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TLO
11-13-2013, 07:35 PM
I've enjoyed making these for games earlier in the year, so why not make one for the biggest game in recent Chiefs history?

What I hope happens

Charles has a monster game. He finishes the game with 26 rushes for 158 yards and a TD. He also catches 8 passes for 75 yards.

Alex Smith shows he has the ability to be more than just a game manager, throwing for 263 yards and two TDs. More importantly, he has no turnovers on the day.

The Chiefs defense and special teams come up big. Succop hits all 3 of his FG tries, including 2 from 50 plus yards. The Chiefs defense sacks Manning 5 times, causing a fumble on a strip sack by Derrick Johnson. Marcus Cooper returns a Manning INT for a TD.

Chiefs win 37-28

MMXcalibur
11-13-2013, 07:38 PM
Chiefs x+3, Broncos x

REDHOTGTO
11-13-2013, 07:40 PM
you forgot Charles gets a TD from one of those catches, other then that im good

Three7s
11-13-2013, 07:40 PM
Well, that would, easily, be the best offensive performance of the year, but don't blame me for being pessimistic about that type of performance.

I'll go with Alex Smith going 18-30 for 210 yards and a TD with Charles having 23 carries for 110 yards and a TD.

The Chiefs defense sacks Manning 5+ times and Manning throws two INTs. Chiefs win it 23-20.

hometeam
11-13-2013, 07:40 PM
Hard fought game.

Peyton gets slammed to the hard turf and begs for calls, rest of Broncos beg for calls, but Chiefs show them no mercy.

Defense scores and forces 3 turnovers.

KC 28 over Den 24

Ceej
11-13-2013, 07:41 PM
Denver 38
CHUEFS 24

Deberg_1990
11-13-2013, 07:42 PM
Broncos 24
Chiefs 16

Wallcrawler
11-13-2013, 07:43 PM
If Reid puts aside his hairbrained 90/10 pass to run ratio and utilizes his best offensive player early and often, Chiefs win the game.

If Reid plays defense for the opposing team again and shuts Charles down singlehandedly, the Chiefs lose the game despite the defense giving Peyton and his offense a reality check.

Bugeater
11-13-2013, 07:43 PM
You are on fucking crack if you think the Chiefs are going to score 37 points. Then again, if you had said at the beginning of the season that the Chiefs would go 9-0, I also would've said you were on crack.

But seriously, you're on crack.

Wallcrawler
11-13-2013, 07:44 PM
Denver 38
CHUEFS 24

Chiefs defense aint giving up 38 points.

No fucking way.

TLO
11-13-2013, 07:45 PM
You are on ****ing crack if you think the Chiefs are going to score 37 points. Then again, if you had said at the beginning of the season that the Chiefs would go 9-0, I also would've said you were on crack.

But seriously, you're on crack.

Meh. I'm just optomistic.

Ceej
11-13-2013, 07:46 PM
Chiefs defense aint giving up 38 points.

No ****ing way.

I could see a couple of turnovers giving Denver great field position.

Deberg_1990
11-13-2013, 07:47 PM
If Reid puts aside his hairbrained 90/10 pass to run ratio

It's not quite that high, but when has he ever ran more than pass?

Wallcrawler
11-13-2013, 07:47 PM
I could see a couple of turnovers giving Denver great field position.

Who do you see turning the ball over? Its not exactly something we do against good defenses, let alone the shit show that Denver is fielding.

Ceej
11-13-2013, 07:48 PM
Who do you see turning the ball over? Its not exactly something we do against good defenses, let alone the shit show that Denver is fielding.

Why the interrogation? Lol.

It's a predictions thread.

I will say Charles or McCluster. Any other silly questions?

Imon Yourside
11-13-2013, 07:49 PM
Chiefs 28 Denver 10

Manning limps out after the first series..citing seeing a glue factory in his dreams the night before. In reality he looks towards the vaunted KC defense and pusses out...trying to live to play another day.

Wallcrawler
11-13-2013, 07:51 PM
It's not quite that high, but when has he ever ran more than pass?

Yeah, it probably isn't. It just seems that way when you look at the game and its almost to the end of the 3rd quarter and Charles has 9 rushes and Smith has 1.


He's always called offense this way, and he's won a shitload of games doing it, I just happen to think that in the current state our offense is in, our personnel group doesn't exactly fit that type of playcalling. I would think Jamaal would get more carries, rather than stupid ass receptions behind the line with 2 dudes sprinting at him.

When your Quarterback puts the ball in the air over 30 times, and you end the game with 124 passing yards, something needs to change. I find it hard to believe that handing the football off to Jamaal would be less productive.

MOhillbilly
11-13-2013, 07:51 PM
Kc 42
Denver 0

Wallcrawler
11-13-2013, 07:54 PM
Why the interrogation? Lol.

It's a predictions thread.

I will say Charles or McCluster. Any other silly questions?

Ah, so its the doom & gloom douchebaggery. Got it.

Get to be right if it happens and say you called it after a loss, or oh so happy to be wrong after a win.

Wheeeee.

Deberg_1990
11-13-2013, 07:54 PM
Yeah, it probably isn't. It just seems that way when you look at the game and its almost to the end of the 3rd quarter and Charles has 9 rushes and Smith has 1.


He's always called offense this way, and he's won a shitload of games doing it, I just happen to think that in the current state our offense is in, our personnel group doesn't exactly fit that type of playcalling. I would think Jamaal would get more carries, rather than stupid ass receptions behind the line with 2 dudes sprinting at him.

When your Quarterback puts the ball in the air over 30 times, and you end the game with 124 passing yards, something needs to change. I find it hard to believe that handing the football off to Jamaal would be less productive.


Reid follows the Bill Walsh philosophy. A 3-5 yard pass is just as good as A 3-5 yard run.

Randallflagg
11-13-2013, 07:54 PM
Chiefs 24

Denver 21


I don't really care how we do it, but I want Manning carried off on a stretcher not knowing what day of the week it is. That would be a good day!

Jam every receiver at the line - knock them on their asses - and we win. PERIOD.

Ceej
11-13-2013, 07:55 PM
Ah, so its the doom & gloom douchebaggery. Got it.

Get to be right if it happens and say you called it after a loss, or oh so happy to be wrong after a win.

Wheeeee.

Yeah, I'm not that type of guy. Good try though.

Mr. Flopnuts
11-13-2013, 07:57 PM
Manning goes down early. Chiefs shock the world against another back up. 13-6.

duncan_idaho
11-13-2013, 07:57 PM
Just don't see them scoring enough to stay in this in Denver.

Denver: 27
Kansas City: 13

SPchief
11-13-2013, 07:57 PM
Chiefs 17
Broncos 14

tk13
11-13-2013, 07:58 PM
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Ceej
11-13-2013, 07:59 PM
I'm changing my prediction because my original prediction wasn't legitimate for some reason.

Chiefs 105
Denver 0

All 15 touchdowns are 99 yard touchdown runs.

Wallcrawler
11-13-2013, 08:01 PM
Yeah, I'm not that type of guy. Good try though.

Yeah. I can see you're the sunshine and rainbows type of guy. Defense hasn't given up more than 17 all season, and now coming off of a bye, theyre just going to tank and surrender nearly 40.

Its doom & gloom douchebaggery or terminal stupidity. Ill let you decide which.

The Bad Guy
11-13-2013, 08:02 PM
I think the bye week will greatly benefit this offense. Team still has Charles and I think he has a monster game.

Ceej
11-13-2013, 08:03 PM
Yeah. I can see you're the sunshine and rainbows type of guy. Defense hasn't given up more than 17 all season, and now coming off of a bye, theyre just going to tank and surrender nearly 40.

Its doom & gloom douchebaggery or terminal stupidity. Ill let you decide which.

You're an idiot. That's all there is to it.

I'm one of the more optimistic, non- doom and gloom posters here. But, keep being butthurt about someone's predictions guy.

Wallcrawler
11-13-2013, 08:06 PM
Reid follows the Bill Walsh philosophy. A 3-5 yard pass is just as good as A 3-5 yard run.

The problem is that with Jamaal's passes, a huge majority of them don't make 3-5 yards. He's spied by defenders and Alex throws the ball to him anyway with guys coming free to destroy him, so what should have been a 3-5 yard pass is actually a loss of 2-3 yards, when had he just handed the football off he at least makes it back to the line.

The biggest thing is that this type of bullshit play normally happens on first down, so the entire series starts off in the hole. At this point, if your first down pass isn't designed to cover the 7-10 yard range at least, just hand the ball to Jamaal.

All of our games where we do this, we get those 3rd and 2-4 and we sustain drives. When we start in the hole, we get those lovely 3rd and longs all game where we go 1/15 on 3rd down.

Im not a coach by any means, but he has to be able to see that he's wasting Jamaal's talent out there a good deal of the game. We've been fortunate to have such a monstrous defense to overcome such dumbassery.

Deberg_1990
11-13-2013, 08:10 PM
The problem is that with Jamaal's passes, a huge majority of them don't make 3-5 yards. He's spied by defenders and Alex throws the ball to him anyway with guys coming free to destroy him, so what should have been a 3-5 yard pass is actually a loss of 2-3 yards, when had he just handed the football off he at least makes it back to the line.

The biggest thing is that this type of bullshit play normally happens on first down, so the entire series starts off in the hole. At this point, if your first down pass isn't designed to cover the 7-10 yard range at least, just hand the ball to Jamaal.

All of our games where we do this, we get those 3rd and 2-4 and we sustain drives. When we start in the hole, we get those lovely 3rd and longs all game where we go 1/15 on 3rd down.

Im not a coach by any means, but he has to be able to see that he's wasting Jamaal's talent out there a good deal of the game. We've been fortunate to have such a monstrous defense to overcome such dumbassery.


He's averaging 8.2 yards per reception, so the majority of time the passes are working with him. Not every play is going to be successful. No team is successful 100% of the time.

Wallcrawler
11-13-2013, 08:10 PM
Your and idiot. That's all there is to it.

I'm one of the more optimistic, non- doom and gloom posters here. But, keep being butthurt about someone's predictions guy.

FYP.

If youre going to resort to slinging insults over a simple discussion, at least do it right.

Its not so much butthurt, just sheer amazement that you actually believe this defense will surrender almost 40 points. You come off with some dumb shit like that and call ME an idiot.

I love this place.

Ceej
11-13-2013, 08:13 PM
FYP.

If youre going to resort to slinging insults over a simple discussion, at least do it right.

Its not so much butthurt, just sheer amazement that you actually believe this defense will surrender almost 40 points. You come off with some dumb shit like that and call ME an idiot.

I love this place.

And if I am right and you are wrong?

You'll shut the fuck up forever. I've never seen someone's pussy sting so much from someone giving a simple prediction about a game.

You need to go to bed.

TLO
11-13-2013, 08:13 PM
Wallcrawler... WTF LMAO

Gonzo
11-13-2013, 08:14 PM
Denver will jump out to an early lead, (probably 10 or more). KC will make halftime adjustments and come back to tie midway thru the 4th.

Game comes down to a FG by Denver, which is missed.

In OT, both teams get the ball once, Denver then pulls one out of their ass, (stupid penalty or something assists this play). They kick the FG to win it.

KcMizzou
11-13-2013, 08:21 PM
Honestly, simply because it's at their place in prime time, I expect something like 27-23 Broncos. So I'd be surprised by a Chiefs win, but only mildly.

Ceej
11-13-2013, 08:22 PM
Honestly, simply because it's at their place in prime time, I expect something like 27-23 Broncos. So I'd be surprised by a Chiefs win, but only mildly.

U FUCKING THINK THE CHIEFS AEE GIVING UP 27 PTs?

Idiocy, or douchebaggery. The CHOICE IS URS!

Pablo
11-13-2013, 08:24 PM
Yeah. I can see you're the sunshine and rainbows type of guy. Defense hasn't given up more than 17 all season, and now coming off of a bye, theyre just going to tank and surrender nearly 40.

