't trade anything higher than a 4th...

The Chiefs can't even offer a 2nd or 3rd round pick at this point.

Until they know for certain what they have to give up for Alex Smith, they are handcuffed.

[chiefzilla1501]

Far and away the best idea in this thread.

Doesn't it worry you that he's up for a second contract in 2014? He's probably going to command about $5-6M per year at a time when we're tight on cap dollars and will have to figure out how to replace or re-sign Albert and sign Justin Houston to what will be an enormous long-term deal. Not to mention Asamoah and Schwartz are both up for contract next year too.

[the Talking Can]

The Chiefs can't even offer a 2nd or 3rd round pick at this point.

Until they know for certain what they have to give up for Alex Smith, they are handcuffed.

i agree...and as mentioned, we have serious cap issues


but if some offensive talent is sitting there for pennies on the dollar, you have to at least see if you can make it work

[milkman]

Doesn't it worry you that he's up for a second contract in 2014? He's probably going to command about $5-6M per year at a time when we're tight on cap dollars and will have to figure out how to replace or re-sign Albert and sign Justin Houston to what will be an enormous long-term deal. Not to mention Asamoah and Schwartz are both up for contract next year too.

Not in the least.

Good organizations figure out ways to get things done.

[mcaj22]

what happens if the Texans franchise tag Ben Tate

there goes your stupid plan Cleveland lol

[notorious]

JFC

The Browns are the Royals.

[FloridaMan88]

what happens if the Texans franchise tag Ben Tate

there goes your stupid plan Cleveland lol

No kidding.

Brilliant strategy on Cleveland's part to already telegraph their plans for the 2014 offseason.

Their GM Mike Lombardi must still think he works for the NFL Network and is getting paid to be a blowhard.

[mcaj22]

No kidding.

Brilliant strategy on Cleveland's part to already telegraph their plans for the 2014 offseason.

Their GM Mike Lombardi must still think he works for the NFL Network and is getting paid to be a blowhard.

Lombardi is Pioli's buddy from that stupid 95 Browns tree lol

explains why they are making the worst moves in the NFL currently.

Oh and they have Joe Banner. Andy Reid ****ing hates Banner lol. I dont know how these guys that fail with other teams continue to be employed/get jobs with others. It amazes me.

[Titty Meat]

I like Gordon but can he play slot? Avery has played well he's earned the #2 spot. At this point I think the Chiefs should standpat unless they get a ridiculously good offer.

[BossChief]

I don't think we need Gordon.

[O.city]

Gordon has the talent to be the best wr on the team and he's 22. I wouldn't give up a lot because of the off the field stuff but a late pick? Sure

[patteeu]

Why would the Browns even consider trading Thomas? They're going into a hardcore rebuild, not going out of business.

[mcaj22]

I don't think we need Gordon.

Gordon also offers a SECURE kick/punt returner unlike the uneasy pit you get in your stomach wondering if McMidget or Knile Davis are going to muff a fucking catch or fumble on the first the hit of a return

[MotherfuckerJones]

@SaveOurChiefs: Browns are serious about trading their wideouts and Chiefs have inquired about Greg Little per a source of mine here in Vegas.

[chiefzilla1501]

Why would the Browns even consider trading Thomas? They're going into a hardcore rebuild, not going out of business.

Banner used to be a really strong leader with Philly. Toward the end of the run, he built a reputation for being a complete dick. One of the reasons he and Reid didn't get along. I think they're doing this to put their players on notice that nobody's safe.

[rico]

My God this team is consistently a mess. Whenever I see that big, ugly, stupid orange helmet of theirs, the word, "failure," immediately comes to my mind.

My wife is a Steelers fan who lived near Cleveland for a couple years (2006-2008). She said the Steelers fans are pretty cocky in that area (and there are a lot in that area). She has described a ton of interesting/funny Steelers fans vs. Browns fans interactions. Haha, the stories just sound so ridiculous to me...just with how freaking different they are in terms of their team's history combined with the fact that they are rivals and talk mad shit back and forth to each other. The "touched by God" fanbase vs. the "snake bit on a pre-existing snake bite" fanbase.... I mean, when they get into football arguments, what could the Browns fans possibly have to come at the Steelers fans with??? I dunno, it cracks me up when she talks about that Steelers vs. Browns shit...that is a funny rivalry.

