Chiefs guard Geoff Schwartz will not return to KC

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>I’ve said this a few times already but it bears repeating on eve of FA: sources confirm <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Chiefs&amp;src=hash">#Chiefs</a> guard Geoff Schwartz will not return to KC.</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/statuses/443188257514209280">March 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[KC Hawks]

Well...****

[TLO]

Here comes an offensive lineman in the first round.

[Hammock Parties]

This sucks. He's awesome on twitter.

[Discuss Thrower]

All aboard the sub-.500 train.

[-King-]

Oh well. Can't blame them for not being willing to pay starter money to a guy that's only started 26 games in 6 years with most of them being injury fill-ins.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

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[-King-]

All aboard the sub-.500 train.

Yes, because the difference between a winning season and a losing season is a journeyman backup OL.

[KCrockaholic]

Dammit.

[saphojunkie]

Less important than McCluster.

[OldSchool]

http://www.thefinsiders.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Zack-Martin.jpg

Welcome your 1st round pick.

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

People named Geoff take stun guns to petting zoos to fuck with the children.

[Sorter]

People named Geoff take stun guns to petting zoos to fuck with the children.

I've fucking seen it happen.



They're usually larger males, too.

[kcchiefsus]

Another shitty OL in the first round coming up. Meanwhile, our secondary and wide receivers will still suck.

[Fritz88]

No.

[booger]

Austin Howard or Michael oher for RG please

[Mr. Arrowhead]

I understand Dex and Albert being let go, but I dont understand this move

[kcchiefsus]

Austin Howard or Michael oher for RG please

They'll be too expensive.

[booger]

They'll be too expensive.

Howard is a RT or G with so he won't get LT money and Oher is coming off a poor season. But there always is a chance they still get good money. Lots of teams with cap room to spare. Reid drafted Howard but the Jets are pushing hard to resign him

[kc79]

What's the name of the OG Tampa released? Would he be a good fit for Andy's system?

[tecumseh]

Oh well, it was a long shot Chiefs would pay Shwartz. Probably won't grab anybody in the first wave of FA. After the draft when the money settles down. Still, go'head git one o' them Oline boys first round. THEN find some good , cheap backups.

[Titty Meat]

Wether O City wants to admit it this team is on the cusp of rebuilding. 6-10 next year.

[RealSNR]

Schwartz totally Jewed us.

[O.city]

Wether O City wants to admit it this team is on the cusp of rebuilding. 6-10 next year.

Yep, Geoff Schwartz walking is gonna cripple the franchise.

[Mugsy]

We need a second round pick in a bad way.

[SeeingRed]

I hate to say this but as long as he is genuinely ok mentally what about Richie Incognito he could probably be gotten on a fire sale at this point...and hes pretty good

[tecumseh]

Wether O City wants to admit it this team is on the cusp of rebuilding. 6-10 next year.

perpetual process this cusp.

[Rausch]

I hate to say this but as long as he is genuinely ok mentally...

He never has been and clearly is not now...

[Titty Meat]

Yep, Geoff Schwartz walking is gonna cripple the franchise.

Yea letting go of your 3 best o linemen with a fragile QB is a brilliant move. Reid is setting up to draft another o-linemen you know the same strategy that got him FIRED in Philadelphia.

[Messier]

Wether O City wants to admit it this team is on the cusp of rebuilding. 6-10 next year.

ROFL

What is your problem?

[Messier]

Yea letting go of your 3 best o linemen with a fragile QB is a brilliant move. Reid is setting up to draft another o-linemen you know the same strategy that got him FIRED in Philadelphia.

How many first round o-line did he draft?

Oh 2.

[Rausch]

Yea letting go of your 3 best o linemen with a fragile QB is a brilliant move. Reid is setting up to draft another o-linemen you know the same strategy that got him FIRED in Philadelphia.

I thought letting his line go to $#it was what got his QB killed and him fired...

[Titty Meat]

How many first round o-line did he draft?

Oh 2.

Where's Danny Watkins at these days?

[Chief Roundup]

This sucks. It is looking more and more likely that we will spend another pick on OL that would have been nice somewhere else.

[-King-]

Yea letting go of your 3 best o linemen with a fragile QB is a brilliant move. Reid is setting up to draft another o-linemen you know the same strategy that got him FIRED in Philadelphia.

Wut?

