According to the WSJ Philip Seymour Hoffman has died

[Al Bundy]

Wall Street Journal ‏@WSJ 3m

Breaking: Actor Philip Seymour Hoffman found dead in Manhattan apartment. http://wsj.com

[htismaqe]

He always seemed like a good candidate for opiate addiction...

[Donger]

I just see Peyton Manning on the link.

[O.city]

Dang

[Easy 6]

Outstanding actor, RIP... probably an OD.

[BlackHelicopters]

Sad

[Baby Lee]

You have a wife? . . . . a girlfriend? . .

[notorious]

I think I sharted when I heard the news.

[tk13]

http://nypost.com/2014/02/02/philip-seymour-hoffman-found-dead-in-his-apartment/

NY Post says it was an overdose.

[Sannyasi]

Amazing actor. Very unfortunate if true.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

RIP

[Baby Lee]

He always seemed like a good candidate for opiate addiction...

Put himself in rehab last fall IIRC.

Good on him for trying, sad if he failed.

[htismaqe]

http://nypost.com/2014/02/02/philip-seymour-hoffman-found-dead-in-his-apartment/

NY Post says it was an overdose.

Figured. He always seemed like a stereotypical heroin addict.

[htismaqe]

Put himself in rehab last fall IIRC.

Good on him for trying, sad if he failed.

Didn't know that. Awful.

[SPATCH]

Per the Wall Street Journal.

link:

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304626804579358943360702878?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304626804579358943360702878.html

[Donger]

QOD

[SPATCH]

One of the greatest talents of our generation. So gutted by this....

[Baby Lee]

Again?!?!

[Donger]

Again?!?!

It's a sequel.

[Demonpenz]

FUCK NO

[notorious]

http://static.tumblr.com/qp2fqvm/6bDm6bgwv/01.gif

[KChiefs1]

Great actor.

[Donger]

I knew when he kissed Dirk Digler that he wouldn't last long.

[SPATCH]

Capote, The Master, Before the Devil Knows You're Dead, Doubt, Charlie Wilson's War. Unforgettable performances.

[Hammock Parties]

He had to go see his buddy John Goodman.

[Ceej]

"LOSER, MOVE ON!"

[Braincase]

Hell of an actor. I've appreciated his work since "Scent of a Woman".

[Ceej]

Capote, The Master, Before the Devil Knows You're Dead, Doubt, Charlie Wilson's War. Unforgettable performances.

Ahem, Twister too.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

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[Direckshun]

Alright, everybody -- what's the best role PSH's ever played?

I vote Charlie Wilson's War.

[BlackHelicopters]

RIP John Madden

[Prison Bitch]

Never saw any of those movies, but the times I would see him appear on screen I'd just call him Scotty. He will always be Scotty. "I'm a fugging idiot" will always be his signal call. RIP Scotty.

[stevieray]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Update: Body of Philip Seymour Hoffman found with syringe in his arm, bags believed to contain heroin also found - <a href="https://twitter.com/NBCNews">@NBCNews</a></p>&mdash; Breaking News (@BreakingNews) <a href="https://twitter.com/BreakingNews/statuses/430053382397906944">February 2, 2014</a></blockquote>
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great legacy.

:(

[Kidd Lex]

Alright, everybody -- what's the best role PSH's ever played?

I vote Charlie Wilson's War.

Boogie Nights.... Rip PSH

[Simply Red]

RIP

[Demonpenz]

@Demonpenz This death is on the Hipsters making fun of Paul Walkers death. Death was like. Oh yeah. Lemme grab one you like.

[fan4ever]

I've not seen all his movies but I knew when I saw him in "Flawless" with DeNiro he was a great actor. Kind of an under the radar movie, but he was great in it. My favorite line was when DeNiro says "I'm not as dumb as you think I am" and Hoffman says "Oh honey, you couldn't be as dumb as I think you are"...

[BlackHelicopters]

RIP

[Demonpenz]

there was a movie where he huffs gasoline. It was awesome

[Kidd Lex]

I had know idea he was an addict. Strange to think you can have it all and still have a void perceivable insatiable by anything other than an opiate.

[Simply Red]

Capote yo.

[TheUte]

Man, that blows I always liked him. RIP

[Prison Bitch]

great legacy.

:(

Yep. I always wonder what these people would've done differently if they could be shown a videotape of their corpses being wheeled out of their apartments (i.e. Amy Winehouse) and people on the sidewalks just staring while it's loaded into the back of an amublance. I wonder if the shame of that might help, but addiction is a hard thing apparently.

[Archie Bunker]

@Demonpenz This death is on the Hipsters making fun of Paul Walkers death. Death was like. Oh yeah. Lemme grab one you like.

Perfection

[BlackHelicopters]

Still had the rig in his. Arm? Gruesome!

[Deberg_1990]

wow. unreal. awesome actor. elevated anything he was in.


RIP

[Brock]

Loved him in boogie nights. Then he went on to do interesting character after interesting character. Came a long way from Twister.

[TEX]

great legacy.

:(

Exactly. Like all these dipshits that OD...

[Deberg_1990]

Came a long way from Twister.

That was an early role. I think the first thing i remember him in was Scent of a Woman. Played the prick prep school adversary of Chris O Donell.

[Mav]

He was phenomenal in Charlie Wilsons War.

Damn.

[Archie Bunker]

I had know idea he was an addict. Strange to think you can have it all and still have a void perceivable insatiable by anything other than an opiate.

Hardest thing I've ever done was quitting opiates. Can only imagine what its like trying having endless money and connections. It really takes over like nothing else I'd seen before it turns into your sole purpose every day. Everything else either doesn't matter or is just getting in the way.

Damn shame really

[Dante84]

He was awesome in Capote.


Also- this fucks up the Hunger Games movies a little bit now.

[Dayze]

Police are searching for a person of interest identified as Mr, Ripley

[Baby Lee]

@Demonpenz This death is on the Hipsters making fun of Paul Walkers death. Death was like. Oh yeah. Lemme grab one you like.

This death is on the mopey dude sticking a needle full of poison in his arm.

[BlackHelicopters]

Boogie nights was a classic role.

