NFL Combine Thread

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Discuss..

[penbrook]

Per Terez Paylor

Dixon also said he think he could start immediately for the #Chiefs and started laughing. "The Chiefs can use me. They need to pick me up."

[penbrook]

Per Terez Paylor

Unprompted, Wyoming CB/S Marqueston Huff said he loves #Chiefs safety Eric Berry's game. Even wore No. 14 college. Says he met with KC twice

[penbrook]

Per Terez Paylor

Brandon Dixon of Northwest Missouri State doesn't lack confidence. Called himself the best press-man CB in the draft.

[milkman]

Just couldn't go to draft forum, where there is already numerous threads dedicated to thhe combine?

[boogblaster]

QBs today .. is this a strong year ???

[Sorter]

Just couldn't go to draft forum, where there is already numerous threads dedicated to thhe combine?

Because it's penbook.

[Baby Lee]

Because it's penbook.

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[NCarlsCorner2]

Brandin (Sonic Boom) Cook ran an unofficial 4.30 forty, should be considered at #23.

[penbrook]

Brandin (Sonic Boom) Cook ran an unofficial 4.30 forty, should be considered at #23.

I like Odell Beckham from LSU

[greatgooglymoogly]

Brandin (Sonic Boom) Cook ran an unofficial 4.30 forty, should be considered at #23.

Cooks went on an absurd 5-game run in the middle of last season: 56 rec, 888 yds, 8 TDs, with 3 50+ yd receptions. Even his sub-100 yard games were solid - his season low was 80, and that was against Stanford.

[NCarlsCorner2]

I like Odell Beckham from LSU

He ran a 4.31 on his second attempt.

[Titty Meat]

Q

[BlackHelicopters]

MOAR combine threads.

[penbrook]

He ran a 4.31 on his second attempt.

Dude is a beast and will more than likely be there at #23

[Deberg_1990]

Just couldn't go to draft forum, where there is already numerous threads dedicated to thhe combine?

There can never be too many combine threads.
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[Anyong Bluth]

With the New staff and coaches, I can't get a feel on their leans much at all. With our draft spot this year, it's truly wide open and what's still sitting when they call your dancecard.

Feel like unless elite S has somehow slid all the way to us, they're going with some type of a target for Smith to throw it 2.
A Bluechip TE, would be a wet dream.

[Anyong Bluth]

There can never be too many combine threads.
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You could always just combine them as you so please, too.

[Mr. Laz]

He ran a 4.31 on his second attempt.
Yep, he made himself some money.

[Mr. Laz]

Johnny Manziel 4.58


isn't 4.58 a little slow for a QB that runs a lot?


haven't seen his 10 split yet ... he better be quick

[58-4ever]

Johnny Manziel 4.58


isn't 4.58 a little slow for a QB that runs a lot?


haven't seen his 10 split yet ... he better be quick


I'd rather have an elusive QB than a running QB in the NFL. 4.58 is plenty fast enough to be elusive.

[Mr. Laz]

I'd rather have an elusive QB than a running QB in the NFL. 4.58 is plenty fast enough to be elusive.
Yea, but this is not about what you want, it's about what Manziel is

He's considered a duel threat QB and his value will drop a lot if he loses the run threat. If Manziel is not fast enough to outrun DEs and OLB/DEs then he becomes a pocket passer.

[BlackHelicopters]

Manziel measures under six feet tall.

[Mr. Laz]

Manziel 5'11" 207lb
40 - 4.63 and 4.56
10-yard split of 1.59


split is good so he's got some quicks

[J Diddy]

I like Odell Beckham from LSU

John Brown Pitt State with the 3rd :)

4.3 40

[NCarlsCorner2]

Manziel 5'11" 207lb
40 - 4.63 and 4.56
10-yard split of 1.59


split is good so he's got some quicks

Maziel's official time was slower, the fastest QB's official time was Logan Thomas at 4.61

[penbrook]

Per Terez Paylor

I know y'all were waiting for this one: Bama S Ha Ha Clinton-Dix said he will meet with the #Chiefs. So did Louisville S Calvin Pryor.

