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Msmith
02-04-2014, 08:51 AM
For the team of 1992:

Christian Laettner
David Robinson
Patrick Ewing
Larry Bird
Scotty Pippen
Michael Jordan
Clyde Drexler
Karl Malone
John Stockton
Chris Mullen
Charles Barkley
Magic Johnson

For the team of 2012:

Tyson Chandler
Kevin Durant
LeBron James
Russell Westbrook
Deron Williams
Andre Iguodala
Kobe Bryant
Kevin Love
James Harden
Chris Paul
Anthony Davis
Carmelo Anthony

Bryant and James believed the 2012 team would win against the 1992 Olympic team.

notorious
02-04-2014, 08:55 AM
92'

Direckshun
02-04-2014, 08:55 AM
1992 would damn near sweep them.

notorious
02-04-2014, 08:56 AM
1992 would damn near sweep them.

And beat them to a bloody pulp in the process.

Direckshun
02-04-2014, 09:07 AM
And beat them to a bloody pulp in the process.

Absolutely.

I mean, you just gotta consider what the Dream Team can do that the 2012 team can't.

The 2012 team can't match the in-paint power of the DT. Robinson and Ewing will absolutely kill Howard and not-yet-pro Anthony Davis in the paint, and that's before you even include Malone or Barkley, who were ferocious in the paint. Pippen will have lockdown duties on LeBron. And the 2012 team will have absolutely zero answer for Magic Johnson (who was still extremely dangerous with the ball) and Michael fucking Jordan at the peak of his power.

I mean, Christ. Just the competitive juices of the 1992 team alone. They were out for goddamn blood. The 2012 team was much more jovial -- really the only player on the whole team that could match the intensity of the DT's starting five would be Kobe. But you've got Jordan locking down Kobe.

What's the 2012 team going to do? Run on the Dream Team? The entire Dream Team with the obvious exception of Larry Bird could run, and they had Magic fucking Johnson as their starting 1. No team in basketball history could run as well as the DT.

The 2012 team would only have one thing the DT would struggle with: Chris Paul. The DT has no real matchup for Paul when he has the ball. But Stockton was an underrated defender, and it's not like Paul can shoot over Magic, who was 6'9".

Kevin Durant in 2012 was really good, but he's not the All World player he is now.

Barkley rightly said that only three players from the 2012 team would even make the DT.

The DT could outrun, outshoot, outphysical, and outhustle the 2012. In every regard a team could be great, the DT is better.

loochy
02-04-2014, 09:14 AM
I think the inclusion of the mighty Christian Laettner really puts the original Dream Team over the top.

Msmith
02-04-2014, 09:15 AM
Nice post, Direckshun.

notorious
02-04-2014, 09:25 AM
The Dream Team got fisted by the college all-stars in a scrimmage game.

It blew my mind when I saw it in a documentary. The PR people kept it very secret when it happened.

Chuck Daly purposely tried to sabotage the DT in the game to light a fire under their ass. Jordan barely played.

It worked. LMAO

Jimmya
02-04-2014, 09:29 AM
1992

Mama Hip Rockets
02-04-2014, 09:30 AM
92

Strongside
02-04-2014, 09:32 AM
Not sure if serious.

Amnorix
02-04-2014, 09:36 AM
I don't remember which Olympic team it was -- maybe even the 2012 one -- but someone asked Larry Bird if he thought that the new team could beat the 1992 Dream Team. I really liked his answer.

"Well, they probably could. I haven't played in 20 years and we're all pretty old now."

Pretty funny. That said, the '92 team, and I really don't think it's that close. Bird was well past his prime at that point, so his name is more intimidating than what he brought to the court at that point, but as for the rest of them....whew.

SAUTO
02-04-2014, 09:44 AM
this is a no doubter.


92.

only someone that wasn't alive then could try to say different

chiefzilla1501
02-04-2014, 09:48 AM
Good god, 92 by a mile. Apart from lebron and Durant, the 2012 team would get eaten alive by the 92 team on defense.

blaise
02-04-2014, 09:53 AM
92 but I would expect Lebron and Kobe to say they'd win. I'm sure they think they would.

BlackHelicopters
02-04-2014, 10:01 AM
1992. Good thread.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-04-2014, 10:03 AM
'92 has the best player of all time (Jordan), the best PG of all time (Magic), the best perimeter defender of all time (Pippen), two elite centers, and the best shooting forward of all time (Bird).

As star-packed as it was, it was also a perfectly constructed team.

Fansy the Famous Bard
02-04-2014, 10:06 AM
Lebron and Kobe are both great players, and would make the 92 era team... As well as Durant... Outside of that, the rest of the '12 team isn't even in the same discussion. In fact, it's pretty friggen bad in comparison.

TheUte
02-04-2014, 10:07 AM
92, I don't know how anyone could pick against MJ.