[Demonpenz]

This death is on the mopey dude sticking a needle full of poison in his arm.

lets not fuck with the facts...it's needle full of inspiration...

[BlackHelicopters]

Police are searching for a person of interest identified as Mr, Ripley

Police are searching for a person of interest known as Mr. Brownstone. He won't leave PSH alone.

[Deberg_1990]

Wow, dude was married and had 3 kids all 10 and under. WTF dude???

[Demonpenz]

as ususal Atichison Times outscooped ya'll

[BlackHelicopters]

Truly sad.

[Pablo]

This sucks. Pretty tremendous talent.

[hawkchief]

Loved his work. What a shame. God bless his family.

[Fire Me Boy!]

No mention of The Big Lebowski?

Bunny Lebowski: I'll suck your cock for a thousand dollars.
Brandt: Ah hahahahaha! Wonderful woman. We're all, we're all very fond of her. Very free-spirited.
Bunny Lebowski: Brandt can't watch, though, or he has to pay a hundred.
Brandt: Ah haha. That's marvelous.
The Dude: Uh, I'm just gonna go find a cash machine.

[BlackHelicopters]

The dude abides.

[Jimmya]

RIP

[FloridaMan88]

I remember him best for his role in Twister:

http://fr.web.img1.acsta.net/medias/nmedia/18/66/79/21/18955609.jpg

[BigMeatballDave]

Also- this fucks up the Hunger Games movies a little bit now.

I was just thinking about that.

[NewChief]

Damn. Celebrity deaths don't usually affect me, but this one does for some reason. Really depressing. He was so freaking good.

Happiness, Magnolia, Love Liza, Synecdoche New York, Almost Famous, etc... so freaking good.

[Kidd Lex]

Hardest thing I've ever done was quitting opiates. Can only imagine what its like trying having endless money and connections. It really takes over like nothing else I'd seen before it turns into your sole purpose every day. Everything else either doesn't matter or is just getting in the way.

Damn shame really

Glad you overcame its gravity. So many talented people don't.

[Anyong Bluth]

Thought there would be a thread about it, found dead in his apartment with the needle still in his arm. 46.

Assistant found him fully clothed in his bathroom in NYC apartment in the West Village.

All but confirmed it was a heroin OD.

Goddamn shame, and sad!

[Fire Me Boy!]

Goddammit! How many times before he fucking learns?

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Goddammit! How many times before he ****ing learns?

3 so far.

[cosmo20002]

Good actor. He always seemed a little "off" though. Sucks these guys can't get their shit together.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

That's like 3 times this week.

[Direckshun]

The Talented Mr. Q-ly.

[Fire Me Boy!]

And also ... IT WAS FOUR THREADS DOWN. At least TRY to find the thread first.

[Fire Me Boy!]

That's like 3 times this week.

TODAY!

[RealSNR]

WTF? I thought the dude died like 10 years ago.

Wait, that's John Goodman. Nevermind. I get those two confused all the time.

[Rain Man]

This is uncool, man. Uncool.

[Anyong Bluth]

And also ... IT WAS FOUR THREADS DOWN. At least TRY to find the thread first.

I'm looking at it on my phone and nothing showing up- sorry.

[Donger]

So, you blow through red lights AND the front page?

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Wow, dude was married and had 3 kids all 10 and under. WTF dude???

Feel for the Kids.

[RealSNR]

I don't get people who surf Chiefs Planet on their phones.

I'm American. I have shit to say. I'll use a keyboard, thank you very much. My laptop will do very nicely.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

I'm looking at it on my phone and nothing showing up- sorry.

Buy a new phone that doesn't have AIDS.

[BlackHelicopters]

Dudes having abad day. Dying three times in one day.

[Baby Lee]

Damn. Celebrity deaths don't usually affect me, but this one does for some reason. Really depressing. He was so freaking good.

Happiness, Magnolia, Love Liza, Synecdoche New York, Almost Famous, etc... so freaking good.

It'd be harder if completely unexpected.

Figured if he went to the trouble of putting himself in rehab, things were beyond recreational.

Plus I went through the whole Artie Lange saga, so I've become jaded a bit to the tragedy of addiction.

But he truly was talented. Can't think of a movie I've hated for his role in it. Such a wide range of characters as well.

[Anyong Bluth]

Everyone needs to see him in Happiness if you haven't seen it. Written by Mike Judge.

[gblowfish]

When he goes in to argue with his boss at the CIA in Charlie Wilson's war, that scene was terrific. Shame to see these guys who die with a spike in their arm. I'm sure they'll make a movie about his life now. How does an artists life end?


Tragically.

Language,NSFW:
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[htismaqe]

It'd be harder if completely unexpected.

Figured if he went to the trouble of putting himself in rehab, things were beyond recreational.

Plus I went through the whole Artie Lange saga, so I've become jaded a bit to the tragedy of addiction.

But he truly was talented. Can't think of a movie I've hated for his role in it. Such a wide range of characters as well.

The Artie Lange thing is unfortunately quite common. It seems the #1 character flaw for heroin addicts, beyond the addiction itself, is lying about it to anyone who will listen.

[Anyong Bluth]

The Artie Lange thing is unfortunately quite common. It seems the #1 character flaw for heroin addicts, beyond the addiction itself, is lying about it to anyone who will listen.

I don't think unsuccessfully attempting suicide by stabbing yourself numerous times qualifies as "common".

I know this for a fact, because I saw that episode of Family Feud, and it wasn't on the "survey says" Bigboard.

[ClevelandBronco]

Versatile actor. I never saw the guy turn in a mediocre performance.

[Brock]

When he goes in to argue with his boss at the CIA in Charlie Wilson's war, that scene was terrific. Shame to see these guys who die with a spike in their arm. I'm sure they'll make a movie about his life now. How does an artists life end?


Tragically.

Language,NSFW:
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Jesus, that's great. Did not remember that.

[NewChief]

The spike in the arm thing might be why it's depressing me, as one of my old buddies was found the same way after moving to NYC to be a musician (he actually played for the Strokes and the Moldy Peaches).

