Big Ben wants out of Pitt because Haley sucks is the reason

[Red Dawg]

http://www.nfl.com/ Lol. Haley the loser. We called it.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

It's not just because of Haley they said on NFLN.

[Bugeater]

B-b-b-b-but ChiefsandO'sdouche said he would be a good coach someday!

[Chiefs Pantalones]

@RapSheet: I said on #NFLGameDay: Ben Roethlisberger isn’t happy with the current #Steelers situation. And it’s not just Todd Haley among the coaches.

[Deberg_1990]

But I thought Haley was gonna turn another team into Super Bowl winners someday? I heard it here on Chiefsplanet.

[Direckshun]

Well?

Would anybody here give him a look?

Roethlisberger, next year, with our defense mostly in tact. Thoughts?

[BlackHelicopters]

Lock up your women.

[TribalElder]

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[nychief]

Well?

Would anybody here give him a look?

Roethlisberger, next year, with our defense mostly in tact. Thoughts?

Why would the Steelers trade him? They have nothing behind him -- Landry Jones is an abortion... just because he wants to go - doesn't mean he goes.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

@RapSheet: More on #Steelers: I’m told to expect wholesale offensive changes. Coach with the best chance of surviving is TE coach James Daniels

[Red Dawg]

@RapSheet: I said on #NFLGameDay: Ben Roethlisberger isn’t happy with the current #Steelers situation. And it’s not just Todd Haley among the coaches.

He is being politically correct. Haley sucks and they have been arguing since day one of him being hired.

[O.city]

Well?

Would anybody here give him a look?

Roethlisberger, next year, with our defense mostly in tact. Thoughts?

Roetglisberger? Here in KC? As a chief?

It moved.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Why would the Steelers trade him? They have nothing behind him -- Landry Jones is an abortion... just because he wants to go - doesn't mean he goes.

@RapSheet: Could the #Steelers actually trade Big Ben? I was told no… unless they could replace him with a franchise QB. In this draft, they could.

[Red Dawg]

I wish we could get his ass. We would be in the SB next year with him.

[O.city]

How old is Big Ben?

[nychief]

keep the rapist in pitt... lets draft a qb.

[O.city]

Any thoughts on what it would take to get him?

[mdchiefsfan]

Any thoughts on what it would take to get him?

If Smith was two 2nd round picks, I don't know if I want to see that price tag.

[DeezNutz]

He'll be 32 next season. No thanks.

Given the amount of hits that he's taken, he's like a decent looking sports car that's had the piss driven out of it by a teenager.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Well?

Would anybody here give him a look?

Roethlisberger, next year, with our defense mostly in tact. Thoughts?

Immediate upgrade, and the end of an utterly useless endeavor.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

@RapSheet: Another issue for Big Ben: Looming contract situation. 2 years left, small salary, big cap number. Some doubts he can get paid in Pittsburgh

First team to give up loads of picks and $100 million wins.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

He'll be 32 next season. No thanks.

Given the amount of hits that he's taken, he's like a decent looking sports car that's had the piss driven out of it by a teenager.

LMAO

[bevischief]

Free agent maybe for the right price but trading for him hell no.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

@RapSheet: Another issue for Big Ben: Looming contract situation. 2 years left, small salary, big cap number. Some doubts he can get paid in Pittsburgh

@RapSheet: Another issue for Big Ben: Looming contract situation. 2 years left, small salary, big cap number. Some doubts he can get paid in Pittsburgh

First team to give up loads of picks and $100 million wins.

Fuck that.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

@RapSheet: Could the #Steelers actually trade Big Ben? I was told no… unless they could replace him with a franchise QB. In this draft, they could.

What a horrible operating model that franchise uses...

[CaliforniaChief]

Wow, the Haley's can't even go to McDonald's without a rat following them. What a train wreck.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

And here comes the talking head pissing contest...

@JasonLaCanfora: I'm told adamantly that the Steelers never "fielded offers" or ever entertained trading Big Ben this offseason. Never even close ...