Fansy the Famous Bard
02-04-2014, 10:08 AM
To be honest, I'm just so glad I was alive and old enough to witness the golden age of the NBA. The amount of great players during that time is staggering.

loochy
02-04-2014, 10:09 AM
Good god, 92 by a mile. Apart from lebron and Durant, the 2012 team would get eaten alive by the 92 team on defense.

what era rules are they playing under?

mikey23545
02-04-2014, 10:10 AM
One thing about that 92 team was how they wanted to win so badly.

Barkley had a white hot intensity through that whole Olympics and it spread through the whole team - not that many of those competitors needed any outside help. That's why they are who they are - Bird, Jordan, Johnson, Ewing, Malone...Good God, what a lineup.

Who would win, 1992 or 2012? This borders on being a rhetorical question.

cosmo20002
02-04-2014, 10:13 AM
Which Dream Team is better, 1992 or 2012?

Question is FAIL.
1992 is the only Dream Team. The others were just...not.

Brock
02-04-2014, 10:14 AM
Pretty much illustrates why I don't watch the nba anymore.

Amnorix
02-04-2014, 10:24 AM
One thing about that 92 team was how they wanted to win so badly.

Barkley had a white hot intensity through that whole Olympics and it spread through the whole team - not that many of those competitors needed any outside help. That's why they are who they are - Bird, Jordan, Johnson, Ewing, Malone...Good God, what a lineup.

Who would win, 1992 or 2012? This borders on being a rhetorical question.


This is a great point. Other than Kobe, I'm not sure how many of the guys on the 2012 have that BURNING NEED to win that many of the guys on the 1992 team had.

Magic, Bird, Jordan -- those guys would basically KILL to win.

tyton75
02-04-2014, 10:25 AM
'92.. hands down.

probably the best collection of players to ever be on the same team.

Mama Hip Rockets
02-04-2014, 10:25 AM
I don't remember which Olympic team it was -- maybe even the 2012 one -- but someone asked Larry Bird if he thought that the new team could beat the 1992 Dream Team. I really liked his answer.

"Well, they probably could. I haven't played in 20 years and we're all pretty old now."



ROFL

Msmith
02-04-2014, 10:29 AM
This is a great point. Other than Kobe, I'm not sure how many of the guys on the 2012 have that BURNING NEED to win that many of the guys on the 1992 team had.

Magic, Bird, Jordan -- those guys would basically KILL to win.

But you need to remember that this was the first ever basketball team assembled from the NBA. They wanted the legacy to last.

chiefzilla1501
02-04-2014, 10:30 AM
what era rules are they playing under?

I don't think that matters. The big key is everyone on the 92 team tried to play defense. The 2012 team is loaded with guys who flat out do not care about playing defense. Throw in a Rodman, and you might just have a lebron stopper.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-04-2014, 10:32 AM
I don't think that matters. The big key is everyone on the 92 team tried to play defense. The 2012 team is loaded with guys who flat out do not care about playing defense. Throw in a Rodman, and you might just have a lebron stopper.

Rodman was not quick enough to stop LeBron. Pippen was long enough and fast enough to give him problems, though.

Honestly, a better question is this:

If the former Yugoslavia had not broken up, how much of a game could they have given the 2012 team?

notorious
02-04-2014, 11:08 AM
The hand checking rules now give the players a lot more separation.


Back in 92' it was a full-contact sport.

Pitt Gorilla
02-04-2014, 11:12 AM
I love the current guys, but the 92 team would kill them (possibly literally).

Pitt Gorilla
02-04-2014, 11:16 AM
I don't think that matters. The big key is everyone on the 92 team tried to play defense. The 2012 team is loaded with guys who flat out do not care about playing defense. Throw in a Rodman, and you might just have a lebron stopper.Mullin did NOT play defense.

notorious
02-04-2014, 11:16 AM
I would go as far to say that the next best 12 from 92' would give the 2012 team a hell of a run.

Hakeem Olajuwon
Gary Payton
Isiah Thomas
Reggie Lewis
Mark Price
Tim Hardaway
Dennis Rodman

There are others to add to this list.

Fansy the Famous Bard
02-04-2014, 11:18 AM
Mullin did NOT play defense.

Yet he'd beone of the better defenders on the '12 team. What's that say?

Predarat
02-04-2014, 11:27 AM
1992 by alot.

KCinNY
02-04-2014, 11:28 AM
It wouldn't have been that difficult for Daley to hide Mullin and Bird on defense. The other guys would've made it easy.

'92 had better 3 point shooters too.

BigCatDaddy
02-04-2014, 11:34 AM
In a best of seven 4-0 92.

SAUTO
02-04-2014, 11:34 AM
I think Jordan would shut Durant down defensively...

MotherfuckerJones
02-04-2014, 11:53 AM
Hahahaha is this even a fucking question? :facepalm:

BlackHelicopters
02-04-2014, 01:17 PM
1992

Pitt Gorilla
02-04-2014, 01:21 PM
Yet he'd beone of the better defenders on the '12 team. What's that say?No, he wouldn't. Once again, the 92 team would slaughter the 12 team, but Mully would NOT be one of the better defenders. He might be better than a few, but he wouldn't be in the top half.

