Dad Goes To Pick Kids Up From School, Gets Arrested Instead

[Deberg_1990]

what do you think? Justified or not?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/20/jim-howe-arrested-school-pick-up-tennessee_n_4310672.html




A Tennessee parent was arrested last week after complaining about the student pick-up policy at his children's school.

Video of the incident, posted online Saturday, shows dad Jim Howe getting arrested for disorderly conduct at South Cumberland Elementary School. The footage, recorded by Howe's fiancée, had more than 110,000 views on YouTube as of Wednesday afternoon.

As explained in the clip, the school recently instituted a new pick-up policy that asks parents to wait in a line of cars before their children are released from school. Howe, however, felt the line of cars caused safety issues. (The video states the policy causes “traffic [to be] backed up over a mile on a busy highway.”) He walked into the school to pick up his children and speak out about the guidelines.

Howe appears composed throughout the video, as he calls the county sheriff to complain. However, the school resource officer, who according to local outlet WATE-TV is also a sheriff's deputy, seems agitated by both Howe’s desire to involve the sheriff and his continued grievances.

“I’m going to take you up to the jail,” school resource officer Avery Aytes tells Howe. “I’m telling you right now I’m not putting up with this today, you go ahead and record all your want … you’re being childish and it's uncalled for.”

“I’m not raising my voice, I’m not confrontational, I want my kids,” Howe tells the officer.

The video ends with Howe’s arrest.

However, some say the video doesn't tell the whole story. Donald Andrews, the director of Cumberland County Schools, told The Huffington Post the clip was edited to portray Howe in a more favorable light.

"In that situation, quite honestly, the officer that handled that showed quite a bit of restraint," he added.

Andrews said the school instituted the new policy as a safety precaution. He said officials were looking into working out the traffic issues.

“Previously, parents were coming out to pick up children, they were just getting out of cars and coming to school,” Andrews told HuffPost. “In this day in age, the PTO [parent teacher organization] was concerned that it was a safety issue, someone could come up and grab [any] kid.”

Andrews said the school is prepared to defend its actions in court.

“A lot of attention is being drawn because someone doesn’t want to follow rules and guidelines. I stand by the decision to [arrest Howe], we’ll get negative press but that’s OK if it's for the safety [and] well-being of our children,” he said.


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[notorious]

“Previously, parents were coming out to pick up children, they were just getting out of cars and coming to school,” Andrews told HuffPost. “In this day in age, the PTO [parent teacher organization] was concerned that it was a safety issue, someone could come up and grab [any] kid.”



Has it really come to this?

[Bugeater]

However, some say the video doesn't tell the whole story. Donald Andrews, the director of Cumberland County Schools, told The Huffington Post the clip was edited to portray Howe in a more favorable light.
The hell you say!

[Sure-Oz]

officer barbrady bringin the arrest hammer

[kcpasco]

Seems like a real silly rule by the school district. I can imagine you would be waiting a really long time waiting for your kid which would get extremely annoying.

[scho63]

RULE AND RULES AND MORE RULES-Suspensions, arrests, banned from this and banned from that.

SCHOOLS SUCK TODAY!!!!

[notorious]

God forbid parents should be able to walk on school grounds that they pay for to pick up their own children.

The horror.

[seamonster]

Midwest\southern suburbs have some of the worst cops. There's some wierd psychology at play with how some of these tool bags act when they don't have anything to do except hand out speeding tickets and harass high school burnouts. Donkey dick Joe Blow Sherrif Jr. thinks he can arrest anybody that doesn't respect his southpark-like authority.

[Halfcan]

The cop was an asshole. There is no way that is Dissorderly conduct.

I take my son to school all the time-most parents wait in line like they are suppose to and drop their kids off safely-others storm in the parking lot/cut in line and drop them off so they have to walk through the traffic.

I am sorry you are late to work-but that is not everyone elses problem dumbasses- Your children should be your Number 1 priority.

[GloucesterChief]

Midwest\southern suburbs have some of the worst cops. There's some wierd psychology at play with how some of these tool bags act when they don't have anything to do except hand out speeding tickets and harass high school burnouts. Donkey dick Joe Blow Sherrif Jr. thinks he can arrest anybody that doesn't respect his southpark-like authority.