[chiefzilla1501]

@SaveOurChiefs: Browns are serious about trading their wideouts and Chiefs have inquired about Greg Little per a source of mine here in Vegas.

Ugh. Not a fan of this. His hands have completely sucked in Cleveland and this becomes kind of a kiss of death to any hope that the Chiefs might open up their offense. With Bowe and Little with McCluster and even Hemmingway in the slot, that is a lineup that completely fails to stretch the field. I get that Smith's our QB, but I'd rather build for our ideal QB rather than build around the limitations of our current guy. I'd much rather Gordon than Little, though I could do without either.

[rico]

Why would the Browns even consider trading Thomas? They're going into a hardcore rebuild, not going out of business.

It's "mind-bottling." :) That franchise seriously is just so freaking weird.

[patteeu]

Banner used to be a really strong leader with Philly. Toward the end of the run, he built a reputation for being a complete dick. One of the reasons he and Reid didn't get along. I think they're doing this to put their players on notice that nobody's safe.

Getting rid of Thomas (or Haden) would certainly send that message, but he can't be that stupid.

[Sure-Oz]

Gotta make an offer for Josh Gordon instead of Little.

[the Talking Can]

@SaveOurChiefs: Browns are serious about trading their wideouts and Chiefs have inquired about Greg Little per a source of mine here in Vegas.

i don't know what to think about little...

[patteeu]

@SaveOurChiefs: Browns are serious about trading their wideouts and Chiefs have inquired about Greg Little per a source of mine here in Vegas.

With his size, if Greg Little can block, he'd be a great addition for this version of the Chiefs, IMO.

[Direckshun]

Honestly, if the Chiefs can get either receiver for a song, they should check it out.

Having either Gordon or Little as a third or fourth receiver would make our team better.

Bowe
Avery
Gordon/Little
McCluster
Hemingway
Jenkins

Dorsey and Reid are legitimately trying to make this team better.

[Direckshun]

i don't know what to think about little...

Skillset wise, he is a smaller Jon Baldwin who can actually run routes.

His drops have been a key issue for him, as they were for Avery. It's widely believed it is a concentration thing, though, not an ability thing.

[Sure-Oz]

Little and Gordon both have low values, have to take advantage of that right now.

[chiefzilla1501]

Honestly, if the Chiefs can get either receiver for a song, they should check it out.

Having either Gordon or Little as a third or fourth receiver would make our team better.

Bowe
Avery
Gordon/Little
McCluster
Hemingway
Jenkins

Dorsey and Reid are legitimately trying to make this team better.

If they add Little, I think Hemingway is out. And I don't like that one bit. Hemingway has terrific hands. Little's hands have been really suspect.

[the Talking Can]

Skillset wise, he is a smaller Jon Baldwin who can actually run routes.

His drops have been a key issue for him, as they were for Avery. It's widely believed it is a concentration thing, though, not an ability thing.

so is he a deep threat? speedster?

his numbers for his first two years are decent, i'd give a 5th but bet they want more....

[chiefzilla1501]

so is he a deep threat? speedster?

his numbers for his first two years are decent, i'd give a 5th but bet they want more....

No, he is more of a Dwayne Bowe receiver. I think he ran a 4.5 on his 40 and that was better than expected. He's a big guy.

[Urc Burry]

Josh Gordon is definitely the one you want outside of his legal troubles. That guy is the complete package

[the Talking Can]

If they add Little, I think Hemingway is out. And I don't like that one bit. Hemingway has terrific hands. Little's hands have been really suspect.

i'd hope they give up on jenkins, but you're probably right...

[Direckshun]

If they add Little, I think Hemingway is out. And I don't like that one bit. Hemingway has terrific hands. Little's hands have been really suspect.

Teams often carry 6 receivers.

We currently have 4 tight ends. That's where your casualty will be.

[Direckshun]

so is he a deep threat? speedster?

his numbers for his first two years are decent, i'd give a 5th but bet they want more....

