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Mr. Flopnuts
01-06-2014, 11:35 AM
Just like it says. Would you give Alex a 5-6 year deal for somewhere between $50-$65 million to keep him as our franchise QB right now, today?

As hard as this place has been on him, I'm curious where we're at after watching him progress through the season, and play IMO, his best game ever last Saturday.

ShowtimeSBMVP
01-06-2014, 11:36 AM
He wouldn't take that deal. I would love that deal.

Molitoth
01-06-2014, 11:36 AM
Nope.

hometeam
01-06-2014, 11:36 AM
no.

Mr_Tomahawk
01-06-2014, 11:36 AM
no

J Diddy
01-06-2014, 11:37 AM
Decent signing bonus. Incentive laden deal.

jd1020
01-06-2014, 11:37 AM
Fuck no... too many years.

Mr. Flopnuts
01-06-2014, 11:37 AM
He wouldn't take that deal. I would love that deal.

Why do you say that? I've always thought of Alex as a team player, that would take a few less bucks to help field a competitive team cap wise. Curious if you know something I don't.

Mr. Flopnuts
01-06-2014, 11:38 AM
P.S - While I know it's probably not popular opinion, I'd do it today. And if you think I'm some true fan or have held this kind of opinion before, you don't know me. At all.

mcaj22
01-06-2014, 11:38 AM
Why do you say that? I've always thought of Alex as a team player, that would take a few less bucks to help field a competitive team cap wise. Curious if you know something I don't.

yea, the year he tried to get the 49ers and the Dolphins in the bidding war, the year we could have signed him for free without giving up two picks. The year Harbaugh got an interview with Peyton to scare Alex and have him coming running back on a cheap deal just to have a starting spot. The year nobody wanted him as a free agent.

That year. He will want to cash in now, his last "big contract"

Mr_Tomahawk
01-06-2014, 11:38 AM
The options suck.

Yes I would resign him...but I would not offer him a Cassel contract.

ShowtimeSBMVP
01-06-2014, 11:39 AM
Why do you say that? I've always thought of Alex as a team player, that would take a few less bucks to help field a competitive team cap wise. Curious if you know something I don't.

I just think the Jay Cutler deal fucked us.

Dayze
01-06-2014, 11:40 AM
no

Wallcrawler
01-06-2014, 11:42 AM
Too late in his career for that many years. He's got about 2-3 solid seasons left, you start the search now for someone to bring along behind him.

His game is going to decline as he ages. That taking off and running, absorbing hits like he does, that doesn't help your longevity in this league. His mobility is a huge part of his game, and he's already lost his job to injury once.

2-3 year extension, begin looking for someone to groom behind him now.

Sandy Vagina
01-06-2014, 11:43 AM
Looks like a pretty fair contract, and your options only leave me with one option.. yes.

Hopefully, KC could leave themselves "an out" after the first 2 or 3 years.. but I don't think even that will be necessary.

mcaj22
01-06-2014, 11:43 AM
they should probably wait until after next season

cause if they are horrible/mediocre next season (there's a chance, tough schedule) they can just part ways and draft a QB/find someone new.

Mr. Flopnuts
01-06-2014, 11:44 AM
Too late in his career for that many years. He's got about 2-3 solid seasons left, you start the search now for someone to bring along behind him.

His game is going to decline as he ages. That taking off and running, absorbing hits like he does, that doesn't help your longevity in this league. His mobility is a huge part of his game, and he's already lost his job to injury once.

2-3 year extension, begin looking for someone to groom behind him now.

He's 29. :spock:

Mr. Flopnuts
01-06-2014, 11:44 AM
The options suck.

Yes I would resign him...but I would not offer him a Cassel contract.

Fair enough. I'll edit the poll.

Sandy Vagina
01-06-2014, 11:46 AM
they should probably wait until after next season

cause if they are horrible/mediocre next season (there's a chance, tough schedule) they can just part ways and draft a QB/find someone new.

It's risky... Many will think and probably be right that Alex and the offense will be even better in 2014. Adding a good WR... getting Kelce back healthy, or even adding another athletic TE... the OL having a full offseason to gel... maybe even adding a 3rd/4th rd OL...