[Baby Lee]

The Artie Lange thing is unfortunately quite common. It seems the #1 character flaw for heroin addicts, beyond the addiction itself, is lying about it to anyone who will listen.

It's tough, love Artie, love Howie, but they had a bit with Artie sleeping on the show. Gave him a recliner and blanket and everything.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1bEDSgwl39U/ToQhi2PT81I/AAAAAAAADTU/iydn6Q0n1To/s400/artie-lange-someecards.jpg

Dude was clearly nodding out, and it was mined for humor.

Seems good now, on the radio with his own show every day. Going around talking about his sobriety process as well.

[mikey23545]

Who?

[KC Dan]

Great actor. Idiot human being. Poor kids he left behind.

[htismaqe]

I don't think unsuccessfully attempting suicide by stabbing yourself numerous times qualifies as "common".

I know this for a fact, because I saw that episode of Family Feud, and it wasn't on the "survey says" Bigboard.

I was talking more about the "I've been going through intensive rehab" / "well, i actually only went to a couple of therapy sessions" back and forth he went through.

[Baby Lee]

I don't think unsuccessfully attempting suicide by stabbing yourself numerous times qualifies as "common".

I know this for a fact, because I saw that episode of Family Feud, and it wasn't on the "survey says" Bigboard.

Talking about the heroin, not the suicide attempt. The suicide attempt was him clean and hating being clean and realizing what a POS he'd been to everyone.

[htismaqe]

It's tough, love Artie, love Howie, but they had a bit with Artie sleeping on the show. Gave him a recliner and blanket and everything.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1bEDSgwl39U/ToQhi2PT81I/AAAAAAAADTU/iydn6Q0n1To/s400/artie-lange-someecards.jpg

Dude was clearly nodding out, and it was mined for humor.

Yeah, awful.

At least Howard had the conscience to tell Artie that he didn't think coming back was in his best interest.

[alnorth]

Wow, unless they already shot a lot of his scenes, the Hunger Games might be in trouble.

[chiefzilla1501]

Who?

If you spent the next month figuring out who he was by watching every movie he was in, I would say it was time very well spent. One of the best actors of our generation, and easily the most underrated.

[Rain Man]

Wow, unless they already shot a lot of his scenes, the Hunger Games might be in trouble.

Maybe they can do some rewrites where he's sleeping in every scene.

[seamonster]

Wow, dude was married and had 3 kids all 10 and under. WTF dude???

You'd be surprised to know the people you associate with and work around with kids that have some degenerate pain killer\drug addiction.

[chiefzilla1501]

Everyone needs to see him in Happiness if you haven't seen it. Written by Mike Judge.

Agreed.

But don't bring the kids.

[Baby Lee]

I'm looking at it on my phone and nothing showing up- sorry.

Word to the wise, if someone died more than 20 minutes ago, CP KNOWS.

[chiefzilla1501]

I don't get people who surf Chiefs Planet on their phones.

I'm American. I have shit to say. I'll use a keyboard, thank you very much. My laptop will do very nicely.

The easiest way to become "that guy" is to be known as the guy who carries his laptop with him while he's taking a shit.

[Baby Lee]

The easiest way to become "that guy" is to be known as the guy who carries his laptop with him while he's taking a shit.

How will Judd Apatow play Words With Friends?

[Anyong Bluth]

I was talking more about the "I've been going through intensive rehab" / "well, i actually only went to a couple of therapy sessions" back and forth he went through.







Talking about the heroin, not the suicide attempt. The suicide attempt was him clean and hating being clean and realizing what a POS he'd been to everyone.

I know I was joking

[Anyong Bluth]

Agreed.

But don't bring the kids.

Double agree with you on that.

[Anyong Bluth]

Word to the wise, if someone died more than 20 minutes ago, CP KNOWS.

Are you dead, just checking.

[bowener]

I am curious to see if they tie his OD to the increased number of recent ODs on the east coast. A batch of heroin was evidently cut with a painkiller and it is causing a lot of users their lives.

[houstonwhodat]

He was great in Charlie Wilson's War.

Other than that, meh.

[Brock]

He was great in Charlie Wilson's War.

Other than that, meh.

Wow, you're pretty stupid.

[BigRedChief]

The spike in the arm thing might be why it's depressing me, as one of my old buddies was found the same way after moving to NYC to be a musician (he actually played for the Strokes and the Moldy Peaches).Dying in a bathroom in your underware with a needle in your arm is a shitty way to go out. Now his kids will know how he chose to live and die. Sorry for the kids.

[chiefzilla1501]

He was great in Charlie Wilson's War.

Other than that, meh.

Are you serious? That wasn't even his best role. He has been not just good, but tremendous in almost every movie he's been in.

Seriously. If you watched State and Main, then Boogie Nights, then Punch Drunk Love, it is hard to believe you're watching the same guy. He was hilarious in some movies, and intense in others. Easily one of the most versatile actors of our generation.

[Kman34]

He was great in Charlie Wilson's War.

Other than that, meh.

Won an Oscar for Capote you moron

[houstonwhodat]

Won an Oscar for Capote you moron


Not a fan that's all.

Of Capote or Hoffman.

[Baby Lee]

Won an Oscar for Capote you moron

Is there a list of Oscar winners who went out like this?

Have any?

[KC Dan]

Are you serious? That wasn't even his best role. He has been not just good, but tremendous in almost every movie he's been in.

Seriously. If you watched State and Main, then Boogie Nights, then Punch Drunk Love, it is hard to believe you're watching the same guy. He was hilarious in some movies, and intense in others. Easily one of the most versatile actors of our generation.
And a dead drug addict to boot.

[Kman34]

Is there a list of Oscar winners who went out like this?

Have any?

Heath ledger

[Baby Lee]

Heath ledger

Yeah, but his was posthumous.

He didn't have one on the shelf when he died.

[chiefzilla1501]

And a dead drug addict to boot.

I really could care less. I watch movies and sports to be entertained, not because I care about whether any of these guys are good fathers or role models.

[Kman34]

Anyway he died... it is a great loss no matter the circumstances are. I can't remember a film I didn't like him in.
Maybe it will be a wake-up call to someone struggling with the same demon

[KC Dan]

I really could care less. I watch movies and sports to be entertained, not because I care about whether any of these guys are good fathers or role models.

