Calling it: at least one of these players will be a Chief.

[Direckshun]

I'm going to name a few players that I believe (a.) will be around at our selections throughout the draft, and (b.) Dorsey really, really wants.

I'm basing this on the acquisitions & Draft picks that Dorsey's made in his sole year as Chiefs GM (admittedly a small sample) and some general trends under Ted Thompson while Dorsey was there.

I'm not saying the Chiefs are taking these guys (though I do believe they'll take at least one), but instead the Chiefs will have a heightened interest in these guys, making it more likely they'll be Chiefs in the future.

OT/G Zack Martin, Notre Dame: I think the Chiefs are going to be hunting for tons of OL help this offseason, despite the fact that I think we could get by developing the talent we already have (Donald Stephenson, Eric Kush and Rishaw Johnson). Nonetheless, Dorsey's few OL acquisitions prove that he loves somebody with versatility who can move in open space, particularly on screens. Look no further than blue collar extraordinaire Martin, an athletic lineman who can hold down duties at tackle, but whose short arms makes him a prime candidate for RG. Projected round we'd get him in: 1st.

CB/S Antone Exum, Virginia Tech: Exum is a gifted athlete who missed almost all of 2013 due to injury, but appears to be nearly completely healthy. Exum is a large defensive back with experience at both safety and corner. He's also very large (6'1", 220 lbs), and possesses excellent speed that could serve him well as a free safety. In other words, he's this year's Sanders Commings. The Chiefs can't not be interested... Projected round: 4th.

WR Bruce Ellington, South Carolina: Ellington is one of the freak athletes nobody's talking about this year, since Jadaveon Clowney, Greg Robinson, and Kelvin Benjamin have sucked up all that oxygen. But there's no doubt that Ellington is a great Dorsey selection, as Dorsey loves pure athletes who could develop with coaching. Ellington is only 5'9", but is a fantastic speedster with great hands. He's split time between football and basketball his whole life (he was actually SC's starting point guard and leading scorer), which means his time with the Chiefs would be the 1st time in his life he'd be committing to only one sport year round. Oh yeah, and his brother's Andre Ellington of the Cardinals. Projected round: 3rd, or 2nd if the Chiefs end up with one.

TE Crockett Gillmore, Colorado State -- The Chiefs' acquisition of Anthony Fasano and Travis Kelce sends a clear message: the Chiefs want a guy who can block like a motherfucker, and also happens to be able to receive. Gillmore fits that to a T. He popped on tape to me because he flashes as an excellent receiver, with great speed and even better hands -- but it's his blocking that's the best part of his game. He will only get better with coaching, but on Day One he'd give us a good #2 should either Kelce or Fasano miss time to injury. Projected round: 5th-6th.

WR Jared Abbrederis, Wisconsin: The Chiefs need better hands downfield for Alex Smith, and expert route runners who can separate. Abbrederis is probably the model for receiver that Andy Reid loves for a QB like Alex Smith. He's fast with great hands, yes, but he runs fantastic routes, using his quickness in tight space as a slot guy, or even better, he was a deep threat specialist for the Badgers. He surprised me by measuring at 6'0", too, so he's not the munchkin he looks like on tape. Projected round: 3rd-4th.

OG Trai Turner, LSU: Turner has the look of a 10-year starter in the midrounds of this draft. Turner is an exceptional athlete who ran a 4.9 40, with 34" arms that give him superior ability to seal off defenders from the run. He struggles with power some, which apparently the Chiefs don't mind since they picked Eric Fisher, so hopefully a year or two in a strength program will round out his game. For now, he looks amazing downfield blocking linebackers and DBs in the screen game. Projected round: 5th-6th.

DE Ed Stinson, Alabama: The Chiefs worked hard to keep Tyson Jackson on the payroll in 2013, and it seems nearly certain they'll let him walk this year. But the Chiefs played Jackson a hell of a lot more under Sutton than they did under Crennel, and even frequently kept him in on sub-packages. So if the Chiefs are looking for a Tyson Jackson prototype, you can find that in Ed Stinson of Alabama, a player whose ceiling is the exact kind of player. Very strong in the run game, and frustratingly immobile against the pass, Stinson will require a little development time but could be a rock solid starter in the years ahead for a 3-4 team. Projected round: 5th-7th.

