PFT: Freeman is a Free Man

[Dante84]

Cut that nose-picking butt-chin and bring Josh in to compete with Bray.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/03/buccaneers-cut-the-cord-release-josh-freeman/

[DaneMcCloud]

Cut that nose-picking butt-chin and bring Josh in to compete with Bray.


:facepalm:

[Hammock Parties]

This guy is going somewhere and tearing it up.

The Bucs are a horribly run organization.

[Sandy Vagina]

too much money locked up into Chase... (at least 3 mil in dead money)

Plus... what are the chances that Freeman could learn even a small portion of the playbook to be of any use? whereas Chase has been here from the beginning.

No thanks.

[King_Chief_Fan]

Cut that nose-picking butt-chin and bring Josh in to compete with Bray.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/03/buccaneers-cut-the-cord-release-josh-freeman/

dumb

[DaneMcCloud]

This guy is going somewhere and tearing it up.



LMAO

[gblowfish]

Raiders will probably go after him.

[Hammock Parties]

PRAY that the Raiders don't pick this guy up.

PRAY.

[lcarus]

PRAY that the Raiders don't pick this guy up.

PRAY.

After that comment, I'm praying that he does

[gblowfish]

Hell, we ought to go after him just to keep him out of Oakland. Let him come in, be our #3 guy, then next year let him compete with Smith and Daniel. He's a local guy, he'd probably LOVE to play for KC.

[DaneMcCloud]

PRAY that the Raiders don't pick this guy up.

PRAY.

Yeah, it would just be horrible to see him throw 19 more INT's this year as a member of the Raiders.

LMAO

But he's a perfect fit for the Raiders: He's dumb, he has ADHD, he doesn't show up for team photos and he sucks.

[Sandy Vagina]

PRAY that the Raiders don't pick this guy up.

PRAY.

think all of that choco-penii juice seeped into yo brain, fool! :p

[Hammock Parties]

What the fuck is this team doing with Chase Daniel as our backup with Freeman out there on his couch.

Sign him yesterday.

[Dante84]

Okay okay... cap situation aside... my overall point is that I would love to have him on the roster instead of Chase "booger tongue" Daniels.

[tyton75]

I think he will need the right situation to be effective. Arizona maybe?

[the Talking Can]

dude gets 6 mill to play xbox now...

[DaneMcCloud]

Okay okay... cap situation aside... my overall point is that I would love to have him on the roster instead of Chase "booger tongue" Daniels.

Why?

The guy has thrown 42 INT's in his last 35 games. He's been incredibly selfish, he's not a hard worker, he's not a gym rat, he's got ADHD, he overslept for his team's yearly photo and he sucks.

So, please explain to me why you'd like THAT GUY on your roster?

[Beer Bong]

He's done for now. If anyone wanted him they would have gave a 7th to ensure they got him before he was cut. I doubt anyone wants him.

[The Franchise]

I think he will need the right situation to be effective. Arizona maybe?

That's my guess. Arians would try and get something out of him. Plus he fits their offense and they really have nothing behind Palmer.

[Direckshun]

Free Freeman, man.

[Hammock Parties]

If Kerry Collins career could be resuscitated....he was far worse than Freeman....so can Freeman's. Period.

[chief4life]

What the **** is this team doing with Chase Daniel as our backup with Freeman out there on his couch.

Sign him yesterday.

I totally agree I bet Minnesota is going after him the hardest!

[TambaBerry]

Freeman is really good, I'd love to have him compete with Alex next season. Chase blows we all know this even you mizzou homers.

[The Franchise]

He's done for now. If anyone wanted him they would have gave a 7th to ensure they got him before he was cut. I doubt anyone wants him.

Wrong. Trading for him takes on that salary. No team was going to pay that much AND give up a draft pick.

[DaneMcCloud]

If Kerry Collins career could be resuscitated....he was far worse than Freeman....so can Freeman's. Period.

Bullshit.

Collins was legitimately talented but had a problem with alcohol.

Freeman has a problem with football.

[Dante84]

Jags will get him on waivers most likely.

[Beer Bong]

Wrong. Trading for him takes on that salary. No team was going to pay that much AND give up a draft pick.

I didn't think about that. I still doubt anybody touches him until next year (if he gets cleaned up).

[ROYC75]

As bad as Daniel is, Freeman is equally as bad.

Sad, all the talent is there, it's just not upstairs.

[DaneMcCloud]

Freeman is really good, I'd love to have him compete with Alex next season. Chase blows we all know this even you mizzou homers.

LMAO

I swear to fucking god, some of you people don't even watch the NFL.

17 INT's last year, 22 the year before, 3 already this year.

Yeah, he's GREAT!

[Beer Bong]

LMAO

I swear to ****ing god, some of you people don't even watch the NFL.

17 INT's last year, 22 the year before, 3 already this year.

Yeah, he's GREAT!

I think his career will be like Vince Young's. Pretty much one good year and done.

[Sandy Vagina]

Jags will get him on waivers most likely.

Not going through waivers.. he's a 5 yr vet.. waivers are for players with 3 or less seasons.

[Hammock Parties]

Bullshit.

Collins was legitimately talented but had a problem with alcohol.

Freeman has a problem with football.

Kerry Collins threw 49 INT in his first 41 games.

He could barely complete 50 percent of his passes before the Giants signed him.

He was dog shit.

At least Freeman has put together a couple of decent seasons to this point.

If Kerry Collins could be fixed, so can Josh Freeman.

And Schiano is a dirtbag moron.

[mr. tegu]

Do not want. He is way too full of suckage.

[Beer Bong]

As bad as Daniel is, Freeman is equally as bad.

Sad, all the talent is there, it's just not upstairs.

Have you guys listened to or watched the interviews where Reid talks about how much he likes Daniels? He's here for duration of his contract. I am sure of that. He is safer than Bray at this point.

[Sandy Vagina]

Have you guys listened to or watched the interviews where Reid talks about how much he likes Daniels? He's here for duration of his contract. I am sure of that. He is safer than Bray at this point.

or at least through 2014.

[DaneMcCloud]

Kerry Collins threw 49 INT in his first 41 games.

He could barely complete 50 percent of his passes before the Giants signed him.

He was dog shit.

At least Freeman has put together a couple of decent seasons to this point.

