Gunman opens fire inside Los Angeles International Airport Terminal

[Mr. Laz]

LAX shooting: Gunman opens fire inside Los Angeles International Airport Terminal 3

At least two people were injured in California after a gunman opened fire with a rifle at a security checkpoint. An evacuation is underway and the LAPD is on the scene.

BY NANCY DILLON (http://www.nydailynews.com/authors?author=Nancy%20Dillon)AND JOE KEMP (http://www.nydailynews.com/authors?author=Joe%20Kemp)/ NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

PUBLISHED: FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 1, 2013, 12:45 PM

UPDATED: FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 1, 2013, 1:58 PM


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At least two people were shot when a gunman opened fire inside a busy terminal at Los Angeles International Airport.



At least two people, including a TSA worker, were shot when a gunman opened fire inside a busy terminal at Los Angeles International Airport, according to a report.
The shooter apparently confronted the security worker before firing a round in the man's leg and squeezing off several shots inside Terminal 3 about 9:30 a.m., NBC Los Angeles reported (http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Los-Angeles-Airport-LAX-Shooting-230220201.html).
At least one other person was shot before authorities managed to nab the suspect, who was reportedly armed with a rifle.
“There looks to be a rifle on the floor guarded by a police officer,” one person tweeted with a picture of the weapon (https://twitter.com/pascaljosh/status/396329846462099458/photo/1).
It was not immediately clear how badly the two people were hurt or if any other victims were shot in the gunfire. The victims are 25 and 29, NBC LA reported (https://twitter.com/MekahloNBCLA/status/396330663575445504).
One person was being treated for a sprained ankle.
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Police ran a man out of LAX after a shooting Friday.


Brian Adamick, 43, told the Los Angeles Times (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-live-lax-shooting-tsa-agent-alleged-gunman-shot-20131101,0,3517669.story#axzz2jPydh2Fr) he was about to board a flight for Chicago at Gate 32 when he saw a crowd of people running away from the security area.
He followed a group of people through an emergency exit outside.
“While I was on the tarmac, I heard two gunshots from the same area where the people had been running and screaming,” he told the paper (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-live-lax-shooting-tsa-agent-alleged-gunman-shot-20131101,0,3517669.story#axzz2jPydh2Fr).
He said he boarded a bus that came later to pick up the stranded passengers and boarded with a TSA agent bleeding from his ankle.
“I got shot, I’m fine,” the agent told him.
“It looked like it was straight out of the movies,” he told the newspaper (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-live-lax-shooting-tsa-agent-alleged-gunman-shot-20131101,0,3517669.story#axzz2jPydh2Fr).



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[In58men]

Baaaaaaaaaa

[loochy]

k

[CaliforniaChief]

Crazy stuff. The area around LAX is absolutely slammed.

[The Franchise]

That's going to fuck up flights across the country.

[CaliforniaChief]

The problem is that the horseshoe design makes it impossible to get to the other terminals. So even if the other ones are secure, you just can't get there.

[Donger]

California obviously needs some gun laws, then stuff like this wouldn't happen.

[saphojunkie]

That's going to **** up flights across the country.

Try the world. It was terminal 3.

[Donger]

The problem is that the horseshoe design makes it impossible to get to the other terminals. So even if the other ones are secure, you just can't get there.

I hate LAX. I'm SBA bound now.

[saphojunkie]

California obviously needs some gun laws, then stuff like this wouldn't happen.

Shut the **** up.

[Chaunceythe3rd]

Here we go again. Ban guns, ban ammunition, etc. Obama will probable weigh in to divert attention from the disaster that is Obamacare. Feinstein and Boxer will be right beside him at the podium.

[Donger]

Shut the **** up.

LMAO

[CaliforniaChief]

Try the world. It was terminal 3.

Terminal 3 isn't the Tom Bradley Int'l Terminal...but the point remains that you can't get there without going past 3...and nobody's allowed in.

[ptlyon]

Anybody hear from Dane lately?

