Jay Leno's last Tonight Show is in a few hours

[Hammock Parties]

Any fucks given?

http://www.biography.com/imported/images/Biography/Images/Profiles/L/Jay-Leno-9542191-1-402.jpg

[TimBone]

Not a one.

[LoneWolf]

No1curr.

[J Diddy]

Can't say as I've watched him once.

[LiveSteam]

Can't say as I've watched him once.
:LOL:
He'll be working for Fox by fall

[BigRedChief]

If it was the mid-80's. I'll record it and watch it just because....... to see if anything cool happens.

It's like Leno himself said, he's gotten old. He doesn't use twitter, can't do comedy sketches with Timberlake etc.slow jam the news, no way.

[ILChief]

He's an ass. Conan is way better. So is Fallon. So is letterman. Even kimmel is

[Rain Man]

The Tonight Show was such a big deal when I was a kid, and now it's totally irrelevant. I don't think it's just a Jay Leno thing, but I'm curious about what happened. Is it the advance of cable and a zillion channels? A decline in interest in talk shows? A decline in interest in celebrity gawking? I'm really curious.

Or perhaps I'm just reflecting my own perceptions, I guess. But seeing this thread supports my observation.

[alpha_omega]

I must be in the minority. Always liked Jay.
DVR set, thanks for the reminder.

[Big Poppa Payne]

I'd watch it but there is a kardashian thingy on at the same time.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Who?

[Psyko Tek]

yeah don't care he should go to Branson and set himself up as STAR in one of the resort things

[58-4ever]

Fallon>>>>>Leno

[Brock]

The Tonight Show was such a big deal when I was a kid, and now it's totally irrelevant. I don't think it's just a Jay Leno thing, but I'm curious about what happened. Is it the advance of cable and a zillion channels? A decline in interest in talk shows? A decline in interest in celebrity gawking? I'm really curious.

Or perhaps I'm just reflecting my own perceptions, I guess. But seeing this thread supports my observation.

Carson was the best. He held court in a way these people can't.

[TLO]

Nope.

[BigRedChief]

yeah don't care he should go to Branson and set himself up as STAR in one of the resort thingsHe's got a deal in Veagas. Making millions. Way to big for Branson except for a one time show.

[Macroach]

I must be in the minority. Always liked Jay.
DVR set, thanks for the reminder.

Same here, although the fact the Leno is getting "old" may be why I still watch him on night shifts at work. Personally, I don't like the political slant of Fallon whereas Leno would at least attempt to make fun of both parties, even when he wasn't funny.

Political stuff aside, I enjoy the Jaywalking and Headlines segments infinitely more than seeing Fallon and guests throw cold hot dogs through the mouths of cardboard cut outs of celebs. Maybe that's just this old man talking though.

[Sorter]

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[BigRedChief]

The Tonight Show was such a big deal when I was a kid, and now it's totally irrelevant. I don't think it's just a Jay Leno thing, but I'm curious about what happened. Is it the advance of cable and a zillion channels? A decline in interest in talk shows? A decline in interest in celebrity gawking? I'm really curious.

Or perhaps I'm just reflecting my own perceptions, I guess. But seeing this thread supports my observation.Agree. Was a huge deal growing up because we had no other choices and Johnny was funny.

I just don't watch the shows anymore. If there was something "really" funny I can watch it on youtube.

[Al Bundy]

The Tonight Show was such a big deal when I was a kid, and now it's totally irrelevant. I don't think it's just a Jay Leno thing, but I'm curious about what happened. Is it the advance of cable and a zillion channels? A decline in interest in talk shows? A decline in interest in celebrity gawking? I'm really curious.

Or perhaps I'm just reflecting my own perceptions, I guess. But seeing this thread supports my observation.

I think that might be it. I mean you have ABC, FOX, CBS, NBC, TBS and other networks like E!.

[Anyong Bluth]

Heard it's a rerun.

Original air date: May 29, 2009.

[WhawhaWhat]

Jay Leno is the worst. He's cheese pizza from Pizza Hut. Generic, lowest common denominator stuff. His best bits he stole from other people.

[Anyong Bluth]

Could care less about Leno or Fallon. Will be odd to see Tonight Show back to NYC. Only mildly interested in seeing how Seth Meyers does.

[J Diddy]

The Tonight Show was such a big deal when I was a kid, and now it's totally irrelevant. I don't think it's just a Jay Leno thing, but I'm curious about what happened. Is it the advance of cable and a zillion channels? A decline in interest in talk shows? A decline in interest in celebrity gawking? I'm really curious.

Or perhaps I'm just reflecting my own perceptions, I guess. But seeing this thread supports my observation.

From my experience it has more to do with the addition of channels. When I was a kid we had 3 and after 10 there was nil on except the tonight show. I used to love watching Carson and then Letterman.

[WhawhaWhat]

The Tonight Show was such a big deal when I was a kid, and now it's totally irrelevant. I don't think it's just a Jay Leno thing, but I'm curious about what happened. Is it the advance of cable and a zillion channels? A decline in interest in talk shows? A decline in interest in celebrity gawking? I'm really curious.

500 channels and a remote vs 3 channels and having to get up to change the channel.

[Gadzooks]

The advance of cable has been a major part. Prior to that, the hiring of Leno over Letterman also caused a split in viewership. You may be interested in a book called "Night Shift" that examines those tumultuous times.
Or if you prefer, it was also made into an HBO Pictures presentation:
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[cosmo20002]

Any ****s given?

http://www.biography.com/imported/images/Biography/Images/Profiles/L/Jay-Leno-9542191-1-402.jpg

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[TribalElder]

he will be back

he is just trolling us again

[ILChief]

The advance of cable has been a major part. Prior to that, the hiring of Leno over Letterman also caused a split in viewership. You may be interested in a book called "Night Shift" that examines those tumultuous times.
Or if you prefer, it was also made into an HBO Pictures presentation:
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The same guy wrote a book about the conan/Leno fiasco

[Baby Lee]

Not a fan of him in the late night wars, too bland and safe for my tastes. And I'm a Conan guy anyway.

All the love in the world for him as a person.

Heard stories of his generosity, not just of money and things, but of time.

Couple from Carolla, saw him at an event in NY. Adam had flown there coach, Leno's like 'ehh, just ride back with me.' [ie, on his private jet], not big timing, like they were sharing a Tercel ride home from the Staples Center. Just figured they could chat over brewskies together on his jet since they were going the same way.