Agreed. Guy was a great actor. I mean great. But as a father, loser. Leaving your kids fatherless because you like sticking needles in your arm, please.

[stevieray]

I really could care less. I watch movies and sports to be entertained, not because I care about whether any of these guys are good fathers or role models.
what are you, 12?

dude ODs on heroin..who cares? GREAT ACTOR.

:rolleyes:

[scho63]

Now that he is dead-who's gonna play him in his biography?

[PunkinDrublic]

He got to fuck Marisa Tomei in the opening scene of a movie. Heroin or not he scoreboards us all on that alone.

[keg in kc]

Terrible. :(

[chiefzilla1501]

what are you, 12?

dude ODs on heroin..who cares? GREAT ACTOR.

:rolleyes:

Because Hoffman is the only guy in Hollywood doing too many drugs or setting bad examples for his children. Because we don't constantly worship athletes who aren't doing similar things.

But if that's the standard you're setting, I guess you can sit and watch Little House on the Prairie reruns over and over again. Me? I'll enjoy sports and movies for what they are. Entertainment.

[houstonwhodat]

Regardless.

He was probably very unhappy inside.

RIP Mr. Hoffman.

[BigMeatballDave]

He got to fuck Marisa Tomei in the opening scene of a movie. Heroin or not he scoreboards us all on that alone.

Except that he didn't actually fuck her.

He's a dead heroin addict.

He loses.

[Dallas Chief]

RIP Scotty J. Bummer... :(

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[BlackHelicopters]

He got to fuck Marisa Tomei in the opening scene of a movie. Heroin or not he scoreboards us all on that alone.

True

[Jerm]

Fucking shocking...Jesus....

[FloridaMan88]

Now that he is dead-who's gonna play him in his biography?

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1215636/thumbs/r-ROB-FORD-ONTARIO-LIBERALS-large570.jpg?16

[Donger]

Wow. Was just reading that he was clean for 23 years and relapsed in 2012.

[PunkinDrublic]

Shia Labouf, healthy as a mule.

[digger]

RIP.

[houstonwhodat]

Wow. Was just reading that he was clean for 23 years and relapsed in 2012.


Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

[Donger]

Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

I thought they were saying it was heroin.

[BigMeatballDave]

I thought they were saying it was heroin.

It was. Saints fan is kind of a dipshit :)

[Sorter]

It was. Saints fan is kind of a dipshit :)

Kind of?

[NewChief]

Dying in a bathroom in your underware with a needle in your arm is a shitty way to go out. Now his kids will know how he chose to live and die. Sorry for the kids.

Yup. Aaron didn't have any kids, thankfully. Saddest part about h was that he was a solid, grounded dude. Super smart (philosophy major) and talented. He was dabbling with heroin as an experiment, not a junkie. Freaking heroin, though can get you way too easy. His death probably bothers me so much because he and I walked similar paths, and I could have easily ended up the same way, though I thankfully never ran in a heroin crowd when I was doing dumb shit stuff like that.

[Reaper16]

I am curious to see if they tie his OD to the increased number of recent ODs on the east coast. A batch of heroin was evidently cut with a painkiller and it is causing a lot of users their lives.

Damn. There may be something to this idea.

[Prison Bitch]

As the saying goes, everyone in life is either an example or warning. So tragic. I don't know what I'd do if my sons were heroin junkies, it would destroy me every day. What can a parent do?

[BigRock]

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This is honestly one of my favorite movies of his. Well, one of my favorite roles of his. The movie is awful, but he was great. And it's such a goofy role for a guy who was well established as a serious actor by that point.

Fucking awful.

[Anyong Bluth]

Damn. There may be something to this idea.

That's what first came to mind when I heard the news. Weren't most of those incidents in the Philly area though? Not that it's unlikely it could easily could have been from the same stash.

[HonestChieffan]

As the saying goes, everyone in life is either an example or warning. So tragic. I don't know what I'd do if my sons were heroin junkies, it would destroy me every day. What can a parent do?

Keep them away from pot to start….

[Eleazar]

Maybe they can do some rewrites where he's sleeping in every scene.

Weekend at Bernie's reboot?

[Brock]

Keep them away from pot to start….

/takes slug of whiskey and shits self

[Great Expectations]

Him and Benicio Del Toro are my favorite character actors.

[BigMeatballDave]

Keep them away from pot to start….

Seriously?

[Al Bundy]

It was. Saints fan is kind of a dipshit :)

They all are.

[GloryDayz]

I had to Google him to figure out who he was, that means it's no big loss for planet earth overall.

[ClevelandBronco]

Seriously?

Sure. For a little over 10 percent of the population, it's going to do serious damage to their lives. And the earlier someone starts using, the more likely they are to be among the lucky few who crash and burn on weed. The vast majority can use weed without suffering appreciable damage, but IMHO a parent's job is to try to keep the chances as close to zero as possible. After the kid is an adult, he can make his choices and whatever happens is totally on him.

[GloryDayz]

Sure. For a little over 10 percent of the population, it's going to do serious damage to their lives. And the earlier someone starts using, the more likely they are to be among the lucky few who crash and burn on weed. The vast majority can use weed without suffering appreciable damage, but IMHO a parent's job is to try to keep the chances as close to zero as possible. After the kid is an adult, he can make his choices and whatever happens is totally on him.

That is the goal for most parents... :thumb:

[htismaqe]

Keep them away from pot to start….

ROFL

The "gateway drug" myth is so hilariously fucking stupid.

I know two dead opiate users who never smoked pot in their life.

And I know a couple dozen pot smokers who have never tried opiates.

[htismaqe]

Sure. For a little over 10 percent of the population, it's going to do serious damage to their lives. And the earlier someone starts using, the more likely they are to be among the lucky few who crash and burn on weed. The vast majority can use weed without suffering appreciable damage, but IMHO a parent's job is to try to keep the chances as close to zero as possible. After the kid is an adult, he can make his choices and whatever happens is totally on him.

Look at what he posted.

He blatantly insinuated that keeping kids away from pot would prevent them from becoming HEROIN JUNKIES.