[CaliforniaChief]

LMAO at the media. "We're hearing reports that it was a blonde-haired male wearing camo who was targeting TSA agents."

[The Franchise]

LMAO at the media. "We're hearing reports that it was a blonde-haired male wearing camo who was targeting TSA agents."

Well we can safely assume he wasn't Asian.

[Strongside]

Hootie?

[ptlyon]

Hootie?

:hmmm:

[ModSocks]

LMAO at the media. "We're hearing reports that it was a blonde-haired male wearing camo who was targeting TSA agents."

Ban blondes.

[Donger]

Anybody hear from Dane lately?

I don't think that Dane owns any firearms.

[ptlyon]

Ban blondes.

Not Blondes with Firearms. That's a great band.

[mikey23545]

Anybody hear from Dane lately?

I'm pretty sure he doesn't own a rifle.

[Ace Gunner]

Ban LAX

Srsly I avoid LAX

[CaliforniaChief]

I really don't mind LAX. Never really had a problem there. Of course I'm not traveling today, either.

[Frazod]

Get this to the press so they can accurately evaluate the weapon!

http://www.gunssavelife.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Humor_funny_journalists_guide_to_firearms_ak47_glock.jpg

[Predarat]

That kind of weird, they do not allow guns in the Dallas Airport, and they are gun central in Texas. You would think in a leftest state like Cali they would not be allowed there either.

[Rausch]

That kind of weird, they do not allow guns in the Dallas Airport, and they are gun central in Texas. You would think in a leftest state like Cali they would not be allowed there either.

The people sending me though the metal detector in big Tex didn't even fucking speak english...

[CaliforniaChief]

Ha! Frazod you called it. The people on Fox in LA just acknowledged that a caller set them straight on the gun they were trying to identify.

[Dave Lane]

It's "No Russian"....


One of the greatest scenes ever...

[DaneMcCloud]

That's going to fuck up flights across the country.

I've got a good friend stuck on the runway at JFK.

How do you get past the metal detectors with weapon, let alone, a gun?

[Frazod]

I've got a good friend stuck on the runway at JFK.

How do you get past the metal detectors with weapon, let alone, a gun?

FoxNews says suspect may be a former or current TSA goon-er, I mean, employee.

And if he was only targeting other TSA employees, really, is there any harm in that?

[ptlyon]

"I TOLD YOU NOT TO TOUCH ME THERE!!!"

[DaneMcCloud]

FoxNews says suspect may be a former or current TSA goon-er, I mean, employee.

And if he was only targeting other TSA employees, really, is there any harm in that?

Ah, okay.


Holy shit, he did kill a TSA agent.

[Frazod]

Ah, okay.

He's also a dead former TSA agent.

:D

That's the best thing to do with them.

[ptlyon]

Ah, okay.

He's also a dead former TSA agent.

:D

OMG they didn't shoot him did they? :doh!:

[CaliforniaChief]

Press conference coming soon...are we sure he actually got past security? You can inflict a lot of carnage before you ever have to show anything.

[CaliforniaChief]

Phil Dunphy....errrrrrr Mayor Garcetti speaking now.

[DaneMcCloud]

OMG they didn't shoot him did they? :doh!:

He was wounded but killed a TSA agent.

[CaliforniaChief]

That guy that they rolled out in the blue shirt...and then stripped him before putting him in the ambulance...he didn't look like he had a lot of life.

[CaliforniaChief]

Holy shit, he DID get past security. Basically just shot his way through into the active terminal.

[BlackHelicopters]

I can't figure out how theses guys get past security with a gun. Defies logic.

[Strongside]

"Sir, you cannot take live rounds onto the flight."

"Well, shit. I guess I'd better use them while I can!"

[CaliforniaChief]

I can't figure out how theses guys get past security with a gun. Defies logic.

It sounds like he basically shot his way through. The shooting started below the escalator, before he went up to the security area.