Its doom & gloom douchebaggery or terminal stupidity. Ill let you decide which. You're a fucking douche.

27 to 17 bad guys.

Jerok
11-13-2013, 08:25 PM
The announcers start talking like this is a playoff game. Piss poor at the post season, Manning gets confused and loses 24-21 after throwing 3 INT. The chiefs get 2 defensive TD, 1 punt return for TD, and one field goal.

Wallcrawler
11-13-2013, 08:25 PM
And if I am right and you are wrong?

You'll shut the **** up forever. I've never seen someone's pussy sting so much from someone giving a simple prediction about a game.

You need to go to bed.

lol.

U mad?

Simple discussion dude. I think if anyone has any stinging going on here, its you. Try not to get so excited over the little things.

Chiefs aint surrendering 38 to fivehead. I do like how you hang on to the possibility though with the "and if I am right" bit though. That's dedication.

http://musformation.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/so-youre-telling-me-theres-a-chance-dumb-and-dumber-lloyd-christmas-meme-600x324.jpg

TheSourceX1
11-13-2013, 08:25 PM
Chiefs 24
Donkeys 16

Plenty of Donkey turnovers and penalties lead to a weeks worth of, "Broncos beat themselves" posts and headlines.

Wallcrawler
11-13-2013, 08:27 PM
U ****ING THINK THE CHIEFS AEE GIVING UP 27 PTs?

Idiocy, or douchebaggery. The CHOICE IS URS!

Well, we can now see that math isn't your strong point. Ill help you out a bit here.


38 > 27

Ill be back with crayons if youre still having trouble.

Ceej
11-13-2013, 08:28 PM
lol.

U mad?

Simple discussion dude. I think if anyone has any stinging going on here, its you. Try not to get so excited over the little things.

Chiefs aint surrendering 38 to fivehead. I do like how you hang on to the possibility though with the "and if I am right" bit though. That's dedication.

http://musformation.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/so-youre-telling-me-theres-a-chance-dumb-and-dumber-lloyd-christmas-meme-600x324.jpg

Yeah. It was simple when I posted my prediction.

I'm seeing a bunch of people post Saying Dencer is Scoring 27. I wait your interrogation with baited breath, Sherlock.

Ceej
11-13-2013, 08:29 PM
Well, we can now see that math isn't your strong point. Ill help you out a bit here.


38 > 27

Ill be back with crayons if youre still having trouble.

BUT THE CHUEFS HAVENT GIVEN UP MORE THAN 17 ALL YEAR!! It's UNPOSSIBLE.

Go to bed wall crawler, you're drunk off semen.

Wallcrawler
11-13-2013, 08:31 PM
Yeah. It was simple when I posted my prediction.

I'm seeing a bunch of people post Saying Dencer is Scoring 27. I wait your interrogation with baited breath, Sherlock.

Once again....

38 > 27

Ceej
11-13-2013, 08:32 PM
Once again....

38 > 27

38 > 27 > 17.

Wallcrawler
11-13-2013, 08:37 PM
BUT THE CHUEFS HAVENT GIVEN UP MORE THAN 17 ALL YEAR!! It's UNPOSSIBLE.

Go to bed wall crawler, you're drunk off semen.

Heh.

Clearly your math is as bad as your general reasoning. 34 points surrendered would be twice the largest total of points given up all season. You not only *ahem* "predict" that the false God Fivehead will double the highest total of points scored against this defense, but you claim he will tack on four more points on top of that, despite playing on one leg, in the cold, with a revolving door protecting his blind side from Tamba Hali.

If anyone is suffering inebriation from excessive spooge swallowing, Im afraid its you.

ThaVirus
11-13-2013, 08:49 PM
He's averaging 8.2 yards per reception, so the majority of time the passes are working with him. Not every play is going to be successful. No team is successful 100% of the time.

Wallcrawler does have a bit of a point, although he may be thinking that based on the shit ass performance we put on in our last game against Buffalo. I want to say he had like 5 catches for 0 yards at one point in that game.

Jamaal does a lot to make guys miss, even with defenders keying on him 3-5 yards in the backfield. Dude is just a special talent.

Wallcrawler
11-13-2013, 08:53 PM
Wallcrawler does have a bit of a point, although he may be thinking that based on the shit ass performance we put on in our last game against Buffalo. I want to say he had like 5 catches for 0 yards at one point in that game.

Jamaal does a lot to make guys miss, even with defenders keying on him 3-5 yards in the backfield. Dude is just a special talent.

Admittedly, a lot of my frustration with the playcalling stems from the Buffalo game. That was just horrid, and when he finally started calling Jamaal's number, he was getting huge chunks of yardage. Jamaal running the ball was the key factor in that 4 minute and change drive to go up two scores and effectively seal the deal.

I looked at his stats, and even if you take away Jamaal's 5 receptions of 20 yards from his stats, he still averages 6.8 yards per reception on the rest of them.

I just cant seem to get those visions of Charles getting de-cleated behind the LOS out of my head.

ThaVirus
11-13-2013, 08:53 PM
Anyway, I'd guess maybe 31-21 Broncos win.

If we win, I couldn't see us winning by more than 3 points or so. Unless Manning goes down of course.

On a side note: is this going to be the week Jamaal breaks one? His long so far this year is just 24 yards. That's disappointing.

Sweet Daddy Hate
11-13-2013, 09:01 PM
Three offensive TD's for KC(FINALLY), and we win by MVP 3.

Chiefs 24

Worthless, dying Donkeys 21


Bonus Round:

We retire Manning from the NFL for life.

Wallcrawler
11-13-2013, 09:03 PM
Hopefully the blisters on his feet have healed. He was leading the NFL in touches and total yards going into the bye.

Mr. Arrowhead
11-13-2013, 09:14 PM
I predict that we will bring DA PAIN!!!!!

DomCasual
11-13-2013, 09:43 PM
Chiefs 94
Donkos -6

Chiefs finish the day Eleven and Zero!

Sweet Daddy Hate
11-13-2013, 09:44 PM
Chiefs 94
Donkos -6

Chiefs finish the day Eleventy(!) and Zero!

LMAO

Chieftain58
11-13-2013, 10:12 PM
Chiefs 21 Broncos 13

MileHighFish
11-13-2013, 10:15 PM
Serious question. How many times have the Chiefs scored over 27 this year? And of those times how many included a defensive score?

ThaVirus
11-13-2013, 10:30 PM
Serious question. How many times have the Chiefs scored over 27 this year? And of those times how many included a defensive score?

Going off of memory, excluding defensive and ST scores we've scored 21, 17, 19, 24, 19, 17, 17, 20, and 9.

Mama Hip Rockets
11-13-2013, 11:36 PM
I had a dream the other night that the Broncos won 77-75.

Sweet Daddy Hate
11-13-2013, 11:45 PM
I had a dream the other night that the Broncos won 77-75.

http://www.draftdaysuit.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/cocainesahellofadrug.jpg

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view6/2420548/cocaine-is-a-hell-of-a-drug-o.gif

Sorter
11-13-2013, 11:50 PM
Chiefs 27
Broncos 23

Sweet Daddy Hate
11-13-2013, 11:52 PM
Chiefs 27
Broncos 23

I'll revise:

TWO offensive TD's, ONE defensive TD, and the MVP FTW:

24-21, Chuefs.

tmh
11-14-2013, 12:04 AM
21-20 Chiefs.

kcxiv
11-14-2013, 12:07 AM
27-24 Chiefs.

Eh,why not, We might get smashed though.

AussieChiefsFan
11-14-2013, 12:11 AM
I had a dream the other night that the Broncos won 77-75.The other day I had a dream where I met Jamaal Charles. The worst part was that nothing was out of place, so it seemed legit. Was annoying waking up from that one.

A Salt Weapon
11-14-2013, 12:40 AM
KC Chiefs: 26
enver cheaters: 20

007
11-14-2013, 01:38 AM
I just hope the defense continues their streak of keeping teams at 17 pts and under. Because they obviously win the game if they do that.

beach tribe
11-14-2013, 02:05 AM
1ST Qtr:

Manning is hurried 3 time but not sacked.
Pressure comes once from Houston, Poe once, and a blitz by Flowers hurries manning but he hits Welker for a 31 yard score.

Chiefs offense looks like they have the last few weeks . Like shit.
Smith is 5 of 9 for 32 yards.
Charles has 3 carries for 11 yards
Denver 10
Chiefs 3

Qtr 2:
Manning throws a TD to TE Thomas
Manning is hit on the play by Tyson Jackson and Eric Berry. Gets up a little gimpy, but is fine.
Moreno has 40 yards on 9 carries so far.
Manning is 11 of 16 for 156 at the half.
Welker is the leading receiver with 6 grabs for 54 yards.

Chiefs put together a methodical 76 yard drive.
Charles scores on a 4 yard pass from Smith.
Fasano has 3 catches for 38 yards.
Smith has hit 5 different receivers. He is 12 of 18 for 99 yards at the half Charles has 4 grabs for 37 and 9 carries for 39 yards.
Denver 17
Chiefs 10

3rd qtr:
First drive of the 2nd half Manning hits D. Thomas for 42 yards and a TD over S. Smith. Kendrick Lewis is late covering his deep half on the play.
24-10
On the ensuing kick Knile Davis gets a rare return, Chiefs Kingdom holds their breath fearing the pigskin is about to pick up a grass stain, and when everyone opens their eyes Davis is blistering up the sideline into Denver territory to the 46.
D. McCluster hauls a pass in at the 33, and Succop hits a 50 yarder with :06 left in the 3rd.
24-13
Manning begins his drive at the 20 following a TB.
Hits Eric Decker for 14 on a "pick play" Tamba is held on the play but is not called

4th Qtr:

Chiefs overload the right side of the O-line with Houston, Hali, Bailey, and Flowers.
They are about to jump out of their skin chomping at the bit.
When the ball is snapped, they all drop into coverage and DJ blasts past Poe and DRILLS Manning as he fires the ball to the inside of the numbers toward J. Thomas..
PICKED OFF and HOUSED by E. MFn Berry.
24-20
Manning is Clearly shaken as he gives his o-line the stink eye with both palms facing the sky.
The Chiefs D never blitzes again. Justin Houston and Tamba Hali roll up Denvers Ts and smoke them on the field.
Peyton wears the face of disgust.
Jamaal Charles puts new blisters on his feet, and even more on the guys trying to catch him as the Chiefs turn the game over to him and he does what he does and finishes.
He scores with 1:28 left from 22 yards out.
27-24 CHIEFS!
Peyton gimps out onto the field.
1st and 10 at the 20: Sacked by Tamba Hali for a loss of 6.
2nd and 16 at the 14 Pressured by Poe, Tyson Jackson gets a finger on the ball intended for Decker and the wobbler gets picked off by Quintin Demps at the 32.
Ball game.

A. Smith: 19/32 for 212 yards. 1td 0ints
Manning: 22/36 289 yards 3tds 2ints
Moreno: 21/87
Charles: 19/157
D. Thomas 8/110
Bowe 6/76

Sacks by Hali 2, Houston 1, T. Jackson 1, DJ 1

INTs by EB, Demps

crazycoffey
11-14-2013, 02:30 AM
I don't know, any time I start a sentence about Payton, I shudder. But I think our D is better suited against Denver's O. So I am extremely optimistic. Payton still is an all pro, leader on offense, so it could be bad. If the D gets after him early, we have a chance.

On our O side. I'm just going to keep hoping and praying Reid/and or smith has been "pulling their punches" this year. Where every game was a precursor to this game. Set up the run/short game and show some medium or long passes to really fuck up the broncos D.

That said, I'm cautiously optimistic..........

Sorter
11-14-2013, 02:40 AM
I don't know, any time I start a sentence about Payton, I shudder.

You should probably get that looked at.

crazycoffey
11-14-2013, 02:49 AM
You should probably get that looked at.

History, dude. I want Sundays chiefs to cure it.

Sorter
11-14-2013, 02:55 AM
History, dude. I want Sundays chiefs to cure it.

