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The Franchise
02-03-2014, 10:17 AM
I messed around with it a bit last night....but this thing is pretty cool. You can cut players, trade players, extend and restructure their contracts....and it will give you up to date cap numbers for 2014-2016. I don't know how accurate it is...but Over the Cap is usually pretty accurate with their numbers.

http://overthecap.com/calculator/

The Franchise
02-03-2014, 10:18 AM
It also allows you to give new deals to any of KC's free agents.

Fansy the Famous Bard
02-03-2014, 10:34 AM
Derrick Johnson deserves a raise.

BlackHelicopters
02-03-2014, 10:37 AM
Got to restructure Hali. And Berry

Direckshun
02-03-2014, 11:28 AM
Yeahh.................... No clue what the Chiefs do this offseason.

I restructure Berry and Hali, and then extend Houston and Smith, and then re-sign Schwartz and McCluster, and even bring back Jordan, Powe, and Gafford at league minimums.

I even cut Dunta Robinson, then resign him at league minimum, then cut him again for good measure.

I end up north of $10 million over the cap.

Sheesh.

Great link, Pesty, but it has only succeeded in killing my buzz.

The Franchise
02-03-2014, 11:30 AM
What deals are you signing them to?

Direckshun
02-03-2014, 11:33 AM
I lock down Alex Smith for $15m/year for 4 years. Justin Houston $8/year for 6 years.

Schwartz $3m/year for three years. McCluster something like $4m/year for four years.

Just cap disaster. That's before the draft and ANY (read: any) free agents.

And that's with graphically unfair restructures to both Hali and Berry.

The Franchise
02-03-2014, 11:34 AM
Stop extending Houston. Wait until next season.

It's a great tool...but you have to know about contracts and how to structure deals. It'd be better if they just gave you a couple of contract options to work with.

Direckshun
02-03-2014, 11:36 AM
Yeah, because I have no idea how to hide money like some of these teams do. I guess roster bonuses are one way?

I'm extending Houston now. He had a damn good year. I want to extend him now before he has an incredible one and the only leverage we have is the franchise tag. I have more leverage on him now than I'll have in 2015.

Simply Red
02-03-2014, 11:36 AM
I lock down Alex Smith for $15m/year for 4 years. Justin Houston $8/year for 6 years.

Schwartz $3m/year for three years. McCluster something like $4m/year for four years.

Just cap disaster. That's before the draft and ANY (read: any) free agents.

And that's with graphically unfair restructures to both Hali and Berry.

The fact that you double emphasized the (any) bit; there has never been a moment on CP where a post was more crystal-clear than this post is to me, right here & right now, Direckshun.

****ing terrific, pal! ...Great communications!

Direckshun
02-03-2014, 11:38 AM
The fact that you double emphasized the (any) bit; there has never been a moment on CP where a post was more crystal-clear than this post is to me, right here & right now, Direckshun.

****ing terrific, pal! ...Great communications!

ROFL

ROFL

ROFL

God.

Mr. Laz
02-03-2014, 11:40 AM
Derrick Johnson deserves a raise.

never understood this

giving a raise to DJ means we have less to pay other players that can improve our team

why would any Chiefs' fan WANT to give a player a raise before they have to?

Fansy the Famous Bard
02-03-2014, 11:40 AM
never understood this

giving a raise to DJ means we have less to pay other players that can improve our team

why would any Chiefs' fan WANT to give a player a raise before they have to?

I didn't say I want him to get one... Just realized what he made compared to others and think he deserves one. :)

BlackHelicopters
02-03-2014, 11:48 AM
Extend Tyler Bray

Direckshun
02-03-2014, 12:02 PM
If anybody can extend Smith, re-sign Schwartz and McCluster, and have the Chiefs $20m under the cap, I will give them all my casino cash.

No unreasonable restructures.

scho63
02-03-2014, 12:11 PM
Whoever spent the time and effort to put that thing together deserves major kudos!

Best laid out figures I've ever seen.

POS REP coming to you for this!