No, he is more of a Dwayne Bowe receiver. I think he ran a 4.5 on his 40 and that was better than expected. He's a big guy.

Yup.

[MotherfuckerJones]

No way Hemingway is out, Hall would be out.

[mcaj22]

yea Josh Gordon is far and away the best offensive skill player they have left besides the TE

[the Talking Can]

little averaged about 55 catches and 650 yards in his first two years, on a bad team...


even with hands issues, that's not nothing...if we could replace the worthless midget with actual production for cheap, sure

[O.city]

Add Gordon or little, cut dexter


Profit

[mcaj22]

does Greg Little return kicks? has he?


whichever one can return kicks we should get

[jspchief]

Why would the Browns move Thomas?

And fuck no to their receivers. Bad hands and discipline issues. These guys are the product of being the best of the bums on a team desperately trying to make a Wheeden passing game happen.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Gordon 1 rush 22 yds, 2 rec 77 yds TD

[Titty Meat]

little averaged about 55 catches and 650 yards in his first two years, on a bad team...


even with hands issues, that's not nothing...if we could replace the worthless midget with actual production for cheap, sure

Hemmingway wouldn't cost anything and is just as good.

If we were going to trade for a Brown I'd make a move for Jordan Cameron. The most underrated tight end in the league.

[jspchief]

Gordon 1 rush 22 yds, 2 rec 77 yds TD

Against the Vikings...

[Mav]

Add Gordon or little, cut dexter


Profit

Give us your first this year, and next year, and you can have Gordon. Little, you can have for a used alex smith jock strap. hes worthless.

[Mav]

Why would the Browns move Thomas?

And **** no to their receivers. Bad hands and discipline issues. These guys are the product of being the best of the bums on a team desperately trying to make a Wheeden passing game happen.

Josh Gordon would be the most TALENTED receiver on the Chiefs right now.

[the Talking Can]

Hemmingway wouldn't cost anything and is just as good.

If we were going to trade for a Brown I'd make a move for Jordan Cameron. The most underrated tight end in the league.

love cameron, but they know how good he is, he isn't going anywhere

[Urc Burry]

Against the Vikings...

And with Brian Hoyer at QB.. What's your point? Gordon is legit

[the Talking Can]

david wilson td run

flashes the speed

[the Talking Can]

ROFL

manning sacked 6 times in first half

[jspchief]

Josh Gordon would be the most TALENTED receiver on the Chiefs right now.

Assuming he wasn't suspended, he'd still be asking Bowe for pointers.

[Saccopoo]

ROFL

manning sacked 6 times in first half

Yeah, that Giants offensive line is getting worked.

[Mav]

I'm worried the Broncos might make a deal for Thomas.
They would have to overly rape themselves.
I was thinking Thomas play right tackle.
Yeah. Stop talking. Joe Thomas is the BEST LT IN FOOTBALL PERIOD. Stop drinking.
He is on their roster but, not listed on the depth chart.
He was suspended the first two weeks. Codeine.
And with Brian Hoyer at QB.. What's your point? Gordon is legit

Hoyer has looked amazing so far. So much better than suck face weeden has ever looked.

[displacedinMN]

tied with Minny now just faked a punt for a big First down

[Mav]

Assuming he wasn't suspended, he'd still be asking Bowe for pointers.

Hes still more talented than Bowe. Bowe is smarter. But, josh Gordon is 22 years old, hes absolute plutonium.

[jspchief]

And with Brian Hoyer at QB.. What's your point? Gordon is legitimately a career fuckup.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Hes still more talented than Bowe. Bowe is smarter. But, josh Gordon is 22 years old, hes absolute plutonium.

Ya youre not getting a first for Gordon.

[Urc Burry]

.

Lol so is Von Miller a career fuckup? He's 22 and has made mistakes. But his ceiling is through the roof and he is a perfect compliment to Bowe

[Mav]

Ya youre not getting a first for Gordon.

Then why trade him? That's my point.......Oh, and if they got a first for T Rich, who has shown no production essentially, they aren't going to sell Gordon for less. Although with the ability hes showing today, they aren't going to trade him.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Then why trade him? That's my point.......Oh, and if they got a first for T Rich, who has shown no production essentially, they aren't going to sell Gordon for less. Although with the ability hes showing today, they aren't going to trade him.

