Would you rather be 8-0 with Alex Smith or 3-5 with Geno?

[-King-]

Our offense is terrible with Alex Smith. It would likely be worse with Geno given his propensity to turn the ball over and give the other teams points through pick 6s and returned fumbles for TDs. So seeing as how we barely win with the offense we have now, we'd have likely lost more than a few games if we had Geno as our QB.

But would you rather take those growing pains with Geno, or be 8-0 with Alex and be in the driver seat toward a first round bye in the playoffs?

[Wallcrawler]

Give me the wins. These past few seasons have been ROUGH.

[NinerDoug]

Win ugly always beats lose pretty, IMO.

[Halfcan]

Who in the hell would want to be 3-5?

[Wallcrawler]

Who in the hell would want to be 3-5?

3-5 now, but with a hopeful franchise QB going to the learning tree this year I think is what he's getting at.

So instant gratification with a shot at playoffs/superbowl, or a long term investment where we could be good for a long time.

Geno's got some athleticism to be sure, but that dude has made some epically stupid plays this year. Im not entirely sold on him as the next big thing.

[warrior]

Who in the hell would want to be 3-5?




choco peni suckers :D

[Bearcat]

Geno or otherwise, and if it was this year, next year, etc; I'll take the bigger risk now and some losses for the bigger reward later than a bunch of hollow "at least we aren't 2-14" wins.

I'd love to be able to say that statements like "I don't know if KC could handle a losing season or two with a rookie QB without demanding another retread" or "I don't think a lot of Chiefs fan understand what it takes to be competitive in this league" or "I don't think most people understand the high risk/high reward strategy is the way to go over low risk/win now strategy" are absurd, but I have my doubts.

[Discuss Thrower]

Of course I'd be the only one to vote Geno so far. Whatever.

It comes down to this: does Alex have the capability to win a SB without an astronomically good defense and all the lucky breaks in the world? Probably not.

Does Geno? Maybe.

Who will be in the league as a starter seven years from now? Probably Geno.

[Halfcan]

Geno sucks- when will the Planet stop loving him-lol

So the NFl counts "hollow wins now as not wins?"

The Donks sucked the whole game until the Skins laid down for them- is that a "hollow win'? But Manning is not a retread coming off neck surgery with two bad ankles lol

[Halfcan]

Of course I'd be the only one to vote Geno so far. Whatever.

It comes down to this: does Alex have the capability to win a SB without an astronomically good defense and all the lucky breaks in the world? Probably not.

Does Geno? Maybe.

Who will be in the league as a starter seven years from now? Probably Geno.

Will Geno be a Jet? Doubtful with all those Ints.

[Skyy God]

We had a win now roster and could ill afford Geno's growing pains.

This is not a close case by any stretch.

[Marcellus]

Of course I'd be the only one to vote Geno so far. Whatever.

It comes down to this: does Alex have the capability to win a SB without an astronomically good defense and all the lucky breaks in the world? Probably not.

Does Geno? Maybe.

Who will be in the league as a starter seven years from now? Probably Geno.

Ringing endorsement.

[The Franchise]

It's hard to say that Geno would be 3-5 with this team. Not the same offensive scheme. Not the same offensive skill players.

[l4z4rd]

It's hard to say that Geno would be 3-5 with this team. Not the same offensive scheme. Not the same offensive skill players.

same turnovers

[The Franchise]

same turnovers

Or not.

Geno would have a completely different HC and QB coach.

[BigCatDaddy]

Or not.

Geno would have a completely different HC and QB coach.

Yep. I'd say it would be more like 6-2, but we would have hope of possibly winning a shoot out with the Donks if it came down to it. Right now, we don't really have that hope.

[DaneMcCloud]

It's hard to say that Geno would be 3-5 with this team. Not the same offensive scheme. Not the same offensive skill players.

Same exact offensive scheme. Marty Morninwheg.

I happen to believe that the Jets skill players are better than Avery, Bowe and McCluster.

Geno once again teases with his arm and athleticism but make dumb mental mistakes. Two Pick Sixes yesterday alone.

He's no better a QB in Game Eight than he was in Game One. That's troubling, if you're a Jets fan.

[BigBeauford]

I realize this isn't my thread, but a less talented team(the Jets) ends up with 1 more win than the Chiefs would? I don't buy it.

[Marcellus]

Yep. I'd say it would be more like 6-2, but we would have hope of possibly winning a shoot out with the Donks if it came down to it. Right now, we don't really have that hope.

With our offensive line and WR Geno would be closer to 2-6.

Mr fumble/pick six does well with a clean pocket and receivers open by 3 yards.

[DaneMcCloud]

Of course I'd be the only one to vote Geno so far. Whatever.

It comes down to this: does Alex have the capability to win a SB without an astronomically good defense and all the lucky breaks in the world? Probably not.

Does Geno? Maybe.

Who will be in the league as a starter seven years from now? Probably Geno.

I don't think you've watched him play.

[ChiefsCountry]

The Jets are 4-4, yet the Chiefs would be 3-5?

[BigBeauford]

Same exact offensive scheme. Marty Morninwheg.

I happen to believe that the Jets skill players are better than Avery, Bowe and McCluster.

Geno once again teases with his arm and athleticism but make dumb mental mistakes. Two Pick Sixes yesterday alone.

He's no better a QB in Game Eight than he was in Game One. That's troubling, if you're a Jets fan.

Same case can be made that Alex Smith has not improved since week 1.

[BigCatDaddy]

With our offensive line and WR Geno would be closer to 2-6.

Mr fumble/pick six does well with a clean pocket and receivers open by 3 yards.

He's dropped in passes that would give Alice a wet dream.

GIF'em up Clay! :D

The turnovers are the key. If Andy/Pederson/Childress could have coached him up to limit those that would be huge.

[Marcellus]

Same case can be made that Alex Smith has not improved since week 1.

How is he supposed to be better than undefeated?

[Halfcan]

Geno is a bonehead that did it to himself with all his predraft mistakes. He hasn't played well at all and has been hurt. But some on here think he will win Multiple Super Bowls in his career-LOL get a fucking grip peeps- not even the Jets fans believe he is the guy.

[BigCatDaddy]

The Jets are 4-4, yet the Chiefs would be 3-5?

I thought that was pretty stupid as well.

[wazu]

What if we had Geno on the bench, were still 8-0, but had Stephenson starting at RT?

[-King-]

Yep. I'd say it would be more like 6-2, but we would have hope of possibly winning a shoot out with the Donks if it came down to it. Right now, we don't really have that hope.

So the coach is what's making him turn the ball over at a near historic pace?

[The Franchise]

Geno is a bonehead that did it to himself with all his predraft mistakes. He hasn't played well at all and has been hurt. But some on here think he will win Multiple Super Bowls in his career-LOL get a fucking grip peeps- not even the Jets fans believe he is the guy.

Exactly what pre-draft mistakes would those be? Skipping the Senior Bowl like his agent told him too?

[Marcellus]

He's dropped in passes that would give Alice a wet dream.

GIF'em up Clay! :D

The turnovers are the key. If Andy/Pederson/Childress could have coached him up to limit those that would be huge.

Gifing up a few select plays does not make the point, should we gif up Smiths pass to Dex yesterday and say look he is awesome?

The games I have watched he has made some mice throws but he has wide open receivers and a better OL to this point.

It is what it is.

[BigCatDaddy]

So the coach is what's making him turn the ball over at a near historic pace?

Could be. Matt Cassell with and without Charlie Weis was a different animal. The Chiefs with Romeo and with Andy & CO are a different animal. Coaching is HUGE.

[-King-]

The Jets are 4-4, yet the Chiefs would be 3-5?

We're winning with a TD or less margin on a good number of our games. Geno has the propensity to give TDs away to the other team.

So yes, 3-5 is what we would be.

[The Franchise]

JFC....now Geno has better skill players and a better offensive line? LMAO

[HemiEd]

Geno sucks- when will the Planet stop loving him-lol

So the NFl counts "hollow wins now as not wins?"

The Donks sucked the whole game until the Skins laid down for them- is that a "hollow win'? But Manning is not a retread coming off neck surgery with two bad ankles lol

You are so blinded by your homerism, Geno does not suck. I would take him and a more than likely 6 and 2 record right now. He has four game winning come back drives. In the Chicago Tribune yesterday, they said no rookie QB had ever done that in his first seven games. That is NEVER! How many does Alex have?