[Predarat]

I'm not for shooting people, but if you MUST shoot someone, shoot a TSA agent.

[CaliforniaChief]

I'm not for shooting people, but if you MUST shoot someone, shoot a TSA agent.

I hope my sarcasm meter is just on the fritz here.

[DaneMcCloud]

Why the TSA hate?

[ptlyon]

Sounds like the mayor had lots to say...

[Rausch]

Why the TSA hate?

:spock:

[DaneMcCloud]

:spock:

Seriously, why the TSA hate?

In the last decade, I've flown to JFK a dozen times, probably two dozen times to Cabo as well as Cancun, Tahiti, Vancouver, Germany, Italy and countless times to NoCal and KC.

I've never had an issue.

[CaliforniaChief]

So hate the TSA and whatever...I have no problem with that. Heck, I think it's ineffective and doesn't really make us any more secure at all.

But these agents are just working. Any sense of hatred towards those individuals is just moronic.

[Kiimo]

Anybody hear from Dane lately?

He's been in LA long enough to know to fly Burbank only.

[DaneMcCloud]

He's been in LA long enough to know to fly Burbank only.

LMAO

When possible, absolutely.

[CaliforniaChief]

Dane? Hell, he probably flies out of Santa Monica where all the private charters go. :D

[Donger]

Seriously, why the TSA hate?

In the last decade, I've flown to JFK a dozen times, probably two dozen times to Cabo as well as Cancun, Tahiti, Vancouver, Germany, Italy and countless times to NoCal and KC.

I've never had an issue.

The vast majority are just fine.

[mike_b_284]

BAN.....wait for it


























airports

[DaneMcCloud]

Wow, JFC.

He walked into LAX with a hidden AR15, started opening fire while going up the stairs through security and the airport police went into immediate response past the shops and into Terminal 3.

That's a some scary shit.

[Marcellus]

I guess its cool to shoot meter readers too.

WTF people.

[ptlyon]

I guess its cool to shoot meter readers too.


Less points

[Rausch]

Seriously, why the TSA hate?

In the last decade, I've flown to JFK a dozen times, probably two dozen times to Cabo, Cancun, Tahiti, Vancouver, countless times to NoCal and KC.

I've never had an issue.

I'll just take 1 point and run with it: they don't even attempt to keep us safe.

You don't allow 11 ME people in and then strip search an 80 year old black woman.

You know why every cop show profiles people?

It works.

White people eat and fuck dead people.

Black people and Latinos (generally) don't.

Drive by shooting?

Probably not cracker-white or any of the cat-cookers.

Dead body with odd $3it carved in it?

That's the pale face or yellow man.

And for the record profiling does work, for the most part keeps us safe, and the TSA purposely ignores it and wet-farts in it's face...

[KC native]

Why the TSA hate?

Because the internet tough guy gun nuts have to appear tough and bcuz 'Muuurica.

[KC native]

I'll just take 1 point and run with it: they don't even attempt to keep us safe.

You don't allow 11 ME people in and then strip search an 80 year old black woman.

You know why every cop show profiles people?

It works.

White people eat and fuck dead people.

Black people and Latinos (generally) don't.

Drive by shooting?

Probably not cracker-white or any of the cat-cookers.

Dead body with odd $3it carved in it?

That's the pale face or yellow man.

And for the record profiling does work, for the most part keeps us safe, and the TSA purposely ignores it and wet-farts in it's face...

ROFL @ cop shows profiling people. Real world law enforcement doesn't work like a TV show.

[KC native]

And I see the still not funny "ban xyz" meme still resonates with the idiots.

[Rausch]

ROFL @ cop shows profiling people. Real world law enforcement doesn't work like a TV show.

It does more than you think (relative to profiling...)

[Rausch]

Because the internet tough guy gun nuts have to appear tough and bcuz 'Muuurica.

No, because the increased restrictions don't do anything to stop violence...

[BWillie]

God I hate white people. Always shootin up public places for no god damn reason.