Rich doesn't have the off field baggage

[Urc Burry]

Then why trade him? That's my point.......Oh, and if they got a first for T Rich, who has shown no production essentially, they aren't going to sell Gordon for less. Although with the ability hes showing today, they aren't going to trade him.

No I don't think they trade him.. But to your other point Trent was the third overall pick with no baggage

[jspchief]

Hes still more talented than Bowe. Bowe is smarter. But, josh Gordon is 22 years old, hes absolute plutonium.
Get back to me when he has a better stat line than "he's only 22"






Lol so is Von Miller a career fuckup? He's 22 and has made mistakes. But his ceiling is through the roof and he is a perfect compliment to Bowe
Yes Miller is a career fuckup. Is this even in question?

The difference is Miller has performed in the NFL.

[Mav]

Rich doesn't have the off field baggage

Incorrect. He was involved in a domestic dispute last year, and it was reported this week that he was routinely stand offish with other teammates, showed up late for Rehab treatments, and wasn't considered to be a buy in team player....

[Mav]

Get back to me when he has a better stat line than "he's only 22"







Yes Miller is a career ****up. Is this even in question?

The difference is Miller has performed in the NFL.

He averaged over 40 yards per catch on 5 td catches last year. With a terrible qb, and head coach.

[jspchief]

He averaged over 40 yards per catch on 5 td catches last year. With a terrible qb, and head coach.

Good point. He didn't have the luxuries that Bowe has had.

[Mav]

Good point. He didn't have the luxuries that Bowe has had.

Didn't say that. Josh Gordon is better athletically by a mile over Bowe. By the way. Gordon has over 100 yards receiving......
















IN THE FIRST HALF.

[Urc Burry]

Get back to me when he has a better stat line than "he's only 22"







Yes Miller is a career ****up. Is this even in question?

The difference is Miller has performed in the NFL.

Uhhh he performed well as a rookie with a shitty QB, and getting a late start after being taken in the supp draft. It's not like the browns would be asking a first and a third or so like a WR his caliber would take without the baggage.

[displacedinMN]

Cle just faked FG for a touchdown.

[jspchief]

Cleveland must be trading him because they are already set at WR.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Didn't say that. Josh Gordon is better athletically by a mile over Bowe. By the way. Gordon has over 100 yards receiving......




IN THE FIRST HALF.

Calm down man. Bowe had 15 TDs in '10. He's been a 1,000 yd WR with no QB

[O.city]

Then why trade him? That's my point.......Oh, and if they got a first for T Rich, who has shown no production essentially, they aren't going to sell Gordon for less. Although with the ability hes showing today, they aren't going to trade him.

Because your front office doesn't believe and/or want him?

It was tweeted today that the GM basically doesn't want him on the team.

[jspchief]

Because your front office doesn't believe and/or want him?

It was tweeted today that the GM basically doesn't want him on the team.

Unpossible. Josh Gordon is Megatron in orange...

[O.city]

Unpossible. Josh Gordon is Megatron in orange...

Oh he's super talented, and he'd be the most "talented" wr we have outside of Bowe, but when a front office wants to get rid of said talent, theres something going on there.

[Urc Burry]

Unpossible. Josh Gordon is Megatron in orange...

ROFL No one has said that. But if you don't think he's legit your a fool

[Mav]

Because your front office doesn't believe and/or want him?

It was tweeted today that the GM basically doesn't want him on the team.
Oh, I completely agree. Lombardi wants to get rid of anything that he didn't have a hand in getting. that's why Hoyer Is starting and not Jason Campbell. I completely agree with you. Doesn't make it smart to create a huge hole that has little risk, and almost no reward.
Unpossible. Josh Gordon is Megatron in orange...

Your Homer is showing........

[tredadda]

Hes still more talented than Bowe. Bowe is smarter. But, josh Gordon is 22 years old, hes absolute plutonium.

Damn, are you this guy's agent or something?

[Mav]

Damn, are you this guy's agent or something?