All cops have a 'respect my authoritah' problem. Not limited to one area of the country.

[mcan]

The hell you say!

There weren't a whole lot of internal edits, that's for sure. This is ridiculous. I get that after all these shootings, we need to be more vigilant, and amend some procedures about people being on the property. But that doesn't mean that you get to abuse your authority as an officer and use the jail/courts to win an argument. That's stupid.

[Tribal Warfare]

The Deputy looked extra douchey because the Dad could easily kick his ass

[BossChief]

Hard to judge without all the info. Based strictly on wharlt this video shows, that's some BS in the sherriffs part.

[Katipan]

You HAVE to drive to pick your kids up from school??
The cop isn't the only douchebag.

[SAUTO]

You HAVE to drive to pick your kids up from school??
The cop isn't the only douchebag.

We live in a town where quite a few kids have to have their parents drop them off. No bus service to some places lol
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[T-post Tom]

A lot of undertrained and underpaid deputies. Seems like this one has some psychological issues as well.

[WhiteWhale]

Has it really come to this?

Paranoia? Yeah.

Child abductions are actually less common now.

People are just more trained to be scared of one another.

[HonestChieffan]

Schools are run by idiots. Face it. Teachers and administrators are collectively so out of touch with reality they have no business making rules. Bunch of nitwits and powdr trippers.

[notorious]

Paranoia? Yeah.

Child abductions are actually less common now.

People are just more trained to be scared of one another.

I agree 100%.


Thank goodness I live in a small town where common sense usually rules the day.

[ciaomichael]

I don't get it. If you insist on taking/picking up your child from school, you wait in the car line just like everyone else. That's just simple order. (My wife insists on taking and picking up the children from school, has to leave 45 minutes early. Meanwhile, the free school bus arrives promptly right in front of our house. Never understood why they can't just take the bus.) But, if you want to personally chauffer them to and from school, then you have to sacrifice your time and wait in line like everyone else. Can you imagine the chaos if everyone tried to cut in front of everyone else and insist on walking into the school building to retrieve their child?

[J Diddy]

Schools are run by idiots. Face it. Teachers and administrators are collectively so out of touch with reality they have no business making rules. Bunch of nitwits and powdr trippers.

Do please explain what you mean by this.

[ThaVirus]

"Go gitcher laowsuit. Yer not timinatin me."

:facepalm:

[MOhillbilly]

I learned all I need to know about cops from Cypress Hill.

[MOhillbilly]

ACAB

[crazycoffey]

All cops have a 'respect my authoritah' problem. Not limited to one area of the country.

All assholes have a problem with authority figures.

[GloucesterChief]

All assholes have a problem with authority figures.

The corrupt are drawn to power to echo Lord Acton.

The funny thing is that you actually believe the police are actually peace officers instead of just another gang but one with state sanction.

[MOhillbilly]

The corrupt are drawn to power to echo Lord Acton.

The funny thing is that you actually believe the police are actually peace officers instead of just another gang but one with state sanction.

He's on his way to bust your wise ass now.

[Rausch]

The corrupt are drawn to power to echo Lord Acton.

The funny thing is that you actually believe the police are actually peace officers instead of just another gang but one with state sanction.

Yes.

Rausch's 5'7" toughness and the rest of his family run around town flip'n signs and ruling with an iron fist.

Fucking idiot...

[crazycoffey]

The corrupt are drawn to power to echo Lord Acton.

The funny thing is that you actually believe the police are actually peace officers instead of just another gang but one with state sanction.

Funny you think "land or the free" means you are free to infringe on everyone else's rights regardless of civil protocol. Don't like school policy? By all means don't do it the right way. It's better to slow down the rest of the pickup proceedings that day because you are more important than everyone else and want what you want right now! When an authority figure shows up and says it is time to go, he's the asshole for making you go. :rolleyes:

[Katipan]

I don't get it. If you insist on taking/picking up your child from school, you wait in the car line just like everyone else. That's just simple order. (My wife insists on taking and picking up the children from school, has to leave 45 minutes early. Meanwhile, the free school bus arrives promptly right in front of our house. Never understood why they can't just take the bus.) But, if you want to personally chauffer them to and from school, then you have to sacrifice your time and wait in line like everyone else. Can you imagine the chaos if everyone tried to cut in front of everyone else and insist on walking into the school building to retrieve their child?