[Marcellus]

Exactly what pre-draft mistakes would those be? Skipping the Senior Bowl like his agent told him too?

I would say shitting himself in every big game he was in down the stretch was a predraft mistake.

Thats why I began to dislike him.

He is still doing stupid shit like he did in the K-State game.

[BigBeauford]

How is he supposed to be better than undefeated?

Fine, if we go down that road, then I guess our long snapper is undefeated since he doesn't screw up his role.

[RealSNR]

Cool! A false dilemma for us all to answer!

Nice thread!

[BigCatDaddy]

Fine, if we go down that road, then I guess our long snapper is undefeated since he doesn't screw up his role.

Eric Fisher is undefeated in his career. Future HOF'er?

[l4z4rd]

Exactly what pre-draft mistakes would those be? Skipping the Senior Bowl like his agent told him too?

Less than a week after the New York Jets picked Geno Smith in the second round of the NFL draft, the quarterback is still under great scrutiny in league circles. … Smith, who at one point was expecting to be the No. 1 overall pick and at least a top 10 selection, has big plans for his career… The problem is that NFL types see a guy who, right now, doesn’t understand how to get there. “His biggest problem is that he doesn’t know what he doesn’t know,” said a league executive, who spent extensive time assessing Smith before the draft. “I’m not sure he knows how to take instruction because he pretty much wouldn’t listen or talk to our coaches …” Two sources indicated that when Smith went on some visits to teams, rather than interact with coaches and front-office people, he would spend much of his time on his cell phone. Instead of being engaged with team officials, he would be texting friends or reading Twitter or a number of other distracting activities. “All these other players who were in there were talking to the coaches, trying to get to know people and he was over there by himself,” one of the sources said. “That’s not what you want out of your quarterback.”

[-King-]

Cool! A false dilemma for us all to answer!

Nice thread!

Thanks!

High Five!

[Direckshun]

What if we had Geno at QB, but David Newton at right tackle, and his grandmother's cat at full back?

Seriously. Think about it.

[-King-]

JFC....now Geno has better skill players and a better offensive line? LMAO

I don't think his skill players are better at all. But Offensive Line? Yes, and it's not close really. I don't think anyone can argue that.

[Marcellus]

You are so blinded by your homerism, Geno does not suck. I would take him and a more than likely 6 and 2 record right now. He has four game winning come back drives. In the Chicago Tribune yesterday, they said no rookie QB had ever done that in his first seven games. That is NEVER! How many does Alex have?

11 4th quarter comebacks and 13 game winning drives to date.

[RealSNR]

Would you rather be 8-0 with AIDS or 3-5 with chlamydia?

[The Franchise]

11 4th quarter comebacks and 13 game winning drives to date.

So roughly 1 to 2 a year. Geno has 4.....in 8 games.

[warrior]

Yep. I'd say it would be more like 6-2, but we would have hope of possibly winning a shoot out with the Donks if it came down to it. Right now, we don't really have that hope.






:LOL:

[Marcellus]

Fine, if we go down that road, then I guess our long snapper is undefeated since he doesn't screw up his role.

I thought we were discussing QB play. Aren't they the only players that matter and are 100% responsible for every win and loss.

Thats how it seems here.

[RealSNR]

Would you rather be a fat slob with a huge dick or an awesome physically fit adonis with a vagina?

[ClevelandBronco]

Depends. Can I bench Alex Smith so I don't have to put up with his weak ass in the playoffs like the Niners did?

[RealSNR]

Would you rather eat poop and drink cum or eat cum and drink poop?

[Marcellus]

So roughly 1 to 2 a year. Geno has 4.....in 8 games.

Well we only trailed once this year through 8 games. I know that just kills people like you.

[-King-]

Would you rather be a fat slob with a huge dick or an awesome physically fit adonis with a vagina?

Hmmmm...you should make a thread.

[DaneMcCloud]

You are so blinded by your homerism, Geno does not suck. I would take him and a more than likely 6 and 2 record right now. He has four game winning come back drives. In the Chicago Tribune yesterday, they said no rookie QB had ever done that in his first seven games. That is NEVER! How many does Alex have?

LMAO

He had TWO INT's for touchdowns yesterday alone.

JFC, he's been awful this year. They've won two games on shitty, fluke penalties which allowed them to kick field goals. They should be 2-6.

[l4z4rd]

I don't think his skill players are better at all. But Offensive Line? Yes, and it's not close really. I don't think anyone can argue that.

I agree. I don't see how anyone can say that the Chiefs' OL is better than theirs. As for skill players, their WR corp (when healthy) is better than ours and I would take Cumberland over Fasano. Obviously Charles is better than Powell.

[-King-]

Depends. Can I bench Alex Smith so I don't have to put up with his weak ass in the playoffs like the Niners did?

Can I cut Peyton Manning so I don't have to put up with his weak ass in the playoffs like the Colts did?

[The Franchise]

Well we only trailed once this year through 8 games. I know that just kills people like you.

Nope....it doesn't. I'm still waiting for that opportunity for Smith to show me what he has. The first half of yesterday's game.....he was looking pretty good. Then he shit the bed again. Consistency Alex.....consistency.

[Marcellus]

LMAO

He had TWO INT's for touchdowns yesterday alone.

JFC, he's been awful this year. They've won two games on shitty, fluke penalties which allowed them to kick field goals. They should be 2-6.

No no no no.

With Geno a win is a win is a win.

With Alex its he didn't do anything to help win 8 straight games.

[ClevelandBronco]

Can I cut Peyton Manning so I don't have to put up with his weak ass in the playoffs like the Colts did?

Sure, but I don't think that was an option.

[Fat Elvis]

LMAO

He had TWO INT's for touchdowns yesterday alone.

JFC, he's been awful this year. They've won two games on shitty, fluke penalties which allowed them to kick field goals. They should be 2-6.

http://cbshouston.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/179468488.jpg

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Would you rather be 8-0 with AIDS or 3-5 with chlamydia?

LMAO This.

Geno.

[Marcellus]

Nope....it doesn't. I'm still waiting for that opportunity for Smith to show me what he has. The first half of yesterday's game.....he was looking pretty good. Then he shit the bed again. Consistency Alex.....consistency.

I prefer we don't trail in games myself.

We will get to see whats up in the next 7 games I am guessing.

I know this when we lose a game and we will, this place will melt down with vitriol and hate and it won't matter why we lose.

I have never seen an unhappier 8-0 fan base in my life who still spend half their time pining for another teams players. No matter how much you bitch its not changing.

There is literally nothing to be gained from it from any perspective.

Hell I can understand people who want Bray to succeed or be the guy, he is a Chief at least.

[BigBeauford]

No issues with winning football games. Just watching how much pressure Smith puts on his defense to come up with huge stops is stressful at best to watch. It would be nice to see him help this team get definitive wins, rather than have 1/3 of his yards come from screens, or going 3 and out for seemingly an entire half.

[BlackHelicopters]

Axl rules.

[Marcellus]

No issues with winning football games. Just watching how much pressure Smith puts on his defense to come up with huge stops is stressful at best to watch. It would be nice to see him help this team get definitive wins, rather than have 1/3 of his yards come from screens, or going 3 and out for seemingly an entire half.

Offense outplayed the defense in the 1st half yesterday and then they switched rolls.

Lets just keep acting like we didn't have 98 yard TD drive last week to end the half.

Consistency needs to be better, but the offense is not sitting on their hands.

[BigCatDaddy]

No issues with winning football games. Just watching how much pressure Smith puts on his defense to come up with huge stops is stressful at best to watch. It would be nice to see him help this team get definitive wins, rather than have 1/3 of his yards come from screens, or going 3 and out for seemingly an entire half.

Hey guy! You know what! You get Alex Smith an elite offensive line, elite WR's, to go with his already elite RB & defense and you got yourself a possible playoff win right there!

[l4z4rd]

No issues with winning football games. Just watching how much pressure Smith puts on his defense to come up with huge stops is stressful at best to watch. It would be nice to see him help this team get definitive wins, rather than have 1/3 of his yards come from screens, or going 3 and out for seemingly an entire half.