Always has an open invitation to bring himself and kid twins around to putter around his enormous garage, Jay will walk around with the kids [approx 8 yo] and tell them stories about each of the cars, then let them work on some small project [cleaning a carburetor, or dusting an exterior], just so long as it's fun for them, not as some slave labor thing.

[Fairplay]

James Taylor will be on you can bet it.

[cosmo20002]

James Taylor will be on you can bet it.

:rockon:

[Big Poppa Payne]

James Taylor will be on you can bet it.

Sweet baby James?

[RippedmyFlesh]

A decline in interest in celebrity gawking? I'm really curious.

The tonight show was how people our age got to know celebs. With social media now you know if they are going to the store to get milk let alone come out with a new movie.

[a pp roach]

bye, big face dumb douche

[Fairplay]

Sweet baby James?


Best bet I would say.

[BossChief]

Carson was the best. He held court in a way these people can't.

This

Carson was must see tv and was always entertaining.

Jay Leno is entertaining in an "Americas funniest videos host" kinda way.

[Demonpenz]

Nothing wrong with the guy. He writes the lamest punchlines ever. Good Clean fun.

[J Diddy]

500 channels and a remote vs 3 channels and having to get up to change the channel.

As previously stated, I was a child. I was the remote.

[Just Passin' By]

It's too bad, because he's the best of the night time guys, by a mile.


Then again, it's NBC, and they've been fucking up for years.

[Sannyasi]

He's a funny guy in his particular role but no one cares about late night anymore. If anything funny actually does happen on one of the shows you know it'll be posted on the internet the next day anyway.

[Jim Jones]

This is like his third or fourth "last show ever"

[CrazyPhuD]

I'd watch....if his last guest was Conan.

[GloryDayz]

My God, let's hope we're not left with the CBS asshole!

[a pp roach]

My God, let's hope we're not left with the CBS asshole!

i don't have any idea how he's still allowed to speak on television

[GloryDayz]

i don't have any idea how he's still allowed to speak on television

The good news is that it's to just a few.

[Gonzo]

Carson was the shit. Lemon sucks ass. Always has.
Low-Brow humor and shitty delivery. I've always preferred Letterman.

Conan is decent but they really need to take a step back and identify someone worth two shits.

[scho63]

I like Jay much better than Letterman, who has turned into a grumpy old Liberal.

Jay's jokes are better but in realty, the new kids are people like Kimmel and Fallon, who appeal to the newest generation.

I'm older but like Kimmel and Fallon and think they are both funny and entertaining. I've lost interest in Conan

[RunKC]

"NBC has the Olympics. It's a big deal. NBC will finally get to show somebody who's okay with passing the torch."

Conan said that tonight. Had to get one last rib shot in there.

[SPchief]

This is pretty cool

[Sure-Oz]

Bunch of cameos wishing him farewell..

Jay is still a db

[scho63]

This is pretty cool

So far so good-I'm glad I'm watching and to see Carol Burnett was pretty cool.

[Valiant]

I thought that happened in the 90s...

[Dayze]

Leno. Was done 10 years ago

[Phobia]

It was Billy Crystal and Garth Brooks sending him off. Oprah showed up. There were about 3 laughs in the 30 minutes I watched. It was mostly horrific. Was Billy Crystal EVER funny?

[johnny961]

Carson was the best. He held court in a way these people can't.

By far. None of these guys could even compete with Johnny. His stuff was funny as hell and a considerable portion of his stuff was not even scripted. IMO he could come up with better stuff off the top of his head than the other guys can pull off of their scripts. One of a kind that will never be replaced.

[Dayze]

By far. None of these guys could even compete with Johnny. His stuff was funny as hell and a considerable portion of his stuff was not even scripted. IMO he could come up with better stuff off the top of his head than the other guys can pull off of their scripts. One of a kind that will never be replaced.

This

[BWillie]

I must be in the minority. Always liked Jay.
DVR set, thanks for the reminder.

Are you over 50 years old? If so that probably explains it.

[Tribal Warfare]

It was Billy Crystal and Garth Brooks sending him off. Oprah showed up. There were about 3 laughs in the 30 minutes I watched. It was mostly horrific. Was Billy Crystal EVER funny?

Carol Burnett! After that, who gives a fuck

[Phobia]

Carol Burnett! After that, who gives a ****

She was awful too and I actually like her.

[|Zach|]

Guy is simply awful. You have to be old to enjoy it. Letterman is worse.

[|Zach|]

It was Billy Crystal and Garth Brooks sending him off. Oprah showed up. There were about 3 laughs in the 30 minutes I watched. It was mostly horrific. Was Billy Crystal EVER funny?

Yea I never understood the Billy Crystal thing.

[|Zach|]

Fallon will do a good job in his transition. The Seth Meyers choice is interesting. I find the guy really likeable and a great writer...not sure he has the the personality for the job but I am open to it. I imagine he will have to grow into it some like Fallon did.

[Lex Luthor]

I like Jay much better than Letterman, who has turned into a grumpy old Liberal.

Jay's jokes are better but in realty, the new kids are people like Kimmel and Fallon, who appeal to the newest generation.

I'm older but like Kimmel and Fallon and think they are both funny and entertaining. I've lost interest in Conan
Exactly. I used to like Letterman, but I stopped watching when he became an angry Lib who insisted upon making partisan political commentary practically every night. If I wanted to watch that I'd watch MSNBC.

[gblowfish]

Liberals....
Liberals....
LIBERALS!!!!!

[ZootedGranny]

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[Jimmya]

Liberals .......

[Lex Luthor]

Liberals....
Liberals....
LIBERALS!!!!!
It doesn't really matter to me if an entertainer is liberal or conservative. There are certain forums where political discussion is appropriate and expected. If I tune in to a show expecting to be entertained and instead I hear the entertainer going into a rant about who stupid the other political side is, I change the channel.

That's what Fox News and MSNBC are for.

Now if a comedian is an equal-opportunity jokester, that's a different matter.

[J Diddy]

Fuck you all and your anti-liberal sentiment. I piss on you and all that you stand for.

[Lex Luthor]

**** you all and your anti-liberal sentiment. I piss on you and all that you stand for.
I'd say a more accurate characterization would be to say I am anti-zealot.