What kind of history with Sean Payton is there?

TEX
11-14-2013, 03:05 AM
CHIEFS. 20
CHEATING DONX 34

crazycoffey
11-14-2013, 03:06 AM
What kind of history with Sean Payton is there?

We play the saints this week? Damn, where have I been?

Quesadilla Joe
11-14-2013, 03:21 AM
This game could go one of two ways IMO.

1. The Broncos get a lead and never look back.

2. The Chiefs get a lead and we come back and win.

007
11-14-2013, 03:55 AM
This game could go one of two ways IMO.

1. The Broncos get a lead and never look back.

2. The Chiefs get a lead and we come back and win.

Or the Chiefs pound Manning into the ground and send all those donkey fans home weeping.

Breaker
11-14-2013, 04:37 AM
31-10 Denver

TOUCHDOWN!!! KC
11-14-2013, 04:57 AM
Chiefs 24
Donks 21

big nasty kcnut
11-14-2013, 05:04 AM
27-3 chiefs make manning wishes that he wasn't there and just watching it on his phone.

Pushead2
11-14-2013, 05:06 AM
28-24 Chiefs.

warrior
11-14-2013, 07:08 AM
I've seen the future

Chiefs 31

Donkies 17

BlackHelicopters
11-14-2013, 07:16 AM
Den 34
KC 17

ThatRaceCardGuy
11-14-2013, 07:19 AM
23-19 KC. A defensive and special teams score amd safety and a TD run by Jamal..

Carlota69
11-14-2013, 07:52 AM
Or the Chiefs pound Manning into the ground and send all those donkey fans home weeping.

LMAO

I say we are up 14-10 at the halftime. At the beginning of he 3rd quarter it's announced that Manning won't be back because he pounded him into the ground much too often and his ankles are fucked.

We win 28-17

FlaChief58
11-14-2013, 07:53 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Whoa: KC opponents have had 11 snaps from Chiefs 1-yard line. On those plays, KC is out-scoring them 7-0. (via RazzRav on Reddit)</p>&mdash; Arrowhead Pride (@ArrowheadPride) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArrowheadPride/statuses/400980618172833792">November 14, 2013</a></blockquote>
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007
11-14-2013, 07:53 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Whoa: KC opponents have had 11 snaps from Chiefs 1-yard line. On those plays, KC is out-scoring them 7-0. (via RazzRav on Reddit)</p>&mdash; Arrowhead Pride (@ArrowheadPride) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArrowheadPride/statuses/400980618172833792">November 14, 2013</a></blockquote>
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NICE

FRCDFED
11-14-2013, 08:02 AM
Chiefs 28 Denver 10

Manning limps out after the first series..citing seeing a glue factory in his dreams the night before. In reality he looks towards the vaunted KC defense and pusses out...trying to live to play another day.I see something closer to this happening.

I don't think Manning makes it through the second qtr. Then he wusses out and blames it on the pre-existing ankle sprain.

The only other scenerio that seems possible is that Denver scores often in the first half as the D lays back like they did against Houston and then makes the adjustments at halftime to shut'em down in the second half.

Denver does not score over 17 and Manning is picked off twice and no way that statue doesn't hit the turf at least 5 times.

FRCDFED
11-14-2013, 08:05 AM
Chiefs aint surrendering 38 to fivehead.

LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

B_Razz
11-14-2013, 08:20 AM
chiefs 55 donkeys 4

Dayze
11-14-2013, 08:23 AM
I'll go with
Denver 27
Chiefs 13

mr. tegu
11-14-2013, 08:24 AM
Chiefs 31
Donkeys 23

warrior
11-14-2013, 08:33 AM
I see something closer to this happening.

I don't think Manning makes it through the second qtr. Then he wusses out and blames it on the pre-existing ankle sprain.

The only other scenerio that seems possible is that Denver scores often in the first half as the D lays back like they did against Houston and then makes the adjustments at halftime to shut'em down in the second half.

Denver does not score over 17 and Manning is picked off twice and no way that statue doesn't hit the turf at least 5 times.





After the third sack forehead will be in the locker room :thumb:

Eleazar
11-14-2013, 08:34 AM
I think we'll probably lose in the 7-10 point range, but I wouldn't be surprised if we won. Denver's defense might be just the balm our offense needs.

Mama Hip Rockets
11-14-2013, 08:36 AM
31-10 Denver

ROFL

How is Denver's horrid defense ever going to hold anyone to 10 points?

FlaChief58
11-14-2013, 08:44 AM
Elway's presser on this weeks game vs the Chiefs


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Omaha
11-14-2013, 08:45 AM
I always hate to see people get hurt so my hope is that the Chiefs' defense makes Manning lose his love for the game and retire.

PunkinDrublic
11-14-2013, 08:49 AM
I think we'll probably lose in the 7-10 point range, but I wouldn't be surprised if we won. Denver's defense might be just the balm our offense needs.

I agree. I'd love to see the chiefs take this but I just don't see us winning. As great as our defense has been, we haven't faced an offense with as many weapons as Denver has. Just preparing myself for the letdown so I don't jump off a building after the game. If we lose get ready for the media to bash the chiefs as frauds.

ChiefEd
11-14-2013, 08:53 AM
KC 23 - Donks 14

We get burned on two 50+ yard pass plays like normal.

Defense scores 1 TD, we grind out three field goals, and the offense puts together a long drive for a TD in the fourth to ice it...

10 and Oh Yeah!!!

Ceej
11-14-2013, 08:54 AM
Den 34
KC 17

Uh-oh. You better watch out.

DC.chief
11-14-2013, 09:19 AM
KC 21
Den 20

Manning has a chance to drive down for a win but Hali gets a strip sack and Houston recovers it. Victory formation. Book it.

TEX
11-14-2013, 09:45 AM
ROFL

How is Denver's horrid defense ever going to hold anyone to 10 points?

Their defense isn't bad against the run. It's also not "that" bad against the short passing routs. The Chiefs don't have the weapons to exploit their biggest weakness, which is their pass defense. However, I do agree that the Chiefs should score more than 10 points.

ChiefsSuckBalls
11-14-2013, 09:45 AM
Chiefs 31 - Broncos 13

The better QB wins this time.

TEX
11-14-2013, 09:51 AM
31-10 Denver

I'd give the Chiefs about 6 or 7 more points...

However, IF KC can RUN the football successfully so there's not a lot of pressure on the passing game, they just could pull off the upset. IF Manning goes down and misses a significant portion of the game, you can reverse your score.

trndobrd
11-14-2013, 09:53 AM
Chiefs 31
Donkeys 24

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duncan_idaho
11-14-2013, 09:58 AM
ROFL

How is Denver's horrid defense ever going to hold anyone to 10 points?

Denver's D is not playing at a horrid level any longer. It got its best player back and got several other key guys back from injury, and that has changed the performance of the unit.

The past two weeks, the Broncos held the Washington and San Diego offenses to an average of 20.5 points.

Both offenses are top 10 in the NFL in total yards and yards per play. The Redskins are top 10 in scoring O. The Chargers are right in the middle of the pack, actually slightly behind the Chiefs (but they have only one D/ST score, so their offense is scoring more PPG than KC's).

On the season, the Redskins have averaged 5.8 yards per play. The Denver D held them to 3.8. The Chargers have averaged 6.0 yards per play and were held to 4.8.

The Broncos also have an elite rushing defense, both in terms of yards/game (4th) and yards/rush (2nd at 3.4).

Denver's overall defensive numbers are not great, but if you look a little deeper, the Broncos' D is trending up.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Chiefs held to 10 offensive points or less on Sunday, not a bit.

Halfcan
11-14-2013, 10:31 AM
Chiefs 24 Cheatin mannings 21

Mile High Mania
11-14-2013, 10:41 AM
Denver's D is not playing at a horrid level any longer. It got its best player back and got several other key guys back from injury, and that has changed the performance of the unit.

The past two weeks, the Broncos held the Washington and San Diego offenses to an average of 20.5 points.

Both offenses are top 10 in the NFL in total yards and yards per play. The Redskins are top 10 in scoring O. The Chargers are right in the middle of the pack, actually slightly behind the Chiefs (but they have only one D/ST score, so their offense is scoring more PPG than KC's).

On the season, the Redskins have averaged 5.8 yards per play. The Denver D held them to 3.8. The Chargers have averaged 6.0 yards per play and were held to 4.8.

The Broncos also have an elite rushing defense, both in terms of yards/game (4th) and yards/rush (2nd at 3.4).

Denver's overall defensive numbers are not great, but if you look a little deeper, the Broncos' D is trending up.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Chiefs held to 10 offensive points or less on Sunday, not a bit.

That's way too logical and I agree.

duncan_idaho
11-14-2013, 10:50 AM
That's way too logical and I agree.

Also, on the season, the Chiefs average just 4.8 yards per play offensively (27th in the NFL). If Denver holds to its recent trends of limiting teams to more than 1 yard per play fewer, sledding will be even tougher.

The Franchise
11-14-2013, 10:53 AM
I'm going to be realistic. We drop one this week. It won't be a blowout though.

Broncos - 21
Chiefs - 20

keg in kc
11-14-2013, 11:03 AM
I've got a bad feeling. 31-16.

Talking about Denver's defense, they're a swinging gate for scoring. 9 rushing TDs allowed, which is bottom 10, and 16 passing, which is bottom half (KC's numbers, in comparison, are 2 and 9).

I just don't think that matters all that much against our career day offense. Odds are we make them look like the Steel Curtain.

mr. tegu
11-14-2013, 11:10 AM
I've got a bad feeling. 31-16.

Talking about Denver's defense, they're a swinging gate for scoring. 9 rushing TDs allowed, which is bottom 10, and 16 passing, which is bottom half (KC's numbers, in comparison, are 2 and 9).

I just don't think that matters all that much against our career day offense. Odds are we make them look like the Steel Curtain.

Denver is 23rd in red zone defense with teams scoring TDs 60% of the time. So one of our offensive weaknesses is also a weakness of theirs defensively which will hopefully allow us to turn FGs into TDs.

keg in kc
11-14-2013, 11:11 AM
Denver is 23rd in red zone defense with teams scoring TDs 60% of the time. So one of our offensive weaknesses is also a weakness of theirs defensively which will hopefully allow us to turn FGs into TDs.Where did you find that? I had the same impression but couldn't locate that stats to back it up.

htismaqe
11-14-2013, 11:12 AM
I've got a bad feeling. 31-16.

Talking about Denver's defense, they're a swinging gate for scoring. 9 rushing TDs allowed, which is bottom 10, and 16 passing, which is bottom half (KC's numbers, in comparison, are 2 and 9).

I just don't think that matters all that much against our career day offense. Odds are we make them look like the Steel Curtain.

This is about where I see it too.

Denver is good against the run, they're real weakness is on the outside. I'm not sure our offense even knows that the outside exists. :D

keg in kc
11-14-2013, 11:14 AM
This is about where I see it too.

Denver is good against the run, they're real weakness is on the outside. I'm not sure our offense even knows that the outside exists. The offense probably does, but Alex Smith sure doesn't. He didn't in SF and he doesn't here.

mr. tegu
11-14-2013, 11:16 AM
Where did you find that? I had the same impression but couldn't locate that stats to back it up.

http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-red-zone-scoring-pct

Warrior5
11-14-2013, 11:22 AM
Ryan Succop for President?

Simply Red
11-14-2013, 11:22 AM
13 / 30 Donks.

TheUte
11-14-2013, 11:41 AM
A Chiefs Win!!!!!

A game of pin the sack on the Donkey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TEX
11-14-2013, 12:22 PM
I've got a bad feeling. 31-16.

Talking about Denver's defense, they're a swinging gate for scoring. 9 rushing TDs allowed, which is bottom 10, and 16 passing, which is bottom half (KC's numbers, in comparison, are 2 and 9).

I just don't think that matters all that much against our career day offense. Odds are we make them look like the Steel Curtain.