OldSchool
02-03-2014, 12:16 PM
Only way you can make all of the moves you need to is to restructure Bowe, Hali, Berry, and Flowers.

Mr. Kotter
02-03-2014, 12:17 PM
Wow. Great find.

The Franchise
02-03-2014, 12:18 PM
Only way you can make all of the moves you need to is to restructure Bowe, Hali, Berry, and Flowers.

Restructure Bowe, Hali and Flowers. Extend Berry and lower his first year cap hit.

The Franchise
02-03-2014, 12:20 PM
You start off with $1.75 million in cap room.

Cutting Robinson brings that to $4.5 million.

Trading or cutting Daniel brings that number to $5.4....if you want to go that route.

The Franchise
02-03-2014, 12:22 PM
Restructuring Hali nets you around $4 million.

Restructuring Flowers nets you around $4 million.

Restructuring Bowe nets you around $5.5 million.

Restructuring Succop gets you about $1.5 million.

So after cutting Robinson and restructuring those 4 contracts....you're at $20 million in cap room.

ChiTown
02-03-2014, 12:22 PM
Can we get rid of Succop. Thanks

The Franchise
02-03-2014, 12:28 PM
Damnt....I wish it would let you go back and look at the contracts you offered. I gave Berry a 4 year extension that gave us another $4 million in cap room but I didn't write down the numbers before submitting it.

Direckshun
02-03-2014, 12:30 PM
Restructuring Hali nets you around $4 million.

Restructuring Flowers nets you around $4 million.

Restructuring Bowe nets you around $5.5 million.

Restructuring Succop gets you about $1.5 million.

So after cutting Robinson and restructuring those 4 contracts....you're at $20 million in cap room.

Which will be swallowed up by Smith, Houston, Schwartz, and McCluster.

The Franchise
02-03-2014, 12:31 PM
Which will be swallowed up by Smith, Houston, Schwartz, and McCluster.

Stop fucking giving Houston a new deal. You honestly won't be saving a huge amount of money between this year and next year. And fuck McCluster.

saphojunkie
02-03-2014, 12:31 PM
I extended Alex Smith for a 5 year deal, $30 million signing bonus, with a total of $10 million a year. $12 million in base salary alone for his last year.

I also converted $5million of Berry's, $3 million of Tamba's, and $3 million of Flowers' base salary into prorated bonuses.

I cut Chase Daniel$, cut Dunta Robinson.

That put us at $11.4 million under the cap this year. Next year, we are $1 million over the cap, but that can be fixed simply by extending Berry to give more room to his bonus and restructuring Bowe next year ($10.5 mil in base salary that can be converted to a bonus and spread out).

Also, depending on the draft, Mike Devito is a cut candidate. $1 mil in dead money, but saves us $4.7 off the cap. We could make these moves, not restructure Bowe, and then just cut devito next year and be under.

mcaj22
02-03-2014, 12:33 PM
Yeah, because I have no idea how to hide money like some of these teams do. I guess roster bonuses are one way?

I'm extending Houston now. He had a damn good year. I want to extend him now before he has an incredible one and the only leverage we have is the franchise tag. I have more leverage on him now than I'll have in 2015.

Franchise Tag gives you an extra year on a player like Houston.

Houston isn't that good on paper stats wise, obviously his in game impact is far better, and that's what Chiefs fans love him for. But he's only had 10 and 11 sack seasons, that's not exactly going to break the bank.

So the tag gives you an extra year, and that extra year is probably when we can cut a lot of the guys that might fall off a cliff (Tamba, Flowers, maybe even Bowe *fingers crossed* etc)

Direckshun
02-03-2014, 12:40 PM
Stop ****ing giving Houston a new deal. You honestly won't be saving a huge amount of money between this year and next year. And **** McCluster.

ROFL

The Franchise
02-03-2014, 12:56 PM
ROFL

Seriously....what are you offering him this year? Do you think that's going to jump a significant amount in 2015? Worst case scenario.....we franchise tag him.

mcaj22
02-03-2014, 01:05 PM
it's an extra year of control for Houston, especially when we are close to the cap, and have to wait to cut other contracts to make room for him. Buys the team time.

Rausch
02-03-2014, 01:08 PM
Restructuring Hali nets you around $4 million.

Restructuring Flowers nets you around $4 million.

Restructuring Bowe nets you around $5.5 million.

Restructuring Succop gets you about $1.5 million.

So after cutting Robinson and restructuring those 4 contracts....you're at $20 million in cap room.

More than enough to get one of the best FS's in the league and stop the deep play bleeding...

The Franchise
02-03-2014, 01:09 PM
More than enough to get one of the best FS's in the league and stop the deep play bleeding...

Just keep in mind that I can't guarantee that any of the numbers for restructuring are 100% accurate. I'm just going off of what they have on the site.

Rausch
02-03-2014, 01:09 PM
Seriously....what are you offering him this year? Do you think that's going to jump a significant amount in 2015? Worst case scenario.....we franchise tag him.

And it should be much cheaper to tag a LB than a LT (like we did this year.)

Rausch
02-03-2014, 01:10 PM
Just keep in mind that I can't guarantee that any of the numbers for restructuring are 100% accurate. I'm just going off of what they have on the site.

Byrd should be our no 1 offseason priority...

The Franchise
02-03-2014, 01:19 PM
And it should be much cheaper to tag a LB than a LT (like we did this year.)

Roughly the same. The franchise tag this year for LBs is $9.6 million.

Rausch
02-03-2014, 01:20 PM
Roughly the same. The franchise tag this year for LBs is $9.6 million.

Wasn't it like 6 or 7 last year?...

The Franchise
02-03-2014, 01:21 PM
Wasn't it like 6 or 7 last year?...

Shit....those are last years numbers.

Direckshun
02-03-2014, 03:05 PM
Seriously....what are you offering him this year? Do you think that's going to jump a significant amount in 2015? Worst case scenario.....we franchise tag him.

Because he's clearly a part of our long-term strategy.

I sign him based on his numbers NOW, while my leverage is the strongest. You can play on $8m/year for 6 years, or you can play on what is now a 1 year contract for half a million.

Worst mistake we could make is to give him another year to rack up 15 sacks.

The Franchise
02-03-2014, 03:07 PM
Because he's clearly a part of our long-term strategy.

I sign him based on his numbers NOW, while my leverage is the strongest. You can play on $8m/year for 6 years, or you can play on what is now a 1 year contract for half a million.

Worst mistake we could make is to give him another year to rack up 15 sacks.

But you've already proven that using your leverage now might fuck the team cap wise. Could he hit 15 sacks next season? Sure. But he could also hit 11 or 12 again and you'd be in the same boat as you are now.

Direckshun
02-03-2014, 03:07 PM
More than enough to get one of the best FS's in the league and stop the deep play bleeding...

Slow your roll.

We have to extend Alex Smith, Schwartz, and probably McCluster at bare minimum. I would expect us to make a run at TJax as well, and of course *I* would extend Houston.

Direckshun
02-03-2014, 03:09 PM
But you've already proven that using your leverage now might **** the team cap wise. Could he hit 15 sacks next season? Sure. But he could also hit 11 or 12 again and you'd be in the same boat as you are now.

And he'd have all the leverage of the market in his side.

If he doesn't get a deal NOW, he has to play for peanuts and hopefully stay healthy. If he doesn't get what he wants next year, we'll have to fuck ourselves with the tag or let him get paid anywhere else. He will cost more.

bowener
02-03-2014, 04:45 PM
Would it be plausible to ask Flowers to restructure his contract so that we could trade him without eating a mountain of dead money? Not much incentive in it for him except to be a starter elsewhere.

I'm not saying he isn't a solid player, and possibly another year as the nickel DB will greatly benefit him, but currently he eats up a ton of cap with marginal returns on a lesser position (though growing in need with the amount of passing in the league now).

I believe the Chiefs can keep Cooper outside, extend Smith, and get them some god damn help over the top. I am sure the Chiefs could find a suitable NB for far cheaper via the draft or free agency. Granted I am also an idiot...

Rausch
02-03-2014, 04:50 PM
Slow your roll.

We have to extend Alex Smith, Schwartz, and probably McCluster at bare minimum. I would expect us to make a run at TJax as well, and of course *I* would extend Houston.

No need to extend Smith or anything to McCluster other than the middle finger.

RNR
02-03-2014, 05:33 PM
Matters little but this site has Oakland listed 3 mill less than anywhere I have seen~

-King-
02-03-2014, 05:59 PM
Tried.

Had no idea what I was doing.

Quit.

Chief Roundup
02-03-2014, 06:11 PM
Restructuring Hali nets you around $4 million.

Restructuring Flowers nets you around $4 million.

Restructuring Bowe nets you around $5.5 million.

Restructuring Succop gets you about $1.5 million.

So after cutting Robinson and restructuring those 4 contracts....you're at $20 million in cap room.

So with those 4 moves you added 4 mil + of dead money to the cap every year for the next 4. That doesn't sound real good either.

The Franchise
02-03-2014, 06:22 PM
So with those 4 moves you added 4 mil + of dead money to the cap every year for the next 4. That doesn't sound real good either.

Never said it was the perfect thing to do. Direckshun wanted to be at $20 million. That is one way to get there.

In reality....I would probably restructure Bowe and Flowers. Leave Hali's contract alone and extend Berry's contract.

Sorter
02-03-2014, 06:22 PM
Well, this is going to eat up some free time.

Direckshun
02-04-2014, 03:49 PM
Alright, here's what I did.

I restructured Bowe, Berry, Hali, Flowers, Succop, and Sean Smith.

I brought back Powe, Demps, and Gafford. I did not bring back Akeem Jordan; let Nico and James-Michael fight it out for that spot. I also let Abdullah walk.

I signed McCluster for 4 years, $16m. I signed Schwartz for 3 years, $6m.

I extended Alex Smith for 4 years, $60m. I extended Justin Houston for 5 years, $50m.

I cut Dunta Robinson, Fasano, and Derrick Johnson (sorry).

I now have $11m in free cap room. (Although, oddly, I'm $27m over the cap for 2015, so I'm clearly going to have to do this a bit differently next time.)

I can burn probably about $3m/year on Clemons, $4m/year on Maclin or Tate, and $1m/year on a swing tackle like Khalif Barnes or Winston Justice.

My draft:

1. Amaro
3. ILB Shayne Skov, Stanford
4. OLB Kareem Martin, UNC
5. RB DeVonta Freeman, Florida State
6a. DE Will Clarke, West Virginia
6b. CB Aaron Colvin, Oklahoma

QB: Smith, Daniel, Bray
RB: Charles, Davis, Freeman, Gray
FB: Sherman

WR: Bowe, Maclin/Tate, Avery, McCluster, Jenkins, Hemingway
TE: Amaro, Kelce, McGrath

LT: Fisher/Stephenson, Barnes
LG: Allen, Johnson
C: Hudson, Kush
RG: Schwartz, Johnson
RT: Fisher/Stephenson, Barnes

DE: DeVito, Clarke
NT: Poe, Powe
DE: Bailey, Catapano

OLB: Hali, Martin
ILB: Johnson, Johnson
ILB: Skov, Johnson
OLB: Houston, Moses

CB: Flowers, Smith, Cooper, Parker, Colvin
S: Berry, Clemons, Commings, Demps

K: Succop
P: Colquitt
LS: Gafford

KCrockaholic
02-04-2014, 04:09 PM
Pretty awesome! Thanks for sharing the site. Could spend waaaay too much time on that.

BryanBusby
02-04-2014, 05:19 PM
A lot of people ITT don't really seem to understand all the concepts behind restructuring.

BossChief
02-04-2014, 09:14 PM
I think I'm doing it wrong or something.

I click the link, but it goes to an overthecap page, but I don't see much else.

Something to do with trying to view it on the iPad?