While you may have a valid point, your point and his are COMPLETELY different. His opinion is completely ungrounded in any form of fact.

[houstonwhodat]

It was. Saints fan is kind of a dipshit :)


You two are both dipshits.

I was referring to the David Chapelle skit about Rick James bitch.

God you're a fucking idiot.

[chiefzilla1501]

ROFL

The "gateway drug" myth is so hilariously ****ing stupid.

I know two dead opiate users who never smoked pot in their life.

And I know a couple dozen pot smokers who have never tried opiates.

The only reason it's a gateway drug is that it introduces people to buying drugs. I would be interested to see if it will still be a gateway drug in Washington and Colorado 10 years from now. I'm guessing no.

[htismaqe]

The only reason it's a gateway drug is that it introduces people to buying drugs. I would be interested to see if it will still be a gateway drug in Washington and Colorado 10 years from now. I'm guessing no.

It isn't a gateway drug at all. Learning how to buy pot doesn't familiarize oneself at all with how to buy heroin.

[chiefzilla1501]

It isn't a gateway drug at all. Learning how to buy pot doesn't familiarize oneself at all with how to buy heroin.

I think it's more about getting over the hump of learning how to buy things illegally. I'm not saying that makes it a guarantee you'll buy heroin. I'm saying that a person who jumps right into illegal drugs by buying heroin is probably going to be a lot more gunshy than a person who has bought pot illegally, then decides to do heroin.

[htismaqe]

I think it's more about getting over the hump of learning how to buy things illegally. I'm not saying that makes it a guarantee you'll buy heroin. I'm saying that a person who jumps right into illegal drugs by buying heroin is probably going to be a lot more gunshy than a person who has bought pot illegally, then decides to do heroin.

That doesn't even make any sense.

Have you ever purchased either?

[Reaper16]

Different purchasing methods. With weed, you know a guy and buy some from him. With heroin you're either going to some shady city corner or some shady trap house.

[htismaqe]

Different purchasing methods. With weed, you know a guy and buy some from him. With heroin you're either going to some shady city corner or some shady trap house.

In general, as the risk goes up, so does the intensity.

Buying pot from a guy in the dorms doesn't usually prepare one psychologically for people with dogs and guns...

Not saying that it's always the case, but hardcore drugs usually involve hardcore people.

[Omaha]

I really couldn't care less. I watch movies and sports to be entertained, not because I care about whether any of these guys are good fathers or role models.

FYP

You're welcome.

[Jimmya]

Too much of anything usually ends badly.

[htismaqe]

Too much of anything usually ends badly.

Very, very true.

[dirk digler]

RIP Seymour. One of my favorite actors and sad to see him be stupid. Was just on CNN and they are reporting he had around 50 bags of heroin in his room.

[htismaqe]

RIP Seymour. One of my favorite actors and sad to see him be stupid. Was just on CNN and they are reporting he had around 50 bags of heroin in his room.

Wow.

[Fish]

RIP Seymour. One of my favorite actors and sad to see him be stupid. Was just on CNN and they are reporting he had around 50 bags of heroin in his room.

Yikes. How much is in a "Bag" of heroin?

[The Franchise]

Yikes. How much is in a "Bag" of heroin?

From what they were talking about on the radio.....his addiction has been so bad lately that he was basically on a Heroin IV drip throughout the day.

[BlackHelicopters]

RIP Seymour. One of my favorite actors and sad to see him be stupid. Was just on CNN and they are reporting he had around 50 bags of heroin in his room.

50 bags? Unreal.

[ChiTown]

From what they were talking about on the radio.....his addiction has been so bad lately that he was basically on a Heroin IV drip throughout the day.

:eek:

[htismaqe]

From what they were talking about on the radio.....his addiction has been so bad lately that he was basically on a Heroin IV drip throughout the day.

JFC

[BlackHelicopters]

From what they were talking about on the radio.....his addiction has been so bad lately that he was basically on a Heroin IV drip throughout the day.

This is sad.

[BlackHelicopters]

Still can't believe he was found with the rig still in his arm.

[The Franchise]

Still can't believe he was found with the rig still in his arm.

If he was doing THAT much heroin....it's not surprising.

[Bowser]

Frankly, that makes it seem like he just wanted to die.

[dirk digler]

Yikes. How much is in a "Bag" of heroin?

Researching this looks like .10\gram and it is about $10\bag. 1 bag is for normal users and obviously an addict can handle alot more

[notorious]

Sure. For a little over 10 percent of the population, it's going to do serious damage to their lives. And the earlier someone starts using, the more likely they are to be among the lucky few who crash and burn on weed. The vast majority can use weed without suffering appreciable damage, but IMHO a parent's job is to try to keep the chances as close to zero as possible. After the kid is an adult, he can make his choices and whatever happens is totally on him.

Bingo.

I am not saying weed is a good/bad thing, but I don't know a single very successful person that smokes it, but I know a LOT of average to borderline losers that do. Maybe the very successful people hide it better, but probably not.


That is just in my circle of life, so it is a small sample size.

[SAUTO]

Bingo.

I am not saying weed is a good/bad thing, but I don't know a single very successful person that smokes it, but I know a LOT of average to borderline losers that do. Maybe the very successful people hide it better, but probably not.


That is just in my circle of life, so it is a small sample size.

I know some fairly successful daily smokers.


and I also know there are more average to borderline losers that do too.


its all about the person.

[LiL stumppy]

ROFL

The "gateway drug" myth is so hilariously fucking stupid.

I know two dead opiate users who never smoked pot in their life.

And I know a couple dozen pot smokers who have never tried opiates.

I have personally heard addicts confirm pot started their desire for everything. I have also seen numerous friends go through that pot phase and be fine after. It is a gateway to certain people, and your an idiot if you don't see that. Hence the comment, you will never know until it's too late. The smart thing to do is protect kids from any illegal drug, regardless of how harmless pot might end up being to them.

[BlackHelicopters]

I have personally heard addicts confirm pot started their desire for everything. I have also seen numerous friends go through that pot phase and be fine after. It is a gateway to certain people, and your an idiot if you don't see that. Hence the comment, you will never know until it's too late. The smart thing to do is protect kids from any illegal drug, regardless of how harmless pot might end up being to them.