That's EXACTLY how I see it - even picked the same score somewhere in this thread.

The Chiefs D is good, but it's gonna be on the field A LOT. They'll be gassed in the 4th quarter. Add the altitude to the mix and there won't be any 4th quarter dominance.

All a Chiefs loss means is that Denver held serve against a Chiefs team that NOBODY expected to be in this position. But WHAT IF the "IMPOSSIBLE" happens and the Chiefs win?... Really not all that much pressure when you think about it. :hmmm:

htismaqe
11-14-2013, 12:27 PM
That's EXACTLY how I see it - even picked the same score somewhere in this thread.

The Chiefs D is good, but it's gonna be on the field A LOT. They'll be gassed in the 4th quarter. Add the altitude to the mix and there won't be any 4th quarter dominance.

All a Chiefs loss means is that Denver held serve against a Chiefs team that NOBODY expected to be in this position. But WHAT IF the "IMPOSSIBLE" happens and the Chiefs win?... Really not all that much pressure when you think about it. :hmmm:

That's one thing that I keep coming back to.

Denver is the one that NEEDS this game. If they lose, the Chiefs would have to collapse down the stretch which, if they're good enough to beat Denver at Denver, probably isn't going to happen.

The Chiefs have nothing to lose, at all.

KCUnited
11-14-2013, 12:31 PM
The Chiefs have nothing to lose, at all.

The first domino in home field advantage.

Cannibal
11-14-2013, 12:32 PM
I just hope like hell we don't blown out and exposed as frauds. If we keep it close in Denver, I'm OK with it as long as we beat them in KC.

Mile High Mania
11-14-2013, 12:38 PM
That's one thing that I keep coming back to.

Denver is the one that NEEDS this game. If they lose, the Chiefs would have to collapse down the stretch which, if they're good enough to beat Denver at Denver, probably isn't going to happen.

The Chiefs have nothing to lose, at all.

I disagree with that one.

Go from a possible 2 game lead to tied and giving up the division lead - huge playoff seeding implications. Wins are hard.

@ Den
SD
Den
@ WAS
@ OAK
IND
@ SD

Gives you little room for error down the stretch. Patriots are 7-2 and Colts are 6-3...

I think this is really an equal "must win" for both teams.

htismaqe
11-14-2013, 12:38 PM
The first domino in home field advantage.

Did you even expect them to have a winning record this year?

Losing something NOBODY expected them to have in the first place is hardly losing.

Not to mention the fact that they get Denver at home in 2 weeks.

Losing this week is nothing.

TheUte
11-14-2013, 12:40 PM
Nothing to lose but a TON to gain.

The Franchise
11-14-2013, 12:40 PM
If we beat Denver this week.....we have a legitimate shot of sweeping them.

htismaqe
11-14-2013, 12:40 PM
I disagree with that one.

Go from a possible 2 game lead to tied and giving up the division lead - huge playoff seeding implications. Wins are hard.

@ Den
SD
Den
@ WAS
@ OAK
IND
@ SD

Gives you little room for error down the stretch. Patriots are 7-2 and Colts are 6-3...

I think this is really an equal "must win" for both teams.

If the expectation is Super Bowl, maybe.

As it is, this team was supposed to be 8-8, or worse, this season. They've already exceeded expectations.

The "formula" they've been using simply has to keep working. Either it will work or it won't.

Nothing that happens Sunday changes anything. They're SUPPOSED to lose at Denver. They always do.

KCUnited
11-14-2013, 12:42 PM
Did you even expect them to have a winning record this year?

Losing something NOBODY expected them to have in the first place is hardly losing.

Not to mention the fact that they get Denver at home in 2 weeks.

Losing this week is nothing.

So no one should be disappointed if they lose out? Expectations change as the season plays out. While Sunday is hardly a must win, there are things on the line.

King_Chief_Fan
11-14-2013, 12:43 PM
Did you even expect them to have a winning record this year?

Losing something NOBODY expected them to have in the first place is hardly losing.

Not to mention the fact that they get Denver at home in 2 weeks.

Losing this week is nothing.
after 2-14, I thought the best any team could do would to be 8-8/9-7 Amazing how things have changed.
This will be the best test for Chiefs. If they lose this one, I doubt they lose the 2nd one to Dungver.

Dayze
11-14-2013, 12:43 PM
I'm dreading a blown coverage from our secondary for an all-too-easy 60 yd TD catch by one of the white guys.

Cannibal
11-14-2013, 12:46 PM
I disagree with that one.

Go from a possible 2 game lead to tied and giving up the division lead - huge playoff seeding implications. Wins are hard.

@ Den
SD
Den
@ WAS
@ OAK
IND
@ SD

Gives you little room for error down the stretch. Patriots are 7-2 and Colts are 6-3...

I think this is really an equal "must win" for both teams.

Nope, the pressure is all on Denver in this game. Chiefs are not going undefeated, they have to lose at some point and Denver is widely regarded as the best team despite having a loss. If the Chiefs are to lose a game or three one of them is this week.

Dayze
11-14-2013, 12:47 PM
it would be sweet however, for Manning to get hit Drew Bledsoe style on his way out of bounds. Or Warner after an interception.

TheUte
11-14-2013, 12:48 PM
This game is the first step in Home Field Advantage, which is too big to discount the importance of.

Cannibal
11-14-2013, 12:48 PM
If they lose a close one, but manage to physically beat up Denver, I think they would consider that a moral victory because it will set them up for the game in KC two weeks later.

keg in kc
11-14-2013, 12:50 PM
That's one thing that I keep coming back to.

Denver is the one that NEEDS this game. If they lose, the Chiefs would have to collapse down the stretch which, if they're good enough to beat Denver at Denver, probably isn't going to happen.

The Chiefs have nothing to lose, at all.This is one area where I agree with Petro: this game could be the one that decides the division. We have them twice, Chargers twice, Redskins, Raiders and Colts. I see a real potential for 3 losses there (splits with Denver and SD, one more loss out of the rest). They have us twice, Patriots, Titans, Chargers, Texans, Raiders. I see a real potential there for two losses (a split with us and the Patriots).

That puts us both at 13-3, and I believe at this point they would own the tie-breaker.

We take Sunday's game and we potentially put ourselves in the drivers seat for home field. Whereas a loss could potentially be the difference between a wild card and a division win. This is one of the biggest games in recent memory.

htismaqe
11-14-2013, 12:52 PM
So no one should be disappointed if they lose out? Expectations change as the season plays out. While Sunday is hardly a must win, there are things on the line.

Do you honestly think, at this point, that they're going to lose out?

I'm not talking about the rest of the season, I'm talking about Sunday night.

The Chiefs have absolutely nothing to lose.

Dayze
11-14-2013, 12:54 PM
I'm so beaten down as a fan, I fully expect for whatever crazy set of circumstances must take place in order for the Chiefs to get fucked over in the playoff race/hunt.......it will happen.

"...and, for the first time ever - Denver wins the tie-breaker with KC because they scored 1 more point than the Chiefs in their collective matchups. Denver will therefore get homefield advantage"

htismaqe
11-14-2013, 12:55 PM
This is one area where I agree with Petro: this game could be the one that decides the division. We have them twice, Chargers twice, Redskins, Raiders and Colts. I see a real potential for 3 losses there (splits with Denver and SD, one more loss out of the rest). They have us twice, Patriots, Titans, Chargers, Texans, Raiders. I see a real potential there for two losses (a split with us and the Patriots).

That puts us both at 13-3, and I believe at this point they would own the tie-breaker.

We take Sunday's game and we potentially put ourselves in the drivers seat for home field. Whereas a loss could potentially be the difference between a wild card and a division win. This is one of the biggest games in recent memory.

This is the game they are suppose to lose. This is the game that nobody thinks they can win. For all intents and purposes, they've already lost it.

If they win, they've all but got the division, barring a complete collapse. If they lose, they've got a fight on their hands.

In the positive sense, this game could make their season. But losing it won't break their season by any stretch.

KCUnited
11-14-2013, 12:56 PM
Do you honestly think, at this point, that they're going to lose out?

I'm not talking about the rest of the season, I'm talking about Sunday night.

The Chiefs have absolutely nothing to lose.

I just can't get behind that. A 9-0 team playing an 8-1 division rival absolutely has something to lose, every time, regardless of what I expected before a game was even played.

htismaqe
11-14-2013, 12:56 PM
By the way, if Denver finishes 13-3 and we're the wildcard, that's WHAT WE WANT.

We don't want to be the #1 seed at 13-3, EVER.

Marcellus
11-14-2013, 12:57 PM
I expect we lose a pretty close game, the biggest wildcard in my mind is what affect the loss of Fox will be.

Coaching may seem overrated when you have a QB like Manning but I think the Saints proved it has a huge impact on the team if you have say a Jack Del Rio filling in.

TEX
11-14-2013, 12:59 PM
Nope, the pressure is all on Denver in this game. Chiefs are not going undefeated, they have to lose at some point and Denver is widely regarded as the best team despite having a loss. If the Chiefs are to lose a game or three one of them is this week.

Exactly this. The one who is losing the race ALWAYS has the most pressure, especially if the current one losing is / was the overwhelming favorite. Fall 2 games back with 6 to go is far more of a pressure situation because you can't control your own destiny. That's Denver's situation. On the other hand, KC can still control it's own destiny win or lose. It's math...

htismaqe
11-14-2013, 01:00 PM
I expect we lose a pretty close game, the biggest wildcard in my mind is what affect the loss of Fox will be.

Coaching may seem overrated when you have a QB like Manning but I think the Saints proved it has a huge impact on the team if you have say a Jack Del Rio filling in.

I know Fox doesn't get much respect around here but the dude coached a mediocre Carolina team to an NFC Championship. He's a FAR better coach than Jack Del Rio.

TEX
11-14-2013, 01:02 PM
Do you honestly think, at this point, that they're going to lose out?

I'm not talking about the rest of the season, I'm talking about Sunday night.

The Chiefs have absolutely nothing to lose.

Yep. It's all gravy if they win. Lose and they STILL control their own destiny. Shoot, either way they do. Denver can't say that IF they lose. It's a BIG game no doubt; however, there is without a doubt more riding on it for Denver.

keg in kc
11-14-2013, 01:04 PM
This is the game they are suppose to lose. This is the game that nobody thinks they can win. For all intents and purposes, they've already lost it.

If they win, they've all but got the division, barring a complete collapse. If they lose, they've got a fight on their hands.Actually you've just described exactly what they have to lose. Respect. And a 2-game lead going into the final 6 weeks.

If we lose Sunday, we're not in the catbird seat any longer. The division will be Denver's to lose at that point.

I would agree (and have said) that Denver may be more motivated on Sunday. But we have a lot to lose.

wazu
11-14-2013, 01:08 PM
My 10 year old son is the only Chiefs fan I've spoken to so far who honestly believes the Chiefs will win. Most people are just saying, "eh, it's possible."

TEX
11-14-2013, 01:09 PM
Actually you've just described exactly what they have to lose. Respect. And a 2-game lead going into the final 6 weeks.

If we lose Sunday, we're not in the catbird seat any longer. The division will be Denver's to lose at that point.

I would agree (and have said) that Denver may be more motivated on Sunday. But we have a lot to lose.

Sure we do, but no matter how you slice it, not as much as Denver. Lose and KC still can control its on destiny, no matter how tough of a road it is. Denver can't say that.

keg in kc
11-14-2013, 01:16 PM
Sure we do, but no matter how you slice it, not as much as Denver. Lose and KC still can control its on destiny, no matter how tough of a road it is. Denver can't say that.The statement I disagree with was not that Denver potentially has more to lose, it was that Kansas City has nothing to lose. We have a very small margin for error right now, and it's gone with a Chiefs loss.

htismaqe
11-14-2013, 01:16 PM
Actually you've just described exactly what they have to lose. Respect. And a 2-game lead going into the final 6 weeks.

If we lose Sunday, we're not in the catbird seat any longer. The division will be Denver's to lose at that point.