OLB Chris Smith, Arkansas: Smith looks like a goddamn tank with a Hummer's athleticism. I had resisted the idea of him playing at OLB all year since he looked more like a 4-3 DE. The Combine changed all that -- not only was Chris Smith very fast for his size, he was also fluid in the OLB drills, like he'd played the position for years. I think the Chiefs will be in the market for a passrusher to replace Hali in 2015, and Smith looks as good an option as the Chiefs have in this draft. Projected round: 3rd, or 2nd if the Chiefs end up with one.

OLB Trevor Reilly, Utah: Not sure, really, how well Reilly projects to the Chiefs team. I'm far less high on him than others are (you can see me exchange thoughts with Saccopoo, who loves the guy, here (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=281071&highlight=reilly)). The Chiefs, again, are going to be shopping for OLB talent to eventually take over for Hali, and Reilly was a long, productive presence for a program that Andy Reid clearly adores. Meh. Projected round: 4th-5th.

OLB Marcus Smith, Louisville: The "other Smith" that looked brilliant at the Combine was Marcus Smith, who has the added benefit of have 3-4 OLB experience, putting up the 2nd most sacks at the position in 2013 (13 sacks, bitches). Smith looks like a picture perfect candidate to take over for Hali as soon as 2015, and spending a year under Hali and Houston would do wonders for anybody. Smith is a great athlete with prototypical size and speed for the position, and would be ready to contribute right away. Projected round: 3rd.

CB Bashaud Breeland, Clemson: There are a ton of DBs I'm sure the Chiefs are scouting this offseason, but one sneaky great one that most casual fans aren't aware of is Breeland. While the world wonders what will become of Stanley Jean-Baptiste and Keith McGill (both of them huge, 6'3" corners benefitting from what we'll call the "Seahawks Boost" this offseason), Breeland is a long 5'11" with great speed and press-corner experience. My prediction is that the Chiefs will move on from Flowers and Sean Smith in 2015, which means they'll need a couple battle-tested, long corners to fill their slots. Breeland and Marcus Cooper is a backfield with potential. Projected round: 3rd.

S Marqueston Huff, Wyoming: I've started coming around on this year's safety class more and more as I look them over. I still think it's a fairly weak class, but I no longer think finding a starting-caliber FS is a fool's errand. Huff is not exactly going to be a Day One starter, but with 4.4 speed and good 5'11" size, I think he does have potential to be groomed to eventually take over single-high safety duties. He was a sideline-to-sideline playmaker for Wyoming, and at the very least could become a dimeback for the 2014 Chiefs. Projected round: 5th.

Feel free to add any more of your choosing.

[Mr. Laz]

(b.) Dorsey really, really wants.

You have no fucking clue what he 'really,really wants'

[Direckshun]

You have no ****ing clue what he 'really,really wants'

We absolutely do have clues, actually.

It's called the general trend during his time with the Packers, and one season with complete control of the Chiefs roster in 2013.

Two pretty strong clues.

[Eleazar]

You have no ****ing clue what he 'really,really wants'

this

[Marcellus]

Curious, do you have a job?

[warrior]

I like both Smith's both have great potenial

[Mr. Laz]

We absolutely do have clues, actually.

It's called the general trend during his time with the Packers, and one season with complete control of the Chiefs roster in 2013.

Two pretty strong clues.
then title the thread appropriately ...

'These are my educated guesses about players that could be drafted by the Chiefs.'

[Direckshun]

then title the thread appropriately ...

'These are my educated guesses about players that could be drafted by the Chiefs.'

Sure.

You win.

[Fritz88]

OT/G Zack Martin, Notre Dame: I think the Chiefs are going to be hunting for tons of OL help this offseason, despite the fact that I think we could get by developing the talent we already have (Donald Stephenson, Eric Kush and Rishaw Johnson). Nonetheless, Dorsey's few OL acquisitions prove that he loves somebody with versatility who can move in open space, particularly on screens. Look no further than blue collar extraordinaire Martin, an athletic lineman who can hold down duties at tackle, but whose short arms makes him a prime candidate for RG. Projected round we'd get him in: 1st.