[whoman69]

This is what happens when the QB doesn't buy into the system and the coach is stuck too deep in his system. I think the system really helped Rothliesberger stay healthy. What it didn't do is have the flexibility to take the shots downfield to make it a dynamic offense.

[gblowfish]

Rapistburger and Haley deserve each other. Douche, meet Douche.

[tredadda]

I could be in the minority on this, but a franchise QB who wants to bail on his team when things get tough does not appeal to me. No to Big Ben.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

@RapSheet: #Steelers have not had internal discussions about trading Roethlisberger this year. Not at trade deadline. Last year, another team called.

LMAO

[-King-]

Why would he want to get out of that top 5 offense that Haley installed?

[wazu]

Tomlin should have let him play ping pong.

[Bwana]

Rapistburger and Haley deserve each other. Douche, meet Douche.

Yes they do.

[bevischief]

Fire sale...

[Chiefs Pantalones]

@JasonLaCanfora: As practical matter, Steelers in a very tight cap situation. Dealing Ben would require $14M hit on remaining proration of bonus money. Hmm

[Dunerdr]

Lets start a new trend of trading for over the hill steelers qbs! Fuck off niners! The last ass raping was too far!

[chiefzilla1501]

@JasonLaCanfora: As practical matter, Steelers in a very tight cap situation. Dealing Ben would require $14M hit on remaining proration of bonus money. Hmm

Big ben aien't going anywhere. I think LaCanfora sold it short. Looks like it would be $24M in dead money.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/ben-roethlisberger/

They just extended him in 2013. Which means both Ben and the Steelers agreed that he wasn't going anywhere. If Ben wants changes, the Steelers will change the coaching staff, not the QB.

[jspchief]

Doomed from the start. Big Rapist was never going to give Haley a shot.

[O.city]

I'd bet the most likely landing spot would be Arizona with his old buddy

[chiefzilla1501]

I'd bet the most likely landing spot would be Arizona with his old buddy

You mean San Diego. I'm guessing Arians wouldn't want to hire a guy who took his job, especially when they already have Tom Moore.

[O.city]

You mean San Diego. I'm guessing Arians wouldn't want to hire a guy who took his job, especially when they already have Tom Moore.

No, I meant for Big Ben.

[Hammock Parties]

I'd take Ben in KC.

Aging elite QB better than never elite QB.

[bevischief]

Down the toilet they go....

[chiefzilla1501]

Doomed from the start. Big Rapist was never going to give Haley a shot.

I get what the Rooneys were doing. The Rooneys gave Big Ben the biggest contract in football. They couldn't afford to have him play the same brand of football he had been. The goal was probably to bring the team back to the smash mouth, Whisenhunt brand of football. Haley ran that offense, but without the shots downfield, even when they had Mike Wallace. I've never been a big fan of the Haley system. He probably needs to positional coach from a new system to learn some new wrinkles.

At the same time, you can't blame everything on Haley. The Steelers' personnel decisions the past 5 years have been really shitty. If the Rooneys were going to insist on a ball control offense, then get RBs and offensive linemen. Their talent is just terrible. Ben can save terrible talent by freelancing, but the front office doesn't want him to do that. The front office is the biggest culprit here.

[chiefzilla1501]

No, I meant for Big Ben.

Oh. Yeah, that's a possibility. But I can't imagine him staying healthy for more than a few games if he did that. The main reason Arians was booted from Pittsburgh in the first place. But I guess when you're talking about a 32 year old QB, it's not a bad idea to gamble like that.

[O.city]

Oh. Yeah, that's a possibility. But I can't imagine him staying healthy for more than a few games if he did that. The main reason Arians was booted from Pittsburgh in the first place. But I guess when you're talking about a 32 year old QB, it's not a bad idea to gamble like that.

True.


But I think that's what Big Ben wants to do, so he'd likely do it.

[O.city]

2 first rounders and a 100 million would probably do it.


No thanks.

[Shogun]

Big Ben is one of my favorite qbs ever, that being said. His price tag would be too high.

[chiefzilla1501]

True.


But I think that's what Big Ben wants to do, so he'd likely do it.