If Kerry Collins could be fixed, so can Josh Freeman.

And Schiano is a dirtbag moron.

Collins was a drunk.

Freeman just sucks.

[Dante84]

Why?

The guy has thrown 42 INT's in his last 35 games. He's been incredibly selfish, he's not a hard worker, he's not a gym rat, he's got ADHD, he overslept for his team's yearly photo and he sucks.

So, please explain to me why you'd like THAT GUY on your roster?

A. He showed a ton of promise as a rookie, with something like 5 or 6 come-from-behind victories.
B. His coach for the last year and this year, by all accounts, is a fucking train wreck.
C. He is still very young, has a high ceiling, and comes at a low price, thus making the risk palatable.
D. Gym Rat? What? What do you know about his workout habits?
E. He was at a family event during the team photo - he didn't "oversleep." Look it up.
F. Chase Daniels is "just a guy." There's no upside. He is everyone. He is no one. He is.... ANONYMOUS.

And the biggest overall point, is that if Reid and Dorsey think he's worth a flier, then shit yes. Reid knows QB's.... especially large chocolate-y ones with big arms.

[TEX]

Cut that nose-picking butt-chin and bring Josh in to compete with Bray.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/03/buccaneers-cut-the-cord-release-josh-freeman/

Pass. WHY would the Chiefs want to take on his problems?

[FloridaMan88]

I think Freeman ends up in Jacksonville or Cleveland.

[Hammock Parties]

Do not want. He is way too full of suckage.

The guy has the ability to make insanely awesome throws.

He needs to be surrounded by a good coaching staff and a stable organization.

[BlackHelicopters]

Suckage multiplied. No thanks.

[the Talking Can]

Freeman's first 5 years are better than Smiths', are they not?

[Hammock Parties]

Freeman's first 5 years are better than Smiths', are they not?

Shits all over Smith.

[Dante84]

Pass. WHY would the Chiefs want to take on his problems?

his problems stem from that shitfuck coach.

yeah.... shitfuck.

[DaneMcCloud]

A. He showed a ton of promise as a rookie, with something like 5 or 6 come-from-behind victories.
B. His coach for the last year and this year, by all accounts, is a fucking train wreck.
C. He is still very young, has a high ceiling, and comes at a low price, thus making the risk palatable.
D. Gym Rat? What? What do you know about his workout habits?
E. He was at a family event during the team photo - he didn't "oversleep." Look it up.
F. Chase Daniels is "just a guy." There's no upside. He is everyone. He is no one. He is.... ANONYMOUS.

And the biggest overall point, is that if Reid and Dorsey think he's worth a flier, then shit yes. Reid knows QB's.... especially large chocolate-y ones with big arms.

Fucking stupid.

Have you WATCHED him play?

He's had ONE good season. Since that season, he's thrown 42 INT's in 35 games.

[DaneMcCloud]

The guy has the ability to make insanely awesome throws.



So what? 42 INT's in 35 games. 3-13 seasons.

Only dumbfucks would advocate for a giant piece of shit like Freeman.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Freeman's first 5 years are better than Smiths', are they not?

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-25067-And-Here-We-Go-Joker-gif-Imgur-x71M.gif

[Hammock Parties]

Fucking stupid.

Have you WATCHED him play?

He's had ONE good season. Since that season, he's thrown 42 INT's in 35 games.

He's had two seasons of at least 3500 yards and 25 TD.

That's outstanding for the first four years of his career.

[RealSNR]

I don't understand what this issue over the ADHD meds are.

Hell, I take Vyvanse daily for ADD. It's not a big deal.

[Hammock Parties]

So what? 42 INT's in 35 games. 3-13 seasons.

Only dumbfucks would advocate for a giant piece of shit like Freeman.

So Alex Smith can improve at age 29, but Josh Freeman can't at age 25.

Sure.

[Dante84]

Fucking stupid.

Have you WATCHED him play?

He's had ONE good season. Since that season, he's thrown 42 INT's in 35 games.

I'm not saying he needs to be a 10 year starter....

My point is that he IS better than Daniels.

[jspchief]

At minimum, he's better than a handful of QBs starting in the NFL right now. Has a lot of potential imo.

He has no place in KC, but I'd be surprised if he wasn't playing somewhere soon.

[RealSNR]

GOD DAMN IT. HIS NAME IS CHASE DANIEL_. DANIEL. WITH NO S.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY DUPLICATES ON THIS TEAM. WE ONLY HAVE ONE CHASE DANIEL.

CHASE DANIELLLL.....LLLLLL.

THERE'S NO GODDAMN S!!

[Mav]

Yeah, it would just be horrible to see him throw 19 more INT's this year as a member of the Raiders.

LMAO

But he's a perfect fit for the Raiders: He's dumb, he has ADHD, he doesn't show up for team photos and he sucks.

80 percent of americans have this.

[OnTheWarpath15]

I don't understand what this issue over the ADHD meds are.

Hell, I take Vyvanse daily for ADD. It's not a big deal.

So Alex Smith can improve at age 29, but Josh Freeman can't at age 25.

Sure.

These.

[Rain Man]

I'm not saying he needs to be a 10 year starter....

My point is that he IS better than Daniels.


Yeah, definitely an upgrade based on what I've seen.

This is really bizarre, though. Was he a locker room cancer with the demotion or somethng?

[notorious]

Strong Arm - Check
Nice Touch - Check
Big Body - Check
Intangibles - HUGE FAIL

No fucking way.

[RealSNR]

How will signing Freeman affect our cap if we did? We still need room to extend Eric Berries and Justin Houstons.

YOU SEE HOW STUPID YOU GUYS SOUND WHEN YOU ADD UNNECESSARY LETTERS TO THE NAMES OF PLAYERS?

[WakkaWakka]

GOD DAMN IT. HIS NAME IS CHASE DANIEL_. DANIEL. WITH NO S.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY DUPLICATES ON THIS TEAM. WE ONLY HAVE ONE CHASE DANIEL.

CHASE DANIELLLL.....LLLLLL.

THERE'S NO GODDAMN S!!

ROFL

[Sandy Vagina]

GOD DAMN IT. HIS NAME IS CHASE DANIEL_. DANIEL. WITH NO S.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY DUPLICATES ON THIS TEAM. WE ONLY HAVE ONE CHASE DANIEL.