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[The Franchise]

Post more draft related shit in the Lounge, they said. Everyone will be happy about more football topics, they said.

[Direckshun]

Post more draft related shit in the Lounge, they said. Everyone will be happy about more football topics, they said.

LMAO

[hometeam]

Is this one of those things where you make a massive, sweeping prediction that ultimately has a chance to become true because you picked so many players?

I think yes.

[Direckshun]

Is this one of those things where you make a massive, sweeping prediction that ultimately has a chance to become true because you picked so many players?

I think yes.

Why not?

Edit: Is picking 12 people out of like 250 really a massive, sweeping prediction? :p

[Eleazar]

Post more draft related shit in the Lounge, they said. Everyone will be happy about more football topics, they said.

Actual articles, even mock drafts, ok.

Random crap like this, no.

[BlackHelicopters]

Tell me what you want what you really really want.

[RealSNR]

Post more draft related shit in the Lounge, they said. Everyone will be happy about more football topics, they said.

Motherfucking +1

[Direckshun]

Tell me what you want what you really really want.

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Odell+Beckham+Jr+Washington+v+LSU+uvEVFkXkinil.jpg

[The Franchise]

Actual articles, even mock drafts, ok.

Random crap like this, no.

Welcome to The Draft Forum.....you want actual articles and mock drafts? You get this along with it. Don't like it? Don't open it.

[J Diddy]

If noo John Brown from PSU then I don't believe it.

[RealSNR]

Actual articles, even mock drafts, ok.

Random crap like this, no.

What makes this random crap and unworthy of discussion?

[Direckshun]

If noo John Brown from PSU then I don't believe it.

John Brown would be super interesting in our scheme.

[The Franchise]

You know what threads like these get you? The interest to look at a player that you've never heard before. That's what Direckshun is good at. He's good at getting you interested in a 6th round prospect from a college that you've never heard of. Don't like it? Shut the fuck up and let the man fucking work.

[J Diddy]

What makes this random crap and unworthy of discussion?

No John Brown from PSU.

Hellooo

[Frosty]

My gut says Zach Martin.

Stupid gut. :sulk:

[J Diddy]

John Brown would be super interesting in our scheme.

Replace McCluster and would do well, IMO.

I'm a little bit biased though.

[J Diddy]

My gut says Zach Martin.

Stupid gut. :sulk:

When my gut says something I don't like I punch it in the gut.

[The Franchise]

My gut says Zach Martin.

Stupid gut. :sulk:

Awesome. I'll get shit because of someone I don't want us to draft.

[Frosty]

Awesome. I'll get shit because of someone I don't want us to draft.

LMAO

There are three draftables Beavers - Cooks, Scott Crichton, and Rashaad Reynolds. i hope we get at least one of them.

[Direckshun]

My gut says Zach Martin.

Stupid gut. :sulk:

I'm really starting to get there, too.

[Direckshun]

LMAO

There are three draftables Beavers - Cooks, Scott Crichton, and Rashaad Reynolds. i hope we get at least one of them.

I really like Reynolds as a mid-to-late round prospect. I think he could fit in our defensive scheme.

Don't know a ton about Crichton.

[Titty Meat]

If Schwartz signs somewhere I could see them taking an o-linemen in the first round

[The Franchise]

LMAO

There are three draftables Beavers - Cooks, Scott Crichton, and Rashaad Reynolds. i hope we get at least one of them.

The Irish have a lot of players in the draft this year.....but I'd only be ok with Nix, Tuitt, T.J. Jones and Atkinson. And Jones and Atkinson would be later round picks. Martin is a good prospect....but I don't think he's worthy of a 1st round pick.

[Direckshun]

The Irish have a lot of players in the draft this year.....but I'd only be ok with Nix, Tuitt, T.J. Jones and Atkinson. And Jones and Atkinson would be later round picks. Martin is a good prospect....but I don't think he's worthy of a 1st round pick.

I think Watt could be a player, too. But not in our scheme.

[dtrain]

Going by your analysis I did a draft on Fanspeak.com and what do you think of this?