Yup. And at his age, why not. I don't blame him.

I would much rather see him in a system like Minnesota or Buffalo or Tennessee to close his career. That's the kind of system the Steelers should have built, but failed to.

[O.city]

Yup. And at his age, why not. I don't blame him.

I would much rather see him in a system like Minnesota or Buffalo or Tennessee to close his career. That's the kind of system the Steelers should have built, but failed to.

Yeah, but none of those teams are gonna have the ability or want to move to Ben.

Locker in Tennessee and manual in buffalo, and the Vikings are.....well who knows what.

[Hammock Parties]

2 first rounders and a 100 million would probably do it.


No thanks.

You have a better way to get to the Super Bowl?

Fuck, this fan base.

Oh, no, drafting a QB, too risky!

Oh, no, paying for a QB, too risky!

[CallMeSquidwad]

It would be quite amazing if a guy like Mike Tomlin becomes available, and personally I think it would force the Texans hand to get rid of Kubiak purely because of circumstance. I am highly opposed to Kubiak being on the hot seat like he is, he has brought that team all the way from laughing stock to AFC contenders up until this disaster year. After saying all of that I do believe if the Steelers are dumb enough to get rid of Tomlin that he would end up being the head coach in Houston, that's called the glove fitting the hand(we've seen how that works) but Kubiak would be out of work about as long as Andy Reid was with his glove fitting the hand of say a Tampa Bay perfectly(although their lineman don't currently zone block under Schiano)

[O.city]

You have a better way to get to the Super Bowl?

****, this fan base.

Oh, no, drafting a QB, too risky!

Oh, no, paying for a QB, too risky!

Doing that for a 32 year old qb with injury concerns isn't too smart of an idea.

Draft and develop your own qb. Our front office has excelled at that, I wouldn't expect them to stop now.


Quit being such a crybaby bitch

[Hammock Parties]

Draft and develop your own qb.

LMAO

We're not doing that.

[O.city]

You have a better way to get to the Super Bowl?

****, this fan base.

Oh, no, drafting a QB, too risky!

Oh, no, paying for a QB, too risky!

And why the fuck does it matter what the fan base thinks? Unless we have a hand in making decisions, I don't see why it matters.

[notorious]

Yes.


Pittsburgh is starting to burn, and our old curse is what is causing it.


Raplisburger is nearly a carbon copy of McNabb in terms of ability.

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

Too many concussions. John Elway is already slipping money under the table to Rooney anyway/.

[O.city]

LMAO

We're not doing that.

Our hc or Gm have never been in a situation where they've done that.

Oh wait.

[Hammock Parties]

Our hc or Gm have never been in a situation where they've done that.

Oh wait.

We're going to extend Alex this offseason.

I'd rather have Ben.

[Simply Red]

keep the rapist in pitt... lets draft a qb.

no shit.

[O.city]

We're going to extend Alex this offseason.

I'd rather have Ben.

For 2 firsts+ and 100 million? For a 32 year old qb with injury concerns?

That would mean no Albert, Houston probably walks, and you're down picks to replace them.

Tough choice

[Simply Red]

It's not just because of Haley they said on NFLN.

Don't worry Tuck Daddy literally types from his butt.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Let's blame Haley for the front office. No OL,RB,WR. 2012 Pitt OL was a mess and they did nothing to fix the problem in 2013.

[Titty Meat]

No thanks I'd rather draft marcud mariota

[Titty Meat]

Let's blame Haley for the front office. No OL,RB,WR. 2012 Pitt OL was a mess and they did nothing to fix the problem in 2013.

Who did you blame last year when their offense sucked too?

[MotherfuckerJones]

I don't know how the fuck we could do it cap wise. But I'd trade for Ben in a New York minute. Trade Alex to some needy team. We'd have a high first anyways. I'd do it. Maybe I'm crazy but we'd be a better team with him than Alex no doubt.

[chiefzilla1501]

For 2 firsts+ and 100 million? For a 32 year old qb with injury concerns?

That would mean no Albert, Houston probably walks, and you're down picks to replace them.