Perineum Ripper
02-04-2014, 01:38 PM
92 would physically wear out the 12 team..down low would be a joke..the 12 team wouldn't have anyone left in the game because if they didn't foul out they would be exhausted..92 would win by an average of 20 points a game easily and win 9 out of 10 times

scho63
02-04-2014, 02:19 PM
1992 vs 2012 would be like Seattle against Denver

Garcia Bronco
02-04-2014, 02:23 PM
Absolutely.

I mean, you just gotta consider what the Dream Team can do that the 2012 team can't.

The 2012 team can't match the in-paint power of the DT. Robinson and Ewing will absolutely kill Howard and not-yet-pro Anthony Davis in the paint, and that's before you even include Malone or Barkley, who were ferocious in the paint. Pippen will have lockdown duties on LeBron. And the 2012 team will have absolutely zero answer for Magic Johnson (who was still extremely dangerous with the ball) and Michael ****ing Jordan at the peak of his power.

I mean, Christ. Just the competitive juices of the 1992 team alone. They were out for goddamn blood. The 2012 team was much more jovial -- really the only player on the whole team that could match the intensity of the DT's starting five would be Kobe. But you've got Jordan locking down Kobe.

What's the 2012 team going to do? Run on the Dream Team? The entire Dream Team with the obvious exception of Larry Bird could run, and they had Magic ****ing Johnson as their starting 1. No team in basketball history could run as well as the DT.

The 2012 team would only have one thing the DT would struggle with: Chris Paul. The DT has no real matchup for Paul when he has the ball. But Stockton was an underrated defender, and it's not like Paul can shoot over Magic, who was 6'9".

Kevin Durant in 2012 was really good, but he's not the All World player he is now.

Barkley rightly said that only three players from the 2012 team would even make the DT.

The DT could outrun, outshoot, outphysical, and outhustle the 2012. In every regard a team could be great, the DT is better.

/end of thread

RobBlake
02-05-2014, 02:50 AM
MJ would not lock down Kobe first of all. MJ has the edge prob. but Kobe would get his. THe only disparity is in the center position. ok i lied. But Kobe and Lebron would make it entertaining at least lol. Durant would get shut down.

J Diddy
02-05-2014, 02:55 AM
MJ would not lock down Kobe first of all. MJ has the edge prob. but Kobe would get his. THe only disparity is in the center position

Michael Jordan has the edge "probably"?


Are you fucking stupid?

crazycoffey
02-05-2014, 03:23 AM
92, if you even watch basketball half assed in 92 and 2012 you'd agree. Honestly I'd expect some of the 12 players to agree with me. And, to be fair; there are very good 2012 players, but the 92 players (also good) made a great team. Being a team sport; 92 wins hands down, IMO

Just Passin' By
02-05-2014, 03:25 AM
Center play alone would mean '92 kicking '12 all over the court. The rest would just be piling on.

crazycoffey
02-05-2014, 03:28 AM
Michael Jordan has the edge "probably"?


Are you ****ing stupid?

No, he said MJ wouldn't lock down Kobe, he's worse than stupid, he's ignorant. Probably will never understand why

crazycoffey
02-05-2014, 03:32 AM
Center play alone would mean '92 kicking '12 all over the court. The rest would just be piling on.

Its possible /plausible to outplay a team with inferior center play. Trade the centers, 92 still wins, 99/100 games. They were that good.

Just Passin' By
02-05-2014, 03:37 AM
Its possible /plausible to outplay a team with inferior center play. Trade the centers, 92 still wins, 99/100 games. They were that good.

It's possible to outplay a team with inferior play at any position. My point was that the center position so overwhelmingly goes to '92 that a comparison of the other spots is just icing on the cake.

crazycoffey
02-05-2014, 03:44 AM
It's possible to outplay a team with inferior play at any position. My point was that the center position so overwhelmingly goes to '92 that a comparison of the other spots is just icing on the cake.

I wasn't disagreeing, I actually agreed and then took it further to say more about 92

Just Passin' By
02-05-2014, 03:57 AM
I wasn't disagreeing, I actually agreed and then took it further to say more about 92

Got it. My fault on the initial misunderstanding. :huh:

KChiefs1
06-14-2020, 01:00 PM
NBCSports Washington is showing the 1992 Olympic final of the Dream Team vs Croatia at 3pm CDT today.

Directv: 642
Dish: 412-14

Can’t wait to watch it.

DRM08
06-14-2020, 02:31 PM
'92 has the best player of all time (Jordan), the best PG of all time (Magic), the best perimeter defender of all time (Pippen), two elite centers, and the best shooting forward of all time (Bird).

As star-packed as it was, it was also a perfectly constructed team.

People forget how good of a defender Jordan was. I think he would lock down Kobe. Pippen would do a damn good job on LeBron. Durant is the one that I don't think anyone can really defend. But I also don't think anyone on that 2012 team could defend prime Jordan, prime Malone, prime Barkley, and others. Even past-their-prime Bird & Magic were still really damn good on the offensive side of the ball.

