Fire Bob Sutton

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

I'm mad, someone's head has to roll. Get rid of him.

[dtrain]

He sat back the whole second half and let Luck chew them up!!!

[BossChief]

Wade Phillips?

[Eleazar]

Robinson and Lewis should be left in Indianapolis

[FloridaMan88]

Sutton had 5 Pro Bowl players on defense… that is half of the defense and put forth this historically bad shit.

He should be fired immediately.

[GloucesterChief]

Some people should not leave that stadium with a job. Someone has to be held responsible and if Andy won't do it. Fire him too.

[Bump]

1. Fire Sutton
2. Cut Lewis
3. Find a god damn WR/CB and safety in draft/free agency.

Aw fuck it, what difference will it make? We will never win a playoff game, ever. IT will never fucking happen again.

[bsp4444]

Almost no blitzes in the second half. Sutton should go.

[TribalElder]

we were not agressive at all in the second half on offense

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

Aw **** it, what difference will it make? We will never win a playoff game, ever. IT will never ****ing happen again.

I'm literally embarrassed to be a Chiefs fan right now. What a joke of a team.

[TambaBerry]

I won't root for the Chiefs if they don't fire him.

[flash_80]

He needs to go... Him and Kendrick Lewis should be out of the league next year.

[jabrenneis]

This was absolutely garbage. Duanta Robinson, Kendrick Lewis and Sean Smith shouldn't have a job come tomorrow morning.

[AlexSmithDynasty]

One of the absolute worst defensive choke jobs I've ever seen.

[Three7s]

1. Fire Sutton
2. Cut Lewis
3. Find a god damn WR/CB and safety in draft/free agency.

Aw **** it, what difference will it make? We will never win a playoff game, ever. IT will never ****ing happen again.
This

I'll still follow the team and what not, but I'll never ever expect a playoff win from this franchise ever. Just as I assumed we'd lose today, which we did.

[blsilks]

Most of our so called Pro Bowlers should be traded away away while they are overrated.

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

Oh, another thing.

HOW BOUT THAT TACKLING?

[BlackHelicopters]

Why?

[Bowser]

Why?

Because he's proven that he's not worth a fuck as a defensive coordinator.

[FRCDFED]

Fire up the plane!!!!!! Get a banner in the air!

[Ragged Robin]

Axe him. There's no excuse for what just happened. Let's all remember that it's not just THIS GAME. The defensive collapse has been MONTHS in the making..

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

Why?

Notice the part of the game where the Defense played like ass. That's why.

[NewChief]

No one is going to get fired from a historical turnaround for the franchise. I'm not saying I disagree with the sentiment, but it won't happen.

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

No one is going to get fired from a historical turnaround for the franchise. I'm not saying I disagree with the sentiment, but it won't happen.

If Marty can get fired after a 14-2 season, Sutton can, too.

[Jimmya]

Hire Ray Horton now. ..reassign Bob Sutton like the Jets did.

[Bowser]

No one is going to get fired from a historical turnaround for the franchise. I'm not saying I disagree with the sentiment, but it won't happen.

Clancy Pendergast

[Iconic]

Correction: Dunta Robinson should be fired.
If you are going to play man you need to be 4 deep in quality CB's. We have two above average ones and a rookie.

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

Correction: Dunta Robinson should be fired.
If you are going to play man you need to be 4 deep in quality CB's. We have two above average ones and a rookie.

Oddly enough, that's a decision that Bob Sutton has control over. And had the ability to change. But he didn't.

[dirk digler]

He should be gone by tomorrow

[suzzer99]

I agree Sutton should be fired. You have how many pro-bowlers and all-pros on defense and you can't stop anyone ever the second half of the season? Fuck that

[suzzer99]

No one is going to get fired from a historical turnaround for the franchise. I'm not saying I disagree with the sentiment, but it won't happen.

Fuck you because fuck you that's why

[Ragged Robin]

Correction: Dunta Robinson should be fired.
If you are going to play man you need to be 4 deep in quality CB's. We have two above average ones and a rookie.

Good DCs know how to mask personnel deficiencies and put your personnel in the best place to succeed based on their talents. Sutton's scheme is a one trick pony which only works against poor quarterbacks who aren't accurate enough or can't read the field well enough to beat man coverage. There's a reason why teams have ran rub routes ALL DAY on us for MONTHS to incredible success. He doesn't know how to adjust and has no answer for it.

[dannybcaitlyn]

Good DCs know how to mask personnel deficiencies and put your personnel in the best place to succeed based on their talents. Sutton's scheme is a one trick pony which only works against poor quarterbacks who aren't accurate enough or can't read the field well enough to beat man coverage. There's a reason why teams have ran rub routes ALL DAY on us for MONTHS to incredible success. He doesn't know how to adjust and has no answer for it.

ALL Day THis!!!

[Jimmya]

From Colts radio "for some reason the chiefs quit blitzing in the 2nd half"

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

Only Sutton could fuck up this bad. I don't care how hot Luck was.

You have how many pro-bowlers? How many all-pros? And with all this, you couldn't fucking stop him from scoring 4 TDs in 1 half of football? Sutton has no business being on this team with a performance like that.

[RINGLEADER]

If Bob Sutton had any balls he'd quit before they got on the plane.

Not that I care... ;)

[RINGLEADER]

From Colts radio "for some reason the chiefs quit blitzing in the 2nd half"

Well, I don't know if it was the blitzing or not, but the pass rush became really ineffective.

Our defense relaxed and got Andrew Luck's right arm shoved up their collective azzes. When it started getting close, both sides of the ball choked. And choked hard.

[mcaj22]

Andy and Dorsey can redeem themselves this offseason by firing Bob Sutton and replacing him with Horton or Phillips. That will keep me interested and hopeful. I believe they will do the right thing

[RINGLEADER]

**** you because **** you that's why

(thumb)

Old guard CP vs new guard CP...

[flash_80]

It's not even the lack of blitzing that baffles me in the second half.. It's that there is no imagination with the pass rush or scheme in general... No stunts, no delayed pursuit, I'm not sure Hali or Houston dropped into coverage once the entire game.. He does nothing but rush 4 straight up and then leave his CB's out on an island. Smart QB's will disect this strategy every time.

[Red Dawg]

He should be fired. How can you not even attempt a blitz when Luck is just killing you. You gotta go after him a few times at least. No excuse for blowing a lead that big.

[dannybcaitlyn]

The Colts had a banged up secondary and they were sending the house on us in the second half with blitzes. While BOB sat idle.

[chiefzilla1501]

Well, I don't know if it was the blitzing or not, but the pass rush became really ineffective.

Our defense relaxed and got Andrew Luck's right arm shoved up their collective azzes. When it started getting close, both sides of the ball choked. And choked hard.

They stopped blitzing. I didn't have a problem with Sutton most of the year. His conservative third quarter defense was just. ..

[ILChief]

Is Ray Horton available?

[Snapplez]

Why is Lewis never benched? We switch CBs like dirty underwear but fuckhead Kendrick is out there fuckin it up play after fuckin play

[Red Dawg]

**** you because **** you that's why

He's right. Sutton won't get fired

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

Lewis was the one who got burned on the game-winning TD.

Oh btw, Kendrick Lewis. He's not getting back on the plane.

Fuck. Him.

[kcpasco]

Fuck Sutton and fuck the Chiefs

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

He's right. Sutton won't get fired

I'd literally burn the Chiefs hoodie I'm wearing right now if Sutton is our DC next year. If our organization doesn't have the balls to get rid of him, then it's not worth cheering for this team.

[htismaqe]

Sutton isn't getting fired. Jesus people.

[flash_80]

The secondary is always confused about their assignments and as bad as they have been, I attribute most of that to having a bad teacher. On that last TD to Hilton, Lewis didn't even seem to know his assignment because he was turned to the outside when there was already a guy playing the sideline deep. And again on the TD to Fleener he was facing the sideline and Fleener blew right by him for an easy TD. How does a guy, 18 weeks into the season not know his assignments??