What do the kids that walk home do?

[Rausch]

What do the kids that walk home do?

Play knockout...

[crazycoffey]

What do the kids that walk home do?

Buy candy from the weird Jewish pediphile in the white van...

[ciaomichael]

What do the kids that walk home do?

They walk home. What's your point?

[Katipan]

They walk home. What's your point?

I didn't have a point, I had a question.

Now my point is you're a douchebag.

[mschiefs1984]

The Dad could have just waited like the other kids who walk do.

But the cop didn't have to make a big deal about it. He was a bigger douche in this then the day by a bit

[GloucesterChief]

Funny you think "land or the free" means you are free to infringe on everyone else's rights regardless of civil protocol.


No, land of the free means that I can do whatever I want as long as I don't infringe on anybody's rights or do actual harm to their persons or property.

Don't like school policy? By all means don't do it the right way. It's better to slow down the rest of the pickup proceedings that day because you are more important than everyone else and want what you want right now! When an authority figure shows up and says it is time to go, he's the asshole for making you go. :rolleyes:

Well, yes he would be. Am I damaging anybodies property or person? Nope. Am I infringing on anybodies rights? Nope. There is no reason for the police to get involved.

Your argument is that we should do whatever someone in authority tells us. That is a very dangerous argument as history has proven. If everybody took your advice there wouldn't be an America because we would of just accepted whatever the British crown and parliament told us we had to do.

[ciaomichael]

I didn't have a point, I had a question.

Now my point is you're a douchebag.

That's not a point - it's called an ad hominem attack. School kids walking home has absolutely nothing to do with the subject of this thread and your question answered itself. Why it was posted in response to my post, I have no idea.

[Katipan]

That's not a point - it's called an ad hominem attack. School kids walking home has absolutely nothing to do with the subject of this thread and your question answered itself. Why it was posted in response to my post, I have no idea.

This may be a big surprise to you but you have rather extreme measures at your school. Having went to school in huge high schools and having sent my children to tiny schools, and never experiencing ANY of that, I was curious if the kids that had to walk home had to wait or do anything special.

You can be assured there are no hidden secret typed attacks by my hand. I'm straight claw hammer to your face kind of girl.

[crazycoffey]

Ciao mikey. Not wasting my time on an idiot. Go fuck your mom in Frankie's plane, with an AIDS tree dildo.

[ciaomichael]

This may be a big surprise to you but you have rather extreme measures at your school. Having went to school in huge high schools and having sent my children to tiny schools, and never experiencing ANY of that, I was curious if the kids that had to walk home had to wait or do anything special.

You can be assured there are no hidden secret typed attacks by my hand. I'm straight claw hammer to your face kind of girl.

What the hell are you even talking about? Extreme measures? If you go pick up your children from school in your own car, you get in a line with other parents doing the same thing. What's the alternative? If a child walks home from school, they properly exit the school, follow any school cross-walks, and proceed to walk home. Goodness, gracious.

[Katipan]

What the hell are you even talking about? Extreme measures? If you go pick up your children from school in your own car, you get in a line with other parents doing the same thing. What's the alternative? If a child walks home from school, they properly exit the school, follow any school cross-walks, and proceed to walk home. Goodness, gracious.

You indicated chaos of people walking into the building to get their children. So it sounded as if that would be a requirement. Your wifey leaves 45 minutes early. Sounds like quite the cluster fuck.

[Johnny Vegas]

Funny you think "land or the free" means you are free to infringe on everyone else's rights regardless of civil protocol. Don't like school policy? By all means don't do it the right way. It's better to slow down the rest of the pickup proceedings that day because you are more important than everyone else and want what you want right now! When an authority figure shows up and says it is time to go, he's the asshole for making you go. :rolleyes:

just because its policy doesn't make it right. fucking christ. apparently wearing the badge gives you permission to use zero common sense.