When Smith didn't give them pressure yesterday, they gave up huge play after huge play. This defense needs pressure to succeed.

[BigCatDaddy]

When Smith didn't give them pressure yesterday, they gave up huge play after huge play. This defense needs pressure to succeed.

:facepalm:

[ChiefsCountry]

When Smith didn't give them pressure yesterday, they gave up huge play after huge play. This defense needs pressure to succeed.

:doh!:

[BigBeauford]

Offense outplayed the defense in the 1st half yesterday and then they switched rolls.

Lets just keep acting like we didn't have 98 yard TD drive last week to end the half.

Consistency needs to be better, but the offense is not sitting on their hands.

I am not too big to admit that I still have bitterness in my heart because Smith was not the quarterback that I wanted. Got it, he is our qb, we are undefeated, quit bitching. I still don't sit well with the situation, because he has not alleviated a single concern I had when we acquired him.

[BigBeauford]

When Smith didn't give them pressure yesterday, they gave up huge play after huge play. This defense needs pressure to succeed.

Lol, hilarious if not serious. Concerning if you are.

[jspchief]

I don't know about choosing between the options in the OP, but I do feel like this team still has not found its QB. I'll accept that Smith is likely the guy through next year, but I hope he's not extended and I hope the FO is still looking for a QB.

[Halfcan]

LMAO

He had TWO INT's for touchdowns yesterday alone.

JFC, he's been awful this year. They've won two games on shitty, fluke penalties which allowed them to kick field goals. They should be 2-6.

Hey don't put a bunch of facts into this-lol

Geno is awesome and we would be Super Bowl contenders for the next 20 years with him. :)

[warrior]

No issues with winning football games. Just watching how much pressure Smith puts on his defense to come up with huge stops is stressful at best to watch. It would be nice to see him help this team get definitive wins, rather than have 1/3 of his yards come from screens, or going 3 and out for seemingly an entire half.




Or the defense letting fu***ing Jason Cambell run around and torch us for big plays.

Or the offense line giving up six sacks and numerous pressures.

SMiff gave us a good lead he dosn't play defense too.

[Halfcan]

LOL people still think we should have drafted Geno with the Number 1 pick.

8-0 and still dreaming of geno- the next Rams backup.

[Hoover]

Since the grass is always greener I voted for 3-5 with Geno so I fit in on this BB of AS haters.

[Halfcan]

I prefer we don't trail in games myself.

We will get to see whats up in the next 7 games I am guessing.

I know this when we lose a game and we will, this place will melt down with vitriol and hate and it won't matter why we lose.

I have never seen an unhappier 8-0 fan base in my life who still spend half their time pining for another teams players. No matter how much you bitch its not changing.

There is literally nothing to be gained from it from any perspective.

Hell I can understand people who want Bray to succeed or be the guy, he is a Chief at least.

:clap: It was a tough game, but we won. Browns ALWAYS play us tough and have the best game of the year against us. It was a big win.

[RINGLEADER]

Of course I'd be the only one to vote Geno so far. Whatever.

It comes down to this: does Alex have the capability to win a SB without an astronomically good defense and all the lucky breaks in the world? Probably not.

Does Geno? Maybe.

Who will be in the league as a starter seven years from now? Probably Geno.

Geno can't win in the regular season, what makes you think he'll do better in the post-season?

Truth is that two ticky-tack fouls that had nothing to do with Geno's skills (or lack thereof) led to half his wins this season. Ignore those and he's 2-6, which is probably a closer representation of his actual skills.

[RINGLEADER]

:clap: It was a tough game, but we won. Browns ALWAYS play us tough and have the best game of the year against us. It was a big win.

Like it or not we're also going to get everybody's best shot.

[BigCatDaddy]

Geno can't win in the regular season, what makes you think he'll do better in the post-season?

Truth is that two ticky-tack fouls that had nothing to do with Geno's skills (or lack thereof) led to half his wins this season. Ignore those and he's 2-6, which is probably a closer representation of his actual skills.

Or we could ignore Davone Bess giving the Chiefs the game as well, yes?

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

The Jets are 4-4, yet the Chiefs would be 3-5?

Jets are a 2-6 team without the help of 2 dumb flags.

[BigCatDaddy]

Jets are a 2-6 without the help of 2 dumb flags.

Can you look into your twitter ball and get the powerball numbers for Wed night to, bro?

[The Franchise]

Jets are a 2-6 without the help of 2 dumb flags.

Make sure you put asterisks on everything that Geno does.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Can you look into your twitter ball and get the powerball numbers for Wed night to, bro?

Truth hurts i know sorry.

[Sfeihc]

Is this a trick question? What's with all these silly polls lately?

[The Franchise]

Truth hurts i know sorry.

This team would be 0-8 without this defense. Truth hurts.

[warrior]

:clap: It was a tough game, but we won. Browns ALWAYS play us tough and have the best game of the year against us. It was a big win.




:hmmm:
Browns have a good defense 7th they've won some games against good teams they get Hoyer back they'll win several more.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

This team would be 0-8 without this defense. Truth hurts.

So much fail.

[BigCatDaddy]

Truth hurts i know sorry.

This has been addressed numerous times so I'm not doing it again. The outcome of the NE and TB game were not forgone conculsions, but keep ****ing that chicken twitter bitch.

[The Franchise]

So much fail.

Which win did Smith put this team on his back and will them to win?

[warrior]

Id rather not hear about GeNo at all

[DaWolf]

So roughly 1 to 2 a year. Geno has 4.....in 8 games.

There's the sign of a great QB. Just look at where it got John Skelton:

According to Coldhardfootballfacts.com, "John Skelton is the first quarterback in NFL history to have 6 wins decided with fourth quarter/overtime scores in their first 11 games." Both Skelton and Tebow have five comebacks and five game-winning drives a piece this season. Also, Skelton is perfect in his fourth quarter comeback attempts. He boasts a record of 5-0, which not even Tebow can flaunt.

http://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2011/12/21/2650767/john-skelton-comebacks-fourth-quarter-tim-tebow

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

This has been addressed numerous times so I'm not doing it again. The outcome of the NE and TB game were not forgone conculsions, but keep ****ing that chicken twitter bitch.

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7 sec left at the 45 No time outs. No your right Jet wins without it. Dumbass!

[Easy 6]

3-5 hands down.

Atleast 2015 forward is secured, man.

[gosampel]

Who in the hell would want to be 3-5?

The guy 2-6

[Chief Roundup]

If Andy/Pederson/Childress could have coached him up to limit those that would be huge.

They did not want him to even be able to coach up.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

They did not want him to even be able to coach up.

Some people will never get this.

[Hammock Parties]

We could be 8-0 with both.

[mr. tegu]

We wouldn't be 3-5 with Geno.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/givetake/league/afc


Reason why One is 8-0 and other is 4-4.

[Hammock Parties]

The problem with homers is they think in the short term far too often.

[ChiefsCountry]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/givetake/league/afc


Reason why One is 8-0 and other is 4-4.

Chiefs would be at plus 3 if you put Geno Smith stats in there.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

The problem with homers is they think in the short term far too often.

Half the D is in their prime. Do you wanna waste that?

[vailpass]

Yep. I'd say it would be more like 6-2, but we would have hope of possibly winning a shoot out with the Donks if it came down to it. Right now, we don't really have that hope.

Geno at KC could win a shootout against Peyton and Denver? No offense but...how do you figure?

[Rausch]

Geno at KC could win a shootout against Peyton and Denver? No offense but...how do you figure?

If it becomes a shootout I don't think Smith will win either.

If we don't hold Den to under 24 pts we won't win...

[Halfcan]

Id rather not hear about GeNo at all

Unfortunately the love for Geno Pizza will never die here-they still think he is worth a number 1-LOL!!

[saphojunkie]

The problem with homers is they think in the short term far too often.

I agree with this, absolutely, but so do the haters.

Eric Fisher and Geno Smith are inextricably linked for us, forever. Anyone saying we shouldn't have drafted Geno because of his interceptions is just as wrong as everyone saying we shouldn't have drafted Fisher. Each player has plenty of time left on his clock to become an elite player. Geno needs to rein in the interceptions, and Fisher needs to add strength and technique.I wish both players were kicking ass and taking names, because A) I could say "I told you so" about Geno; and B) Fisher wouldn't suck donkey balls.