Jakemall
01-06-2014, 11:49 AM
Too late in his career for that many years. He's got about 2-3 solid seasons left, you start the search now for someone to bring along behind him.

His game is going to decline as he ages. That taking off and running, absorbing hits like he does, that doesn't help your longevity in this league. His mobility is a huge part of his game, and he's already lost his job to injury once.

2-3 year extension, begin looking for someone to groom behind him now.

You realize he's 29, right?

Hog's Gone Fishin
01-06-2014, 11:50 AM
I definitely would. Unless you fucktards want to bring in Josh Freeman when the Vikings cut his ass.

Bearcat
01-06-2014, 11:51 AM
2-3 year extension, begin looking for someone to groom behind him now.

This. I think his play was encouraging enough to stick around a few more years and to see what he can do with another playmaker or two. The reality is he only won one game vs a playoff team and it was in September, but they were at least competitive.

Discuss Thrower
01-06-2014, 11:52 AM
Didn't see the third option, but the only reason to re-sign him to a long contract unless it was made explicitly clear that he's keeping the seat warm for a true QBotF.

That being said, they might as well just tag the guy each time he's in a contract year until the wheels come off. The team's going to need a full-on rebuild by 2017 anyway.

jd1020
01-06-2014, 11:52 AM
You realize he's 29, right?

29 and mediocre/injured his entire career.

He's not elite. You don't give someone like Alex 5-6 year extensions at this stage in their career.

3 years max. That gives him the next 4 years to put up or shut up and plenty of time for the Chiefs to have 2 young guns duking it out to come in and be the guy, cut Daniel tomorrow.

Jakemall
01-06-2014, 11:52 AM
5-6 year deal for somewhere between $50-$65 million is monetarily an above average deal for a starting NFL QB.

He's making 9 million now and that's ranked 17th? I think at 13 million a year you're around 8-10th?

I think he'd do this and it would benefit the Chiefs as well. Half way though the contract he'd be close to average again with the increasing incomes of QBs and players of the NFL.

Mr. Flopnuts
01-06-2014, 11:53 AM
IMO Alex played like a FRANCHISE QB coming down the stretch, and that playoff game was the stuff of legend. Unfortunately, Luck's legend was considerably bigger that day. We have our guy. Now pay the man.

cosmo20002
01-06-2014, 11:53 AM
Just like it says. Would you give Alex a 5-6 year deal for somewhere between $50-$65 million to keep him as our franchise QB right now, today?

As hard as this place has been on him, I'm curious where we're at after watching him progress through the season, and play IMO, his best game ever last Saturday.

Need more info such as guaranteed $. I'm not sure that the length of these contracts ever mean anything since you can always cut the guy. 5 years for $50M is probably a decent deal for a solid starting QB these days though.

Mr. Flopnuts
01-06-2014, 11:54 AM
5-6 year deal for somewhere between $50-$65 million is monetarily an above average deal for a starting NFL QB.

He's making 9 million now and that's ranked 17th? I think at 13 million a year you're around 8-10th?

I think he'd do this and it would benefit the Chiefs as well.

That was my exact thinking in terms of years, and money on that deal.

ShowtimeSBMVP
01-06-2014, 11:54 AM
29 and mediocre/injured his entire career.

He's not elite. You don't give someone like Alex 5-6 year extensions at this stage in their career.

3 years max. That gives him the next 4 years to put up or shut up and plenty of time for the Chiefs to have 2 young guns duking it out to come in and be the guy, cut Daniel tomorrow.

:facepalm:

Jakemall
01-06-2014, 11:55 AM
Need more info such as guaranteed $. I'm not sure that the length of these contracts ever mean anything since you can always cut the guy. 5 years for $50M is probably a decent deal for a solid starting QB these days though.

5 years 50 is is 10 mil a year...basically what he's already making.

mcaj22
01-06-2014, 11:55 AM
the problem is Jay Cutler got 100 million, Tony Romo got 100 million, Joe Flacco got a 100 million

and these guys fucking suck. Alex Smith can say, yo I'm better than these guys on paper.

ShowtimeSBMVP
01-06-2014, 11:56 AM
Do you put Alex Smith in the Jay Cutler league? I do and that deal is gonna fuck us.