CHASE DANIELLLL.....LLLLLL.

THERE'S NO GODDAMN S!!

LOL! Need stronger meds, dude. You going to have an aneurysm. :deevee:

[Mav]

I don't understand what this issue over the ADHD meds are.

Hell, I take Vyvanse daily for ADD. It's not a big deal.

Ive been on either Ritalin, or Adderall for over 20 years......

[Rain Man]

I don't understand what this issue over the ADHD meds are.

Hell, I take Vyvanse daily for ADD. It's not a big deal.


"Side effects may include an obsession with rape."

[King_Chief_Fan]

80 percent of americans have this.
and dang near all of them post on this site

[gblowfish]

GOD DAMN IT. HIS NAME IS CHASE DANIEL_. DANIEL. WITH NO S.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY DUPLICATES ON THIS TEAM. WE ONLY HAVE ONE CHASE DANIEL.

CHASE DANIELLLL.....LLLLLL.

THERE'S NO GODDAMN S!!

We should bring in Freemans to compete with Daniels.

[Mav]

Yeah, definitely an upgrade based on what I've seen.

This is really bizarre, though. Was he a locker room cancer with the demotion or somethng?

I guess he has been fined twice in the past month for conduct detrimental to the team.

Shows immaturity. Gonna need a strong locker room to surround him with, one like uh, KANSAS City!!!

[DaneMcCloud]

So Alex Smith can improve at age 29, but Josh Freeman can't at age 25.

Sure.

LMAO

What is Freeman's biggest detriment to his career? His brain.

Please explain how he will suddenly "figure out" how to read a defense and how to play smart.

I've watched the guy since his K-State days and he's as unfocused and sloppy a player I've ever seen.

[Mav]

and dang near all of them post on this site

what were we talking about?

My ADHD is acting upROFL

[Hammock Parties]

LMAO

What is Freeman's biggest detriment to his career? His brain.

Please explain how he will suddenly "figure out" how to read a defense and how to play smart.

I've watched the guy since his K-State days and he's as unfocused and sloppy a player I've ever seen.

Alex Smith looked like a dumbass before 2010, too.

[Mav]

LMAO

What is Freeman's biggest detriment to his career? His brain.

Please explain how he will suddenly "figure out" how to read a defense and how to play smart.

I've watched the guy since his K-State days and he's as unfocused and sloppy a player I've ever seen.

Yup. He has all the physical tools. Just he is just not getting it up stairs.

Put his physical with Alex Smith mentally.

Prototype.

[Dante84]

GOD DAMN IT. HIS NAME IS CHASE DANIEL_. DANIEL. WITH NO S.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY DUPLICATES ON THIS TEAM. WE ONLY HAVE ONE CHASE DANIEL.

CHASE DANIELLLL.....LLLLLL.

THERE'S NO GODDAMN S!!

It is plural.

He and the bats in his cave.

[RealSNR]

"Side effects may include an obsession with rape."

Lol. Nah.

It does make you poop a lot, though. Similar effect to drinking a cup of coffee.

[Mr. Laz]

How will signing Freeman affect our cap if we did? We still need room to extend Eric Berries and Justin Houstons.

YOU SEE HOW STUPID YOU GUYS SOUND WHEN YOU ADD UNNECESSARY LETTERS TO THE NAMES OF PLAYERS?

http://forum.gamerage.com/grandchase/forums/resized-image.ashx/__size/550x0/__key/CommunityServer.Discussions.Components.Files/20/2313.1565.untitled.bmp

[Sandy Vagina]

Cut Smiths and Daniels and bring in Nate Daviss and J.T. O'Sullivans! :thumb:

[Archie F. Swin]

A Kansas Citian should play in Arrowhead.....clear a roster spot

[Mav]

Alex Smith looked like a dumbass before 2010, too.

well, at least you have come around on needing coaching.

At least we have got you that far.

Still. he has far too many weapons on that tampa team to be sucking so much dirty dick.

He has to be held accountable for some of that.

Even with your apparent obsession with Black qbs and their ability to CHUCK IT DEEP DAWG, even you cant deny that he is partly responsible.

[the Talking Can]

GOD DAMN IT. HIS NAME IS CHASE DANIEL_. DANIEL. WITH NO S.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY DUPLICATES ON THIS TEAM. WE ONLY HAVE ONE CHASE DANIEL.

CHASE DANIELLLL.....LLLLLL.

THERE'S NO GODDAMN S!!

thanks, now I am certain to refer to him as Daniels forever

[RealSNR]

Are we going to cut Daniels or Brays if we sign Freemans?

[King_Chief_Fan]

A. He showed a ton of promise as a rookie, with something like 5 or 6 come-from-behind victories.
B. His coach for the last year and this year, by all accounts, is a ****ing train wreck.
C. He is still very young, has a high ceiling, and comes at a low price, thus making the risk palatable.
D. Gym Rat? What? What do you know about his workout habits?
E. He was at a family event during the team photo - he didn't "oversleep." Look it up.
F. Chase Daniels is "just a guy." There's no upside. He is everyone. He is no one. He is.... ANONYMOUS.

And the biggest overall point, is that if Reid and Dorsey think he's worth a flier, then shit yes. Reid knows QB's.... especially large chocolate-y ones with big arms.

Well we will see...If he is what you say he is Reid and Dorsey will give him a look......I bet they don't

[Mav]

Lol. Nah.

It does make you poop a lot, though. Similar effect to drinking a cup of coffee.

I have never smoked weed. I have to preface that.

But, about 8 oclock at night, when my Adderall wears off, I get the MUNCHIES!!!

[OnTheWarpath15]

Not advocating for Freeman to come here, but...

Do y'all REALLY think that Freeman just turned into a shit-bum all of a sudden? All of this shit started when Schiano became the coach.

We're talking about an organization who is probably going to be sued over their handling of the staph infections in their facility, there's talk that Schiano fixed the player vote so Freeman wouldn't be captain, there was a players-only meeting in AUGUST to discuss how to handle the asshole HC, and now there's an investigation that likely leads to Schiano being the leak of Freeman's entry into the drug program.

Sounds like a fucking witch hunt to me.