[Jimmya]

Sirius radio "for some inexplicable reason the chiefs rushed 4 and stayed in the same shell the entire second half."

[mnchiefsguy]

Sutton isn't getting fired. Jesus people.

I do not think so either. One can only hope that if we get some better players in the secondary, we can get better results.

Dorsey turned over half the roster this season. Hopefully he continues the process and the team improves.

[mnchiefsguy]

Oh, and **** YOU BOB SUTTON!

[lcarus]

Robinson and Lewis should be left in Indianapolis

Yep. Just terrible. Any guy off the street could do a better job than these 2 clowns did this year, and especially this game.

[notorious]

The defense gave up around 310 yards passing in the 2nd half along with around 40-50 rushing.


When playing with a lead and forcing 2 turnovers that is nearly impossible.

[mcaj22]

a defense with 5 pro bowlers and how many high draft picks and FA money spent on it?

There's no excuse, you can't even UPGRADE a defense any more than we already have. Not even the best defenses in the NFL have as much as we invested on defense.

It's sad really

[Jimmya]

You guys that defend Sutton, answer this question "do you expect dbs to cover forever while rushing only 4?"Wow

[Big Poppa Payne]

They are cursed and they should start by burning the uniforms and coming out next season with new unis. It worked for Denver and St Louis.

[Bowser]

Sutton isn't getting fired. Jesus people.

Not saying you're wrong, but you can't convince me he deserves to keep his job, especially watching this defense play since their bye week. It's been like two different defenses have taken the field.

[FloridaMan88]

Sutton isn't getting fired. Jesus people.

He should.

Someone needs to pay for what happened today.

[Jimmya]

Hire Ray Horton

[jspchief]

So is there a resource that tells how many times we blitzed in each game?

I don't understand why we blitz so rarely. When we are clearly getting beat anyway, why not try to get to the qb?

[htismaqe]

Not saying you're wrong, but you can't convince me he deserves to keep his job, especially watching this defense play since their bye week. It's been like two different defenses have taken the field.

Andy Reid has a history of being loyal to a fault. He's not getting fired, no matter how justified it might seem on the surface.

[dannybcaitlyn]

Hire Ray Horton

Is he available?

[Jimmya]

I agree....The owner of The Eagles said that Reid was so loyal that he wouldn't fire Castillo as DC so Reid had to go.

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

If Sutton stays, I guess that seals my fate of staying a Chiefs fan. Fuck the NFL.

[mcaj22]

Is he available?

yes

Fun fact: Horton sold his 1999 Mercedes SL500, valued at over $17,000 at the time, to a Steelers cafeteria worker for $20 after landing the defensive coordinator job in Arizona.

Why he'd make sense: Horton is ready for a head coaching job, whether it's in Detroit or elsewhere. He's an aggressive, detail-oriented coach who is adored by his players because he incorporates their strengths and weaknesses, as well as likes and dislikes, into his attacking defensive scheme.

Horton obviously has an outstanding coaching pedigree, playing and working under Dick Lebeau for more than a decade, first in Cincinnati, then in Pittsburgh.

As the defensive backs coach in Pittsburgh, Horton routinely had the Steelers ranked in the top five in pass defense. In Arizona, he took one of the league's worst units and turned them into a productive group that ranked near the top of the league in red zone and third down defense.


Horton did the same in Cleveland this year, taking a young squad and transforming them from the 23rd-ranked unit to ninth in just one season.

In a Passing League it's not about how many flashy sacks you can generate, it's about stopping the fucking pass in critical situations. Ray Horton has proven he can do that with coverage, which Sutton can't do.

[Jimmya]

Where are the Sutton lovers that kept saying "you dont know anything, with Houston and Hali we'll win by 20?"

[htismaqe]

In a Passing League it's not about how many flashy sacks you can generate, it's about stopping the fucking pass in critical situations. Ray Horton has proven he can do that with coverage, which Sutton can't do.

Yep.

It happened all year, the easiest way to neutralize our pass rush is to get the ball out on time.

Our secondary has more holes than a Bangkok whorehouse.

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

The fact of the matter is, Sutton could not adjust his scheme. Teams got film on the defense and Sutton made no changes. He stopped being aggressive and relied on the weakest part of the defense, the secondary, constantly. He refused to substitute in 2nd-stringers to give our guys a breather.

[Jimmya]

Hell....He wouldn't even double cover Hilton....damn

[Dave Lane]

One of the absolute worst offensive and defensive choke jobs I've ever seen.

Fixed your post

[mcaj22]

money well spent on Sean Smith and Dunta Robinson

we can get out of the Dunta Robinson contract easily but stuck with Sean Smith for another season at least. Bummer

[Jimmya]

There isn't one corner in the league that can cover for 5 seconds with a 4 man rush the whole game

[mcaj22]

There isn't one corner in the league that can cover for 5 seconds with a 4 man rush the whole game

most of those passes werent 5 seconds, Andrew Luck was getting them out anywhere between 2 and 3 seconds

the pass rush couldnt get there because QUICK RELEASE QBS SHRED BOB SUTTONS SHITTY COVERAGES

Pass Happy League is all about quick releases. Teams that know how to cover can confuse/stop quick release QBs.

[Sure-Oz]

Sutton has to go...this defense had no pressure the last 9 games. this was no different. feast or famine. get Turnovers but no stops

[KevB]

For me, it's simply the fact that you can't have busted coverages time and time again in the 17th game of the season. That's on the coaches, period. We had guys throughout the year completely unsure of what they were supposed to be doing in the secondary.

We looked like a college defense with as many completely uncovered receivers I saw today.

[Jimmya]

Well mca the colts blitzed more than kc in the 2nd half...who won?

[dannybcaitlyn]

If he isn't fired maybe Reid talks him into retiring like Coughlin did to Gilbride.

[Dunerdr]

In

[KevB]

Rodney Harrison just torched Sutton

[ceebz]

Sutton needs to go. Agreed.

I also think the Chiefs should put Hali on the open market or let him go. He and Houston are basically the same type of pass rusher, and the Chiefs need a speed rusher off the edge.

Of course, the obvious changes need to be made on the back end, and they really need some depth along the DLine. Poe could be much more effective when playing 40-some plays rather than 60-70.

[jspchief]

Rodney Harrison just torched Sutton

Harrison has been on Sutton for awhile. He's usually spot on.

[JakeLV]

Rodney Harrison just torched Sutton

I can't watch anymore football.

What did he say?

[dannybcaitlyn]

Rodney Harrison just torched Sutton

Yep, Pretty much said Sutton is a dumbass!!

[JakeLV]

Oh and Hello Wade Phillips

[dirk digler]

Rodney Harrison just torched Sutton

Yep. You can't have a collapse like this in the playoffs and expect to keep your job.

[KChiefs1]

IN!

Rodney Harrison agrees!

[KevB]

I can't watch anymore football.

What did he say?

Basically said he didn't understand the defensive plan for this game. The one guy you can't let beat you is Hilton, you have to double him. "Fleener isn't going to beat you running out routes".

[Ceej]

Yes please to Wade Phillips.

[FloridaMan88]

Andy Reid stuck with Juan Castillo as Philly's DC, despite everyone calling for him to be fired, but this is a different level of suckage.

Sutton deserves to be fired after what happened today.

[notorious]

Sutton deserves to be fired after what this season.

FYP

[GloryDayz]

Sutton had 5 Pro Bowl players on defense… that is half of the defense and put forth this historically bad shit.

He should be fired immediately.

LOL... He played rested players who got little to no rush all game long (at least when compared to what Indy put on Alex, and his secondary prolly couldn't start at the college level. Both Hali and Houston looked totally useless on most o the plays, so the few things they did well was nice, but neither of them are anything close to a Mathis - not even close!

So yeah, like Robinson on '03, he needs to go for what happened on the field at the hands of HIS defense.