[a pp roach]

if letterman is a liberal, he's the most conservative liberal i've seen

[J Diddy]

I'd say a more accurate characterization would be to say I am anti-zealot.

I'm just an anti-anti.

[J Diddy]

if letterman is a liberal, he's the most conservative liberal i've seen

I would be inclined to disagree.

[a pp roach]

he wears a suit and tie, enough said

[J Diddy]

he wears a suit and tie, enough said

:doh!:

[Bewbies]

I like Leno, I think he's a world class guy.

But I've watched more of his Garage show on YouTube in the last year than I have of The Tonight Show in the last 5.

Fallon is my favorite show host right now, but I will be shocked if his stuff works with the older crowd that watches Leno. Or that Fallon's audience will move with him after the first week or two.

[Mr. Laz]

The Tonight Show was such a big deal when I was a kid, and now it's totally irrelevant. I don't think it's just a Jay Leno thing, but I'm curious about what happened. Is it the advance of cable and a zillion channels? A decline in interest in talk shows? A decline in interest in celebrity gawking? I'm really curious.

Or perhaps I'm just reflecting my own perceptions, I guess. But seeing this thread supports my observation.Still wins the ratings

I'm not a fan of Leno but NBC really has treated him kind of shitty.

They have been trying to kick him out the door for awhile now and didn't even hide it.

I wonder If Fallon fails if they will try to bring Leno back again?

[GloryDayz]

if letterman is a liberal, he's the most conservative liberal i've seen

LOL, he's swallowed 10,000 calories of liberal cum a day, every day, for the last 82 years, I doubt he even eats normal food!

[Deberg_1990]

Fallon will do a good job in his transition. The Seth Meyers choice is interesting. I find the guy really likeable and a great writer...not sure he has the the personality for the job but I am open to it. I imagine he will have to grow into it some like Fallon did.

Did you see Conan his first 6 months to a year on air? He was pretty bad then. Amazing how much he grew.

[gblowfish]

So, has Leno changed his mind and booted Fallon out the door yet?

[GloryDayz]

So, has Leno changed his mind and booted Fallon out the door yet?

It's only 2:00...

[saphojunkie]

There has been something building up inside of me this week, and I just realized today that I am so fucking happy Leno is leaving. I actually think I hate the guy.

[Baby Lee]

By far. None of these guys could even compete with Johnny. His stuff was funny as hell and a considerable portion of his stuff was not even scripted. IMO he could come up with better stuff off the top of his head than the other guys can pull off of their scripts. One of a kind that will never be replaced.

Leno was the best prepared from the POV of preparing each day reading up on current events and the guest bios.

Carson was the best prepared from the POV of being talented enough to be prepared for anything.

The AVClub summed up Carson's edge with the one quote everyone uses to imitate him 'I did not know that.' He could express a midwestern wonder and interest that pulled the audience in with him in any situation. Kind of a non-retarded version of Huell Howser.

[BlackHelicopters]

Never watched him. Prefer Conan or even Letterman.

[houstonwhodat]

There is nothing wrong with Jay Leno.

Just a different style of humor.

I know one thing he has one of the most impressive car collections ever.

Car guys are cool.

Jay Leno is cool.

Fuck NBC and the Tonight Show.

Libtards.

http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/


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[GloryDayz]

LOL, tonight might be the first night Letterman wins in the rating...

[|Zach|]

Leno is so bad the only good thing his supporters can say about him is that he has a great car collection. Like I give a fuck how many cars someone has if they are unfunny on TV.

[007]

Leno was the best prepared from the POV of preparing each day reading up on current events and the guest bios.

Carson was the best prepared from the POV of being talented enough to be prepared for anything.

The AVClub summed up Carson's edge with the one quote everyone uses to imitate him 'I did not know that.' He could express a midwestern wonder and interest that pulled the audience in with him in any situation. Kind of a non-retarded version of Huell Howser.

I did not know that

God I miss Johnny.

[listopencil]

By far. None of these guys could even compete with Johnny. His stuff was funny as hell and a considerable portion of his stuff was not even scripted. IMO he could come up with better stuff off the top of his head than the other guys can pull off of their scripts. One of a kind that will never be replaced.

The only late night host I've seen come close to Carson is Craig Ferguson. He has a wacky sense of humor like Johnny, but it fits modern late night TV sensibilities. His monologues drift off and away from (I think) the script for the show if, in fact, it exists. His interviewing skills are top notch. He puts people at ease and draws them out. You'll find yourself being entertained by celebrities that you had no affection for at all. Off the top of my head I'd rate Ferguson as the best. I have no idea if he's ready for an earlier show but I'd watch him.

[Anyong Bluth]

The only late night host I've seen come close to Carson is Craig Ferguson. He has a wacky sense of humor like Johnny, but it fits modern late night TV sensibilities. His monologues drift off and away from (I think) the script for the show if, in fact, it exists. His interviewing skills are top notch. He puts people at ease and draws them out. You'll find yourself being entertained by celebrities that you had no affection for at all. Off the top of my head I'd rate Ferguson as the best. I have no idea if he's ready for an earlier show but I'd watch him.

Dude is top notch, and I think it's safe to say the monologue is just him riffing 90% of it.

[Sure-Oz]

There is nothing wrong with Jay Leno.

Just a different style of humor.

I know one thing he has one of the most impressive car collections ever.

Car guys are cool.

Jay Leno is cool.

**** NBC and the Tonight Show.

Libtards.

http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/


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Ok that was cool...loud as fuck

[Tribal Warfare]

Yea I never understood the Billy Crystal thing.

Billy, Robin Williams, and Jay use to do the comedy circuit in LA and were all roommates at one point starting off.

[Anyong Bluth]

Billy, Robin Williams, and Jay use to do the comedy circuit in LA and were all roommates at one point starting off.

" The Unfuckables "

[ILChief]

Johnny hated Leno. That's enough for me

[ILChief]

http://popwatch.ew.com/2014/02/05/jay-leno-hate-history/

[RNR]

if letterman is a liberal, he's the most conservative liberal i've seen

LMAO if you're not joking your and idiot~

[GloryDayz]

Leno is so bad the only good thing his supporters can say about him is that he has a great car collection. Like I give a fuck how many cars someone has if they are unfunny on TV.