Wtf are you talking about?
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[Messier]

Where's Danny Watkins at these days?

Yep bad pick. He was one of the two.

[O.city]

Yea letting go of your 3 best o linemen with a fragile QB is a brilliant move. Reid is setting up to draft another o-linemen you know the same strategy that got him FIRED in Philadelphia.

We have no clue if they're gonna bring in another guard via FA, the draft etc. It's March.

Again, no clue who might improve in year 2 in a system, who might regress, or what will happen.

It's pointless to start the whole "6-10" talk in March.

[saphojunkie]

HE STARTED SEVEN GAMES.

[Messier]

We have no clue if they're gonna bring in another guard via FA, the draft etc. It's March.

Again, no clue who might improve in year 2 in a system, who might regress, or what will happen.

It's pointless to start the whole "6-10" talk in March.

This is CP. Any time is a good time for unwarranted panic.

[Titty Meat]

Yep bad pick. He was one of the two.

3 counting Fisher who's a back up right tackle taken #1 overall. I googled his drafts though most were d linemen and most of them were draft busts.

[Titty Meat]

HE STARTED SEVEN GAMES.

How did the offense play those 7 games?

[Mugsy]

Where's Danny Watkins at these days?

He's a Dolphin.

[Messier]

3 counting Fisher who's a back up right tackle taken #1 overall. I googled his drafts though most were d linemen and most of them were draft busts.

Okay.

You said all those EAGLES picks, but whatever.

[Rausch]

HE STARTED SEVEN GAMES.

But he's LEAVING!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/--DzufoYqBHk/UccQceU9vqI/AAAAAAAAMB0/i2F_4fX0zXA/s1600/end-of-the-world-00-0212-de.jpg

[Messier]

3 counting Fisher who's a back up right tackle taken #1 overall. I googled his drafts though most were d linemen and most of them were draft busts.

So if Reid sucks, then who cares who's on the team, they're gonna fail.

Bad coach=bad team.

[Titty Meat]

I never said Reid sucks but his history of 1st round picks does.

[O.city]

I never said Reid sucks but his history of 1st round picks does.

Good thing Dorsey is running the draft, cause Reid's track record isn't very good.

[ThaVirus]

You gotta love Chiefs fans.

Albert and McCluster leaving? Good riddance! We should look into cutting Flowers and Bowe while we're at it.

But FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DONT LET GEOFF SCHWARTZ GET AWAY.

[BryanBusby]

Well one player it was known this was going to happen when the #1 overall pick was made a year ago and the other player is below mediocre.

[Titty Meat]

Good thing Dorsey is running the draft, cause Reid's track record isn't very good.

Green Bays track record of drafting o linemen in the 1st round is equally as bad. If you think Reid is just a figurehead well then youre a dumbass.

[morphius]

It is a little disconcerting how many of our FA's are leaving. Just figured if they loved it some might stay. (I know, it is about the money, but still)

[Messier]

Letting them go must mean they like Kush.

[DTLB58]

We need a second round pick in a bad way.

We all said that last season and it will get magnified 10000% draft weekend. Don't look for it.

[Rausch]

Letting them go must mean they like Kush.

Because he plays LT or G?...

[Messier]

Because he plays LT or G?...

No but Hudson can and did.

[TEX]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>I’ve said this a few times already but it bears repeating on eve of FA: sources confirm <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Chiefs&amp;src=hash">#Chiefs</a> guard Geoff Schwartz will not return to KC.</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/statuses/443188257514209280">March 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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This one is foolish on the Chiefs part.

[Red Dawg]

We better sign a guard. If we take one with the 23RD I WILL BE PISSSESSSSSSSD!

[TEX]

It is a little disconcerting how many of our FA's are leaving. Just figured if they loved it some might stay. (I know, it is about the money, but still)

It ALWAYS about the $$$. It looks like it could be like all Chiefs seasons after making the playoffs...

[Rausch]

No but Hudson can and did.

Not well and not better than C.

I loved the Hudson pick and I like his talent but he's best suited at C.

He's perfect at C and undersized for a NFL G. It's not just Pioli that thought this and moved him - it's a universal outlook on him as a prospect. That said an athletic guy like him could play well in a ZB scheme but he's not the prototypical G size.

[Messier]

Not well and not better than C.

I loved the Hudson pick and I like his talent but he's best suited at C.