23
CB DARQUEZE DENNARD MICHIGAN STATE
87
DE MARCUS SMITH LOUISVILLE
120
CB ANTONE EXUM VIRIGNIA TECH
151
WR BRUCE ELLINGTON SOUTH CAROLINA
177
G WESLEY JOHNSON VANDERBILT
184
S MARQUESTON HUFF WYOMING

[The Franchise]

I think Watt could be a player, too. But not in our scheme.

Fuck....forgot about him. He'll be a solid OG in the NFL.

[Frosty]

I really like Reynolds as a mid-to-late round prospect. I think he could fit in our defensive scheme.

Don't know a ton about Crichton.


I think Crichton could drop a little weight and play OLB but he is probably best suited to a 4-3 DE. Just a highly disruptive guy who makes plays all over the field.

[Direckshun]

Going by your analysis I did a draft on Fanspeak.com and what do you think of this?

23
CB DARQUEZE DENNARD MICHIGAN STATE
87
DE MARCUS SMITH LOUISVILLE
120
CB ANTONE EXUM VIRIGNIA TECH
151
WR BRUCE ELLINGTON SOUTH CAROLINA
177
G WESLEY JOHNSON VANDERBILT
184
S MARQUESTON HUFF WYOMING

I really don't think Dennard, Ellington, or Huff are going to be available at those spots. If the Draft were to fall like that, I'd probably **** a bagel.

If we were able to land Dennard at all, it's a win.

[Jakemall]

You have no ****ing clue what he 'really,really wants'


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[J Diddy]

LMAO

There are three draftables Beavers - Cooks, Scott Crichton, and Rashaad Reynolds. i hope we get at least one of them.

Now, now. It's been a while for me so I'm going to state that at this point I would take any Beaver available.

[Titty Meat]

Dennard would be a wasted pick. Just sign Thurmond and the secondary is set minus free safety.

[Direckshun]

Now, now. It's been a while for me so I'm going to state that at this point I would take any Beaver available.

Might not be a bad idea to reach for one if the opportunity is there. LMAO

[Direckshun]

Dennard would be a wasted pick. Just sign Thurmond and the secondary is set minus free safety.

Yeah, who needs athletically gifted lockdown corners?

Not us, that's who!

[J Diddy]

Might not be a bad idea to reach for one if the opportunity is there. LMAO

Trust me. I'm Beaver hunting. It might not be the best Beaver, it might not be the prettiest Beaver, but I can guarantee that I'll get my use out of that Beaver and get rid of it ASAP if necessary.

There's nothing worse than bad Beaver just hanging around.

[Titty Meat]

Yeah, who needs athletically gifted lockdown corners?

Not us, that's who!

Its doubtful you've ever watched a Michigan State game.

Walter Thurmond is a good CB we already have 3 pretty good corners. Lets trade two 2nds for a qb and not surround him with any weapons.

[The Franchise]

Its doubtful you've ever watched a Michigan State game.

Walter Thurmond is a good CB we already have 3 pretty good corners. Lets trade two 2nds for a qb and not surround him with any weapons.

I think Thurmond is going to price himself out of our range.

[Direckshun]

Its doubtful you've ever watched a Michigan State game.

What is this "football" that you speak of?

[Titty Meat]

I think Thurmond is going to price himself out of our range.

The Chiefs will have 12 mil in cap I doubt he even gets a Sean Smith contract even so they could still afford him.

[Titty Meat]

What is this "football" that you speak of?

Sometimes it does appear that way with this board and its irrational love for corners.

Pay Carr 50 mil!
Draft a corner round 1!

Guys corners aren't hard to find. You can sign veterans who will get the job done or find them in the middle rounds unless you're Dick Vermiel.

[mcaj22]

Sometimes it does appear that way with this board and its irrational love for corners.

Pay Carr 50 mil!
Draft a corner round 1!

Guys corners aren't hard to find. You can sign veterans who will get the job done or find them in the middle rounds unless you're Dick Vermiel.

that hasn't worked for the Chiefs in the last like 5 years.