[penbrook]

Per Terez Paylor

#Mizzou CB E.J. Gaines says he had an informal interview with the #Chiefs last night. Said they talked about playing in the slot.

[penbrook]

Per John Middlekauff

#Chiefs need a WR badly, they had their WR coach David Culley running the drills, may have gained a thing or 2 today

[penbrook]

Per Terez Paylor

Unprompted, Wyoming CB/S Marqueston Huff said he loves #Chiefs safety Eric Berry's game. Even wore No. 14 college. Says he met with KC twice

[Mr. Laz]

I like Odell Beckham from LSU

He ran a 4.31 on his second attempt.
Beckham's unofficial 4.31 on his second attempt with a blistering 1.50 10-yard split were tremendous times. He ran 4.40 in his first attempt with a 1.59 10-yard split.

Beckham Jr. only benched 225 pounds seven times, which was one of the lowest figures among the wideouts

[Mr. Laz]

Per John Middlekauff

#Chiefs need a WR badly, they had their WR coach David Culley running the drills, may have gained a thing or 2 today
good

[jjchieffan]

Just couldn't go to draft forum, where there is already numerous threads dedicated to thhe combine?

You tell him. How dare he talk about football on a football board. We need more threads about nut shots, Austin women failing to provide ID and teachers having sex with students!

[NCarlsCorner2]

Beckham's unofficial 4.31 on his second attempt with a blistering 1.50 10-yard split were tremendous times. He ran 4.40 in his first attempt with a 1.59 10-yard split.

Beckham Jr. only benched 225 pounds seven times, which was one of the lowest figures among the wideouts

Beckham's official time was 4.43 and Brandin Cooks's official time was 4.33.

[Just Passin' By]

You tell him. How dare he talk about football on a football board. We need more threads about nut shots, Austin women failing to provide ID and teachers having sex with students!

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=29

I wonder what that entire section is for?

[ForeverChiefs58]

@McShay13: Just remember, for perspective: Jerry Rice reportedly ran 4.69 in fastest pre-draft 40. Anquan Bolden ran 4.72, Larry Fitzgerald ran 4.63

[TambaBerry]

Keenan Allen ran a slow one last year and look how good he did.

[ForeverChiefs58]

@McShay13: Ore State's Cooks (4.33) and Pitt State's John Brown (4.34) ran only sub-4.4 40-yard dashes for WRs. Five WRs with sub-4.4's last yr

[ForeverChiefs58]

@McShay13: 12 guys with sub-4.4 unofficial 40 times but only two with "official" sub-4.4 40 times. Little bit of a difference!

[NCarlsCorner2]

Keenan Allen ran a slow one last year and look how good he did.

I believe he was hurt which had an effect on his time.

[Mr. Laz]

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=29

I wonder what that entire section is for?In the offseason there is not much reason to separate the draft from the lounge imo

[MotherfuckerJones]

This is a football board. Better thread than nut shots and shit

[Deberg_1990]

This is a football board. Better thread than nut shots and shit

Agreed. But hot teachers molesting young boys can stay i guess.
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[jjchieffan]

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=29

I wonder what that entire section is for?

Yep. Stupidist thing this board does is send draft talk to a seperate forum but let stupid shit like poop threads or teachers having sex with students threads fill the front page. Why not make people post all that shit in a non football topics forum?? That makes much more sense than moving draft talk to it's own forum.....on a football board.

[Brock]

Yep. Stupidist thing this board does is send draft talk to a seperate forum but let stupid shit like poop threads or teachers having sex with students threads fill the front page. Why not make people post all that shit in a non football topics forum?? That makes much more sense than moving draft talk to it's own forum.....on a football board.

Yep, it's dumb.

[J Diddy]

Yep. Stupidist thing this board does is send draft talk to a seperate forum but let stupid shit like poop threads or teachers having sex with students threads fill the front page. Why not make people post all that shit in a non football topics forum?? That makes much more sense than moving draft talk to it's own forum.....on a football board.

Not really. There'd be 1 million 1 post threads on the front page filled with everyone's favorite pick and you couldn't find a good poop thread or teacher sex scandal thread easily.