He's perfect at C and undersized for a NFL G. It's not just Pioli that thought this and moved him - it's a universal outlook on him as a prospect. That said an athletic guy like him could play well in a ZB scheme but he's not the prototypical G size.

Just spitballin'

I just don't think they'll now spend the rest of the offseason replacing what they just lost. They'll need someone, FA wise, but really hoping their plan isn't 1st round to chase what they lost.

[Rausch]

Just spitballin'

I just don't think they'll now spend the rest of the offseason replacing what they just lost.

I fucking hope they do...

[Messier]

I ****ing hope they do...

No. Hope they think they have answers on the team, or can replace the losses without too much problem, but not creating a need you didn't have.

[htismaqe]

Letting them go must mean they like Kush.

Or they're targeting linemen in the draft.

[O.city]

Green Bays track record of drafting o linemen in the 1st round is equally as bad. If you think Reid is just a figurehead well then youre a dumbass.

Figurehead? I'd imagine he has some say in each pick, but he's not running the draft.

[ILChief]

Rishaw Johnson FTW

[Messier]

Or they're targeting linemen in the draft.

Could be. I doubt it.

[O.city]

You mean you hope not?

[Strongside]

Bitch, that's a mistake.

[Messier]

You mean you hope not?

That too.

[Rausch]

No. Hope they think they have answers on the team, or can replace the losses without too much problem, but not creating a need you didn't have.

We only have 1 G on the roster. From FA or the draft we'll have to add a number of bodies there.

I think we could be ok at LT. Not great, but passable...

[booger]

Rishaw Johnson FTW

He got some looks playing G in the goaline when they shifted Schwartz to an extra TD. Then of course the SD game. He got some good snaps in and is a good looking prospect. Hope he develops at least for depth. Anything above that will be a bonus

[Messier]

I don't care. I want the player to be good. That's what I want.

[Chief Roundup]

You gotta love Chiefs fans.

Albert and McCluster leaving? Good riddance! We should look into cutting Flowers and Bowe while we're at it.

But FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DONT LET GEOFF SCHWARTZ GET AWAY.

Albert wanted 10 mil a year. We should not have overpaid and didn't, therefore good move. McCluster is going to get between 4 and 5 mil a year. We should not overpay for McCluster either. Good Move.

Schwartz, not saying he can't be replaced, isn't just a Guard. He was also the backup RT. That swing ability is important when our only OTs are Fisher and Stephenson. Now with Asamoah, and Schwartz gone we need a starter and depth at guard. Albert leaving means we have a need for depth at LT no matter who starts Stephenson or Fisher.

[Eleazar]

That sucks. I really like him.

[htismaqe]

You mean you hope not?

Exactly.

Both Dorsey and Reid have been involved in drafting many, MANY offensive linemen over the years. That and defensive linemen.

We probably should get used to it.

[Rausch]

He got some looks playing G in the goaline when they shifted Schwartz to an extra TD. Then of course the SD game. He got some good snaps in and is a good looking prospect. Hope he develops at least for depth. Anything above that will be a bonus

Looks like solid depth - do not want starting...

[booger]

We only have 1 G on the roster. From FA or the draft we'll have to add a number of bodies there.

I think we could be ok at LT. Not great, but passable...

not disagreeing at all just pointing out they haven't updated the roster at kcchiefs.com except for maybe Dressler.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/roster?d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&team=KC&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=persons.primary_Position.id.position_Id

that link has everyone they have under contract including the future fa's they signed....the ps and street fa's. It doesn't have UFA, RFA, or ERFA's listed though. Just was looking today to see who all they added as scrubs and figured i would pass it along. Seems up to date

[booger]

Looks like solid depth - do not want starting...

Yep. Not unless he wins it in competition with a low key FA signing like Schwartz was last year. Or whoever he would compete with for that matter. He was at Ole Miss, got in trouble and transfered to where Kush went to school. Then undrafted. Long arms and big bear paws so he's a prospect but hasn't proved anything worthy of starting yet

[Iowanian]

I thought he did an admirable job when put in games last year...........but there is a damn reason he's not sticking with teams he is on. The Chiefs aren't the first team that has let him move on.

[O.city]

Asamoah to falcons for 4.5 mil per year or talent that's what twitter says

[FloridaMan88]

Damn Schwartz is the one free agent I really didn't want the Chiefs to lose this offseason.

[In58men]

Posted 1 minute ago.