[DaneMcCloud]

You don't allow 11 ME people in and then strip search an 80 year old black woman.


Dude, the TSA didn't exist on 9/11/2001.

[KC native]

It does more than you think (relative to profiling...)

No it doesn't. Racial profiling is extremely ineffective method of policing.

[Imon Yourside]

Dude, the TSA didn't exist on 9/11/2001.

I think he's talking about everyday stuff and the lack of profiling.

[Marcellus]

No, because the increased restrictions don't do anything to stop violence...

You do realize that you have absolutely no evidence to back this opinion up right?


Have we had another plane hijacked that I missed somewhere?

[Rausch]

No it doesn't. Racial profiling is extremely ineffective method of policing.

Race falls into but is never the largest part of profiling.

It'll always end that way because it's fucking science.

You don't look for 98 year old Asian women in a mugging case.

Why?

Common fucking sense...

[Rausch]

You do realize that you have absolutely no evidence to back this opinion up right?


Have we had another plane hijacked that I missed somewhere?

And you do realize that you have absolutely no evidence to back up this is related to the new TSA methods and tactics?

Right?

[BlackHelicopters]

Ban international airport terminals

[KC native]

Race falls into but is never the largest part of profiling.

It'll always end that way because it's fucking science.

You don't look for 98 year old Asian women in a mugging case.

Why?

Common fucking sense...

I guess you watch enough cop shows that it qualifies you to be an expert in law enforcement matters ROFL

[Ace Gunner]

Why the TSA hate?

because they are a waste of money and civilian time. and, because most of them are sheep.

[Imon Yourside]

Give security back to the Airlines please.

[Rausch]

I guess you watch enough cop shows that it qualifies you to be an expert in law enforcement matters ROFL

Or I grew up in a family of law enforcement and I'm currently a corrections officer...

[Rausch]

Give security back to the Airlines please.

:thumb:

[Ace Gunner]

Give security back to the Airlines please.

and give nuthouses staffed with real medical doctors back to the public. really, it's a fucking safety issue. duh. cannot fucking believe the blatant disregard for public safety in this stupid ass country.

[Predarat]

They Steal Allyourshit

[stevieray]

Or I grew up in a family of law enforcement and I'm currently a corrections officer...

pfffft... you're not half white with a 'murica chip on your shoulder.

[Rausch]

and give nuthouses staffed with real medical doctors back to the public. really, it's a ****ing safety issue. duh. cannot ****ing believe the blatant disregard for public safety in this stupid ass country.

What?

[Rausch]

pfffft... you're not half white with a 'murica chip on your shoulder.

Yeah, fucking reason introduced = you're not (insert slam here.)

[Marcellus]

And you do realize that you have absolutely no evidence to back up this is related to the new TSA methods and tactics?

Right?

So whats your suggestion? What is TSA doing that needs to be stopped in your opinion.

Fix it for us man.

[Dayze]

this would never happen if they searched all vehicles at a checkpoint.


~

[Donger]

this would never happen if they searched all vehicles at a checkpoint.


~

Which happened after 9/11 for a while. What a pain in the ass.

[Rausch]

So whats your suggestion? What is TSA doing that needs to be stopped in your opinion.

Fix it for us man.

Hire only American citizens without criminal records.

PROFILE PEOPLE who want to hurt your passengers. (This includes whitey nutbags, ME terrorists, coked out pro sports athletes, etc. IT'S NOT FUCKING HARD TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THEM!)

Just switch this to a Wal-Mart and they're trying to prevent theft on Mylie Cyrus albums.

Now who are you looking for? Who are you searching? Who gets looked at more?

[KC native]

Or I grew up in a family of law enforcement and I'm currently a corrections officer...

I grew up in a law enforcement family as well. Several of my family members have worked for and retired from the KCPD.

[KC native]

pfffft... you're not half white with a 'murica chip on your shoulder.

hey the judgemental tranny decides to join in and hang from my short and curlies today too. How Christly of you suzie.

