Jamaal Charles is best K.C. back ever?

[Stinger]

Adam Teicher seem to think so....

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- This is probably overdue but I got to thinking about it after Jamaal Charles went over 1,000 rushing yards for the season in last week's loss to the Denver Broncos. That's four straight seasons for Charles with over 1,000 yards and though that's certainly not the only criteria, it's time to call Charles the best runner to ever play for the Kansas City Chiefs.

Charles is third all time on the Chiefs' rushing yardage list. He is roughly 500 yards from catching Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson, the two backs ahead of him. With a big finish, Charles could conceivably catch both players this season. If not, he will pass them in 2014.

Charles is well shy of both players in rushing touchdowns, but Holmes and Johnson at times played for Chiefs teams that were offensive machines. Charles' teams in Kansas City haven't been built that way and it's unfair to penalize him for that. Charles isn't the pass receiver that Holmes was. There was no sight for Chiefs fans like Holmes running with a screen pass behind the great blockers he played with (unless it was Holmes running the sweep behind the great blockers he played with). But strictly as a runner, I'll take Charles.

Two factors go into that decision. First is longetivity. Johnson essentially had two great seasons for the Chiefs, Holmes three. Charles is now at four and we're still counting.

The other is Charles' career per-carry rushing average. Charles has picked up slightly more than 5.5 yards every time he's rushed the ball for the Chiefs in his career and that's frequently against opposing defenses that were often lying in wait for him because the Chiefs gave them little else to worry about.

Holmes rushed for 4.59 yards per carry, Johnson 4.37. That's a significant dfference in Charles' favor.

Holmes and Johnson deserve to be part of the discussion. But with apologies to those guys and some other great Chiefs backs like Marcus Allen, Christian Okoye and Ed Podolak it's time (and probably past time) to hail the new king.

http://espn.go.com/blog/kansas-city-chiefs/post/_/id/2679/charles-is-best-kc-back-ever

[Hammock Parties]

Charles is going to be the all time leading rusher behind some pretty average lines playing with poor QBs and no deep threat.

He's the GOAT as far as I'm concerned.

[ModSocks]

GOAT

[Chief Roundup]

Not yet he is not. He is working on it though. There will be others that will be more favored for obvious reasons.

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

Until he denounces ObamaCare no one here will care

[Dayze]

Yep.

[TimBone]

Yes. Put him behind the Offensive lines Priest had, and the dude would have HOF numbers.

[DaWolf]

Good thing Pioli couldn't find a trade partner...

[bowener]

I'm going to be a true fan here for a second and hope the Chiefs go out and buy/draft the best OL we can possibly afford, just so I can see Charles run behind a great line. Alex Mack is a free agent...

As a sane man, I want them to will needs such as safety, wr, and a third pass rusher. But damn, it would be nice to see Charles behind something other than average.

[Ace Gunner]

Yep.

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[ModSocks]

Not yet he is not. He is working on it though. There will be others that will be more favored for obvious reasons.

Like who?

Priest is put on a pedestal. He was a good back with a great line. He was nowhere close to the homerun hitter JC is.

Okoye had a real short career.

LJ...pfff....c'mon now....

Marcus Allen never came close to producing like JC.

Say it with me now: Jamaal Charles. Greatest of All Time.

[ILChief]

Keep doubting Larry Johnson

[Direckshun]

I'd say it's a wash with Holmes and Charles.

[In58men]

GOAT

[ModSocks]

GOAT

GOAT

[gblowfish]

As far as a pure Chiefs back, he's right up there. Marcus Allen was probably the best all purpose back we ever had (short yardage, pass catching, blitz pickup, dangerous breakaway ability) but of course his real prime was as a Raider. Joe Delaney was a great back, but his career was cut tragically short. Priest Holmes was a very good all purpose back too. If you want to go old school, Abner Haynes may have been the best athlete. Dawson speaks glowingly of his ability, and he is on the Chiefs ring of honor.

Okoye ran with great power but didn't block too well, and didn't catch well at all. Larry Johnson has serious character issues, and also didn't pass protect well. Podolak was a good all purpose back, but not as fast as Holmes or Charles.

One thing about Charles is his toughness. That guy is tough as nails, and I admire that a lot from a running back.

[Dartgod]

I'd say it's a wash with Holmes and Charles.

Bah!

Put Charles behind the line that Priest had and he'd be averaging much more than 5.5 ypc.

[Rain Man]

Here's a list of every 1,000-yard rushing season on the Chiefs. Jamaal's #16 spot will obviously move up and will likely end up around #9.

We should have total yards from scrimmage, but I don't have time to add that at the moment.

We see that Johnson and Holmes' best seasons were more productive in yards rushing. However, that's just because they got the ball more. Despite the fact that Johnson and Holmes typically had great ypc's in their best season, Jamaal's ypc is eye-popping astounding.

So Johnson and Holmes were greater workhorses at their peak, whereas Jamaal has two seemingly opposite arguments of having a better ypc and more peak seasons.