@nfldraftscout: Can confirm through sources that Geoff Schwartz will not be back with the #Chiefs. Also, won't be returning to #Vikings


Brand new information.

[BlackHelicopters]

Good luck Geoff

[htismaqe]

The salaries being handed out reflect the increased cap ceiling. He has a chance to really get paid. Can't blame him for wanting to take advantage.

[htismaqe]

We better start working with guys like Justin Houston NOW. This market is gonna piss some guys off...

[The Franchise]

God damnt...

[TEX]

Asamoah to falcons for 4.5 mil per year or talent that's what twitter says

ROFL Pioli

[TEX]

Damn Schwartz is the one free agent I really didn't want the Chiefs to lose this offseason.

Feel the same way. I also wanted to keep Dex.

[Jimmya]

Pioli on fire!

[TEX]

I thought he did an admirable job when put in games last year...........but there is a damn reason he's not sticking with teams he is on. The Chiefs aren't the first team that has let him move on.

Every time he's come in for the starter, Schwartz has ended up playing better than the guy he replaced. I think the reason why he hasn't stuck could be that the teams had more money tied up in the starter.He also got hurt one year. Regardless, he's now played his way into a starter's contract. There's a reason for that too and it's because he's good.

[OldSchool]

I think that more than ever now, we're going to have to go OL in the 1st again, lol. A starting quality OL player as a rookie won't be available in the 3rd round with all of these OL needy teams out there likely to reach for them in the 2nd-3rd, certainly not any potential swing guys like Bitonio, Thomas, Turner, etc.

[KCUnited]

Ah, the signs of spring in KC. Birds chirping in the morn, time springing forward, Rock Fest ticket pre-sale, talk of spending our first on a lineman...

[OldSchool]

Ah, the signs of spring in KC. Birds chirping in the morn, time springing forward, Rock Fest ticket pre-sale, talk of spending our first on a lineman...

Considering what guys like Asamoah and Schwartz are reportedly signing for, I don't think a "cheap vet starter" will be out there.

[RunKC]

Hats off to Dorsey. Literally every one of our major FA's are getting vastly overpaid and Dorsey isn't doing it.
No way would I overpay for any of those guys. Reports are that Schwartz is going to get more than Asamoah, who got $4.5 million a year.
Ridiculous.

Dorsey has proven he can get the same quality of player for far less.

[The Franchise]

Hats off to Dorsey. Literally every one of our major FA's are getting vastly overpaid and Dorsey isn't doing it.
No way would I overpay for any of those guys. Reports are that Schwartz is going to get more than Asamoah, who got $4.5 million a year.
Ridiculous.

Dorsey has proven he can get the same quality of player for far less.

Ridiculous that starters get paid what they're supposed to. Let's keep bringing in guys on 1 year deals and then replacing them every year.

If you find a guy who is a starter....you pay him like a fucking starter. It's that simple.

[TEX]

Ridiculous that starters get paid what they're supposed to. Let's keep bringing in guys on 1 year deals and then replacing them every year.

If you find a guy who is a starter....you pay him like a ****ing starter. It's that simple.

I totally agree. Especially if you find one who played his way into that role. I'd have no problem paying and keeping Schwartz. I would have a problem paying a guy like Asamoah. You need to be able to detect what type of player you're paying, but you definitely need to pay and keep the good ones and balance that with letting the guys go who are not ascending and / or in your view will never reach their potential.

[RunKC]

Ridiculous that starters get paid what they're supposed to. Let's keep bringing in guys on 1 year deals and then replacing them every year.

If you find a guy who is a starter....you pay him like a fucking starter. It's that simple.

Who are you referring to? Albert? Bc his absence was not noticeable at all last year. We were fine without him.
McCluster? Who did next to nothing on offense?
Schwartz? You're going to give half of our cap space to a fucking journeyman guard who was never a regular starter?

C'mon man. People had this argument when this happened with Eric Winston last year. I'm inclined to give Dorsey a chance after what he did last year, which was the best player evaluation this organization has seen in over a decade.

Chill the fuck out and let's see who he replaces them with first.

[The Franchise]

Who are you referring to? Albert? Bc his absence was not noticeable at all last year. We were fine without him.
McCluster? Who did next to nothing on offense?
Schwartz? You're going to give half of our cap space to a fucking journeyman guard who was never a regular starter?