Every CB Fat Scott drafted was horrible
Every FA veteran we brought in was also horrible. (Routt, Dunta, Sean Smith can be debatable)

the best evaluation was when Herm got us Flowers/Carr. It's been a struggle since. I don't know what the answer is, keep drafting until they hit? But to say the Chiefs have been in a drought for a hit on a CB is an understatement.

[Dante84]

You have no ****ing clue what he 'really,really wants'

AND SO IT BEGINS.

DO YOU SEE, PHOBIA?

DOO YOUUUU SEEEEEEEE????!!!!

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[ct]

You know what threads like these get you? The interest to look at a player that you've never heard before. That's what Direckshun is good at. He's good at getting you interested in a 6th round prospect from a college that you've never heard of. Don't like it? Shut the **** up and let the man ****ing work.

this +1

for those who don't like it, go back to your regularly scheduled poop threads or weekly floriduh news updates

[ct]

LMAO

There are three draftables Beavers - Cooks, Scott Crichton, and Rashaad Reynolds. i hope we get at least one of them.

every beaver is draftable, just depends on which round (of drinks) you're on

[Titty Meat]

that hasn't worked for the Chiefs in the last like 5 years.

Every CB Fat Scott drafted was horrible
Every FA veteran we brought in was also horrible. (Routt, Dunta, Sean Smith can be debatable)

the best evaluation was when Herm got us Flowers/Carr. It's been a struggle since. I don't know what the answer is, keep drafting until they hit? But to say the Chiefs have been in a drought for a hit on a CB is an understatement.


Sean Smith was our best CB last year.

[The Franchise]

Sean Smith was our best CB last year.

mcaj22 hates everyone.

[Frosty]

this +1

for those who don't like it, go back to your regularly scheduled poop threads or weekly floriduh news updates

You post this...

every beaver is draftable, just depends on which round (of drinks) you're on

And then post more beaver jokes.


LMAO

[ct]

You post this...



And then post more beaver jokes.


LMAO

well, yeah, cause...beavers

[Frosty]

well, yeah, cause...beavers

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/ce/ce8806daf1066b258cf40af41f4e9bf9f3829d3299c792025a05ef0f143ab42b.jpg

[CaliforniaChief]

Hey Pest, what about the TE Niklas?

[Snapplez]

I think the Chiefs will draft a player this May

[The Franchise]

Hey Pest, what about the TE Niklas?

See...this is what happens when I'm sick. Niklas is going to be more of a old-time TE in this league. Dude is huge with above average mobility. Not sure how he'll do in this league....it depends on the team that drafts him. A 6'6", 270 TE who can move though....is amazing.

[ModSocks]

Post more draft related shit in the Lounge, they said. Everyone will be happy about more football topics, they said.

haha right?

[Sully]

Who made you a friggin GM?

[mcaj22]

Sean Smith was our best CB last year.

which isnt saying much

[Steron]

I enjoy Direckshun's posts. I don't post in them much because I really don't know anything about most of the college players. Just the big names. I find it informative to read about players I have no idea about. I don't understand the venom and vitriol sent at him.

Keep it up Direckshun!

[Just Passin' By]

Post more draft related shit in the Lounge, they said. Everyone will be happy about more football topics, they said.

LMAO


Perfect

[Dante84]

Who made you a friggin GM?

There's that jazz.

[Frosty]

LMAO


Perfect

And to top it off, Direckshun didn't even use the right icon, so you can't click the draft icon to find the thread.

[planetdoc]

One thing that all the 2013 chiefs pick had in common is that they were workout/combine warriors. Keep that in mind when evaluating guys.


OT/G Zack Martin, Notre Dame:

Dont see it. Both Kush and Eric Fisher were workout warriors, with speed and fairly long arms Even Watkins and Rickshaw are pretty big specimens.

Martin has short arms, and didnt do anything great at the combine.


CB/S Antone Exum, Virginia Tech:

5'11'' with 4.59 speed. Doesnt sound like the cb dorsey looks for. nope.


WR Bruce Ellington, South Carolina:
short. supposedly dorsey likes tall guys. nope.


TE Crockett Gillmore, Colorado State
not a workout warrior. 4.89 speed?! That is worse than McGrath.


WR Jared Abbrederis, Wisconsin:
possibly.