I would agree (and have said) that Denver may be more motivated on Sunday. But we have a lot to lose.

It's really hard for me to get into the "respect" angle. Even if they win, a certain portion of the national media is going to find another reason to call them a fluke. I simply don't care about respect.

Win or lose, we can still control our own path to the playoffs.

If Denver loses, they lose all control. They have far more to lose.

htismaqe
11-14-2013, 01:18 PM
The statement I disagree with was not that Denver potentially has more to lose, it was that Kansas City has nothing to lose. We have a very small margin for error right now, and it's gone with a Chiefs loss.

Are they going to go undefeated? If not, then there's a loss somewhere on their record and it's most likely Sunday night.

On almost every schedule out there, fan and talking head alike, this is already an "L" for KC.

keg in kc
11-14-2013, 01:20 PM
It's really hard for me to get into the "respect" angle. Even if they win, a certain portion of the national media is going to find another reason to call them a fluke. I simply don't care about respect.I don't either. You were the one who brought it up with that "no nobody thinks they can win...

(Ironically my initial reply that was "that's a load of crap". LMAO What people think doesn't matter at all in any real sense....)Win or lose, we can still control our own path to the playoffs.That's where I disagree. Lose and we're even, and Denver is actually the team that can control their own destiny.

gblowfish
11-14-2013, 01:21 PM
Donks 28
Chiefs 17

I don't see our offense scoring much, and some of our points may come from special teams or from a defensive TD.

keg in kc
11-14-2013, 01:24 PM
Are they going to go undefeated? If not, then there's a loss somewhere on their record and it's most likely Sunday night.I pointed out the schedules earlier. Denver's final games are I think significantly easier than ours. They have fewer divisional games (always tough...), and while we play the Colts at home and the Redskins on the road (both potential losses in my mind), they have the Titans at home and the Texans on the road (don't see them in any danger of losing either).

Sunday night is to me a game that may take on even bigger meaning in retrospect, looking back in late December/early January. I think it's even more important that it appears to be right now.

TEX
11-14-2013, 01:25 PM
I don't either. You were the one who brought it up with that "no nobody thinks they can win...

(Ironically my initial reply that was "that's a load of crap". LMAO What people think doesn't matter at all in any real sense....)That's where I disagree. Lose and we're even, and Denver is actually the team that can control their own destiny.

...And so STILL can KC. Fact.

mike_b_284
11-14-2013, 01:26 PM
probably a q

Dbowe 420 yards

SeeingRed
11-14-2013, 01:27 PM
I say they pull off the upset 27-23 with a defensive stand within the last 2 mins to win the game. 2 offensive TDs 1 Defensive TD and 2 FGs for Chiefs. 2 TDs and 3 FGs for Broncos. Denver's offense out plays KC's offense but the Chiefs pull off the upset win anyway

htismaqe
11-14-2013, 01:27 PM
That's where I disagree. Lose and we're even, and Denver is actually the team that can control their own destiny.

Except that Denver has to play us at home.

Unless they beat us by 2 TDs and make it look easy Sunday night, I don't see them beating us at Arrowhead.

htismaqe
11-14-2013, 01:29 PM
I pointed out the schedules earlier. Denver's final games are I think significantly easier than ours. They have fewer divisional games (always tough...), and while we play the Colts at home and the Redskins on the road (both potential losses in my mind), they have the Titans at home and the Texans on the road (don't see them in any danger of losing either).

Sunday night is to me a game that may take on even bigger meaning in retrospect, looking back in late December/early January. I think it's even more important that it appears to be right now.

Sunday night is the only "sure loss" I see left on the schedule.

This team just doesn't look like 2003. I just can't see them collapsing down the stretch.

duncan_idaho
11-14-2013, 01:33 PM
Except that Denver has to play us at home.

Unless they beat us by 2 TDs and make it look easy Sunday night, I don't see them beating us at Arrowhead.

I'm sort of in the same boat. I expect KC to lose by at least 2 scores on Sunday and would probably pick Denver to win in KC, also.

If the Chiefs make it a closer game, I'll feel more confident about winning in Arrowhead.

KCUnited
11-14-2013, 01:35 PM
I think it was a couple years ago when Oakland had some crazy stat about teams losing the very next week after playing them. I'm hoping KC can be physical enough, even in a loss, that it effects Denver the following week(s).

wazu
11-14-2013, 01:35 PM
I think with the bye week this week will be a better opportunity to beat Denver than the game in Arrowhead. Manning has proven before he doesn't care about crowd noise or Arrowhead intimidation factor.

TEX
11-14-2013, 01:38 PM
I pointed out the schedules earlier. Denver's final games are I think significantly easier than ours. They have fewer divisional games (always tough...), and while we play the Colts at home and the Redskins on the road (both potential losses in my mind), they have the Titans at home and the Texans on the road (don't see them in any danger of losing either).

Sunday night is to me a game that may take on even bigger meaning in retrospect, looking back in late December/early January. I think it's even more important that it appears to be right now.

I understand all your points. It's all speculation no matter how educated and well thought out it is. However, fact is lose Sunday and KC can still control its own destiny. Will it be harder? Yes, absolutely. If Denver loses, they can't control their's. Also fact. The math is what it is-

keg in kc
11-14-2013, 01:38 PM
...And so STILL can KC. Fact.You'll have to forgive me for not assuming that the Chiefs are going to finish 15-1 if they lose Sunday.

This is what I think is going to happen:

Denver beats KC sunday: tied, denver owns tie breaker
NE beats Denver (road), KC beats Chargers: KC one game lead
Chiefs beat Denver: KC 2 game lead
Denver beats Titans, Redskins beat Chiefs (road): KC 1 game lead
Denver beats Chargers, Chiefs beat raiders (road): KC 1 game lead
Denver beats Texans (road), Chiefs beat Colts: KC 1 game lead
Denver beats Raiders; Chargers beat Chiefs (road): tied at 13-3, denver owns tie breaker (strength of schedule)

(Redskins and Colts games are interchangeable to me; I think we lose one of them. The road game seems the most likely).

That's just a tossing poop at the wall prediction, of course things will probably go differently in the real world, but I have a feeling we're going to point back to a loss Sunday (if we lose...) as being a key to the season.

How about we make it a moot point and win.

htismaqe
11-14-2013, 01:39 PM
I think with the bye week this week will be a better opportunity to beat Denver than the game in Arrowhead. Manning has proven before he doesn't care about crowd noise or Arrowhead intimidation factor.

Manning hasn't ever played in the REAL Arrowhead, against a defense like this one.

keg in kc
11-14-2013, 01:40 PM
Sunday night is the only "sure loss" I see left on the schedule.

This team just doesn't look like 2003. I just can't see them collapsing down the stretch.I think we split with San Diego and lose to either Indy or Washington. I don't think we're the 2003 team, and I do think we have a better chance of winning in the playoffs than any time since 1995, but I also don't think we're a 15-1 or 14-2 team. We're still an offseason (and possibly a QB) away from that.

wazu
11-14-2013, 01:40 PM
Manning hasn't ever played in the REAL Arrowhead, against a defense like this one.

True.

htismaqe
11-14-2013, 01:42 PM
You'll have to forgive me for not assuming that the Chiefs are going to finish 15-1 if they lose Sunday.

This is what I think is going to happen:

Denver beats KC sunday: tied, denver owns tie breaker
NE beats Denver (road), KC beats Chargers: KC one game lead
Chiefs beat Denver: KC 2 game lead
Denver beats Titans, Redskins beat Chiefs (road): KC 1 game lead
Denver beats Chargers, Chiefs beat raiders (road): KC 1 game lead
Denver beats Texans (road), Chiefs beat Colts: KC 1 game lead
Denver beats Raiders; Chargers beat Chiefs (road): tied at 13-3, denver owns tie breaker (strength of schedule)

(Redskins and Colts games are interchangeable to me; I think we lose one of them. The road game seems the most likely).

That's just a tossing poop at the wall prediction, of course things will probably go differently in the real world, but I have a feeling we're going to point back to a loss Sunday (if we lose...) as being a key to the season.

How about we make it a moot point and win.

That's the thing, you're starting off your hypothetical with a loss Sunday night. Even with that loss, there's all kinds of things that can happen.

If Denver loses Sunday night, try doing the same exercise for them.

As for your hypothetical, I'll take it. There is no way, under any circumstance, we want to go 13-3 and host a playoff game. NO WAY.

DaneMcCloud
11-14-2013, 01:42 PM
I pointed out the schedules earlier. Denver's final games are I think significantly easier than ours. They have fewer divisional games (always tough...), and while we play the Colts at home and the Redskins on the road (both potential losses in my mind), they have the Titans at home and the Texans on the road (don't see them in any danger of losing either).



:facepalm:

The Colts fucking suck. They don't have a running game, they lost their best receiver in Reggie Wayne and their defense is led by a 32 year old that's slowing down. They were just pistol whipped at home by the Rams.

If the Chiefs lose that game, at Arrowhead, they have no business in the playoffs.

And the Redskins? LMAO

Either you're beat down from years of being a Chiefs fan or you're not watching any other team other than the Chiefs. There is no fucking way I can look at either of those games and even believe there's a 5% chance of a loss.

DaneMcCloud
11-14-2013, 01:51 PM
I think we split with San Diego

The Chiefs will not lose to the Chargers at Arrowhead. Period. They're a bad team that doesn't play well on the road.

The only way the Chiefs lose at San Diego on December 29th is because Reid is resting his starters for the playoffs. By that point, San Diego will have packed it in because they won't make the playoffs. The weather will be nice, the fans will be out of town for the holidays or hosting family members, blah, blah, blah.

Either way, if the Chiefs lose to San Diego, it won't mean anything at that point.

keg in kc
11-14-2013, 01:52 PM
Either you're beat down from years of being a Chiefs fan or you're not watching any other team other than the Chiefs. There is no ****ing way I can look at either of those games and even believe there's a 5% chance of a loss.I've been watching a Chiefs team that can't sustain drives or finish offensive possessions with TDs and has to rely on field position gained from turnovers as well as return touchdowns to score enough points to barely win games.

Now, I don't think there's anything "fluke-y" about the 9-0 start, but I also don't believe the blueprint they've used is one that can be sustained or relied upon through 16 games. If this team is going to win more than 13 games, it will require a marked improvement on offense. And I don't have a reason, at this point, to believe that's going to happen.

In fact, if things stay the way that they've been, I think there's actually a real, albeit unlikely, possibility that they finish 12-4 or even 11-5.

htismaqe
11-14-2013, 01:54 PM
As long as they don't finish 13-3, I'm good.

mr. tegu
11-14-2013, 01:55 PM
Denver clearly has the most pressure on them in this game. It isn't even be a debate.

DaneMcCloud
11-14-2013, 01:56 PM
I've been watching a Chiefs team that can't sustain drives or finish offensive possessions with TDs and has to rely on field position gained from turnovers as well as return touchdowns to score enough points to barely win games.

And apparently, you haven't looked around the rest of the NFL.

Now, I don't think there's anything "fluke-y" about the 9-0 start, but I also don't believe the blueprint they've used is one that can be sustained or relied upon through 16 games.

Yet, the Broncos can sustain 43 points a game?

Grass is always greener.


If this team is going to win more than 13 games, it will require a marked improvement on offense. And I don't have a reason, at this point, to believe that's going to happen.

And I disagree. The Chargers defense isn't good. The Colts defense isn't good. The Broncos defense isn't good. The Raiders and Redskins are garbage.

The Chiefs won't go undefeated but with their defense, they won't need to suddenly score 30 a game to win.

In fact, if things stay the way that they've been, I think there's actually a real, albeit unlikely, possibility that they finish 12-4 or even 11-5.

Nonsense.

duncan_idaho
11-14-2013, 01:57 PM
If the Chiefs win in Denver Sunday, it's hard to see them NOT winning the division.