Rank-Name-Season-Age-Team-Pos-Games-Starts-Att-Yds-TDs-Long-YPC-Yards/Game-Fumbles

1 Larry Johnson 2006*+ 27 KAN RB 16 16 416 1789 17 47 4.3 111.8 2
2 Larry Johnson 2005* 26 KAN RB 16 9 336 1750 20 49 5.2 109.4 5
3 Priest Holmes 2002*+ 29 KAN RB 14 14 313 1615 21 56 5.2 115.4 1
4 Priest Holmes 2001*+ 28 KAN RB 16 16 327 1555 8 41 4.8 97.2 4
5 Jamaal Charles 2012* 26 KAN RB 16 15 285 1509 5 91 5.3 94.3 5
6 Christian Okoye 1989*+ 28 KAN FB 15 14 370 1480 12 59 4.0 98.7 8
7 Jamaal Charles 2010*+ 24 KAN rb 16 6 230 1467 5 80 6.4 91.7 3
8 Priest Holmes 2003*+ 30 KAN RB 16 16 320 1420 27 31 4.4 88.8 1
9 Joe Delaney 1981* 23 KAN RB 15 10 234 1121 3 82 4.8 74.7 9
10 Jamaal Charles 2009 23 KAN KR/RB 15 10 190 1120 7 76 5.9 74.7 4
11 Mike Garrett 1967*+ 23 KAN HB 14 0 236 1087 9 58 4.6 77.6 6
12 Tony Reed 1978 23 KAN LH 16 16 206 1053 5 62 5.1 65.8 6
13 Abner Haynes 1962*+ 25 DTX HB/PR 14 0 221 1049 13 71 4.7 74.9 4
14 Christian Okoye 1991* 30 KAN FB 14 12 225 1031 9 48 4.6 73.6 5
15 Barry Word 1990 27 KAN RB 16 3 204 1015 4 53 5.0 63.4 4
16 Jamaal Charles 2013 27 KAN RB 12 12 219 1011 9 46 4.6 84.3

[Kiimo]

I'd take Priest Holmes in his prime over Charles in his prime all day.


But I'd take Marcus Allen in his prime most of all.

[ROYC75]

Bah!

Put Charles behind the line that Priest had and he'd be averaging much more than 5.5 ypc.

No doubt about it.... PH was good, but he had a size able advantage with the blocking OL.

[Red Dawg]

The GOAT no doubt. JC is a bad ass and could make a case for the HOF someday.

[Bump]

GOAT without question. He also is the NFL's ALL TIME leader in ypc. ALL TIME

[Fat Elvis]

Bah!

Put Charles behind the line that Priest had and he'd be averaging much more than 55 ypc.

FYP

[Buehler445]

Yes. Put him behind the Offensive lines Priest had, and the dude would have HOF numbers.

I told my buddy the same thing last week. Can you imagine the damage he could do with Holmes line? Fuck, he lights folks up with a little crease. Plus he runs tough. I thought we'd ALWAYS need a big bruiser for tough runs but we've ran a bunch of them through and Charles is better at what they do best. Kid is incredible.

If I'm picking one or the other as a rookie Charles by 13 miles.

[KCrockaholic]

I've been saying this for about the past 18 months. It's not even close honestly. You put Charles with the 03' offensive line, and that QB, and my god every record could be broken.

Priest was a better goalline back though. And maybe had better hands.

[WhiteWhale]

Yes, he is.

[Easy 6]

As a lightning bolt, keeping defensive coordinators awake at night, score from anywhere on the field kinda guy... its gotta be Charles, hands down.

Some guys are great, some guys are scary... JC is the latter.

[WhiteWhale]

Yes. Put him behind the Offensive lines Priest had, and the dude would have HOF numbers.

He already has the best YPC of any back with a comparable work load in NFL (not KC) history.

He's already putting up HOF numbers. He just has to stay healthy and last long enough.

In terms of pure talent he's the best KC back ever and I don't think 2nd place is close.

[hometeam]

I knew JC was ballin back when I used to switch out LJ for him in Madden.

CHIEFS GOAT.

He still needs a lesson in going over the top from Priest.

[warrior]

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[Dartgod]

This

That

[Valiant]

For us. Greatest rb if he finishes his career healthy.

As others have said. Him with a hof line would have been sickening. He has done what he has done so far with an average at best oline and below average qbs.

He blocks well. He is not bad catching the ball they do not do it often though. That might be because teams do not respect our deep game.

If he were on the majority of the nfl teams he would be headline news nightly.

Now here is hoping for 5+ years of him keeping this up so the US will notice.


Fyi. Jmo. But allen was not all that exciting for us in between the 20s. Sad that ghill did not have a heart because he could of heen great. Allen just stole tds from others, granted he made them. But I would figure most other backs could get a td from 1st and goal at the 2.

Holmes is 2nd. Great all around back.

Fuck lj. And his fans.

Didnt see the older guys outside of okaye and word.

[DJJasonp]

No bam Morris??? :)

It's close for me. I really, really like priest. The home run threat and top end speed is greater with JC....but Holmes was a stud....and on his way to breaking all kinds of records before he was injured and missed the last two games of the season.

Priest broke more tackles....had a way of finding holes and seams on nearly every play. And had a nose for the end zone.

Yes....I realize his line was HOF worthy.

In a 3 year span....Holmes had 19 100 yd rush days.

In a 3 year span (taking out 2011 and through 12 games this year)....JC has had 13 100 yd games.

If JC were to stop playing after this year or next.....you'd have very similar stats/arguments (except the o line obviously).

Reid's offense probably hurts JCs rushing stats....but helps the all purpose yds.

Too close for me to call ......yet.

[Lightrise]

I think he is and I thought that two years ago. He's an amazing runner and I think he's on his way to the Hall of Fame. So unique, incredible balance, vision and sheer will. I've been a fan since the old Municipal Stadium days. He's on my top 10 favorite players ever. Others on the list so much fun to watch Buck Buchanan, Otis Taylor, Nolan Smith, Dante Hall, Derrick Thomas, Neil Smith, Priest Holmes, Tony Gonzalez, and Bobby Bell. That puts Charles in very elite company for me.

[Easy 6]

No bam Morris??? :)

It's close for me. I really, really like priest. The home run threat and top end speed is greater with JC....but Holmes was a stud....and on his way to breaking all kinds of records before he was injured and missed the last two games of the season.