[ciaomichael]

You indicated chaos of people walking into the building to get their children. So it sounded as if that would be a requirement. Your wifey leaves 45 minutes early. Sounds like quite the cluster ****.

If every parent that picked up their child just took it upon themselves to walk into a school, when the pupils were exiting school, of course it would be chaos. There's such a thing as simple civil order, and that hardly infringes on anyone's "rights."

My comment about the wifey leaving 45 minutes early had to do with the observation I don't understand such need when there's a school bus that could pick up and drop them off right in front of the house, saving everyone a lot of time, gas, and sleep. But, if she wants to do it, she understands she has to get in line like everyone else.

[Just Passin' By]

Funny you think "land or the free" means you are free to infringe on everyone else's rights regardless of civil protocol. Don't like school policy? By all means don't do it the right way. It's better to slow down the rest of the pickup proceedings that day because you are more important than everyone else and want what you want right now! When an authority figure shows up and says it is time to go, he's the asshole for making you go. :rolleyes:

So you're the only cop in the United States who doesn't throw on the lights just to blow a red light or stop sign? It's too bad Diogenes didn't live long enough to meet you.

[Katipan]

If every parent that picked up their child just took it upon themselves to walk into a school, when the pupils were exiting school, of course it would be chaos. There's such a thing as simple civil order, and that hardly infringes on anyone's "rights."

My comment about the wifey leaving 45 minutes early had to do with the observation I don't understand such need when there's a school bus that could pick up and drop them off right in front of the house, saving everyone a lot of time, gas, and sleep. But, if she wants to do it, she understands she has to get in line like everyone else.

Sigh. I have no personal opinion on the way you and your wife take care of the logistics surrounding your children's education.

I just wanted to know if the options were only pick your kid up or rely on the school bus. I didn't understand why anyone would drive there, cut in line, and then go into the school. As in your extreme what-if.

Now I understand that you have an exaggerated and flourishing style of conversation. Throw in some extremely healthy love of God, a skilled craftsman hands, and we have a new Chris.

[Mr. Laz]

Cop should have shot him, he deserved it for not obeying the law

[ciaomichael]

just because its policy doesn't make it right. ****ing christ. apparently wearing the badge gives you permission to use zero common sense.

The man with the badge didn't make the policy. Sounds like the school/PTO made the policy. It might or might not have been the ideal policy for that particular school. But, there's a proper way to address the issue without breaking a rule. Now, whether the officer over-reacted, I have no idea. Seems like the man should have been warned first, escorted out to his car second, and only then arrested if he kept it up.

[crazycoffey]

So you're the only cop in the United States who doesn't throw on the lights just to blow a red light or stop sign? It's too bad Diogenes didn't live long enough to meet you.

Why would any cop have to throw on the lights to do that?

[ghak99]

I guess I don't understand what the form he signed was giving permission for. Was it a release to give his kids permission to walk home?? I can see the guy was probably pushing buttons and might have done so in the past, but deputy dumbshit wasn't winning any bonus points.

I must say, I do appreciate these types of people who push the lines peacefully though. The dumb fucks of the world would over run the common sense crowd until blood needed to be shed if things weren't tested and kept in check from time to time.

[Just Passin' By]

Why would any cop have to throw on the lights to do that?

Because, shockingly, the police are supposed to obey traffic laws, too.

[MrNightly]

The man with the badge didn't make the policy. Sounds like the school/PTO made the policy. It might or might not have been the ideal policy for that particular school. But, there's a proper way to address the issue without breaking a rule. Now, whether the officer over-reacted, I have no idea. Seems like the man should have been warned first, escorted out to his car second, and only then arrested if he kept it up.

As a previous LEO, the deputy was way out of line, and got riled up when the man called the Sheriff to report it.

I hope the man sues the pants off the school and the Sheriff's office get sued as well. Nobody can tell me when and where to get my kids, once school is over. This case is going to go down hard. Good for the man! Bad for the SO.

[crazycoffey]

Because, shockingly, the police are supposed to obey traffic laws, too.

Not really. That's why they're exempt plates. Seatbelt laws don't apply to postal workers either. Guess you'll say it's not fair. Oh well....

[crazycoffey]

As a previous LEO, the deputy was way out of line, and got riled up when the man called the Sheriff to report it.

I hope the man sues the pants off the school and the Sheriff's office get sued as well. Nobody can tell me when and where to get my kids, once school is over. This case is going to go down hard. Good for the man! Bad for the SO.

"However, some say the video doesn't tell the whole story. Donald Andrews, the director of Cumberland County Schools, told The Huffington Post the clip was edited to portray Howe in a more favorable light.

"In that situation, quite honestly, the officer that handled that showed quite a bit of restraint," he added."


From the article

[ghak99]

Nobody can tell me when and where to get my kids, once school is over.

Once it's over??

My parents came to get me and called in to have them let me leave, or after I left, several times when things were going awry at home.

[CoMoChief]

Your kids are yours, not the state's or the school's.

You have a right to remove your kids from the institution whenever you please.

[stevieray]

"However, some say the video doesn't tell the whole story. Donald Andrews, the director of Cumberland County Schools, told The Huffington Post the clip was edited to portray Howe in a more favorable light.

"In that situation, quite honestly, the officer that handled that showed quite a bit of restraint," he added."


From the article

I call BS...I think it's our whack a mole society run amok in schools....showed restraint? ppppppppppppppppffft.

[Phobia]

That deputy presented as an insecure douche incapable of making a proper judgment call. That's probably why the sheriff had him holed up as a school resource officer. I'm not saying school resource officers suck but if you're a sheriff and you have a goofball like this, where do you assign him? Parent seemed a little douchy too but not nearly enough to be hauled off to the pokey.

[crazycoffey]

That deputy presented as an insecure douche incapable of making a proper judgment call. That's probably why the sheriff had him holed up as a school resource officer. I'm not saying school resource officers suck but if you're a sheriff and you have a goofball like this, where do you assign him? Parent seemed a little douchy too but not nearly enough to be hauled off to the pokey.

Oh, he was probably released on a summons within the hour. Pay the fine a move on. Between a douche dad and douche cop the blame is just going to fall on douche dad. The way it should. I hate douche cop stories, makes us all look bad just like you'd hate douche contractor stories, but we have to maintain authoritive prejudices.

If the cop is really out of line; more parents, school figures and even he sheriff office will side with the parent. We weren't there, and we have an edited video siding with the dad and an article siting a school figure siding with the cop.

FYI SRO's are not where you put the dumb ones, it's too political to do that.

[Phobia]

I'm not even saying the guy was dumb. He just got his ego a little bruised and when douche dad didn't wither up, he was upset. He didn't handle it well. Both of them were idiots but I prefer that cops just diffuse and send folks packing rather than haul in every douche who hurts their feelings.

[crazycoffey]

I'm not even saying the guy was dumb. He just got his ego a little bruised and when douche dad didn't wither up, he was upset. He didn't handle it well. Both of them were idiots but I prefer that cops just diffuse and send folks packing rather than haul in every douche who hurts their feelings.

That's absurd. If you don't agree with a judges rulling in court, don't start screaming for justice, you go file an appeal. If a business says they don't want your money and you have to leave, you have to leave. If a police officer says this isn't the time and place to change school policy and you don't listen, don't cry about getting charged with peace disturbance.

The only bruised ego is dad's

[Phobia]

That's absurd. If you don't agree with a judges rulling in court, don't start screaming for justice, you go file an appeal. If a business says they don't want your money and you have to leave, you have to leave. If a police officer says this isn't the time and place to change school policy and you don't listen, don't cry about getting charged with peace disturbance.

The only bruised ego is dad's

They were both bruised. I'm probably one of the few who will agree that a disturbance can be created without yelling and screaming but if that cop isn't there, the dad fills out his paperwork and leaves. While I think they're both douches, there''s no way on earth dad deserved to get cuffed and hauled off. A better cop would have easily diffused this particular situation without resorting to an arrest. An arrest should be the very last resort in this particular situation. Now if he had shown any inclination at all towards aggressiveness, then I have zero problem with the cuffs. But deputy went from zero to producing cuffs in nothing flat. I like cops. I even like mediocre cops for the most part. But this guy is a horrible excuse for a cop. He should be guarding the county's impound lot.

[crazycoffey]

They were both bruised. I'm probably one of the few who will agree that a disturbance can be created without yelling and screaming but if that cop isn't there, the dad fills out his paperwork and leaves. While I think they're both douches, there''s no way on earth dad deserved to get cuffed and hauled off. A better cop would have easily diffused this particular situation without resorting to an arrest. An arrest should be the very last resort in this particular situation. Now if he had shown any inclination at all towards aggressiveness, then I have zero problem with the cuffs. But deputy went from zero to producing cuffs in nothing flat. I like cops. I even like mediocre cops for the most part. But this guy is a horrible excuse for a cop. He should be guarding the county's impound lot.

You base this on an edited video? When a school official stated, on record, the cop did actually show restraint (we don't see in this video)? I'm going to reserve judgement. But that's me.

I wasn't there, and I admit; I'm completely putting more faith in the statements from the school official than the cop or the dad here.

[crazycoffey]

You base this on an edited video? When a school official stated, on record, the cop did actually show restraint (we don't see in this video)? I'm going to reserve judgement. But that's me.

I wasn't there, and I admit; I'm completely putting more faith in the statements from the school official than the cop or the dad here.

It wasn't the cop or school official that posted an edited video......

[Phobia]

School officials CYA too. I wouldn't believe half of what a school administrator says regarding a legal matter. Most of them aren't allowed to comment in the first place. We had a kid get stuck in a piece of playground equipment recently around here. School principal wouldn't give me any statement at all. My only questions were regarding duration and whether the child was transported once freed. They referred me to districts media contact.

Don't care about edits. None of the crap seems edited when the cop made the judgment to haul him off and there's nothing there that seems arrest-worthy to me. But I'm not a cop and I don't really know everything about disturbance arrests. I also generally show cops enough respect to keep my ass out of jail. Like I said, either asshole could have prevented what happened but I don't see a good reason for hauling him off here. Based on the deputy's snippy behavior, it just seemed like he was one of those insecure coppers we've all seen. Surely you can acknowledge that he seemed incredibly insecure and unnecessarily confrontational.

[Deberg_1990]

Also, sounds like Dad had a little "history" With the school that might have escalated his blood pressure. At the end of the vid, it's mentioned they held his special needs child onetime after school for 90 minutes.

[Ace Gunner]

It wasn't the cop or school official that posted an edited video......

ya but do you think you would take a parent away from his kids over this? you don't seem like that kind.

[Earthling]

My daughters elementary school had a parking lot where we parents would park and wait for the kids to get out and come to the parked cars. When I picked up my daughter I would stand outside near her classroom and escort her to my car. No muss no fuss. There was/is policies that public schools have that I found frustrating or disagreed with but there is always the option to home-school if that is the case, which my wife and I eventually did. (I also realize that home-schooling would be extremely difficult for some because of work situations and such)

[Chiefaholic]

You HAVE to drive to pick your kids up from school??
The cop isn't the only douchebag.

The kid was a special needs child, so yes he probably needed to. Forcing him/her to walk near a high traffic area to the parents car without the assistance of an adult is BS.

[Katipan]

The kid was a special needs child, so yes he probably needed to. Forcing him/her to walk near a high traffic area to the parents car without the assistance of an adult is BS.

It wasn't meant that way.

It was meant in a "the school forces you to drive to pick your kids up?" way.

[whoman69]

Always have to wonder about these videos when they're edited to make only one side look good.

[ghak99]

The kid was a special needs child, so yes he probably needed to. Forcing him/her to walk near a high traffic area to the parents car without the assistance of an adult is BS.

I hadn't considered that this was the special needs child.

If that's the case, I give many props to meat head for keeping his cool. I'm afraid I would have earned the trip to jail in a more spectacular fashion.