C'mon man. People had this argument when this happened with Eric Winston last year. I'm inclined to give Dorsey a chance after what he did last year, which was the best player evaluation this organization has see. In over a decade.

Albert was never staying. McCluster...I'm fine with him leaving. And don't give me this half our cap space to a fucking journeyman OG bullshit. People want to throw up this "he never stuck with a team" garbage as the reason that we shouldn't sign him. He took over for Asamoah and the line got instantly better. Everyone is different and not everyone instantly gets a starting job for certain reasons. Just like there are reasons why players go undrafted and then light shit up when they get in the NFL. Schwartz proved he was a starter and now he's going to get paid like one. It should have been by us.

[jd1020]

Albert was never staying. McCluster...I'm fine with him leaving. And don't give me this half our cap space to a ****ing journeyman OG bullshit. People want to throw up this "he never stuck with a team" garbage as the reason that we shouldn't sign him. He took over for Asamoah and the line got instantly better. Everyone is different and not everyone instantly gets a starting job for certain reasons. Just like there are reasons why players go undrafted and then light shit up when they get in the NFL. Schwartz proved he was a starter and now he's going to get paid like one. It should have been by us.

But who would the Chiefs draft in round 1 if they didn't have a hole on the OL to fill?

[kcchiefsus]

Who are you referring to? Albert? Bc his absence was not noticeable at all last year. We were fine without him.
McCluster? Who did next to nothing on offense?
Schwartz? You're going to give half of our cap space to a ****ing journeyman guard who was never a regular starter?

C'mon man. People had this argument when this happened with Eric Winston last year. I'm inclined to give Dorsey a chance after what he did last year, which was the best player evaluation this organization has seen in over a decade.

Chill the **** out and let's see who he replaces them with first.

The problem is now we're put into a situation to where we have no choice but to spend our first round pick on a shitty fucking guard. Meanwhile, Donnie Avery and Dwayne Bowe keep not getting open and/or dropping passes and whatever piece of shit journeyman we sign at free safety will likely fail to be a huge upgrade over Kendrick Lewis.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see this team re-sign Kendrick Lewis.

[kcchiefsus]

But who would the Chiefs draft in round 1 if they didn't have a hole on the OL to fill?

wide receiver, cornerback, safety, tight end...

We have numerous other holes and John Dorsey decided adding offensive line to the list was a good idea.

[OldSchool]

But who would the Chiefs draft in round 1 if they didn't have a hole on the OL to fill?

Zach Martin.:hmmm:

[The Franchise]

But who would the Chiefs draft in round 1 if they didn't have a hole on the OL to fill?

D-line man. How long have you been around?

[mcaj22]

Albert was never staying. McCluster...I'm fine with him leaving. And don't give me this half our cap space to a ****ing journeyman OG bullshit. People want to throw up this "he never stuck with a team" garbage as the reason that we shouldn't sign him. He took over for Asamoah and the line got instantly better. Everyone is different and not everyone instantly gets a starting job for certain reasons. Just like there are reasons why players go undrafted and then light shit up when they get in the NFL. Schwartz proved he was a starter and now he's going to get paid like one. It should have been by us.

This happened a few years ago with Wade Smith. He was a FA, everyone knew he was a decent starter and he walked to Houston. Rest is history. Schwartz is kind of similar to Wade, journeyman, play multiple positions, etc

[htismaqe]

I can't wait until the Chiefs take a guard in the 1st.

[The Franchise]

This happened a few years ago with Wade Smith. He was a FA, everyone knew he was a decent starter and he walked to Houston. Rest is history. Schwartz is kind of similar to Wade, journeyman, play multiple positions, etc

What bugs me the most is that you can't even play it off as them getting rid of a Pioli guy. Albert and Asamoah....I can understand. Maybe you don't think they fit what you're trying to do.....or maybe you just want them gone. But you fucking signed him last year on a 1 year deal....and then he performed for you. Logical thing to do? Sign him. Nope....let's let him go. We now have 1 starting OG on this roster unless you plan on moving Hudson and then starting Kush at C. But guess what....Hudson's contract is up after next season.

[OldSchool]

What bugs me the most is that you can't even play it off as them getting rid of a Pioli guy. Albert and Asamoah....I can understand. Maybe you don't think they fit what you're trying to do.....or maybe you just want them gone. But you ****ing signed him last year on a 1 year deal....and then he performed for you. Logical thing to do? Sign him. Nope....let's let him go. We now have 1 starting OG on this roster unless you plan on moving Hudson and then starting Kush at C. But guess what....Hudson's contract is up after next season.

