Geno Smith Escorted off airplane by police for verbal altercation

[doomy3]

Apparently he was upset with their seating policy. Can't you see Brady, Manning or Rodgers doing this?

http://deadspin.com/geno-smith-allegedly-escorted-off-plane-by-lax-cops-1503821554

Geno Smith Allegedly Escorted Off Plane By LAX Cops [UPDATE]
Geno Smith Allegedly Escorted Off Plane By LAX Cops [UPDATE]
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Jets quarterback Geno Smith was apparently escorted off a Virgin America flight at LAX today by police after what a witness called a "verbal altercation."

The photo you see above was sent to us by a reader who witnessed the incident and says the shot came "moments before" Smith was escorted out of the airport by cops. Our tipster wasn't the only person who saw it:

@JimmyTraina I don't have video, but I'm at LAX and just saw a Geno Smith fiasco yelling at Virgin America workers. Escorted by cops LOL

— Mark Rue (@markyOso) January 17, 2014
We're working on getting more details, but it looks like Geno's weekend isn't off to a great start.

Update (7:11 p.m.): Our tipster fills in some details:

We were waiting for our flight at LAX to Vegas and were put on standby on Virgin American just like Geno. We were told to get seat assignment at 2:40. Apparently Geno was not on board with that. My friend walked over to discuss seat assignment and Geno was saying to airline ticket agents, "**** that, this is bullshit." "Why the **** do I have to wait until 2:40." He would not let it go. He continued to curse and be loud for about 5 minutes. Police were called. They talked for a few minutes and then 3 officers escorted him out of the terminal.

[TimBone]

Apparently he was upset with their searing policy. Can't you see Brady, Manning or Rodgers doing this?


Reported for racism.

[doomy3]

Reported for racism.

Not being racist. I wouldn't see Russell Wilson doing it either. But I would see Ryan Leaf doing it.

[Sure-Oz]

Alex Smith wouldn't do that!

[007]

Apparently he was upset with their searing policy. Can't you see Brady, Manning or Rodgers doing this?

http://deadspin.com/geno-smith-allegedly-escorted-off-plane-by-lax-cops-1503821554


Searing? LMAO

[doomy3]

Searing? LMAO

Woops.

[007]

This is just ludicrous. I absolutely cannot believe that Geno Smith was intercepted before coming anywhere near a touchdow—

NICE

[alnorth]

What a moron. You can't screw around with the airlines, because they know that for air travel we care about price, only price, and don't give a damn about customer service. So because of that, unless you are some ultra-great customer with millions of miles, they won't put up with crap. You hassle them at all, they'll kick you off the plane, throw you out of the terminal, etc.

You treat the airlines just like you do the cops at a traffic stop. Just say yes sir, no sir, look straight ahead, and follow their commands.

[CaliforniaChief]

Apparently he thought his package fit in the space under the seat in front of him, but the airline disagreed.

[Sure-Oz]

Become as good as Tom Brady and you can get your own plane and pilot

[BigRedChief]

If he had been in Florida, he'd been shot.

[ChiefRocka]

Ugly mug.

[Red Dawg]

Freaking Matt Blundin would not do that.

[Deberg_1990]

Become as good as Tom Brady and you can get your own plane and pilot

This.

Winners can do whatever the hell they want.


And losers.........
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[Sfeihc]

....and some of you actually wanted this guy. SMH.

[Deberg_1990]

Mark Sanchez would not have done this....
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[Rasputin]

Matt Cassell would have missed the plane and got on the wrong one.

[007]

Matt Cassell would have missed the plane and got on the wrong one.

And gone fetal as soon as he realized he was screwed.

[Eleazar]

And they scoffed at the reporting pre-draft that vaGina had maturity issues.

[mschiefs1984]

....and some of you actually wanted this guy. SMH.

Some STILL want him even worse ROFL

[Bwana]

LMAO

10 cent head.

[bdj23]

This.

Winners can whatever the hell they want.


And losers.........
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Like fucking the prom queen?

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Thank god we passed on this loser.

[BWillie]

Big deal. Geno Smith, gets in verbal altercation, people freak out. Roethlisburger rapes people, nobody cares.

[Mr. Laz]

Air-nazis strike again

[Mr. Laz]

Big deal. Geno Smith, gets in verbal altercation, people freak out. Roethlisburger rapes people, nobody cares.
umm ... that's bullshit

[Mojo Jojo]

Not his fault...he was being profiled.

[RealSNR]

Big deal. Geno Smith, gets in verbal altercation, people freak out. Roethlisburger rapes people, nobody cares.

When Jameis Winston enters the NFL, people will be told to "just let it go" like they did with Kobe and Roethlisberger

[BigCatDaddy]

Oh my. A verbal altercation.

[WhawhaWhat]

Big deal. Geno Smith, gets in verbal altercation, people freak out. Roethlisburger rapes people, nobody cares.

Racist.

[mikey23545]

Oh my...the swallowers of chocolate jizz are rearing their ugly heads...

LMAO

[Chiefshrink]

....and some of you actually wanted this guy. SMH.

BINGO !!:rolleyes:

[UL Washington]

How does an NFL QB in his early 20's already have a double chin?

[Chiefshrink]

Thank god we passed on this loser.

:thumb:

Draft day said it all for me:rolleyes:

[BossChief]

Who fucking cares?

[FringeNC]

JFC. People acting like this is no big deal? How many franchise QBs behave like this? Geno Smith is a joke, just not as much as his supporters on here.

[BossChief]

-Here we go-

Geno Smith took a team with NO PROBOWLERS to 8 wins and lost a tie breaker for the final playoff spot.

Alex Smith took a team with 9 PROBOWLERS to only 3 more wins.

They both only had 1 win against a playoff team and ours came against a team that hadn't benched their quarterback yet in favor of a red hot second year guy.

-that's all the trollin power I have-

EDIT: Geno had 2 wins against playoff teams. He beat NE (won player of the week honors) and also beat the Saints.

[Quesadilla Joe]

This guy reminds me of a mix between John Elway and Aaron Rodgers/ milkman

[BossChief]

Oh, and BTW...I'd like to add that I'd much rather have Geno sitting behind Alex and learning as a backup than anything Eric Fisher showed us last year. That's for sure. Geno was a better quarterback than Eric Fisher was a right tackle.

Who knows what would have happened to Aaron Rodgers career if he had to start right away. He was a Tedford guy. I will alway think that Genos best chance would have been to sit for a year or two in a good system with good coaching.

[Sfeihc]

Quit while you're behind, bossqueef

[RealSNR]

Oh, and BTW...I'd like to add that I'd much rather have Geno sitting behind Alex and learning as a backup than anything Eric Fisher showed us last year. That's for sure. Geno was a better quarterback than Eric Fisher was a right tackle.

Who knows what would have happened to Aaron Rodgers career if he had to start right away. He was a Tedford guy. I will alway think that Genos best chance would have been to sit for a year or two in a good system with good coaching.

I'd agree with this.

If this was such an abysmal and shitty draft, there's no reason at all why Eric Fisher had to be the pick. Take the opportunity to reach for the fucking stars.

[Predarat]

This is how it is in West Virginia.

[MahiMike]

Way to represent. Idiot.

[BigCatDaddy]

JFC. People acting like this is no big deal? How many franchise QBs behave like this? Geno Smith is a joke, just not as much as his supporters on here.

Dan Marino was a coke head and Favre was texting dick picks. We don't want no HOF'er, but some squeaky clean white boy game manager.

[BigCatDaddy]

Oh, and BTW...I'd like to add that I'd much rather have Geno sitting behind Alex and learning as a backup than anything Eric Fisher showed us last year. That's for sure. Geno was a better quarterback than Eric Fisher was a right tackle.

Who knows what would have happened to Aaron Rodgers career if he had to start right away. He was a Tedford guy. I will alway think that Genos best chance would have been to sit for a year or two in a good system with good coaching.

Kill shot!

[FringeNC]

Dan Marino was a coke head and Favre was texting dick picks. We don't want no HOF'er, but some squeaky clean white boy game manager.

Give it up. You were wrong. Let Geno Smith actually achieve something and I don't give a fuck what he does. Let him act like a total douchebag loser before he wins anything, and I'll show you a guy who'll never win shit.

[houstonwhodat]

Entitled piece of shit.

[DenverChief]

Jet Jettisoned from Jet

LMAO

[BossChief]

I love it how the same people that QUICKLY want to paint Geno as a bust are the same guys that give excuse after excuse for Eric Fisher.

I'll say again, Geno Smith was better at playing quarterback than Eric Fisher was at playing right tackle.

Guys are like "but the technique and everything is backwards on the other side so it's understandable that Fisher sucks right now"..........breathes later ...."Genos a bust because he cursed out some airport personnel"

Go figure.

[BossChief]

Entitled piece of shit.

I do agree he has a sense of entitlement about him that I don't like.

He's like the guy that needed his ass kicked, but nobody stepped up to do it because he was always the quarterback. He needs a big slice of humble pie.

[-King-]

Oh, and BTW...I'd like to add that I'd much rather have Geno sitting behind Alex and learning as a backup than anything Eric Fisher showed us last year. That's for sure. Geno was a better quarterback than Eric Fisher was a right tackle.

Who knows what would have happened to Aaron Rodgers career if he had to start right away. He was a Tedford guy. I will alway think that Genos best chance would have been to sit for a year or two in a good system with good coaching.