As for the pro-bowlers.... Yeah, I'm thinking we all know the NFL should have picked better... These guys SUCK!

[Sure-Oz]

I bet Sutton is back, this is year 1

[JakeLV]

Wade Phillips is a f---ing rock star when it comes to 3-4 defense.

Sutton followed the recipe of insanity... doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

T. Y. Hilton (IND) - 13 REC, 224 YDS, 2 TD


Only play maker they got and Sutton let him go off.

[Jimmya]

I agree.. not even smart enough to double Hilton.

[dirk digler]

I bet Sutton is back, this is year 1

Oh I am sure he will be and I expect the same results

[SeeingRed]

This may sound ridiculous and is probably wrong but to the eye test I'd swear that Florida State passing attack may give the Chiefs secondary problems........tonight anyway. That was rough to watch. Looked like the secondary all was playing hungover or something. 2nd half looked kinda terrible. This was THE best defense for 1st half of the season in NFL....wasnt close. Tonight? No

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

This guy had no answer for a elite QB. Look how many Elite QB we play next year.

[GloryDayz]

I bet Sutton is back, this is year 1

Yep.. This is what happens when people try to prove how "cool" and "calm" they are... And we're stuck with him for a while longer.

He's an asshole, sucks, and will guide the Chiefs defense for a while to come (because Andy is just that way).

I'm sure Andy will take the fellas out for Pizza and ice cream and give them all participation awards.

[ceebz]

If Sutton is back, the entire coaching staff and front office need to go. You don't give up a 28 point lead in the second half of a playoff game and keep your job.

[GordonGekko]

Sutton is gone after this to be sure. Wade Philips is another choke artist. Please bring in someone with actual championship experience.

[JohnnyV13]

Ray Horton. I agree.

Sutton is now the Defensive Coordinator that Shall Remain Nameless.

[GloryDayz]

If Sutton is back, the entire coaching staff and front office need to go. You don't give up a 28 point lead in the second half of a playoff game and keep your job.

LOL, I suspect softie Andy-Panda will welcome him back with open arms and focus on the 9-0 start, the pro-bowl kids, and how they'll "learn" from this season. He's too fat and out of breath to actually do something to make things better. And if they do "something" we'll never know...

[GloryDayz]

And I hope Belcher's Mom sues the shot it of the Chiefs and Clark and wins. Then he'll raise prices even more and MAYBE, he sees a more empty Arrowhead. Fuck him and this franchise...

[Big Poppa Payne]

I'm not taking up for Bob Sutton, I agree he should probably be fired. However the ultimate blame falls on the players. These guys get paid a lot of money, millions of dollars and they are professional athletes. They need to execute and they aren't doing that, this has become a broken record with the Chiefs and it's embarrassing.

[Saccopoo]

I'm not taking up for Bob Sutton, I agree he should probably be fired. However the ultimate blame falls on the players. These guys get paid a lot of money, millions of dollars and they are professional athletes. They need to execute and they aren't doing that, this has become a broken record with the Chiefs and it's embarrassing.

They are executing a scheme that's being given to them to run.

The scheme failed.

Miserably.

[prhom]

It's hard for me to imagine how he could keep his job with as much as we have invested in that side of the ball and with how they've played at various points in the season. We've seen some great games and some terrible games, but the trend is going down fast. It's not all on Hali and Houston getting injured either, they were non-factors the second half of the season.

[chiefzilla1501]

I'm not taking up for Bob Sutton, I agree he should probably be fired. However the ultimate blame falls on the players. These guys get paid a lot of money, millions of dollars and they are professional athletes. They need to execute and they aren't doing that, this has become a broken record with the Chiefs and it's embarrassing.

Base 4-3 in the second half. No blitzes. No stunts. No body in the back 7 within a mile of the line of scrimmage to even fake a blitz. We went full out conservative. It was a crime how dumb that was.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Colts 3rd Q drives

DRIVE TOTALS: KC 38, IND 17, 5 plays, 80 yards, 1:52 elapsed

DRIVE TOTALS: KC 38, IND 24, 5 plays, 41 yards, 1:28 elapsed

1 Play drive INT

DRIVE TOTALS: KC 41, IND 31, 6 plays, 80 yards, 1:41 elapsed



What a fucking joke 3 TD that fast. At least make the Colts work some clock before you let them score.

[mcaj22]

3 touchdowns in 5 minutes means you have no business calling a defense

[SilentHell]

3 TDs with having that many probowlers on defense through an entire game is not exactly great

[kcpasco]

You can blame Sutton all you want but I am blaming the players in this one.

[prhom]

You can blame Sutton all you want but I am blaming the players in this one.

Certainly part of the blame is theirs, but they did get 4 turnovers, and the offense scored a lot of points. Most average defenses could hold a lead in that situation.

[dannybcaitlyn]

You can blame Sutton all you want but I am blaming the players in this one.

Not putting double coverage on Ty Hilton is more of a scheme thing.

[chiefzilla1501]

You can blame Sutton all you want but I am blaming the players in this one.

Watch the scheme again. We basically played prevent in the third quarter when things got nuts.

[BigCatDaddy]

You can blame Sutton all you want but I am blaming the players in this one.

How about the guy that acquired some of the shitty players or put them on the field? Smith and Robinson were pretty bad and there HAD to be someone that could fill in for Lewis worth a shit.

[bevischief]

He needs to go... Him and Kendrick Lewis should be out of the league next year.

This can't happen fast enough.

[Easy 6]

How about the guy that acquired some of the shitty players or put them on the field? Smith and Robinson were pretty bad and there HAD to be someone that could fill in for Lewis worth a shit.

You're a big fat piece of roasted labia, have I mentioned that yet?

No, well that's ok... most pieces of labia fat aren't all that sharp, its nothing weird, sweety.

[bevischief]

3 touchdowns in 5 minutes means you have no business calling a defense

This.

[suzzer99]

Yeah - you can't stop any decent QB with that much talent? You have to go.

[Ragged Robin]

The Chiefs sent four or fewer rushers on 47-of-49 dropbacks (96 percent)

per ESPN (http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=340104011)

[Al Bundy]

Ya know.. one a couple of those TD's, especially the game winner, he had players in the right position. They just took bad angles and missed tackles.

[Jimmya]

Wow....I can't believe that espn stat. Sutton needs to go. Chiefs gave up 100 yds more than the 2003 debacle versus Manning and that got Robinson fired.

[kcxiv]

per ESPN (http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=340104011)

That means he blitzed 2 times in the game. Yeah,he's not scared to blitz. Early in the season he was sending guys,then when the Chiefs got to 9-0 he fucking stopped sending guys and we went down fucking hill. 2-6 in the last 8 games 7 of them lost because his asshole puckered up.

[dannybcaitlyn]

That means he blitzed 2 times in the game. Yeah,he's not scared to blitz. Early in the season he was sending guys,then when the Chiefs got to 9-0 he ****ing stopped sending guys and we went down ****ing hill. 2-6 in the last 8 games 7 of them lost because his asshole puckered up.

From week 8 we've given up the 2nd most yards. Only dallas has given up more. First 8 games top 5, last 8 dead last defense.

[dannybcaitlyn]

per ESPN (http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=340104011)

Just the Biggest pussy of a D-coordinator I have ever seen! Sutton can't leave town quick enough.

[Cannibal]

Sutton's lack of adjustments for the season as a whole, and in game were enough to get him canned in my opinion.

[dannybcaitlyn]

Ya know.. one a couple of those TD's, especially the game winner, he had players in the right position. They just took bad angles and missed tackles.

Oh yea, Trailing the receiver on the GW touchdown was the right position. facepalm

[kcpasco]

Oh yea, Trailing the receiver on the GW touchdown was the right position. facepalm

It was a cover 2. Yes that was on the players for sucking shit.

[rabblerouser]

It was a cover 2. Yes that was on the players for sucking shit.

the cover 2 sucks shit, period - and how do BOTH safties let the WR get behind them?? Both Lewis and Demps were trailing...

