Who Got Beat Up the Most?

[gblowfish]

Been watching an ESPN special about Archie Manning's life. Have a lot of respect for him. He played 14 seasons and never had a winning season.

Got me thinking, which NFL QBs do you think took the worst beatings during their career? Guys I would nominate, Archie would be number one:

Also:

Vinny Testaverde
Steve DeBerg
David Carr
Neil Lomax

Any nominees?

[Rams Fan]

Marc Bulger

[stonedstooge]

Byron Leftwich. Never have I seen a quarterback get lit up play after play after play. Seems like every time he released the ball he had a helmet buried in his chest about 0.5 seconds later

[TambaBerry]

David Carr got fucked who knew what the guy could do coming into that shit team.

[gblowfish]

It's an interesting question, because the QB would have to be good enough to stay in the league a long time, but play on teams with terrible offensive lines that gave up a lot of sacks. Those two things are usually opposites, bad lines get QB's killed, and knocked out of the league eventually.

I think Chad Pennington might be another nominee.

[Rain Man]

Roethlisberger takes a lot of hits, and that's not even counting courtroom proceedings. However, it's hard to pick any modern-era QB.

[TimBone]

David Carr's career is buried somewhere near the 50 yard line in Reliant Stadium, so I'll go with him. Leftwich is a good mention too, though.

[Deberg_1990]

Steve McNair was always known as being tough.
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[Brock]

Google turkey jones sacks bradshaw. It's godawful.

[Kaepernick]

Been watching an ESPN special about Archie Manning's life. Have a lot of respect for him. He played 14 seasons and never had a winning season.

Got me thinking, which NFL QBs do you think took the worst beatings during their career? Guys I would nominate, Archie would be number one:

Also:

Vinny Testaverde
Steve DeBerg
David Carr
Neil Lomax

Any nominees?

Jim Kelly. Empty handed after 4 straight trips to the super bowl. It just doesn't get any worse than that.

[TEX]

IMO, Manning got beat up worse than anyone. He played for some really bad Saints teams than got traded to a worse Houston Oilers team. Sad...

[Rain Man]

The 25 most-sacked QBs in NFL history:

Player*(age if still active)
Brett Favre 525
John Elway+ 516
Dave Krieg 494
Randall Cunningham 484
Phil Simms 477
Drew Bledsoe 467
Warren Moon+ 458
Vinny Testaverde 417
Donovan McNabb 410
Ken Anderson 398
Archie Manning 396
Mark Brunell 390
Ben Roethlisberger*(30) 386
Chris Chandler 380
Jim Plunkett 380
Craig Morton 373
Ron Jaworski 363
Neil Lomax 362
Jim Harbaugh 361
Jeff George 358
Steve Young+ 358
Steve Bartkowski 356
Ken O'Brien 353
Tom Brady*(35) 343
Matt Hasselbeck*(37) 342

[milkman]

A QB didn't have to play for bad teams with poor O-Lines to take a lot of hits.

Johhny Unitas and Kurt Warner stood in the pocket waiting for big plays to open up, and they consistently took a pummeling.

[chefsos]

I tried to come up with someone else just to be contrary, maybe Randall Cunningham. He has the reputation of being Superman but he was sacked a LOT. I remember his first year, when Jaworski got in a 3rd and forever situation, Buddy Ryan would throw Randall out there to the wolves, just to see if he could do something.

But, it has to be Archie. Every time I ever saw him he was just running for his life.

[cosmo20002]

Been watching an ESPN special about Archie Manning's life. Have a lot of respect for him. He played 14 seasons and never had a winning season.

Got me thinking, which NFL QBs do you think took the worst beatings during their career? Guys I would nominate, Archie would be number one:



He started 45 games over his last 5 seasons.
Record: 4-41
Holy crap

[Rain Man]

Among QBs who played 5 or more seasons, here are the 25 QBs who took the most sacks per season.

One could make a pretty good argument for Drew Bledsoe as an immobile QB who played a long time and took a lot of sacks every year. Or maybe you just go with Lomax even though his career was shorter. I don't remember him as being a running QB; anyone else recall?