And there are a bunch of players that would have been better picks than both of them.

[Just Passin' By]

I love it how the same people that QUICKLY want to paint Geno as a bust are the same guys that give excuse after excuse for Eric Fisher.

I'll say again, Geno Smith was better at playing quarterback than Eric Fisher was at playing right tackle.

Guys are like "but the technique and everything is backwards on the other side so it's understandable that Fisher sucks right now"..........breathes later ...."Genos a bust because he cursed out some airport personnel"

Go figure.

Geno Smith was shitty this year. Posters like you thought he was worth the first pick in the draft, and a must-take player. Here's a story showing him to be enoug of a problem to get tossed off a plane, and you try breaking out the comparisions to Fisher.

Take your medicine like a good little boy.

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

This calls for five Rex Ryan noogies & 2 Woodie Johnson sighs

[BossChief]

Geno Smith was shitty this year. Posters like you thought he was worth the first pick in the draft, and a must-take player. Here's a story showing him to be enoug of a problem to get tossed off a plane, and you try breaking out the comparisions to Fisher.

Take your medicine like a good little boy.

I wanted to draft him and sit him for a MINIMUM of one year behind Alex Smith, who I was fine with adding to the roster...just didn't like that we gave up so much to get him.

There is a big difference in thinking a player would be worth a certain price IF DEVELOPED THE RIGHT WAY and having to play right away on one of (if not the worst) talented teams in the entire NFL. The Jets were a fucking circus in 2012.

The kid had his WTF moments AS ROOKIES ALMOST ALWAYS DO...but he also had some straight up outstanding moments, too.

He had the NFLs second highest total QBR in the final 4 games of the year (Manning was first) and two of those were against Carolina and Cleveland.

Who knows how his career plays out if he is in KC as the backup with guys like Alex and Reid around him every day.

[Just Passin' By]

I wanted to draft him and sit him for a MINIMUM of one year behind Alex Smith, who I was fine with adding to the roster...just didn't like that we gave up so much to get him.

There is a big difference in thinking a player would be worth a certain price IF DEVELOPED THE RIGHT WAY and having to play right away on one of (if not the worst) talented teams in the entire NFL. The Jets were a ****ing circus in 2012.

The kid had his WTF moments AS ROOKIES ALMOST ALWAYS DO...but he also had some straight up outstanding moments, too.

He had the NFLs second highest total QBR in the final 4 games of the year (Manning was first) and two of those were against Carolina and Cleveland.

Who knows how his career plays out if he is in KC as the backup with guys like Alex and Reid around him every day.

All I'm saying is that the people here who were pimping him and bashing everyone who didn't toe the line need to accept a bit of blowback without crying instead of trying to toss out red herrings like the team drafting Fisher. This probably isn't even a big deal. He apparently got into it with a steward(ess) and the end result was him being off the plane. It's stupid, but it's not the end of the world.


And he sucked ass as a rookie.

[Dartgod]

Matt Cassel would have missed the plane and got on the wing.

FYP

[JakeLV]

If there were genuine character concerns that led to him dropping, then this report supports those findings.

Kids are allowed to be kids though. He'll grow up sooner or later. Hopefully before his NFL career is over.

[chiefzilla1501]

Haha. Top comment on ESPN is pretty amazeballs:

"He tried to throw a tantrum, but he was intercepted"

[HemiEd]

Oh, and BTW...I'd like to add that I'd much rather have Geno sitting behind Alex and learning as a backup than anything Eric Fisher showed us last year. That's for sure. Geno was a better quarterback than Eric Fisher was a right tackle.

Who knows what would have happened to Aaron Rodgers career if he had to start right away. He was a Tedford guy. I will alway think that Genos best chance would have been to sit for a year or two in a good system with good coaching.

Well said. At one point in the season, he had set a rookie come from behind win record.

[BossChief]

All I'm saying is that the people here who were pimping him and bashing everyone who didn't toe the line need to accept a bit of blowback without crying instead of trying to toss out red herrings like the team drafting Fisher. This probably isn't even a big deal. He apparently got into it with a steward(ess) and the end result was him being off the plane. It's stupid, but it's not the end of the world.


And he sucked ass as a rookie.

He was good enough to earn player of the week honors while beating your Patriots.

[salame]

I remember my first beer.

[BossChief]

Mickeys 64oz

[KcMizzou]

I remember my first beer.I'm seeing a trend here....

[Just Passin' By]

He was good enough to earn player of the week honors while beating your Patriots.

He sucked.

Funny you should point to that game, since the Jets only won because of a bullshit call never made before or since, in a case where the league agreed that the Jets had done the same thing earlier in the game and the league had taught the rule differently during the preseason. 17 for 33, 233 yards, 1 TD 1 INT. Tremendous POW material right there.

That's one of the 2 games the Jets got credited for as wins directly because the officials gave them the game on blown calls. Mr. 8-8 really was no better than 6-10, and his statistical season was basically the same as Sanchez' rookie year.

Sanchez as a rookie: 63 QB rating with 12 TDs and 20 INTs
Smith as a rookie: 66.5 QB rating with 12 TDs and 21 INTs

Great call there, though, bringing up a gifted win at home against a Patriots team that was absolutely devasted by injury at the time. LMAO

[beach tribe]

Oh my. A verbal altercation.

Amazing how predictable some posters are.

[BossChief]

Excuses excuses.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Shit, if Geno didn't go full retard at the end of their first matchup, he would have swept you guys in his rookie year. He only lost by 3 to you guys in fox borough.

It's a shame that if he didnt throw those picks at the very end, he would have taken a shit team to the playoffs as a rookie and people call him a bust because he was inconsistent.

HE

WAS

A

ROOKIE

QUARTERBACK

THE HARDEST POSITION TO PLAY IN ALL OF PRO SPORTS.

[Discuss Thrower]

Excuses excuses.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Shit, if Geno didn't go full retard at the end of their first matchup, he would have swept you guys in his rookie year. He only lost by 3 to you guys in fox borough.

It's a shame that if he didnt throw those picks at the very end, he would have taken a shit team to the playoffs as a rookie and people call him a bust because he was inconsistent.

HE

WAS

A

ROOKIE

QUARTERBACK

THE HARDEST POSITION TO PLAY IN ALL OF PRO SPORTS.

Or the idiotic penalty against Tampa Bay in week 1...

[Carlota69]

He might be a good QB when all is said and done, or he might not be. What is for sure is he's a fucking douche bag. So glad he's not on this team.

[BossChief]

Or trying to pass the all to his other hand while getting sacked.

I know, he made some TERRIBLE decisions with the ball early on...but he ended the year the way you want to see a rookie end the year.

Winning 3 of his last 4...having the second highest total QBR in the NFL over the last 4 games, including Carolina and Cleveland's defenses...losing the 6 seed in the playoffs to a tie breaker.

But, yeah....he's a bust because he cussed out some stuardess.

[KcMizzou]

He might be a good QB when all is said and done, or he might not be. What is for sure is he's a fucking douche bag. So glad he's not on this team.Agreed.

We've got a pro QB who played his ass off. Geno can rot with the Jets.

[tk13]

I don't know if it's really the hardest position to play in sports. It's way up there but it's certainly debatable. Hockey goalie immediately comes to mind. A baseball catcher is certainly up there too.

[tk13]

The only other thing I'd say is I agree I think Geno showed potential. Obviously QB is more important than OL... but there's no need to drag Fisher into this. Fisher certainly has just as good a shot of being a good LT as Geno does a good QB. In terms of physical talent relative to the position they play, Fisher probably shows more potential than Geno does. Of course reaching potential is an entirely different argument.

[BossChief]

I'm just fine with the decision they made. If Alex can keep growing into his role and playing at a high level, this team is gonna be hard to stop.

Alex Smith > Geno Smith

So far, at least...and I like the Reid/Alex combo better than the Ryan/Geno combo...being Mark Sanchez will probably get his job back next year in exchange for banging Rex's wife.

[beach tribe]

I actually think he showed some promise at the end of the season.
Enough to maybe hold a clipboard one day. Which is what he should have been doing for a cpl years.
As things are though Im pretty sure hes gonna end up getting replaced in NY and probably wont get another shot until someone goes down.
If he can take advantage of his huge talent and capitalize on it, he may have a chance to resurrect his career down the line.
I dont see him making it in NY at all though. The team was too patient with sanchez which will make them kneejerk with Geno.
Its all up stairs for him though thats for sure. He has no physical limitations.

[beach tribe]

I don't know if it's really the hardest position to play in sports. It's way up there but it's certainly debatable. Hockey goalie immediately comes to mind. A baseball catcher is certainly up there too.

You will be hard pressed to find anyone who agrees with this.

And rightfully so.

[Just Passin' By]

Excuses excuses.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Shit, if Geno didn't go full retard at the end of their first matchup, he would have swept you guys in his rookie year. He only lost by 3 to you guys in fox borough.

It's a shame that if he didnt throw those picks at the very end, he would have taken a shit team to the playoffs as a rookie and people call him a bust because he was inconsistent.

HE

WAS

A

ROOKIE

QUARTERBACK

THE HARDEST POSITION TO PLAY IN ALL OF PRO SPORTS.

I didn't offer excuses. You posted some bullshit to distract from the reality that Smith sucked ass in his rookie season. I simply noted the poor example you used and pointed out some of the reasons why it was a poor example. Using early season games involving the Patriots is boneheaded, considering all that team was going through at the time.