[CrazyPhuD]

Hire only American citizens without criminal records.

PROFILE PEOPLE who want to hurt your passengers. (This includes whitey nutbags, ME terrorists, coked out pro sports athletes, etc. IT'S NOT FUCKING HARD TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THEM!)

Just switch this to a Wal-Mart and they're trying to prevent theft on Mylie Cyrus albums.

Now who are you looking for? Who are you searching? Who gets looked at more?

Just FYI 'profiling' doesn't always mean racial(and yes I remember the BS post 9-11 when EVERYONE who wasn't white was 'randomly' selected for secondary screening). When it comes to aircraft the Israelis have been doing this since the 70s. It is remarkably effective, but in the US racial profiling has created an aversion to any profiling. What they often use is behavioral profiling, they are taught to spot behaviors that may look innocuous but indicate something may be up.

[Kiimo]

I'm not for shooting people, but if you MUST shoot someone, shoot a TSA agent.

Hey buddy I hope you feel like a huge asshole when I post this email that just went around my building...

I am sorry to tell you that ***'s husband, who worked for the TSA at LAX, was shot and died from his wounds before he got to hospital.

Please let anybody who you think knows **** in your department know.

She is going to need every bit of support all of us can give her.

Best regards,
Fiona.

[KC native]

Just FYI 'profiling' doesn't always mean racial(and yes I remember the BS post 9-11 when EVERYONE who wasn't white was 'randomly' selected for secondary screening). When it comes to aircraft the Israelis have been doing this since the 70s. It is remarkably effective, but in the US racial profiling has created an aversion to any profiling. What they often use is behavioral profiling, they are taught to spot behaviors that may look innocuous but indicate something may be up.

Behavioral profiling is very effective.

[Rausch]

When it comes to aircraft the Israelis have been doing this since the 70s. It is remarkably effective, but in the US racial profiling has created an aversion to any profiling.

Exactly.

So do it.

[CaliforniaChief]

There's disagreement with TSA's existence, philosophies, and protocol. And I concur with a lot of the disagreement.

But then there's respect for the person who just went to work on the wrong day in the wrong place.

[Rausch]

Behavioral profiling is very effective.

That would work in most cases...

[saphojunkie]

There's disagreement with TSA's existence, philosophies, and protocol. And I concur with a lot of the disagreement.

But then there's respect for the person who just went to work on the wrong day in the wrong place.

That person is my coworker's husband. And he just died.

[stevieray]

hey the judgemental tranny decides to join in and hang from my short and curlies today too. How Christly of you suzie.

truth hurt, Race Card?

[KC native]

truth hurt, Race Card?

You are a supreme douche. You going to whine and "retire" FDE again when the new Chiefs administration won't give you discounted tickets?

[DaneMcCloud]

That person is my coworker's husband. And he just died.

That's awful.

[stevieray]

You are a supreme douche. You going to whine and "retire" FDE again when the new Chiefs administration won't give you discounted tickets?

prove it....you can't..you won't.

...now run away from the truth some more.

[A Salt Weapon]

There's disagreement with TSA's existence, philosophies, and protocol. And I concur with a lot of the disagreement.

But then there's respect for the person who just went to work on the wrong day in the wrong place.

Negative, tsa is a joke, the employees and administration is a joke, the employees know that their employment is nothing more than another form of welfare. They chose to take a tax payer funded job knowing that it is nothing more than another form of a gov't handout, I have no sympathy for such an individual and neither should anyone else in this country. Such a fraudulent waste of tax dollars should be criminal and anyone partaking in it should be charged with theft.

[saphojunkie]

Negative, tsa is a joke, the employees and administration is a joke, the employees know that their employment is nothing more than another form of welfare. They chose to take a tax payer funded job knowing that it is nothing more than another form of a gov't handout, I have no sympathy for such an individual and neither should anyone else in this country. Such a fraudulent waste of tax dollars should be criminal and anyone partaking in it should be charged with theft.