QB (age if still active) Total Sacks Sacks Per Season Years # of Seasons
Player*(age), + - HOFer,*Bold*- Active Sk Sacks Per Year Years Seasons
Neil Lomax 362 45.3 *1981-1988* 8
Ben Roethlisberger*(30) 386 38.6 *2004-2013* 10
Joe Flacco*(27) 222 37.0 *2008-2013* 6
Ken O'Brien 353 35.3 *1984-1993* 10
Aaron Brooks 235 33.6 *2000-2006* 7
Drew Bledsoe 467 33.4 *1993-2006* 14
Tim Couch 166 33.2 *1999-2003* 5
John Elway+ 516 32.3 *1983-1998* 16
Phil Simms 477 31.8 *1979-1993* 15
Marc Bulger 254 31.8 *2002-2009* 8
Donovan McNabb 410 31.5 *1999-2011* 13
Jeff George 358 29.8 *1990-2001* 12
Steve Bartkowski 356 29.7 *1975-1986* 12
Jim Kelly+ 323 29.4 *1986-1996* 11
Randall Cunningham 484 28.5 *1985-2001* 17
Roger Staubach+ 313 28.5 *1969-1979* 11
Jake Plummer 284 28.4 *1997-2006* 10
Joe Theismann 340 28.3 *1974-1985* 12
Archie Manning 396 28.3 *1971-1984* 14
Jay Cutler*(29) 218 27.3 *2006-2013* 8
Daunte Culpepper 298 27.1 *1999-2009* 11
Warren Moon+ 458 26.9 *1984-2000* 17
Richard Todd 264 26.4 *1976-1985* 10
Brett Favre 525 26.3 *1991-2010* 20
Matt Ryan*(27) 157 26.2 *2008-2013* 6

[Deberg_1990]

The 25 most-sacked QBs in NFL history:

Player*(age if still active)
Brett Favre 525
John Elway+ 516
Dave Krieg 494
Randall Cunningham 484
Phil Simms 477
Drew Bledsoe 467
Warren Moon+ 458
Vinny Testaverde 417
Donovan McNabb 410
Ken Anderson 398
Archie Manning 396
Mark Brunell 390
Ben Roethlisberger*(30) 386
Chris Chandler 380
Jim Plunkett 380
Craig Morton 373
Ron Jaworski 363
Neil Lomax 362
Jim Harbaugh 361
Jeff George 358
Steve Young+ 358
Steve Bartkowski 356
Ken O'Brien 353
Tom Brady*(35) 343
Matt Hasselbeck*(37) 342

Noticed no Marino and Manning, both known for their quick releases.
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[BigMeatballDave]

David Carr's career is buried somewhere near the 50 yard line in Reliant Stadium, so I'll go with him. Leftwich is a good mention too, though.

He never had a career. He sucked because he just plain sucked.

[Deberg_1990]

I guess Montana and Tom Brady didn't take many sacks either?
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[Pepe Silvia]

I remember Stan Humphries getting his head bashed in quite a bit.

[chefsos]

Among QBs who played 5 or more seasons, here are the 25 QBs who took the most sacks per season.


QB (age if still active) Total Sacks Sacks Per Season Years # of Seasons
Player*(age), + - HOFer,*Bold*- Active Sk Sacks Per Year Years Seasons
Neil Lomax 362 45.3 *1981-1988* 8
Ben Roethlisberger*(30) 386 38.6 *2004-2013* 10
Joe Flacco*(27) 222 37.0 *2008-2013* 6
Ken O'Brien 353 35.3 *1984-1993* 10
Aaron Brooks 235 33.6 *2000-2006* 7
Drew Bledsoe 467 33.4 *1993-2006* 14
Tim Couch 166 33.2 *1999-2003* 5
John Elway+ 516 32.3 *1983-1998* 16
Phil Simms 477 31.8 *1979-1993* 15
Marc Bulger 254 31.8 *2002-2009* 8
Donovan McNabb 410 31.5 *1999-2011* 13
Jeff George 358 29.8 *1990-2001* 12
Steve Bartkowski 356 29.7 *1975-1986* 12
Jim Kelly+ 323 29.4 *1986-1996* 11
Randall Cunningham 484 28.5 *1985-2001* 17
Roger Staubach+ 313 28.5 *1969-1979* 11
Jake Plummer 284 28.4 *1997-2006* 10
Joe Theismann 340 28.3 *1974-1985* 12
Archie Manning 396 28.3 *1971-1984* 14
Jay Cutler*(29) 218 27.3 *2006-2013* 8
Daunte Culpepper 298 27.1 *1999-2009* 11
Warren Moon+ 458 26.9 *1984-2000* 17
Richard Todd 264 26.4 *1976-1985* 10
Brett Favre 525 26.3 *1991-2010* 20
Matt Ryan*(27) 157 26.2 *2008-2013* 6
I don't remember Lomax getting hit so much. Then again, he probably doesn't either.