In the end, despite all the problems, the Patriots finished at 12-4 and are in the AFCCG. In the end, despite the pair of gifted games, the Jets finished 8-8 and Smith basically repeated Sanchez' rookie year in terms of his play.

[BossChief]

And there are a bunch of players that would have been better picks than both of them.
Agreed.

Barkevious Mingo would have been a phenomenal pick..as would Patterson, Richardson, Lotuleuiiioue, moving the pick for Percy Harvin, Ansah, Vaccaro...the list goes on and on. Just think of this defense with a guy like Vaccaro instead of Kendrick Lewis...MIND=BLOWN
The only other thing I'd say is I agree I think Geno showed potential. Obviously QB is more important than OL... but there's no need to drag Fisher into this. Fisher certainly has just as good a shot of being a good LT as Geno does a good QB. In terms of physical talent relative to the position they play, Fisher probably shows more potential than Geno does. Of course reaching potential is an entirely different argument.
The only reason I brought him up was the shot about "haha you wanted Geno at 1...haha"

Which is better?

Having a first round quarterback sit for a year or two and develop

Or

Having an OL drafted at 1 that is terrible his rookie year (and should have sat)

[BossChief]

I didn't offer excuses. You posted some bullshit to distract from the reality that Smith sucked ass in his rookie season. I simply noted the poor example you used and pointed out some of the reasons why it was a poor example. Using early season games involving the Patriots is boneheaded, considering all that team was going through at the time.

In the end, despite all the problems, the Patriots finished at 12-4 and are in the AFCCG. In the end, despite the pair of gifted games, the Jets finished 8-8 and Smith basically repeated Sanchez' rookie year in terms of his play.

Mark Sanchez had a stacked team around him. Geno didn't.

[beach tribe]

Agreed.

Barkevious Mingo would have been a phenomenal pick..as would Patterson, Richardson, Lotuleuiiioue, moving the pick for Percy Harvin, Ansah, Vaccaro...the list goes on and on. Just think of this defense with a guy like Vaccaro instead of Kendrick Lewis...MIND=BLOWN

The only reason I brought him up was the shot about "haha you wanted Geno at 1...haha"

Which is better?

Having a first round quarterback sit for a year or two and develop

Or

Having an OL drafted at 1 that is terrible his rookie year (and should have sat)

Nobody pounded the board with Fisher cock sucking and attacked anyone who disagreed.

Those responses should be expected.

[tk13]

You will be hard pressed to find anyone who agrees with this.

And rightfully so.

On this board, probably not. Among the general sporting public, I think many, if not a majority would agree. I think a lot of people would put soccer goalie up there too, although I didn't. Hockey requires you to wear a ton of gear, skate, and face a small puck that's going 100 mph. But all goalie positions basically have no backup, you have a bad game and your team is going to lose. It's not as cerebral as QB or being a baseball catcher though.

[tk13]

Agreed.

Barkevious Mingo would have been a phenomenal pick..as would Patterson, Richardson, Lotuleuiiioue, moving the pick for Percy Harvin, Ansah, Vaccaro...the list goes on and on. Just think of this defense with a guy like Vaccaro instead of Kendrick Lewis...MIND=BLOWN

The only reason I brought him up was the shot about "haha you wanted Geno at 1...haha"

Which is better?

Having a first round quarterback sit for a year or two and develop

Or

Having an OL drafted at 1 that is terrible his rookie year (and should have sat)

That all just really depends. I think Geno was very good in college, really improved as the year went on this year and showed promise. But even now you're still acting like we missed out on a sure #1 pick. He hasn't demonstrated that level of talent yet. I like Geno but I don't see what separates him from Tannehill and Bridgewater and the like. Why are we going to spend the next 3 years banging this drum? He's not the last QB prospect ever, we need to quit acting like it.

And tackle is a very important position. Especially if we can't retain Albert. It's not as important as QB, but it's not like we drafted a MLB at 1.

[BossChief]

How am I making it out like he was a sure fire number one pick?

I've said all along that I thought Geno would have to sit and learn for at least 1 full season. That's doesnt equate to "sure fire first round pick"

When you draft a player in the first round, you own his rights for 5 years and Alex Smith will be 30 by the time the draft rolls around.

[Why Not?]

I could see Rodgers doing this only if he involuntarily had his seat moved out of grill class

[Stalker]

I wouldn't do that......where's my contract bitches

[redshirt32]

If you chose your seat before the flight it cost more, if you have baggage other than carry on it cost moarrrrrr god dam airlines Rule! SOB's

[BlackHelicopters]

Thread title is deceptive. Was he on the plane or not?

[notorious]

He just found out that they extended Rex Ryan.


Anyone offensive player would be upset.

[Eleazar]

Thread title is deceptive. Was he on the plane or not?

They wanted him to wait 10 minutes for a seat assignment, and he threw such a fit that he was escorted out of the airport.

[Marcellus]

LMAO at the OP. Just LMAO

What an entitled douchelord.

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

Pretty sure this is the same idiot. That at the scouting combine would take out his phone & text while being questioned in a interview.

[Chief Roundup]

Sure am glad that Reid and Dorsey made the right call when it came to drafting Geno Smith.
For those of you who wanted to draft him and let him set for a year or 2. You guys must have lost your minds. No team should ever draft a player at 1.1 that has to set for at least a year or two. That would mean that whatever team drafted that player reached by a round if not 2 rounds. No GM or HC would do anything like that. Which they should not.

[9er guy]

and it begins.......

[Easy 6]

GENO MANNING

[Lex Luthor]

GENO MANNING
No.

Geno Leaf is more accurate.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

We could have had Fisher AND Geno!

[Eleazar]

Just another illustration of how the QB class last year was one of the worst on record. The top guy going into the draft was supposedly someone who ran a simple, shotgun-only offense in college and who has character problems and an underwhelming final collegiate season.

The top guy actually drafted posted one or two quality games but had a knee injury that took him out toward the end of the year.

Barkley played in two games and threw a bunch of picks.

Nassib never took a snap.

Tyler Wilson couldn't even stay on the team that drafted him's roster all season.

Glennon is the jewel of this QB class? Well, he played in 13 games and threw 20 TDs and 9 INTs.

Really, can you say that all of these guys are better prospects than Bray? Can we say that we'd rather have Vagina Smith than Bray? Probably, but with how much confidence?

[RealSNR]

Nobody pounded the board with Fisher cock sucking and attacked anyone who disagreed.

Those responses should be expected.

I WONDER FUCKING WHY.

[whoman69]

I wonder if Mark Sanchez has a hand in this?:p

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

It was like Saturday night at closing time after 5 years on a deserted island

[L.A. Chieffan]

This wouldn't have happened if he didn't get drafted by the jets

[stevieray]

oh this is gonna rile up the geno groupies...all two of them.

[TLO]

oh this is gonna rile up the geno groupies...all two of them.

LMAO

[Halfcan]

Glad this d bag is not a Chief!

[DomerNKC]

....and some of you actually wanted this guy. SMH.
No, some wanted him so badly that they detested the possibility that anyone MIGHT not agree. IF you did disagree you were a f'ing moron and would get dog piled by their mob. Absolutely one of the worst periods on this board, when the idiots took over the asylum...

[BigCatDaddy]

No, some wanted him so badly that they detested the possibility that anyone MIGHT not agree. IF you did disagree you were a f'ing moron and would get dog piled by their mob. Absolutely one of the worst periods on this board, when the idiots took over the asylum...

Teo. LMAO

[DomerNKC]

Teo. LMAODid he start all season for a team that made the playoffs and beat us twice? Would we have been better with him beside DJ in the middle instead of the idiot that was there? Was he better than Geno or Fisher?

[pkane]

Did he start all season for a team that made the playoffs and beat us twice? Would we have been better with him beside DJ in the middle instead of the idiot that was there? Was he better than Geno or Fisher?

No

[DomerNKC]

Nodenial is part of the process. You will get better soon....

[pkane]

denial is part of the process. You will get better soon....

I'm not in denial. You asked if Te'o started all year, I just answered.

[beach tribe]

I WONDER ****ING WHY.

I agree.

But that's not relative to the point.

[splatbass]

Teo. LMAO

Hey, its one of the head idiots.

[Mav]

dude must of had flashbacks to the draft.

[mikey23545]

Pretty sure this is the same idiot. That at the scouting combine would take out his phone & text while being questioned in a interview.

New York Jets quarterback Geno Smith has realized there is something more dangerous than toying with New England’s defense.

Not taking an airline employee seriously.


According to the Daily News, Smith was kicked off a Virgin America flight out of Los Angeles International Airport on Friday because he refused to get off his cellphone after being asked three times by the flight crew.
Here is a portion of the Daily News’ story:

“The incident occurred around 2:30 p.m., the source said, when LAX Port Authority cops got a call to respond to an incident at Gate 37A. A Virgin America supervisor had already escorted Smith from the gate and both were at the airline’s kiosk because the flight had already departed.

“The supervisor told the cops that the captain hadn’t wanted Smith on the flight.”

After repeatedly being asked to get off his cellphone, Smith was booted off the plane and not allowed to schedule another flight with Virgin America.

“He (Smith) said he didn’t know why he was kicked off the flight,” a source told the Daily News. “He said it was because he was black. Virgin Airlines refused to re-book him because he was being disruptive.”

Smith had a rough rookie season, throwing 12 touchdowns, 21 interceptions and eventually getting benched. This is not a great way to start a new year.