:shake:

[scho63]

When you have a good HOT receiver like TY Hilton, you put one physical guy on the line to impede and bash him on EVERY snap to disrupt him along with the normal cover guy. He will not be the guy to beat you once he gets going.

What did Sutton do? NOTHING a big fat NOTHING.

TY Hilton ran all over the field WIDE open the entire game including the game winner where he turned KenDICk Blewus around in circles and ran right past BOTH coverage guys.

Sutton sucked balls the entire second half of the season, never adjusts, and had a BIG hand in costing us this game.

It was another PATHETIC display that has only added to the long and miserable history of being a Chiefs fan.

We are one of the NFL's laughing stock teams along with Cleveland, Oakland, and Detroit.

[kcpasco]

the cover 2 sucks shit, period - and how do BOTH safties let the WR get behind them?? Both Lewis and Demps were trailing...

:shake:

I honestly believe the secondary was sucking so bad it did not matter what scheme was called. I am not trying to defend Sutton but he had jack and shit to work with.

[kcpasco]

You think Sutton just ignored Hilton all game. Or maybe nobody in the secondary could cover him either in man or zone.

[rabblerouser]

I honestly believe the secondary was sucking so bad it did not matter what scheme was called. I am not trying to defend Sutton but he had jack and shit to work with.

agreed

[rabblerouser]

You think Sutton just ignored Hilton all game. Or maybe nobody in the secondary could cover him either in man or zone.

that's why they have this thing called 'double coverage'

if you aren't blitzing (which we weren't) then mix coverages, and double that asshole.

it's not rocket surgery or brain science. fuck.

[kcpasco]

that's why they have this thing called 'double coverage'

if you aren't blitzing (which we weren't) then mix coverages, and double that asshole.

it's not rocket surgery or brain science. ****.

Maybe but I am guessing Luck would have just hit the TE instead in that situation.

[dannybcaitlyn]

that's why they have this thing called 'double coverage'

if you aren't blitzing (which we weren't) then mix coverages, and double that asshole.

it's not rocket surgery or brain science. ****.

Agreed. He should have been Doubled. Suttton should have learned that from when we played Denver and Decker torched us.

[rabblerouser]

Maybe but I am guessing Luck would have just hit the TE instead in that situation.

I'll take my chances with Eric Berry on Coby Fleener.

every. fucking. down.

[rabblerouser]

Agreed. He should have been Doubled. Suttton should have learned that from when we played Denver and Decker torched us.

yeah, but that's a bit harder to do - Denver has more receiving weapons than indy does.

[kcpasco]

I'll take my chances with Eric Berry on Coby Fleener.

every. ****ing. down.

Ordinarily I would say yes. But Berry was having a horrible game himself. I have never seen him miss so many tackles.

[dannybcaitlyn]

yeah, but that's a bit harder to do - Denver has more receiving weapons than indy does.

True, but you have enough people to do it when your only bringing in four lineman.

[Stalker]

Oh, another thing.

HOW BOUT THAT TACKLING?

Even Berry missed a tackle

[dannybcaitlyn]

Ordinarily I would say yes. But Berry was having a horrible game himself. I have never seen him miss so many tackles.

Fleener wasn't beating us on Deep passes. At least it would have made them use up the clock if all they had to do is dink and dunk. Hilton was beating us deep and in chunks.

[SeeingRed]

The back ups played better against San Diego actually...much better

[rabblerouser]

Fleener wasn't beating us on Deep passes. At least it would have made them use up the clock if all they had to do is dink and dunk. Hilton was beating us deep and in chunks.

this.

and I have to believe that Berry eventually figures Luck/Fleener out, makes a read, breaks on the ball and picks it off.

[dannybcaitlyn]

Did Catapano go back in the game? They pulled him after his penalty.

[SeeingRed]

Did Catapano go back in the game? They pulled him after his penalty.

Nope...for a play or two only. Didnt get that either. All I know is we had no pass rush and no secondary from midway through the 3rd quarter on

[rabblerouser]

Nope...for a play or two only. Didnt get that either. All I know is we had no pass rush and no secondary from midway through the 3rd quarter on

everyone was gassed. they ran out of steam.

[dannybcaitlyn]

Nope...for a play or two only. Didnt get that either. All I know is we had no pass rush and no secondary from midway through the 3rd quarter on

That's what I figured. The D-line looked so lifeless the second half. A pass rush specialist like Catapano needs to be on the field when your up 28 pts. Sutton goes in full shell.

[SeeingRed]

everyone was gassed. they ran out of steam.

Then why not rotate guys in...clearly have capable back ups if guys are tired. That 2nd half made no sense to me. :shake:

[SeeingRed]

That's what I figured. The D-line looked so lifeless the second half. A pass rush specialist like Catapano needs to be on the field when your up 28 pts. Sutton goes in full shell.

yup! I agree with this 100%. I saw Cat once after that on 1st down on a 3 yard run play then they took him out. Like why use him on 1st down but not on 3rd down? Odd

[dannybcaitlyn]

everyone was gassed. they ran out of steam.

The scheme is so bad or we have the worst strengthening and conditioning coach ever. Could be both.

[rabblerouser]

Then why not rotate guys in...clearly have capable back ups if guys are tired. That 2nd half made no sense to me. :shake:

Agreed.

And that is Sutton & Co's biggest fail.

[GloryDayz]

When you have a good HOT receiver like TY Hilton, you put one physical guy on the line to impede and bash him on EVERY snap to disrupt him along with the normal cover guy. He will not be the guy to beat you once he gets going.

What did Sutton do? NOTHING a big fat NOTHING.

TY Hilton ran all over the field WIDE open the entire game including the game winner where he turned KenDICk Blewus around in circles and ran right past BOTH coverage guys.

Sutton sucked balls the entire second half of the season, never adjusts, and had a BIG hand in costing us this game.

It was another PATHETIC display that has only added to the long and miserable history of being a Chiefs fan.

We are one of the NFL's laughing stock teams along with Cleveland, Oakland, and Detroit.

This.....

[GloryDayz]

everyone was gassed. they ran out of steam.

After being rested last week... Add that we don't rotate well (just too stupid as a franchise to pull-off that trick), and you get what you saw...

[rabblerouser]

After being rested last week... Add that we don't rotate well (just too stupid as a franchise to pull-off that trick), and you get what you saw...

:banghead::banghead::banghead:

[SeeingRed]

:banghead::banghead::banghead:

this def this! :shake: seems like the more time that passes the angrier i get...feel like beating up random strangers wearing blue im so mad :evil:

[GloryDayz]

LOL, Chefs players sucking Colt horse dick.... "Just didn't get it done" and moving on. What a group of fucking pussies... No shit you illiterate no football playing pieces of dried horse cum!

I'm sure these fag-fuckees would stand by and do nothing if their prison-pregnant mothers were getting ass-raped by a band of AIDS infected jungle apes.

[Rausch]

Agreed.

And that is Sutton & Co's biggest fail.

As the season went on it should have been clear the two man reasons this defense was being gashed:

1) Sutton
2) Lewis

[rabblerouser]

LOL, Chefs players sucking Colt horse dick.... "Just didn't get it done" and moving on. What a group of ****ing pussies... No shit you illiterate no football playing pieces of dried horse cum!

I'm sure these pillowbiter-****ees would stand by and do nothing if their prison-pregnant mothers were getting ass-raped by a band of AIDS infected jungle apes.

Wow. I mean, I don't disagree with a word you posted, but...damn.

[ChiefRocka]

1. sutton
2. secondary depth
3. injuries

Hali was banged up and Houston could not have been in game shape.

[GloryDayz]

As the season went on it should have been clear the two man reasons this defense was being gashed:

1) Sutton
2) Lewis

But when you live in Dallas (as the owner) and you have rose-colored lens implants in your eyes, you don't see anything "for what it is."