[philfree]

I see our WR coach and RB coach running the drills so does that give us any advantage in scouting the players?

[Baby Lee]

Not really. There'd be 1 million 1 post threads on the front page filled with everyone's favorite pick and you couldn't find a good poop thread or teacher sex scandal thread easily.

Poop thread, is that like, . . . dental floss, or does someone have a severe diet compulsion?

[Chiefshrink]

Brandin (Sonic Boom) Cook ran an unofficial 4.30 forty, should be considered at #23.

I like Odell Beckham from LSU

These guys stood out the most for me and I especially liked Cook's gauntlet drill. Great hands, very quick, smooth, straight and never lost any speed during his catches and when he turned it up field he never lost any speed and showed he definitely had a 5th gear that could go into 6th if needed;)

[OldSchool]

These guys stood out the most for me and I especially liked Cook's gauntlet drill. Great hands, very quick, smooth, straight and never lost any speed during his catches and when he turned it up field he never lost any speed and showed he definitely had a 5th gear that could go into 6th if needed;)

The only thing holding me back from really liking Cooks is the fact that he has a really small catch radius; one of the shortest Wrs in both height and arm length. If we had a 2nd round pick, I would be all for it, but we don't. Also, if we take Cooks, I want us to take a shot at a guy like Martavis Bryant who has the length that Cooks lacks and can actually play on the outside.

[jspchief]

Not really. There'd be 1 million 1 post threads on the front page filled with everyone's favorite pick and you couldn't find a good poop thread or teacher sex scandal thread easily.

Pretty much. If the front page had the number of combine threads that currently exist, people would complain (not to mention mock draft and fantasy football). Or combine threads would fall off to make room for poop threads, stifling more in depth discussion.

Conversely, it could become a mega thread that becomes as useful as a dictionary that's not in alphabetical order, complete with the typical CP slap fights sprinkled on top.

Or we could stop trying to act like power tripped hall monitors, and let the occasional out of place thread sink or swim as activity dictates.

This thread in conjunction with the draft forum is the best of both worlds. Combine info for the casual follower along with a place for deeper discussion.

[jspchief]

I see our WR coach and RB coach running the drills so does that give us any advantage in scouting the players?

Perhaps a little. Our coaches can try to test the things the FO is looking for, get a feel for personality, etc.

Of course that all hinges on the evaluation ability of those position coaches, which may or may not be a strength.

[J Diddy]

Pretty much. If the front page had the number of combine threads that currently exist, people would complain (not to mention mock draft and fantasy football). Or combine threads would fall off to make room for poop threads, stifling more in depth discussion.

Conversely, it could become a mega thread that becomes as useful as a dictionary that's not in alphabetical order, complete with the typical CP slap fights sprinkled on top.

Or we could stop trying to act like power tripped hall monitors, and let the occasional out of place thread sink or swim as activity dictates.

This thread in conjunction with the draft forum is the best of both worlds. Combine info for the casual follower along with a place for deeper discussion.

Agree totally.

[Simply Red]

Mike Mayock hates gays.

[KCrockaholic]

Today I was pretty impressed with Odell Beckham, Mike Evans, Cooks. McCarron looked pretty good all things considered. Bortles looked pretty good. John Brown of Pitt State, Jerick McKinnon looked ridiculous.

I was unimpressed with a few guys. A few runningbacks that just don't do anything for me, and my #1 underrated guy is David Fluellen of Toledo. Only ran a 4.7, but it's his vision and smooth running that makes him look like a possible NFL back. Tajh Boyd is manure. I really don't see him ever doing anything in the NFL other than being a lifetime back up.

L'Damian Washington looked alright, but made a couple bonehead moves, and ran a good time.

Kelvin Benjamin was faster than I thought. I really only expected 4.65 at best.

Those are the main guys that stood out anyways aside from the obvious, Dri Archer, or Watkins.

[J Diddy]

I would love, fucking love us drafting John Brown. He's blazing fast but small, however if you're wanting someone to replace McCluster he's the guy.