The best case scenario is Geno sitting on the bench learning from Reid and Smith on how to prepare and be a professional. So the real question is:

Would you rather be 3-5 with Geno or 8-0 with Tyler Bray?

I'll take 8-0 with Bray, thanks.

[Jerm]

People would seriously rather be 3-5 or something of that sort rather than 8-0 and leading the division?

Jesus Christ...

It's time to let this Geno stuff go...

[vailpass]

If it becomes a shootout I don't think Smith will win either.

If we don't hold Den to under 24 pts we won't win...

I wasn't trying to talk shit but yeah, that one struck me as a little bit off...

[Earthling]

Yep. I'd say it would be more like 6-2, but we would have hope of possibly winning a shoot out with the Donks if it came down to it. Right now, we don't really have that hope.

Umm "you" don't have that hope.

[Bowser]

See, I was greedy when it came to my view of Geno. If it were up to me, Geno would be here backing up Alex, so I can't answer the question as posed.

In my dream scenario, Geno would have been probably third string behind Alex and Chase, moves to backup next year, and been starting in 2015. Give him time that way to assimilate an NFL offense and how to prepare, conduct yourself (although he's had no problems with that in New York, a credit to him), and really get a feel for what it means to play QB in the league from Andy and Alex.

[Halfcan]

People would seriously rather be 3-5 or something of that sort rather than 8-0 and leading the division?

Jesus Christ...

It's time to let this Geno stuff go...

No they want to be 0-8 so we will have the first pick in the draft.... then we can draft a..............Right tackle-LOL :)

[Halfcan]

See, I was greedy when it came to my view of Geno. If it were up to me, Geno would be here backing up Alex, so I can't answer the question as posed.

In my dream scenario, Geno would have been probably third string behind Alex and Chase, moves to backup next year, and been starting in 2015. Give him time that way to assimilate an NFL offense and how to prepare, conduct yourself (although he's had no problems with that in New York, a credit to him), and really get a feel for what it means to play QB in the league from Andy and Alex.

So Geno with the number 1 is better than Bray- for free? :hmmm:

[philfree]

No they want to be 0-8 so we will have the first pick in the draft.... then we can draft a..............Right tackle-LOL :)

:doh!:

[Marcellus]

I wasn't trying to talk shit but yeah, that one struck me as a little bit off...

What I find interesting is this CP fanbases obsession with being able to win a game in a shoot out. We have already had that team in 2003.

I don't care how we win as long as we win and not turning the ball over and playing great dominant defense will keep you in every game.

We have made plays offensively when needed in every game to this point. At some point it may cost us a game. But so will being in constant shoot outs.

[Deberg_1990]

Frankly, Geno looks like the next Josh Freeman to me. Probably not even that good.
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[vailpass]

What I find interesting is this CP fanbases obsession with being able to win a game in a shoot out. We have already had that team in 2003.

I don't care how we win as long as we win and not turning the ball over and playing great dominant defense will keep you in every game.

We have made plays offensively when needed in every game to this point. At some point it may cost us a game. But so will being in constant shoot outs.

There is no arguing with wins...

[Oxford]

Given where this roster was, all of the holes it had (and still has), and the general fan malaise, I pick Alex Smith. The locker room has to be fixed first and that is done by winning. Nothing else works. Also, there is no evidence that Geno Smith is going to be better than Tyler Bray.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

After you take away all the D/ST score the Chiefs O average 19.6 points a game. Do the same with Geno and the Jets average 17 points a game.

[Bowser]

So Geno with the number 1 is better than Bray- for free? :hmmm:

No way to know that, and we probably won't know that for a number of years.

Perhaps Bray will play that role I had envisioned Geno in. I certainly hope so. If it happens, well, that will be proof positive as to why I'm some anonymous idiot posting on message boards and John Dorsey is who he is.

[Deberg_1990]

What I find interesting is this CP fanbases obsession with being able to win a game in a shoot out. We have already had that team in 2003.

I don't care how we win as long as we win and not turning the ball over and playing great dominant defense will keep you in every game.

We have made plays offensively when needed in every game to this point. At some point it may cost us a game. But so will being in constant shoot outs.

It never ends with some fans. I feel like some people wont ever be happy until we win 65-0 every week.
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[Bowser]

What I find interesting is this CP fanbases obsession with being able to win a game in a shoot out. We have already had that team in 2003.

I don't care how we win as long as we win and not turning the ball over and playing great dominant defense will keep you in every game.

We have made plays offensively when needed in every game to this point. At some point it may cost us a game. But so will being in constant shoot outs.

We're in the Fantasy Football age of the NFL, man. EVERYTHING is about stats. Alex has the ultimate trump card stat, though - wins/losses.

[philfree]

It never ends with some fans. I feel like some people wont ever be happy until we win 65-0 every week.
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Well as long it's a come from behind win.

[chuxtrux]

I would rather be 0-8 and in a position to draft a real FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK!1! If we somehow win the Super Bowl that would be the worst thing to ever happen to this franchise because we would be stuck with Smiff for another year.

[KCUnited]

A better poll would be how many games would people be willing to give for say Geno or even EJ Manuel. Would you do it for 6-2, 5-3?? I'm sure that poll would turn into a hot mess as well, though.

[KC Dan]

I would rather be 0-8 and in a position to draft a real FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK!1! If we somehow win the Super Bowl that would be the worst thing to ever happen to this franchise because we would be stuck with Smiff for another year.You are psycho. Just stay in Grbac's basement.....This is total FAIL!

[Bowser]

I would rather be 0-8 and in a position to draft a real FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK!1! If we somehow win the Super Bowl that would be the worst thing to ever happen to this franchise because we would be stuck with Smiff for another year.

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[ShowtimeSBMVP]

I would rather be 0-8 and in a position to draft a real FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK!1! If we somehow win the Super Bowl that would be the worst thing to ever happen to this franchise because we would be stuck with Smiff for another year.

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[NinerDoug]

I would rather be 0-8 and in a position to draft a real FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK!1! If we somehow win the Super Bowl that would be the worst thing to ever happen to this franchise because we would be stuck with Smiff for another year.

Holy shit. The people who don't like him because he will never win a superbowl are aligned with the people who don't like him because he might win a superbowl. Well, sports politics makes strange bedfellows.

[Trakkk]

Alex Smith is THE reason I am a Chiefs fan

[scho63]

I would take 8-0 with Tinkerbell as QB after all we have been through. Anyone who would rather be 3-5 with Geno Smith needs their fan card revoked and banned for a week for being a moron.

[Chief Roundup]

See, I was greedy when it came to my view of Geno. If it were up to me, Geno would be here backing up Alex, so I can't answer the question as posed.

In my dream scenario, Geno would have been probably third string behind Alex and Chase, moves to backup next year, and been starting in 2015. Give him time that way to assimilate an NFL offense and how to prepare, conduct yourself (although he's had no problems with that in New York, a credit to him), and really get a feel for what it means to play QB in the league from Andy and Alex.

Why in the fuck would you draft a QB at 1.1 that needs to ride the pine for a year and then still hold the clipboard for another year? That is stupid. If it is going to take that long that QB should have been drafted somewhere between the 4th round and an UDFA.

[Chief Roundup]

Alex Smith is THE reason I am a Chiefs fan

Well isn't that one heck of an endorsement.

[l4z4rd]

What I find interesting is this CP fanbases obsession with being able to win a game in a shoot out. We have already had that team in 2003.


blame Sportscenter

[Bearcat]

What I find interesting is this CP fanbases obsession with being able to win a game in a shoot out. We have already had that team in 2003.

I don't care how we win as long as we win and not turning the ball over and playing great dominant defense will keep you in every game.

We have made plays offensively when needed in every game to this point. At some point it may cost us a game. But so will being in constant shoot outs.

Yeah, there's nothing between having a ~20th rated QB and a mediocre offense and having the best offense in the league with the worst defense in the league.