[jspchief]

thanks, now I am certain to refer to him as Daniels forever

I'm liking the sound of Eric Berries.

[ThaVirus]

Jags will get him on waivers most likely.

He's better than Gabbert, that's for sure.

Also, what makes you guys think he'd want to go somewhere and be a backup? From what I understand, he's really pissed about being benched. Dude wants to start somewhere.

[Mr. Laz]

Freeman doesn't fit the WCO offense either.


Faiderville or Jacksonville

[Sandy Vagina]

well, at least you have come around on needing coaching.

At least we have got you that far.

Still. he has far too many weapons on that tampa team to be sucking so much dirty dick.

He has to be held accountable for some of that.

Even with your apparent obsession with Black qbs and their ability to CHUCK IT DEEP DAWG, even you cant deny that he is partly responsible.

http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu228/SilentsAreGolden/thats_racist.gif

ROFL

[Mav]

Are we going to cut Daniels or Brays if we sign Freemans?

Prolly cut BOWES, OR POES, FIRST....

[the Talking Can]

I'm liking the sound of Eric Berries.

starting to sound like a Key and Peele skit...."Liam Neesons!"

[Dante84]

The darker the berries, the sweeter the juice

[KCUnited]

Freemans has never had a back like Charle.

[jspchief]

Not advocating for Freeman to come here, but...

Do y'all REALLY think that Freeman just turned into a shit-bum all of a sudden? All of this shit started when Schiano became the coach.

We're talking about an organization who is probably going to be sued over their handling of the staph infections in their facility, there's talk that Schiano fixed the player vote so Freeman wouldn't be captain, there was a players-only meeting in AUGUST to discuss how to handle the asshole HC, and now there's an investigation that likely leads to Schiano being the leak of Freeman's entry into the drug program.

Sounds like a fucking witch hunt to me.

No doubt Freeman is being made a scapegoat for a horrible coach and a bad organization.

[Mav]

Jags will get him on waivers most likely.

no one is claiming him. To claim him, means that the claiming team has to have the cap room to absorb that ridiculous contract.

[OnTheWarpath15]

No doubt Freeman is being made a scapegoat for a horrible coach and a bad organization.

BUT HE HAS ADHD!

[Mav]

Freemans has never had a back like Charle.

Doug Martin isn't dog shit.

[Mr. Laz]

Maybe we should go ahead and claim him.


Run with 4 QB's on the roster and just see what Freeman is all about.


Hell ... maybe we can clean him up and showcase him next preseason and get a draft pick out of the deal.

:shrug:

[HemiEd]

Hell, we ought to go after him just to keep him out of Oakland. Let him come in, be our #3 guy, then next year let him compete with Smith and Daniel. He's a local guy, he'd probably LOVE to play for KC.

this

[DaneMcCloud]

Not advocating for Freeman to come here, but...

Do y'all REALLY think that Freeman just turned into a shit-bum all of a sudden? All of this shit started when Schiano became the coach.



Turned into? He was a schizophrenic player at K-State.

2009: 10 TD's, 18 INT's, 3-13
2010: 25 TD's, 6, INT's, 10-6
2011: 16 TD's, 22 INT's, 4-12
2012: 27 TD's, 17 INT's, 7-9
2013: 2 TD's, 3 INT's, 0-4

I don't see that Schiano negatively affected his play. Freeman is sloppy with the ball and plays unfocused. He'll make a great play, then a head scratcher.

[DaneMcCloud]

Maybe we should go ahead and claim him.


Run with 4 QB's on the roster and just see what Freeman is all about.


Hell ... maybe we can clean him up and showcase him next preseason and get a draft pick out of the deal.

:shrug:

He was cut, so any team would need to negotiate with him. He can't be claimed off of waivers because he wasn't waived.

[Hammock Parties]

Freeman is sloppy with the ball and plays unfocused. He'll make a great play, then a head scratcher.

Coaching absolutely could not make any player in the NFL more consistent.

[DaneMcCloud]

BUT HE HAS ADHD!

That's a great quality in a QB, right?

[Ace Gunner]

he's about a lot of bad decisions that result in a lot of INT's

[mikeyis4dcats.]

Not advocating for Freeman to come here, but...

Do y'all REALLY think that Freeman just turned into a shit-bum all of a sudden? All of this shit started when Schiano became the coach.

We're talking about an organization who is probably going to be sued over their handling of the staph infections in their facility, there's talk that Schiano fixed the player vote so Freeman wouldn't be captain, there was a players-only meeting in AUGUST to discuss how to handle the asshole HC, and now there's an investigation that likely leads to Schiano being the leak of Freeman's entry into the drug program.

Sounds like a ****ing witch hunt to me.

nice that they fined him $31,500 for issuing his statement about the drug test too.

[Rain Man]

The more I ponder this, I guess one question about Freeman is if he could step in as Alex's backup and not require big system changes. I don't know much about Freeman's style, but my general impression is that he's a very different style of quarterback than Alex is.

Can anyone who is an expert on Buccaneerism comment on this?

[Mav]

Coaching absolutely could not make any player in the NFL more consistent.

we need a sarcasm font......

[DaneMcCloud]

Coaching absolutely could not make any player in the NFL more consistent.

He was 27-17 last year and arguably had his best season statistically, yet he was just released by his team.

Greg Schiano doesn't make the personnel decisions. That would be Mark Dominick, the guy that actually drafted Freeman.

But sure, it's Schiano's fault that Freeman sucks.

:rolleyes:

[AlexSmithDynasty]

All the Chiefs players talk about what a great locker room they have and how that family vibe has translated to their play on the field, why would you want to poison that with a player who was such a whiny baby after getting benched for being terrible that his team didn't want him on the sidelines, didn't want him at meetings, and were willing to cut ties with him and get nothing back just to get rid of him. Sure Schiano may be a jerk but it's the NFL and Freeman should've dealt with it like a man instead of pouting when things weren't just handed to him, there's a reason his teammates didn't vote him as a captain, dude has no mental toughness and no leadership ability.

[jspchief]

He was 27-17 last year and arguably had his best season statistically, yet he was just released by his team.

Greg Schiano doesn't make the personnel decisions. That would be Mark Dominick, the guy that actually drafted Freeman.