That being said, I think Lewis will be replaced. Unfortunately they'll just find another Lewis to replace Lewis. And we'll forget that Hali and Houston were neutered, Poe was pretty useless, and stunts and blitzes weren't even tried (or that our players are too stupid or untalented to make them happen).

For the people of KC, I fear we'll keep seeing a lot more of the same. Even if some of the Hunts are mad, in typical Hunt fashion, they have stayed silent while their team has brought embarrassment onto the city that's stuck on the side of their helmets (while they head back to Dallas).

Perhaps it's time to replace the "KC" in the logo to something else. Even if it's an "Indian" thing, I don't care, I just don't want my city's "name" on the side of their helmets anymore, it's prolly hurting tourism and business at this point (not that we have much).

[Rausch]

But when you live in Dallas (as the owner) and you have rose-colored lens implants in your eyes, you don't see anything "for what it is."

That being said, I think Lewis will be replaced. Unfortunately they'll just find another Lewis to replace Lewis. And we'll forget that Hali and Houston were neutered, Poe was pretty useless, and stunts and blitzes weren't even tried (or that our players are too stupid or untalented to make them happen).

The whole point of running a 3-4 is the amount of options it gives you. Unusual angles, a wide range of player types and tweeners, exotic coverages and blitzes.

It allows you to attack the offense and QB in a number of different ways and cause confusion.

Why do we end up with the only DC's in the league who don't take advantage of this and play passive 3-4 defense?

[GloryDayz]

Wow. I mean, I don't disagree with a word you posted, but...damn.

I've already said that sleeping on it didn't help..... And now they're embarrassing MY city, so fuck them and their fragile emotions. Like Hunt, they'll all be out of here soon enough (even if they have homes here), but they aren't from KC, the owner doesn't even live here, and the rest are only here as long as the money flows in so I don't think they can care.

Fuck them all (in the asshole with a splintered telephone pole)... Fags!

[rabblerouser]

I've already said that sleeping on it didn't help..... And now they're embarrassing MY city, so **** them and their fragile emotions. Like Hunt, they'll all be out of here soon enough (even if they have homes here), but they aren't from KC, the owner doesn't even live here, and the rest are only here as long as the money flows in so I don't think they can care.

**** them all (in the asshole with a splintered telephone pole)... pillowbiters!

can't argue with a single word.

it's like, we take this more personally than they do.

[GloryDayz]

The whole point of running a 3-4 is the amount of options it gives you. Unusual angles, a wide range of player types and tweeners, exotic coverages and blitzes.

It allows you to attack the offense and QB in a number of different ways and cause confusion.

Why do we end up with the only DC's in the league who don't take advantage of this and play passive 3-4 defense?

Because we take retreads for players and coaches. And at this point, that's all that will work for the Hunts. They'll all talk differently, they'll claim we don't know what we're talking about (yawn!!), they won't explain how this could be like this since 1969 (or the last 20 years), they'll call for calm (again), but we all know that's because they're "keeping to a code" (especially the national press who can't be honest [or they'll face the rage of the NFL machine]), and holding back the honesty because it won't be good for the league.

Let's face it, football or baseball, "KC" is simply a cash-cow for some out-of-staters, and they don't care about wins or championships... We are either a pretty decent recurring paycheck (that takes nothing to turn a profit on), a cruel experiment for small-market sports teams, or both. Either way, this city is fucked!

[FloridaMan88]

Sutton has 5 Pro Bowl players on defense to work with.

For a comparison the 2000 Baltimore Ravens had 3 Pro Bowl players on defense.

Based on the performance yesterday and in the second half of the season it can be argued that based on talent, Sutton underachieved with his defense at an historically bad level.

[Rausch]

can't argue with a single word.

it's like, we take this more personally than they do.

Yeah, that's it...

[rabblerouser]

Sutton has 5 Pro Bowl players on defense to work with.

For a comparison the 2000 Baltimore Ravens had 3 Pro Bowl players on defense.

Based on the performance yesterday and in the second half of the season it can be argued that based on talent, Sutton underachieved with his defense at an historically bad level.

Yet I'm sure he still cashes the checks on his way home to wherever he's from.

[Rausch]

Because we take retreads for players and coaches. And at this point, that's all that will work for the Hunts. They'll all talk differently, they'll claim we don't know what we're talking about (yawn!!), they won't explain how this could be like this since 1969 (or the last 20 years), they'll call for calm (again), but we all know that's because they're "keeping to a code" (especially the national press who can't be honest [or they'll face the rage of the NFL machine]), and holding back the honesty because it won't be good for the league.

Let's face it, football or baseball, "KC" is simply a cash-cow for some out-of-staters, and they don't care about wins or championships... We are either a pretty decent recurring paycheck (that takes nothing to turn a profit on), a cruel experiment for small-market sports teams, or both. Either way, this city is ****ed!

How the fuck you think this has anything to do with ownership is beyond me...

[GloryDayz]

can't argue with a single word.

it's like, we take this more personally than they do.

I'm sure they don't. They aren't fans, they're employees at some level (owner, coach or player) so their loyalty goes no farther than the almighty green-back, and they're rewarded with the almighty green-back for just going with the WWFL's grand plan.

There's no need for them to take it personally, I'm sure they surround themselves with people who will simply be nice to them because they are part of the NFL. I'd love to have Clark join my Monday conference calls and listen to the recurring (year in and year out) ribbing Chefs fans endure. But why would he? He'll be on a beach in Fiji, hos players on a beach in some other vacation destination, and we're left to endure the jokes.

I used to travel very proudly with my Chefs gear on, but anymore that's not the case. I've had two deals that made me laugh, but were funny anyway.. Know this (not that you can find them anymore) I have a white "Chiefs" button-collar, lonf-sleaved "dress shirt". Just keep that in mind..

1) On a flight back form Dallas to KC, because the shirt might look a little like a shirt you'd see on a team rep, I was asked if i was part of the Chiefs organization. I said "no", just a fan. The reply was, "Heck, I wouldn't admit to it either - they'll always find a way to lose." LOL!!!

2) Walking between gates in O'Hare, a person tells me that, "whatever I paid for the shirt, I paid too much". Wow!!!

Between that and having to deal with people all over the country everyday, it's kind of tough being a Chefs fan because, in the end, you know they're right, we will blow it, we will lose, and I paid too much for the shirt.

Now I'll lead in with the Chefs jokes instead of defending them. I'll do whatever I can to counter the jokes that will come mainly from the Denver-based folks, but this week will certainly add the Indy-based folks to the pointing and laughing. And it would bother me as much if I didn't know in my heart that the franchise won't fix this, but they won't. They'll make a few changes but the same result will happen next year.

But look at how many of our players will get to go to Hawaii!!! Yeah, that's just funny! All it means is that they pro-bowl means even less that we might have ever thought.

[notorious]

It would suck to lose a game like that, but go home to a mansion and millions of dollars in the bank.


Terrible, just terrible.

[GloryDayz]

How the fuck you think this has anything to do with ownership is beyond me...

They've been setting the tone since 1969.

And I get your point, they don't play, they just own... But at some point, they're the only common link to some 45 years of fail. And just because Clark is new, that doesn't mean much to me. He's a Hunt, and he's Hunt trained, that means winning doesn't mean "everything". Sure, he makes a change here and a change there, but in the end his changes don't do what they should. And from 2-14 to 11-5 is a scam of epic proportion, so I don't buy that. The Chefs were called scams all year, and as it turns out they are. Just like every other year... So he fired Pioli (after being pressured into it), brought in a retread "big name" coach and bought himself a few years of progressive excuses (just like always), and we got what we deserved - another year without a playoff win (even if we made the playoffs). And at this point I'm sure if we have any good players they are quietly asking their agents what options they have. If JC isn't looking for something that either let's him play for a better franchise or get paid a mountain of gold he's nuts.

So it's a tone set by the first family more than anything. And they're welcome to move the team if they wish - I fully support the city letting them out of their lease. I'm sure L.A. wants them and will welcome them with open arms. At this point, I'd rather not have the temptation of a team in my county! I can root for them (if) from KC just fine, and if I decide to go to a game, I'll at least be able to enjoy some awesome weather while watching the loss.