But if they don't... I could see 2 and possibly 3 more losses from this group:

Home vs. Denver
Indy
@Washington
@San Diego

Indy's spirit might be crushed... Tavon Austin pretty much beat them single-handedly on Sunday. Not counting on that just yet, though.

DaneMcCloud
11-14-2013, 02:00 PM
But if they don't... I could see 2 and possibly 3 more losses from this group:

Home vs. Denver
Indy
@Washington
@San Diego


LMAO

You clearly haven't seen any of those teams play this season, especially the Colts since they beat the Broncos.

Washington is 3-6. They're awful. I've already explained the San Diego game.

DaneMcCloud
11-14-2013, 02:02 PM
Denver clearly has the most pressure on them in this game. It isn't even be a debate.

Denver has to play a tough Chiefs team in 20 degree weather Sunday night, then head to New England and Kansas City in successive weeks.

Even if the Chiefs lose Sunday, they'll send Peyton Manning to New England in worse shape than he is currently, then will have to face the Chiefs and the Arrowhead crowd the following week.

At his age, I wouldn't be surprised to see him miss a game before the season's over.

keg in kc
11-14-2013, 02:04 PM
And apparently, you haven't looked around the rest of the NFL.Yes Dane, because ignorance is the only reason anyone could possibly have a perception that differs from your own.Yet, the Broncos can sustain 43 points a game? Where did I say that?

(Answer: nowhere)The Chiefs won't go undefeated but with their defense, they won't need to suddenly score 30 a game to win.Again, where did I say that?

I don't think they'll need 30 points a game. I do think they'll need an offense that's actually consistently contributing to the team's time of possession, that isn't leaving big plays on the field every week, and isn't trying to cover a wholesale ineffectiveness under the cloak of "winning field position".

What I'm saying is that the offense, at some point, is going to have to contribute to some of these wins. That doesn't mean scoring thirty points. Although it may occasionally mean scoring 23 or 24 or even 27. Gasp. So many points.

If they don't, if things stay as they have been, I think it's pretty likely that they lose some games that you and I both think they should win. Hell, that's without even considering the possibility of the defense having an off week.

htismaqe
11-14-2013, 02:05 PM
The Chiefs won't go undefeated but with their defense, they won't need to suddenly score 30 a game to win.

Absolutely agree with this.

Dinny Bossa Nova
11-14-2013, 02:19 PM
Dontari Poe had a good game against Dallas' starting quarterback. Hali sacked Eli twice. I don't know if Denver's OL is ranked very high. I just have a feeling Hali and Poe are going to have big days, and Poe will send Peyton to the bench.

Is Jacksonville's defense any good? Peyton had a tough day against them. He completed three passes to Washington's defense, and doesn't seem to be "risk-adverse." Hali and Poe can make things difficult even if they aren't getting their hands on him. Peyton doesn't seem to play well rattled. I hope at some point his focus on getting the refs lined out causes some problems, as well.

As far as our offense goes, it would be great if this is the coming out party for all the stuff Andy has "kept under wraps", but I think it will be more like our OL finally plays up to the level of 5 Mini-Ditkas, allowing the offense to contribute just enough to help us to go 1-0 this week.

I have no idea what the final score will be. Peyton is kinda like two touchdowns just by showin up. Our D seems to turn likely TDs into field goals and INTs to Pick6s. Our O is not arena type. Succop is money.

Chiefs win 23-17?

(I know, that's why I never make predictions.)

Dinny

duncan_idaho
11-14-2013, 02:20 PM
LMAO

You clearly haven't seen any of those teams play this season, especially the Colts since they beat the Broncos.

Washington is 3-6. They're awful. I've already explained the San Diego game.

I've watched all of those teams play quite a bit. Especially Denver, San Diego and Indy (I've watched all of Indy's games since Wayne went down). Just because someone watches games and comes away with a different opinion of that game/team than you doesn't mean you're the only one watching them play.

San Diego could very well be fighting for its playoff life at that point in the season. Indy has had one bad game, and I actually agree that team is on the way down, but I need to see a little more before I believe the St. Louis game is more than an aberration. And Washington... yes, up-and-down this season, but that team has a formula that could give the Chiefs some trouble on the road (mobile quarterback who is a threat to run, good running back/running game).

And I didn't say they WOULD lose all of those, just that 2 or 3 from that group wouldn't completely surprise me.

duncan_idaho
11-14-2013, 02:23 PM
Dontari Poe had a good game against Dallas' starting quarterback. Hali sacked Eli twice. I don't know if Denver's OL is ranked very high. I just have a feeling Hali and Poe are going to have big days, and Poe will send Peyton to the bench.

Is Jacksonville's defense any good? Peyton had a tough day against them. He completed three passes to Washington's defense, and doesn't seem to be "risk-adverse." Hali and Poe can make things difficult even if they aren't getting their hands on him. Peyton doesn't seem to play well rattled. I hope at some point his focus on getting the refs lined out causes some problems, as well.

As far as our offense goes, it would be great if this is the coming out party for all the stuff Andy has "kept under wraps", but I think it will be more like our OL finally plays up to the level of 5 Mini-Ditkas, allowing the offense to contribute just enough to help us to go 1-0 this week.

I have no idea what the final score will be. Peyton is kinda like two touchdowns just by showin up. Our D seems to turn likely TDs into field goals and INTs to Pick6s. Our O is not arena type. Succop is money.

Chiefs win 23-17?

(I know, that's why I never make predictions.)

Dinny

Are you referencing something specific regarding the bolded statement?

I think the idea that Reid is holding stuff back at this point is just fan hope/attempt to explain away offensive ineptitude.

DaneMcCloud
11-14-2013, 02:27 PM
Yes Dane, because ignorance is the only reason anyone could possibly have a perception that differs from your own.Where did I say that?

Answer me this, Batman: How many NFL games have you watched, from start to finish this season, other than the Chiefs?

A cursory look around the NFL this past Sunday, during the Chiefs Bye, would show terrible outings by many playoff contenders. The Bengals and Ravens were awful, the once great Steelers worse, the Broncos couldn't score in the second half against a lame San Diego team, the 49ers had 91 yards passing, etc. and so on.

Too many people in this forum focus solely on the Chiefs deficiencies yet fail to recognize that 95% of NFL teams have far more issues.

(Answer: nowhere)Again, where did I say that?

It's implied.

The Broncos of course can continue at this pace but the Chiefs can't.

That's all I keep hearing from the national media and "Chicken Littles" in this forum".

I don't think they'll need 30 points a game. I do think they'll need an offense that's actually consistently contributing to the team's time of possession, that isn't leaving big plays on the field every week, and isn't trying to cover a wholesale ineffectiveness under the cloak of "winning field position".

Wait: So the Chiefs aren't winning the time of possession battle and their games?

Huh?

What I'm saying is that the offense, at some point, is going to have to contribute to some of these wins. That doesn't mean scoring thirty points. Although it may occasionally mean scoring 23 or 24 or even 27. Gasp. So many points.

Oh, so the offense isn't contributing or hasn't contributed?

I think we're watching different teams.

While the Chiefs have most certainly left numerous points on the field, they've only needed a defensive score to win a football game just once, in Buffalo.

If they don't, if things stay as they have been, I think it's pretty likely that they lose some games that you and I both think they should win. Hell, that's without even considering the possibility of the defense having an off week.

I'm sorry, I just don't buy that. Having watched the Colts, Redskins, Raiders and Chargers several times this year, I just don't see how the Chiefs could possibly go 2-5 after the Bye.

That's just unequivocal nonsense.

DaneMcCloud
11-14-2013, 02:32 PM
I've watched all of those teams play quite a bit. Especially Denver, San Diego and Indy (I've watched all of Indy's games since Wayne went down). Just because someone watches games and comes away with a different opinion of that game/team than you doesn't mean you're the only one watching them play.

San Diego could very well be fighting for its playoff life at that point in the season. Indy has had one bad game, and I actually agree that team is on the way down, but I need to see a little more before I believe the St. Louis game is more than an aberration. And Washington... yes, up-and-down this season, but that team has a formula that could give the Chiefs some trouble on the road (mobile quarterback who is a threat to run, good running back/running game).

And I didn't say they WOULD lose all of those, just that 2 or 3 from that group wouldn't completely surprise me.

The Colts had a difficult time with the Texans before Kubiak's collapse. They won because the Texans lost complete and total focus on the game, which is completely understandable given what they just witnessed. The Rams game was just a continuation of the Texans game, albeit without the loss of the opposing team's coach.

The Redskins defense is atrocious. The Chiefs haven't had an issue with mobile QB's this season. Andy Reid is 3-0 against the NFC East and I don't see any rational reason for that not to become 4-0.

We clearly disagree on San Diego. I see a bad team with a QB that seems to shit himself at the most inopportune times. Whisenhunt's play calling has been questionable and I don't believe they have a playoff caliber defense.

Dinny Bossa Nova
11-14-2013, 02:34 PM
Are you referencing something specific regarding the bolded statement?

I think the idea that Reid is holding stuff back at this point is just fan hope/attempt to explain away offensive ineptitude.

Hence the quotation marks. It would certainly showcase Andy's sense of humor. But I don't believe any coach with a new team/players/scheme/etc. is even able to "hold back" anything. I believe things can be added as things gel, but that's not the same thing.

I'm really hoping for the Mini-Ditka OL thing, though. Hoping, not calling.

Dinny

DaneMcCloud
11-14-2013, 02:37 PM
Furthermore, I can't see San Diego in the playoff hunt come December 29th for many reasons, including their schedule. At 4-5, they'll need at least nine wins (if not ten) to make the playoffs because Denver, KC, NE and Indy are virtual locks, with Cincy, Cleveland, Baltimore and the Jets battling for the final two spots.

So, SD will need at least five out of their last seven wins against @Miami, @KC, Cincy, NY Giants, @Denver, Oakland and KC.

That doesn't leave them much room for error.

duncan_idaho
11-14-2013, 02:42 PM
The Colts had a difficult time with the Texans before Kubiak's collapse. They won because the Texans lost complete and total focus on the game, which is completely understandable given what they just witnessed. The Rams game was just a continuation of the Texans game, albeit without the loss of the opposing team's coach.

The Redskins defense is atrocious. The Chiefs haven't had an issue with mobile QB's this season. Andy Reid is 3-0 against the NFC East and I don't see any rational reason for that not to become 4-0.

We clearly disagree on San Diego. I see a bad team with a QB that seems to shit himself at the most inopportune times. Whisenhunt's play calling has been questionable and I don't believe they have a playoff caliber defense.

We're not far apart on the Colts moving downhill, actually. I think that team is on the way down this season, but need to see at least one more week's worth of effort before I BELIEVE that.

Regarding Redskins, yes that D is not good. I expect KC's O to put up 17-20 points, based on what we've seen so far from the Chefs. But the Redskins DO have some talent offensively and have the game at home. Not predicting a LOSS, just a game that is not a sure WIN.

I look at San Diego and see a team whose D is not great but is capable of holding the Chiefs' anemic offense to 20 points or less. I also see an offense that can move the ball and is good enough to jump out to a lead and force KC to play catchup.

mr. tegu
11-14-2013, 02:42 PM
The Chiefs don't have much to lose this weekend but they have a lot to gain. The great thing is that if the Chiefs beat Denver these two games and beat San Diego and Denver loses to NE, then the Chiefs will have won the division on December 1st. That would make any potential losses towards the end much less meaningful.

Obviously that is a lot of speculation but it is not beyond the realm of possiblity, especially if we win this weekend and really knock Manning around leaving him even worse off than he is now.

mr. tegu
11-14-2013, 02:44 PM
We're not far apart on the Colts moving downhill, actually. I think that team is on the way down this season, but need to see at least one more week's worth of effort before I BELIEVE that.

Well you only have to wait about five more hours. I actually think Tennessee wins tonight.

Tombstone RJ
11-14-2013, 02:45 PM
http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/files/2012/03/clinton-portis-broncos.jpg

DaneMcCloud
11-14-2013, 02:53 PM
I look at San Diego and see a team whose D is not great but is capable of holding the Chiefs' anemic offense to 20 points or less. I also see an offense that can move the ball and is good enough to jump out to a lead and force KC to play catchup.