Seriously? In his genra and time-slot (to compare supposed equals), he's the only person to draw a laugh. Other than a few folks who might watch Letterman who think his jabs at conservatives are funny because, well, they're jabs at conservatives, Leno was the only funny person out there. Certainly the only one who poked fun at things across the board.

And yes, he has a sweet car collection too.

[MahiMike]

I DVR a lot of late night shows.

Colbert is the best
Fallon is 2nd
Conan is 3rd
Craig Ferguson is ok in spurts
Letterman is embarassingly old and no longer funny
I never watch Kimmel or Leno
Not very excited about Seth whatshisname taking over for Fallon. He sucks.

[GloryDayz]

I DVR a lot of late night shows.

Colbert is the best
Fallon is 2nd
Conan is 3rd
Craig Ferguson is ok in spurts
Letterman is embarassingly old and no longer funny
I never watch Kimmel or Leno
Not very excited about Seth whatshisname taking over for Fallon. He sucks.

Other than watching Leno "first" (for the monologue), I can't argue with your assessment.

[Easy 6]

Never cared for Leno one bit, he was a sneaky skunk during the Carson fiasco and all of the other late night guys knew it and called him out for it.

The only reason I can think of for why he was always rated higher than the others is because he was the milquetoast, no edge guy and that's what most of older, stodgy America wanted... easy to understand, no edge, fawning over guests BS.

[chiefzilla1501]

I don't really watch Jimmy Kimmel, but I fucking love him for this. At the 3 minute mark, just goes off. I refuse to watch the show.
http://www.videobash.com/video_show/jimmy-kimmel-on-jay-leno-s-10-at-10-618751


And here's why the guy is a complete fucking snake:
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[PunkinDrublic]

Lenos standup is completely different from the safe family friendly Leno you see hosting the tonight show. You can't blame him, he's made a shitload of money doing the show. I don't get the hate for Seth Meyers, he was the best weekend update guy SNL had for a long time IMO. He has great comedic timing and I find him a lot funnier than Fallon who is very overrated.

[chiefzilla1501]

Lenos standup is completely different from the safe family friendly Leno you see hosting the tonight show. You can't blame him, he's made a shitload of money doing the show. I don't get the hate for Seth Meyers, he was the best weekend update guy SNL had for a long time IMO. He has great comedic timing and I find him a lot funnier than Fallon who is very overrated.

Well, I blame him for the snake like way he treated Conan, Letterman, and Carson. The guy has no integrity.

But that aside, he also got paid even though in his later years, he was clearly mailing it in. At least the other guys can work off script. The Leno for the last 10 years or so had almost every single thing scripted.

[PunkinDrublic]

Well, I blame him for the snake like way he treated Conan, Letterman, and Carson. The guy has no integrity.

But that aside, he also got paid even though in his later years, he was clearly mailing it in. At least the other guys can work off script. The Leno for the last 10 years or so had almost every single thing scripted.

Well I know a couple of standups comedians who are trying to make it out in L.A who've ran into Jay and they had nothing but good things to say. From what I've heard, he is really accessible and cool guy who shows up unannounced at open mics and is real generous with his time and advice for young comics.

To me Letterman and Conan were good enough to do their own thing and didn't need the tonight show. Letterman's show has gotten stale but when he got started in the early eightees, his show was very innovative and doing things late night shows hadn't been doing even today you can see Lettermans influence on every late night show.

[Anyong Bluth]

Lenos standup is completely different from the safe family friendly Leno you see hosting the tonight show. You can't blame him, he's made a shitload of money doing the show. I don't get the hate for Seth Meyers, he was the best weekend update guy SNL had for a long time IMO. He has great comedic timing and I find him a lot funnier than Fallon who is very overrated.

Like I said before, I'm interested in seeing Meyers, and I think people will be surprised. He's sharp, quick on his feet, and has a good personality for hosting, IMO.

[Easy 6]

Meyers has a quick wit, outside of that its hard to see him having the charm needed with various people, he has ALWAYS struck me as a decent wisecracker... but also something of a cold stiff.

Fallon can atleast laugh at himself, not sure I can say the same for Meyers.

[Anyong Bluth]

Meyers has a quick wit, outside of that its hard to see him having the charm needed with various people, he has ALWAYS struck me as a decent wisecracker... but also something of a cold stiff.

Fallon can atleast laugh at himself, not sure I can say the same for Meyers.

Maybe, I think him and Steffon are fucking hilarious.

[Red Dawg]

I'd watch it but there is a kardashian thingy on at the same time.

ROFLROFLROFL

[Easy 6]

Maybe, I think him and Steffon are ****ing hilarious.

Well yeah, who could do anything but crack up in the presence of Hader doing that guy, he's freakishly brilliant and so dead on... I dunno, Meyers strikes me as stiff, he might be able to write a decent joke but I question his personality.

Maybe I'm wrong, we'll soon see.

[GloryDayz]

Never cared for Leno one bit, he was a sneaky skunk during the Carson fiasco and all of the other late night guys knew it and called him out for it.

The only reason I can think of for why he was always rated higher than the others is because he was the milquetoast, no edge guy and that's what most of older, stodgy America wanted... easy to understand, no edge, fawning over guests BS.

I think he was pretty middle of the road, and was pretty funny too. But I find that when folks in that business try too hard, they end up being political fucks (like Letterman), and not funny (unless you're of their political persuasion).

And I agree that what happened during the Conan thing was pretty fucked up - the low part of Leno's career for sure. But I'll bet NBC had a lot to do with it too.

[Cannibal]

Never cared for Leno one bit, he was a sneaky skunk during the Carson fiasco and all of the other late night guys knew it and called him out for it.

The only reason I can think of for why he was always rated higher than the others is because he was the milquetoast, no edge guy and that's what most of older, stodgy America wanted... easy to understand, no edge, fawning over guests BS.

This is correct.

[houstonwhodat]

I think he was pretty middle of the road, and was pretty funny too. But I find that when folks in that business try too hard, they end up being political ****s (like Letterman), and not funny (unless you're of their political persuasion).

And I agree that what happened during the Conan thing was pretty ****ed up - the low part of Leno's career for sure. But I'll bet NBC had a lot to do with it too.


Ratings never lie.

Each comedian has their following and audience but Conan was not right for Carson's time slot. Not yet.