[GloryDayz]

It would suck to lose a game like that, but go home to a mansion and millions of dollars in the bank.


Terrible, just terrible.

This....

[notorious]

LMAO

I just read the thread title as "Fire Bomb Sutton"


I think this is a viable option.

[rabblerouser]

They've been setting the tone since 1969.

And I get your point, they don't play, they just own... But at some point, they're the only common link to some 45 years of fail. And just because Clark is new, that doesn't mean much to me. He's a Hunt, and he's Hunt trained, that means winning doesn't mean "everything". Sure, he makes a change here and a change there, but in the end his changes don't do what they should. And from 2-14 to 11-5 is a scam of epic proportion, so I don't buy that. The Chefs were called scams all year, and as it turns out they are. Just like every other year... So he fired Pioli (after being pressured into it), brought in a retread "big name" coach and bought himself a few years of progressive excuses (just like always), and we got what we deserved - another year without a playoff win (even if we made the playoffs). And at this point I'm sure if we have any good players they are quietly asking their agents what options they have. If JC isn't looking for something that either let's him play for a better franchise or get paid a mountain of gold he's nuts.

So it's a tone set by the first family more than anything. And they're welcome to move the team if they wish - I fully support the city letting them out of their lease. I'm sure L.A. wants them and will welcome them with open arms. At this point, I'd rather not have the temptation of a team in my county! I can root for them (if) from KC just fine, and if I decide to go to a game, I'll at least be able to enjoy some awesome weather while watching the loss.

Spot the **** on.

:clap:

[Rausch]

They've been setting the tone since 1969.

And I get your point, they don't play, they just own... But at some point, they're the only common link to some 45 years of fail.

Clark did everything he could this offseason to change things.

New Coach and GM who report directly to him. No power struggles.

He traded and paid for free agents.

Clark did all he could do and turned it over to the men paid to win.

And they did win. As far as year 1's go it was a success.

There's still plenty of work to do but i don't see how you could have asked more from the owner...

[notorious]

Clark did everything he could this offseason to change things.

New Coach and GM who report directly to him. No power struggles.

He traded and paid for free agents.

Clark did all he could do and turned it over to the men paid to win.

And they did win. As far as year 1's go it was a success.

There's still plenty of work to do but i don't see how you could have asked more from the owner...


If he shit-cans Bob Sutton, and hires Wade Wilson or Horton we will be back on track.

[rabblerouser]

If he shit-cans Bob Sutton, and hires Wade Wilson or Horton we will be back on track.
wait, I thought we were talking defense??

[Rausch]

If he shit-cans Bob Sutton, and hires Wade Wilson or Horton we will be back on track.

How will Wilson fix the defense?...

[KCUnited]

Wilson Phillips would be an upgrade at this point.

[siberian khatru]

LMAO It's good to see some people instantly remember Wade Wilson.

[Jimmya]

Well some Saints fans said the same thing last season with one of the worst defenses in the league. With Rob Ryan they have totally changed the defense.

[notorious]

How will Wilson fix the defense?...

He can't make it any worse.


Defenses get better with him around.

[Jimmya]

http://www.nj.com/super-bowl/index.ssf/2014/01/politi_rob_ryan_has_turned_the_saints_into_a_postseason_contender_again.html

Apparently some believe one good coach can make a huge difference.

[rabblerouser]

Clark did everything he could this offseason to change things.

New Coach and GM who report directly to him. No power struggles.

He traded and paid for free agents.

Clark did all he could do and turned it over to the men paid to win.

And they did win. As far as year 1's go it was a success.

There's still plenty of work to do but i don't see how you could have asked more from the owner...

Well, you're a good fan, and that's exactly the attitude that this year was intended to foster.

Start saving for season tix right now!!

[rabblerouser]

He can't make it any worse.


Defenses get better with him around.

NICE

[Rausch]

Well, you're a good fan, and that's exactly the attitude that this year was intended to foster.


Yes, it was.

I believe we finally have people in place who look at the SB as the goal...

[MahiMike]

Wade Phillips?

There ya go. Or surely one of these freshly fired head coaches that were Peter-principled out of the DC job would work too.

[GordonGekko]

Wilson Phillips would be an upgrade at this point.

:LOL:

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Hell, we could bring Romeo back and we would be much better off (not going to happen obviously). Sutton, just as he did vs. Denver, showed no sack when he saw the opposing QB tearing up his secondary, and would not swallow his pride and blitz.

Also, we CANNOT F*CKING TACKLE. The secondary refuses to wrap up, and some of them can't take an angle whatsoever.

Alex Smith is the guy. Not saying we shouldn't be developing a young guy, we should, but Smith can straight ball when it counts.

I can't even think about the change we need hardly after yesterday. Too hard knowing the defense was smoke & mirrors all along.

[KCBOSS1]

ROMEO

[notorious]

How will Wilson fix the defense?...
wait, I thought we were talking defense??

LMAO It's good to see some people instantly remember Wade Wilson.

NICE


ROFL

I just realized I said "Wade Wilson" instead of "Phillips"

Nice work. :D

[J Diddy]

Well, you're a good fan, and that's exactly the attitude that this year was intended to foster.

Start saving for season tix right now!!

We went from 2-14 to 11-5. In a regular year that would most likely have won the west. This is year 1 of a major overhaul. I would have liked to have won a playoff game and certainly could have lived without the voodoo guy from the Temple of Doom pulling my heart out and showing it to me, but try to keep this in perspective.

We played with good teams and beat the bad. We'll, hopefully, get better.

[rabblerouser]

We went from 2-14 to 11-5. In a regular year that would most likely have won the west. This is year 1 of a major overhaul. I would have liked to have won a playoff game and certainly could have lived without the voodoo guy from the Temple of Doom pulling my heart out and showing it to me, but try to keep this in perspective.

We played with good teams and beat the bad. We'll, hopefully, get better.

we're better than indy.

at least, except at WR and S.

Jesus, I wanted to shake that monkey.

SO BAD

[Down4Chiefs]

you gotta ask should he be fired or do we just need personel? the fact he was so stubborn and unwilling to make any changes,or didn't know how to make adjustments is reason enough to fire him though for me. We may have looked better if we had better secondary but I still believe he would get outcoached regardless because he refuses to change quickly enuff when what he's doing is not working

[rabblerouser]

you gotta ask should he be fired or do we just need personel? the fact he was so stubborn and unwilling to make any changes,or didn't know how to make adjustments is reason enough to fire him though for me. We may have looked better if we had better secondary but I still believe he would get outcoached regardless because he refuses to change quickly enuff when what he's doing is not working

shit, yesterday they look worse in zone than in man.

Lewis and Smith are such dumpster-fire DBs, he may have been like 'fuck it, any adjustments I make, these guys will just fuck it up worse anyway...'

[BigMeatballDave]

I'd be surprised if they fire Sutton.

I do think Berry and Flowers are the only 2 in that secondary that are safe.

[mcaj22]

I'd be surprised if they fire Sutton.

I do think Berry and Flowers are the only 2 in that secondary that are safe.

cut Sean Smith and eat that dead money? I don't think so.

[rabblerouser]

cut Sean Smith and eat that dead money? I don't think so.

trade him for a pack of Pez and a yo-yo.

[mcaj22]

trade him for a pack of Pez and a yo-yo.

I wish. No team is dumb enough to take any of our players in a trade

if they can rope someone in for one of our Fools Gold "Pro Bowlers" just to free up cap I'd do a back flip in happiness. They could trade Tamba, DJ, Flowers for all I care because it doesn't make a difference, I'd rather some new faces.

[bevischief]

LMAO

I just read the thread title as "Fire Bomb Sutton"


I think this is a viable option.

The only option.