Came down to a matter of money. Schwartz has never made a lot of money anywhere and has hopped around the league on short-term contracts. We weren't going to pay him as much as the next guy so I don't blame him for leaving. I'm sure that Dorsey and Reid wanted him back, just not at the price that others were willing and, more importantly, able to pay for.

[htismaqe]

Zach Martin.:hmmm:

:holdman:

[mcaj22]

What bugs me the most is that you can't even play it off as them getting rid of a Pioli guy. Albert and Asamoah....I can understand. Maybe you don't think they fit what you're trying to do.....or maybe you just want them gone. But you ****ing signed him last year on a 1 year deal....and then he performed for you. Logical thing to do? Sign him. Nope....let's let him go. We now have 1 starting OG on this roster unless you plan on moving Hudson and then starting Kush at C. But guess what....Hudson's contract is up after next season.

Yea I dont understand the 1 year stop gap/band aid for the sake of a bigger hole in the offseason.

And like you said next offseason they are going to be in a worse position and will have to take a look at cutting some of the veterans with those cap eating contracts.

[The Franchise]

:holdman:

The thought of it makes me want to vomit.

[kcchiefsus]

I'd like to know what their plan is on the OL. We need at least 1 new starter and we have no depth to speak of. Even worse, the starters we still have are all average at best or borderline suck. This will probably be one of the league's worst OL next season.

[The Franchise]

As it is right now, without the draft, the only thing they can really do is roll....

Stephenson - Allen - Kush - Hudson - Fisher.

Fisher and Stephenson are dependent based on TC but the intelligence they're showing right now means that Fisher has already been handed the LT job.

[WhawhaWhat]

I'd like to know what their plan is on the OL. We need at least 1 new starter and we have no depth to speak of. Even worse, the starters we still have are all average at best or borderline suck. This will probably be one of the league's worst OL next season.

6 WRs, 3 OL. 1 step drop and throw.

[mcaj22]

we will actually have three new full time starters, our bookends will be their first full season starting at LT and RT and not just doing spot duty. And a new RG (please not a first round pick). The only constants are Jeff Allen and Rodney Hudson

doesnt sound so hot on paper when Jeff Allen is your most tenured veteran on your oline lol

[RunKC]

Schwartz isn't getting starting money. He's getting more than that. He's going to get way more money than he's worth.


Just my opinion, but I think Dorsey is very comfortable with Kush taking over and starting. He looked very good in the SD game.

[htismaqe]

The thought of it makes me want to vomit.

Better stock up on Dramamine.

[The Franchise]

Schwartz isn't getting starting money. He's getting more than that. He's going to get way more money than he's worth.


Just my opinion, but I think Dorsey is very comfortable with Kush taking over and starting. He looked very good in the SD game.

He's getting starting money in 2014. The cap increased.....and it will keep increasing. Thinking that you can away with paying starting money from 2010 in 2015 isn't going to win you games.

[RunKC]

we will actually have three new full time starters, our bookends will be their first full season starting at LT and RT and not just doing spot duty. And a new RG (please not a first round pick). The only constants are Jeff Allen and Rodney Hudson

doesnt sound so hot on paper when Jeff Allen is your most tenured veteran on your oline lol

LT-Fisher
LG-Allen
C-Hudson
RG-Kush
RT-Stephenson

I would not be surprised to see this going into next year.

[BigMeatballDave]

As it is right now, without the draft, the only thing they can really do is roll....

Stephenson - Allen - Kush - Hudson - Fisher.

Fisher and Stephenson are dependent based on TC but the intelligence they're showing right now means that Fisher has already been handed the LT job.

Fisher was drafted to play LT.

Why do most here seem to struggle with this?

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

As it is right now, without the draft, the only thing they can really do is roll....

Stephenson - Allen - Kush - Hudson - Fisher.

Fisher and Stephenson are dependent based on TC but the intelligence they're showing right now means that Fisher has already been handed the LT job.