ShowtimeSBMVP
01-06-2014, 11:57 AM
the problem is Jay Cutler got 100 million, Tony Romo got 100 million, Joe Flacco got a 100 million

and these guys ****ing suck. Alex Smith can say, yo I'm better than these guys on paper.

100% This and if Alex Smith Agent takes a 5y 50m deal he wont be a agent for many players.

mcaj22
01-06-2014, 11:57 AM
yea if you like Alex Smith you can't sit here and try and lowball his contract, that's like de-complimenting him. There is no scenario I see trying to get him cheap. What is your argument to him?

Yo we dont think you are as good as Jay Cutler, so here's 60 million?

Alex would say fuck off.

mcaj22
01-06-2014, 11:59 AM
Alex could make the argument he's the best player on the entire roster, too.

BossChief
01-06-2014, 11:59 AM
If he would sign a carbon copy of Cassels deal, I'd applaud the move.

The progress we have seen from him over the course of his first year in a system he should blow up in year 2 and 3 of has been exceptional...no question we should lock him up ASAP.

Mr. Flopnuts
01-06-2014, 11:59 AM
To anyone who says he's getting long in the tooth, he's 3 fucking years older than Kaepernick. He's a year younger than Aaron Rodgers. He's not even 30.

Mama Hip Rockets
01-06-2014, 11:59 AM
He's proven he can play well in big games. That's all I've ever asked for.

Mr. Laz
01-06-2014, 12:00 PM
yep, because a deal like that gives you the ability to keep him or cut him in any given year.


With all these 100 million dollar deals flying around to non-elite level guys, locking a guy like Alex Smith up to keep your options open would be a good move.

notorious
01-06-2014, 12:01 PM
Sure.

We are not going to find a better QB than what we have.

The Franchise
01-06-2014, 12:02 PM
Damnt....I picked the 2nd option when I meant to pick the third.

Eleazar
01-06-2014, 12:02 PM
That would be cheap for a top-third starting QB.

Mr. Flopnuts
01-06-2014, 12:03 PM
Nobody is going to give Alex $100 million. Nobody. And he couldn't even cement himself as a starter before coming to KC, and finally finding someone who wanted him. I think he'd definitely sign a 4-5 year extension right now for Cassel like money, because it is enough time for him to establish that he really IS a franchise QB, and not the 1st round bust he was thought of up until Harbaugh came rolling into SF. It also still gives him time to sign 1 more 5 year deal worth $100 million at that time. I think he'd take 5 for $60 right now, and be happy with it.

The question is, would you?

mcaj22
01-06-2014, 12:03 PM
i think he's getting 100 million or close to that no matter how you slice it

Eleazar
01-06-2014, 12:04 PM
He'll end up with something like 5/80

ShowtimeSBMVP
01-06-2014, 12:04 PM
i think he's getting 100 million or close to that no matter how you slice it

Yup

Mr. Flopnuts
01-06-2014, 12:04 PM
Damnt....I picked the 2nd option when I meant to pick the third.

That's cool, what would you offer him?

BossChief
01-06-2014, 12:05 PM
yea if you like Alex Smith you can't sit here and try and lowball his contract, that's like de-complimenting him. There is no scenario I see trying to get him cheap. What is your argument to him?

Yo we dont think you are as good as Jay Cutler, so here's 60 million?

Alex would say **** off.

I don't think Alex Smith looks at the financial part of this deal the same as other quarterbacks.

The guy gives a shitton of his money to charity, signed a team friendly deal to stay the starter in SF after taking his team to the NFC championship game, has actually given money back to the team in restructures and is a PURE team first guy.

While I don't think he would sign for 10/yr...I do think he would sign for something around 12-14.

He knows there aren't many places he can go that has the opportunity to start as well as a coaching staff that would use him the way Andy will.

The guy made a sick amount of money already and seems to want to win at this point of his career...he will be 30 in may.

jd1020
01-06-2014, 12:05 PM
i think he's getting 100 million or close to that no matter how you slice it

Whats your argument for giving him $100m?

"LOL!LO!L!O!L look at Flacco?"

Ya look at Flacco. He got his money after getting a ring.

The Franchise
01-06-2014, 12:05 PM
That's cool, what would you offer him?