Never had a desire to try heroin or even blow for that matter. Guess it varies by individual.

[The Franchise]

I have personally heard addicts confirm pot started their desire for everything. I have also seen numerous friends go through that pot phase and be fine after. It is a gateway to certain people, and your an idiot if you don't see that. Hence the comment, you will never know until it's too late. The smart thing to do is protect kids from any illegal drug, regardless of how harmless pot might end up being to them.

It's not pot then....it's the fact that certain people have addictive personalities.

[ChiefaRoo]

He will be missed. I loved that scene in Along Came Polly where he's shooting three balls like he's a Guard for KU.

[notorious]

I know some fairly successful daily smokers.


and I also know there are more average to borderline losers that do too.


its all about the person.


It always is.

It's not pot then....it's the fact that certain people have addictive personalities.

Yep.

The smokers I know that are of the "loser" ilk also drink a ton, too. It controls their life to the point of losing jobs, etc.

They have little self-control.

[Brock]

I have personally heard addicts confirm pot started their desire for everything. I have also seen numerous friends go through that pot phase and be fine after. It is a gateway to certain people, and your an idiot if you don't see that. Hence the comment, you will never know until it's too late. The smart thing to do is protect kids from any illegal drug, regardless of how harmless pot might end up being to them.

If it is a gateway drug, it's only because pot dealers often sell other drugs too. Pot in and of itself doesn't lead to other drugs anymore than alcohol and tobacco do. And nobody's saying "kids should smoke pot".

[KC native]

I have personally heard addicts confirm pot started their desire for everything. I have also seen numerous friends go through that pot phase and be fine after. It is a gateway to certain people, and your an idiot if you don't see that. Hence the comment, you will never know until it's too late. The smart thing to do is protect kids from any illegal drug, regardless of how harmless pot might end up being to them.

Alcohol is the real gateway drug.

[BlackHelicopters]

Alcohol is the real gateway drug.

Explain.

[notorious]

Alcohol is the real gateway drug.

Sex, too.


How many addicts do you know that got hooked because of a douche boyfriend or whore girlfriend that got them started?

[BlackHelicopters]

Sex, too.


How many addicts do you know that got hooked because of a douche boyfriend or whore girlfriend that got them started?

LMAO

[KC native]

Explain.

The research in this area points to alcohol being the real gateway drug. I don't have time to dig up links on it right now.

Think about how many poor decisions get made on alcohol. "Hey, let's do some blow to stay awake and drink more." etc.

[BlackHelicopters]

The research in this area points to alcohol being the real gateway drug. I don't have time to dig up links on it right now.

Think about how many poor decisions get made on alcohol. "Hey, let's do some blow to stay awake and drink more." etc.

Still puzzled

[Rain Man]

I blame rock and roll.

[BlackHelicopters]

I blame rock and roll.

Heavy Metal.

[scho63]

Appears he was on a serious bender or mission!

Philip Seymour Hoffman was found with five empty heroin bag as well as many as 65 more bags that were still unused, police told ABC News.

Police investigating the Hoffman's death, apparently from a drug overdose, had earlier said they found 50 bags of the narcotic, but later sharply increased that figure. They also found used syringes, including one needle that was sticking out of Hoffman's arm when his body was discovered Sunday in his Greenwich Village apartment.

[alnorth]

It looks like the Hunger Games will be fine. They were finished with him for the 3rd movie, and they only had 7 days of shooting left with him for the last movie, so they should be able to figure something out.

[BlackHelicopters]

Appears he was on a serious bender or mission!

Philip Seymour Hoffman was found with five empty heroin bag as well as many as 65 more bags that were still unused, police told ABC News.

Police investigating the Hoffman's death, apparently from a drug overdose, had earlier said they found 50 bags of the narcotic, but later sharply increased that figure. They also found used syringes, including one needle that was sticking out of Hoffman's arm when his body was discovered Sunday in his Greenwich Village apartment.


Hardcore.

[Pablo]

People that want to do hard drugs are going to do so if they use pot or not.

My guess is that opiate addictions most often start in the most legal of manners; a prescription from your doctor. Or kids stealing their parents prescriptions.

[Pablo]

Jesus. I'm going to assume that a bag is a single use. 65 bags. That seems like a whole lot of dope.

[lcarus]

Jesus. I'm going to assume that a bag is a single use. 65 bags. That seems like a whole lot of dope.

A dude like him probably uses quite a few bags to "get right".

[Rausch]

Jesus. I'm going to assume that a bag is a single use. 65 bags. That seems like a whole lot of dope.

Dude, there's a winter storm coming...

[NewChief]

A dude like him probably uses quite a few bags to "get right".

Yeah. As you well know (at least I think you were one of our resident former opiate addicts), the tolerance for opiates is insane with habitual use.

10mg of oxy will loop someone out who is a first time user, especially if they're drinking with it. I have a friend who takes well over 60mg+ daily just to function (as well as a ridiculous amount of Xanax), and that's not even counting when he "parties." Note, his is all legitimately prescribed (well, I think his doctor is a quack, but he does have some serious health issues).

So a regular user would be ****ed up at a sixth of the dose of what this guy takes just to maintain and feel normal on a daily basis.

[lcarus]

Yeah. As you well know (at least I think you were one of our resident former opiate addicts), the tolerance for opiates is insane with habitual use.

10mg of oxy will loop someone out who is a first time user, especially if they're drinking with it. I have a friend who takes well over 60mg+ daily just to function (as well as a ridiculous amount of Xanax), and that's not even counting when he "parties." Note, his is all legitimately prescribed (well, I think his doctor is a quack, but he does have some serious health issues).

So a regular user would be ****ed up at a sixth of the dose of what this guy takes just to maintain and feel normal on a daily basis.

Yep. Every time he's gone up with his dosage to acquire the high, that was the new norm. One day you decide "hey I'm gonna take 2 pills this time" and then you start taking 2 pills regularly. Until eventually you're taking 10 pills.

[ThaVirus]

Drugs, man. I can't fuck with them.