NBC experimented and failed the ratings were so horrible.

Now the baby boomers are aging and we don't give a flying **** so much about late night TV shows.

The young crowd is moving in now.

I think Jimmy Fallon is incredibly talented much more so than Seth Meyers.

But neither one is a Carson.

Looks like dem days are gone for eva.

[chiefzilla1501]

Ratings never lie.

Each comedian has their following and audience but Conan was not right for Carson's time slot. Not yet.

NBC experimented and failed the ratings were so horrible.

Now the baby boomers are aging and we don't give a flying **** so much about late night TV shows.

The young crowd is moving in now.

I think Jimmy Fallon is incredibly talented much more so than Seth Meyers.

But neither one is a Carson.

Looks like dem days are gone for eva.

A few things....
NBC neutered the living hell out of Conan. I would have been interested to see Conan on the Tonight Show if he was allowed to do his own thing.

Second, while networks are trying to get younger, the truth is... TV in general is in trouble. And these kind of TV shows are just never going to be as popular as they once were, even if you bring a legend as big as Johnny himself.

[Rams Fan]

Ratings never lie.

Each comedian has their following and audience but Conan was not right for Carson's time slot. Not yet.

NBC experimented and failed the ratings were so horrible.

Now the baby boomers are aging and we don't give a flying **** so much about late night TV shows.

The young crowd is moving in now.

I think Jimmy Fallon is incredibly talented much more so than Seth Meyers.

But neither one is a Carson.

Looks like dem days are gone for eva.

Conan was doomed to fail because of NBC's stupidity, not due to his comedic ability.

[TimBone]

It was Billy Crystal and Garth Brooks sending him off. Oprah showed up. There were about 3 laughs in the 30 minutes I watched. It was mostly horrific. Was Billy Crystal EVER funny?

That lineup shows just how in touch with the world Leno is these days.

[cosmo20002]

Conan was doomed to fail because of NBC's stupidity, not due to his comedic ability.

NBC was stupid, but they put on his show and no one watched. Not NBC's fault that no one watched.

[J Diddy]

NBC was stupid, but they put on his show and no one watched. Not NBC's fault that no one watched.

Truth be told of all the years since Carson the only host I did watch was Conan. Leno freaks me out and I think he did both letterman and carson bad.

[chiefzilla1501]

NBC was stupid, but they put on his show and no one watched. Not NBC's fault that no one watched.

It's absolutely NBC's fault.

They promoted Jay's return to Late Night with a shitload more advertising than they did Conan's show

They forced Conan to class up his material to fit the Tonight Show, even though Conan's best skits can be a little raunchy

Here's what was completely clueless. They forced Conan to fit the Tonight Show, instead of letting the Tonight Show fit Conan. Case in point, Conan doesn't do good monologues. For some reason, NBC thought Conan should run long monologues with very short skits afterwards.

[|Zach|]

Never cared for Leno one bit, he was a sneaky skunk during the Carson fiasco and all of the other late night guys knew it and called him out for it.

The only reason I can think of for why he was always rated higher than the others is because he was the milquetoast, no edge guy and that's what most of older, stodgy America wanted... easy to understand, no edge, fawning over guests BS.

NCIS of comedians.

[FML]

How do people find Conan funny? He's awful. Leno held his own, the ratings speak for themselves. And i'm not old and in my 20's.

[Brock]

Because ratings=quality.

[GloryDayz]

Because ratings=quality.

Great point, but "quality" is in the eye of the many beholder's of the remotes, and quality is frequently very subjective.

[chiefzilla1501]

How do people find Conan funny? He's awful. Leno held his own, the ratings speak for themselves. And i'm not old and in my 20's.

Conan is hilarious. I haven't gotten into the new show, though. Conan was at his best when he had some random skit after the monologue. Like the masturbating bear. I don't know why the show got away from that format. A big part of that, I think, was NBC negotiating in the buyout that Conan couldn't use the stuff he did on his old show. Which is again a dick move by NBC, though I don't really know why Conan let NBC do that.

His monologues are terrible, so the more the show relies on that, the worse it's going to be. That's something the Tonight Show fucked up on big time.

[Baby Lee]

Conan is hilarious. I haven't gotten into the new show, though. Conan was at his best when he had some random skit after the monologue. Like the masturbating bear. I don't know why the show got away from that format. A big part of that, I think, was NBC negotiating in the buyout that Conan couldn't use the stuff he did on his old show. Which is again a dick move by NBC, though I don't really know why Conan let NBC do that.

His monologues are terrible, so the more the show relies on that, the worse it's going to be. That's something the Tonight Show fucked up on big time.

Yeah, NBC owns all the bits he did on their network.

Real News Items
Driving Desk
Pimpbot
Year 2000
Masturbating Bear

etc., etc.

And of course the Walker Texas Ranger lever.

[cosmo20002]

Conan is hilarious. I haven't gotten into the new show, though. Conan was at his best when he had some random skit after the monologue. Like the masturbating bear. I don't know why the show got away from that format. A big part of that, I think, was NBC negotiating in the buyout that Conan couldn't use the stuff he did on his old show. Which is again a dick move by NBC, though I don't really know why Conan let NBC do that.

His monologues are terrible, so the more the show relies on that, the worse it's going to be. That's something the Tonight Show ****ed up on big time.

NBC "owns" that stuff. Intellectual property. NBC owned the show so the own the ideas created for it.

It could have been a negotiation point I guess, but I'm guessing that Conan really didn't have a whole lot of leverage in that negotiation.

[houstonwhodat]

Because ratings=quality.

Ratings have nothing to do with quality. And quality is relative to the person watching it.

I worked in TV and radio in the 70's, the Ron Burgundy days.

TV and radio is not about putting the best stuff on to watch or listen.

IT'S ABOUT SELLING ADVERTISING!!!

How many times have you said to yourself today's music sounds like shit?

Doesn't matter because they're selling it. They're force feeding it to the young people who are easily influenced and they can't get enough.

Listen, if the networks could put on a test pattern for 24 hours a day and sell advertising they would do it.

It's all about the almighty dollar.


At one time The Tonight Show was something special.

First there was Jack Paar then Johnny Carson took over.