The issue I have with the last game of the season is San Diego's will to win.

If they're out of the playoff picture, I think we'll see an anemic Chargers team. If the Chiefs have a first round bye or a WC game schedule at Arrowhead, I think we'll see a virtual preseason performance by the Chiefs. If the Chiefs need a victory to secure home field and the Chargers are out of it, I think we'll see a determined Chiefs team that will overwhelm San Diego.

The bottom line is that I really don't see the Chargers game as being competitive. If the Chiefs need it, they'll win. If they don't, it won't matter if they win or lose.

DaneMcCloud
11-14-2013, 02:55 PM
Well you only have to wait about five more hours. I actually think Tennessee wins tonight.

If Tennessee wins that division, then the Colts will have fallen off the cliff even further than I could have imagined.

Ryan Fitzgerald as a playoff QB?

LMAO

gblowfish
11-14-2013, 02:56 PM
One thing I will bet on. I bet Alex Smith gets hit late, gets hit high, gets hit around knees, on repeated occasions. And if we so much as breathe on the Big Giant Forehead we'll get a roughing penalty. Guarantee it.

duncan_idaho
11-14-2013, 03:00 PM
The issue I have with the last game of the season is San Diego's will to win.

If they're out of the playoff picture, I think we'll see an anemic Chargers team. If the Chiefs have a first round bye or a WC game schedule at Arrowhead, I think we'll see a virtual preseason performance by the Chiefs. If the Chiefs need a victory to secure home field and the Chargers are out of it, I think we'll see a determined Chiefs team that will overwhelm San Diego.

The bottom line is that I really don't see the Chargers game as being competitive. If the Chiefs need it, they'll win. If they don't, it won't matter if they win or lose.

Depends on how things go. I can see them winning in Miami this week. The Bengals game will be a real swing for them... they have that game at home and Cincinnati sans-Geno Atkins is not as formidable defensively.

They'll beat the Giants in San Diego. They'll beat the Raiders in San Diego. They need 2 more wins before KC comes in for that game to even potentially matter.

Definitely possible it isn't on the table.

The only game left on the Chiefs schedule that I will say flat out is a loss is the one Sunday. The other games I identified after this Sunday are just games that I wouldn't be surprised to see them lose (not saying would, or should, or even likely WILL).

Prison Bitch
11-14-2013, 03:19 PM
31-16 evil people.

Chiefs Pantalones
11-14-2013, 05:51 PM
It's fair to say that winning on Sunday at Denver goes a long way in winning the division. Winning a road division game is essentially two wins because now the pressure is on the other team to win at your place the next time around. That, and I think Denver loses at NE. This game is huge. I could see Denver possibly losing three in a row if we beat them. That bye couldn't have come at a better time for us, and Manning dinged up couldn't have come at a worse time for Denver. We'll see soon enough.

OnTheWarpath15
11-14-2013, 05:58 PM
I've watched all of those teams play quite a bit. Especially Denver, San Diego and Indy (I've watched all of Indy's games since Wayne went down). Just because someone watches games and comes away with a different opinion of that game/team than you doesn't mean you're the only one watching them play.

San Diego could very well be fighting for its playoff life at that point in the season. Indy has had one bad game, and I actually agree that team is on the way down, but I need to see a little more before I believe the St. Louis game is more than an aberration. And Washington... yes, up-and-down this season, but that team has a formula that could give the Chiefs some trouble on the road (mobile quarterback who is a threat to run, good running back/running game).

And I didn't say they WOULD lose all of those, just that 2 or 3 from that group wouldn't completely surprise me.

After beating three teams with a combined 9 wins by a combined 17 points over the last three weeks, I'm not sure why anyone would see ANY team on our schedule as a sure win.

Is Washington a good team? Nope.

Is Indy moving in the wrong direction? Looks like it.

But we haven't exactly looked great against poor teams - not sure why you are being ridiculed for thinking those teams could trip us up.

DaneMcCloud
11-14-2013, 06:01 PM
But we haven't exactly looked great against poor teams - not sure why you are being ridiculed for thinking those teams could trip us up.

Because the defense is holding teams to 12 points a game.

I can't imagine Indy at Arrowhead, with their deficiencies, beating the Chiefs in December.

DaneMcCloud
11-14-2013, 06:03 PM
It's fair to say that winning on Sunday at Denver goes a long way in winning the division. Winning a road division game is essentially two wins because now the pressure is on the other team to win at your place the next time around. That, and I think Denver loses at NE. This game is huge. I could see Denver possibly losing three in a row if we beat them. That bye couldn't have come at a better time for us, and Manning dinged up couldn't have come at a worse time for Denver. We'll see soon enough.

Denver has KC, NE and KC again.

Even IF both teams continue to play as they've been playing all season, Denver has a tougher road, IMO, than the Chiefs.

OnTheWarpath15
11-14-2013, 06:04 PM
Because the defense is holding teams to 12 points a game.

I can't imagine Indy at Arrowhead, with their deficiencies, beating the Chiefs in December.

I couldn't imagine a Houston coming into Arrowhead with a third string QB and playing the Chiefs to a 1-point game either, yet it happened.

PunkinDrublic
11-14-2013, 06:13 PM
Denver has KC, NE and KC again.

Even IF both teams continue to play as they've been playing all season, Denver has a tougher road, IMO, than the Chiefs.

I don't think NE will be as tough to beat as they have been in the past. Even after coming off playing the Chiefs I think that's a very winnable game for Denver. I hope I'm wrong but from what I've seen the Pats are starting to fall off.

keg in kc
11-14-2013, 06:13 PM
After beating three teams with a combined 9 wins by a combined 17 points over the last three weeks, I'm not sure why anyone would see ANY team on our schedule as a sure win.

Is Washington a good team? Nope.

Is Indy moving in the wrong direction? Looks like it.

But we haven't exactly looked great against poor teams - not sure why you are being ridiculed for thinking those teams could trip us up.Not to mention that every team left on our schedule is capable of shutting us down offensively. Because that's what every team that we've faced so far this season has done, whether their defense was good or not.

Although, yes, maybe the defense keeps scoring touchdowns. Maybe the steady increase in points allowed stops and we go back to single-digits allowed in half our games. Maybe we stop seeing defensive breakdowns leading to long plays and games that are looking like we're right on the verge of a blowout heading the wrong direction.

SAUTO
11-14-2013, 06:16 PM
Answer me this, Batman: How many NFL games have you watched, from start to finish this season, other than the Chiefs?

A cursory look around the NFL this past Sunday, during the Chiefs Bye, would show terrible outings by many playoff contenders. The Bengals and Ravens were awful, the once great Steelers worse, the Broncos couldn't score in the second half against a lame San Diego team, the 49ers had 91 yards passing, etc. and so on.

Too many people in this forum focus solely on the Chiefs deficiencies yet fail to recognize that 95% of NFL teams have far more issues.



It's implied.

The Broncos of course can continue at this pace but the Chiefs can't.

That's all I keep hearing from the national media and "Chicken Littles" in this forum".



Wait: So the Chiefs aren't winning the time of possession battle and their games?

Huh?



Oh, so the offense isn't contributing or hasn't contributed?

I think we're watching different teams.

While the Chiefs have most certainly left numerous points on the field, they've only needed a defensive score to win a football game just once, in Buffalo.



I'm sorry, I just don't buy that. Having watched the Colts, Redskins, Raiders and Chargers several times this year, I just don't see how the Chiefs could possibly go 2-5 after the Bye.

That's just unequivocal nonsense. do you think you are the only one who watches games, Dane?
Fucking phone... I'm sure I'm not the one who watches the most here but I usually watch at least three games all the way through each well

I'm sure I dint watch the most out of everyone here
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Easy 6
11-14-2013, 06:17 PM
28 - 27 Kansas City

Chiefs Pantalones
11-14-2013, 06:18 PM
Denver has KC, NE and KC again.

Even IF both teams continue to play as they've been playing all season, Denver has a tougher road, IMO, than the Chiefs.

Definitely agree. I wouldn't envy that three game stretch. That's likely the division right there maybe.

RunKC
11-14-2013, 06:19 PM
Denver has KC, NE and KC again.

Even IF both teams continue to play as they've been playing all season, Denver has a tougher road, IMO, than the Chiefs.

I don't think Denver will lose again after they play at Arrowhead. Their last 4 games are against the following teams.

Titans
Chargers
@Texans
@Raiders

Just don't see that happening.

Hammock Parties
11-14-2013, 06:20 PM
Broncos 48, Chiefs 14

Alex Smith throws 5 interceptions.

Chiefs Pantalones
11-14-2013, 06:22 PM
Broncos 48, Chiefs 14

Alex Smith throws 5 interceptions.

You have to throw it in coverage to get INTs ;)

DonInDenver
11-14-2013, 06:23 PM
Not trying to steal the thread. I don't have 100 posts yet. I was listening to 104.3 Fm here in Denver today and one of the so called commentators was saying that KC is gonna finish 9-7 or 10-6 at best. No chance at sniffing the playoffs. His name is Alfred Williams. What say you? Are we 0 for the rest of the way, maybe sneak out one more win, or do we have a legitimate chance?

Chiefs Pantalones
11-14-2013, 06:25 PM
Not trying to steal the thread. I don't have 100 posts yet. I was listening to 104.3 Fm here in Denver today and one of the so called commentators was saying that KC is gonna finish 9-7 or 10-6 at best. No chance at sniffing the playoffs. His name is Alfred Williams. What say you?

It's possible. /CP and battered fans everywhere

Brock
11-14-2013, 06:26 PM
Not trying to steal the thread. I don't have 100 posts yet. I was listening to 104.3 Fm here in Denver today and one of the so called commentators was saying that KC is gonna finish 9-7 or 10-6 at best. No chance at sniffing the playoffs. His name is Alfred Williams. What say you?

That's silly. That's a complete collapse.

Easy 6
11-14-2013, 06:28 PM
Alfred needs to stop smoking meth before it kills him.

DonInDenver
11-14-2013, 06:28 PM
I agree, that is why I brought it up.

FlaChief58
11-14-2013, 06:28 PM
Not trying to steal the thread. I don't have 100 posts yet. I was listening to 104.3 Fm here in Denver today and one of the so called commentators was saying that KC is gonna finish 9-7 or 10-6 at best. No chance at sniffing the playoffs. His name is Alfred Williams. What say you? Are we 0 for the rest of the way, maybe sneak out one more win, or do we have a legitimate chance?

Crack is whack

Marcellus
11-14-2013, 06:32 PM
I couldn't imagine a Houston coming into Arrowhead with a third string QB and playing the Chiefs to a 1-point game either, yet it happened.

Remind me again, what was your prediction for this season?

I am guessing you weren't even in the ballpark. You continually railed that this team wasn't as talented as others claimed.

I would think the whole 9-0 thing is completely unimaginable to you.

Yet you couldn't imagine things like Houston coming to Arrowhead and being competitive with a top 10 defense? Never yet with a QB who has played well every game he has started BTW.

Unimaginable.

OnTheWarpath15
11-14-2013, 06:35 PM
Remind me again, what was your prediction for this season?

I am guessing you weren't even in the ballpark. You continually railed that this team wasn't as talented as others claimed.

I would think the whole 9-0 thing is completely unimaginable to you.

Yet you couldn't imagine things like Houston coming to Arrowhead and being competitive with a top 10 defense? Never yet with a QB who has played well every game he has started BTW.

Unimaginable.

Hey, Dane Jr. How's it going?

I guess you can see into the future - and know that Keenum would continue to play well after his first career start - in Arrowhead?

Meanwhile, I have no problem admitting I was wrong. I suggested we'd win 8-9 games - just like damn near everyone else on this board, give or take a game or two either side.

Enjoy the view from your high horse.

LMAO

keg in kc
11-14-2013, 06:41 PM
Denver has KC, NE and KC again.