OG Trai Turner, LSU:
possibly. sounds like a dorsey pick.


DE Ed Stinson, Alabama:
doubt it. didnt do anything at the combine.


OLB Chris Smith, Arkansas:

Hell yes. This guy has Dorsey written all over him. He is like another Elvis Dumerville.


OLB Trevor Reilly, Utah:
possibly. He would need a terrific proday.



OLB Marcus Smith, Louisville:
possibly. Had a pretty good combine, and did well in linebacker drills.


CB Bashaud Breeland, Clemson:
undersized and slow. not a dorsey pick


S Marqueston Huff, Wyoming:

maybe. He has terrific straight line speed, but doesnt have great change of direction, and I heard he wasnt great in the DB drills. He is also a little undersized for what you would want in a safety, IMO. I could see the chiefs being more interested in getting a Keith McGill or Dontae Johnson and trying them out at safety (similar to Sanders COmmings).

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

Fat Tuesday's thread should be a huge hit.

[Anyong Bluth]

You have no fucking clue what he 'really,really wants'







We absolutely do have clues, actually.

It's called the general trend during his time with the Packers, and one season with complete control of the Chiefs roster in 2013.

Two pretty strong clues.


Well, for arguments sake, lay it aside, because it's pointless and a futile argument. A more constructive response would be argue the analysis of the players he originally listed. Even better, offer a counter-list of players that may be available that would be better selections over the guys from the original post, or guys you think that are better candidates for what fits the Chief's mold in player evaluation and selection.

[htismaqe]

ROFL

This place is a shithole.

Some "football" forum it is.

[Deberg_1990]

Calling it: The Chiefs will draft some college players
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[Just Passin' By]

Exum's a guy whose draft stock rising wouldn't surprise me. His combine numbers might gain him a round or more.

[Titty Meat]

ROFL

This place is a shithole.

Some "football" forum it is.

Lol are you referring to the guys bitching about football talk?

It is getting ridiculous.

[Dante84]

Lol are you referring to the guys bitching about football talk?

It is getting ridiculous.

Yes.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

I'm already burned out on the draft.

[Hammock Parties]

k

[Deberg_1990]

I'm already burned out on the draft.

Over 2 months to go. what's funny is, with it being pushed back, draft season is about as long as the regular season.

:facepalm:
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[Direckshun]

Over 2 months to go. what's funny is, with it being pushed back, draft season is about as long as the regular season.

:facepalm:

Holy shit. You're dead right.

[Deberg_1990]

Holy shit. You're dead right.

I think it was a mistake to push it. Of course people will still watch, but its pushing it with the hype.

Its right in the thick of NBA playoffs, NHL playoffs, summer movie season, TV sweeps. at least in April there wasn't as many things to distract fan attention.
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[Titty Meat]

Less football talk moar royals and soccer threads!

[Direckshun]

It's like, dead-on finals week, now, too.

[Iconic]

Successful thread.

[Anyong Bluth]

Damnit, I forgot about the draft being pushed back. I hate that.

[Ragged Robin]

Exum + Abbrederis plz.

[Reaper16]

What was the argument again for pushing the draft back? I can't think of a single good reason for it. Like, why would NFL teams want it? It's giving prospects a whole other month in which to make a mistake like getting caught with weed or driving under the influence or etc etc.

[crazycoffey]

I'm calling it here first, the chiefs WILL draft a player that participated in thecombine.....



:Poke:

[planetdoc]

NFLPA were for it because it gives free agents more time to sign with teams before cheap draft picks fill up the roster.

[Reaper16]

NFLPA were for it because it gives free agents more time to sign with teams before cheap draft picks fill up the roster.

Oh, that's right. Hmph.

[Titty Meat]

What was the argument again for pushing the draft back? I can't think of a single good reason for it. Like, why would NFL teams want it? It's giving prospects a whole other month in which to make a mistake like getting caught with weed or driving under the influence or etc etc.

I'm not a fan of pushing the draft back however it will make the off season go by quicker. Less then a month it's OTA's and then a month later its training camp.

[MotherfuckerJones]

If Schwartz signs somewhere I could see them taking an o-linemen in the first round

Absolutely no purpose.