[Just Passin' By]

Yep. Stupidist thing this board does is send draft talk to a seperate forum but let stupid shit like poop threads or teachers having sex with students threads fill the front page. Why not make people post all that shit in a non football topics forum?? That makes much more sense than moving draft talk to it's own forum.....on a football board.

If the main board was only for football and was dead, I'd agree with you. That's not the case, though, so why not just open two tabs? It's not difficult to do.

[jjchieffan]

I just got annoyed by the pricks bitching about the combine thread. My first thought was, I wish I could tell the starter of the nutshots thread that there was a forum for that. But, instead, I just open it up, click ignore thread, and move on. And I will continue to do so since obviously the other forum is not getting any support.

[J Diddy]

I just got annoyed by the pricks bitching about the combine thread. My first thought was, I wish I could tell the starter of the nutshots thread that there was a forum for that. But, instead, I just open it up, click ignore thread, and move on. And I will continue to do so since obviously the other forum is not getting any support.

People are going to bitch. Fuck em

[Mr. Laz]

I just got annoyed by the pricks bitching about the combine thread. My first thought was, I wish I could tell the starter of the nutshots thread that there was a forum for that. But, instead, I just open it up, click ignore thread, and move on. And I will continue to do so since obviously the other forum is not getting any support.

best thing to do is to start and participate in draft and football threads in the lounge

bitching is pretty much just chum in the water


Just ignore the draft forum and start talking football right here

[Anyong Bluth]

Mike Mayock hates gays.

I thought he was the Anderson Cooper of the NFL media.

The.more you know.

[RustShack]

I'd like to see us pick up Jeremiah George. I know I know "homer". But he led the Big12 in tackles, led Iowa State in basically every defensive statistic, and would be a mid-late round flyer pick. Nice ILB prospect.

[Direckshun]

best thing to do is to start and participate in draft and football threads in the lounge

bitching is pretty much just chum in the water

Just ignore the draft forum and start talking football right here

Please, god, follow this man's advice.

In the Draft forum, we call Laz's """"strategy"""" what it really is: quality control for the draft forum.

[Marcellus]

Clowney got out bench pressed by a punter. LMAO

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000328386/article/jadeveon-clowney-puts-up-just-21-reps-in-bench-press

[MotherfuckerJones]

Clowneys getting dissed man lol

[ForeverChiefs58]

ProFootballTalk: Fractured bone in foot to keep Stephon Tuitt from participating at combine


Would love to see lightning twice and see 1st rd talent still there in 3rd ala Houston

[ForeverChiefs58]

Report: Dee Ford won’t work out for medical reasons

Dee Ford might play with good technique, but he won’t work out at the Scouting Combine at all.

According to Scott Hanson of the NFL Network, Ford won’t work out with the other defensive linemen today for medical reasons.

The particulars of the absence of the Auburn defensive end weren’t mentioned, and will obviously be worth following throughout the day, as he was considered one of the top prospects at his position.

If it’s a short-term problem, he’ll have a chance to make up for it at his pro day, but being scratched by doctors in Indianapolis is always going to be a concern.

[Baby Lee]

RB Adam Muema leaves NFL combine because God told him to


http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24455050/rb-adam-muema-leaves-nfl-combine-because-god-told-him-to

[Rausch]

Clowneys getting dissed man lol

Am I the only person sick of these guys using the chest bounce to help press?

I was always taught that you should say "touch!Hold!Press!" in your head as quick as you can before the lift.

No bounce - you lower and lift...

[ForeverChiefs58]

Michael sam on questions about whether he is a 'tweener' or fits a 3-4 or 4-3 'I'm a pass rusher'

[ForeverChiefs58]

Sam says he's not worried about opposing fan reactions. "If Miami Dolphins drafted me I'd be excited" Sam says of the Wells report details

Michael sam on dolphins 'I'm not afraid of that environment I know how to handle myself'

On anti-gay language in locker rooms: "I don't think anyone means it ... As time goes on everyone will adapt."