Easy 6
06-14-2020, 02:38 PM
The one with Jordan, duh

RunKC
06-14-2020, 02:50 PM
Kobe, LeBron, KD and Russ are the only guys who would put pressure on the 92 team. The rest would get obliterated

BigCatDaddy
06-14-2020, 02:52 PM
The bad thing is when the NBA went global because of 92 it was the first domino in bringing in the Euro Trash flop ball we have today.

Tribal Warfare
06-14-2020, 03:01 PM
1992 Dream Team curb stomps 2012

Megatron96
06-14-2020, 03:04 PM
Bryant and James must've been on crack when they said they could've beaten DT92.

If they played by the old rules, DT12 would've been shellacked before HT in every game.

By today's rules, it might take a little longer, but I'd be surprised if DT12 could've beaten DT92 more than once in 10 games.

DRM08
06-14-2020, 03:11 PM
Scary thing with the 92 team: imagine if Olajuwon was already a citizen. He missed out on 1992 due to citizenship issue, but he was on the 1996 team. Imagine if they took Shaq instead of Laettner. Shaq and Hakeem plus all the other guys on that 92 team...holy cow

Megatron96
06-14-2020, 03:14 PM
Scary thing with the 92 team: imagine if Olajuwon was already a citizen. He missed out on 1992 due to citizenship issue, but he was on the 1996 team. Imagine if they took Shaq instead of Laettner. Shaq and Hakeem plus all the other guys on that 92 team...holy cow

If they took the Dream, DT12 would never beat them in a hundred tries . . .

Deberg_1990
06-14-2020, 03:24 PM
2004

Raiderhater
06-14-2020, 03:52 PM
One thing about that 92 team was how they wanted to win so badly.

Barkley had a white hot intensity through that whole Olympics and it spread through the whole team - not that many of those competitors needed any outside help. That's why they are who they are - Bird, Jordan, Johnson, Ewing, Malone...Good God, what a lineup.

Who would win, 1992 or 2012? This borders on being a rhetorical question.

I was 11 in ‘92 and had never really paid attention to the NBA because I was in the KC market with parents from KC and there was no NBA franchise for me to care about. The Dream Team captures my attention and, Sir Charles in particular. I became a Suns fan because of my exposure to him and the DT. And that team was all universe. No one, past, present or future is beating them. They were just unreal.

Pitt Gorilla
06-14-2020, 04:05 PM
Scary thing with the 92 team: imagine if Olajuwon was already a citizen. He missed out on 1992 due to citizenship issue, but he was on the 1996 team. Imagine if they took Shaq instead of Laettner. Shaq and Hakeem plus all the other guys on that 92 team...holy cowI would love to hear the reasoning of choosing Laettner over Shaq. Was it due to him being a junior? Laettner was hot trash.

Megatron96
06-14-2020, 04:13 PM
I would love to hear the reasoning of choosing Laettner over Shaq. Was it due to him being a junior? Laettner was hot trash.

As I recall, they were obligated to take at least one college player.

It was understood at the time, that the roster would be comprised of some combination of pro and college players. As a token to amateur teams of the past, it was ultimately decided that the 1992 roster would include at least one collegian.

vailpass
06-14-2020, 04:29 PM
1992 Dream Team curb stomps 2012

And it wouldn’t be close. If the played by 92 rules 12 would be left bruised and crying.

vailpass
06-14-2020, 04:30 PM
As I recall, they were obligated to take at least one college player.

It was understood at the time, that the roster would be comprised of some combination of pro and college players. As a token to amateur teams of the past, it was ultimately decided that the 1992 roster would include at least one collegian.

Yep.

Pitt Gorilla
06-14-2020, 04:31 PM
As I recall, they were obligated to take at least one college player.

It was understood at the time, that the roster would be comprised of some combination of pro and college players. As a token to amateur teams of the past, it was ultimately decided that the 1992 roster would include at least one collegian.Shaq was a college player as well and a hell of a lot better than Laettner.

RustShack
06-14-2020, 04:31 PM
Hard to say. Physically I think the 12 team is more advanced. 92 played more physical and cared more about the sport than they did money. 92 might have played better as a team where as 12 has more selfish players.

I think 12 has higher upside, but 92 would probably pull it out.

Megatron96
06-14-2020, 04:38 PM
Shaq was a college player as well and a hell of a lot better than Laettner.

From my old rag "The Sporting News":

"He (Laettner) had just won the Wooden Award and back-to-back national championships at Duke. His Elite Eight buzzer beater against Kentucky that year remains iconic.

So while Shaquille O'Neal (LSU) and Alonzo Mourning (Georgetown) were probably better players at the time, Laettner did have star power of his own.

. . . O'Neal has said that while he was frustrated to be left out, he understood the choice.

“I was pissed off. I was jealous," O'Neal said in a radio interview during the 2012 NBA Finals. "But then I had to come to the realization that I was a more explosive, more powerful player, but Christian Laettner was a little bit more fundamentally sound than I was.""

tk13
06-14-2020, 04:42 PM
I would love to hear the reasoning of choosing Laettner over Shaq. Was it due to him being a junior? Laettner was hot trash.

Far be it for me to defend Christian Laettner, but this is some serious revisionist history. Laettner was a starter on 4 Final Four teams, won two titles, player of the year, all kinds of awards. Was considered an all-time clutch college player, including two buzzer beaters to send them to the Final Four. Shaq was a monster though, no doubt. But considering whoever they chose was going to ride the bench anyway, it was pretty easy to go with the guy who'd just led his team to two straight titles and was considered one of the greatest college players of all time.

Raiderhater
06-14-2020, 04:42 PM
From my old rag "The Sporting News":

"He (Laettner) had just won the Wooden Award and back-to-back national championships at Duke. His Elite Eight buzzer beater against Kentucky that year remains iconic.

So while Shaquille O'Neal (LSU) and Alonzo Mourning (Georgetown) were probably better players at the time, Laettner did have star power of his own.

. . . O'Neal has said that while he was frustrated to be left out, he understood the choice.

“I was pissed off. I was jealous," O'Neal said in a radio interview during the 2012 NBA Finals. "But then I had to come to the realization that I was a more explosive, more powerful player, but Christian Laettner was a little bit more fundamentally sound than I was.""

Shaq did require a bit of refining coming out of college.

vailpass
06-14-2020, 04:59 PM
Shaq and Laettner were two different kinds of players and Daly had his reasons for thinking Laettner filled more of a potential need than Shaq. Like TK said, neither was going to see significant floor time.

RustShack
06-14-2020, 05:00 PM
Far be it for me to defend Christian Laettner, but this is some serious revisionist history. Laettner was a starter on 4 Final Four teams, won two titles, player of the year, all kinds of awards. Was considered an all-time clutch college player, including two buzzer beaters to send them to the Final Four. Shaq was a monster though, no doubt. But considering whoever they chose was going to ride the bench anyway, it was pretty easy to go with the guy who'd just led his team to two straight titles and was considered one of the greatest college players of all time.

How did his NBA career go? I’m pretty intrigued, I’d never heard the name but I was also 3 1/2 during the 92 Olympics.

Megatron96
06-14-2020, 05:07 PM
How did his NBA career go? I’m pretty intrigued, I’d never heard the name but I was also 3 1/2 during the 92 Olympics.

https://www.landofbasketball.com/nba_players/l/christian_laettner.htm

RustShack
06-14-2020, 05:12 PM
https://www.landofbasketball.com/nba_players/l/christian_laettner.htm

Honestly that’s more than I expected. I figured he was more of a bust that didn’t last long. Surprised the name doesn’t stick out to me, but I also didn’t really really start following until around 03.

Megatron96
06-14-2020, 05:21 PM
Honestly that’s more than I expected. I figured he was more of a bust that didn’t last long. Surprised the name doesn’t stick out to me, but I also didn’t really really start following until around 03.

He had about 6 solid seasons to begin his career. however, he never really 'wowed' the way he did in college, and he never really found a home with an NBA team.

His NBA career was overshadowed by his collegiate achievements:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Laettner

But he was a solid NBA player, just not a superstar, which most thought he would be. That high expectation vs. reality made him forgettable in most fan's minds, IMO.

cosmo20002
06-14-2020, 05:30 PM
Is this a joke thread? 92, easy.

Some like to point out that Bird and Magic were washed up and were just there as names. Magic had sat out a season, but was only 32 and his prior season he his averages were 19/7/12. He could play.

And Bird's back was wrecked and the Olympics were his final games, yet even with the bad back in a physical era, he still went for 20/10/7 his final season leading to the Olympics.

Tribal Warfare
06-14-2020, 05:30 PM
He had about 6 solid seasons to begin his career. however, he never really 'wowed' the way he did in college, and he never really found a home with an NBA team.

His NBA career was overshadowed by his collegiate achievements:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Laettner

But he was a solid NBA player, just not a superstar, which most thought he would be. That high expectation vs. reality made him forgettable in most fan's minds, IMO.


Laettner was a renowned prima donna entitled asshole

Halfcan
06-14-2020, 05:35 PM
1992 Dream Team was the best of the best in history.

scho63
06-14-2020, 05:49 PM
David Robinson
Larry Bird
Michael Jordan
Charles Barkley
Magic Johnson

That's one hell of a starting 5

BigCatDaddy
06-14-2020, 05:54 PM
This thread makes me miss the days of the dominant centers and PFs.

Spott
06-14-2020, 06:25 PM
This thread makes me miss the days of the dominant centers and PFs.

There were so many great centers back then compared to now. Hakeem was an all-time great and he didn’t even make the team. The surplus of dominant centers at the time was probably one of the reasons Shaq wasn’t on that team.

vailpass
06-14-2020, 07:21 PM
This thread makes me miss the days of the dominant centers and PFs.

And defense. But yeah, the power forwards back then were a joy to watch. And the middle came with a price.

DRM08
06-14-2020, 07:46 PM
Shaq did require a bit of refining coming out of college.

But in 1992, the rest of the world stood no chance of slowing him down...especially if he was on a team full of other mega-talented players.

DRM08
06-14-2020, 07:51 PM
There were so many great centers back then compared to now. Hakeem was an all-time great and he didn’t even make the team. The surplus of dominant centers at the time was probably one of the reasons Shaq wasn’t on that team.

Hakeem was only left out due to citizenship issue. He became American citizen in 1993. If only this could have been pushed through a year earlier...

RustShack
06-14-2020, 07:51 PM
There were so many great centers back then compared to now. Hakeem was an all-time great and he didn’t even make the team. The surplus of dominant centers at the time was probably one of the reasons Shaq wasn’t on that team.

I mean there could be today, but for the most part they can’t keep up with all the 3-4 guard lineups and athletic forwards. It’s not like people suddenly shrunk, if anything there more tall athletic players.

Pitt Gorilla
06-14-2020, 08:16 PM
Far be it for me to defend Christian Laettner, but this is some serious revisionist history. Laettner was a starter on 4 Final Four teams, won two titles, player of the year, all kinds of awards. Was considered an all-time clutch college player, including two buzzer beaters to send them to the Final Four. Shaq was a monster though, no doubt. But considering whoever they chose was going to ride the bench anyway, it was pretty easy to go with the guy who'd just led his team to two straight titles and was considered one of the greatest college players of all time.Let me be clear here; there was NOTHING revisionist about it. I was/am a Timberwolves fan. I wanted literally anyone BUT Laettner in that stupid draft. Seriously, anyone. So, yeah, I knew exactly who he was and how that was going to go down. Who do you think drafted his worthless ass?

Edit: I STILL have that NBA almanac that included the draft-eligible players. ****ing Laettner.

BigCatDaddy
06-14-2020, 09:21 PM
And defense. But yeah, the power forwards back then were a joy to watch. And the middle came with a price.

McHale was a favorite of mine to emulate. The man of a thousand moves.

Why Not?
06-14-2020, 09:23 PM
'92.. hands down.

probably the best collection of players to ever be on the same team.

This. In any sport.

Megatron96
06-14-2020, 09:26 PM
McHale was a favorite of mine to emulate. The man of a thousand moves.

Nice. Very few people seem to be able to appreciate Kevin McHale's genius in the paint/inside 15 feet. Or his defensive acumen. One of the true greats of all time.

BigCatDaddy
06-14-2020, 09:27 PM
Let me be clear here; there was NOTHING revisionist about it. I was/am a Timberwolves fan. I wanted literally anyone BUT Laettner in that stupid draft. Seriously, anyone. So, yeah, I knew exactly who he was and how that was going to go down. Who do you think drafted his worthless ass?

Edit: I STILL have that NBA almanac that included the draft-eligible players. ****ing Laettner.

Googs or JJ may have had slightly better careers but they didnt miss out on any one to lose sleep over.

KChiefs1
06-14-2020, 09:27 PM
Scary thing with the 92 team: imagine if Olajuwon was already a citizen. He missed out on 1992 due to citizenship issue, but he was on the 1996 team. Imagine if they took Shaq instead of Laettner. Shaq and Hakeem plus all the other guys on that 92 team...holy cow



Ewing, Olajuwon & Shaq at center?

Holy shit.


I still think the 1964 Dream Team was better.

Bill Russell & Wilt Chamberlain at center
Jerry West, Oscar Robertson & Bob Cousy at guard.
Elgin Baylor, Bob Pettit & Jerry Lucas at forward.

Walt Bellamy
Sam Jones
Hal Greer

Whatta team!

BigCatDaddy
06-14-2020, 09:29 PM
Nice. Very few people seem to be able to appreciate Kevin McHale's genius in the paint/inside 15 feet. Or his defensive acumen. One of the true greats of all time.

Amazing footwork on the block. Him, Hakeem, Timmy and MJ are the best I've seen down there in regards to footwork.

carlos3652
06-14-2020, 09:45 PM
I was 10 in 92. I was a Suns fan, and didn't hate the Chicago Bulls yet (until 93). That dream team would demolish any team in any sport. Legendary.

I think 92 in a best of seven wins all the games played, by AT LEAST 20 points.

POND_OF_RED
06-14-2020, 10:06 PM
92 team for sure, but the 2012 team could steal a couple games just do to stamina in a 7 game series. That 92 team was full of players past their primes, but so damn good that it probably wouldn’t matter.

cosmo20002
06-14-2020, 10:22 PM
Ewing, Olajuwon & Shaq at center?

Holy shit.


I still think the 1964 Dream Team was better.

Bill Russell & Wilt Chamberlain at center
Jerry West, Oscar Robertson & Bob Cousy at guard.
Elgin Baylor, Bob Pettit & Jerry Lucas at forward.

Walt Bellamy
Sam Jones
Hal Greer

Whatta team!

I don't think this team existed.

Megatron96
06-14-2020, 10:25 PM
Amazing footwork on the block. Him, Hakeem, Timmy and MJ are the best I've seen down there in regards to footwork.