R.I.P

[NewChief]

Yep. Every time he's gone up with his dosage to acquire the high, that was the new norm. One day you decide "hey I'm gonna take 2 pills this time" and then you start taking 2 pills regularly. Until eventually you're taking 10 pills.

Used to do a little but a little wouldn't do it so a little got more and more.

[Dayze]

Dude, there's a winter storm coming...

LMAO

[htismaqe]

I have personally heard addicts confirm pot started their desire for everything. I have also seen numerous friends go through that pot phase and be fine after. It is a gateway to certain people, and your an idiot if you don't see that. Hence the comment, you will never know until it's too late. The smart thing to do is protect kids from any illegal drug, regardless of how harmless pot might end up being to them.

That's just a simple failure of logic.

If marijuana led to heroin use, all (or nearly all) marijuana smokers would end up heroin addicts.

The fact that some heroin addicts started with pot only confirms that the individual person had a problem that they couldn't satisfy and they moved to different drugs in order to try and satiate it.

[Dayze]

I'm trying to find a way to work in a pun 'Phillip Seymour Coffin".

...but I can't figure on out

[SAUTO]

Used to do a little but a little wouldn't do it so a little got more and more.

just kept tryin to get a better, said a little better than before.



really it's just chasing something you will never get again...


that first high.

[htismaqe]

Explain.

Really?

[Sure-Oz]

Crazy that he had been drug free for over 20 years and then went hardcore.

Shitty.

[htismaqe]

Still puzzled

Studies have been done. The only "drug" that is consumed by nearly all drug users, regardless of their primary drug, is alcohol.

If you took all drug users and looked at what their 2nd-most consumed drug is, the vast majority would be alcohol.

[NewChief]

Dude, there's a winter storm coming...

That's actually probably no bullshit. Just like sitting down with a big pot of beans/chili by the fire with some tasty beverages sounds great to us, I'm sure that stocking up on a bunch of H, holing up, and going on a binge in winter weather sounded great to him.

I would bet that H users with a lot of money, like him, plan around weather like that in the same way that people stock up on bread, eggs, and milk. The average junkie probably doesn't have that luxury, but he would.

[Sure-Oz]

This is honestly one of my favorite movies of his. Well, one of my favorite roles of his. The movie is awful, but he was great. And it's such a goofy role for a guy who was well established as a serious actor by that point.

****ing awful.

I fucking loved him in this movie....the movie was not even avg and his parts were so funny

[SAUTO]

Crazy that he had been drug free for over 20 years and then went hardcore.

Shitty.

it happens to someone every day.

once an addict you are always an addict. it only takes one trigger to go back, and usually each time you relapse its worse, at least in the cases ive seen.


IMO its because the user fells so terrible about going back they need to try to drown it out with the drugs.


its crazy

[Anyong Bluth]

Yeah. As you well know (at least I think you were one of our resident former opiate addicts), the tolerance for opiates is insane with habitual use.

10mg of oxy will loop someone out who is a first time user, especially if they're drinking with it. I have a friend who takes well over 60mg+ daily just to function (as well as a ridiculous amount of Xanax), and that's not even counting when he "parties." Note, his is all legitimately prescribed (well, I think his doctor is a quack, but he does have some serious health issues).

So a regular user would be ****ed up at a sixth of the dose of what this guy takes just to maintain and feel normal on a daily basis.

Hearing some prescription drug abusers stories are insane. I recall this guy out in California addicted to pain pills back in the day before pharmacies were linked that would forge his rx and was at one point taking over a 100 pills a day- I would have figured anyone would have been long dead with that degree of abuse. Liver toxicity, not to mention, the amount of trouble he talked about and had to do just get his bowels working- nasty nasty way to suffer through life.

[Donger]

I'm trying to find a way to work in a pun 'Phillip Seymour Coffin".

...but I can't figure on out

He'll likely be buried in a NEMA 4X enclosure...

Now that's obscure.

[htismaqe]

IMO its because the user fells so terrible about going back they need to try to drown it out with the drugs.

That happens. It's a vicious cycle.

[Donger]

If you took all drug users and looked at what their 2nd-most consumed drug is, the vast majority would be alcohol.

I wonder if that's due to the fact that alcohol is legal (age-dependent, of course) and more readily available?

[lcarus]

it happens to someone every day.

once an addict you are always an addict. it only takes one trigger to go back, and usually each time you relapse its worse, at least in the cases ive seen.


IMO its because the user fells so terrible about going back they need to try to drown it out with the drugs.


its crazy

Yeah I think that's about how it goes. "I feel so shitty for using this stuff again, I may as well get really high for a bit so there's at least a point in doing this."

[htismaqe]

I wonder if that's due to the fact that alcohol is legal (age-dependent, of course) and more readily available?

That may very well be the case but it doesn't diminish the fact that the numbers are there.

There's absolutely zero evidence to support marijuana being a gateway drug.

[Anyong Bluth]

That may very well be the case but it doesn't diminish the fact that the numbers are there.

There's absolutely zero evidence to support marijuana being a gateway drug.

I figured by now that most people realized that this gateway shit was bs used in Drug Prevention Education as a scare tactic to get youth to not want to try or experiment with any illegal substances.

[Donger]

That may very well be the case but it doesn't diminish the fact that the numbers are there.

There's absolutely zero evidence to support marijuana being a gateway drug.

Zero evidence?

[Rain Man]

Hearing some prescription drug abusers stories are insane. I recall this guy out in California addicted to pain pills back in the day before pharmacies were linked that would forge his rx and was at one point taking over a 100 pills a day- I would have figured anyone would have been long dead with that degree of abuse. Liver toxicity, not to mention, the amount of trouble he talked about and had to do just get his bowels working- nasty nasty way to suffer through life.

I may be naive, but why do people do this?

Are they seeking pleasure, or is withdrawal (or even stasis) so painful that they're trying to avoid that?

I presume that you start taking heroin or pain pills or whatever to enhance your happiness and then at some point you transition, and you're taking them to avoid unhappiness. But where's the tipping point?

I may be way off base, but I'm just curious.

[lcarus]

I may be naive, but why do people do this?