TV was still black & white.
There was no cable.
The Beatles just invaded America.
Women still wore bras.
Then came Jimi Hendrix.
Normal stations signed off after the late night movie which followed the late night newscast at 10pm.
Cooking shows only came on Sat. morning on PBS.
The top TV shows were programs like The Beverly Hillbillies, Perry Mason, The Andy Griffith Show, Lawrence Welk, etc., etc.
America was just going through the sexual revolution.

America was a different country back then.

The Tonight Show was grownup time back then. I remember when the tonight show came on my parents made a couple scotch & waters and closed and locked that bedroom door. It was playtime.

The monologue was extremely important to the shows format. If you wanted to watch risque television it came on at night after the news and after the kids went to bed.

For it's day and age The Tonight Show was as risque as it gets. Now everything is watered down with 500 channels of nothing to watch 24/7.

Except for a few channels I could just about go back to watching the major networks and PBS and be happy.

Leno was the closest thing to Johnny in 1992 when he retired. Who were they going to put on Sam Kinison? Andrew Dice Clay?

Now that would have been something to see.

[chiefzilla1501]

NBC "owns" that stuff. Intellectual property. NBC owned the show so the own the ideas created for it.

It could have been a negotiation point I guess, but I'm guessing that Conan really didn't have a whole lot of leverage in that negotiation.

I get that. I still think it was a complete dick move, seeing how they completely reneged on the contract both Conan and NBC agreed to.

[Baby Lee]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/obriens-nbc-departure-leaves-bits-19593

Losing those assets could hurt O'Brien as he looks for another home, although his "Tonight" had featured fewer of the characters than "Late Night" and the host -- who is considered one of the top comedy writers in the business -- may be looking for a fresh start. Sources close to him said he was not interested in taking his NBC characters with him.

[|Zach|]

IT'S ABOUT SELLING ADVERTISING!!!



Defenders of Leno points to his collection of cars and selling advertising when supporting him.

Yup.

[GloryDayz]

Defenders of Leno points to his collection of cars and selling advertising when supporting him.

Yup.

Not really. He does have a nice car collection, and you know "lots of people like you" is you get rating and the advertisers "flock to you." All these other shows might be rich in something, they aren't as "rich" in viewers who think those shows are rich in awesomeness.

So folks can be as snobby/"as real" as they like, even proclaim to be experts who know "real" talent, but in the end those shows aren't getting the people to watch them like Leno was so it doesn't really matter.

And for what it's worth, I thought his monologue was better than Letterman's and he was a billion times funnier. But I'm a conservative, so to me, Letterman just sucks because his only desire is to swallow cum from liberal assholes and mock conservatives.

Just to be clear. Oh, and he has some sweet cars too. Unlike Letterman who's claim to fame is throwing shit off a roof!

[houstonwhodat]

Defenders of Leno points to his collection of cars and selling advertising when supporting him.

Yup.


You just can't handle the truth can you.

[Baby Lee]

Though they are ostensibly doing the same thing, people are often doing very different things when watching TV.

For some it is an immersive, imagination and emotion stirring, endeavor. THey'll sit down with shows like The Wire or Arrested Development and soak up every inch of the screen and every word of dialog.

For some it is a background companion, they'll catch the plot highlights of an NCIS or CSI, or Leno, and just enjoy the non-taxing ambiance.

[|Zach|]

You just can't handle the truth can you.

I can handle the truth that nobody who backs Leno tries to actually say he is funny and goes on about things that don't matter instead just fine...it reinforced that he is not funny.

[GloryDayz]

I can handle the truth that nobody who backs Leno tries to actually say he is funny and goes on about things that don't matter instead just fine...it reinforced that he is not funny.

He's very funny. Jay-Walking was hilarious. His monologue were funny. The news clippings were funny. Most of his show was funny.

What's your point? Are you going to try to be some version of high-brow and say they weren't?

[WhawhaWhat]

He's very funny. Jay-Walking was hilarious. His monologue were funny. The news clippings were funny. Most of his show was funny.

What's your point? Are you going to try to be some version of high-brow and say they weren't?

His monologues were about as funny as knock-knock jokes. Boring, bland and generic.

Plus he ripped off the jay-walking and news clippings segments from people who did it better.

[GloryDayz]

His monologues were about as funny as knock-knock jokes. Boring, bland and generic.

Plus he ripped off the jay-walking and news clippings segments from people who did it better.

Yeah, all that boring, bland and generic lead to his ratings being hall of a lot higher than the other hacks with all their "original" bullshit. As right as you may think you are, and as angry as you may be because you don't think the rest of the planet knows funny like you do, but the ratings don't lie......he was funny! Say what ya want, people watched him and the ratings prove that. Maybe you just don't know funny when you see it? Maybe your mind is so twisted, or keen, that what's funny isn't funny to you?

I don't know, but other than trying to pass yourself off as some funny expert who's taste in funny is so refined that it takes something special to make you laugh, you really can't say what you said and give a good explanation for why his numbers we were much better.

[Baby Lee]

http://gawker.com/oh-yeah-and-there-was-also-the-time-that-jay-leno-ripp-1517609141/@drewmagary

[Garcia Bronco]

lol...this dude is still on? I can't believe people still watch that crap.

[cosmo20002]

His monologues were about as funny as knock-knock jokes. Boring, bland and generic.

Plus he ripped off the jay-walking and news clippings segments from people who did it better.

Letterman had been doing "Dumb Ads" and "Small Town News" for years before Leno started doing "Headlines." I never watched Leno regularly but I'd see parts of it sometimes and so many of the bits he would do was stuff Letterman used or still was doing.

[cosmo20002]

Yeah, all that boring, bland and generic lead to his ratings being hall of a lot higher than the other hacks with all their "original" bullshit. As right as you may think you are, and as angry as you may be because you don't think the rest of the planet knows funny like you do, but the ratings don't lie......he was funny! Say what ya want, people watched him and the ratings prove that. Maybe you just don't know funny when you see it? Maybe your mind is so twisted, or keen, that what's funny isn't funny to you?

I don't know, but other than trying to pass yourself off as some funny expert who's taste in funny is so refined that it takes something special to make you laugh, you really can't say what you said and give a good explanation for why his numbers we were much better.

Correct.

[Easy 6]

Leno blows truckers in gas station bathrooms.

[|Zach|]

He's very funny. Jay-Walking was hilarious. His monologue were funny. The news clippings were funny. Most of his show was funny.