Or a browns fan, homering on one of the only browns players that I have been able to be excited bout in 20 years?

[Chiefshrink]

Incorrect. He was involved in a domestic dispute last year, and it was reported this week that he was routinely stand offish with other teammates, showed up late for Rehab treatments, and wasn't considered to be a buy in team player....

You know I get the whole revamping the Browns for the future fire sale thing and acquiring draft picks BUT I really believe you hit on the real reason they let this kid go because when you look at the Browns play today it's is though they were 'born again' and even with Hoyer at QB. Richardson was not only not performing like a 1st rd RB pick but it appears this kid is a locker room cancer. Weeden never sees the field again. Hoyer appears to be that gem in the rough.

[Mav]

You know I get the whole revamping the Browns for the future fire sale thing and acquiring draft picks BUT I really believe you hit on the real reason they let this kid go because when you look at the Browns play today it's is though they were 'born again' and even with Hoyer at QB. Richardson was not only not performing like a 1st rd RB pick but it appears this kid is a locker room cancer. Weeden never sees the field again. Hoyer appears to be that gem in the rough.

Hope so. I do feel that Hoyer has a special quality to him, but, I also see a very Kelly Holcomb esque quality that bothers me. No doubt that the team seamed looser today. Im not sure if that had as much to do with Hoyer, Trich being gone, or having JOSH GORDON. But, Josh showed today just how bad the other receivers on Cleveland are. Good post by you.

[Ghost of Maslowski]

looks like anyone still worried about Thomas to Denver can rest easy.

Joe Thomas not on Cleveland Browns trading block (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000247966/article/joe-thomas-not-on-cleveland-browns-trading-block)

[Mav]

looks like anyone still worried about Thomas to Denver can rest easy.

Joe Thomas not on Cleveland Browns trading block (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000247966/article/joe-thomas-not-on-cleveland-browns-trading-block)

yeah, I guess joe banner said yesterday that no more trades would happen. If they beat Cinci at home next week, I will feel safe.

[the Talking Can]

Bowe's rookie year:

70 catches
995 yards
5tds


Gordon's rookie year:

50 catches
805 yards
5tds


Bowe's second year:

86 catches
1066 yards
7tds

Gordon's second year:

?
?
?

[Mav]

Bowe's rookie year:

70 catches
995 yards
5tds


Gordon's rookie year:

50 catches
805 yards
5tds


Bowe's second year:

86 catches
1066 yards
7tds

Gordon's second year:

?
?
?

pretty close in their rookie years. I guess we will see. I think Gordon will break 1000 easy.

[Bewbies]

https://twitter.com/johntelich8/status/381949344737288192


@JohnTelich8: Hearing Skins and Chiefs interested in Little and Gordon #nfl #browns

[chiefzilla1501]

My God this team is consistently a mess. Whenever I see that big, ugly, stupid orange helmet of theirs, the word, "failure," immediately comes to my mind.

My wife is a Steelers fan who lived near Cleveland for a couple years (2006-2008). She said the Steelers fans are pretty cocky in that area (and there are a lot in that area). She has described a ton of interesting/funny Steelers fans vs. Browns fans interactions. Haha, the stories just sound so ridiculous to me...just with how freaking different they are in terms of their team's history combined with the fact that they are rivals and talk mad shit back and forth to each other. The "touched by God" fanbase vs. the "snake bit on a pre-existing snake bite" fanbase.... I mean, when they get into football arguments, what could the Browns fans possibly have to come at the Steelers fans with??? I dunno, it cracks me up when she talks about that Steelers vs. Browns shit...that is a funny rivalry.

I have a bunch of buddies who are Browns fans. Great people. Totally different from the Bengals crowd. Bengals fans remind me of Rams fans -- bunch of fairweather fans who disappear except for big games.

Browns fans crack me up. They actually enjoy watching the team play miserable. It's almost a comedy to them. When they win, it's like watching a fat girl who just discovered cake.

[MotherfuckerJones]

https://twitter.com/johntelich8/status/381949344737288192

Man I want Gordon on KC bad

[Sure-Oz]

Schefter says there is an offer already on the table for Gordon...Pats and Ravens are speculation in twitter land