Priest broke more tackles....had a way of finding holes and seams on nearly every play. And had a nose for the end zone.

Yes....I realize his line was HOF worthy.

In a 3 year span....Holmes had 19 100 yd rush days.

In a 3 year span (taking out 2011 and through 12 games this year)....JC has had 13 100 yd games.

If JC were to stop playing after this year or next.....you'd have very similar stats/arguments (except the o line obviously).

Reid's offense probably hurts JCs rushing stats....but helps the all purpose yds.

Too close for me to call ......yet.

Dont forget that JC never saw the field his rookie year and possibly his second year, if my memory serves.

Its no knock to Priest, he's a KC HOFer... but JC has a shot at the big hall.

[DJJasonp]

Dont forget that JC never saw the field his rookie year and possibly his second year, if my memory serves.

Its no knock to Priest, he's a KC HOFer... but JC has a shot at the big hall.

Agreed....we just need another 3-4 years of 1,000 yds plus.

The HOF is all about totals....not averages (why DT had to wait, instead of first-year.....IMO)

[Top]

Yes.

[Mama Hip Rockets]

Yes. Put him behind the Offensive lines Priest had, and the dude would have HOF numbers.

Yep. Priest was great, but his offensive lines were exponentially better than the ones Charles has had, and Charles has done more with it in terms of yards per carry. Charles is the best back this team has ever had.

[Mama Hip Rockets]

I'd take Priest Holmes in his prime over Charles in his prime all day.


But I'd take Marcus Allen in his prime most of all.

Outrageous. Allen only had three 1000-yard rushing seasons in his whole career, and his career YPC is a yard and a half lower than Charles'.

Charles > Holmes > Allen

[cosmo20002]

Like who?

Priest is put on a pedestal. He was a good back with a great line. He was nowhere close to the homerun hitter JC is.

Okoye had a real short career.

LJ...pfff....c'mon now....

Marcus Allen never came close to producing like JC.

Say it with me now: Jamaal Charles. Greatest of All Time.

Ted McKnight

[lawrenceRaider]

Yep. Priest was great, but his offensive lines were exponentially better than the ones Charles has had, and Charles has done more with it in terms of yards per carry. Charles is the best back this team has ever had.

The OL that Holmes ran behind would have allowed me to run for over 1,000 yards. That Chiefs OL is in the discussion for best OL's of all time. Charles could break the rushing record behind that OL.

Charles is the best RB in Chiefs history. End of story.

[trndobrd]

In their prime Allen>Charles>Holmes.

However, Allen was wearing silver and black during his prime. After riding the bench for four seasons courtesy of Al Davis, Allen was an above average running back, but not top tier, when he came to KC.

Charles>Holmes>Allen>Okoye (based on fun-to-watch factor>

[KCrockaholic]

Larry Johnson shouldn't even be discussed as a Chief IMO. The hate is that strong.

[ThaVirus]

All of you that think Jamaal is better than Priest are idiots and not old enough to remember /Dane

[Omaha]

I think the only legit knock you can make against Charles when comparing him to Holmes is that Charles fumbles more.

[Pablo]

Charles is the most talented RB we've ever had in KC. He'll go down as the GOAT before he's done here. Don't know that I'd crown him just yet, but it definitely a worthy debate.

[BlackHelicopters]

Barry Word has at least got to be in the conversation.

[Omaha]

The OL that Holmes ran behind would have allowed me to run for over 1,000 yards. That Chiefs OL is in the discussion for best OL's of all time. Charles could break the rushing record behind that OL.

Charles is the best RB in Chiefs history. End of story.

If that were the case, Derrick Blaylock would have been better than he was. It was a great OL, but you're discounting what Holmes did way too much.

[saphojunkie]

Bah!

Put Charles behind the line that Priest had and he'd be averaging much more than 5.5 ypc.

This is why the greatest Chiefs running back of all time is....



























Tony Richardson.

[saphojunkie]

Barry Word has at least got to be in the conversation.

He can serve drinks while we converse about Priest and Jamaal.

[keg in kc]

He's not even 27 yet. 4 more years of this and he's not only the greatest KC running back of all time, he's a hall of famer.

[KCrockaholic]

If that were the case, Derrick Blaylock would have been better than he was. It was a great OL, but you're discounting what Holmes did way too much.

I remember Blaylock being pretty decent for a guy who could barely make a roster on any other team.

[KCrockaholic]

He's not even 26 yet. 4 more years of this and he's not only the greatest KC running back of all time, he's a hall of famer.

He's almost 27 dude...

[keg in kc]

He's almost 27 dude...Typo.

Either way.

[trndobrd]

He's not even 26 yet. 4 more years of this and he's not only the greatest KC running back of all time, he's a hall of famer.

Dude is already getting blisters on his feet from so much running. After another off season with the same coaching staff and players his numbers are going to be ridiculous.

[KCrockaholic]

Typo.

Either way.

I knew you were off, but I got pretty excited at the thought of him being 25, so I had to check his B-day.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

I think Donnell Bennett should be in this discussion.

[KCrockaholic]

On the other hand... What are the chances we have a legit #2 RB next year in Knile Davis? Take some carries off Jamaal.

[KCrockaholic]

Mike Cloud have a chance?

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

On the other hand... What are the chances we have a legit #2 RB next year in Knile Davis? Take some carries off Jamaal.

I think he's gonna be good , and Cyrus Gray if thrown into the #1 spot is also interesting.

[Omaha]

I remember Blaylock being pretty decent for a guy who could barely make a roster on any other team.

He was really fast, but he sucked at following blocks and he seemed to run with his eyes closed.

[Pablo]

He's not even 27 yet. 4 more years of this and he's not only the greatest KC running back of all time, he's a hall of famer.This is true.