Tough choice

Well... more like $25M over 2 years. The Steelers have paid off most of the $100M and are responsible for the remaining signing bonus no matter what. Ben's base salary is $25M over 2 years, which the Chiefs could probably even restructure.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Who did you blame last year when their offense sucked too?

Cant do much with no OL.

[keg in kc]

With a 2-6 start, they're potentially in a position to recover quarterback-wise the way the Colts did with Luck. Not sure how the last year of his huge contract is structured, but you can theoretically buy a lot of other pieces on offense with however much he'll be making for the next 5 or 6 years, once he works out his next extension.

[O.city]

Well... more like $25M over 2 years. The Steelers have paid off most of the $100M and are responsible for the remaining signing bonus no matter what. Ben's base salary is $25M over 2 years, which the Chiefs could probably even restructure.

He's probably gonna want some kind of extension, so it's probably doable.

[Brock]

Haley will be a hc within 2 years /chiefs and zeroes

[O.city]

With a 2-6 start, they're potentially in a position to recover quarterback-wise the way the Colts did with Luck. Not sure how the last year of his huge contract is structured, but you can theoretically buy a lot of other pieces on offense with however much he'll be making for the next 5 or 6 years, once he works out his next extension.

Buy as in free agents?

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Haley will be a hc within 2 years /chiefs and zeroes

Yup i was wrong nothing i can really say.

[Simply Red]

Haley will be a hc within 2 years /chiefs and zeroes

Was it him who said that? I remember someone did. ROFL

[bevischief]

No draft picks.

[chiefzilla1501]

Who did you blame last year when their offense sucked too?

The issues are the same. The offensive line is even worse after losing Pouncey. The RBs are still disgustingly bad. Haley should be better, but he also has absolutely nothing to work with. The only solution is to let Big Ben freelance. I don't think that's the right solution, but it's a fair argument if you think it is.

[O.city]

The issues are the same. The offensive line is even worse after losing Pouncey. The RBs are still disgustingly bad. Haley should be better, but he also has absolutely nothing to work with. The only solution is to let Big Ben freelance. I don't think that's the right solution, but it's a fair argument if you think it is.

The problem is that it's pretty obvious Haley can't adapt to what he has. Square peg round hole kinda thing.

[Brock]

Firing arians was a really bright move /zilla

[ChiTown]

Haley will be a hc within 2 years /chiefs and zeroes

I can't believe anyone would really believe that. The dude has been a time-bomb for most of his career. His HC'ing days in the NFL are done.

[O.city]

Brock on the war path.

[chiefzilla1501]

Firing arians was a really bright move /zilla

If Arians was coaching in Pittsburgh, Ben's career would likely be over. Just because Haley hasn't worked out, doesn't mean sticking with the same was the right move.

Arians' offense is a better fit for Big Ben with Steelers' personnel only because the talent is so shitty, the only solution is to let Big Ben freelance off broken plays.

[BigCatDaddy]

I'd give up the 2 1st in a heart beat where we are picking. The $ is the only concern. Ben with the D makes us a legit SB contender.

[Simply Red]

I can't believe anyone would really believe that. The dude has been a time-bomb for most of his career. His HC'ing days in the NFL are done.

He need his ass beat.

[chiefzilla1501]

The problem is that it's pretty obvious Haley can't adapt to what he has. Square peg round hole kinda thing.

I'm not a fan of Haley's offense and never really have been. He hasn't adapted as he should have. But it's not like the Steelers gave him much to adapt to. Look at his offensive line and running game. They are disgustingly untalented.

[O.city]

I'm not a fan of Haley's offense and never really have been. He hasn't adapted as he should have. But it's not like the Steelers gave him much to adapt to. Look at his offensive line and running game. They are disgustingly untalented.

Yes, but that's what I'm getting at. With that, he's still trying to be a run type offensive guy, instead of doing what he can.

[Chiefshrink]

He'll be 32 next season. No thanks.

Given the amount of hits that he's taken, he's like a decent looking sports car that's had the piss driven out of it by a teenager.