Michael sam if he's called a name in locker room said he would 'have a conversation' with teammate and hope that takes care of it

[ForeverChiefs58]

Ok this was funny:

Sam: "I just wish you guys would see me as Michael Sam, the football player, instead of Michael Sam, the gay football player."

Michael sam is wearing a rainbow pin that says 'stand with sam'

[ForeverChiefs58]

Clowney got out bench pressed by a punter. LMAO

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000328386/article/jadeveon-clowney-puts-up-just-21-reps-in-bench-press

But he is faster than a lot of WR's

[ForeverChiefs58]

South Carolina defensive end Jadaveon Clowney runs the 40-yard dash in 4.47 unofficial

Wow

[ForeverChiefs58]

Extremely impressive time of 4.65 for Pitt defensive tackle Aaron Donald

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Holy fucking fuck at Clowney's time!

[ForeverChiefs58]

Holy fucking fuck at Clowney's time!

I think he seriously just made himself the unanimous pick for texans. Clowney with jj watt and they don't need no stinking qb

[ForeverChiefs58]

That time is insane for a defensive lineman. At last year’s Combine, the fastest 40 for a defensive lineman was 4.60 seconds. Two years ago, Bruce Irvin was considered a freakish athlete who propelled himself into the first round when he ran a 4.50-second 40 at 245 pounds. Clowney weighs 266 pounds and is 6' fucking 6"

[Rausch]

Ok this was funny:

Sam: "I just wish you guys would see me as Michael Sam, the football player, instead of Michael Sam, the gay football player."

Michael sam is wearing a rainbow pin that says 'stand with sam'

Anyone bash Favre for being "the breast cancer guy?"

[Rausch]

Holy ****ing **** at Clowney's time!

How does this impact his game?

How many times will Clowney be expected to run 40 or, hell, even 20 yards?...

[Mr. Flopnuts]

How does this impact his game?

How many times will Clowney be expected to run 40 or, hell, even 20 yards?...

Hell, he ran it faster than McCluster did. Let's get him to return punts!!!

[Baby Lee]

Anyone bash Favre for being "the breast cancer guy?"

I think Favre WANTED to be seen as a breast cancer guy.

The observation you cited is finding humor in the mixed message, not outrage.

[ForeverChiefs58]

Anyone bash Favre for being "the breast cancer guy?"

I'm not bashing him at all, I hope he is a beast in nfl. But Favre didn't say "I don't want to be known as a breast cancer guy" while wearing a pink ribbon.

I personally think he should just stop taking questions about it, so people will focus on him a player. All the rest of it will fall into place as his impact off the field is diminished by what he does on it. Would love to see him go to the Ravens and be another ray lewis

[Simply Red]

Mike Mayock hates gays and certain blacks.

[kepp]

South Carolina defensive end Jadaveon Clowney runs the 40-yard dash in 4.47 unofficial

Wow

Damn fast, but that'll turn out to be in the mid 4.5's officially, most likely. Still moving for that size.

[ForeverChiefs58]

Hell, he ran it faster than McCluster did. Let's get him to return punts!!!

Can you imagine that man hitting someone going that fast? Can he play FS? Lol

[ForeverChiefs58]

Mike Mayock hates gays and certain blacks.

Uh...weird and non factual. But ok.

[ForeverChiefs58]

Jadaveon Clowney runs a 4.48 on his second try, ran a 4.47 during his first run. Athleticism is crazy

[jonzie04]

pretty surprised by donalds time. i'd bust a nut if the chiefs took him in the first. he looks really quick on the field as well.

[Rausch]

I think Favre WANTED to be seen as a breast cancer guy.

Good point.

Bad example...

[Rausch]

I'm not bashing him at all, I hope he is a beast in nfl. But Favre didn't say "I don't want to be known as a breast cancer guy" while wearing a pink ribbon.

He's also a kid.

Us old farts forget that...

[ForeverChiefs58]

He's also a kid.

Us old farts forget that...

Very true. I read the Giants were looking at him as well. Where ever he goes, his confidence and talent will take him far. He is someone you can't help but cheer for

[ForeverChiefs58]

wow. Flash?