What's your point? Are you going to try to be some version of high-brow and say they weren't?

Actually yes. The part he didn't create was funny, the news clips that people sent in were funny.

[morphius]

always thought Jay was funny, not hilarious, not the greatest interview guy, but to be honest, interviewing celebs really does nothing for me. Whenever I watched Letterman, most the people seemed to be laughing at him failing at telling a good joke. It was pathetic, not funny. I would say that Letterman did better interviews the few times I watched him, but going back to my last point, I'm just not interested in celebs personal lives. Never cared for Conan, not at any time slot.

[Direckshun]

Conan's new show on TBS is just mediocre.

I keep DVRing it though, just because I've basically grown up with him at this point.

His banter with Andy and the crowd is the show's saving grace. Though, when he actually gives a shit about an interesting guest, he can have a really interesting interview. But when you march some regular Hollywood interchangeable in there, it's snooze-inducing.

[Direckshun]

always thought Jay was funny, not hilarious, not the greatest interview guy, but to be honest, interviewing celebs really does nothing for me. Whenever I watched Letterman, most the people seemed to be laughing at him failing at telling a good joke. It was pathetic, not funny. I would say that Letterman did better interviews the few times I watched him, but going back to my last point, I'm just not interested in celebs personal lives. Never cared for Conan, not at any time slot.

Pretty much spot on with Letterman.

Letterman is easily the best interview on talk show television, outside of Jon Stewart's occasional debates with his guests, which are must-watches.

Everything else Letterman does is terrible. But his interviews actually sound like really good, engaging conversations.

[Dayze]

as I get older, most of these shows suck hard. it's basically an advertisement for Celebrity "X" pimping out their new movie/book/CD, etc.

short of the monologues of course, or special segments etc.

[Direckshun]

Conan's just completely lost his comedic edge. He's just bland now.

But he's a very comfortable kind of bland, so I DVR him. Been watching him since high school. Shrug.

[ILChief]

Conan's new show on TBS is just mediocre.

I keep DVRing it though, just because I've basically grown up with him at this point.

His banter with Andy and the crowd is the show's saving grace. Though, when he actually gives a shit about an interesting guest, he can have a really interesting interview. But when you march some regular Hollywood interchangeable in there, it's snooze-inducing.

I like conan but he hasn't been as good on tbs. I think it's a combination of nbc keeping his skits as well as the lack of a list guests you can get on basic cable. I really wish he could have stayed on the tonight show, but I am looking forward to Fallon. Anyone but Leno. The real question is what happens when Letterman retires...

[Direckshun]

I am of the belief that Fallon will dominate the ratings unless CBS scores a huge coup like Ellen Degeneres or Stephen Colbert.

Tina Fey makes the most sense to me, but that would involve removing her from Lorne Michaels teet.

Edit: It's honestly time for a woman or somebody of color. White guys are just sucking up so much of the talk show oxygen it's starting to get painful.

[ILChief]

I am of the belief that Fallon will dominate the ratings unless CBS scores a huge coup like Ellen Degeneres or Stephen Colbert.

Tina Fey makes the most sense to me, but that would involve removing her from Lorne Michaels teet.

Edit: It's honestly time for a woman or somebody of color. White guys are just sucking up so much of the talk show oxygen it's starting to get painful.

I don't know how Ellen would do late night. She is pretty much a women's day time show and has a good gig. Colbert is a character and too political. I don't think Ferguson will get the job. Would Conan return to network tv? He and Dave are tight

[BlackHelicopters]

Leno will back as soon as Fallon tanks in the ratings.

[listopencil]

I like conan but he hasn't been as good on tbs. I think it's a combination of nbc keeping his skits as well as the lack of a list guests you can get on basic cable. I really wish he could have stayed on the tonight show, but I am looking forward to Fallon. Anyone but Leno. The real question is what happens when Letterman retires...

If they don't give that to Ferguson they're idiots.

[ILChief]

If they don't give that to Ferguson they're idiots.

Ferguson gets beaten by Fallon regularly every night. I doubt they want that to continue.

[OmahaChief]

Edit: It's honestly time for a woman or somebody of color. White guys are just sucking up so much of the talk show oxygen it's starting to get painful.

I saw the Arsenio Hall show and Magics talk show. Not sure I am interested in another abortion like those two shows. Who the hell are they going to get, George Lopez or Chris Rock. I could see Tina Fey but that is even a stretch. Mo'Nique actually was decent on her show.

I think the demo for these late night slots is mostly white America so they keep putting white guys in those slots.

[Baby Lee]

I saw the Arsenio Hall show and Magics talk show. Not sure I am interested in another abortion like those two shows. Who the hell are they going to get, George Lopez or Chris Rock. I could see Tina Fey but that is even a stretch. Mo'Nique actually was decent on her show.

I think the demo for these late night slots is mostly white America so they keep putting white guys in those slots.

I wish I knew how Arsenio fell of the cliff. When he started out, it was a great show. Even my parents took care to tape it every night to watch the next evening. Then he just petered out.

I'm glad that The Magic Hour existed, if for no other reason than to give Howard Stern a week of material busting on it. That was some classic radio.

[Sannyasi]

I don't know how Ellen would do late night. She is pretty much a women's day time show and has a good gig. Colbert is a character and too political. I don't think Ferguson will get the job. Would Conan return to network tv? He and Dave are tight

Colbert would be great on late night if he wanted to do it. He can absolutely tackle entertainment type stories as well as political ones and he's a great interviewer as well.

I could see him being very successful going down that road if he ever gets tired of doing the show he has now.

[BigRedChief]

Conan's just completely lost his comedic edge. He's just bland now.

But he's a very comfortable kind of bland, so I DVR him. Been watching him since high school. Shrug.So he is Jay Leno going forward? The Milquetoast comedian?

[MahiMike]

I don't get the hate for Seth Meyers, he was the best weekend update guy SNL had for a long time IMO. He has great comedic timing and I find him a lot funnier than Fallon who is very overrated.

I thought he was the worst myself. All he did was fill the spot with other people to do the work. Kevin Nealan was the best.

[Baby Lee]

I thought he was the worst myself. All he did was fill the spot with other people to do the work. Norm McDonald was the best.

FYP and there's no debate.

Seth delivered news punchlines fine, but he wasn't the best playing straight man to guests.