I assure you 25-30 teams would be highly interested regardless if he is a rapist. But when you think about it this is the very first time that Ben has faced any real adversity with his team as a whole not performing up to Steelers standards. Haley sucks, Tomlin is now showing his kinks in the armor, injuries galore with no real depth in backups, and now Ben wants out ??? What's that say about Ben's character when the going gets rough ?? Where is the leadership is 'wanting out' ??? I agree Deez but for different reasons.

[Mr. Laz]

Doomed from the start. Big Rapist was never going to give Haley a shot.

po0r tODd

[patteeu]

I'd give up the 2 1st in a heart beat where we are picking. The $ is the only concern. Ben with the D makes us a legit SB contender.

Wow. I wouldn't even trade Alex Smith for BR at this point, much less two 1sts.

[Mr. Laz]

Wow. I wouldn't even trade Alex Smith for BR at this point, much less two 1sts.
oh ... i don't know about that.

Alex Smith for Ben in a heartbeat imo

[mikey23545]

Well?

Would anybody here give him a look?

Roethlisberger, next year, with our defense mostly in tact. Thoughts?

Fuck yes I would.

[chiefzilla1501]

Yes, but that's what I'm getting at. With that, he's still trying to be a run type offensive guy, instead of doing what he can.

Well, as I've said, you have two options. Run a freelance offense where Big Ben will take 40-50 sacks, probably even more (given how shitty the offensive line and running game is) and get hit even more during a game. Or run a ball control offense. The answer is probably somewhere in the middle, but what confuses me more about the insistence on a very conservative offense is that if the Rooneys really wanted to run that, then why skimp on offensive line and RB talent?

[O.city]

Well, as I've said, you have two options. Run a freelance offense where Big Ben will take 40-50 sacks, probably even more (given how shitty the offensive line and running game is) and get hit even more during a game. Or run a ball control offense. The answer is probably somewhere in the middle, but what confuses me more about the insistence on a very conservative offense is that if the Rooneys really wanted to run that, then why skimp on offensive line and RB talent?

They've tried to bring in rbs and ol, iirc, it just hasn't panned out.

[Eleazar]

He was never elite, he was always overrated, and now he's old. No thank you.

Alex Smith is a better option today.

[-King-]

If Arians was coaching in Pittsburgh, Ben's career would likely be over. Just because Haley hasn't worked out, doesn't mean sticking with the same was the right move.

Roethlisberger has taken more hits and sacks under Haley than he ever took under Arians.

[chiefzilla1501]

They've tried to bring in rbs and ol, iirc, it just hasn't panned out.

Whether they tried or not, the talent is absolutely terrible. And it's not just because of coaching. Nobody wanted Jonathan Dwyer when he was cut. You have Mike Adams at left tackle, and he's terrible. Then you have unanticipated injuries, like Pouncey. There was a report that I think said they had about 9 different combinations of o-linemen in 2012 because they couldn't stay healthy. And then they draft La'Veon Bell, who isn't really top shelf talent in the first place, but then he gets hurt too. Mendenhall... the same.

They brought players in, sure. But they sent a pretty strong statement that they wanted to protect Ben by firing Arians and bringing in Haley. I guess I just don't think that bringing in DeCastro and Bell to an already disastrously bad o-line and RB is really considered doing enough.

[chiefzilla1501]

Roethlisberger has taken more hits and sacks under Haley than he ever took under Arians.

The thought was the right one. The execution was just terrible. Haley hasn't adjusted to the talent, and the front office didn't adjust to a new scheme they heavily endorsed. That and just bad luck on the injury front.

[keg in kc]

oh ... i don't know about that.

Alex Smith for Ben in a heartbeat imoYeah, I think I probably would do it, too. Smith is safer in terms of limiting turnovers, but I haven't seen any evidence yet that he can shoulder a team in a situation where they need it. Whereas Roethlisberger has always had an inherent ability to make plays, even when that roster was progressively deteriorating.

But the one really glaring issue with the high profile QBs is their contracts. Can we even afford it, without hurting the rest of the roster. Although that said, I expect them to extend Smith this offseason, and he won't be cheap either. But still likely cheaper than Roethlisberger.

[O.city]

As bad as everything else has been, there is some blame for roethlisberger. He hasn't played well at times either

[BigMeatballDave]

He was never elite, he was always overrated, and now he's old. No thank you.

Alex Smith is a better option today.

LMAO Come on man.

[vailpass]

He was never elite, he was always overrated, and now he's old. No thank you.

Alex Smith is a better option today.

:eek:

[New World Order]

Trade 5 first round picks and alex smith for big ben.

[MotherfuckerJones]

He was never elite, he was always overrated, and now he's old. No thank you.

Alex Smith is a better option today.
ROFL you should be banned for that

[BigCatDaddy]

He was never elite, he was always overrated, and now he's old. No thank you.

Alex Smith is a better option today.

Is this like an impression of KnowMo if he were a Chiefs fan?

[chiefzilla1501]

As bad as everything else has been, there is some blame for roethlisberger. He hasn't played well at times either

He doesn't have the mobility to freelance like he used to. He has built a career off making painfully slow reads, but getting away with it because he can shake off pressure better than anyone in the game. So now he has to rely on his ability to read defenses and he just can't do that.

He needs to go back to his early days. Run smash mouth football, force defenses to defend the run, and have a defense that can make up for Ben's mistakes. None of those things are in place now. So what you have is Ben trying to run an offense he's too old to run, and a coach who is insistent that he do things exactly that way. His career can easily be saved if he had a system that could actually run the ball.

[Red Dawg]

Don't worry Tuck Daddy literally types from his butt.

Not just Haley is what it says. That is a nice way of saying Haley is the problem and Ben does not like his play calling and offense. Go fuck yourself Simply Fag.

[scho63]

Everytime I see the two of them on the sidelines, it doesn't look pleasant.

[patteeu]

oh ... i don't know about that.

Alex Smith for Ben in a heartbeat imo

BR is already declining and he'd be starting over in a new system (or the system would have to be reimagined and everyone else would have to learn it). Alex Smith will be going into the second year of a system with, hopefully, improved weapons/protection.

There are quite a few QBs I'd trade AS for, but BR isn't one of them. I'm not a believer and past performance doesn't guarantee future results.

[bricks]

I don't believe Ben is declining, I think he is just in a bad situation in Pitt.

He is playing under Haley. C'mon? One of the biggest douches and moronic coaches in the league. It just goes to show, coaching can bring out the worst in players.

I'd take him but the chances if this happening are very unlikely. I can't see Pittsburgh giving up on him. Unless, there is a team out there that is willing to mortgage part if their future to get him. I wouldn't mortgage the future for Ben. Would just rather keep the picks. If anything, I could see Pitt firing Haley first and putting Ben in a better situation.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

He was never elite, he was always overrated, and now he's old. No thank you.

Alex Smith is a better option today.

Know how I know a portion of this fan base is retarded?

[vailpass]

I don't believe Ben is declining, I think he is just in a bad situation in Pitt.

He is playing under Haley. C'mon? One of the biggest douches and moronic coaches in the league. It just goes to show, coaching can bring out the worst in players.

I'd take him but the chances if this happening are very unlikely. I can't see Pittsburgh giving up on him. Unless, there is a team out there that is willing to mortgage part if their future to get him. I wouldn't mortgage the future for Ben. Would just rather keep the picks. If anything, I could see Pitt firing Haley first and putting Ben in a better situation.

Yep. Hailey's ass is out of Pittsburgh waaaaayyyyy before they'd let Big Ben go.

[Easy 6]

I'd bet the most likely landing spot would be Arizona with his old buddy

Exactly, if he goes that's where he's going.

[chiefzilla1501]

I don't believe Ben is declining, I think he is just in a bad situation in Pitt.

He is playing under Haley. C'mon? One of the biggest douches and moronic coaches in the league. It just goes to show, coaching can bring out the worst in players.

I'd take him but the chances if this happening are very unlikely. I can't see Pittsburgh giving up on him. Unless, there is a team out there that is willing to mortgage part if their future to get him. I wouldn't mortgage the future for Ben. Would just rather keep the picks. If anything, I could see Pitt firing Haley first and putting Ben in a better situation.

If you keep Ben in Pittsburgh with a new offensive coordinator and the shitty talent they have on o-line and RB, you don't fix the problem. Haley probably needs to go and while he deserves blame for how things have went, the main culprit by a mile is terrible personnel decisions and bad luck.

[Phobia]

I'd take Ben in KC.

Aging elite QB better than never elite QB.

Heh. Then you'd immediately jump on a campaign to rid KC of him. You're the most wishy-washy fan on all of the internets.

[BigCatDaddy]

Heh. Then you'd immediately jump on a campaign to rid KC of him. You're the most wishy-washy fan on all of the internets.

You would rather him Pioli it?

[Hammock Parties]

Heh. Then you'd immediately jump on a campaign to rid KC of him. You're the most wishy-washy fan on all of the internets.

I'd love Ben as hard as I loved our other castoff elite QBs.

[GoChargers]

I could be in the minority on this, but a franchise QB who wants to bail on his team when things get tough does not appeal to me. No to Big Ben.

Frontrunning... it's the Steeler way.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 49s
From @MikeSilver: Steelers players believe Big Ben needs to upgrade his preparation/film study away from the facility & become more cerebral

NFL Media PR ‏@InsideNFLMedia 2m
More from @MikeSilver on Ben: "When he is away from the facility, he is no Peyton Manning. That is the biggest obstacle to him staying.."


Keep blaming Haley Ben.

[9er guy]

Should have never let Bruce go.

[WhiteWhale]

Ben isn't the athlete he was when he was younger, and he's never been the committed leader type most QB's are.

We'll see how he does moving forward, but I'd say it's safe to assume his best years are well behind him.

[CallMeSquidwad]

There are so many parallels between us and the Niners, and this is one of them. Although Mike Singletary wasn't head coaching material he helped mold that team by turning around Vernon Davis' career and helping P Willis along. Haley ditto not meant to be a head coach, but I do thank him for making D Bowe realize his talent(couldn't help him with his common sense though:bong:) and also helped DJ kick it into 5th gear, just too selfish to be a coach of men. Go coach high school or some shit Todd

[Mr. Laz]

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 49s
From @MikeSilver: Steelers players believe Big Ben needs to upgrade his preparation/film study away from the facility & become more cerebral

NFL Media PR ‏@InsideNFLMedia 2m
More from @MikeSilver on Ben: "When he is away from the facility, he is no Peyton Manning. That is the biggest obstacle to him staying.."


Keep blaming Haley Ben.
i see you're still trying to find some way to be right about Haley


LMAO

[Reerun_KC]

Cp still obsessed with Haley.

[-King-]

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 49s
From @MikeSilver: Steelers players believe Big Ben needs to upgrade his preparation/film study away from the facility & become more cerebral

NFL Media PR ‏@InsideNFLMedia 2m
More from @MikeSilver on Ben: "When he is away from the facility, he is no Peyton Manning. That is the biggest obstacle to him staying.."


Keep blaming Haley Ben.

LMAO Are you still holding on to the thought that Haley isn't to blame for the vast majority of the problems of the Steelers offense?

[chiefzilla1501]

LMAO Are you still holding on to the thought that Haley isn't to blame for the vast majority of the problems of the Steelers offense?

The offensive scheme kind of sucks. But the vast majority of the problem isn't the scheme. It's that the entire team, from the ownership down to the head coach to the offensive coordinator don't want Big Ben freelancing. When he freelances, he gets hurt (especially at his age). When he doesn't, and this is happening now, then players like Big Ben have to learn an offense and Ben isn't going to do that too well.

Personally... I think the biggest part of the problem can be solved by giving Ben an actual running back.

[Dave Lane]

Well?

Would anybody here give him a look?

Roethlisberger, next year, with our defense mostly in tact. Thoughts?

In.