It's not about being another DV team or the 2000s Colts or 2013 Broncos... it's about not needing to rely on an entire side of the ball to play at an elite level every single week just to get past mediocre teams and being able to put up points when needed, because if you haven't noticed, it's an offensive league and some of the best defenses in the league have to still rely on the other side of the ball to put up points in big games and in the playoffs (whether that's this year, next year, whatever).

JFC, stop building strawmen. All of these points about never being happy about the offense might be more valid if it was above average.

[notorious]

I'd rather be 4-0 in the playoffs.

[58-4ever]

I have not read one post in this thread, but the NFL is a super finite business, and you're fucking retarded if you want the Chiefs to be 3-5 instead of 8-0 today.

[Contrarian]

Of course I'd be the only one to vote Geno so far. Whatever.

It comes down to this: does Alex have the capability to win a SB without an astronomically good defense and all the lucky breaks in the world? Probably not.

Does Geno? Maybe.

Who will be in the league as a starter seven years from now? Probably Geno.

reeeeeeee........tard.

[Bowser]

Why in the fuck would you draft a QB at 1.1 that needs to ride the pine for a year and then still hold the clipboard for another year? That is stupid. If it is going to take that long that QB should have been drafted somewhere between the 4th round and an UDFA.

Yeah, too bad that didn't work out for the Titans with Steve McNair, huh?

[LiveSteam]

I'm in no position to complain .
I really though Andy was a washed-up has been. & stated such on more then 1 occasion to Bugeater.
This is the kind of Crow you enjoy eating. SERVE IT UP ANDY!

[keg in kc]

So basically the logic is that Geno would be 3-5 here and Alex would be 8-0 in New York, and stuff like roster and coaching staff is irrelevant?

[Bearcat]

Yeah, too bad that didn't work out for the Titans with Steve McNair, huh?

Or Aaron Rodgers.... can't take a risk like that when you could win a bunch of regular season games right now with an OT from the MAC.

[Bowser]

Or Aaron Rodgers.... can't take a risk like that when you could win a bunch of regular season games right now with an OT from the MAC.

Exactly. I sincerely don't get the OMGWTF reaction to the thought of a rookie QB sitting a season or two and assimilating what it takes to play in the league. Luck and RGIII have completely skewed the expectations of what rookie QB's should be able to do.

[LiveSteam]

So basically the logic is that Geno would be 3-5 here and Alex would be 8-0 in New York, and stuff like roster and coaching staff is irrelevant?

Oh hell no. KC is 8 & 0 because of their NASTY D
But,if Geno was tossing the ball here,he would have turnovers that would have caused 1 if not 2 Ls in the win loss column

Edit /& at 6&2 Im still a very happy camper

[mr. tegu]

Saying we would be 3-5 with Geno is an insult to Reid and just flat out wrong. Geno's current coach is a defensive guru who also happens to be a lunatic and despite that he is still playing pretty well with below average NFL talent around him on offense.

He has made mistakes but he is rookie for crying out loud. The expectations some of you put on him are ridiculous. But the better he plays the higher the naysayers will raise expectations so that people can maintain their position of being perceived as correct about him and their belief he is not any good.

[Easy 6]

So basically the logic is that Geno would be 3-5 here and Alex would be 8-0 in New York, and stuff like roster and coaching staff is irrelevant?

Of course not and you know it.

But geno isnt the right guy for this team right now... that's really all i wish people would recognize at this point.

Not a single one of his gutsy bombs is the right call for this current group, we dont have the time to wait on him.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

8-0 with Geno as our backup and Schwartz at RT

[Eleazar]

Geno Smithis a turnover machine. Alex Smith is not.

Maybe that will change one day, but that's how it is today.

[Molitoth]

I'd rather have geno smith on the bench than Eric fisher sucking some asshole.

[Molitoth]

So basically the logic is that Geno would be 3-5 here and Alex would be 8-0 in New York, and stuff like roster and coaching staff is irrelevant?

Pretty much lol. These people are fucking retarded.

[Jerm]

I would rather be 0-8 and in a position to draft a real FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK!1! If we somehow win the Super Bowl that would be the worst thing to ever happen to this franchise because we would be stuck with Smiff for another year.

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[LOCOChief]

7 voted for Geno and 3-5, that's pretty fucked up.

[Eleazar]

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That's not that strange of an idea. I've heard people say here that they'd rather have Kevin Kolb or Jason Campbell than Alex Smith.

[Hammock Parties]

Half the D is in their prime. Do you wanna waste that?

Alex will. Guarantee you.

And Charles.

And Bowe.

And us.

[Ace Gunner]

I would rather be 0-8 and in a position to draft a real FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK!1! If we somehow win the Super Bowl that would be the worst thing to ever happen to this franchise because we would be stuck with Smiff for another year.

http://www.thegloss.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/fire-gif-waxing-reactions.gif

[SAUTO]

Jets are a 2-6 team without the help of 2 dumb flags.

One of those wasn't dumb, it was good coaching.
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[SAUTO]

So Geno with the number 1 is better than Bray- for free? :hmmm:

We could have had them both...
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[SAUTO]

I'd rather have geno smith on the bench than Eric fisher sucking some asshole.

This
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[bshmerlie]

I'm not sold on Geno Smith. Who wants to make a bet the Jets draft another QB in the next draft? As soon as teams have a chance to study him this next off season they are going to tear him up next year.

[DaneMcCloud]

I'd rather have geno smith on the bench than Eric fisher sucking some asshole.

I'd rather have Kenny Vacarro, Sheldon Richardson, Chance Warmack or Cordarrelle Patterson than Smith or Fisher.

[Easy 6]

7 voted for Geno and 3-5, that's pretty ****ed up.

Count me IN bro, i want to waste this defensive talent, i do.

[TheGuardian]

9 certified idiots on this board so far.

[Hammock Parties]

Let's see how well old Alex does next season against a first-place schedule.

I'm guessing this team doesn't come close to 8-0 in 2014.

[TheGuardian]

Let's see how well old Alex does next season against a first-place schedule.

I'm guessing this team doesn't come close to 8-0 in 2014.

Well that cements us going 16-0.

[Bearcat]

Let's see how well old Alex does next season against a first-place schedule.

I'm guessing this team doesn't come close to 8-0 in 2014.

AFCE (Smith vs Smith!), NFCN, and the "first place schedule" will more than likely be Cincy and Indy replacing Buffalo and Indy (even though they'll play Buffalo again anyway).

[Hammock Parties]

AFCE (Smith vs Smith!), NFCN, and the "first place schedule" will more than likely be Cincy and Indy replacing Buffalo and Indy (even though they'll play Buffalo again anyway).

That sounds difficult, especially if the Jets and Dolphins continue to improve.

[O.city]

AFCE (Smith vs Smith!), NFCN, and the "first place schedule" will more than likely be Cincy and Indy replacing Buffalo and Indy (even though they'll play Buffalo again anyway).

I think we play the NFCW

[Bearcat]

I think we play the NFCW

Yeah, you're right... I was looking at 2011, but of course the NFC rotates every 4 years while the AFC rotates every 3... doh.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

I think we play the NFCW

NFC West AFC East and Cin or Balt Colts or Tenn

[l4z4rd]

Let's see how well old Alex does next season against a first-place schedule.

I'm guessing this team doesn't come close to 8-0 in 2014.

He didn't do too shabby with the Niner's schedule last season (at least through the first 8 1/4 games he played in before he suffered a concussion and subsequently lost his job).

[Marcellus]

Let's see how well old Alex does next season against a first-place schedule.

I'm guessing this team doesn't come close to 8-0 in 2014.

You are really arguing next years schedule while we are 8-0?

That's pretty much a white flag. Good job Clay.

[Halfcan]

7 voted for Geno and 3-5, that's pretty ****ed up.

:banghead: Battered fan syndrome- they are scared to win I guess. :doh!:

[Halfcan]

Exactly. I sincerely don't get the OMGWTF reaction to the thought of a rookie QB sitting a season or two and assimilating what it takes to play in the league. Luck and RGIII have completely skewed the expectations of what rookie QB's should be able to do.

Yep RG#3 played like a champ yesterday until he faked a knee injury and they put cuz in to throw easy picks instead-lol

[Hammock Parties]

You are really arguing next years schedule while we are 8-0?

That's pretty much a white flag. Good job Clay.