When I was a kid I tried to emulate his triple move in the paint. Never had the footwork to do it that well. But My brother and I taught his son how to do it a couple years ago. He's a tremendous basketball player. He scores about 18 points a game as a sophomore in high school now. His coach asked my brother where he learned it, and my bro told him, "his uncle." I like to take a little pride in that.

BigCatDaddy
06-14-2020, 10:44 PM
The only down side to Kev is I'd have to put him Ainge, Rasheed Wallace, Lebron and Harden on the all cry baby team.

Megatron96
06-14-2020, 10:49 PM
The only down side to Kev is I'd have to put him Ainge, Rasheed Wallace, Lebron and Harden on the all cry baby team.

Ha, yeah, I'd have to agree. Especially Ainge. Swear he practiced crying in front of the mirror before games.

tk13
06-14-2020, 11:02 PM
Nice. Very few people seem to be able to appreciate Kevin McHale's genius in the paint/inside 15 feet. Or his defensive acumen. One of the true greats of all time.

Charles Barkley called him the toughest player he ever had to guard.

Demonpenz
06-15-2020, 12:12 AM
McHale is the OG oldman game.

vailpass
06-15-2020, 12:03 PM
McHale was a favorite of mine to emulate. The man of a thousand moves.

Yes. All of that plus he swallowed a keg.

PAChiefsGuy
06-15-2020, 12:11 PM
2012.. Too much firepower. Magic was a shell of his former self as was Bird. Kobe could matchup w MJ. LeBron and Durant would dominate. Plus Anthony Davis? Yeah 2012 in 6-games....

Megatron96
06-15-2020, 12:16 PM
Charles Barkley called him the toughest player he ever had to guard.

Saw an interview with Chuck when he was about 30 or so, where they asked him 'who is the best power forward in Chuck's experience?' Without skipping a beat, Barkley said, "Kevin McHale. Best power forward to ever play in NBA history, period." I remember the look of surprise on the two analysts' faces; they were sure Barkley was going to say himself.

Son of Logical
06-15-2020, 12:23 PM
2012.. Too much firepower. Magic was a shell of his former self as was Bird. Kobe could matchup w MJ. LeBron and Durant would dominate.

Did you watch the '92 team play?

You are 100% wrong about Magic being a shell, that man could still ball at a very high level in 92. Pippen would lock Lebron down. 100% No one, and I mean no one on the 2012 team could handle the big men on the 92 team. They would dump it down into the paint the whole game, and dominate. It wouldn't even be close. Plus the babies from the 2012 team would all be crying by halftime due to real defense being played. '92 team by 20 at a minimum.

KChiefs1
06-15-2020, 04:27 PM
I don't think this team existed.


You are correct but I was just stating hypothetically the ‘64 Dream Team would beat any dream team.

Perineum Ripper
06-15-2020, 05:00 PM
2012.. Too much firepower. Magic was a shell of his former self as was Bird. Kobe could matchup w MJ. LeBron and Durant would dominate. Plus Anthony Davis? Yeah 2012 in 6-games....




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candyman
06-15-2020, 05:37 PM
2012.. Too much firepower. Magic was a shell of his former self as was Bird. Kobe could matchup w MJ. LeBron and Durant would dominate. Plus Anthony Davis? Yeah 2012 in 6-games....

This may be the worst take I've seen on this site.

cosmo20002
06-15-2020, 05:54 PM
2012.. Too much firepower. Magic was a shell of his former self as was Bird. Kobe could matchup w MJ. LeBron and Durant would dominate. Plus Anthony Davis? Yeah 2012 in 6-games....

That "shell" of Bird had a wrecked back and still went for 20/10/7 his final season leading to the Olympics.

Megatron96
06-15-2020, 05:59 PM
This may be the worst take I've seen on this site.

Obviously you haven't read any UChieffybugger/Deberg/Loony-Guano/Lex/Kotter threads/posts . . . which you should be proud of.

New World Order
06-15-2020, 07:03 PM
92 for sure.

The second (maybe third) greatest pg of all-time didn’t even make the 92 team

And let’s say Isiah was on the team, then that means the all-time steals and assist leader wouldn’t have made it (Stockton)

Spott
06-15-2020, 07:12 PM
Hakeem was only left out due to citizenship issue. He became American citizen in 1993. If only this could have been pushed through a year earlier...

I forgot about Hakeem not being a citizen at the time. Too bad he didn’t get his citizenship a year earlier so he could have been on that team, too.

BigCatDaddy
06-15-2020, 07:14 PM
This may be the worst take I've seen on this site.

You must have missed his Alex Smith takes.

BigCatDaddy
06-15-2020, 07:18 PM
92 for sure.

The second (maybe third) greatest pg of all-time didn’t even make the 92 team

And let’s say Isiah was on the team, then that means the all-time steals and assist leader wouldn’t have made it (Stockton)

They would have booted someone besides Stockton. Probably Mullin and played Magic with Isiah or John.

PAChiefsGuy
06-15-2020, 07:20 PM
Did you watch the '92 team play?