Aside: I mostly remember Neil Lomax and that run and shoot 1980 Portland State team ambushing my hometown Delaware State 105-0. That's not a typo.

[Rain Man]

Noticed no Marino and Manning, both known for their quick releases.
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Here's an interesting coincidence. Marino and PManning have each been sacked exactly 270 times in their careers as of the end of 2013. They're tied for 48th most sacks.

Out of 253 QBs who have taken at least 50 sacks in their career, Marino is ranked 122nd in sacks per game and PManning is 113th.

[Rain Man]

I guess Montana and Tom Brady didn't take many sacks either?
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85th-most sacks per game for Montana
45th for Brady. He takes more hits than most per season.

I should note that these stats don't account for injuries, so for example Brady's stats are diluted by the fact that he missed almost a full season for injuries.

[Rasputin]

Steve Deberg played with a broken pinky finger. I was at the game, he it it on a helmet playing against the Houston Oilers and they showed it over and over on the jumbo tron.

[Rasputin]

Quarterbacks that went into the most fetal position.


Off the top of my head I'd say

Damon Huard

Matt Cassell

[Rain Man]

Among QBs who have taken at least 50 sacks in their careers, the fewest yielded per season is mostly a bunch of guys who were career backups with notable playing time. I suspect that a bunch of old-timers aren't getting all of their sacks counted, too.

This list probably doesn't mean much.


QB (age if active) Sacks Sacks/Season Years Seasons
Earl Morrall 58 2.8 *1956-1976* 21
Pat Ryan 50 3.6 *1978-1991* 14
Bart Starr+ 59 3.7 *1956-1971* 16
Jeff Rutledge 52 3.7 *1979-1992* 14
John Reaves 63 3.9 *1972-1987* 16
Johnny Unitas+ 74 4.1 *1956-1973* 18
Jack Concannon 50 4.2 *1964-1975* 12
Todd Collins 67 4.2 *1995-2010* 16
Tony Adams 59 4.5 *1975-1987* 13
Bob Gagliano 50 4.5 *1982-1992* 11
Matt Cavanaugh 60 4.6 *1979-1991* 13
Bill Munson 74 4.6 *1964-1979* 16
Frank Reich 68 4.9 *1985-1998* 14
Bill Nelsen 50 5.0 *1963-1972* 10
Steve Bono 76 5.1 *1985-1999* 15
Sonny Jurgensen+ 94 5.2 *1957-1974* 18
Doug Flutie 107 5.4 *1986-2005* 20
Gary Cuozzo 55 5.5 *1963-1972* 10
Bobby Scott 51 5.7 *1973-1981* 9
Norm Snead 94 5.9 *1961-1976* 16
Daryle Lamonica 72 6.0 *1963-1974* 12
Ty Detmer 67 6.1 *1993-2003* 11
Jeff Kemp 68 6.2 *1981-1991* 11
Vince Evans 118 6.2 *1977-1995* 19
Scott Hunter 58 6.4 *1971-1979* 9

[Baby Lee]

I tried to come up with someone else just to be contrary, maybe Randall Cunningham. He has the reputation of being Superman but he was sacked a LOT. I remember his first year, when Jaworski got in a 3rd and forever situation, Buddy Ryan would throw Randall out there to the wolves, just to see if he could do something.

But, it has to be Archie. Every time I ever saw him he was just running for his life.

I probably feel worst for Randall as well.

I was thinking about him when was thinking about what QB I would want from all time is I were starting a new, but real talented team. I mean ready to succeed.

I tend to think the trend is QBs getting better, but he was a real specimen with unrivaled running and passing skills, maybe Steve Young.

Remember, he had a great later chapter with Minnesota performance-wise. But team is as cursed as we are.

I'm not talking about most accomplished, but who you'd most like to build your franchise around.

[Aries Walker]

Ron Jaworski. I remember him taking some vicious hits, the kind where his head snaps back and limbs go flying. Other times, he got planted in the dirt like a tent peg.