Anyone with a television knows battling airline employees is a losing battle. A passenger might be able to get away with one warning, but the airline representative's mood will not improve after a second warning. Nobody enjoys turning their phone off prior to takeoff, but everyone understands the repercussions of testing those boundaries.

Well, not everyone.

Chalk this one up as another bad decision by Smith.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/jets-quarterback-geno-smith-reportedly-kicked-off-plane-164817930--nfl.html

[Namor40]

New York Jets quarterback Geno Smith has realized there is something more dangerous than toying with New England’s defense.

Not taking an airline employee seriously.


According to the Daily News, Smith was kicked off a Virgin America flight out of Los Angeles International Airport on Friday because he refused to get off his cellphone after being asked three times by the flight crew.
Here is a portion of the Daily News’ story:

“The incident occurred around 2:30 p.m., the source said, when LAX Port Authority cops got a call to respond to an incident at Gate 37A. A Virgin America supervisor had already escorted Smith from the gate and both were at the airline’s kiosk because the flight had already departed.

“The supervisor told the cops that the captain hadn’t wanted Smith on the flight.”

After repeatedly being asked to get off his cellphone, Smith was booted off the plane and not allowed to schedule another flight with Virgin America.

“He (Smith) said he didn’t know why he was kicked off the flight,” a source told the Daily News. “He said it was because he was black. Virgin Airlines refused to re-book him because he was being disruptive.”

Smith had a rough rookie season, throwing 12 touchdowns, 21 interceptions and eventually getting benched. This is not a great way to start a new year.

Anyone with a television knows battling airline employees is a losing battle. A passenger might be able to get away with one warning, but the airline representative's mood will not improve after a second warning. Nobody enjoys turning their phone off prior to takeoff, but everyone understands the repercussions of testing those boundaries.

Well, not everyone.

Chalk this one up as another bad decision by Smith.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/jets-quarterback-geno-smith-reportedly-kicked-off-plane-164817930--nfl.html





What other young QB do you see pulling this shit? Andrew Luck, Kaepernick, Wilson, Newton.....etc. Smith's acting like he's arrived and was no doubt being a dick when asked to get off the phone, as flight attendant's normally will ask you to do when the plane is getting ready to take off. You can say it's just about being young and making a dumb mistake, but why don't you see his successful peers having some of these same issues?


He still appears to be the same lost in the sauce clown that made a fool out of himself prior to the draft.

[Bowser]

Sounds like an entitled douchebag.

Here's another way of looking at it - Is Geno handling himself the way he is because Rex wants his young QB to be himself? Many times players emulate their coaches...

That said, it is certainly possible that Geno is just a dumbass all on hi own.

[chiefzilla1501]

Sounds like an entitled douchebag.

Here's another way of looking at it - Is Geno handling himself the way he is because Rex wants his young QB to be himself? Many times players emulate their coaches...

That said, it is certainly possible that Geno is just a dumbass all on hi own.

Given that this was brought up before the Jets even drafted him as a red flag, I'm guessing it's the case of a guy who was going to do this anyway enabled by a guy who will encourage this behavior.

[Bowser]

Given that this was brought up before the Jets even drafted him as a red flag, I'm guessing it's the case of a guy who was going to do this anyway enabled by a guy who will encourage this behavior.

I loved the guys ability to play QB at the college level, and thought he would make a good pro under Andy if given the opportunity to sit back and watch how the NFL works for a season or two. Sounds like sitting back and being patient just isn't in this kids' DNA.

[chiefzilla1501]

I loved the guys ability to play QB at the college level, and thought he would make a good pro under Andy if given the opportunity to sit back and watch how the NFL works for a season or two. Sounds like sitting back and being patient just isn't in this kids' DNA.

I think we're assuming he would have been okay with that. I wanted him for a 1.1 too, but the more stories I hear, the more it sounds clear that his attitude was a very big reason he dropped.

[RNR]

oh this is gonna rile up the geno groupies...all two of them.

There were a heck of a lot more of them before the draft last year. The love affair several people here had with that kid is one of the strangest things I have witnessed. People would try and reason with them and they would go mental LMAO

[HonestChieffan]

If you are surprised that Geno is a total nitwit you were never paying attention.

[RobBlake]

Dan Marino was a coke head and Favre was texting dick picks. We don't want no HOF'er, but some squeaky clean white boy game manager.

Maybe you should want a legitimate defense that show up against legitimate offenses.

[Eleazar]

“He (Smith) said he didn’t know why he was kicked off the flight,” a source told the Daily News. “He said it was because he was black.

:LOL:

[HonestChieffan]

Wait. Who said he was black?

[BossChief]

Geno lost points with me if he really brought up race...lots of points.

[RealSNR]

There were a heck of a lot more of them before the draft last year. The love affair several people here had with that kid is one of the strangest things I have witnessed. People would try and reason with them and they would go mental LMAO

The "reasoning" brought up by critics during the 2012 season usually had nothing to do with football.

There were some people (and several of his supporters like me and DJ's Left Nut) that brought up legit concerns about timing with his receivers and quicker decision making. A lot of people thought his footwork had to get settled down in order to get that rhythm and precision in his throws. That sort of thing.

You also had a lot of chuckleheads that just plain didn't like the dude from Day One. I even remember them refusing to give Geno Smith any credit whatsoever after his mammoth day against Marshall. If you asked what evidence they had to question his character and leadership, they said bullshit like, "He slapped a piece of tarp on the sideline! He has a vacant expression on his face after that interception! He's not sitting with his teammates while they're losing!" That's only when I and many others called people morons. And Black Bob. Definitely Black Bob.

I really don't care what he does or how he performs anymore. I stopped caring so much after the Alex Smith trade, and when it was confirmed that we picked Eric Fisher, I stopped giving a shit about Geno completely. The shit-chucking apes who had the exact same baseless leadership and character criticisms of Cam Newton are probably going to be correct about Geno's career in the NFL, but that doesn't mean they had brilliant football foresight to see this coming. For football fans (and absolutely GMs and coaches) you win some and you lose some when it comes to player predictions. But that doesn't mean one's dislike of the dude that formed your opinion is a valid way to go about predicting the amount of success a player will have in the pros.

After this incident, I gotta think that Geno's got some emotional issues that he seems unable to channel properly, and no doubt that can affect his preparation and play during games.

[houstonwhodat]

You remember how this asshole acted during the draft last year when he didn't get picked?

THAT'S HIM! THAT'S HIM 100%!

Now you have an asshole like that and Jay Z is his manager what the fuck do you think is gonna happen?

A self entitled race card playing asshole.

The piece of shit won't last long and it will all be whitey's fault you watch.

[chiefzilla1501]

The "reasoning" brought up by critics during the 2012 season usually had nothing to do with football.

There were some people (and several of his supporters like me and DJ's Left Nut) that brought up legit concerns about timing with his receivers and quicker decision making. A lot of people thought his footwork had to get settled down in order to get that rhythm and precision in his throws. That sort of thing.

You also had a lot of chuckleheads that just plain didn't like the dude from Day One. I even remember them refusing to give Geno Smith any credit whatsoever after his mammoth day against Marshall. If you asked what evidence they had to question his character and leadership, they said bullshit like, "He slapped a piece of tarp on the sideline! He has a vacant expression on his face after that interception! He's not sitting with his teammates while they're losing!" That's only when I and many others called people morons. And Black Bob. Definitely Black Bob.

I really don't care what he does or how he performs anymore. I stopped caring so much after the Alex Smith trade, and when it was confirmed that we picked Eric Fisher, I stopped giving a shit about Geno completely. The shit-chucking apes who had the exact same baseless leadership and character criticisms of Cam Newton are probably going to be correct about Geno's career in the NFL, but that doesn't mean they had brilliant football foresight to see this coming. For football fans (and absolutely GMs and coaches) you win some and you lose some when it comes to player predictions. But that doesn't mean one's dislike of the dude that formed your opinion is a valid way to go about predicting the amount of success a player will have in the pros.

After this incident, I gotta think that Geno's got some emotional issues that he seems unable to channel properly, and no doubt that can affect his preparation and play during games.

There are some people who disliked Geno from the start. I wanted him at 1.1. I grew to dislike him because of how much his supporters overhyped him. And how every ****ing thread swerved into a Geno spoogefest.

Geno Smith is a hell of a lot more talented than many QBs who went in the first round over the years. 32 teams passed on him. If you think that's purely because of footwork and technique, then that's just naive. EJ Manuel had much bigger issues. Lots of red flags came out about the guy. The childish way he acted when he wasn't drafted. Reports that he acted like he didn't care during interviews. Scouts that questioned his leadership. And almost every time a new flag come up, it was surrounded by apologies.

And if you think Geno will have emotional issues because of this vs. this being the result of the emotional issues he had to begin with... then you're apologizing for him.

[ThaVirus]

I remember hearing reports of him being glued to his cell phone during team visits. Of course, there was also the hissy fit he threw when he didn't get drafted. Now this shit..Sounds like the dude is pretty immature.

Ah well. He's 22 and has probably been the man his entire life. Doesn't make it OK but I'm not surprised.

[RealSNR]

There are some people who disliked Geno from the start. I wanted him at 1.1. I grew to dislike him because of how much his supporters overhyped him. And how every ****ing thread swerved into a Geno spoogefest.