Even IF both teams continue to play as they've been playing all season, Denver has a tougher road, IMO, than the Chiefs.I think their schedule lines-up well for them. The only challenge on their schedule, as I see it, is the next three weeks. Weather wise it's not actually that bad for them. Average temps at NE in late November are 39-47. They don't have another road game in a cold city after we host them December 1st (avg temp here then is 33-45). Titans at home Dec 8th is a win. Chargers at home Dec 12th is a win (avg then 26-41, their last home game of the reg season). At Houston Dec 22nd is a win (avg temp 49-61). At Oakland Dec 29th is a win (avg temp 45-54).

I just don't see any sort of challenge there, aside from KC/NE/KC. They win 2 of those and they probably finish the year 14-2. I think the only advantage our schedule has is that it doesn't have Brady on it, but I see a tougher string of games collectively. As others have pointed out, the Redskins are exactly the kind of offense that can give us fits, the Colts can certainly beat us whether you want to believe it or not, and I'm just not confident that we'll sweep the Chargers. Rarely do division series' go like that. And that's aside from facing the Broncos twice. Will we lose all those games? No, I doubt it. But 2 or 3 of them could well be all it takes.

And lest you forget it, the whole reason I'm pointing this out is not to say that I think we lose Sunday, or that we can't win, or that we can't beat any of those teams, or that we'll finish the year with a bunch of losses. No, it's simply to emphasize why I believe a win in Sunday's game is so important to us.

Sweet Daddy Hate
11-14-2013, 06:42 PM
Hey, Dane Jr. How's it going?

I guess you can see into the future - and know that Keenum would continue to play well after his first career start - in Arrowhead?

Meanwhile, I have no problem admitting I was wrong. I suggested we'd win 8-9 games - just like damn near everyone else on this board, give or take a game or two either side.

Enjoy the view from your high horse.

LMAO

I suggested 7 tops. I was clearly wrong.*





































*About how awesome this defense is, AMIRITE?!?!?:)

TribalElder
11-14-2013, 06:46 PM
We win by 10+

Shocking isn't it

SAUTO
11-14-2013, 07:15 PM
Hey, Dane Jr. How's it going?

I guess you can see into the future - and know that Keenum would continue to play well after his first career start - in Arrowhead?

Meanwhile, I have no problem admitting I was wrong. I suggested we'd win 8-9 games - just like damn near everyone else on this board, give or take a game or two either side.

Enjoy the view from your high horse.

LMAO

Exactly. Funny how some think since you didn't think we'd be in this position you can't talk anymore.


They would still be talking if we were o'fer
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mr. tegu
11-14-2013, 07:42 PM
Houston can beat Denver. That is far from an easy victory.

mr. tegu
11-14-2013, 08:04 PM
Well you only have to wait about five more hours. I actually think Tennessee wins tonight.

Looks like a good call so far with Tenneessee up 14-0.

No way can this Indy team beat us.

Marcellus
11-14-2013, 08:12 PM
Exactly. Funny how some think since you didn't think we'd be in this position you can't talk anymore.


They would still be talking if we were o'fer
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You don't see the humor in people who thought we would win 9 games max the whole season saying its unacceptable that we only beat the Texans by 1?

This shit is hilarious and it just keeps on coming.

And for the record OTWP I am enjoying my perch on this horse. I haven't been a whiney crybaby bag for years and I predicted KC would win more games than the 49ers this year.

**** yea I'm happy.

But continue to preach to me smugly about football.

SAUTO
11-14-2013, 08:13 PM
You don't see the humor in people who thought we would win 9 games max the whole season saying its unacceptable that we only beat the Texans by 1?

This shit is hilarious and it just keeps on coming.

And for the record OTWP I am enjoying my perch on this horse. I haven't been a whiney crybaby bag for years and I predicted KC would win more games than the 49ers this year.

**** yea I'm happy.
How many games did you predict us to win last year? How about the year prior ?
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SAUTO
11-14-2013, 08:14 PM
And expectations change as the situations change
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a pp roach
11-14-2013, 08:15 PM
it's been a long 2 weeks and it hasn't even been 2 weeks yet...****.

is it sunday yet?

final score:

broncos 30
chiefs 31

Marcellus
11-14-2013, 08:18 PM
How many games did you predict us to win last year? How about the year prior ?
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10 last year. Not sure about the year before.

What's that got to do with bitching incessantly while being 9-0 because you never expected it could happen?

So then you spend all your time explaining why it won't continue because you have to justify your opinion.

If I had a dollar for every time OTWP said the talent on this team was overrated I could buy us both season tickets.

Marcellus
11-14-2013, 08:20 PM
And expectations change as the situations change
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Doesn't seem like the expectations have changed much as the same people bitch while we win games. That's the same expectation is it not?

Enjoy the rude, quit worrying about how you got there.

SAUTO
11-14-2013, 08:21 PM
10 last year. Not sure about the year before.

What's that got to do with bitching incessantly while being 9-0 because you never expected it could happen?

So then you spend all your time explaining why it won't continue because you have to justify your opinion.

If I had a dollar for every time OTWP said the talent on this team was overrated I could buy us both season tickets.
so when you were wrong did you still discuss and give your opinions on the team?

I know the answer is yes.

Main thing here is we are all fans. We see things differently though. If we all agreed and were right every time this place would fucking suck.

And honestly most of us wouldn't be here if we didn't like to give our opinions and argue them out with people who disagreed
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SAUTO
11-14-2013, 08:22 PM
Well most of us are fans.
not pointed at you Marcy
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SAUTO
11-14-2013, 08:23 PM
Doesn't seem like the expectations have changed much as the same people bitch while we win games. That's the same expectation is it not?

Enjoy the rude, quit worrying about how you got there.
Obviously they have changed. He was bitching we only won by one point.


And we all enjoy the rude, that's why we're here, lol.
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a pp roach
11-14-2013, 08:24 PM
Enjoy the rude, quit worrying about how you got there.

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/250x250/32896107.jpg

Marcellus
11-14-2013, 08:26 PM
so when you were wrong did you still discuss and give your opinions on the team?

I know the answer is yes.

Main thing here is we are all fans. We see things differently though. If we all agreed and were right every time this place would ****ing suck.

And honestly most of us wouldn't be here if we didn't like to give our opinions and argue them out with people who disagreed
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I wouldn't argue that and I would add that as you know every thing I was wrong about was pointed out and still is sometimes.

Spending 6 months talking about how bad the team is does not give you free pass when you are 100% wrong later and throwing up ridiculous qualifiers as to why you should be disappointed at this point.

CP does not and will never work that way.

Marcellus
11-14-2013, 08:27 PM
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/250x250/32896107.jpg

I don't know who the fuck you are but you are already annoying.

SAUTO
11-14-2013, 08:27 PM
I wouldn't argue that and I would add that as you know every thing I was wrong about was pointed out and still is sometimes.

Spending 6 months talking about how bad the team is does not give you free pass when you are 100% wrong later and throwing up ridiculous qualifiers as to why you should be disappointed at this point.

CP does not and will never work that way. hey I was a Cassel apologist or have you forgotten?

I WANT to believe. I really do.
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SAUTO
11-14-2013, 08:28 PM
I don't know who the fuck you are but you are already annoying.

From his first post
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a pp roach
11-14-2013, 08:28 PM
I don't know who the **** you are but you are already annoying.

i should have included a smiley face in that post, and for not doing so i apologize. here is your smiley :D

Marcellus
11-14-2013, 08:36 PM
hey I was a Cassel apologist or have you forgotten?

I WANT to believe. I really do.
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I backed Cassel early on as well. After the Ravens playoff game I was done.

Smith is not Cassel nor is he Tom Brady. We all knew this.

He does have guts and he is smart. And I think he got a raw deal in SF and said so at the time before we traded for him.

Honestly I expected him to be better than this up to this point so I still expect to see better moving forward.

I have also stated many many time he has to play better moving forward.

SAUTO
11-14-2013, 08:44 PM
Why would you expect him to play better in the future?

He's basically playing to his career averages right now
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Red Dawg
11-14-2013, 08:44 PM
hey I was a Cassel apologist or have you forgotten?

I WANT to believe. I really do.
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I believe we are going to be good the next few years and who knows how far we make get this year. With a few improvements we will own the division next year. Manning will be gone and if you look around the AFC tbere is not a lot of greatness to knock us around. Brady is old and Lucks team is full of holes.

mlyonsd
11-14-2013, 09:17 PM
Bad feeling.

Donkos 31
Us 13

Marcellus
11-14-2013, 09:50 PM
Why would you expect him to play better in the future?

He's basically playing to his career averages right now
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Rediculous.

All things are equal through everyone's career right? I'm just as good at my job now as I was 15 years ago!

Hammock Parties
11-14-2013, 09:54 PM
Rediculous.

All things are equal through everyone's career right? I'm just as good at my job now as I was 15 years ago!

He's going to be 30 in May. He has 84 games of starting experience.

Improvement is not likely.

This is who he is.

And since i know you're going to disagree...go ahead and find me a quarterback who significantly changed his game and improved by a great deal after 80 starts.

SAUTO
11-14-2013, 09:56 PM
Rediculous.

All things are equal through everyone's career right? I'm just as good at my job now as I was 15 years ago!

I don't know what kind of stats they keep in whatever you do but in the NFL they keep track of what you do per game, season, career.

I'm asking why you would think that after eight and a half years when he's putting up right around his career averages that he's going to play better in the future.
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Pablo
11-14-2013, 09:57 PM
Rediculous.

All things are equal through everyone's career right? I'm just as good at my job now as I was 15 years ago!LMAO

I'm not going to bash Smith because he is what we all thought he was at this point.

A guy that can throw for 3,500 and 20 TD's in his best year.

He's not going to throw the team on his back and start chucking TD's or orchestrate some sort of phenomenal passing offense.

He'll get some yards with his legs, make some big plays here and there, and be overwhelmingly average the rest of the time.

KcMizzou
11-14-2013, 09:59 PM
I don't know what kind of stats they keep in whatever you do but in the NFL they keep track of what you do per game, season, career.

I'm asking why you would think that after eight and a half years when he's putting up right around his career averages that he's going to play better in the future.
Posted via Mobile DeviceAndy Reid.

He's an offensive minded coach with a terrific defense. He'll make this offense, and Smith (by proxy) better in the off season.

Pablo
11-14-2013, 10:02 PM
And since i know you're going to disagree...go ahead and find me a quarterback who significantly changed his game and improved by a great deal after 80 starts.I'll wait for this one as well.

The tape is out on Alex. He's not taking anyone by surprise at this point.

He is what he is.

Marcellus
11-14-2013, 10:03 PM
LMAO

I'm not going to bash Smith because he is what we all thought he was at this point.

A guy that can throw for 3,500 and 20 TD's in his best year.

He's not going to throw the team on his back and start chucking TD's or orchestrating some sort of phenomenal passing offense.

He'll get some yards with his legs, make some big plays here and there, and be overwhelmingly average the rest of the time.

Never said that.

Here is a better way to put it.

When my career is over, I hope my overall average is higher than the average of the first 1/2 of my career.

Marcellus
11-14-2013, 10:05 PM
He's going to be 30 in May. He has 84 games of starting experience.

Improvement is not likely.

This is who he is.

And since i know you're going to disagree...go ahead and find me a quarterback who significantly changed his game and improved by a great deal after 80 starts.

Why 80 starts? Is that a magic number because it fits your agenda?

Steve Young, Rich Gannon, Trent Green, Eli Manning and many others had non descript early careers.

Hammock Parties
11-14-2013, 10:06 PM
Why 80 starts? IS that a magic number because it fits your agenda?

Steve Young, Rich Gannon, Trent Green, Eli Manning and many others had non descript early creers.

That's how many starts Alex has.

You're sitting here telling me he's going to improve after he's been Mr. Meh for 80 starts.

Find me an example.

And none of the guys you listed made quantum leaps after their 80th start, sorry.