Jamaal is the only Chiefs player I can see in the HOF.

I can't wait to hear his speech:

"Umm, uhhh ya know I jus wanna thank NFL for the escalades"

[TEX]

This is true.

Jamaal is the only Chiefs player I can see in the HOF.

I can't wait to hear his speech:

"Umm, uhhh ya know I jus wanna thank NFL for the escalades"

:clap: ROFL
I was driving back to Houston from KC after the Texans game and heard the "escalades" comment on KCFX. Spit my coffee out all over the dash.

[CallMeSquidwad]

GOAT

[Halfcan]

JC is haveing one of his best all-around years-catching,blocking and running.

[Mav]

I thought at first, mind you, I have almost zero historical knowledge of the Chiefs, but just modern day Chiefs.

Marcus Allen, Okoye, Priest Holmes, Larry Johnson, and Jamaal.

Marcus had the better overall career, but a lot of that came with the Raiders, Priest Holmes probably has the most compelling case. I think he was as complete of a back as there was in the league, but his flame flickered quickly.

Jamaal is quite the beast though.

[ThaVirus]

When did the "escalades" comment take place? I missed that entirely.

[Lightrise]

Anybody remember Harvey Williams? I never saw any back in the history of the NFL who stumbled over his own feet more than Williams.

In a way, Greg Hill was supposed to be what Charles actually is.

[Tombstone RJ]

Charles gets my vote for GOAT kc RB. If Priest Holmes had spent his entire career in kc then maybe he would be the one as he was pretty fantastic for the short time he played in kc. I don't like Larry Johnson, I think he was a tool.

[KCrockaholic]

When did the "escalades" comment take place? I missed that entirely.

Just put it in your backbone and move on.

[Red Dawg]

I think Donnell Bennett should be in this discussion.

OMG! Do not let that name into our thoughts.

[milkman]

I've seen a lot of RBs in KC through the years.

Mike Garret, Podolak, Tony Adams, Willie Green, Joe Delaney, Allen, etc.

Not a single one of them had the vision and burst that Priest possesse, until Charlesn
And Charles is so much faster.

If Charles were running behind a line that Priest ran behind, he would not onlyy be in the discussion as the greatest Chief, he'd be in the discussion as the greatest the NFL has ever seen.

Putting up the kind of numbers he has behind a piss poor line, with no real support from a complementary passing game on top of that, is nothing short of amazing.

[Pablo]

When did the "escalades" comment take place? I missed that entirely.See post 63.

[MGRS13]

Priest. Sorry. Until J.C. gets the nose for the endzone Holmes had.

[Deberg_1990]

JC is haveing one of his best all-around years-catching,blocking and running.

Oh.. I Don't know...I think his 2010 season was better. He's hasn't had any long breakaway runs this season for whatever reason?

I know he was a horrible human being, but for my money LJs 2005 season was the most electrifying season by a Chiefs RB ever.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Okoye/TecmoSuperBowl

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

The only RB in recent history that compares to Jamaal is Priest. But Priest had probably one of the best OLs in NFL history. We just need a comparable OL so Jamaal can put up the insane numbers.

Also, GOAT

[milkman]

Priest. Sorry. Until J.C. gets the nose for the endzone Holmes had.

Priest's for the end zone was constructed by an outstanding O-Line. And one of the best lead blockers in the game.

[Hammock Parties]

Priest scored a lot of TDs because he played on a top 5 offense. In fact the year he scored 27 or whatever we had the #2 passing offense. Priest was good, but he got to take full advantage of the fact we had so many red zone possessions.

Charles would have scored just as many with that many opportunities.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

De berg you sleep through 2003?

[BossChief]

I've seen a lot of RBs in KC through the years.

Mike Garret, Podolak, Tony Adams, Willie Green, Joe Delaney, Allen, etc.

Not a single one of them had the vision and burst that Priest possesse, until Charlesn
And Charles is so much faster.

If Charles were running behind a line that Priest ran behind, he would not onlyy be in the discussion as the greatest Chief, he'd be in the discussion as the greatest the NFL has ever seen.

Putting up the kind of numbers he has behind a piss poor line, with no real support from a complementary passing game on top of that, is nothing short of amazing.

:clap:

[threebag]

Greatest Of All Time. Bitches

[MGRS13]

Priest's for the end zone was constructed by an outstanding O-Line. And one of the best lead blockers in the game.

Maybe so. Sorry Im biased. I was there for most of those TD's he scored at home. The guy is always going to be my fave.

[Pants]

All of you that think Jamaal is better than Priest are idiots and not old enough to remember /Dane

LMAO

I remember that thread.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Absolutely. Charles by a landslide. Much more explosive than Priest.

[T-post Tom]

He's no Jesse Haynes.

[lawrenceRaider]

If that were the case, Derrick Blaylock would have been better than he was. It was a great OL, but you're discounting what Holmes did way too much.

I recall Blaylock having some good games, and then doing nothing when he left in FA.

[lawrenceRaider]

Oh.. I Don't know...I think his 2010 season was better. He's hasn't had any long breakaway runs this season for whatever reason?

I know he was a horrible human being, but for my money LJs 2005 season was the most electrifying season by a Chiefs RB ever.

Frankly Charles didn't look quite 100% for several games, but he seems to be back to form now. Saw at least two runs a couple weeks ago that Charles would normally take for LONG yardage that he kind of galloped into 20 yard runs. Last Sunday, he looked fast again, though I should say a "slow" Charles is still faster than most other RBs.

[cosmo20002]

Ted McKnight

[WakkaWakka]

I rarely buy jerseys, but I fully intend on buying a Charles jersey in the next couple weeks from Rally House here in town. I'm always afraid that if I buy a jersey, said player will get hurt or traded. I think Charles is safe. Guy is gonna be a Hall of Famer! GOAT!

[Hammock Parties]

I'm always afraid that if I buy a jersey, said player will get hurt or traded.

I'm afraid I might turn into a weasel, sprout eagle wings and get sucked into a jet engine, causing an accident that kills thousands.

[Deberg_1990]

Greg Hill, Harvey Williams, Ethan Horton and Paul Palmer get any votes here?

[Sorter]

I'm afraid I might turn into a weasel, sprout eagle wings and get sucked into a jet engine, causing an accident that kills thousands.

Eagle wings?


Those would just look ridiculous on your tiny weasel (not ferret) body.

[AussieChiefsFan]

In my mind he definitely is. His lines and QBs have never been very good. Not to take anything away from Priest, he was a great back, but if Charles had that o-line, he would have at least one 2000 yard season already.

[Prison Bitch]

I used to hold onto the Priest Holmes thing too, but after the Eagles game this year I gave in. Jamaal is our best RB ever.

[cosmo20002]

I rarely buy jerseys, but I fully intend on buying a Charles jersey in the next couple weeks from Rally House here in town. I'm always afraid that if I buy a jersey, said player will get hurt or traded. I think Charles is safe. Guy is gonna be a Hall of Famer! GOAT!

Why?

[Psyko Tek]

Keep doubting Larry Johnson

can we bring him in for a look?

I got no problem calling JC GOAT

JUST FUCKING CATCH THE BALL

[Rasputin]

I'd take Priest Holmes in his prime over Charles in his prime all day.


But I'd take Marcus Allen in his prime most of all.



I'd take Marcus Allen blocking for Jamaal Charles. He was a hell of a good blocker and then give him the ball on the goal line or short yardage.

[cdcox]

Priest's for the end zone was constructed by an outstanding O-Line. And one of the best lead blockers in the game.

Don't forget Jason Dunn. It almost wasn't fair once we were first and goal. Charles would be every bit as effective.

[cdcox]

I don't think we can make a complete judgement without seeing Charles eating some nachos.

[Straight, No Chaser]

I think I like Teicher better when he took less risk writing for the Star

[BlackHelicopters]

Charles is the best back in franchise history. The sad fact is we are in an era of quarterbacks, and we don't have the greatest in franchise history.

[WhiteWhale]

In their prime Allen>Charles>Holmes.

However, Allen was wearing silver and black during his prime. After riding the bench for four seasons courtesy of Al Davis, Allen was an above average running back, but not top tier, when he came to KC.

Charles>Holmes>Allen>Okoye (based on fun-to-watch factor>

Allen was a better goal line back.

Charles is better at everything else.

[Halfcan]

I've seen a lot of RBs in KC through the years.

Mike Garret, Podolak, Tony Adams, Willie Green, Joe Delaney, Allen, etc.

Not a single one of them had the vision and burst that Priest possesse, until Charlesn
And Charles is so much faster.

If Charles were running behind a line that Priest ran behind, he would not onlyy be in the discussion as the greatest Chief, he'd be in the discussion as the greatest the NFL has ever seen.

Putting up the kind of numbers he has behind a piss poor line, with no real support from a complementary passing game on top of that, is nothing short of amazing.

:clap:

[Down4Chiefs]

I gotta say so,Priest was my favorite just because of nostalgia. But if JC had that line imagine the monster numbers he would put up. The guy goes through some of the smallest creases ive ever seen and I have no idea how he gets through. Runs so hard with so much heart for a guy his size. All you ever worry about is him coughing up the ball,at least I do.

But think about all the handicaps hes had. No qb,not many receiving threats. And now probably his biggest handicap of all is having Andy Reid as his coach lol. If I wasn't a Chiefs fan I would wish he was on another team just as a fan of football. Id love to see him get 20 carries at least EVERY game. He could be greatest rb of all time based on his skills and massive output with so very little. I hate his names not as big as it should be,glad hes not a fame whore. We may have lost him to a bigger market by now

[ModSocks]

JC = GOAT.

Anyone who says otherwise is just getting all nostalgic on us.

[Dayze]

nothing sweeter than watching Priest's patience on a sweep play then busting it inside for mega yardage.

[htismaqe]

Charles' YPC mark is not just GOAT for the Chiefs, it's GOAT PERIOD.

Pretty easy discussion, IMO.

[Dayze]

Charles' YPC mark is not just GOAT for the Chiefs, it's GOAT PERIOD.

Pretty easy discussion, IMO.

He's no Terrell Davis.

[Rain Man]

I see a lot of talk about offensive lines, but I have a question for people.

Priest was great and he had a great offensive line. But in part I view that as a perfect marriage. Priest was great at patiently awaiting blocks and working with blockers. He wasn't a speed merchant, but he was great at maneuvering in traffic. That worked great with his line, because they were going to win all of their battles and they were good at maneuvering in space.

If we look at Larry Johnson, he was a different kind of runner. He had speed if he got in the open field, but he didn't necessarily work with his blockers. He just blasted. His ideal offensive line was big guys who could get a push, more so than guys working in space. That's why, for example, Tony Richardson wasn't a good fit as his fullback. Priest would wait for Tony to clear the zone, whereas Larry wouldn't (and didn't need to so much).

Jamaal is good at working with blockers, but I think his real strength is identifying a hole, getting to it quickly, and then accelerating to Mach 1. In a weird way, he's actually closer to Larry Johnson's style than to Priest's, though he's a bit of a hybrid of the two. I'm not so sure that our amazing 2003ish offensive line would have boosted Jamaal that much, because I don't see him picking around behind the line waiting for them to take out their man.

I think he would have gotten a bigger boost than Larry did, though, and I'm not saying there wouldn't be a boost. Jamaal running that left sweep behind Roaf would have been a work of art. I just think that that line isn't necessarily what suits him best, whereas they were a perfect fit for Priest's running style.

[ThaVirus]

:clap: ROFL
I was driving back to Houston from KC after the Texans game and heard the "escalades" comment on KCFX. Spit my coffee out all over the dash.

Does anyone have a sound byte of that? I'd love to hear it.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

I see a lot of talk about offensive lines, but I have a question for people.

Priest was great and he had a great offensive line. But in part I view that as a perfect marriage. Priest was great at patiently awaiting blocks and working with blockers. He wasn't a speed merchant, but he was great at maneuvering in traffic. That worked great with his line, because they were going to win all of their battles and they were good at maneuvering in space.

If we look at Larry Johnson, he was a different kind of runner. He had speed if he got in the open field, but he didn't necessarily work with his blockers. He just blasted. His ideal offensive line was big guys who could get a push, more so than guys working in space. That's why, for example, Tony Richardson wasn't a good fit as his fullback. Priest would wait for Tony to clear the zone, whereas Larry wouldn't (and didn't need to so much).

Jamaal is good at working with blockers, but I think his real strength is identifying a hole, getting to it quickly, and then accelerating to Mach 1. In a weird way, he's actually closer to Larry Johnson's style than to Priest's, though he's a bit of a hybrid of the two. I'm not so sure that our amazing 2003ish offensive line would have boosted Jamaal that much, because I don't see him picking around behind the line waiting for them to take out their man.

I think he would have gotten a bigger boost than Larry did, though, and I'm not saying there wouldn't be a boost. Jamaal running that left sweep behind Roaf would have been a work of art. I just think that that line isn't necessarily what suits him best, whereas they were a perfect fit for Priest's running style.

Willie Roaf made that WHOLE line work. The day he retired our line went to shit, our Offense went to shit and Trent Green got a concussion running for his life. If he was blocking for Jamaal, we'd be looking at history being made.

[WhiteWhale]

nothing sweeter than watching Priest's patience on a sweep play then busting it inside for mega yardage.

Is that what you thought was sweet?

I loved watching it, but it was because it was consistently the most flawlessly blocked sweep I've ever seen. Two guys, (plus T-rich) would spill out and get a hat on everyone. Priest usually had 2-3 lanes to pick. ALL of our guys could block in space. They could pull any of the 5 down linemen and they could all do it.

That OL was just ridiculous.

[loochy]

RASHAAN SHEEHEE

[Pasta Little Brioni]

We were told here that he was just another Tatum Bell ROFL

[hometeam]

Well well well.


Anyone still doubting?

[tredadda]

Well well well.


Anyone still doubting?

I like how he is being utilized for sure, but is he better than Priest? Not sure on that, but he is at least top 2.

[dmahurin]

At this point I would say they are 1a and 1b and you could put either one at 1a and have a solid argument for why. Charles definitely has the ability and still has at least a few more years to solidify himself as the top guy without the letter attachment.

[Prison Bitch]

I like how he is being utilized for sure, but is he better than Priest? Not sure on that, but he is at least top 2.

Awful.

[MeatRock]

Charles is the best back KC has had ever. Yes even better than Holmes.

[Ace Gunner]

I see a lot of talk about offensive lines, but I have a question for people.

Priest was great and he had a great offensive line. But in part I view that as a perfect marriage. Priest was great at patiently awaiting blocks and working with blockers. He wasn't a speed merchant, but he was great at maneuvering in traffic. That worked great with his line, because they were going to win all of their battles and they were good at maneuvering in space.

If we look at Larry Johnson, he was a different kind of runner. He had speed if he got in the open field, but he didn't necessarily work with his blockers. He just blasted. His ideal offensive line was big guys who could get a push, more so than guys working in space. That's why, for example, Tony Richardson wasn't a good fit as his fullback. Priest would wait for Tony to clear the zone, whereas Larry wouldn't (and didn't need to so much).

Jamaal is good at working with blockers, but I think his real strength is identifying a hole, getting to it quickly, and then accelerating to Mach 1. In a weird way, he's actually closer to Larry Johnson's style than to Priest's, though he's a bit of a hybrid of the two. I'm not so sure that our amazing 2003ish offensive line would have boosted Jamaal that much, because I don't see him picking around behind the line waiting for them to take out their man.

I think he would have gotten a bigger boost than Larry did, though, and I'm not saying there wouldn't be a boost. Jamaal running that left sweep behind Roaf would have been a work of art. I just think that that line isn't necessarily what suits him best, whereas they were a perfect fit for Priest's running style.

Priest doesn't have better vision beyond his blocks than Jamaal does, imo.

that is what makes smaller RB's like these players good, is the ability to know where defensive players are going to be beyond those OL blocks.

the diff we would see if Jamaal were the guy back then, is Jamaal would simply have more long TD's than Priest because he's just as tough a runner, but has the top gears to pull ahead and reel off those long runs.

[Raiderhater]

I see a lot of talk about offensive lines, but I have a question for people.

Priest was great and he had a great offensive line. But in part I view that as a perfect marriage. Priest was great at patiently awaiting blocks and working with blockers. He wasn't a speed merchant, but he was great at maneuvering in traffic. That worked great with his line, because they were going to win all of their battles and they were good at maneuvering in space.

If we look at Larry Johnson, he was a different kind of runner. He had speed if he got in the open field, but he didn't necessarily work with his blockers. He just blasted. His ideal offensive line was big guys who could get a push, more so than guys working in space. That's why, for example, Tony Richardson wasn't a good fit as his fullback. Priest would wait for Tony to clear the zone, whereas Larry wouldn't (and didn't need to so much).

Jamaal is good at working with blockers, but I think his real strength is identifying a hole, getting to it quickly, and then accelerating to Mach 1. In a weird way, he's actually closer to Larry Johnson's style than to Priest's, though he's a bit of a hybrid of the two. I'm not so sure that our amazing 2003ish offensive line would have boosted Jamaal that much, because I don't see him picking around behind the line waiting for them to take out their man.

I think he would have gotten a bigger boost than Larry did, though, and I'm not saying there wouldn't be a boost. Jamaal running that left sweep behind Roaf would have been a work of art. I just think that that line isn't necessarily what suits him best, whereas they were a perfect fit for Priest's running style.

I tend to agree with this assessment. Priest was just amazing with his patience and vision. Jamaal has more speed and can hit the holes even faster than Priest did.

In the end though, Priest couldn't stay healthy. That is the biggest difference between the two.

[rocknrolla]

Who cares how he spells it. The man speaks truth. No T-Rich, JC just gets it done!

[GloryDayz]

While Nacho was really good at his trade, it's just unfair to compare him to the others who didn't have THAT O-line. I think Larry Johnson and Charles are both pound-for-pound better than Nacho. JC, they had to make sure LJ didn't get those last touches in his last year to make sure he didn't pass Nacho. So the record books will always show Nacho with more yards, but the same book will show who he got those few more yards behind.

Oh, and T-Rich WAS a huge part of Nacho's success... He was blessed to say the least..

It's all good because Nacho and Larry are in our past and Charles is our present, so let's just hope he keep piling up the KC records for us...

[KCrockaholic]

While Nacho was really good at his trade, it's just unfair to compare him to the others who didn't have THAT O-line. I think Larry Johnson and Charles are both pound-for-pound better than Nacho. JC, they had to make sure LJ didn't get those last touches in his last year to make sure he didn't pass Nacho. So the record books will always show Nacho with more yards, but the same book will show who he got those few more yards behind.

Oh, and T-Rich WAS a huge part of Nacho's success... He was blessed to say the least..

It's all good because Nacho and Larry are in our past and Charles is our present, so let's just hope he keep piling up the KC records for us...

It won't matter how close Larry was to breaking Priest's record. Jamaal Charles will be head and shoulders above them all soon.

[GloryDayz]

It won't matter how close Larry was to breaking Priest's record. Jamaal Charles will be head and shoulders above them all soon.

This I like....

[Chieftain58]

Maybe, Priest was pretty awesome

[GloryDayz]

Maybe, Priest was pretty awesome

Lord knows he led us all those post-season wins...

Wait..............

[lewdog]

RED JESUS!!!

[Simplicity]

Guys... Jamaal has ONLY 1 A...!!!!!1 DERP

[Raiderhater]

Lord knows he led us all those post-season wins...

Wait..............

I realize there is a very good possibility it changes this year but, at this point one could make the same point about JC.

[MOhillbilly]

Jamaal and I don't think it's even close.

[GloryDayz]

I realize there is a very good possibility it changes this year but, at this point one could make the same point about JC.

I'm praying he changes that... If our D-line can get healthy and the secondary play a lot more consistantly (and the DC learn how to disguise a fucking blitz a lot better), after these past few weeks I think JC can do his part on O and inspire others on O to be better.

[Kiimo]

I'd take Priest Holmes in his prime over Charles in his prime all day.


But I'd take Marcus Allen in his prime most of all.


This crow is delicious.

[Rain Man]

I guess rumors are swirling about a potential offseason trade of Adrian Peterson. Would we consider bringing him in to back up Charles?

[Demonpenz]

Jamal his hip waggle that leaves people baffled. It's not a full juke it is just this lean...Jamal is A+ on Speed
A on making people miss
B breaking tackles
A catching the ball
A on being a good teamate.

Priest somewhat bitched about screen passes

Johnson was good but of course he was abused by Sandusky.

[GloryDayz]

This crow is delicious.

Meh, don't sweat it either way, I once thought Priest was the cat's ass too. Now, not so much....

[penbrook]

Chris Rose looked surprised Jamaal scored 5 TDs in the Raiders game and Deion just replies Chris he's been doing that all year.

[hometeam]

Jamal his hip waggle that leaves people baffled. It's not a full juke it is just this lean...Jamal is A+ on Speed
A on making people miss
B breaking tackles
A catching the ball
A on being a good teamate.

Priest somewhat bitched about screen passes

Johnson was good but of course he was abused by Sandusky.

Hip wiggle.. thats a good way to describe it, I always called it the wave. Chris Johnson does the same thing.

[DaFace]

I was skeptical for a while, but I don't think there's any question at this point that Charles > Priest. Priest had a ton of weapons around him that worked together. Charles is just able to make something out of nothing all the time.

[Demonpenz]

Priest Started and won a superbowl though. So there is that.

[penbrook]

Michael Irvin says we have a chance of winning the Super Bowl if the defense from the first 9 games shows up.

[Hammock Parties]

Jamal is A+ on Speed


really hope he stays off that stuff...don't want him to get suspended

[Demonpenz]

pop quiz hotshot.

[Strongside]

Chris Rose looked surprised Jamaal scored 5 TDs in the Raiders game and Deion just replies Chris he's been doing that all year.

DUDE. So glad they are phasing out Rich Eisen. That guy is a colossal dick.

[Buck]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/16/ydupane8.jpg

[rocknrolla]

With no T-Rich guiding the way, JC is by far the best!

[penbrook]

With no T-Rich guiding the way, JC is by far the best!

But But we have the Shermanator

[The Franchise]

Dude is quickly becoming the best RB I've ever seen.

[kysirsoze]

Priest was my favorite, but Charles is just on another level right now. He's gonna get offensive player of the year on a team that spent half the year begging the defense to bail them out. He is the single biggest reason we are where we are. Just when I thought the Chiefs were going to blow it today, he was like "naw" and ripped the Raiders again.

He gets better as the game goes on. He has the best all time YPC. Also, I could give two fucks about rushing yards. Total yards are ALL that matters. He does it all and is a great teammate. Fuck... the guy even took a low ball deal. His hands seem to be improving. He blocks and looks to hit guys rather than going down easy. I just can't find fault with the guy.

I will finally buy his jersey when his career is over since I've had bad luck with those in the past. Love ya, Priest, but Jamaal is the most exciting offensive player I've ever seen in a Chiefs uniform.

[suzzer99]

Theotis Brown gets no love?

[Kaepernick]

I think he has a ways to catch Marcus Allen, but he could end up the Chiefs best back.

[mcan]

Priest was my favorite, but Charles is just on another level right now. He's gonna get offensive player of the year on a team that spent half the year begging the defense to bail them out. He is the single biggest reason we are where we are. Just when I thought the Chiefs were going to blow it today, he was like "naw" and ripped the Raiders again.

He gets better as the game goes on. He has the best all time YPC. Also, I could give two fucks about rushing yards. Total yards are ALL that matters. He does it all and is a great teammate. Fuck... the guy even took a low ball deal. His hands seem to be improving. He blocks and looks to hit guys rather than going down easy. I just can't find fault with the guy.

I will finally buy his jersey when his career is over since I've had bad luck with those in the past. Love ya, Priest, but Jamaal is the most exciting offensive player I've ever seen in a Chiefs uniform.


He made a strong case for MVP today. Manning will probably win (and as much as I hate the dude, he deserves it) but Charles will absolutely be a part of that discussion. Can't deny that Charles is probably as important to us as Manning is to the Broncos. It's close, anyway.

[penbrook]

Manning - MVP

Charles - Offensive Player of the Year

[teedubya]

The dude is on a whole 'nother level. Love that dude. Plus, I rock Pumas.

[UK_Chief]

I loved Priest but he had one of the best O-lines we've ever seen to run behind. Imagine what JC would do with that line!!!

[Halfcan]

I think JC pretty much swayed the opinion he is the greatest ever in a chiefs uniform. a few more years with production like this-could be up in the top 5 in the nfl.

[dtebbe]

Willie Roaf made that WHOLE line work. The day he retired our line went to shit, our Offense went to shit and Trent Green got a concussion running for his life. If he was blocking for Jamaal, we'd be looking at history being made.

I would say Willie Roaf + Tony Richardson is what made that running game work, especially inside the 5. When they got inside the 5 you might as well just put the 7 on the board. We got kinda spoiled with that...

They traded T-Rich the same year that Roaf retired. Double whammy.

DT

[Rain Man]

I think he has a ways to catch Marcus Allen, but he could end up the Chiefs best back.

Marcus ran 3,022 times for 12,243 yards and 123 TDs. He averaged 4.1 yards per carry.

To date, Jamaal has run 1,030 times for 5,717 yards and 28 TDs. He's averaging 5.6 yards per carry.

So to catch Marcus statistically, Jamaal needs to run the ball 1,997 times for 6526 yards, which would average 3.27 yards per carry. It would appear that longevity is his sole remaining barrier.

Marcus also had 587 receptions for 5,411 yards and 21 TDs (9.2 yards per reception), whereas Jamaal is currently at 217 receptions for 1,937 yards and 14 TDs (8.9 yards per reception). So Jamaal needs another 370 receptions for 3,474 yards, averaging 9.39 yards per reception.

Both are clearly top runners. Marcus had success for a long time, but Jamaal is much more productive with the ball in his hands than (and I love saying this) any other player in the history of the National Football League.

[cosmo20002]

I think he has a ways to catch Marcus Allen, but he could end up the Chiefs best back.

If you're talking about just Allen's years with the Chiefs, he's not even in the discussion.

[Kiimo]

Marcus ran 3,022 times for 12,243 yards and 123 TDs. He averaged 4.1 yards per carry.

To date, Jamaal has run 1,030 times for 5,717 yards and 28 TDs. He's averaging 5.6 yards per carry.

So to catch Marcus statistically, Jamaal needs to run the ball 1,997 times for 6526 yards, which would average 3.27 yards per carry. It would appear that longevity is his sole remaining barrier.

Marcus also had 587 receptions for 5,411 yards and 21 TDs (9.2 yards per reception), whereas Jamaal is currently at 217 receptions for 1,937 yards and 14 TDs (8.9 yards per reception). So Jamaal needs another 370 receptions for 3,474 yards, averaging 9.39 yards per reception.

Both are clearly top runners. Marcus had success for a long time, but Jamaal is much more productive with the ball in his hands than (and I love saying this) any other player in the history of the National Football League.



So Jamaal needs nearly a HUNDRED more touchdowns to catch Marcus Allen.

:shake:

Marcus Allen man. Jeez.

[Rain Man]

So Jamaal needs nearly a HUNDRED more touchdowns to catch Marcus Allen.

:shake:

Marcus Allen man. Jeez.

Marcus was a short-yardage machine, while Jamaal historically didn't get goal line carries. Interestingly, Jamaal is still behind Marcus' rushing TD total from the Chiefs. Marcus had 44 in five seasons with KC and Jamaal has 28 in more or less the same time period.

Jamaal has a lot of receiving TDs, though, and closes the gap in that respect. Marcus had 47 total TDs as a Chief, whereas Jamaal has 43 if you include one return TD.

It's interesting to me that 1/3 of Jamaal's TDs are receptions. That seems like a high ratio for a running back.