Geno Smith is a hell of a lot more talented than many QBs who went in the first round over the years. 32 teams passed on him. If you think that's purely because of footwork and technique, then that's just naive. EJ Manuel had much bigger issues. Lots of red flags came out about the guy. The childish way he acted when he wasn't drafted. Reports that he acted like he didn't care during interviews. Scouts that questioned his leadership. And almost every time a new flag come up, it was surrounded by apologies.

And if you think Geno will have emotional issues because of this vs. this being the result of the emotional issues he had to begin with... then you're apologizing for him.

What the fuck? I never said he didn't have those issues. My point is that people started saying that shit about him before those scouting reports came out. They acted like they knew that stuff about him during the 2012 season when there was no way they could have any evidence to support that beyond being a player or coach in the Mountaineer locker room. The Alex Smith trade had already happened before Geno's interviews and before the draft, and I was feeling pretty dejected as a Chiefs fan. I still hoped we'd pull the trigger on Geno at #1, but I stopped giving a shit about him. My biggest prayer at that point was that the Chiefs would at least spare themselves at least SOME shred of dignity and not pick Luke Joeckel.

And again, the story isn't written on the kid just yet. There are numerous examples of players (even QBs) who meet the right coach or the right team down the line and make the positive changes necessary, both emotionally and physically.

Right now it's not looking good, though.

[tk13]

Actually if I recall correctly the Alex Smith trade was finalized during the last day of the combine. I know many disagree with me on this... but I don't think that was a complete coincidence.

[Dave Lane]

Looks like geno is trying to be the next Jeff George of the NFL. Million $ talent 10 cent maturity.

[BurtGummer44Magnum]

Meh, who doesn't get pissed off these days with airlines, airports and the TSA Gestapo? I remember when flying was fun with first class customer service. But then again, people didn't wear pajamas and flip flops to fly either.

[Just Passin' By]

Dan Marino was a coke head and Favre was texting dick picks. We don't want no HOF'er, but some squeaky clean white boy game manager.

Your shower shoes have fungus on 'em. You'll never make it to the Bigs with fungus on your shower shoes. Think classy, you'll be classy. If you win 20 in the Show, you can let the fungus grow back on your shower shoes and the press will think you're colorful. Until you win 20 in the Show however, it means you're a slob.
-- Crash Davis



Seems simple enough

[Messier]

Looks like geno is trying to be the next Jeff George of the NFL. Million $ talent 10 cent maturity.

I'd argue Geno isn't a million $ talent. He's talented, but not wildly so.

[splatbass]

You remember how this asshole acted during the draft last year when he didn't get picked?

THAT'S HIM! THAT'S HIM 100%!

Now you have an asshole like that and Jay Z is his manager what the **** do you think is gonna happen?

A self entitled race card playing asshole.

The piece of shit won't last long and it will all be whitey's fault you watch.

It is you that is playing the race card here.

[Eleazar]

Actually if I recall correctly the Alex Smith trade was finalized during the last day of the combine. I know many disagree with me on this... but I don't think that was a complete coincidence.

I don't think it was a coincidence either.

Reid and Dorsey aren't stupid. They probably had the deal tentatively in place, went to the combine to assess their options, and then decided they definitely preferred Alex Smith.

[Easy 6]

Actually if I recall correctly the Alex Smith trade was finalized during the last day of the combine. I know many disagree with me on this... but I don't think that was a complete coincidence.

Chris Mortensen said Geno was playing Angry Birds during their interview.

[chiefzilla1501]

What the ****? I never said he didn't have those issues. My point is that people started saying that shit about him before those scouting reports came out. They acted like they knew that stuff about him during the 2012 season when there was no way they could have any evidence to support that beyond being a player or coach in the Mountaineer locker room. The Alex Smith trade had already happened before Geno's interviews and before the draft, and I was feeling pretty dejected as a Chiefs fan. I still hoped we'd pull the trigger on Geno at #1, but I stopped giving a shit about him. My biggest prayer at that point was that the Chiefs would at least spare themselves at least SOME shred of dignity and not pick Luke Joeckel.

And again, the story isn't written on the kid just yet. There are numerous examples of players (even QBs) who meet the right coach or the right team down the line and make the positive changes necessary, both emotionally and physically.

Right now it's not looking good, though.

I'm not calling you out specifically. I'm only addressing your post specifically because your rant has been pretty one sided. There are people who annoyingly made up character issues before the draft, and people who annoyingly apologized for him after every red flag. Let's not act like one side was annoying and the other wasn't.

Just because you didn't say there weren't issues, doesn't mean that's how all Geno supporters acted. The Geno ballwashers have been making excuses for the red flags, shouting how great he is after a good game, then disappearing after the bad ones. I liked Geno going into the draft, and CP has made me despise him after the draft.

[BigCatDaddy]

Good, good. He's got a little Kerry Collins in him,

[RealSNR]

I'm not calling you out specifically. I'm only addressing your post specifically because your rant has been pretty one sided. There are people who annoyingly made up character issues before the draft, and people who annoyingly apologized for him after every red flag. Let's not act like one side was annoying and the other wasn't.

Just because you didn't say there weren't issues, doesn't mean that's how all Geno supporters acted. The Geno ballwashers have been making excuses for the red flags, shouting how great he is after a good game, then disappearing after the bad ones. I liked Geno going into the draft, and CP has made me despise him after the draft.

You might ask people who know more about football than I do who liked Geno Smith last year. DJ's Left Nut, BossChief, Sorter, and several other names come to mind. They'll tell you that when it was all about football, there were some pretty good level-headed debates that took place about Geno.

Then Blackbob would show up...

And sure, people made excuses for Geno. I did that plenty of times. A few times were unwarranted, but there were several other occasions (the close losses to Ok State and Oklahoma) where people were making big deals out of nothing. And you can bet that I also expressed concern about his poor play when it happened. The Texas Tech game and the Pinstripe Bowl are the blackest spots on his 2012 resume. He got no excuses from me after those games.

[-King-]

Wanted him pre-draft. Glad I was wrong.

[Eleazar]

Even the Jets wouldn't take him until their third pick of the draft, that ought to tell us something. The team that valued him the highest in the draft probably considered the pick a flyer.

As far as turning the reins over to him... well, the Jets are where they are because they do things like that.

[stevieray]

how's it hanging , pee wee?

[BossChief]

Lost the tie breaker for a playoff spot
Second highest qbr in the league over his last 4 games, two of those defenses were Carolina and Cleveland. Those are elite level defenses.
Beat the Patriots and Saints.
Won player of the week honors in defeating the Patriots

Lets not act like the kid can't play in the league...he just needs to get a counselor to help deal with these types of emotional problems.

It makes me think he might have a drug problem...especially after his reaction to when Mooch asked him about the drug of choice at West Virginia.

[Phobia]

The "reasoning" brought up by critics during the 2012 season usually had nothing to do with football.

There were some people (and several of his supporters like me and DJ's Left Nut) that brought up legit concerns about timing with his receivers and quicker decision making. A lot of people thought his footwork had to get settled down in order to get that rhythm and precision in his throws. That sort of thing.

You also had a lot of chuckleheads that just plain didn't like the dude from Day One. I even remember them refusing to give Geno Smith any credit whatsoever after his mammoth day against Marshall. If you asked what evidence they had to question his character and leadership, they said bullshit like, "He slapped a piece of tarp on the sideline! He has a vacant expression on his face after that interception! He's not sitting with his teammates while they're losing!" That's only when I and many others called people morons. And Black Bob. Definitely Black Bob.

I really don't care what he does or how he performs anymore. I stopped caring so much after the Alex Smith trade, and when it was confirmed that we picked Eric Fisher, I stopped giving a shit about Geno completely. The shit-chucking apes who had the exact same baseless leadership and character criticisms of Cam Newton are probably going to be correct about Geno's career in the NFL, but that doesn't mean they had brilliant football foresight to see this coming. For football fans (and absolutely GMs and coaches) you win some and you lose some when it comes to player predictions. But that doesn't mean one's dislike of the dude that formed your opinion is a valid way to go about predicting the amount of success a player will have in the pros.

After this incident, I gotta think that Geno's got some emotional issues that he seems unable to channel properly, and no doubt that can affect his preparation and play during games.

AKA: I was wrong but damned if I'm willing to admit it...

[salame]

http://extremelifechanger.com/web_images/nwo-903640.jpg

[Marcellus]

I'd argue Geno isn't a million $ talent. He's talented, but not wildly so.


No shit, I haven't seen this uber talent. He looks amazingly like Tony Banks.

Nice deep ball most of the time, a ton of fumbles and INTs, a little bit of pocket mobility and not much else.

Comparison made because of skillset, not color.

[Eleazar]

No shit, I haven't seen this uber talent. He looks amazingly like Tony Banks.

Nice deep ball most of the time, a ton of fumbles and INTs, a little bit of pocket mobility and not much else.

Comparison made because of skillset, not color.

I laughed the other day when I ran across one of his pre-draft scouting reports, and the current pro they compared him to was... Alex Smith.

In reality, Geno can only dream of becoming someone who is as secure with the ball and efficient as Alex Smith.

[BossChief]

If we had drafted Genome and won 8 games, people here wouldn't be mad.

[Messier]

If we had drafted Genome and won 8 games, people here wouldn't be mad.

The fact that Alex Smith being named a pro bowl alternate has filled the real fans with rage, because it reminds them of Cassel tells you all you need to know.

[Dave Lane]

I laughed the other day when I ran across one of his pre-draft scouting reports, and the current pro they compared him to was... Alex Smith.