I've got no problem with the money aspect....I just think 6 years is a little much. If we do give him a new contract....I don't think he'll hit $100 million. He'll probably be closer to $80-$90 million.

Jimmya
01-06-2014, 12:05 PM
Wait until the very end to do it. It gives time for more evaluation.

mcaj22
01-06-2014, 12:06 PM
Whats your argument for giving him $100m?

"LOL!LO!L!O!L look at Flacco?"

Ya look at Flacco. He got his money after getting a ring.

I'm the GM, Alex Smith has he leverage/argument for 100m not me.

I don't want him at that price, but if Alex Smith has a smart agent, that's the price to keep him.

Why wouldn't it be? It's not 2008 anymore where you can lock a guy up for 5/60 like Matt Cassel.

ShowtimeSBMVP
01-06-2014, 12:06 PM
Whats your argument for giving him $100m?

"LOL!LO!L!O!L look at Flacco?"

Ya look at Flacco. He got his money after getting a ring.

Romo and Cutler say hi. Alex can make the case he's better then both them.

Easy 6
01-06-2014, 12:06 PM
We need to lock him up for atleast three years and hope that he understands that the more he gets, the less we have to field a complete team around him.

I'm betting he'll be reasonable in exchange for the peace of mind that comes with knowing he wont be kicked to the curb after an injury, that he is, in fact, The Man in KC.

jd1020
01-06-2014, 12:07 PM
Romo and Cutler say hi. Alex can make the case he's better then both them.

It would take 6 years for Alex to catch Romo in TD passes if Romo retired today and they've been playing for the same amount of years.

BossChief
01-06-2014, 12:07 PM
Alex could make the argument he's the best player on the entire roster, too.

ROFL

ShowtimeSBMVP
01-06-2014, 12:08 PM
It would take 6 years for Alex to catch Romo in TD passes if Romo retired today and they've been playing for the same amount of years.

Alex can make the case he's better then them.

ThaVirus
01-06-2014, 12:08 PM
Alex could make the argument he's the best player on the entire roster, too.

Are you high?

mcaj22
01-06-2014, 12:09 PM
ROFL

is there someone better? Last I checked the rest of these guys can't win shit without Alex Smith.

Eleazar
01-06-2014, 12:09 PM
It's not 2008 anymore where you can lock a guy up for 5/60 like Matt Cassel.

That's why Alex will get a bigger deal than Cassel did. That was the going rate for a starting QB 5 years ago.

jd1020
01-06-2014, 12:09 PM
Alex can make the case he's better then them.

You can make a case for anything, doesn't mean you win that case.

Cutler is his best argument and then you can argue that Cutler doesn't deserve that money.

Bearcat
01-06-2014, 12:12 PM
the problem is Jay Cutler got 100 million, Tony Romo got 100 million, Joe Flacco got a 100 million

and these guys ****ing suck. Alex Smith can say, yo I'm better than these guys on paper.

As far as Romo and Cutler, watching other teams make that kind of mistake doesn't mean the Chiefs should do the same. If Smith actually wins something, then sure, lock him up and write a blank check.

Mr. Flopnuts
01-06-2014, 12:12 PM
That's why Alex will get a bigger deal than Cassel did. That was the going rate for a starting QB 5 years ago.

That's a really good point. That deal is over 5 years old. I'd like to think Alex is team player enough to do it, but I wouldn't blame him a bit if he wasn't. These guys are out to get what they can, while they can.

ShowtimeSBMVP
01-06-2014, 12:13 PM
You can make a case for anything, doesn't mean you win that case.

Cutler is his best argument and then you can argue that Cutler doesn't deserve that money.

What has Stafford done to earn that coin? Matt Ryan ? Cutler ? Romo ? Even Matt Schaub got 4 y 62m. It's the going rate and Alex will get a 80 to 100m deal from someone.

The Franchise
01-06-2014, 12:14 PM
That's a really good point. That deal is over 5 years old. I'd like to think Alex is team player enough to do it, but I wouldn't blame him a bit if he wasn't. These guys are out to get what they can, while they can.

I think the Chiefs and Smith will come to a deal that works for both sides. Smith knows that he doesn't want to go out there and do this all again. The Chiefs know that they don't want to go into next season with a question mark at QB.

OrtonsPiercedTaint
01-06-2014, 12:14 PM
The cost of living is the only angle they got. He can probably get a mansion in Kansas for the price of a condo in San Fran LOL

jd1020
01-06-2014, 12:14 PM
What has Stafford done to earn that coin? Matt Ryan ? Cutler ? Romo ? Even Matt Schaub got 4 y 62m. It's the going rate and Alex will get a 80 to 100m deal from someone.

Hope it aint the Chiefs.

Would like to think this team is at least smart enough to not cripple themselves like the Ravens or Bears for someone like Alex Smith.

cosmo20002
01-06-2014, 12:15 PM
5 years 50 is is 10 mil a year...basically what he's already making.

Well, there you go. 5 years at $50 probably isn't even an option for the Chiefs. He didn't do anything this year to diminish his value, that's for sure.
I'm no expert on how these things wok against the cap, but I know the years don't actually mean much and these guys can be cut basically anytime. But at 29 years old, 5 years for a QB isn't that long. He could still be good at 34.

Basically, he's not a superstar and people will be against re-signing for that reason. But you gotta play someone until you find the superstar.

ShowtimeSBMVP
01-06-2014, 12:16 PM
Hope it aint the Chiefs.

Would like to think this team is at least smart enough to not cripple themselves like the Ravens or Bears for someone like Alex Smith.

Well it's gonna happen.

notorious
01-06-2014, 12:16 PM
15 a year for 5.

Give him a 5 million dollar bonus for a playoff win.


Mother fucker will end up playing iron-man football to get his money. LMAO

cosmo20002
01-06-2014, 12:17 PM
5 years 50 is is 10 mil a year...basically what he's already making.

Yeah, I didn't realize that when I posted that. In that case, 5 years at $50M isn't even an option. He didn't do anything this year to diminish his value, that's for sure.

I'm no expert on how these things work against the cap, but I know the years don't actually mean much and these guys can be cut basically anytime. But at 29 years old, 5 years for a QB isn't that long. He could still be good at 33.

Basically, he's not a superstar and people will be against re-signing for that reason. But you gotta play someone until you find the superstar.

threebag
01-06-2014, 12:18 PM
A poll like this smokes the idiots out.

l4z4rd
01-06-2014, 12:20 PM
He'll end up with something like 5/80

yeah. He'll most likely get somewhere around $15M/yr.

Shag
01-06-2014, 12:22 PM
The fact that the Chiefs refuse to draft a high round QB makes extending him a lot more palatable. In my mind, it's either extend Smith, or find a new retread in a few seasons - I'll take Smith, given those options. The "draft a QB" guys are pissing into the wind - history shows it's not going to happen, even though that would be my personal preference.

So, by that logic, I say extend him.

TheUte
01-06-2014, 12:26 PM
He wont be taking any thing short of 5 years. I bet he lets KC get things in order Cap wise before signing anything.

Seems like he wants to do one thing and it is prove SF fucked up.
So that means building a team and winning.
No way he asks for Cutler money, he wants to win too much.

notorious
01-06-2014, 12:26 PM
He did exactly what this board has been craving for decades.


Keep him, and draft a QB every year from here on out and hope we luck into a replacement or at least trade material.

Old Dog
01-06-2014, 12:30 PM
I'm FAR from a Smith nut hugger, but if he'll do 5/62.5 you do it ASAP IMO

Sandy Vagina
01-06-2014, 12:31 PM
That's a really good point. That deal is over 5 years old. I'd like to think Alex is team player enough to do it, but I wouldn't blame him a bit if he wasn't. These guys are out to get what they can, while they can.

If there was ever a QB to buck the trend of greed and ego, it is Alex Smith. I too am not sure of what he would find acceptable... but I do agree with others that team success far outweighs his interest in the almighty dollar. He is too smart and humble to not appreciate that the less he takes, the better it helps pay others that can help him succeed. He will want a few years locked in for the security and peace of mind... so a 5 year deal with those 3 years plus a couple more that are more fluff than reality? .. I think he accepts that.

Sorter
01-06-2014, 12:33 PM
I'm FAR from a Smith nut hugger, but if he'll do 5/62.5 you do it ASAP IMO

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OnTheWarpath15
01-06-2014, 12:35 PM
If it can be worked into our cap problems, give him 5/$75 with the majority front-loaded so you can get away from him in 2-3 years if necessary.

Otherwise, offer him 3/$45 and let him decide if he's willing to risk his future payday on 2014.

DaFace
01-06-2014, 12:37 PM
I'd prefer it be for more like 3-4 years rather than 5-6, but the value is about where I'd love to be. I bet he gets more than that though.

Jakemall
01-06-2014, 12:43 PM
Might see a 4 year contract with a 3 year option.

Old Dog
01-06-2014, 12:48 PM
LOL
and rep to Sorter

dj56dt58
01-06-2014, 12:50 PM
IMO Alex played like a FRANCHISE QB coming down the stretch, and that playoff game was the stuff of legend. Unfortunately, Luck's legend was considerably bigger that day. We have our guy. Now pay the man.

Lucks legend was chucking it to a wide open TY Hilton. We need a TY Hilton and Alex can really take off..The problem is can we do that and fix the Defense. We can't score 44 in a playoff game and lose

Mav
01-06-2014, 12:58 PM
Lucks legend was chucking it to a wide open TY Hilton. We need a TY Hilton and Alex can really take off..The problem is can we do that and fix the Defense. We can't score 44 in a playoff game and lose

The defense isn't that far from fixed in my opinion. Really need to address the FS position.

Need to add depth to the OLB, and Dline position since clearly they don't like Powe.

Need to add one more developmental corner, so that Dunta Robinson or a player like that, is never an option again.

And besides. If you address some of the offensive needs, chief among them to me, play making tight end, that helps two things, takes the safety help on bowe, and pretty much prevents 8 men in the box to stop Jamal/Knile.

That in itself will help the defense. This defense is at its best once you become one dimensional.

Its strength, regardless of what it showed on Saturday, is getting after the passer. The quickest way to do that, is an offense that scores at will.

Easy 6
01-06-2014, 01:04 PM
I think the Chiefs and Smith will come to a deal that works for both sides. Smith knows that he doesn't want to go out there and do this all again. The Chiefs know that they don't want to go into next season with a question mark at QB.

THIS for sure, the logic both sides will probably go into this with... I bet this gets done with surprising ease.

ThaVirus
01-06-2014, 01:20 PM
And besides. If you address some of the offensive needs, chief among them to me, play making tight end, that helps two things, takes the safety help on bowe, and pretty much prevents 8 men in the box to stop Jamal/Knile.


Unless we can get some type of athletic freak, speedster TE like Vernon Davis, having a playmaking TE will only do more to bring more guys into the box.

l4z4rd
01-06-2014, 01:35 PM
Lucks legend was chucking it to a wide open TY Hilton. We need a TY Hilton and Alex can really take off..The problem is can we do that and fix the Defense. We can't score 44 in a playoff game and lose

Agreed. On almost every single Hilton reception, there was no Chief within 5 yds of him.

Rausch
01-06-2014, 01:37 PM
I'd resign him but not go full retard doing it...

ShowtimeSBMVP
01-06-2014, 01:47 PM
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Would you be happy with this?

philfree
01-06-2014, 02:21 PM
Definitely need to sign Axle to a long term contract but it needs to be cap friendly the first few years so we can sign the right FAs.

Sorter
01-06-2014, 02:30 PM
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Would you be happy with this?

This works for me.

mcaj22
01-06-2014, 02:31 PM
Cutler's contract is front loaded though with TONS of flexibility in the later years

Cutler has like a 22 million year 1 cap hit. That's why the number is so high

Dave Lane
01-06-2014, 02:35 PM
IMO Alex played like a FRANCHISE QB coming down the stretch, and that playoff game was the stuff of legend. Unfortunately, Luck's legend was considerably bigger that day. We have our guy. Now pay the man.

Sorry no chance a franchise QB. He definitely played better than Cassel and at times looked as good as Green. He''s still very run of the mill. Maybe 20-15 range, which is a 10 point improvement from where I thought. Cassel looked almost as good in 2010. I like Discuss''s option of tag him till the wheels fall off.

Dave Lane
01-06-2014, 02:36 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Jay Cutler contract only a 3-yr, $54M commitment with annual Club Options thereafter. Great info from <a href="https://twitter.com/TomPelissero">@TomPelissero</a>: <a href="http://t.co/CSyoCnUbd7">http://t.co/CSyoCnUbd7</a></p>&mdash; Evan Silva (@evansilva) <a href="https://twitter.com/evansilva/statuses/420279694164914176">January 6, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Would you be happy with this?

If it was dramatically incentive laden then yes I could live with it.

MahiMike
01-06-2014, 02:39 PM
$50-$65M is dirt cheap. Bozos like Eli, Romo and Cutler are getting twice that.

Sure-Oz
01-06-2014, 02:40 PM
Yes, you re-sign Alex Smith and draft a QB maybe in the draft in year or two

BigMeatballDave
01-06-2014, 02:55 PM
Sorry no chance a franchise QB. He definitely played better than Cassel and at times looked as good as Green. He''s still very run of the mill. Maybe 20-15 range, which is a 10 point improvement from where I thought. Cassel looked almost as good in 2010. I like Discuss''s option of tag him till the wheels fall off.

LMAO Run of the mill?

No, he's not elite, but he's pretty good.

Skyy God
01-06-2014, 03:14 PM
While learning the offense, he was a top 10-15 QB last year. And he ran for 431 yards, of which 20+ were probably 1st downs.

F yes you would pay him $10M year.

Nhelen79
01-06-2014, 03:15 PM
I remember there was a newspaper talking about how smart he is with his finance and investment back when he was with SF. He does not spend much for himself. Instead, the guy uses a lot of $$ in running his own charity for foster children in San Diego area. He attended a community event searching for a missing girl in Morgan Hills, CA unannounced with lot of foods/water to distribute to people who attending. He also did the search himself. Given his personality and character, $$ wont' be his first priority in considering signing a long-term contract. I think he would accept a friendly deal if he see the potential benefits of that deal for his career long-term. However, if the deal is too cheap, he would not accept it. He has a brain.

Bump
01-06-2014, 03:16 PM
I would resign him for a good contract, but maybe not as much as Cassel got.

007
01-06-2014, 03:29 PM
He'll end up with something like 5/80

God no.

hitchief
01-06-2014, 03:32 PM
He is worth what the market says he's worth. He proved himself once again (3 years running now). If some still have questions, that's a you problem. There is zero chance Andy wants a rookie qb who may or may not pan out. This team is close and just needs a few tweaks to make a serious playoff run. Cutler money sounds about right. Wont get Romo money but he's equal to or better than him imo.

FlaChief58
01-06-2014, 04:23 PM
I'd be good with 3-4 years to give us time to find & groom a QBOTF.

GordonGekko
01-06-2014, 04:24 PM
I'd be good with 3-4 years to give us time to find & groom a QBOTF.

Nothing to argue with here.

saphojunkie
01-06-2014, 04:50 PM
Considering Flacco's pay day, I think a 6 year/ 60 million contract that you can get out of after year 3 is really ****ing reasonable.

Jakemall
01-06-2014, 04:51 PM
Considering Flacco's pay day, I think a 6 year/ 60 million contract that you can get out of after year 3 is really ****ing reasonable.

Alex is making 9.5 now... I don't see how you get that deal.

TripleThreat
01-06-2014, 04:51 PM
Why do you say that? I've always thought of Alex as a team player, that would take a few less bucks to help field a competitive team cap wise. Curious if you know something I don't.

hes a team player but a 5-6 year contract puts him mid 30's. Most he gets after that is a 3 year deal like brady. (not brady money id assume tho) so hes gonna want to get the most of this next contract imo.

saphojunkie
01-06-2014, 04:54 PM
Alex is making 9.5 now... I don't see how you get that deal.

That's the Cassel deal. That's why so many people are in favor of it. The only way to not grossly overpay for Alex Smith is to make a commitment to him now.

mnchiefsguy
01-06-2014, 05:05 PM
I voted yes, assuming that the deal is cap friendly. I could care less how much of fucking Clark's money is spent, what I do care about is how it effects the cap and Dorsey's ability to sign FA's.