Are they seeking pleasure, or is withdrawal (or even stasis) so painful that they're trying to avoid that?

I presume that you start taking heroin or pain pills or whatever to enhance your happiness and then at some point you transition, and you're taking them to avoid unhappiness. But where's the tipping point?

I may be way off base, but I'm just curious.

You pretty much said it with the bolded. Some people decide to keep upping their dose to chase that high. Others just try to maintain not feeling shitty. Lucky for me, I was prescribed a certain amount from one doctor so I didn't often take more than my daily dose. Or I could have been in real trouble.

[The Franchise]

I may be naive, but why do people do this?

Are they seeking pleasure, or is withdrawal (or even stasis) so painful that they're trying to avoid that?

I presume that you start taking heroin or pain pills or whatever to enhance your happiness and then at some point you transition, and you're taking them to avoid unhappiness. But where's the tipping point?

I may be way off base, but I'm just curious.

The tipping point is that first day that you HAVE to take drugs to function.

[Pepe Silvia]

"I'm a fucking idiot, I'm a fucking idiot."

[Brock]

I wonder if that's due to the fact that alcohol is legal (age-dependent, of course) and more readily available?

So?

[SAUTO]

The tipping point is that first day that you HAVE to take drugs to function.

I have said that to people for years.

its the truth.

[The Franchise]

I have said that to people for years.

its the truth.

I've partied with people that partied on meth all the time. But when they didn't have it....it wasn't a huge deal. Those people are just fine. But you've got that one guy that runs out of meth and flips the fuck out because he can't get anymore. He's fucked.

[NewChief]

He had a ton of other drugs as well most recent report says:

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/02/03/22557861-hoffman-found-with-50-bags-of-heroin-addiction-meds-sources?lite

Vyvanse (prescription amphetamine), cocaine, buprenorphine, hydroxyzine, and methocarbamol.

[Easy 6]

He had a ton of other drugs as well most recent report says:

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/02/03/22557861-hoffman-found-with-50-bags-of-heroin-addiction-meds-sources?lite

Vyvanse (prescription amphetamine), cocaine, buprenorphine, hydroxyzine, and methocarbamol.

Good Lord, this guy was insane.

[The Franchise]

Think he had a problem?

Law enforcement officials told NBC News that authorities at the scene found 49 full bags of heroin, 23 empty bags of heroin, four bags of white powder believed to be cocaine, as well as various prescription drugs. Authorities found six bottles of prescription drugs — including the blood pressure medication clonidine hydrochloride; the addiction treatment drug buprenorphine; the attention-deficit disorder treatment drug vyvanse; the anti-anxiety drug hydroxyzine; and the muscle relaxer methocarbamol.

[lcarus]

A lot of those other drugs are for dealing with not having the heroin/other opiates

[The Franchise]

A lot of those other drugs are for dealing with not having the heroin/other opiates

My comment was more about his 23 empty bags of heroin.

[NewChief]

A lot of those other drugs are for dealing with not having the heroin/other opiates

Yeah. Everything but the Vyvanse could be prescribed by a doctor for someone trying to get off heroin and/or suffering from anxiety that leads to recidivism.

[mcaj22]

can you imagine being the middleman/assistant that got those 50 bags for PSH? I find it hard to believe Hoffman's walking down into the local drug den to make that kind of purchase.

[lcarus]

My comment was more about his 23 empty bags of heroin.

Oh I know. I wasn't responding directly to you. Just pointing out that I've heard a lot of those other drugs from my own personal battle. But he clearly had a big big problem lol. That's a lot of shit.

[Rausch]

I've been told I look like him and Radar from MASH (quite the...how.....really?)

I'm really hoping that Radar guy is still alive...

[SAUTO]

I've partied with people that partied on meth all the time. But when they didn't have it....it wasn't a huge deal. Those people are just fine. But you've got that one guy that runs out of meth and flips the fuck out because he can't get anymore. He's fucked.

run with some guys strung out on crack, wait till those fuckers run out...

[NewChief]

Oh I know. I wasn't responding directly to you. Just pointing out that I've heard a lot of those other drugs from my own personal battle. But he clearly had a big big problem lol. That's a lot of shit.

I was familiar with them all except the clonidine. This was interesting:

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=53336

Recently reports have been emerging in medical journals of opiate addicts abusing clonidine to get a opiate like high. I also found a government website that lists clonidine as a emerging drug of abuse and found reports that clonidine is being sold on the streets of new york. Also a new finding in a medical journal showed that the opiate antagonist naloxone could reverse clonidine ODs. This suggested mu opiate receptor involvement in clonidine OD symptoms. Further more medical texts list clonidine OD as presenting similar symptoms to narcotic overdoses. This evidence suggested to me that clonidine ODs would be similar to narcotic ODs. I could find no evidence in drug forums or on any drug website that people were using clonidine and thus I had no dosage guidelines to go by for experimentation. My one guideline was of a heroin addict that took 2mg of clonidine and said it gave him a nod better then heroin.

[lcarus]

can you imagine being the middleman/assistant that got those 50 bags for PSH? I find it hard to believe Hoffman's walking down into the local drug den to make that kind of purchase.

Who knows what kind of connections he had, but I guarantee you if he all of a sudden ran out of his connects, he would instantly become a regular Joe and go anywhere/interact with anyone to get his stuff.

[SAUTO]

can you imagine being the middleman/assistant that got those 50 bags for PSH? I find it hard to believe Hoffman's walking down into the local drug den to make that kind of purchase.

his dealer should have sent someone to watch out for him... think how much him dying cost that fucker

[lcarus]

I was familiar with them all except the clonidine. This was interesting:

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=53336

Interesting. The only thing I heard about clonidine is that it lowers your heart rate?

[Rausch]

run with some guys strung out on crack, wait till those ****ers run out...

I tried.

I got sick of hearing them blow their a$$holes out every time they got high and I had to pause the game for 15 minutes...

[NewChief]

Interesting. The only thing I heard about clonidine is that it lowers your heart rate?

The rest of the post goes on to detail the user's experiment with it. Doesn't sound like a "good time," but does sound like something someone might resort to if they're trying to wean themselves off opiates.