One scout timed RB Dri Archer at 4.18 seconds

[ForeverChiefs58]

Officially, Kent State running back Dri Archer ran the 40-yard dash in 4.26 seconds. Unofficially, he was even faster.

Per a league source, one scout timed Archer at 4.18 seconds in the 40.

While hardly scientific, the hand-timed result compares favorably with some of the legendary times generated before partial electronic timing was implemented in 2000. The start of the run is measured by hand; the conclusion is measured electronically.

Based on the old hand-timed numbers, the only players faster than Archer were Bo Jackson (4.12), running back Michael Bennett (4.13), Darrell Green (4.15), and Ahman Green (4.17).

Regardless of the specifics, Archer runs very fast. And while that’s one just piece of a much broader and convoluted puzzle, it’s always good to run very fast, especially for a running back.


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/24/one-scout-timed-dri-archer-at-4-18-seconds/

[Jimmya]

Very impressed with Evans forty time!

[Rausch]

Very true. I read the Giants were looking at him as well. Where ever he goes, his confidence and talent will take him far. He is someone you can't help but cheer for

He'll also have a chip on his shoulder no one else has.

He knows, before every game, YOU are the face of what you believe in.

He knew what he was doing when he made this decision.

I wouldn't want to be in his way...

[Rausch]

For those watching who was the best looking "phat back" of the bunch?

I have my own favorite (too high for us to draft) but I'd like to hear the crowd reactions...

[ForeverChiefs58]

Aaron Donald’s also opening eyes with his 40

Jadeveon Clowney isn’t the only physical freak among the defensive linemen working out today at the Scouting Combine.

Pitt defensive tackle Aaron Donald just ran his first 40-yard dash in an unofficial 4.65 seconds.

At 285 pounds.

Even when that one’s inevitably rounded down a bit, that’s still stretching the laws of physics. When you multiply mass times acceleration, it will make Donald a high pick anyway.

But the short-area acceleration which is so vital for defensive linemen is where you get a real sense of Donald’s burst. His 10-yard split was 1.59 seconds, a hair behind Clowney’s 1.56, for a guy carrying an extra 20 pounds.

That is going to earn Donald a lot of comparisons to players such as Bengals All-Pro Geno Atkins, and guarantee that unlike Atkins, he won’t have to wait until the fourth round.

[Rausch]

But the short-area acceleration which is so vital for defensive linemen is where you get a real sense of Donald’s burst. His 10-yard split was 1.59 seconds, a hair behind Clowney’s 1.56, for a guy carrying an extra 20 pounds.

That is going to earn Donald a lot of comparisons to players such as Bengals All-Pro Geno Atkins, and guarantee that unlike Atkins, he won’t have to wait until the fourth round.

I'm ready for more position specific drills...

[The Franchise]

Disappointed that Tuitt didn't get a chance to run through the drills, and the 40, at the combine....but he did put up 31 reps. That's one positive. Plus he's reportedly down to around 305 lbs.

[ForeverChiefs58]

pretty cool: See how University of South Carolina defensive end Jadeveon Clowney fared in the 40-yard dash compared to Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel, Carolina Panthers Cam Newton and San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick. 21.7 MPH

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/0ap2000000328687/Clowney-in-MPH

[Baby Lee]

pretty cool: See how University of South Carolina defensive end Jadeveon Clowney fared in the 40-yard dash compared to Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel, Carolina Panthers Cam Newton and San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick. 21.7 MPH

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/0ap2000000328687/Clowney-in-MPH

Shazen!!!

I stand with Sam!!

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Michael Sam disappoints in the 40

Posted by Michael David Smith on February 24, 2014, 11:59 AM EST
michaelsam
AP
As the most-watched man at the Scouting Combine, former Missouri defensive end Michael Sam aced the early portion of the test, coming across as smart, thoughtful and focused on football when he met the media. But in his workouts, Sam hasn’t been as impressive.

Sam, who will be the NFL’s first openly gay player if he makes it to the league, turned in a disappointing 40-yard dash on Monday after turning in a disappointing bench press on Sunday.