[MahiMike]

you gotta ask should he be fired or do we just need personel? the fact he was so stubborn and unwilling to make any changes,or didn't know how to make adjustments is reason enough to fire him though for me. We may have looked better if we had better secondary but I still believe he would get outcoached regardless because he refuses to change quickly enuff when what he's doing is not working

He could have literally knocked Hilton down at LOS and we would have won by 2 TDs.

[rabblerouser]

I wish. No team is dumb enough to take any of our players in a trade

if they can rope someone in for one of our Fools Gold "Pro Bowlers" just to free up cap I'd do a back flip in happiness. They could trade Tamba, DJ, Flowers for all I care because it doesn't make a difference, I'd rather some new faces.

this.

Package a deal for Flowers and JC for all I care at this point.

firebomb the whole dumpster fire.

ya know, for all the talk about Andy Reid and the 'turnaround', not much is TRULY different, ya know?? The only difference is that now the Chiefs are just professional enough to actually beat shitty teams that they SHOULD beat.

I don'r care how many Pro Bowlers they had. Didn't they have 6 last year??

They aren't that far removed from 2-14...

and it shows.

Next year, I'd be surprised if they did any more or less than they did this year. and that's the sad part.

[mcaj22]

the turnaround is because Alex Smith is a smart football player.

the end.

We would have the same turnaround if we also drafted a smart QB. QB is the difference. Not Andy, not Sutton, not Dorsey, not our "Pro Bowlers." It's the QB.

That makes everyone else, expendable. Oh Jamaal Charles was a cool fantasy player and racked up 2000+ yards from scrimmage during the season? Cool, how about what he does in a game that matters? Derrick Johnson got snubbed in the Pro Bowl and All Pro for Vontaze Burfict? Well DJ didn't show up in probably the most important game of his Chiefs career? Tamba Hali and Dwayne Bowe get paid 10+ million this season and that's what a 10 million dollar player does?

[rabblerouser]

the turnaround is because Alex Smith is a smart football player.

the end.

We would have the same turnaround if we also drafted a smart QB. QB is the difference. Not Andy, not Sutton, not Dorsey, not our "Pro Bowlers." It's the QB.

yep.

If Pioli brings in Hasselbeck for 2011, we win the division again that year...

and Todd Haley is still the coach.

[BigCatDaddy]

the turnaround is because Alex Smith is a smart football player.

the end.

We would have the same turnaround if we also drafted a smart QB. QB is the difference. Not Andy, not Sutton, not Dorsey, not our "Pro Bowlers." It's the QB.

That makes everyone else, expendable. Oh Jamaal Charles was a cool fantasy player and racked up 2000+ yards from scrimmage during the season? Cool, how about what he does in a game that matters? Derrick Johnson got snubbed in the Pro Bowl and All Pro for Vontaze Burfict? Well DJ didn't show up in probably the most important game of his Chiefs career? Tamba Hali and Dwayne Bowe get paid 10+ million this season and that's what a 10 million dollar player does?

Reid's offense is a real plus IMO to.

[WhiteWhale]

I've already said that sleeping on it didn't help..... And now they're embarrassing MY city, so **** them and their fragile emotions. Like Hunt, they'll all be out of here soon enough (even if they have homes here), but they aren't from KC, the owner doesn't even live here, and the rest are only here as long as the money flows in so I don't think they can care.

**** them all (in the asshole with a splintered telephone pole)... pillowbiters!

Get a grip dude. It's a football game.

The rest of you who are all "package our best players and rebuild from scratch" are outright fucking retarded.

Stop flailing your arms like children. The loss hurt. If you're still raging about it, you need to grow up.

[rabblerouser]

Reid's offense is a real plus IMO to.

it is when he plays situational football.

I think most any offensive system can be successful, given that coaches understand what their players are (and aren't) good at, attack the opposing d's weaknesses and make good adjustments.

it's not the system per se, but how it's applied that's effective.

Both Mooch and Marty Morningwheg failed in Detroit with the closest variant to Reid's version of the WCO, fwiw.

[mcaj22]

Reid's offense is a real plus IMO to.

so Dick Vermeil part II until proven otherwise.

[WhiteWhale]

it is when he plays situational football.

I think most any offensive system can be successful, given that coaches understand what their players are (and aren't) good at, attack the opposing d's weaknesses and make good adjustments.

it's not the system per se, but how it's applied that's effective.

Both Mooch and Marty Morningwheg failed in Detroit with the closest variant to Reid's version of the WCO, fwiw.

I think the failures in detroit might have been influenced by the terrible team Matt Millen built and the QB he forced on both of those coaches (Harrington). Morningwheg was outright opposed to Harrington, but Millen forced him on his coach anyway. It's a total straw-man.

[rabblerouser]

Get a grip dude. It's a football game.

The rest of you who are all "package our best players and rebuild from scratch" are outright ****ing retarded.

Stop flailing your arms like children. The loss hurt. If you're still raging about it, you need to grow up.

**** you, I want a super bowl victory. Anything less is an outright failure at this point.

I thought I just wanted a playoff win to get the monkey off my back, but...**** that; I want a Goddamn Super Bowl win. And Andy Reid...is what he is. Marty Schottenheimer Pt. II - a guy who can win reg season games out the ASS, maybe even a playoff game or two. He could take us to 4 straight Afc championship games, even a Super Bowl appearance.

But he is what his record says he is. He did the same thing here this year, that he has done for the past 15 years in Philly or whatever. He's gonna keep us respectable and competitive, sell lots of tickets and keep red-and-gold clad asses in the seats...

but is he really the guy to take us to the Promised Land?? I don't care what his GOALS are; history says he is not.

[BigCatDaddy]

so Dick Vermeil part II until proven otherwise.

No. I'm talking Andy the OC. Vermeil never called one play. I think going from grandpa Muir to Andy is huge no pun intended.

[rabblerouser]

I think the failures in detroit might have been influenced by the terrible team Matt Millen built and the QB he forced on both of those coaches (Harrington). Morningwheg was outright opposed to Harrington, but Millen forced him on his coach anyway. It's a total straw-man.

That's my point; it depends more on the situation and how the system is applied more than exactly what system is being used.

[rabblerouser]

so Dick Vermeil part II until proven otherwise.

no.

Dick won a Super Bowl in his previous stop.

Andy's big claim to fame is 4 straight Nfc championship APPEARANCES, a few division titles and a lone Super Bowl appearance.

not exactly HOF-caliber stuff so far, really, as a body of work.

Kinda like Marty.

[mcaj22]

yea but it's still an "offensive minded coach with terrible defenses"

same shit different color, that is all.

[rabblerouser]

yea but it's still an "offensive minded coach with terrible defenses"

same shit different color, that is all.

Andy Reid=Marty Vermeil!!!

Or Dick Schottenheimer...

yeah, I like that better.

[BigCatDaddy]

so Dick Vermeil part II until proven otherwise.

yea but it's still an "offensive minded coach with terrible defenses"

same shit different color, that is all.

Right. I think it pointed out when he hired he struggled without Jim Johnson as DC. We just need to find our Jim Johnson. I think Philips could be that guy. Sutton is more Castillo.

[mcaj22]

Right. I think it pointed out when he hired he struggled without Jim Johnson as DC. We just need to find out Jim Johnson. I think Philips could be that guy. Sutton is more Castillo.

he also fired a young Sean McDermott who now is the coordinator of one of the best defenses in the NFL in the Panthers.

The point is, Andy doesn't know a good or bad defensive coordinator since Jim Johnson if it slapped him in the face. He just fires everyone, and then gets a shittier one to replace them.

[rabblerouser]

Right. I think it pointed out when he hired he struggled without Jim Johnson as DC. We just need to find our Jim Johnson. I think Philips could be that guy. Sutton is more Castillo.

But Reid is literally loyal to a fault. Ot probably cost him his job in Philly.

[mcaj22]

he is loyal until he has to throw people under the bus. He threw a lot of people under the bus those last couple years in Philly.

But then again, these aren't "the last years" here and he probably has a huge leash from Clark. Clark is loyal to fault and will keep Reid way passed his expiration date. (see: Clarks loyalty for Fat Scooter)

[BigCatDaddy]

Right. That's why I pointed out in another thread that could be a huge flaw in giving a HC too much power such as in the current system the Chiefs use. This is where a GM/Owner should step in and say sorry but your pal isn't going to cut it, Andy.

[rabblerouser]

he is loyal until he has to throw people under the bus. He threw a lot of people under the bus those last couple years in Philly.

But then again, these aren't "the last years" here and he probably has a huge leash from Clark. Clark is loyal to fault and will keep Reid way passed his expiration date. (see: Clarks loyalty for Fat Scooter)

just like his daddy with Steadman and Peterson before him.

and I firmly believe that, if not for the (justified) uproar from fans, ol' Pudgy Scoot would still be calling One Arrowhead Dr. his work address.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

http://www.kcchiefs.com/live-press-conference.html

Andy about to talk.

[rabblerouser]

http://www.kcchiefs.com/live-press-conference.html

Andy about to talk.

they'll have to remove the Beef-And-A-Half from his mouth first.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Bob Fescoe ‏@bobfescoe 21s
Reid: no team stays the same players or coaches #chiefs

[notorious]

Bob Fescoe ‏@bobfescoe 21s
Reid: no team stays the same players or coaches #chiefs


If this happens and we hire a proven D Coordinator my enthusiasm will be rejuvenated.

[BigCatDaddy]

If this happens and we hire a proven D Coordinator my enthusiasm will be rejuvenated.

That sound like coach speak to me. I wouldn't read much into it.

Lose a bet?

[notorious]

Lose a bet?

I can't say.

[GloryDayz]

you gotta ask should he be fired or do we just need personel? the fact he was so stubborn and unwilling to make any changes,or didn't know how to make adjustments is reason enough to fire him though for me. We may have looked better if we had better secondary but I still believe he would get outcoached regardless because he refuses to change quickly enuff when what he's doing is not working

The man is full-on gay! If he were in prison he'd infect the whole place and not even get a pack of smokes in the process. and I don't think you should confuse stubborn with just being old and stupid... Just like the OC, he's football dumb! And they CAN'T claim injuries at this point, or rust, their team just sucks! And while you might argue that Hali, Houston and Poe are better at "football" (given their positions) than the fags in the secondary, it's like comparing IQs in the SPED room at this point.

So they can take their dreadlocks, visors, elbow scrunchies and neck-slice gestures to Hawaii/Cancun/Moma's kitchen then come back to town, get their shit and then GET THE FUCK OUT OF TOWN. Fags! And don't come back for anything like charity events, we residents have it covered JUST FINE! Go down to Texas and gangbang one of Hunts whores!

And Hali can head back to Sandy Eggo and jump on his little ball again. Perhaps he can just stay there and get hurt! Fucker!

[GloryDayz]

Bob Fescoe ‏@bobfescoe 21s
Reid: no team stays the same players or coaches #chiefs

Fuck him too! Let's not forget, as I found out, HE TOO was making his share of fucked-up decisions calling the plays on O too, so maybe he should consider his own fat-ass, moob, mega-gut self in the group who can get the fuck out!

[chiefzilla1501]

Here's the big problem... for me.

The scheme in the first half, wasn't bad. Sutton made adjustments based on Luck's play in the first half. He was making some interesting rotations, including throwing Catapano and Bailey out there, rotating in Cooper and Abdullah.

For some reason, and I don't know if it was Reid's suggestion or Sutton (I'm going to pin this on Sutton), we stopped doing what was working and we went into an ultra-conservative defense with the same 4 rushers, and a vanilla coverage scheme. This wasn't about lack of adjustment. This is about, for some dumb reason, completely refusing to use what was working. And worse, even when it was clear the game was slipping away a little bit, we continued to stop with the attack.

I don't think I will ever understand what the fuck made us stop what we were doing.

[GloryDayz]

Here's the big problem... for me.

The scheme in the first half, wasn't bad. Sutton made adjustments based on Luck's play in the first half. He was making some interesting rotations, including throwing Catapano and Bailey out there, rotating in Cooper and Abdullah.

For some reason, and I don't know if it was Reid's suggestion or Sutton (I'm going to pin this on Sutton), we stopped doing what was working and we went into an ultra-conservative defense with the same 4 rushers, and a vanilla coverage scheme. This wasn't about lack of adjustment. This is about, for some dumb reason, completely refusing to use what was working. And worse, even when it was clear the game was slipping away a little bit, we continued to stop with the attack.

I don't think I will ever understand what the fuck made us stop what we were doing.

We did rotate a little bit, but not nearly enough to keep our players fresh, and then Indy caught onto it, and went into the no huddle for more than just being down by 28.

We simple always get out-coached...

[Sorter]

Fucking Sutton benched Catapano after his encroachment penalty.

[chiefzilla1501]

We did rotate a little bit, but not nearly enough to keep our players fresh, and then Indy caught onto it, and went into the no huddle for more than just being down by 28.

We simple always get out-coached...

The lack of rotations didn't hurt us nearly as much as the ridiculously over-conservative second half defense.

[notorious]

****ing Sutton benched Catapano after his encroachment penalty.

Yet Kendrick is left out there to fuck up over and over.

[GloryDayz]

The lack of rotations didn't hurt us nearly as much as the ridiculously over-conservative second half defense.

Agreed. But he's a mental midget and he's Andy's "guy", so we're going to see if for at least another year. And he's an old dog, so I doubt he'll change. He's Greg Robinson's other half, so expect the dumbness to keep coming...

[dirk digler]

Here's the big problem... for me.

The scheme in the first half, wasn't bad. Sutton made adjustments based on Luck's play in the first half. He was making some interesting rotations, including throwing Catapano and Bailey out there, rotating in Cooper and Abdullah.

For some reason, and I don't know if it was Reid's suggestion or Sutton (I'm going to pin this on Sutton), we stopped doing what was working and we went into an ultra-conservative defense with the same 4 rushers, and a vanilla coverage scheme. This wasn't about lack of adjustment. This is about, for some dumb reason, completely refusing to use what was working. And worse, even when it was clear the game was slipping away a little bit, we continued to stop with the attack.

I don't think I will ever understand what the fuck made us stop what we were doing.

Goodell called down to Reid and told him to lose the game since it is all fixed..duh /half of stupid CP posters

[Sorter]

Yet Kendrick is left out there to fuck up over and over.

I seriously don't fucking understand.



I just don't.

[KCBOSS1]

Robinson and Lewis should be left in Indianapolis

this

[KCBOSS1]

Lewis played much better under ROMEO. He's been terrible the whole year. But most of the secondary... Cooper, Robinson, Smith... all liabilities. They got torched the entire last half of the year.

[Jimmya]

How long after the playoff loss did Vermeil wait to fire Robinson?

[rabblerouser]

Goodell called down to Reid and told him to lose the game since it is all fixed..duh /half of stupid CP posters
every game and every call isn't fixed...

but with all the money from sponsors and TV BILLIONS...in a game, owned by billionaires, you'd be foolish to think that calls and games aren't manipulated to make sure the 'right' teams get in.

1997 springs immediately to mind.

shit, maybe '95 too, when I think about it.

[jspchief]

How long after the playoff loss did Vermeil wait to fire Robinson?

Robinson resigned a few days after the loss.

[rabblerouser]

How long after the playoff loss did Vermeil wait to fire Robinson?

it doesn't matter - Sutton isn't going anywhere unless he leaves for another job or he 'retires'...

[GloryDayz]

Goodell called down to Reid and told him to lose the game since it is all fixed..duh /half of stupid CP posters

LOL, they didn't need to call anybody, they just knew it was Andy, and Andy will fail like like a fully wound Rolex. Add to it that they knew we had Sutton, they knew they never needed a phone.

[mnchiefsguy]

Robinson resigned a few days after the loss.

I remember Vermeil crying about it..literally.