But sure, it's Schiano's fault that Freeman sucks.

:rolleyes:

Well run organization

[Rain Man]

we need a sarcasm font......

How about this one?

[mikeyis4dcats.]

I haven't watched Josh play at TB, but a guy who was a team captain 3 or 4 years running, and whom teammates raved about his work ethic, who led the voluntary workouts during the strike is a different person than the one some of you (Dane) keep ranting about.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Maybe we should go ahead and claim him.


Run with 4 QB's on the roster and just see what Freeman is all about.


Hell ... maybe we can clean him up and showcase him next preseason and get a draft pick out of the deal.

:shrug:

No claiming him. He's free to sign anywhere.

[Hammock Parties]

I haven't watched Josh play at TB, but a guy who was a team captain 3 or 4 years running, and whom teammates raved about his work ethic, who led the voluntary workouts during the strike is a different person than the one some of you (Dane) keep ranting about.

Freeman lost like 25 lbs before last season to pick up his game.

He's a lot more dedicated than Dane's false narrative would have people believe.

[jspchief]

I haven't watched Josh play at TB, but a guy who was a team captain 3 or 4 years running, and whom teammates raved about his work ethic, who led the voluntary workouts during the strike is a different person than the one some of you (Dane) keep ranting about.

But Dane watched him play

[Hammock Parties]

He was 27-17 last year and arguably had his best season statistically, yet he was just released by his team.


The team is run by idiots.

Trent Green went 27/17 once. That's an acceptable stat line for a young QB.

[mikeyis4dcats.]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Falcons-Matt-Ryan-Buccaneers-Josh-Freeman-quarterback-analysis-120710

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/pete-prisco/23855073/after-further-review-freeman-the-scapegoat-for-bucs-uninspired-offense-

http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=814524-buccaneers---josh-freeman-s-work-ethic-outstanding

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6581275

[Beef Supreme]

I bet we could get Matt Flynn too.:evil:

[the Talking Can]

his first 5 years

1td 11ints 2-5
16td 16ints 7-9
2td 4ints 2-5
18td 12ints 5-5
14td 10ints 3-7

only played more than 10 games once in 5 years...eventually benched and traded


now he's our Franchise QB

[Beer Bong]

or at least through 2014.

3 years $10 million with $5 million guaranteed

He's here for three years.

[jspchief]

his first 5 years

1td 11ints 2-5
16td 16ints 7-9
2td 4ints 2-5
18td 12ints 5-5
14td 10ints 3-7

only played more than 10 games once in 5 years...eventually benched and traded


now he's our Franchise QB

But does he have adhd?

[DaneMcCloud]

I haven't watched Josh play at TB, but a guy who was a team captain 3 or 4 years running, and whom teammates raved about his work ethic, who led the voluntary workouts during the strike is a different person than the one some of you (Dane) keep ranting about.

He was only at K-State for three years, so he certainly wasn't a team captain for four years. He was not elected a team captain his freshman year so at most, he was a team captain for two seasons.

[Beer Bong]

He was only at K-State for three years, so he certainly wasn't a team captain for four years. He was not elected a team captain his freshman year so at most, he was a team captain for two seasons.

Thanks Pioli, could we stop with the team captain crap? ROFL

[DaneMcCloud]

But Dane watched him play

You're on record as saying he's a good QB, right? He's a great decision maker and the only reason he's got 42 INT's in 35 games is because of the coach that coached him during his best year statistically?

Got it.

[DaneMcCloud]

Freeman lost like 25 lbs before last season to pick up his game.

He's a lot more dedicated than Dane's false narrative would have people believe.

That's why he was fined twice, missed the team photo and was just cut.

He's great.

[OnTheWarpath15]

That's a great quality in a QB, right?

If you're worried about an NFL QB having ADHD, you better never leave your home. Co-workers, cab drivers, pilots, air traffic controllers, military servicemen - I could go on and on.

1 in 25 people have ADHD. Safe bet that they all have much more important jobs than NFL QB.

It's not a big deal, but since you have this giant hard-on for all things Freeman, you've tried to make it one.

[Hammock Parties]

I'm pretty sure Dane hates Freeman so much he'd sooner start Geno Smith.

[DaneMcCloud]

If you're worried about an NFL QB having ADHD, you better never leave your home. Co-workers, cab drivers, pilots, air traffic controllers, military servicemen - I could go on and on.

1 in 25 people have ADHD. Safe bet that they all have much more important jobs than NFL QB.

It's not a big deal, but since you have this giant hard-on for all things Freeman, you've tried to make it one.

I'm sure there's no correlation to his erratic play and ADHD.

[DaneMcCloud]

I'm pretty sure Dane hates Freeman so much he'd sooner start Geno Smith.

"Hate"? I don't hate him. I just don't want him on my football team.

[jspchief]

You're on record as saying he's a good QB, right? He's a great decision maker and the only reason he's got 42 INT's in 35 games is because of the coach that coached him during his best year statistically?

Got it.

I'm on record as saying he doesn't fit in KC but belongs in the NFL.

I didn't say shit about his decision making, but yes I think he's capable of better than what he's done so far. I also think he'd be an instant upgrade starting for several teams this year.

[jspchief]

I'm sure there's no correlation to his erratic play and ADHD.

I'm sure you're qualified to make that judgement.

[Dante84]

Sooooo


He is a better option than Chase, right?

That's the debate here.

[B_Ambuehl]

Freemans problem is he has Casselvision and doesn't see the field. That was just as apparent in college. A QB can have a hellacious arm, be accurate enough to throw it thru a tire at 60 yds, and have a tremendous work ethic but it does no good if their brain is wired in a way that causes them to get tunnelvision under stress and have to take 5 seconds to move from progression to progression. Cassel, Freeman, Alex Suck, Locker, Geno, Quinn, Jason Campbell, Chase McDaniels, Kolb, Sanchize, Whitehurst, Kyle Boller, Trent Dilfer - all 1 read QBs and will always be 1 read QBs.

QBs fail for 1 of 6 reasons:

1. Lack of desire/work ethic/mental capacity (Vince Yun, Jamarcus Russell)
2. Lack of accuracy/arm strength (Colt McCoy, Matt Leinart, )
3. Lack of a team around them (Gabbert, David Carr)
4. Injury
5. Lack of opportunity (wonder how many more potential Kurt Warners and Tony Romos are out there that never got the opportunity)

QBs that fail despite knowing the offense and having the physical measurables usually just aren't cut out for the instincts of the position upstairs.