You are 100% wrong about Magic being a shell, that man could still ball at a very high level in 92. Pippen would lock Lebron down. 100% No one, and I mean no one on the 2012 team could handle the big men on the 92 team. They would dump it down into the paint the whole game, and dominate. It wouldn't even be close. Plus the babies from the 2012 team would all be crying by halftime due to real defense being played. '92 team by 20 at a minimum.

Pippen would lock LeBron down? Man what are you smoking? Must be some strong shit.

BigCatDaddy
06-15-2020, 07:24 PM
Pippen would give him fits and if he got by him you had the Admiral ready to toss his weak shit. Getting to the rim wasn't easy in the glory days of the NBA.

Red Dawg
06-15-2020, 07:53 PM
2012 hands down.

PAChiefsGuy
06-15-2020, 08:06 PM
Pippen would give him fits and if he got by him you had the Admiral ready to toss his weak shit. Getting to the rim wasn't easy in the glory days of the NBA.

LeBron is one of best passers of all-time. He'd dish to A Davis if that was the case. Then you got Durant. There's no one that can guard him.

I'm telling you that 2012 team would give Dream Team all sorts of problems and probably win.

Megatron96
06-15-2020, 08:30 PM
LeBron is one of best passers of all-time. He'd dish to A Davis if that was the case. Then you got Durant. There's no one that can guard him.

I'm telling you that 2012 team would give Dream Team all sorts of problems and probably win.

Durant, though I was a fan, has never had the physicality to play against DT92. He'd get pushed around all game.

vailpass
06-15-2020, 10:17 PM
LeBron is one of best passers of all-time. He'd dish to A Davis if that was the case. Then you got Durant. There's no one that can guard him.

I'm telling you that 2012 team would give Dream Team all sorts of problems and probably win.

Are you assuming they’d play by 2012 rules with 2012 refs?

Jerok
06-15-2020, 10:28 PM
2012 easy. I have never heard of the 92 guys. Didn't the Michael Jordan guy play baseball? I think you have him in the wrong sport.

PAChiefsGuy
06-15-2020, 11:25 PM
Are you assuming they’d play by 2012 rules with 2012 refs?

Yes

vailpass
06-16-2020, 05:44 PM
Yes

So, a jump shot contest. I’d rather stick needles in my eye.

Played by the 92 rules, so we could see them play actual basketball, are you still thinking 12 would win?
Or maybe you’re too young to have been a fan in the ‘90s? Which is no knock on you, just looking to understand where you’re coming from.

RustShack
06-16-2020, 08:13 PM
Alright, someone pull out the simulator.

scho63
06-17-2020, 01:49 AM
what era rules are they playing under?

Certainly not the "LeBron can take 7 steps without a dribble" rule. ;)

scho63
06-17-2020, 01:51 AM
2012 easy. I have never heard of the 92 guys. Didn't the Michael Jordan guy play baseball? I think you have him in the wrong sport.

You realize you're a Jerko for anyone with spelling issues or dyslexia. That's pretty telling to your answer. :rolleyes:

Garcia Bronco
06-17-2020, 06:37 AM
The 92 team would send the 12-team back home to their Mama's crying.

tatorhog
06-17-2020, 07:37 AM
2012 easy. I have never heard of the 92 guys. Didn't the Michael Jordan guy play baseball? I think you have him in the wrong sport.

You're thinking of Danny Ainge, but he wasn't on the team.

Or maybe Dave Debusschere? However he was retired long before either team came to be. :)

KChiefs1
06-17-2020, 09:14 AM
Alright, someone pull out the simulator.


I’ll take the 1964 Dream Team.

FloridaMan88
06-17-2020, 10:42 AM
2012 team... more of the players were in or near their career primes and the competition was much better than in 1992.

HayWire
06-17-2020, 11:02 AM
Certainly not the "LeBron can take 7 steps without a dribble" rule. ;)https://media1.tenor.com/images/e7eee817c7be641f20f269b6c80f7acc/tenor.gif

AdolfOliverBush
06-17-2020, 11:10 AM
The 1992 team was the greatest basketball team ever assembled.

vailpass
06-17-2020, 04:00 PM
2012 team... more of the players were in or near their career primes and the competition was much better than in 1992.

LMAO

Megatron96
06-17-2020, 04:16 PM
2012 easy. I have never heard of the 92 guys. Didn't the Michael Jordan guy play baseball? I think you have him in the wrong sport.

David Robinson
Patrick Ewing
Larry Bird
Scotty Pippen
Michael Jordan
Clyde Drexler
Karl Malone
John Stockton
Chris Mullen
Charles Barkley
Magic Johnson

You've never heard of these guys? Just about everyone on that list is on the "50 greatest NBA players of all-time" list. Everyone on this list is a HOFer, IIRC.

If you've never heard of these guys, you probably shouldn't talk about basketball, buddy.

FloridaMan88
06-17-2020, 07:11 PM
LMAO

LMAO Failpass the dumbshit as usual.

New World Order
06-17-2020, 08:32 PM
2012 team... more of the players were in or near their career primes and the competition was much better than in 1992.

I’d argue that Croatia team in 92 was just as good as any team the US played in 2012.

92 Dream Team beat them by 30+