[RippedmyFlesh]

I'll puke if we take a mother fucking guard in the first round. And I will blame you
Direckshun and put a curse on your internet connection. Even Sacc is pining for Beckham not an olineman for our first.

[Direckshun]

I'm not rooting for Martin.

I just think he's a classic Dorsey pick, if there is such a thing at this point.

[OldSchool]

I'm not rooting for Martin.

I just think he's a classic Dorsey pick, if there is such a thing at this point.

Dorsey & Reid pick. Pretty certain that they both believe that they can get an impace player, or several of them, at WR in the middle rounds. The pro-ready OL players won't be available in the middle rounds, just a lot of good but raw talents who likely won't be ready to start day 1.

Reid and Dorsey both prefer to build from the trenches. They would rather get an All-Pro player along the OL or DL before getting an All-Pro perimeter player.

[Hammock Parties]

this thread is like poop

from a butt

[RippedmyFlesh]

I'm not rooting for Martin.

I just think he's a classic Dorsey pick, if there is such a thing at this point.

I'm still going to blame you if he does:p

[BWillie]

I'm not rooting for Martin.

I just think he's a classic Dorsey pick, if there is such a thing at this point.

Is he even good? Ill admit, aside from him being a giant pussy, I dont know a thing about his football skills

[OldSchool]

Is he even good? Ill admit, aside from him being a giant pussy, I dont know a thing about his football skills

Yes, he was the only player who was able to soundly beat Aaron Donald in 1 on 1 drills at the Senior Bowl. This is Aaron Donald:

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Martin would be a solid starting OT in the league, but has All-Pro potential inside at guard.

[crazycoffey]

Which Martin?

[OldSchool]

Which Martin?

Zack Martin out if Notre Dame.

[crazycoffey]

Zack Martin out if Notre Dame.

Why is he considered a "giant pussy"?

[mdchiefsfan]

You know what threads like these get you? The interest to look at a player that you've never heard before. That's what Direckshun is good at. He's good at getting you interested in a 6th round prospect from a college that you've never heard of. Don't like it? Shut the **** up and let the man ****ing work.

:thumb:

[crazycoffey]

not a workout warrior. 4.89 speed?! That's worse than McGrath

It's funny, that hindsight, if anyone on the planet would have said McGrath would have the production he had last year, everyone else would have bet hundreds/thousands of dollars against it.

Not that he tore it up, but he definetly "overproduced" his "value". Yet in a couple months critics will bash teams for taking player "a" in round three when they might have been taken in the fourth, yet some other undrafted players will contribute more to their respective teams then many drafted players.

Hundreds of thousands of dollars mistakes, clear as a weather man making a mistake, and these idiot GMs will still get paid. No wonder the Mecca Internet GMs think they can do better jobs, in many cases they may be right.

[BWillie]

Why is he considered a "giant pussy"?

O that Martin, nm

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Actual articles, even mock drafts, ok.

Random crap like this, no.

Yeah, but that's because you're a fucking idiot.

[htismaqe]

Dorsey & Reid pick. Pretty certain that they both believe that they can get an impace player, or several of them, at WR in the middle rounds. The pro-ready OL players won't be available in the middle rounds, just a lot of good but raw talents who likely won't be ready to start day 1.

Reid and Dorsey both prefer to build from the trenches. They would rather get an All-Pro player along the OL or DL before getting an All-Pro perimeter player.

Which is why we'll always be bridesmaids and never the bride.

[planetdoc]

No wonder the Mecca Internet GMs think they can do better jobs, in many cases they may be right.

I agreed with you up to this point. That guy couldnt even deliver pizzas without screwing things up.

[tecumseh]

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on the player analysis, however, an Oline pick in the first round? Incredulous.

[Direckshun]

Dorsey & Reid pick. Pretty certain that they both believe that they can get an impace player, or several of them, at WR in the middle rounds. The pro-ready OL players won't be available in the middle rounds, just a lot of good but raw talents who likely won't be ready to start day 1.

Reid and Dorsey both prefer to build from the trenches. They would rather get an All-Pro player along the OL or DL before getting an All-Pro perimeter player.