Clearly this year is a success, but likely not an ultimate success.

8-0 is soon forgotten if we go backwards.

And I will invoke the 2001 Bears as my example once again:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2001.htm

We're winning games the same way that team won games. Limited QB, great defense, huge contributions from special teams and defense in scoring...and the next year they took a giant step backwards because they really weren't that good.

[tk13]

Let's see how well old Alex does next season against a first-place schedule.

You, of 150,000+ posts on this forum, involved in football discussions for over 10 years, routinely acting like you're the smartest football poster on this board... seriously did not just post this.

[Marcellus]

Clearly this year is a success, but likely not an ultimate success.

8-0 is soon forgotten if we go backwards.

And I will invoke the 2001 Bears as my example once again:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2001.htm

We're winning games the same way that team won games. Limited QB, great defense, huge contributions from special teams and defense in scoring...and the next year they took a giant step backwards because they really weren't that good.

Yes the 2001 bears from 12 years ago are relevant. :doh!:

The truth is Smith played closer to this in 2010 then improved in 2011 after more time with the same players and offense.

That's a better comparison. But keep searching for something that fits your scenarios.

[RealSNR]

Shane Matthews was awesome

[BWillie]

Byeassed pole.

We wouldn't be 3-5 with Geno Smith. Probably more like 6-2 minimum.

Nonetheless, there are 20 QB's better than Alex Smith by my estimation.

[Hammock Parties]

Yes the 2001 bears from 12 years ago are relevant. :doh!:


We win games the same way they did.

[TripleThreat]

"Seeing as we barely win with the offense we have now" oh my fuking.... Would you rather it be "seeing as we almost always win with our offense" wtf we are winning games. The minute we put together a year where we don't go to the playoffs with Alex or we flat out look like garbage, call me. Till then just stfu with these threads.. I know I know ppl figured we woulda lost by now so they coulda screamed for the beheading of the qb but since we haven't be argument is clearly.. We barely win. It's better than losing.. And when playoffs come. In the 2 games that Alex had played in when it's playoffs he's been 500yds 5 tds 0 ints. 1 win 1 loss. Solid and clutch as fuk in the playoffs so if we win this way in regular season to get to the playoffs and then play way better in the playoffs to contend each year who gives a fuk???

[tk13]

As for the question... I think a 3-5 record is harsh. I'd probably say 4 to 6 wins with Geno at this point. Him and Alex both have 10 TDs on the season. Geno has 12 more turnovers though. That's fairly significant. We actually lead the league at +12 in turnovers, Geno would wipe that out by himself. Obviously those numbers wouldn't be exactly the same if you switched teams, but Geno has still made some costly decisions that have nothing to do with the talent he's playing with. So it's probably not unfair to say at least 4-4.

However, this isn't in a vacuum. If you're going to treat it like one... Geno isn't the only QB we'll ever be able to draft. He wasn't even taken in the 1st round. If you were talking about someone like Andrew Luck, then it might be better long term to be 3-5 with him. But you could say that the Chiefs can go 8-0 now and still acquire a similar talent in the late 1st round of the upcoming draft. Unless you believe that none of the QB's in the next 2-3 drafts are anywhere near Geno Smith, and you think Geno is an Andrew Luck type talent.

[Marcellus]

As for the question... I think a 3-5 record is harsh. I'd probably say 4 to 6 wins with Geno at this point. Him and Alex both have 10 TDs on the season. Geno has 12 more turnovers though. That's fairly significant. We actually lead the league at +12 in turnovers, Geno would wipe that out by himself. Obviously those numbers wouldn't be exactly the same if you switched teams, but Geno has still made some costly decisions that have nothing to do with the talent he's playing with. So it's probably not unfair to say at least 4-4.

However, this isn't in a vacuum. If you're going to treat it like one... Geno isn't the only QB we'll ever be able to draft. He wasn't even taken in the 1st round. If you were talking about someone like Andrew Luck, then it might be better long term to be 3-5 with him. But you could say that the Chiefs can go 8-0 now and still acquire a similar talent in the late 1st round of the upcoming draft. Unless you believe that none of the QB's in the next 2-3 drafts are anywhere near Geno Smith, and you think Geno is an Andrew Luck type talent.


Great take on it.

[-King-]

People saying Geno would be better here because of Reid are ignoring the fact that Reid didn't even want him in the first place. So maybe Reid knew that Geno wouldn't be good in the first place even with this coaching staff and team.
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[saphojunkie]

Everyone who voted for 3-5 needs to be banned immediately. Just for being fuckass retarded.

[BigCatDaddy]

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7 sec left at the 45 No time outs. No your right Jet wins without it. Dumbass!

Because nobody can get 10 yards and out of bounds in 7 seconds LMAO dipshit

If the Chiefs had the ball at the 45 with 7 seconds to go and no TO's with a field goal to win you shut the TV off? No. Not one mother ****er on the board says it's over, you bitch.

[HonestChieffan]

Geno will always be second rate. Get over it

[Eureka]

Geno sitting on the bench learning the offense behind Alex VS RT Fisher should be the poll.

[ChiefsCountry]

After you take away all the D/ST score the Chiefs O average 19.6 points a game. Do the same with Geno and the Jets average 17 points a game.

Chiefs still give up 12.3. Still looks like we would be winning.

[AlexSmithDynasty]

Chiefs still give up 12.3. Still looks like we would be winning.

Geno's numerous pick 6's and turnovers putting the defense in bad positions would greatly inflate that number.

[BossChief]

Poll fail.

We wouldn't be 3-5 with him. At worst we would be 5-3.

The level of talent on NY is t even close to the level of talent we have in KC.

This defense and special teams could absorb a few turnovers.

If the question is "would you rather be 5-3 with Geno or 8-0 with Alex Smith" I'd have to chose option a.

Geno might throw some picks (some are just stupid, some are reasonable rookie mistakes) but he also tests defenses by attacking all parts of the field, not just throws within 5 yards of the LOS. Avery was past his man and open for long tds twice yesterday and Fasano was wide open in the endzone.

Personally, I think this team would be rallying around the kid BIG TIME if we had drafted him and that our running game would be far more effective because teams would need to play us honest.

[Jerm]

:facepalm:

[Ace Gunner]

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[BossChief]

I know. It's bad to have patience in a rookie QB.

It is what it is. I'm happy with the direction of the team, but I would loved to have seen Geno under Reids coaching staff and with the talent we have in KC.

[Fritz88]

This poll is worth trolling.
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[Ace Gunner]

As for the question... I think a 3-5 record is harsh. I'd probably say 4 to 6 wins with Geno at this point. Him and Alex both have 10 TDs on the season. Geno has 12 more turnovers though. That's fairly significant. We actually lead the league at +12 in turnovers, Geno would wipe that out by himself. Obviously those numbers wouldn't be exactly the same if you switched teams, but Geno has still made some costly decisions that have nothing to do with the talent he's playing with. So it's probably not unfair to say at least 4-4.

However, this isn't in a vacuum. If you're going to treat it like one... Geno isn't the only QB we'll ever be able to draft. He wasn't even taken in the 1st round. If you were talking about someone like Andrew Luck, then it might be better long term to be 3-5 with him. But you could say that the Chiefs can go 8-0 now and still acquire a similar talent in the late 1st round of the upcoming draft. Unless you believe that none of the QB's in the next 2-3 drafts are anywhere near Geno Smith, and you think Geno is an Andrew Luck type talent.

good post. the only thing I would add is that if Geno Smith was behind this OL he'd probably be crap.

[-King-]

Chiefs still give up 12.3. Still looks like we would be winning.

Once again, you have to add in the points that Geno directly contributes to by his pick 6s and other turnovers.

[Eleazar]

Let's see how well old Alex does next season against a first-place schedule.

I'm guessing this team doesn't come close to 8-0 in 2014.

Predicting that an NFL team won't win 8 games in a row, way to go out on a limb.

[RealSNR]

People saying Geno would be better here because of Reid are ignoring the fact that Reid didn't even want him in the first place. So maybe Reid knew that Geno wouldn't be good in the first place even with this coaching staff and team.
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Link?

Also, TheBadGuy posted some news that Geno Smith was in the final 4 considerations for the #1 overall pick about a week before the draft.