NFL Network timed Sam at 4.79 seconds and 4.84 seconds in his two 40-yard dash attempts. That’s not a good showing for a 261-pound defensive end. Several bigger defensive ends have run faster, and some defensive tackles are faster, too.

And that comes on the heels of yesterday’s performance in the bench press in which Sam managed just 17 repetitions of 225 pounds. That was the second-worst showing among defensive linemen, and plenty of non-linemen (including seven wide receivers) did better than that as well. If you’re not strong and you’re not fast, that’s not a good combination.

By coming out before the Combine, Sam showed that he’s a brave, inspirational young man. What Sam hasn’t shown at the Combine is that he’s a good enough athlete to succeed in the NFL.

[ForeverChiefs58]

Clowney official 40 time = 4.53. The 5-yr average of wide receivers at the combine is 4.54. WRs average 202 lbs. Clowney checked in at 266 lbs

[Mr. Laz]

Please, god, follow this man's advice.

In the Draft forum, we call Laz's """"strategy"""" what it really is: quality control for the draft forum.yea, because you draft guys are so superior to the rest of us.


yet another reason to avoid the draft forum

[King_Chief_Fan]

Clowney official 40 time = 4.53. The 5-yr average of wide receivers at the combine is 4.54. WRs average 202 lbs. Clowney checked in at 266 lbs

so dual role for him...yes! Let's draft him

[Mr. Laz]

Michael Sam disappoints in the 40

Sam might be a decent guy to backup Hali

[Rausch]

Sam might be a decent guy to backup Hali

Would take...

[The Franchise]

Sam might be a decent guy to backup Hali

Putting Sam at OLB in a 3-4 would be a mistake.

[Mr. Laz]

Putting Sam at OLB in a 3-4 would be a mistake.
Not really

As a backup, we could put him in situations as a pass rush specialist and not expect him to drop into coverage.

[ForeverChiefs58]

Putting Sam at OLB in a 3-4 would be a mistake.

Agree. He is too slow to put into coverage. He would be a 3rd down pass rusher in a 4-3 to best utilize his skill set

[Baby Lee]

Clowney official 40 time = 4.53. The 5-yr average of wide receivers at the combine is 4.54. WRs average 202 lbs. Clowney checked in at 266 lbs

F=.5MV^2

[The Franchise]

Not really

As a backup, we could put him in situations as a pass rush specialist and not expect him to drop into coverage.

Bringing him in for sub packages as a DE is where he's the best fit.

[Jimmya]

It seems that any team that drafts him will be taking a big risk with all the media coverage. Should be interesting.

[Mr. Laz]

Bringing him in for sub packages as a DE is where he's the best fit.

Which is basically what he would be as Hali's backup.

[Direckshun]

Sam has no place in the 3-4.

[planetdoc]

Sam has no place in the 3-4.

agree.

[Mr. Laz]

Sam has no place in the 3-4.
agree.
people said the same about Tamba Hali

[The Franchise]

Which is basically what he would be as Hali's backup.

No. Hali's backup would be required to stand up in the 3-4 and do the things that Hali needs to do.

[saphojunkie]

No. Hali's backup would be required to stand up in the 3-4 and do the things that Hali needs to do.

Wouldn't we want him on the field with Hali and Houston at the same time? Isn't the point of getting more pass rushers to actually have more pass rushers on the field, not just different ones?

[saphojunkie]

I'm not bashing him at all, I hope he is a beast in nfl. But Favre didn't say "I don't want to be known as a breast cancer guy" while wearing a pink ribbon.

I personally think he should just stop taking questions about it, so people will focus on him a player. All the rest of it will fall into place as his impact off the field is diminished by what he does on it. Would love to see him go to the Ravens and be another ray lewis

He needs to just start saying "I will answer all of your gay questions when you start asking Peyton Manning about what its like to prefer women. Next question."

[Mr. Laz]

No. Hali's backup would be required to stand up in the 3-4 and do the things that Hali needs to do.
Hali rarely drops into coverage

The ROLB or Rushbacker position in a 3-4 is very similar to a weakside DE in a 4-3. It's only when a zone blitz occurs and they are ask to drop into coverage when there is a significant difference. Sutton doesn't zone blitz much and when he does he rarely asks Hali to do it.