In reality, Geno can only dream of becoming someone who is as secure with the ball and efficient as Alex Smith.

Geno Smith >>>>>> Alex Smith.

FACT.

[Dave Lane]

Not that I think Geno Smith is all that good. With his maturity issues he may well end up worse than Alex Smith but it will be a tough row to hoe.

[Easy 6]

No shit, I haven't seen this uber talent. He looks amazingly like Tony Banks.

OH SNAP LMAO

[Marcellus]

Geno Smith >>>>>> Alex Smith.

FACT.


:LOL:LMAO CP never fails to deliver true hilarity.

Not that I think Geno Smith is all that good. With his maturity issues he may well end up worse than Alex Smith but it will be a tough row to hoe.

What does this mean?

[Dave Lane]

:LOL:LMAO CP never fails to deliver true hilarity.



What does this mean?

It means compare rookie seasons between Alex and Geno. Not even close. If Geno doesn't progress Alex will end up being better. For a QB with as many years in the league as Alex, he has until the last year or two been very unimpressive. Geno would have to really continue to be a douche that makes no progress to not beat that track record.

So far Geno >>>>> Alex.

[RealSNR]

AKA: I was wrong but damned if I'm willing to admit it...

Ever play pool with a drunk asshole who makes a slop shot and then claims he's good at pool?

[BlackHelicopters]

Geno Smith >>>>>> Alex Smith.

FACT.

LMAO

[ThaVirus]

LMAO

I mean, he's right. After one season of their respective careers, Geno is definitely ahead..

Even now, anything that makes Alex a better QB than Geno comes from spending 7 (or however many NFL seasons under center). Alex reads a defense better and is more judicious in his actions but wouldn't you expect that from a QB with more than a decade worth of experience over another?

[Saul Good]

Ever play pool with a drunk asshole who makes a slop shot and then claims he's good at pool?

A few times. Then again, I've seen plenty of shitty basketball players get run off the court repeatedly who walk away thinking they are still the best players in the gym. Talking shit after getting your ass handed to you is never a good look.

[Marcellus]

I mean, he's right. After one season of their respective careers, Geno is definitely ahead..

Even now, anything that makes Alex a better QB than Geno comes from spending 7 (or however many NFL seasons under center). Alex reads a defense better and is more judicious in his actions but wouldn't you expect that from a QB with more than a decade worth of experience over another?

Let me help you, comparing 2 players worse seasons and saying Geno is better because it was just his first season is false logic. Its blatantly false.

Until Geno does something relevant that Alex or any other QB hasn't done he is in fact not better. Period.

I assume you are ready to say Luck is a better QB than Montana, Manning, Elway, Brady etc...as well.

[ThaVirus]

Let me help you, comparing 2 players worse seasons and saying Geno is better because it was just his first season is false logic. Its blatantly false.

Until Geno does something relevant that Alex or any other QB hasn't done he is in fact not better. Period.

I assume you are ready to say Luck is a better QB than Montana, Manning, Elway, Brady etc...as well.

Did you not read the thread? Dave clarified his position in one of his posts:

...If Geno doesn't progress Alex will end up being better...

So far Geno >>>>> Alex.

.. And I agree with that. Do you not?

[Messier]

It means compare rookie seasons between Alex and Geno. Not even close. If Geno doesn't progress Alex will end up being better. For a QB with as many years in the league as Alex, he has until the last year or two been very unimpressive. Geno would have to really continue to be a douche that makes no progress to not beat that track record.

So far Geno >>>>> Alex.

Well, no, you're comparing Geno to Alex 9 years ago. An Alex Smith that started 7 games, and sure wasn't ready, that in no way means Geno is or will be better, because who knows what path Geno will take.Personally I don't expect him to turn into what Alex is doing, but that's me. What you're saying is
Geno >>>>>>> 2005 Alex. And that means nothing.

[Easy 6]

Geno Smith > Winston Churchill

FACT

[Just Passin' By]

Did you not read the thread? Dave clarified his position in one of his posts:



.. And I agree with that. Do you not?

How the hell can you agree with something that stupid?

[Marcellus]

.. And I agree with that. Do you not?



What you're saying is
Geno >>>>>>> 2005 Alex. And that means nothing.


This is not difficult to understand. Comparing 2 bad rookie seasons will not tell you who will be a better QB down the road.

There are so many variables that go into 1 season compared to another its practically impossible anyway.

All I can tell you is this, seeing Geno play this year and seeing his actions, body language, and demenor, I don't see a reason to be overly optomistic.

[Dave Lane]

Let me help you, comparing 2 players worse seasons and saying Geno is better because it was just his first season is false logic. Its blatantly false.

Until Geno does something relevant that Alex or any other QB hasn't done he is in fact not better. Period.

I assume you are ready to say Luck is a better QB than Montana, Manning, Elway, Brady etc...as well.

So far Geno >>> Alex period end of discussion. Where Geno goes from here is up to him. But rookie season to rookie season Geno is the clear winner.

[Marcellus]

So far Geno >>> Alex period end of discussion. Where Geno goes from here is up to him. But rookie season to rookie season Geno is the clear winner.

Clear winner of an imaginary competition in your head? Good grief dude.

Does he get a trophy for that or like a Subway gift card?

[ThaVirus]

This is not difficult to understand. Comparing 2 bad rookie seasons will not tell you who will be a better QB down the road.

There are so many variables that go into 1 season compared to another its practically impossible anyway.

All I can tell you is this, seeing Geno play this year and seeing his actions, body language, and demenor, I don't see a reason to be overly optomistic.

I never said it did. I was responding to a post that someone made laughing at the idea that Geno's rookie season was better than Alex's..

It's not difficult to understand.

[Messier]

So far Geno >>> Alex period end of discussion. Where Geno goes from here is up to him. But rookie season to rookie season Geno is the clear winner.

How do you you compare the two? Just stats? Geno started twice as many games.

[Just Passin' By]

So far Geno >>> Alex period end of discussion. Where Geno goes from here is up to him. But rookie season to rookie season Geno is the clear winner.

This is asinine. The best you've got, even leaving out a boatload of variables, is

"2013 Geno Smith > 2005 Alex Smith".


That, in no way, equates to Geno >>> Alex, and pretending it does is idiocy of the highest order.

[Dave Lane]

This is asinine. The best you've got, even leaving out a boatload of variables, is

"2013 Geno Smith > 2005 Alex Smith".


That, in no way, equates to Geno >>> Alex, and pretending it does is idiocy of the highest order.

Rookie season to rookie season straight up. Theres nothing more fair.

[Messier]

Rookie season to rookie season straight up. Theres nothing more fair.

Rookie season to rookie season

Geno>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aaron Rogers

[splatbass]

Rookie season to rookie season straight up. Theres nothing more fair.

You realize that Alex Smith today is nothing like Alex Smith in his rookie season right? Is this 2005 or 2014? Are you smoking crack?

Right now Alex Smith is better than Geno Smith, in 2014, no contest. Put down the crackpipe.

[BossChief]

Lets do our best to compare the two in similar situations, shall we?

How about we try to compare the 2 quarterbacks production against the same opponents...here are the 4 shared opponents they both had. With similar opponents, I used the first matchup in the season series because a second matchup isn't offered to both teams.

Geno went 3-1 in these matchups while Alex went 4-0..edge Alex in the win column.

Lets move on to passing yards...

Buffalo ...Alex had 124 yards...Geno had 331.
Tennessee ...Alex had 245...Geno had 289.
Oakland...Alex had 128...Geno had 219.
Cleveland ...Alex had 225...Geno had 214.

So, going strictly by passing yards, Geno wins and it's not even close.

Geno threw for 1053 yards and won those games by a combined scoring output of 101 points
Alex threw for 722 yards and went 3-1 with a combined offensive scoring output of 96 points.

Advantage Geno.

Now, lets compare scoring output.

In those 4 games, the Jets put up 101 points.
In those same 4 games, the Chiefs scored 96 points.

Slight advantage to Geno...even though he didnt have Jamaal Charles.

[BossChief]

Lets keep going by comparing TD to INT ratio.

For those 4 games, Alex had 2 touchdown passes and 1 pick
For those games, Geno had 6td passes and 5 picks

I think that's probably a push, maybe a slight advantage to Geno for getting the ball into the endzone.

Lets move on to total QBR. This is a sliding scale from 0-100, so adding the 4 totals together should give us a fairly accurate assessment of how they did overall against these 4 opponents.

Geno Smith scored a combined total of 264 out of a possible 400...an average of 66 total QBR.
Alex Smith scores a combined total of 133.8..an average of just 33.45 when NFL average is about 50.

In this category (which probably is best best way to gauge overall effectiveness of the way the player plays the position) Geno completely blows Alex away.
...shit, he basically had DOUBLE THE EFFECTIVENESS AGAINST THE SAME TEAMS...AND THAT WAS WITH GENOS SCORE BEING DRAGGED DOWN A BIT WITH ONLY A 7 total QBR against Tennesee.

Tell me some more about how much Geno Smith sucks and Alex is the awesome.

[Eleazar]

So, when was the last time a franchise QB got thrown off an airplane and out of an airport for showing his ass?

[J Diddy]

Check me off for the box that includes couldn't care less.

[Marcellus]

I am laughing my ass off at Boss right now. You will barely remember Geno Smith in 3 years just like Sanchez.

Bank on it.