With Stefon in particular, all he ever did was ask 'what do you mean by ____' to set him up to explain his 'its got it all' item.

Like 'Human DVRs' - it's that thing where a midget sits on your TV and tell you what happened on Scandal. ROFL ROFL

Tough to write it more wittily as it's a necessary structure to let Stefon explain his terms, but it got monotonous over time [Seth's part, not Stefon's]

[MahiMike]

Though they are ostensibly doing the same thing, people are often doing very different things when watching TV.

For some it is an immersive, imagination and emotion stirring, endeavor. THey'll sit down with shows like The Wire or Arrested Development and soak up every inch of the screen and every word of dialog.

For some it is a background companion, they'll catch the plot highlights of an NCIS or CSI, or Leno, and just enjoy the non-taxing ambiance.

What gets me is how many folks watch these shows live. I tape them all and skip the commercials. Doesn't matter what time it comes on.

[MahiMike]

always thought Jay was funny, not hilarious, not the greatest interview guy, but to be honest, interviewing celebs really does nothing for me. Whenever I watched Letterman, most the people seemed to be laughing at him failing at telling a good joke. It was pathetic, not funny. I would say that Letterman did better interviews the few times I watched him, but going back to my last point, I'm just not interested in celebs personal lives. Never cared for Conan, not at any time slot.

20 years ago, Letterman was the man. Now, not so much.

[cosmo20002]

If they don't give that to Ferguson they're idiots.

I know a lot of people who swear he's great, but I've just never seen it. I'm a Letterman fan and Letterman basically picked him as the host, but he's just never appeal to me, and I did give him a try for awhile. I usually can't make it past the rambling monologue/opening segment. I know the improvised/spontaneous nature of it is supposed to be part of the humor, but it's never made me laugh.

[WhawhaWhat]

20 years ago, Letterman was the man. Now, not so much.

I was too young to watch Letterman in the 80s but the stuff they have on youtube is great. Larry Bud Melman interviewing people at the bus depot is sooo funny.

He's way past his prime now and Kimmel and Fallon have taken over.

[cosmo20002]

I've always hated Leno as host, but I think one thing that did help him in the ratings was that he did seem to have "better" guests. Being in LA had to help.

Letterman had all the big names too, but when there's also lots of times when his lead guest would be someone like Amy Sedaris, who is funny when she's on, but no one is tuning in to see her when some movie star is on Leno.

It'll be interesting to see how things shake out with the Tonight Show in NY. Probably a lot of battles for guests.

[cosmo20002]

I was too young to watch Letterman in the 80s but the stuff they have on youtube is great. Larry Bud Melman interviewing people at the bus depot is sooo funny.

He's way past his prime now and Kimmel and Fallon have taken over.

That stuff hooked me on Letterman. Melman was hilarious, just no clue what he was doing and could barely read the cue cards. Chris Elliot was great too.
He got more mainstream when he went to 10:30, but he's always been the best interviewer and best/quickest wit.

He'll stroke the guests some, but he's the least fawning over the flavor-of-the week stars. And if an interview is going shitty, he'll basically say that it's going shitty and make fun of it.

[Easy 6]

That stuff hooked me on Letterman. Melman was hilarious, just no clue what he was doing and could barely read the cue cards. Chris Elliot was great too.
He got more mainstream when he went to 10:30, but he's always been the best interviewer and best/quickest wit.

He'll stroke the guests some, but he's the least fawning over the flavor-of-the week stars. And if an interview is going shitty, he'll basically say that it's going shitty and make fun of it.

Melman and Elliot set the tone for everything that came after IMO, they were brilliant with the absurdity.

And the second sentence is why I love Dave so much, to add to that, if a guest is being some kind of diva or get chippy withy his questions he'll make them look like flat out fools... he's the least fawning of all of them.

[Baby Lee]

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[PunkinDrublic]

FYP and there's no debate.

Seth delivered news punchlines fine, but he wasn't the best playing straight man to guests.

With Stefon in particular, all he ever did was ask 'what do you mean by ____' to set him up to explain his 'its got it all' item.

Like 'Human DVRs' - it's that thing where a midget sits on your TV and tell you what happened on Scandal. ROFL ROFL

Tough to write it more wittily as it's a necessary structure to let Stefon explain his terms, but it got monotonous over time [Seth's part, not Stefon's]


I love Bill Hader but I was never a fan of the Stephon character. Meyers won me over with his performance at the wh correspondents dinner a couple of years ago. Part of why I became a fan of Seth Meyer was I was getting sick of the constant fawning over Tina Fey and Amy Poehler I was glad when they were both gone

[houstonwhodat]

I love Bill Hader but I was never a fan of the Stephon character. Meyers won me over with his performance at the wh correspondents dinner a couple of years ago. Part of why I became a fan of Seth Meyer was I was getting sick of the constant fawning over Tina Fey and Amy Poehler I was glad when they were both gone

Hader's Pacino is fucking fantastic.

[PunkinDrublic]

Hader's Pacino is ****ing fantastic.

Agreed.

[Sully]

I wish I knew how Arsenio fell of the cliff. When he started out, it was a great show. Even my parents took care to tape it every night to watch the next evening. Then he just petered out.



I'm glad that The Magic Hour existed, if for no other reason than to give Howard Stern a week of material busting on it. That was some classic radio.


I remember Arsenio from when (I think) he began subbing for Joan Rivers. I was pretty young, but he was so funny to me then.

My theory is that his show was soooo based on style, and he or his people did a poor job keeping up with the style. Say what you will about how milquetoast late night guys can be, and I'll criticize it all day long, but it keeps that from happening.

[listopencil]

I dug this thread up to bump it and say...wow. Somebody posted a clip from Fallon's Tonight Show on my FB feed and I was cracking up. I started following it and there seems to be a ton of great stuff already.

[J Diddy]

I dug this thread up to bump it and say...wow. Somebody posted a clip from Fallon's Tonight Show on my FB feed and I was cracking up. I started following it and there seems to be a ton of great stuff already.

I think Fallon will be able to do some great things here. I think Conan was doing well as well but the truth remains that it's going to take something spectacular to turn the viewing back to the free three. Incorporating the internet (and bringing in the generation that has known nothing but in the process) is the key. He's doing that well.

[GloryDayz]

I agree, so far he's done very well. Kudos to him! Whatever it takes to keep the Letterman down...