[Jimmya]

Agree on Jim Kelly

[gblowfish]

Montana and Favre both took some vicious hits in their careers, that's for sure.

[big nasty kcnut]

The guy that got beat without being sacked that much is mcnair he took a pounding alot.

[JohnnyHammersticks]

Joe Theismann's tibia and fibula both vote for Joe Theismann.

[Ragged Robin]

I think Alex got sacked 55 times in back to back seasons or something like that and was a rag doll before Harbaugh got there, he should be considered in the conversation ROFL

[Saccopoo]

Steve Deberg played with a broken pinky finger. I was at the game, he it it on a helmet playing against the Houston Oilers and they showed it over and over on the jumbo tron.

I was there as well. Reset it in the locker room, taped it up, and he came back out and played the second half if I remember correctly.

Tough SOB.

[In58men]

David Carr

Trent Green looked dead on the field

Steve Young took some blows

Brett Favre

[greatgooglymoogly]

It's been almost eight years, and I still think Trent Green has to tilt his head just a bit to keep his brain from pouring out.

[In58men]

It's been almost eight years, and I still think Trent Green has to tilt his head just a bit to keep his brain from pouring out.

ROFL ROFL ROFL


It's fucking mush

[cdcox]

I think Alex got sacked 55 times in back to back seasons or something like that and was a rag doll before Harbaugh got there, he should be considered in the conversation ROFL

Never more than 44 in a season and half of those were "designed sacks".

[tomahawkchop25]

it's elway. number of sacks per year for 16 years.. most consistently beat up qb in history.

[Dayze]

Jim Kelly. Empty handed after 4 straight trips to the super bowl. It just doesn't get any worse than that.

This. How he hasn't killed himself is beyond me.

The start of the over-valuation of Parcells.

[mcaj22]

didn't troy aikman get crushed one times too many. that league of denial report where he's alone in a dark hospital room as the entire city is celebrating the NFC championship is crazy.

[Rain Man]

it's elway. number of sacks per year for 16 years.. most consistently beat up qb in history.

And yet not nearly enough.

[cdcox]

Based on retirement broadcast careers I'd go with Steve Young. He just says the stupidest things compared to guys like Boomer, Sims, Marino, Aikman, and (even) Bradshaw.

[RippedmyFlesh]

This image always stuck with me

http://thumbs.media.smithsonianmag.com//filer/indelible_feb07_388.jpg__600x400_q85_crop_upscale.jpg

[beach tribe]

Jim Kelly. Empty handed after 4 straight trips to the super bowl. It just doesn't get any worse than that.

Sure it does. He is a HOFer who had a ton of success.

The majority of NFL Qbs have had it worse than that.

[loochy]

Aikman got beat up badly later in his career. It seemed like he got hit on every single play. You could see it in his eyes when he'd get up.

[Garcia Bronco]

I believe John Elway still is the most sacked QB of all time.

[ping2000]

Bill Kenney got nuked hard when he played for the Chiefs. He took hits that would have killed most humans.

[DanT]

Based on retirement broadcast careers I'd go with Steve Young. He just says the stupidest things compared to guys like Boomer, Sims, Marino, Aikman, and (even) Bradshaw.

ROFL

[gblowfish]

Bill Kenney got nuked hard when he played for the Chiefs. He took hits that would have killed most humans.

He was the best woman to ever play the game.

[houstonwhodat]

David Carr got ****ed who knew what the guy could do coming into that shit team.


I agree. He got the shaft. You can thank Charley Casserly for that.

Carr got sacked 76 times one season.

No offensive line.

That being said, Archie Manning was the most abused.

[salame]

Recently Carr and Jay Cutler

Cutler was sacked 52 times in 2010

Ben Roethlisberger is the current active player with the most sacks at 386

[Gonzo]

Bert Jones and Stan Humphries...

[Sofa King]

I remember Stan Humphries getting his head bashed in quite a bit.

Damnit! That's who i was going to say.

[salame]

I believe John Elway still is the most sacked QB of all time.

Favre

[Rain Man]

The more I think about it, it's got to be Randall Cunningham. He's got the 4th-most sacks overall (484), and the 15th-most per game over a 17-year career. But the kicker is that he only had 200 or more passing attempts in 9 seasons. He averaged 3.01 sacks in every game in which he appeared, and given his running you know that he turned a fair number of sacks into short gains. He averaged 3.6 sacks per start over his career.