If the Chiefs had a 2nd round pick, we probably would have taken him

[AussieChiefsFan]

Let's see how well old Alex does next season against a first-place schedule.

I'm guessing this team doesn't come close to 8-0 in 2014.

That's one helluva bold prediction there. :rolleyes:

[Eleazar]

Geno has 16 turnovers so far this year. That's 2 per game.

Go look at each game we've played and add in 2 extra turnovers, then try to tell us we'd still have a winning record.

Patently absurd

[-King-]

Link?

Also, TheBadGuy posted some news that Geno Smith was in the final 4 considerations for the #1 overall pick about a week before the draft.

If the Chiefs had a 2nd round pick, we probably would have taken him

Why would you think that?

[AussieChiefsFan]

Drugs are bad. Mkay.

http://i.imgur.com/HaEvaZ9.png

[splatbass]

Geno or otherwise, and if it was this year, next year, etc; I'll take the bigger risk now and some losses for the bigger reward later than a bunch of hollow "at least we aren't 2-14" wins.



It is a big, and baseless, assumption to think that there would be bigger rewards later with Geno Smith. It is just as likely that he would continue to fail.

And 8-0 is a hell of a lot better than "at least we aren't 2-14". We have been waiting for the chance, and this is it. The future is NOW, and there is no reason to believe we would be in this position any time if we had Geno.

[BossChief]

The real poll should be

"Would you rather be 8-0 with Eric Fisher or Geno Smith?"

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

The real poll should be

"Would you rather be 8-0 with Eric Fisher or Geno Smith?"

This.

[BossChief]

The real poll should be

"Would you rather be 8-0 with Eric Fisher or Geno Smith?"

Also, let's not act as if Geno hasn't had moments where he played at an extremely high level, either. He has his team at .500 at the halfway point and that team wasn't expected to win 4 games all year. He won offensive player of the week not long ago and is the most effective deep ball thrower in the league.

[AussieChiefsFan]

The real poll should be

"Would you rather be 8-0 with Eric Fisher or Geno Smith?"Intardasting.

[RealSNR]

Why would you think that?

Based on the report from TBG's source

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

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A diverse and highly intelligent crew.

[AussieChiefsFan]

A diverse and highly intelligent crew.If we were 3-5 right now with Geno and someone said to you, would you rather have Alex Smith and be undefeated....

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

If we were 3-5 right now with Geno and someone said to you, would you rather have Alex Smith and be undefeated....

I would tell them to shank their grandmother.

[AussieChiefsFan]

I would tell them to shank their grandmother.Damn, man.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Damn, man.

LMAO

[-King-]

LMAO I just saw what you did Molitoth. Get over it.

[lcarus]

My opinion is the same as it has always been. The best Geno can be is a little above average. He'll never be elite (just an opinion) so why worry about it. Could he eventually become better than Alex Smith? YES. But he's not the guy I want if we are to ever FINALLY draft and develop a QB. For now I'll just celebrate what we're doing with what we've got.

[Mav]

My opinion is the same as it has always been. The best Geno can be is a little above average. He'll never be elite (just an opinion) so why worry about it. Could he eventually become better than Alex Smith? YES. But he's not the guy I want if we are to ever FINALLY draft and develop a QB. For now I'll just celebrate what we're doing with what we've got.

pretty much. I honestly have never heard of fans being upset at their team being 8-0.

Shrugs. To each their own.

[lcarus]

pretty much. I honestly have never heard of fans being upset at their team being 8-0.

Shrugs. To each their own.

People still want what they want. Which is for us to pull the trigger on a young QB that can be elite for years to come. Understandable. I feel the same damn way. But in light of the current situation, I'm willing to put that shit on hold for now.

[DaneMcCloud]

I honestly have never heard of fans being upset at their team being 8-0.

This forum has been hijacked by trolls and buttfucks.

[DaneMcCloud]

People still want what they want. Which is for us to pull the trigger on a young QB that can be elite for years to come. Understandable. I feel the same damn way. But in light of the current situation, I'm willing to put that shit on hold for now.
Wow, how fucking noble of you

[Mav]

People still want what they want. Which is for us to pull the trigger on a young QB that can be elite for years to come. Understandable. I feel the same damn way. But in light of the current situation, I'm willing to put that shit on hold for now.

Im a have my cake and eat it too type.

Id rather have Alex Smith, with Tyler Bray developing, than to have Geno smith who isn't guaranteed to ever be elite, as you said.

Bray has as much chance as Geno to be elite.

[Mav]

This forum has been hijacked by trolls and butt****s.

sighs. Pretty much.

[lcarus]

Wow, how fucking noble of you

Whatever. You don't see me bitching around here.

[Phobia]

What if we had Geno on the bench, were still 8-0, but had Stephenson starting at RT?

We would be 9-0.

[lcarus]

We would be 9-0.

We'll likely be 9-0 anyway. :)

[AussieChiefsFan]

We would be 9-0.:)

[Sorter]

Wow, how fucking noble of you

ROFL

[Sorter]

We would be 9-0 with 0 sacks, hurries, hits, and pressures. Also, we'd have a 2,475 yards passing.

Fixed?

[splatbass]

Considering how they dominate every discussion on this forum, it is interesting to see that only 13 would take Geno in this scenario. They sure make a lot of noise for a few people.

[DaneMcCloud]

Considering how they dominate every discussion on this forum, it is interesting to see that only 13 would take Geno in this scenario. They sure make a lot of noise for a few people.

When you lead the league in turnovers and throw a pair of Pick Sixes on the way to to a 40 point loss, you gotta go with that guy every time.

[Discuss Thrower]

The Jets are at 4-4. If they lose out theyve exceeded the amount of wins the 1998 Colts had with Peyton Manning. They keep up at that pace they're the same record as the 2002 Charhers with Drew Brees. The win two more they've tied the 2004 Giants, and if they win no more than Geno has three more wins than Eli did.

In the next three or so years is Geno going to play to the level of Peyton from 1999 to 2001? Odds are, no. Brees until he got injured? Maybe not. Eli Manning from 2005 to 2008? Could he be any worse? What about Roethlisberger? Or Andy freaking Dalton?

You have to take a chance. It's better you go with the ghoul you're unsure of than the devil that you know well when it comes to QBs. We know Alex is a game manager who has to have an elite defense to win games in the regular season and hasn't overcome errors from the rest of the team to win in the postseason. We don't know that Geno is or is not a guy that can win games single handedly in weeks 1-17 and after. But you have to take that chance to determine or way or the other - otherwise a team is no better than the likes of Arizona, Minnesota or Buffalo (pre-2013) in acquiring other teams' castoffs to try and win.

[DaneMcCloud]

The Jets are at 4-4. If they lose out theyve exceeded the amount of wins the 1998 Colts had with Peyton Manning. They keep up at that pace they're the same record as the 2002 Charhers with Drew Brees. The win two more they've tied the 2004 Giants, and if they win no more than Geno has three more wins than Eli did.

In the next three or so years is Geno going to play to the level of Peyton from 1999 to 2001? Odds are, no. Brees until he got injured? Maybe not. Eli Manning from 2005 to 2008? Could he be any worse? What about Roethlisberger? Or Andy freaking Dalton?

You have to take a chance. It's better you go with the ghoul you're unsure of than the devil that you know well when it comes to QBs. We know Alex is a game manager who has to have an elite defense to win games in the regular season and hasn't overcome errors from the rest of the team to win in the postseason. We don't know that Geno is or is not a guy that can win games single handedly in weeks 1-17 and after. But you have to take that chance to determine or way or the other - otherwise a team is no better than the likes of Arizona, Minnesota or Buffalo (pre-2013) in acquiring other teams' castoffs to try and win.

No. You're talking out of your ass.

And shorten your prose.

Get to the fucking point more quickly.

[RobBlake]

i've never seen a QB overrated as much as Geno Smith as you guys do. WOW lol There are better QBs in this draft than last years.

[TOUCHDOWN!!! KC]

Who in the hell would want to be 3-5?
Pretty much my thoughts.

[HemiEd]

11 4th quarter comebacks and 13 game winning drives to date.

In how many years?

[HemiEd]

LMAO

He had TWO INT's for touchdowns yesterday alone.