Every once in a while you see someone who can mask hs deficiencies well enough via the team around him and knowledge of the offense to succeed (Dilfer, Alex Suck) but look how long that takes and the miniscule potential rewards. Better to cut bait and move on.

[Dayze]

dude, he must have done (or repeatedly done) something fucked up.
teams don't just cut starting QBs while under contract. Bench, yes. Cut, no.

[L.A. Chieffan]

All this over a backup QB

[Dante84]

dude, he must have done (or repeatedly done) something fucked up.
teams don't just cut starting QBs while under contract. Bench, yes. Cut, no.

HC Singletary > HC Schiano

[jspchief]

Sooooo


He is a better option than Chase, right?

That's the debate here.

For KC? Not in my opinion. I prefer the QB depth chart dynamic that KC has. A clear starter, a backup that isn't a threat to the starter, and a young guy that may someday be the future. Freeman is good enough to create turmoil.

He's better than Chase. That doesn't automatically make him a good fit for this team though.

[DaneMcCloud]

HC Singletary > HC Schiano

Nonsense.

Schiano built a college program from the ground up and made them a respectable football team. If he was fired from Tampa, he'd be in contention for nearly every opening at the college level.

Singletary was an awful head coach. Once he was fired, the only gig he could get was as a linebacker coach.

[Dante84]

For KC? Not in my opinion. I prefer the QB depth chart dynamic that KC has. A clear starter, a backup that isn't a threat to the starter, and a young guy that may someday be the future. Freeman is good enough to create turmoil.

He's better than Chase. That doesn't automatically make him a good fit for this team though.

Just so I understand you correctly:

The chiefs are in the playoffs, Alex smith gets hurt, and you would prefer a lesser player steps on the field because he isn't talented enough to be the starter full time. Quality players pushing your starter is a scarier thing than having a schlub play mediocre when called upon.

Got it.

[jspchief]

Nonsense.

Schiano built a college program from the ground up and made them a respectable football team. If he was fired from Tampa, he'd be in contention for nearly every opening at the college level.

Singletary was an awful head coach. Once he was fired, the only gig he could get was as a linebacker coach.

College coach doesn't equal pro coach.

[Dante84]

Nonsense.

Schiano built a college program from the ground up and made them a respectable football team. If he was fired from Tampa, he'd be in contention for nearly every opening at the college level.

Singletary was an awful head coach. Once he was fired, the only gig he could get was as a linebacker coach.

When Tampa Bay starts playing college teams, let me know.

He fucking blows horse cock as an NFL coach, and his team hates him.

[Beef Supreme]

I don't know if Freeman will ever get his shit together, but I'm willing to bet that he is still in the NFL longer than the coach that just let him go.

[Pablo]

his first 5 years

1td 11ints 2-5
16td 16ints 7-9
2td 4ints 2-5
18td 12ints 5-5
14td 10ints 3-7

only played more than 10 games once in 5 years...eventually benched and traded


now he's our Franchise QBLMAO

This should be a 1,000 post thread.

I'd have no problem with the Chiefs bringing him in in a backup role if it was financially feasible at all. I guess nobody really wanted the guy; so he'll probably get the cold shoulder from the NFL until next year. Tons of potential, but not a lot of smarts being shown lately.

All things considered, our backup eats boogers and is 5'10". He'd be a better backup since he can actually see over his linemen and probably doesn't eat his own dried mucus.

[Pablo]

I don't know if Freeman will ever get his shit together, but I'm willing to bet that he is still in the NFL longer than the coach that just let him go.This is probably true.

[DaneMcCloud]

When Tampa Bay starts playing college teams, let me know.

This is generally known as "moving the goalposts".

[Titty Meat]

Nonsense.

Schiano built a college program from the ground up and made them a respectable football team. If he was fired from Tampa, he'd be in contention for nearly every opening at the college level.

Singletary was an awful head coach. Once he was fired, the only gig he could get was as a linebacker coach.

He was 1 game over .500 at Rutgers though.

[Frosty]

I don't think there is any way the Chiefs could get Freeman in under the cap even if they wanted him unless he's willing to work for vet minimum or something. IMO, if he signs with a team, it's one that he has a chance to start right away (Vikings, Raiders, Cards).

[Mr. Laz]

He was cut, so any team would need to negotiate with him. He can't be claimed off of waivers because he wasn't waived.

welp ... never mind then

[Dante84]

This is generally known as "moving the goalposts".

Not at all. We are on an NFL message board. I didn't realize I needed to clarify that my comparison was between two (former, almost former) head coaches.

You brought up the college angle.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Freeman lost like 25 lbs before last season to pick up his game.



That's just from the adderall abuse.

[DaneMcCloud]

College coach doesn't equal pro coach.
There hasn't been one FBS team to interview Mike Singletary as a head coaching candidate in the past three years.

Schiano would be interviewed almost immediately.

Also, no one has even hired Singletary as a coordinator, so why would any program consider him as a head coach after his pitiful display in SF?

[Sandy Vagina]

3 years $10 million with $5 million guaranteed

He's here for three years.

Why argue such a silly little point?

Daniels' contract in the final season (2015) has a 4.8 mil cap number. To cut him loose after the 2014 season only costs KC 1 million... which means they save 3.8 million for themselves on the cap room.

You still think he is "locked" into that final 3rd year with KC? :hmmm:

[DaneMcCloud]

Not at all. We are on an NFL message board. I didn't realize I needed to clarify that my comparison was between two (former, almost former) head coaches.

You brought up the college angle.

If Mike Singletary was a better head coach, why has he been a linebacker coach for three years and not even considered by an FBS program?

[jspchief]

There hasn't been one FBS team to interview Mike Singletary as a head coaching candidate in the past three years.

Schiano would be interviewed almost immediately.

Also, no one has even hired Singletary as a coordinator, so why would any program consider him as a head coach after his pitiful display in SF?

Yeah I agree that Singletary is a bad coach. But Schiano is clearly not cut out for HC in the NFL either. He'll be lucky to last the season.

I sure as hell wouldn't use his decisions as ammo to support an opinion on Freeman.

[DaneMcCloud]

Yeah I agree that Singletary is a bad coach. But Schiano is clearly not cut out for HC in the NFL either. He'll be lucky to last the season.

I sure as hell wouldn't use his decisions as ammo to support an opinion on Freeman.

IIRC, Schiano was Tampa's fourth or fifth choice. He was hired because Belichick recommend him to Tampa.

When will other NFL franchises learn to avoid any advice from BB?

[jspchief]

He was 1 game over .500 at Rutgers though.

To be fair, he took over a really bad program. You know the first few years were mostly beyond his control.

He did a good job at Rutgers and earned his way to a better job. NFL HC may have been stretching it a bit too far.

[Sandy Vagina]

Does anyone really watch TB games to speak intelligibly on why they have failed thus far?

[Dante84]

If Mike Singletary was a better head coach, why has he been a linebacker coach for three years and not even considered by an FBS program?

Well, you see, my point is that Singletary is a piece of shit NFL head coach, but even still, Schiano is worse.

[gblowfish]

I still think he'll go to the Raiders or Jax. They're the ones most in need of QB help.

[The Franchise]

Why would the Raiders go after him? Pryor has looked decent.

[keg in kc]

Why would the Raiders go after him? Pryor has looked decent.I make a motion Tommy Rees that we all start randomly throwing Tommy Rees into every reply to pest Tommy Rees.

Man, I'm feeling evil this afternoon. What's wrong with me?

Tommy Rees.

[Bowser]

If Freeman DID end up here, I'd put that under the "In Dorsey I Trust" narrative. the guy seemingly hasn't missed when it comes to picking players up so far. If you think that in the long term Freeman can bring more to this team than either Daniel(s) or Bray(s) can, then bring him in.

I think the kid has a ton of potential, but you know what they say about potential - it just means that you haven't fucking done it yet.

If I were in Vegas I'd throw my money down on either Jacksonville or Arizona grabbing him up.

[DaneMcCloud]

Why would the Raiders go after him? Pryor has looked decent.

Because they're the Raiders.

[DaneMcCloud]

I think the kid has a ton of potential, but you know what they say about potential - it just means that you haven't fucking done it yet.



Potential is what gets coaches fired.

One down, one to go.

[Bowser]

Potential is what gets coaches fired.

One down, one to go.

Frankly I'll be mildly surprised if Schiano makes it through the season.

[Marcellus]

Frankly I'll be mildly surprised if Schiano makes it through the season.

They will look really dumb cutting their QB and firing the HC, odds are its not both their fault.

[Mr. Laz]

If Freeman DID end up here, I'd put that under the "In Dorsey I Trust" narrative. the guy seemingly hasn't missed when it comes to picking players up so far. If you think that in the long term Freeman can bring more to this team than either Daniel(s) or Bray(s) can, then bring him in.

I think the kid has a ton of potential, but you know what they say about potential - it just means that you haven't ****ing done it yet.

If I were in Vegas I'd throw my money down on either Jacksonville or Arizona grabbing him up.
If Freeman does end up in KC it will because Freeman signs a short minimum type deal to try and prove himself.

Reid might want to give a guy a chance like he did Vick. Didn't he give Young a chance too?

[DaneMcCloud]

They will look really dumb cutting their QB and firing the HC, odds are its not both their fault.

They'll have to fire Dominick, too.

There's no way he gets to hire a third HC.

[Bowser]

They will look really dumb cutting their QB and firing the HC, odds are its not both their fault.

How games do the Bucs have to win to keep Schiano around this season? Glennon didn't exactly come in and provide a spark to the team.

[Rausch]

How games do the Bucs have to win to keep Schiano around this season? Glennon didn't exactly come in and provide a spark to the team.

At this point he better make and win a playoff game.

I can't see that locker room being behind him...

[Ace Gunner]

At this point he better make and win a playoff game.

I can't see that locker room being behind him...

a rook that didn't even start playing until 4 games into the season isn't going to be pressured in this way.

[Bowser]

If Freeman does end up in KC it will because Freeman signs a short minimum type deal to try and prove himself.

Reid might want to get a guy a chance like he did Vick. Didn't he give Young a chance too?

Good point about Young. Don't the Bucs eat the rest of Freeman's salary for this season at least, if not longer? (not sure what deal he has left)

Like I said, it comes down to if Dorsey and Reid think that Josh can provide more this season and possibly going forward than either Daniel or Bray. I really don't see him Freeman coming here; I think our staff really likes our QB situation right now. Chase might not be a world beater at QB, but all I've heard about him since he's been in the league is how cerebral of a guy he is, and how his input makes him basically like another coach on the field. So, I guess it would come down to if they thought there was more upside with Freeman than Tyler Bray?

[The Franchise]

Schiano sounds a lot like Pioli. FYI...this article was written before Freeman was cut.

http://mmqb.si.com/2013/10/02/josh-freeman-greg-schiano-business/

In speaking with agents of several Bucs players recently, I have sensed a common theme: There is an atmosphere of fear and distrust under the current regime in Tampa. Players have told their agents about coaches roaming through the locker room (typically the players’ sanctuary away from coaches) and staff videotaping players on the sidelines during losses to single out players laughing or horsing around. The players also speak to the influx of multiple Rutgers players from Schiano’s past and the use of the phrase “Schiano Men,” a term that clearly does not apply to Freeman.

[Rausch]

a rook that didn't even start playing until 4 games into the season isn't going to be pressured in this way.

I'm talking about the HC...

[FringeNC]

Only way we pick up Freeman is if we cut Bray. We're certainly not in rebuilding mode, and if Smith gets hurt, we want someone who knows the offense. No way Daniel gets cut.

[mikeyis4dcats.]

He was only at K-State for three years, so he certainly wasn't a team captain for four years. He was not elected a team captain his freshman year so at most, he was a team captain for two seasons.

I'm talking about at TB.

[Al Bundy]

Fuck Greg Schiano, he is a 100% turd and my fucking franchise is getting fist fucked by him.

[DaneMcCloud]

Fuck Greg Schiano, he is a 100% turd and my fucking franchise is getting fist fucked by him.

The blame lies with the Glazers and Mark Dominick.

No one wanted the Tampa Bay job last year.

But if they continue to lose, putting themselves in a position to draft a Top Five QB or Clowney, it'll be more attractive to a new GM and head coach.

[B_Ambuehl]

Does anyone really watch TB games to speak intelligibly on why they have failed thus far?

Josh Freeman. With even mediocre QB play they're a 10 win football team. Freeman is nearly as bad as Cassel.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

I am not seeing a fit in KC AT ALL. Every damn slapdick that gets released we have to go through this.

[Simply Red]

he would be better if he played w/ the Chiefs - they have Eric Fisher to protect him.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

he would be better if he played w/ the Chiefs - they have Eric Fisher to protect him.

Cleanbreaker just 10 minutes ago....back baby!!!

[threebag]

<== Not a Daniels fan at all.
<== Never wanted Geno at all


The only upside Daniels has is he has been here. Too bad this didn't happen four months ago.

[The Franchise]

I make a motion Tommy Rees that we all start randomly throwing Tommy Rees into every reply to pest Tommy Rees.

Man, I'm feeling evil this afternoon. What's wrong with me?

Tommy Rees.

:facepalm:

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

His head matches McGrath's beard!!!!!!!!!!!

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Freeman may not have been the answer, but he has a hell of a lot more potential value than Schiano, a loathsome dickhead who could only build a mediocre program at Rutgers via getting busted by the NCAA.

[Beer Bong]

Schiano is terrible. He is just like Todd Haley and he's in way over his head.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

95.7 The GAME ‏@957thegame 27m
We just recieved this text from Josh Freeman: "Raider Nation is great. I've worked with Greg Olson & he is a great coordinator."

[Gravedigger]

Oh well, keep the Raiders sucking for awhile longer.

[-King-]

The blame lies with the Glazers and Mark Dominick.

No one wanted the Tampa Bay job last year.

But if they continue to lose, putting themselves in a position to draft a Top Five QB or Clowney, it'll be more attractive to a new GM and head coach.
Blame Schiano also. He created the worst work environment in the league. He's the Pioli of coaching. Probably worse.
Posted via Mobile Device

[WakkaWakka]

“@NFL_ATL: If Josh Freeman goes to Oakland, it'd be as a starter over Terrelle Pryor @MikeSilver says.”

[Titty Meat]

Blame Schiano also. He created the worst work environment in the league. He's the Pioli of coaching. Probably worse.
Posted via Mobile Device

Schiano is a dick but those players quit on Raheem Morris too.

[Tribal Warfare]

QB Josh Freeman to join Vikings (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9784092/josh-freeman-sign-minnesota-vikings)

The Vikings gave Freeman a one-year deal worth about $3 million, a league source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.

All totaled, Freeman will make more than $11.4 million until he becomes a free agent this winter, factoring in the $2.479 million the Bucs paid him at the start of the season, the $5.9 million in termination pay from the team, and his new deal with Minnesota.

Freeman also had been linked to the Bills and Raiders since being released by the Bucs on Thursday after a tumultuous season for the quarterback and the team that made him the 17th overall pick in the 2009 draft.

The Vikings add Freeman to a quarterback depth chart that already includes Christian Ponder and Matt Cassel -- who started in place of an injured Ponder in Minnesota's only win of the season.

The Vikings still will list Ponder as their starter, a team source told ESPN Senior NFL Analyst Chris Mortensen, though he is recovering from a fractured rib.

[Direckshun]

Hm. What on earth does the Vikings' depth chart look like now?

[-King-]

Difficulty picking up the offense continues to plague Josh Freeman

Posted by Michael David Smith on May 31, 2014, 7:01 AM EDT

AP
Josh Freeman was released on Friday after just six weeks with the Giants, and his biggest problem in New York this offseason appears to be the same as his biggest problem in Minnesota last season: He struggles to learn the offense.

Shortly before Freeman was released, Jordan Raanan of NJ.com reported that Freeman had been pulled from a practice session in place of fellow backup quarterback Curtis Painter after Freeman lined up the offense incorrectly.

At the end of the 2013 season, USA Today reported that Freeman was late for numerous meetings and often among the last players to the facility. Said one unnamed Viking, “You could tell Josh did not know the offense.”

In fairness to Freeman, the Vikings threw him into the starting lineup less than two weeks after he arrived, while the Giants gave him less than two months of the offseason. He has not had much time to learn the offense in either of his last two stops. And Freeman is only 26 years old, and showed promise in Tampa Bay, topping 4,000 yards in 2012 and throwing 25 touchdowns and only six interceptions in 2010. He has the tools to be a good quarterback.

But it will take some work for Freeman to get there, and after washing out in two different stops, there is now a real question whether any team will give him another shot.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/31/difficulty-picking-up-the-offense-continues-to-plague-josh-freeman/

[Chief_For_Life58]

whata moron

[Mr. Laz]

either his coaches have sucked at teaching or Freeman just isn't smart enough to play QB at an NFL level

[TimBone]

either his coaches have sucked at teaching or Freeman just isn't smart enough to play QB at an NFL level

Or doesn't care enough to give the effort.

[-King-]

Paging GoChiefs. Mr(s). Clayton, please pick up the white courtesy phone.

[Al Bundy]

Schiano was a turd and had a hand in wrecking Freeman.. but since he left Tampa it has been all on him. Fuck Greg Schiano though.

[displacedinMN]

Josh freemans' throws in first Vikes game

http://www.juanelway.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/josh-freeman-500x358.jpg

[txhawk]

Freeman sucks. Always has.

[Marcellus]

Another CP legend bites the dust.


I remember when I thought we had fucked up not drafting him.

[Just Passin' By]

Schiano was a turd and had a hand in wrecking Freeman.. but since he left Tampa it has been all on him. **** Greg Schiano though.

Freeman caught lightning in a bottle for one season. He's been a bad QB the rest of his career (2nd best season was under Schiano). Schiano has nothing to do with it.


But at least he was taken in the first round. :rolleyes:

[Buehler445]

Another CP legend bites the dust.


I remember when I thought we had fucked up not drafting him.

What? I wanted no part in drafting him and literally laughed out loud when TB drafted him in the first.

[bevischief]

If the price is right (Cheap) ok.