I don't know about that last part, but there's absolutely no doubt Dorsey/Reid value the trenches far more than the average front office.

[Direckshun]

I'm still going to blame you if he does:p

LMAO

Fair enough.

[Direckshun]

Is he even good? Ill admit, aside from him being a giant pussy, I dont know a thing about his football skills

I did a small write-up on him in the Draft forum back at the start of the new year:

OT/G Zack Martin, Notre Dame

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Martin is why you have a draft season in the first place. The Combine, the Senior Bowl, East-West and all that exists for (a.) small school players to get more shoulder-to-shoulder comparisons against bigger school guys, and (b.) the Zack Martins of the world: players with plenty of potential but still face lingering questions about their skillset because of the system they play in.

What you see when you watch Martin play, is a lighter tackle (6'4", 304 lbs) who is a fantastic technician in pass protection and gets really good push in the run game.

His kickslide is fantastic, and he's downright boring to watch in pass protection, as he has his guy pretty much negated 95% of the time, and the remaining 5% of time, he has great recovery time to mitigate whatever pressure he's surrendering. His technique is really, really polished; I've already said that, but it bears repeating. It's almost Joeckel-esque, how polished he is, though he didn't face the slate of passrushers that the SEC tackles have.

His run game is really solid -- he can seal the edge, or plow through a defensive tackle for push. Notre Dame had lots of success running behind him.

Here's why draft season will be very important for him, however. Of the Notre Dame games I watched this year, they don't ask for their linemen to pull or hit the second level very often (almost never, actually), so Martin's athleticism is rarely on display. It seems like Martin is a really good athlete, but it's really hard to say definitively. Also, one of the reasons Martin consistently plowed defensive tackles was because he was almost always double-teaming them with a guard.

You're not going to draft a tackle in the first, or hopefully in the second, unless you fully expect to give them as little help as possible.

So the question then becomes: is it the chicken, or the egg? Does Notre Dame refrain from pulling its tackles because Martin isn't up to it? Or is it a scheme thing? Does Notre Dame demand its tackles double-team with guards when it blocks downhill, or is it a scheme thing?

I'm willing to give Martin the benefit of the doubt right now, because his tape is so outstanding, but the next five months will be a big, big deal for him.

Projection for Martin: My best guess is that Martin is not an exceptional athlete, but is still a very good one for the tackle position. No clue on the run blocking, but he's such a technician that he's got to be fine in that department. Martin does come with some versatility, as he can play guard as well. To me, he looks like an outstanding candidate for a zone-blocking offense. Maybe first round quality, but most likely second round quality. As for power schemes like Reid's that utilize pulls and screens, well... I simply don't know how good of a candidate he'd be for the job.

Projected Chiefs interest @ 23: Marginal at best. Martin has two strikes against him in this regard: he's not quite the body type the Chiefs prefer in their lineman under Reid, and he hasn't really displayed himself as being a second-level blocker due to the team he plays on. As draft season goes on, and Martin proves himself, that could very well change.

Turns out, he's exceptionally athletic. Looked great in the Combine drills.

The Combine did expose his short-ish arms, though, at 32". He's purely a guard at the next level with some tackle versatility.

[Simply Red]

I'm calling it right here and right now -- Aj Jenkins WILL be a Chief!!!!

You're welcome!

[Gonzo]

LMAO


Perfect

:spock:

I take it you'd rather discuss cousin-fucking and dinner recipes?

[bevischief]

:spock:

I take it you'd rather discuss cousin-****ing and dinner recipes?

Well it is he off-season around here and you never know what some half wit will start a thread about on here...

[OldSchool]

Which is why we'll always be bridesmaids and never the bride.

You can't do anything without a good OL and good DL. Ask the Bears, Lions, Cowboys, and Giants in 2013 how that worked out for them. All of them have great perimeter weapons and flaws up front. None of them made the playoffs.

[OldSchool]

I did a small write-up on him in the Draft forum back at the start of the new year:



Turns out, he's exceptionally athletic. Looked great in the Combine drills.

The Combine did expose his short-ish arms, though, at 32". He's purely a guard at the next level with some tackle versatility.

Yup, Reid's new Evan Mathis.