JFC, he's been awful this year. They've won two games on shitty, fluke penalties which allowed them to kick field goals. They should be 2-6.

I realize you probably aren't up yet when the Jets play, due to all of them wild celebrity parties you are hosting, but have you even watched him? Yes, he is still a rookie half way through his first season, but he clearly has more talent than the Alex Smith.

[The Bad Guy]

I'm speechless at the absolute stupidity.

You do understand, that just because we didn't take Geno Smith, have Alex Smith currently means absolutely nothing for quarterback evaluation in future drafts right?

Wow. People would rather be 3-5 with their guy as opposed to 8-0 without. That right there tells you how fucking batshit crazy some of you are.

[HemiEd]

LOL people still think we should have drafted Geno with the Number 1 pick.

8-0 and still dreaming of geno- the next Rams backup.

Actually, if the 2nd round pick hadn't been traded for recyled reject #17, Geno would have been there. They still could have used the 1.1 on the SAFE PICK, Eric Fisher.

But don't let the facts get in your WAY Halfcan.

[HemiEd]

I'm speechless at the absolute stupidity.

You do understand, that just because we didn't take Geno Smith, have Alex Smith currently means absolutely nothing for quarterback evaluation in future drafts right?

Wow. People would rather be 3-5 with their guy as opposed to 8-0 without. That right there tells you how ****ing batshit crazy some of you are.

Did someone actually say they would rather be 3-5? Anyone that thinks this team would be 3-5 with Geno, and Alex Smith is the difference between 3-5 and 8-0 IS BATSHIT CRAZY.

[Saul Good]

Our offense is terrible with Alex Smith. It would likely be worse with Geno given his propensity to turn the ball over and give the other teams points through pick 6s and returned fumbles for TDs. So seeing as how we barely win with the offense we have now, we'd have likely lost more than a few games if we had Geno as our QB.

But would you rather take those growing pains with Geno, or be 8-0 with Alex and be in the driver seat toward a first round bye in the playoffs?

What would our Sagarin rating be with Geno. That is the important question.

[Mosbonian]

I'm speechless at the absolute stupidity.

You do understand, that just because we didn't take Geno Smith, have Alex Smith currently means absolutely nothing for quarterback evaluation in future drafts right?

Wow. People would rather be 3-5 with their guy as opposed to 8-0 without. That right there tells you how ****ing batshit crazy some of you are.

Frank....don't try and reason with people who can't see the big picture. The reality is that many teams passed on Geno Smith because they see something the Jets didn't. He could develop into a decent QB over time, but with all the pressure in NY I am seeing a rough year or 2 for him.

With all the right moves that Reid and Dorsey have made thus far I am more inclined to trust their judgment that Smith didn't have the tools for the Offense they want to build here.

But evidently some believe they have more insight than those 2.

[Mosbonian]

Did someone actually say they would rather be 3-5? Anyone that thinks this team would be 3-5 with Geno, and Alex Smith is the difference between 3-5 and 8-0 IS BATSHIT CRAZY.

No...I think Andy Reid is the difference between 3-5 and 8-0. And I guess I will trust his judgment that Geno wasn't the QB he wanted.

[Mosbonian]

Actually, if the 2nd round pick hadn't been traded for recyled reject #17, Geno would have been there. They still could have used the 1.1 on the SAFE PICK, Eric Fisher.

But don't let the facts get in your WAY Halfcan.

Actually you can't really say that with validity. If the Chiefs still had that pick it could have changed the draft mentality of all the teams. You can't say that with total surety anymore than I can say that he wouldn't have been there.

[Lex Luthor]

Did someone actually say they would rather be 3-5? Anyone that thinks this team would be 3-5 with Geno, and Alex Smith is the difference between 3-5 and 8-0 IS BATSHIT CRAZY.
Well, yeah, 15 people have responded to the poll and said they WOULD rather be 3-5 with Geno.

Add 16 turnovers, and it's entirely possible that the Chiefs would be 3-5. Only the most loyal Geno ballwashers don't understand that.

[BigCatDaddy]

Well, yeah, 15 people have responded to the poll and said they WOULD rather be 3-5 with Geno.

Add 16 turnovers, and it's entirely possible that the Chiefs would be 3-5. Only the most loyal Geno ballwashers don't understand that.

I picked 3-5, but I really don't believe that would be the record. I think it's probably 6-2 and he doesn't turn the ball over as much here.

I picked Geno because in the end I think Geno will be a top 10-12 QB in the NFL for a decade, so in the big picture view I picked having a top level QB for a decade over an 8-0 start to a season with possibly 1 playoff win. So yeah give me the QB to build around over a good regular season for 1 year.

Of course that's always been the problem with Chiefs fans as this poll clearly shows. They love that short term gratification of regular season wins over the few years of growing pains developing a QB that can take them to the next level down the line.

I also don't think it's just a "Geno" thing. I'm sure the poll would yield similar results if the questions was "Would you rather be 2-5(like the Redskins) with RG3 or would you rather be 8-0?"

FWIW I'd also rather be 3-5 with Tyler Bray gaining experience knowing the payoff could be huge for the next 10-15 years.

[Sandy Vagina]

RobBlake, scott free

wow... really?!? :doh!:

[luv]

I missed something. Why is King now called Luv?

[warrior]

I'm speechless at the absolute stupidity.

You do understand, that just because we didn't take Geno Smith, have Alex Smith currently means absolutely nothing for quarterback evaluation in future drafts right?

Wow. People would rather be 3-5 with their guy as opposed to 8-0 without. That right there tells you how ****ing batshit crazy some of you are.




Bumped for truth :hmmm:

[Lex Luthor]

I picked 3-5, but I really don't believe that would be the record. I think it's probably 6-2 and he doesn't turn the ball over as much here.

I picked Geno because in the end I think Geno will be a top 10-12 QB in the NFL for a decade, so in the big picture view I picked having a top level QB for a decade over an 8-0 start to a season with possibly 1 playoff win. So yeah give me the QB to build around over a good regular season for 1 year.

Of course that's always been the problem with Chiefs fans as this poll clearly shows. They love that short term gratification of regular season wins over the few years of growing pains developing a QB that can take them to the next level down the line.
Believe it or not, we are not as far apart as you might think. I wanted the Chiefs to draft Geno, but I am fine with Andy Reid making his own decision. At 8-0, Reid is clearly better at picking a quarterback than Pioli/Haley/Crennel were. Geno has played well enough this year that I wish he were on the Chiefs roster as QBOTF, and it could have easily happened. I do think Alex Smith was a good choice to bring immediate stability to a 2-14 team, and I disagree with your position that the Chiefs would be 6-2 with Geno. But, like probably everyone else right now, I sure do wish they had drafted Geno instead of Eric Fischer, and put him on the bench to learn behind Alex Smith.

[KINGPIN CHIEFS FAN]

8-0 with Alex Smith and Tyler Bray learning from the sidelines is a thousand times better than whatever record Geno Smith would have with us this year. Alex gets the lead every week in the first half and then gets very conservative with his throws and lets the defense dominate and force mistakes. That's a winning formula. Sure he could take chances in the second half of games to extend the lead but why would he. Andy and Alex plus this defense will break our string of 1st round playoff losses this year.

[luv]

8-0 with Alex Smith and Tyler Bray learning from the sidelines is a thousand times better than whatever record Geno Smith would have with us this year. Alex gets the lead every week in the first half and then gets very conservative with his throws and lets the defense dominate and force mistakes. That's a winning formula. Sure he could take chances in the second half of games to extend the lead but why would he. Andy and Alex plus this defense will break our string of 1st round playoff losses this year.

Never play not to lose.

It's not a strategy. Reid likes short passes and YAC. Pretty soon, that lead will no longer be good for a half.

[TripleThreat]

Of course that's always been the problem with Chiefs fans as this poll clearly shows. They love that short term gratification of regular season wins over the few years of growing pains developing a QB that can take them to the next level down the line.

Your a idiot. Get me Andrew luck and I will take the growing pains as they come. Give Andy Reid and company more than just one draft before u think our new regime will never look at drafting a qb again. They just traded for Alex they weren't going to draft a qb in the early rounds again like the 49ers and say we brought u in to be a stop gap.