[Messier]

Lets keep going by comparing TD to INT ratio.

For those 4 games, Alex had 2 touchdown passes and 1 pick
For those games, Geno had 6td passes and 5 picks

I think that's probably a push, maybe a slight advantage to Geno for getting the ball into the endzone.

Lets move on to total QBR. This is a sliding scale from 0-100, so adding the 4 totals together should give us a fairly accurate assessment of how they did overall against these 4 opponents.

Geno Smith scored a combined total of 264 out of a possible 400...an average of 66 total QBR.
Alex Smith scores a combined total of 133.8..an average of just 33.45 when NFL average is about 50.

In this category (which probably is best best way to gauge overall effectiveness of the way the player plays the position) Geno completely blows Alex away.
...shit, he basically had DOUBLE THE EFFECTIVENESS AGAINST THE SAME TEAMS...AND THAT WAS WITH GENOS SCORE BEING DRAGGED DOWN A BIT WITH ONLY A 7 total QBR against Tennesee.

Tell me some more about how much Geno Smith sucks and Alex is the awesome.

Geno Smith was the worst starting QB in the NFL in 2013.

[Messier]

Also, I noticed of the two games against Oakland you went with Alex's weaker game, stat wise.

[Messier]

And ignored Geno's Buffalo game where he threw 106 yards and three picks. Hmmmm

[tk13]

Yeah, but the stats don't lie. Geno was far better this season.

On passes where Geno Smith threw a touchdown this season, he was 12-12 for 12 TDs, 0 INT.

On passes where Alex Smith threw an incompletion, he was 0-200 with 0 TD, 7 INT. That's terrible.

Case closed.

[splatbass]

You can argue who the best QB was in their first year in the NFL, but the bottom line is which QB would you want starting for the Chiefs in 2014?

There is absolutely no question that answer is Alex Smith.

[BossChief]

I am laughing my ass off at Boss right now. You will barely remember Geno Smith in 3 years just like Sanchez.

Bank on it.

1)I never wanted Sanchez.

2)If you want to throw something at me, just go with Clausen or Stanzi.

3) I'm just having fun twisting stats, is all. I might even order an Alex Smith jersey. Seriously.

[tk13]

Geno Smith was undefeated in games he won.

Alex Smith was 0-6 in games he lost, including the playoffs. Who wants a QB like that? Geno didn't lose a playoff game this year.

[BossChief]

Geno Smith was the worst starting QB in the NFL in 2013.
Not over the course of the last 4 games, he wasn't.
Also, I noticed of the two games against Oakland you went with Alex's weaker game, stat wise.

I went with the first matchups of the year. I said this in the first post.

Would you like me to make it best case scenario for Alex Smith?

Alex gets the other Raider game and Geno gets the other Buffalo game....?

It probably closes the gap a bit.

Gimme a few.

[Messier]

Not over the course of the last 4 games, he wasn't.


I went with the first matchups of the year. I said this in the first post.

Would you like me to make it best case scenario for Alex Smith?

Alex gets the other Raider game and Geno gets the other Buffalo game....?

It probably closes the gap a bit.

Gimme a few.

Over the season he was. Geno is bad.

[tk13]

This whole argument is weird because the 2nd half of the season is when Alex really turned it on. He had great numbers in the 2nd half + playoffs after Reid turned him loose. 63% passing, 7+ yards/attempt, 18 TD/3 INT over 8 games. Those are fantastic numbers.

[BossChief]

Geno loses 228 passing yards by using the other Buffalo game. He also loses 2tds and gains a pick. Geno loses 85 points in total QBR.

Alex Smith gains 159 yards and also gains 5tds. He also raises his total combined QBR totals by 68.4 points.

Final totals against identical opponents:

Passing yards

Alex 881
Geno 825

QBR

Alex 202
Geno 176

TD:INT

Alex 7:1
Geno 4:6

[ThaVirus]

This whole argument is weird because the 2nd half of the season is when Alex really turned it on. He had great numbers in the 2nd half + playoffs after Reid turned him loose. 63% passing, 7+ yards/attempt, 18 TD/3 INT over 8 games. Those are fantastic numbers.

That's why I've laid off of my Alex Smith bashing lately.

I'd be a lying ass bitch if I said I wasn't excited to see what he's (and our offense as a whole) capable of next season.

[BossChief]

This whole argument is weird because the 2nd half of the season is when Alex really turned it on. He had great numbers in the 2nd half + playoffs after Reid turned him loose. 63% passing, 7+ yards/attempt, 18 TD/3 INT over 8 games. Those are fantastic numbers.

Like I said, I like Alex and wouldn't trade Alex for him right now, if given the chance. If that means I was wrong,...then I was wrong. Not a big deal, been wrong before and will be wrong again.

This whole numbers thing is me having a little fun trying to find a fair comparison and I think this is about as good as could be asked for in terms of fair comparison of the two players.

[BossChief]

Over the season he was. Geno is bad.

He was a rookie on a team without even one pro bowler.

Alex is a 29 year old vet on a team with 10 probowlers

[Deberg_1990]

Such a silly argument at this point. Geno might not even be a starter at the beginning of next season.

[Messier]

He was a rookie on a team without a single pro bowler.

Alex is a 29 year old vet on a team with 10 probowlers

Would you trade them right now?

[Deberg_1990]

People act like the Chiefs passed over Andrew Luck.


Good grief.

[BossChief]

Would you trade them right now?

Like I said, I like Alex and wouldn't trade Alex for him right now, if given the chance. If that means I was wrong,...then I was wrong. Not a big deal, been wrong before and will be wrong again.

This whole numbers thing is me having a little fun trying to find a fair comparison and I think this is about as good as could be asked for in terms of fair comparison of the two players.

Reading is important when on a message board.

[Hammock Parties]

mama said there'd be days like dis oh lawd

[Messier]

I'm sorry. The, I know he was bad, but he's just a rookie, thing, doesn't fly. Not today where it seems if you're going to be an NFL QB, you show it immediately. College prepares these kids so much better than they did 10 or fifteen years ago. Geno is a mildly talented athletic QB. There are backups around the league that can do what he does.

[Dave Lane]

Such a silly argument at this point. Geno might not even be a starter at the beginning of next season.

I agree Geno will probably wash out most QBs do. Reid made the right decision to go with Alex. If Geno was playing Angry Birds during his interview with Andy there was no other choice.

[Messier]

Reading is important when on a message board.

Sorry. I skipped around. Just don't understand holding on to the Geno dream. I liked Geno, and I realized I was wrong half way through his last year at WV. The sulking, and poor play when pressured. Just kind of hit me, he's not special, he won't be a great QB, He's not worth the first pick. I let it go. And when he went to the Jets any lingering interest I had, vanished.

[BossChief]

I wanted us to draft Geno at 1 and to sit him at least one full season and was fine that we traded for Alex Smith...I just thought we overpaid and could have gotten Smith for less than we paid. After his first year and the way he stepped up makes me think we got a bargain, hindsight being 50/50 and all.

I said over and over that I didn't think Geno was ready to start right away and would need to sit.

I also think NY is about the worst place he could have went in terms of talent surrounding him and coaching support. Rex was dead set on playing Sanchez until he put him in a useless position and got him injured.

That team was a circus and seemed like a lock to be drafting in the top five and they almost made the playoffs.

[Simply Red]

Geno Smith Escorted off airplane by police for verbal altercation.



... & Chiefs Planet loved this guy, yep.

[Chief Roundup]

I wanted us to draft Geno at 1 and to sit him at least one full season and was fine that we traded for Alex Smith...I just thought we overpaid and could have gotten Smith for less than we paid. After his first year and the way he stepped up makes me think we got a bargain, hindsight being 50/50 and all.

I said over and over that I didn't think Geno was ready to start right away and would need to sit.

I also think NY is about the worst place he could have went in terms of talent surrounding him and coaching support. Rex was dead set on playing Sanchez until he put him in a useless position and got him injured.

That team was a circus and seemed like a lock to be drafting in the top five and they almost made the playoffs.

You don't draft a player at 1.1 and let them set for a year. If you do that then you reached for the player you took with that pick. To have taken him that high would have been reached by a couple of rounds if it wasn't for the Jets idiocy.

[Eleazar]

People act like the Chiefs passed over Andrew Luck.


Good grief.

Well, Andrew Luck was just a #1 overall pick. The Geno baiters shouted until they were blue in the face that Geno was worth the #1 overall pick.

[Jimmya]

Plenty of time left to judge Geno, Luck, and Smith.

[BigCatDaddy]

Plenty of time left to judge Geno, Luck, and Smith.

You moran. Every great QB lit up the league from day 1.

[Messier]

You moran. Every great QB lit up the league from day 1.

No they didn't , but right now the people that thought Geno is nothing special have more evidence to back them up than those holding out hope that he gets a lot better.

[Shox]

Most of the Geno supporters during the draft days are hard to find. Thank you, thank you, thank you Chiefs brass for saying no thank you to Geno!!!!!!

He will never be a winner.

[Marcellus]

You moran. Every great QB lit up the league from day 1.

How many got kicked of a plane for being a douchebag?

[philfree]

No they didn't , but right now the people that thought Geno is nothing special have more evidence to back them up than those holding out hope that he gets a lot better.

Yeah but why?

[Mav]

You moran. Every great QB lit up the league from day 1.

Geno? Is that you?

ROFL

Ladies and Gentlemen.

This is the worlds biggest Geno Ball washer.

LOL. Just playing BCD.

[Eleazar]

How many got kicked of a plane for being a douchebag?

I bet Peyton Manning and Tom Brady cause disturbances in airports, get kicked off airplanes, and get security called on them wherever they go.

[vailpass]

I wouldn't have that entitled punk on my team even if he was worth a shit as a qb..

[BigCatDaddy]

No they didn't , but right now the people that thought Geno is nothing special have more evidence to back them up than those holding out hope that he gets a lot better.

What do you mean by "special"? Top 10 ability? Top 15 ability? Top 20 ability?

[Dave Lane]

Well, Andrew Luck was just a #1 overall pick. The Geno baiters shouted until they were blue in the face that Geno was worth the #1 overall pick.

How in any way would he be worse than Fisher?

[BigCatDaddy]

How in any way would he be worse than Fisher?

"right now the people that thought Fisher is nothing special have more evidence to back them up than those holding out hope that he gets a lot better"

[Eleazar]

How in any way would he be worse than Fisher?

Well, Fisher isn't an entitled beach and will likely become a servicable pro who will have a long NFL career.

[BigCatDaddy]

Well, Fisher isn't an entitled beach and will likely become a <b>servicable</b> pro who will have a long NFL career.

Ahh, the word every fan dreams of hearing their #1 overall described as.

[Eleazar]

**** you, flight attendant! No way am I turning off my iphone! You're willing to re-book me even after I was thrown off a flight, but I have to wait 10 minutes? **** you gate attendant! This is some bull ****! Why is security here? IT'S ALL BECAUSE I'M BLACK!

Yeah, I can totally see the franchise QB of an NFL team acting like that.

[BigCatDaddy]

**** you, flight attendant! No way am I turning off my iphone! You're willing to re-book me even after I was thrown off a flight, but I have to wait 10 minutes? **** you gate attendant! This is some bull ****! Why is security here? IT'S ALL BECAUSE I'M BLACK!

Yeah, I can totally see the franchise QB of an NFL team acting like that.

You prefer they send dick picks or walk out of jail the next day with a stogey do ya?

[Dave Lane]

"right now the people that thought Fisher is nothing special have more evidence to back them up than those holding out hope that he gets a lot better"

My favorite part is when he was injured for the playoff game after a full year people were relieved we were playing his backup. #winning

[htismaqe]

Well, Fisher isn't an entitled beach and will likely become a servicable pro who will have a long NFL career.

Based on what? Pure hope?

[-King-]

I don't know why people keep bringing up Fisher. If give the choice between Geno and Fisher now, I'd just forfeit the pick.

[Marcellus]

Fisher having a bad year. Makes it ok for Geno to be a douchebag bust.

Duh.

[htismaqe]

Fisher having a bad year. Makes it ok for Geno to be a douchebag bust.

Duh.

Anybody that says that is a moron. The two are completely independent of each other.

I love how you downplay Fisher though.

[Messier]

What do you mean by "special"? Top 10 ability? Top 15 ability? Top 20 ability?

Starting job not in danger, special.

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

Rex is going to love the What I did over the off season break papers from Geno and Winslow

[Sorter]

Starting job not in danger, special.

If we could resign Albert it would be.

[Messier]

If we could resign Albert it would be.

? I'm talking about Geno Smith.

[Sorter]

? I'm talking about Geno Smith.

*smacks head into wall*

[BigCatDaddy]

Starting job not in danger, special.

Who is threatening to take his job as opening day starter?

[BigCatDaddy]

? I'm talking about Geno Smith.

Wasn't it you that said you never watched a single Jets game and couldn't care less about Geno Smith? I think so, but that couldn't be since you are usually amongst the post leaders in Geno related threads.

[Messier]

Who is threatening to take his job as opening day starter?

Right now? No one. I'd be somewhat shocked if they didn't bring in some viable competition.

Even you, have to admit, there were several times last season, Ryan would've been more than justified in benching Smith. There was no one to turn to.

[BigCatDaddy]

Right now? No one. I'd be somewhat shocked if they didn't bring in some viable competition.

Even you, have to admit, there were several times last season, Ryan would've been more than justified in benching Smith. There was no one to turn to.

Yeah, he didn't cement himself as a franchise guy so I would expect them to keep options open for competition or at least a decent backup vet as a fallback plan. At this point I think they expect him to be opening day starter next year and a much improved player after a year of experience and likely getting some decent weapons for him to use.

[Messier]

Wasn't it you that said you never watched a single Jets game and couldn't care less about Geno Smith? I think so, but that couldn't be since you are usually amongst the post leaders in Geno related threads.

No. I didn't say that. I did watch a few Jets games. And I do seem to post the most in Geno threads. It's because I don't understand the Geno love. Before the draft when some believed he was gonna take the NFL by storm, sure. But now?

Unless you care about the Jets, the only reason to keep defending him and holding out hope that I can see is to, A. Vindicate your opinion that he's good or B. Justify being angry that the Chiefs didn't take him.

If it's just that you're a Jets fan, nevermind.

[Messier]

Yeah, he didn't cement himself as a franchise guy so I would expect them to keep options open for competition or at least a decent backup vet as a fallback plan. At this point I think they expect him to be opening day starter next year and a much improved player after a year of experience and likely getting some decent weapons for him to use.

Okay, but that's what I'm saying. I don't think the job IS Geno's. He became starter by default . I think they'll keep looking for a better option. When I say nothing special. I mean The Jets won't say Geno is the man for the next five years.

[Chaunceythe3rd]

Big deal. Geno Smith, gets in verbal altercation, people freak out. Roethlisburger rapes people, nobody cares.

This. Great observation.

[vailpass]

You prefer they send dick picks or walk out of jail the next day with a stogey do ya?

Dick pics are nbd. It's sending them when you're sporting a roll of dimes like Favre that is the party foul...

[Dave Lane]

Dick pics are nbd. It's sending them when you're sporting a roll of dimes like Favre that is the party foul...

LMAOLMAO

[Marcellus]

Anybody that says that is a moron. The two are completely independent of each other.

I love how you downplay Fisher though.

What? I have never said I liked that pick, I wanted defense so I have no dog in that fight.

I was making the point that using Fisher's play as an excuse for Geno's behavior and play is fucking stupid. They don't have jack or shit to do with each other.

Geno's issues on and off the field are relevant to the discussion involving the CP pack who called everyone who didn't want him at 1.1 an idiot or True Fan.

Those that continue to try to defend him just continue to look dumber and dumber.

[vailpass]

LMAOLMAO

Hey Dave, how you livin'?
Question for you as the high powered Galaxy gazer you are: you know anything about using binoculars to look at the moon and other close celestial bodies? I'm going to buy a pair but don't know what brand is best. I know aperture is important (size DOES matter apparently) but I don't want one of those huge deals that require a tripod. Just something quality thati can share with guests.
If this sort of amateur pursuit is below you I'll thank you in advance for not scoffing...

[WhiteWhale]

You moran. Every great QB lit up the league from day 1.

Drew Brees in particular was amazing.

[BigCatDaddy]

Okay, but that's what I'm saying. I don't think the job IS Geno's. He became starter by default . I think they'll keep looking for a better option. When I say nothing special. I mean The Jets won't say Geno is the man for the next five years.

I think the job is Geno's to lose, but they will and should have a fall back plan with a Cassell/Fitzpatrick type vet. The arrow was pointing up on Geno and the Jets the last quarter of the season so that's why they brought Ryan back and most likely will try to build around Geno and build upon the early success.

[Messier]

I think the job is Geno's to lose, but they will and should have a fall back plan with a Cassell/Fitzpatrick type vet. The arrow was pointing up on Geno and the Jets the last quarter of the season so that's why they brought Ryan back and most likely will try to build around Geno and build upon the early success.

It was pointing up from as low as you can get.

Bottom line, I don't really care about Geno or his success or failure. I think the Chiefs have the right QB.

[BigCatDaddy]

It was pointing up from as low as you can get.

Bottom line, I don't really care about Geno or his success or failure. I think the Chiefs have the right QB.

He played well. I'm not going to repeat all of Boss's good points.

I'm not sold yet but I hope your right about Alex. It will be interesting to how things shake out if he gets better targets but also with a likely more difficult schedule.

[Messier]

What makes me optimistic is Alex played his best against the best teams this year.

[BandwagonChiefsFan]

Geno is acting like Terrel Owens but without the talent

[BossChief]

I love how Alex Smith gets praise for his playoff game that got him a 81.7 total QBR...but Geno is a hopeless and worthless bust even though he ended the year with better total qbrs in 3 of his last 4 games.

The guy had some terrible games, but he also ended the year with a really good run that almost got his team into the playoffs.

[Dave Lane]

What makes me optimistic is Alex played his best against the best teams this year.

Say what? Ummm gee this is awkward. You got a list of those "good" teams? I recall a good game against San Diego and thats it.

[BossChief]

Alex Smiths best 5 games by total QBR

90.7 Oakland game
81.9 playoff game
79.4 SD
78 against Washington
72.2 Houston

A total of 332.2

Genos top 5 games by total QBR

90.7 Miami
87.3 raiders
85.8 buffalo
83.1 Cleveland
73.2 Atlanta

A total of 420.1

When they are both on the top of their games, Geno plays at a higher level according to total QBR.

It also seems that Alex's games were against lesser defenses...Geno seemed to do quite well against some of the NFLs best defenses once he settled in.