Go fuck yourself, you piece of shit.

[Bearcat]

Nothing like innocent people dying to get people jumping on their soap boxes.

[Donger]

Negative, tsa is a joke, the employees and administration is a joke, the employees know that their employment is nothing more than another form of welfare. They chose to take a tax payer funded job knowing that it is nothing more than another form of a gov't handout, I have no sympathy for such an individual and neither should anyone else in this country. Such a fraudulent waste of tax dollars should be criminal and anyone partaking in it should be charged with theft.

:spock:

[A Salt Weapon]

Go **** yourself, you piece of shit.
:thumb:
Don't care.

[Marcellus]

Exactly.

So do it.

They already do it.

They pull 90 year old granny over to give the impression to your crazy ass and the bad guys that they are randomly selecting people. See how that works?

My brother looks like he could be Arabic or of not American decent, though he is not. He travels a lot and travels extremely light and with 1 way tickets quiet a bit.

He regularly gets pulled aside for additional search.

[Dayze]

They already do it.

They pull 90 year old granny over to give the impression to your crazy ass and the bad guys that they are randomly selecting people. See how that works?

My brother looks like he could be Arabic or of not American decent, though he is not. He travels a lot and travels extremely light and with 1 way tickets quiet a bit.

He regularly gets pulled aside for additional search.

how well do you know your brother? How long have you known him? :hmmm:

[Marcellus]

how well do you know your brother? How long have you known him? :hmmm:

I guess my mother could have been the original terorist and I was born and raised as a decoy while my brothers were trained to fight for Jihad.

Anythings possible, at least many people here seem to think so.

[T-post Tom]

Well we can safely assume he wasn't Asian.

http://cdimg3.crunchyroll.com/i/spire2/09042008/1/e/7/b/1e7b93e92d0020_full.jpg

[Sassy Squatch]

http://i.imgur.com/NCSBEVG.gif

[Kiimo]

:thumb:
Don't care.

You're a giant moron.

[A Salt Weapon]

http://i.imgur.com/NCSBEVG.gif

ROFL

[A Salt Weapon]

You're a giant moron.

Yeah probably. However I can't seem to find a care that someone used a firearm in one of the most oppressive states for firearm possession (california), in one of the most oppressive industries for firearm possession (airports).
Forgive me for not giving a fuck. Maybe shit like this might wake up some of the sheep to realize that govt will not protect them and they have been regulating and restricting the wrong thing. Another shooting in a gun-free zone.......surprise.

[J Diddy]

Yeah probably. However I can't seem to find a care that someone used a firearm in one of the most oppressive states for firearm possession (california), in one of the most oppressive industries for firearm possession (airports).
Forgive me for not giving a fuck. Maybe shit like this might wake up some of the sheep to realize that govt will not protect them and they have been regulating and restricting the wrong thing. Another shooting in a gun-free zone.......surprise.

Nah, you're still a giant moron.

[Bump]

Mark it down: TSA agents will wind up getting guns after this...and, it will be a giant clusterfuck.

[jerryforeverrice80]

cali has guns who would have thought.

[Demonpenz]

ban assault weapons.

[CrazyPhuD]

Yeah probably. However I can't seem to find a care that someone used a firearm in one of the most oppressive states for firearm possession (california), in one of the most oppressive industries for firearm possession (airports).
Forgive me for not giving a fuck. Maybe shit like this might wake up some of the sheep to realize that govt will not protect them and they have been regulating and restricting the wrong thing. Another shooting in a gun-free zone.......surprise.

The problem is that you cannot enlighten the unconscious and this won't be a wake up call for the bigots who run much of the California government, instead they will try to use it to market against the people they hate.

That said right now you are helping them to market. No one deserves to die, especially just trying to do his job. Yes the TSA may be functionally useless to prevent incidents and likely violates many of the principles this country stands for, BUT there are much bigger fish to fry, they are a small issue in comparison.

Being insensitive reflects poorly on everyone else associated with what you would like to support and helps the bigots market to those in the middle that all are out on the extreme. Sometimes the best strategy is to say nothing, even if you feel the way you do.

No loss of life should be used as marketing to push any agenda either pro or con.

[CrazyPhuD]

ban assault weapons.

While you're likely NOT serious:p the reality is that weapon as pictured was already banned in California. Since banning it 10X won't prevents incidents like this what do you do now?

The motivation of CA politicians has NEVER been about fighting crime when it comes to guns. It has always been about pushing a moral agenda. The fight that California is making isn't about reducing crime it's about criminalizing being a gun owner because they don't morally approve of ANYONE owning guns.

Case in point, certain cities in California, led by San Francisco, are pushing to make it a misdemeanor for anyone(including retired LEOs) to own a magazine capacity > 10 rounds. They claim this is about crime and it will be a 'deterrent'.

NYTimes did a survey recently of criminal shootings, they found that >90% of all the people prosecuted had extensive criminal history. It's safe to say for 85+% of those people it would have been a felony to even possess ANY gun regardless of the capacity of a magazine.

If it's already a felony to posses a firearm by most criminals involved in shooting and it STILL doesn't deter them, how will adding a misdemeanor based on the capacity of the magazine deter them further? Simply put it won't, adding a misdemeanor to a crime that's already a FELONY will have no added deterrence.

So if it's not about deterring crime then what it is about? Frankly who's going to be affected more by said regulation, criminals(which it won't deter) or a much larger number of otherwise legal gun owners?

In all cases these laws could be narrowly written to directly target crime. They aren't because crime isn't the target, gun owners are. So they make these laws as broad as possible so the vast majority of people affected by them are otherwise lawful citizens.

This isn't a left or right issue, this a power and politicians issue. On the left they morally object to ANYONE owning guns so they make it a crime to do so. On the right they object to anyone getting an abortion and so they make it a crime to do so.

At some point we have to tell both sides to stop making it a crime to disagree with your moral point of view.

[lewdog]

How is Salt weapon not in the red yet??

CP, I am disappointed.

[2bikemike]

While you're likely NOT serious:p the reality is that weapon as pictured was already banned in California. Since banning it 10X won't prevents incidents like this what do you do now?

The motivation of CA politicians has NEVER been about fighting crime when it comes to guns. It has always been about pushing a moral agenda. The fight that California is making isn't about reducing crime it's about criminalizing being a gun owner because they don't morally approve of ANYONE owning guns.

Case in point, certain cities in California, led by San Francisco, are pushing to make it a misdemeanor for anyone(including retired LEOs) to own a magazine capacity > 10 rounds. They claim this is about crime and it will be a 'deterrent'.

NYTimes did a survey recently of criminal shootings, they found that >90% of all the people prosecuted had extensive criminal history. It's safe to say for 85+% of those people it would have been a felony to even possess ANY gun regardless of the capacity of a magazine.

If it's already a felony to posses a firearm by most criminals involved in shooting and it STILL doesn't deter them, how will adding a misdemeanor based on the capacity of the magazine deter them further? Simply put it won't, adding a misdemeanor to a crime that's already a FELONY will have no added deterrence.

So if it's not about deterring crime then what it is about? Frankly who's going to be affected more by said regulation, criminals(which it won't deter) or a much larger number of otherwise legal gun owners?

In all cases these laws could be narrowly written to directly target crime. They aren't because crime isn't the target, gun owners are. So they make these laws as broad as possible so the vast majority of people affected by them are otherwise lawful citizens.

This isn't a left or right issue, this a power and politicians issue. On the left they morally object to ANYONE owning guns so they make it a crime to do so. On the right they object to anyone getting an abortion and so they make it a crime to do so.

At some point we have to tell both sides to stop making it a crime to disagree with your moral point of view.

First off I agree with your post. I have not seen a picture of the gun and have no knowledge of what the gun was that he used. But I would like to know why you think it was already an illegal firearm in Calif? Because you can own an AR-15 in the State. All be it with a huge amount of Caveats.

[loochy]

ban assault weapons.

No, ban a salt weapon.

[Kaepernick]

No, ban a salt weapon.

They have them, you know.

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[Chief Roundup]

This is probably heading to DC forum.

[lcarus]

Lots of shit for the media to talk about with this. TSA, guns, crazy people, TSA, guns, guns, "assault rifles", celebrities who were present, guns. Rachel Maddow's cock is probably hard as diamond. Anderson Cooper's vagina is probably dripping wet. Poor Chris Matthews wishes he had genitalia of any kind right now, the weird muppet.

[CrazyPhuD]

First off I agree with your post. I have not seen a picture of the gun and have no knowledge of what the gun was that he used. But I would like to know why you think it was already an illegal firearm in Calif? Because you can own an AR-15 in the State. All be it with a huge amount of Caveats.

The picture showed an AR platform with collapsible stock, pistol grip and next to it what looked like a standard capacity magazine. It's highly likely that either A the AR didn't have a 'fixed' magazine or B the magazine was > 10(if not both). Either would make the firearm a felony in CA(double combined that he was 23 and born in NJ).

[SAUTO]

That person is my coworker's husband. And he just died.

You work with kimosabi?
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[2bikemike]

The picture showed an AR platform with collapsible stock, pistol grip and next to it what looked like a standard capacity magazine. It's highly likely that either A the AR didn't have a 'fixed' magazine or B the magazine was > 10(if not both). Either would make the firearm a felony in CA(double combined that he was 23 and born in NJ).

But if he had a bullet button to release the magazine it would be considered a fixed magazine. There are also many magazines available that appear to be a standard magazine but in fact only hold 10 rounds. The fact that he was born in NJ and 23 would not disqualify him from owning.

If you would like a good laugh or cry try following the Flow Chart in the link.

http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf

[notorious]

:(

[notorious]

What kind of gun was used? sigh

[Kiimo]

You work with kimosabi?
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:fear:

[2bikemike]

Well we had the kid shot and killed by police who had a toy gun , now we have this. So thats twice I have had to calm down a family membe this week . Thanksgiving and Xmas could really be a bear this year . I really wonder how long until they start a gun grab ?

3-2-1

[DaneMcCloud]

:fear:

Who's The Boss?

:D

[Red Dawg]

Did he shoot a black guy? If he did there will be a riot. The Kardashians should get in there and make peace using their fake ass celebrity status and fat daughters.

[Imon Yourside]

Hire only American citizens without criminal records.

PROFILE PEOPLE who want to hurt your passengers. (This includes whitey nutbags, ME terrorists, coked out pro sports athletes, etc. IT'S NOT ****ING HARD TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THEM!)

Just switch this to a Wal-Mart and they're trying to prevent theft on Mylie Cyrus albums.

Now who are you looking for? Who are you searching? Who gets looked at more?

So Barry Switzer can't fly anymore?

[Saulbadguy]

Yet another reason it pays to have lounge passes.

[Chief Roundup]

How about we make it mandatory that everyone has a psychological evaluation? After all we are all going to have insurance now.

[notorious]

The picture showed an AR platform with collapsible stock, pistol grip and next to it what looked like a standard capacity magazine. It's highly likely that either A the AR didn't have a 'fixed' magazine or B the magazine was > 10(if not both). Either would make the firearm a felony in CA(double combined that he was 23 and born in NJ).

Your information can't be correct.

[notorious]

The picture showed an AR platform with collapsible stock, pistol grip and next to it what looked like a standard capacity magazine. It's highly likely that either A the AR didn't have a 'fixed' magazine or B the magazine was > 10(if not both). Either would make the firearm a felony in CA(double combined that he was 23 and born in NJ).

Your information can't be correct.

It is illegal to have that kind of rifle in a Gun-Free zone, much less CA.

The shooter wouldn't have used that rifle knowing he was breaking the law.