We need another pass rusher and we might be able to get Sam much lower in the draft than some of the other guys.

At this point in his career, I doubt Hali is any better in coverage than Sam.

[MahiMike]

Extremely impressive time of 4.65 for Pitt defensive tackle Aaron Donald

That's the guy I want.

[Mr. Laz]

That's the guy I want.

What kind of DT is he?

[ForeverChiefs58]

Hali rarely drops into coverage

The ROLB or Rushbacker position in a 3-4 is very similar to a weakside DE in a 4-3. It's only when a zone blitz occurs and they are ask to drop into coverage when there is a significant difference. Sutton doesn't zone blitz much and when he does he rarely asks Hali to do it.

We need another pass rusher and we might be able to get Sam much lower in the draft than some of the other guys.

At this point in his career, I doubt Hali is any better in coverage than Sam.

Lol

[Mr. Laz]

Florida State LB Telvin Smith with a 4.48

[Mr. Laz]

link page with all combine results by position

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2014-nfl-combine-results-wide-receivers/

[MotherfuckerJones]

In first and third rounds, depending on free agency, I'm good with WR, TE, DB, pass rusher.

[Dayze]

all this speed would be awesome if Goddell would let them hit people.

[Rausch]

Hali rarely drops into coverage

Mostly because he's fucking terrible in coverage...

[Mr. Laz]

wow LMAO

Over the weekend at the NFL combine, Auburn defensive end Dee Ford proclaimed that South Carolina's Jadeveon Clowney has nothing on him.

"I'm better," Ford told Pat Kirwan and Jim Miller on Sirius XM. "Let's put it like this: People like to talk about size all the time. Size is pretty much overrated in my eyes. You can look at guys like Robert Mathis, Elvis Dumervil, Von Miller. These are 6-2 guys and under. People are just looking at the fact that he's a physical specimen. Honestly if you watch the film, he plays like a blind dog in a meat market basically. I play with a lot of technique. I watch a lot of film. These are the things I do and it shows up."

Hall of Famer and NFL Network analyst Warren Sapp explained that that "a blind dog in a meat market" refers to a defensive lineman struggling to find the ball because of limited instincts. (To be clear: Sapp didn't say Clowney lacked instincts, just clarified what Ford was referring to.)

By Monday, while Clowney was lighting up the 40 at the combine, Ford was withdrawing from workouts with a back issue. His mouth worked fine, however, and he didn't backpedal from his previous comments.

"We're not saying the dog can't run, we're saying that dog can't find the meat," Ford told NFL Network. "I want everyone to understand it wasn't a personal shot. ... We're laughing about it. I was just speaking matter-of-factly about it."

Duly noted, Dee.

Ford's remarks really don't mean much because the last four days have been about guys fresh out of college running around in shorts and t-shirts. It's impossible to gauge much in the way of football ability under these conditions. We'll have a much better idea of who can do what -- blind dogs in meat markets or otherwise -- when the 2014 regular season rolls around.

Until then, it's just a bunch of gum-flapping.

In case you're wondering, NFLDraftScout.com ranked Ford as its No. 3 defensive end after -- you guessed it -- Clowney and Missouri's Kony Ealy.

[The Franchise]

Clowney is what he is....a tremendous athlete. Dude takes plays....and reportedly games....off. I've got no problem with what Ford said.

[Mr. Laz]

Brandin Cooks might drop because of his size ... great speed and quickness.

[O.city]

Florida State LB Telvin Smith with a 4.48

I think we've interviewed him a few timea

[OldSchool]

Brandin Cooks might drop because of his size ... great speed and quickness.

Cooks has been rated as a 2nd round talent this whole time. If anything, his speed and drill work with move him up into late 1st early 2nd round consideration. His issue is that people only view him as a slot WR, and there are about 10 good slot Wrs in this draft class that I know of, and probably more that I haven't seen or heard of.

[Mr. Laz]

I'm about to throw the name Clowney in there with Favre and Tebow about annoying names i never want to hear again.

:doh!: