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Papi
02-12-2014, 10:38 PM
They both suck, but in my experience Comcast sucks worse.

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/02/12/comcast-set-to-acquire-time-warner-cable/

Comcast is expected to announce on Thursday an agreement to acquire Time Warner Cable for more than $45 billion in stock, a deal that would combine the biggest and second-biggest cable television operators in the country.

For Comcast, which completed its acquisition of NBC Universal, the television and movie powerhouse, from General Electric less than a year ago, the latest deal would be its second big act to radically reshape the media landscape in the United States. And the merger is almost certain to bring to an end a protracted takeover battle that Charter Communications has been waging for Time Warner Cable.

For Time Warner Cable, the deal provides a neat solution to its problems. It will receive just about the $160-a-share price it said was its true value, and possibly more. It will no longer have to slog ahead with a turnaround plan being run by a new chief executive, Rob Marcus. And it will allow it to become part of the company that is already the dominant force in cable television services.

Despite combining the two largest cable operators in the country, a merger may have little impact on consumers. Comcast and Time Warner Cable compete in very few markets. As a result, few consumers will see their choices of cable operators reduced.

Nonetheless, regulators will surely look carefully at the impact on the deal to consumers, and may also focus on whether the combined company will have additional power in negotiations with cable networks, a recent source of tension in the industry.

Comcast has about 22 million television customers, according to the National Cable and Telecommunications Association. Time Warner Cable has about 11 million video subscribers, according to people familiar with the company.

In a bid to appease antitrust regulators, Comcast is expected say it is willing to divest three million of Time Warner Cable’s roughly 11 million pay television subscribers.

It was not immediately clear if Comcast would propose certain markets to divest, but shedding those subscribers should keep Comcast with less than 30 percent national market share for pay television, a level the company believes will satisfy antitrust regulators.

Under the terms of the deal, Time Warner Cable shareholders will receive 2.875 shares of newly issued Comcast common stock for each of their shares, people briefed on the matter said on Wednesday evening. Based on Comcast’s closing price of $55.24 on Wednesday, that values each Time Warner Cable share at about $158.82 each.

If Comcast stock rises on news of the deal, the price could go up, while if the stock falls, it could go down. The deal is set to be announced on Thursday morning.

The deal is subject to approval by both shareholders of both companies. Because it is an all-stock deal with newly issued shares, Comcast will not have to take on any new debt.

Should a deal be completed, Time Warner Cable shareholders will own about a quarter of the combined company.

For Comcast, the deal, extending its leadership in the cable industry, is another transformative step in the evolution of what is now America’s most influential media company. It comes less than a year after Comcast completed the acquisition of NBC Universal And it will further extend Comcast’s lead as the nation’s largest cable operator.

Charter, however, is left in the lurch. Charter is one of the nation’s smaller cable operators, but had big ambitions to compete with Comcast. Last year Liberty Media, the conglomerate backed by billionaire John C. Malone, acquired 27 percent of Charter, and urged the company to pursue deals, a process that could have led Mr. Malone back to the heights of American cable, an industry he once ruled as head of TCI, then the country’s largest operator.

Beginning last year, Charter made overtures to Time Warner Cable, privately offering a succession of higher prices, all of which were rejected. Last month, Charter went public with an offer of $132.50 per share for Time Warner Cable, which Mr. Marcus dismissed as inadequate. He countered by saying the company would consider a bid of $160 per share, which Comcast has now nearly matched.

On Tuesday, Charter nominated a full slate of directors to Time Warner Cable’s board, its most aggressive move to date.

At the same time, Charter was negotiating with Comcast about a deal through which Comcast would acquire certain markets from Time Warner Cable if Charter was about to buy the entire company. Comcast, however, had other plans.

Charter may buy the subscribers that Comcast has pledged to divest, giving it added scale but not nearly the boost it had hoped when it set its eyes on acquiring all of Time Warner Cable.

Though the companies are set to announce the deal, it could still come undone. Shareholders of either company could vote it down, though that seems unlikely.

Charter could still play spoiler with a new bid, though that seems unlikely too, given its limited financial resources.

Or Comcast shares could collapse, leading Time Warner Cable shareholders to shun a deal.

Morgan Stanley, Allen & Company and Citigroup had been advising Time Warner Cable on its defense from Charter, with Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison providing legal advice. Centerview Partners and the law firm Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom. Skadden also advised Time Warner Cable.

JPMorgan Chase, Barclays and the law firm Willkie Farr & Gallagher, among others, advised Comcast.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-12-2014, 10:42 PM
This should not be allowed to happen.

Silock
02-12-2014, 10:42 PM
This should not be allowed to happen.

I kinda doubt it will.

Pants
02-12-2014, 10:47 PM
No worries, Skynet will deliver us from evil in ten to fifteen years.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-12-2014, 10:49 PM
I kinda doubt it will.

The FCC has let media conglomeration continue almost non-stop for the last 30 years. Post Bell breakup, there isn't a lot of evidence to suggest it won't happen, and stockholders love owning monopolies.

Miles
02-12-2014, 10:50 PM
Maybe Comcast customers can get some of these great offerings that Timer Warner has. Like SD HBO OnDemand and SD NBA League Pass and everyone's rates can go up.

Bowser
02-12-2014, 10:51 PM
The FCC has let media conglomeration continue almost non-stop for the last 30 years. Post Bell breakup, there isn't a lot of evidence to suggest it won't happen, and stockholders love owning monopolies.

Yeah, about that - don't we have anti-monopoly laws in this country?

And the hell with this idea. Time Warner sucks, and I haven't heard much good of Comcast, either. I wish Google Fiber would put a little hop-to in getting to my neck of the woods.

Papi
02-12-2014, 10:52 PM
I wish Google Fiber would put a little hop-to in getting to my neck of the woods.
This

Miles
02-12-2014, 10:58 PM
Yeah, about that - don't we have anti-monopoly laws in this country?

The deal has to go through the Justice Department for antitrust as part of regulatory approval. Trying to recall a merger that was a little higher profile killed by them in recent years but can't seem to think of it.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-12-2014, 10:59 PM
Yeah, about that - don't we have anti-monopoly laws in this country?

And the hell with this idea. Time Warner sucks, and I haven't heard much good of Comcast, either. I wish Google Fiber would put a little hop-to in getting to my neck of the woods.

We have antitrust laws, but ATT was able to flout them for the better part of 75 years, and given the current regulatory environment, there's little to suggest that things won't become even more consolidated than in the past.

If you didn't own a Bell telephone you used to have to pay a monthly lease fee and a rewiring charge to get it to work with the system. And given that most telecoms are largely natural monopolies due to wiring, if they become actual monopolies due to competition you can kiss the days of fast, uncapped internet and non-preferential site loading goodbye.

Example: I'm Comcast and I own NBC. A subscriber wants to stream a show on ABC's website. For some odd fucking reason, that show loads at a fraction of the speed of the peacock's website. Wonder why.

Sassy Squatch
02-12-2014, 11:03 PM
We have antitrust laws, but ATT was able to flout them for the better part of 75 years, and given the current regulatory environment, there's little to suggest that things won't become even more consolidated than in the past.

If you didn't own a Bell telephone you used to have to pay a monthly lease fee and a rewiring charge to get it to work with the system. And given that most telecoms are largely natural monopolies due to wiring, if they become actual monopolies due to competition you can kiss the days of fast, uncapped internet and non-preferential site loading goodbye.

Example: I'm Comcast and I own NBC. A subscriber wants to stream a show on ABC's website. For some odd fucking reason, that show loads at a fraction of the speed of the peacock's website. Wonder why.
Have to ask. Why the fuck is Muhhamed Hassan your avatar?

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-12-2014, 11:04 PM
Have to ask. Why the fuck is Muhhamed Hassan your avatar?

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Miles
02-12-2014, 11:13 PM
Now I remember which one that was blocked in the past few years. The failed T-Mobile acquisition by AT&T which seems on the surface kind of similar when first hearing of this TWC and Comcast deal.

Pants
02-12-2014, 11:52 PM
Maybe Comcast customers can get some of these great offerings that Timer Warner has. Like SD HBO OnDemand and SD NBA League Pass and everyone's rates can go up.

Where do you live?

Here in KC, Comcast's xfinity thing has the most extensive OD library I have ever seen.

KC is also benefiting from Skynet doing their thing... one can get some really good deals from the scared-shitless cable and internet providers.

Miles
02-13-2014, 12:02 AM
Where do you live?

Here in KC, Comcast's xfinity thing has the most extensive OD library I have ever seen.

KC is also benefiting from Skynet doing their thing... one can get some really good deals from the scared-shitless cable and internet providers.

I was meaning Comcast could get some of the shittier features from Time Warner. I live in Dallas and while Time Warner is getting a little better, a decent bit of OD (notably all premiums except Showtime) and NBA League Pass being in SD is pretty inexplicable in a major market.

-King-
02-13-2014, 12:04 AM
This is just like the ATT/Tmobile deal that was supposed to happen a couple years back. Doubt it will go through.

Pants
02-13-2014, 12:09 AM
I was meaning Comcast could get some of the shittier features from Time Warner. I live in Dallas and while Time Warner is getting a little better, a decent bit of OD (notably all premiums except Showtime) and NBA League Pass being in SD is pretty inexplicable in a major market.

Oh, shit. I read "SD" as "HD". My bad, dude.

chiefqueen
02-13-2014, 12:24 AM
As the sayin' goes:

If you THOUGHT Time Warner was bad...

Sassy Squatch
02-13-2014, 12:42 AM
Check this out (http://eliangonzalez.ytmnd.com/)
Phones loading like shit. Can't see it.

BWillie
02-13-2014, 01:01 AM
This is shitty. Comcast finally seemed to drop their rates in my area, I presume because of anticipated competition with Google Fiber. I know theu Time Warner and Comcast agree to not compete with each other in this area but less competition is worse for the consumer typically

BWillie
02-13-2014, 01:05 AM
Where do you live?

Here in KC, Comcast's xfinity thing has the most extensive OD library I have ever seen.

KC is also benefiting from Skynet doing their thing... one can get some really good deals from the scared-shitless cable and internet providers.

Exactly, all because of competition with Google Fiber coming into the area. Surewest, and some other options.

Skyy God
02-13-2014, 08:11 AM
We have antitrust laws, but ATT was able to flout them for the better part of 75 years, and given the current regulatory environment, there's little to suggest that things won't become even more consolidated than in the past.

If you didn't own a Bell telephone you used to have to pay a monthly lease fee and a rewiring charge to get it to work with the system. And given that most telecoms are largely natural monopolies due to wiring, if they become actual monopolies due to competition you can kiss the days of fast, uncapped internet and non-preferential site loading goodbye.

Example: I'm Comcast and I own NBC. A subscriber wants to stream a show on ABC's website. For some odd fucking reason, that show loads at a fraction of the speed of the peacock's website. Wonder why.

This and other monopoly abuses are discussed in this Fresh Air piece. In addition to reclassifying cable providers as common carriers, I like her suggestion of following the Stockholm model (using bonds to fund a fiber network and then charging multiple competing providers for access).

http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2014/02/06/272480919/when-it-comes-to-high-speed-internet-u-s-falling-way-behind

Eleazar
02-13-2014, 08:13 AM
If you've never had Comcast, count yourself lucky. Truly a loathsome company.

Predarat
02-13-2014, 08:20 AM
http://myownphotoproject.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/noooooo.jpg

Jimmya
02-13-2014, 08:20 AM
The need for competition in today's market is very real.

whoman69
02-13-2014, 08:22 AM
If this merger goes through there will be five companies that own almost all of the media market in the US, not just cable, but local tv, radio, internet. Started when Reagan did away with the fairness doctrine. The public is not better served by the change.

Predarat
02-13-2014, 08:30 AM
Everytime there is a thunderstorm warning within 100 miles of where you live, it will freeze your TV with an archaic EBS warning the switch to CSPANN and get stuck there for a bit. It is fucking annoying. They interrupt your local news telling you in real time where the storm is, has gone and is going for a generic text message with a robotic voice that takes up the whole screen.

oldandslow
02-13-2014, 08:40 AM
If this merger goes through there will be five companies that own almost all of the media market in the US, not just cable, but local tv, radio, internet. Started when Reagan did away with the fairness doctrine. The public is not better served by the change.

Reagan began media deregulation, but Clinton finished it. Don't blame just one house. They both recieve stellar campaign contributions.

And yes, here is the problem with unregulated markets....Invisibile hand doing a GREAT job.

Bearcat
02-13-2014, 08:49 AM
This is just like the ATT/Tmobile deal that was supposed to happen a couple years back. Doubt it will go through.

First thing that came to my mind, as a T-Mobile customer... and AT&T was supremely confident it would go through.

Dayze
02-13-2014, 09:23 AM
I've never had Comcast, but I had TW for a whopping 3 days after our move to an apartment a few years back that wouldn't allow LOS for our DTV dish.

TW sucked ass. Switched to U-Verse the same week.

Skyy God
02-13-2014, 11:01 AM
Such BS. Corporate kleptocracy at its worst.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/isp-lobby-has-already-won-limits-on-public-broadband-in-20-states/

Chief Gump
02-13-2014, 11:26 AM
I've never had Comcast, but I had TW for a whopping 3 days after our move to an apartment a few years back that wouldn't allow LOS for our DTV dish.

TW sucked ass. Switched to U-Verse the same week.

I believe I read somewhere it is illegal for a apartment to prevent you from getting dish. They can say it they just can't enforce it.

Dayze
02-13-2014, 12:00 PM
I believe I read somewhere it is illegal for a apartment to prevent you from getting dish. They can say it they just can't enforce it.

in my case, we were on the basement floor (the level below the parking level) facing north. We couldn't get line of site when DTV came out.

...which sucked. :banghead:

KC native
02-13-2014, 12:06 PM
Such BS. Corporate kleptocracy at its worst.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/isp-lobby-has-already-won-limits-on-public-broadband-in-20-states/

HOORAY FOR THE RISE OF THE RENTIER!

KC_Lee
02-13-2014, 12:08 PM
Everytime there is a thunderstorm warning within 100 miles of where you live, it will freeze your TV with an archaic EBS warning the switch to CSPANN and get stuck there for a bit. It is ****ing annoying. They interrupt your local news telling you in real time where the storm is, has gone and is going for a generic text message with a robotic voice that takes up the whole screen.

Love when they do that. It's even better when something happens and you are stuck watching CSPAN for an hour.

kysirsoze
02-13-2014, 01:00 PM
I was just gonna say the cable provider industry needed less competition. Good news.

Stewie
02-13-2014, 03:14 PM
I don't use either of these companies for TV. TWC was horrible when I was a subscriber and I've heard Comcast is worse. DirecTV has always been accommodating... with a little Stewie coercion.

Predarat
02-13-2014, 03:39 PM
Love when they do that. It's even better when something happens and you are stuck watching CSPAN for an hour.

That is the worst, and there is nothing you can do about it, changing the channels, unplugging the cable box. Nothing. The only real thing you can do is switch to a DVD player or something but no live TV. It really sucks if a storm is heading in your area and its stuck on CSPAN or the general EAS warning. Damn I hate Comcast! :cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss:

Mr. Laz
02-14-2014, 09:23 PM
Terrible

cable and internet prices will be going up

tk13
02-14-2014, 11:00 PM
Terrible

cable and internet prices will be going up

What might be just as important is with net neutrality being shot down a few weeks ago... they can put the hammer to Netflix and Hulu and the like and really go after the cord cutters. Like Hamas said... they could restrict bandwidth for people on Apple TV and Roku.

houstonwhodat
02-15-2014, 09:05 AM
Cable TV costs too much nowadays.

You're lucky if you get a bill for 120.00.

And there's still nothing to watch.

Hammock Parties
02-15-2014, 09:11 AM
They better not try to fuck me when I switch to Google Fiber this spring.

Mr. Laz
02-15-2014, 12:46 PM
What might be just as important is with net neutrality being shot down a few weeks ago... they can put the hammer to Netflix and Hulu and the like and really go after the cord cutters. Like Hamas said... they could restrict bandwidth for people on Apple TV and Roku.
yup

they can also choose to jack with prices for certain channels whenever they feel like it


too much power for any particular company is bad

all this consolidation throughout american markets is bad imo

Hammock Parties
04-19-2014, 11:41 AM
I'm kind of impressed right now. Zero fuckery from these guys in canceling my service.

http://i.imgur.com/efUh6Ro.jpg

BigRedChief
04-19-2014, 12:27 PM
yup

they can also choose to jack with prices for certain channels whenever they feel like it


too much power for any particular company is bad

all this consolidation throughout american markets is bad imoHow can anyone think this will be good for the consumer?

The only benefit is for the corporation to get bigger and squeeze the competition out while hitting us with bigger cable bills for less service.

crossbow
04-19-2014, 12:31 PM
I am just about done with cable TV now. The overwhelming onslaught of commercials makes watching anything impossible to enjoy.

kcxiv
04-19-2014, 01:06 PM
They are only ****ing themselves the more expensive it becomes the more and more people will just pirate tv shows and movie. T hey do it now, but i rather watch it on tv or dvr it, but if that shit gets out of hand, ill just download everything. I dont mind paying for cable as i do but the monthly bill for just expanded channels or whatever direct tv calls it, is like 100 bucks a month. Its getting out of hand!

The real kicker is i dont watch more then 15-20 channels. Thats probably going overboard its more or less 10-13 maybe. Yet i gotta pay for a bunch of shit i dont watch.

sd4chiefs
04-19-2014, 02:06 PM
I am just about done with cable TV now. The overwhelming onslaught of commercials makes watching anything impossible to enjoy.

I hardly ever watch anything live anymore. I record it and then FF though the commercials.

kcxiv
04-21-2014, 09:49 PM
netflix matched Comcasts offer to buy Time Warner. lol

my bad they are opposing it? i dont quite understand all this.

Garcia Bronco
04-21-2014, 10:25 PM
This should not be allowed to happen.

exactly...this is nuts. GE shouldn't own all this shit.

BryanBusby
04-21-2014, 10:44 PM
netflix matched Comcasts offer to buy Time Warner. lol

my bad they are opposing it? i dont quite understand all this.
I'm assuming they are just opposing the merger because Netflix doesn't have anywhere close to enough capital to put in a strong bid to acquire TWC.

Netflix would be opposing it on the grounds that one less company in the game gives them less bargain chips when it comes to the dumb ass tariffs they are now basically being forced to pay.

TEX
04-22-2014, 07:02 AM
yup

they can also choose to jack with prices for certain channels whenever they feel like it


too much power for any particular company is bad

all this consolidation throughout american markets is bad imo

Yep. Its never good for the customer, yet they claim that it will be. All that ever happens is prices go up and the customer gets less or stuff they dont want/watch.

oldandslow
04-22-2014, 07:05 AM
Yep. Its never good for the customer, yet they claim that it will be. All that ever happens is prices go up and the customer gets less or stuff they dont want/watch.

Thank Reagan and Clinton. The former started deregulating media, the latter finished it.

D's & R's - opposite sides of the same coin.