Poor Alex

[htismaqe]

we will actually have three new full time starters, our bookends will be their first full season starting at LT and RT and not just doing spot duty. And a new RG (please not a first round pick). The only constants are Jeff Allen and Rodney Hudson

doesnt sound so hot on paper when Jeff Allen is your most tenured veteran on your oline lol

And if they move Hudson and start Kush, it will be even worse.

If they do that, they're basically making next year a throw away year. It makes no sense to go out and spend so much on Alex Smith and then rebuild the entire line a year later.

[htismaqe]

Fisher was drafted to play LT.

Why do most here seem to struggle with this?

He has yet to prove he can manage the RT spot. So by all means, just give him the starting LT job because hell, that's what he was drafted to be.

ROFL

[htismaqe]

LT-Fisher
LG-Allen
C-Hudson
RG-Kush
RT-Stephenson

I would not be surprised to see this going into next year.

At least there's SOME continuity there.

[The Franchise]

LT-Fisher
LG-Allen
C-Hudson
RG-Kush
RT-Stephenson

I would not be surprised to see this going into next year.

Sweet....we can all start looking at 1st round Centers for next year.

[mcaj22]

a lot of people on here thought the Chiefs were in their own little bubble, that none of these shit teams with lesser talent and tons of cap space were watching and we could pull the wool over their eyes and keep a guy like Geoff Schwartz on a bargin because hey, thats what we got him for so why not.

The problem is everybody in the NFL was watching and now even our average talent is about to get overpaid

the nature of the beast from the business side

[DTLB58]

@MikeSilver: Right now a battle is shaping up between the Giants and Rams for Geoff Schwartz's (non-bargain) services. Will someone else get in?

[htismaqe]

a lot of people on here thought the Chiefs were in their own little bubble, that none of these shit teams with lesser talent and tons of cap space were watching and we could pull the wool over their eyes and keep a guy like Geoff Schwartz on a bargin because hey, thats what we got him for so why not.

The problem is everybody in the NFL was watching and now even our average talent is about to get overpaid

the nature of the beast from the business side

I said it yesterday.

The cap went up.

Salaries went up.

This shouldn't be a big shock.

[The Franchise]

I said it yesterday.

The cap went up.

Salaries went up.

This shouldn't be a big shock.

The Chiefs are standing around wondering why players aren't signing for what they did in 2010.

[mcaj22]

The Chiefs are standing around wondering why players aren't signing for what they did in 2010.

this will pretty much sum up FA

[O.city]

Gotta draft and develop, constantly. Guys like Catapano, Kush, Commings are gonna have to start being good players. You have to draft well and have the young cheap guys play like stars these days.

[The Franchise]

This is going to prove if Dorsey and Reid know what they're doing when it comes to the players that they drafted. It's just to bad that he hired a DC who refuses to use fucking depth.

[kcchiefsus]

Can't have another shitty draft like last year. Last years draft really hurts.

[O.city]

Yep.

We do have a great coaching staff, (maybe not at DC) so hopefully player development takes an uptick.

[mcaj22]

This is going to prove if Dorsey and Reid know what they're doing when it comes to the players that they drafted. It's just to bad that he hired a DC who refuses to use ****ing depth.

the offense doesnt have to worry about that because the depth actually get gifted the starting jobs with NO competition behind any of the positions lol

[Chiefnj2]

After all these years fans still buy into the $ excuse. The reported contracts are almost never what they seem. They almost always include a huge sum at the end that will never be paid.

[RunKC]

Much of the lines success next year will depend on Eric Fisher.

It's hard to judge the OL though. Allen, Hudson and Stephenson had to adjust to new blocking scheme and get stronger

[RunKC]

@ArrowheadPride: Said this last night, but you pay Andy Reid top dollar so that his staff develops existing players better than others.

This

[htismaqe]

@ArrowheadPride: Said this last night, but you pay Andy Reid top dollar so that his staff develops existing players better than others.

This

What existing players? They're letting them all go. ROFL

[O.city]

It's pretty imperative that Fisher keep his ass out of the tub and actually produce next year.

We really need him and Stephenson to become 8 year bookend tackles

[O.city]

Commings is gonna have to develop, along with Kush, Johnson at LB with DJ, Catapano, etc.

[RunKC]

What existing players? They're letting them all go. ROFL

Cooper, Fisher, Kush, Jenkins etc

[htismaqe]

Commings is gonna have to develop, along with Kush, Johnson at LB with DJ, Catapano, etc.

So they're rebuilding.

Why the FUCK did they spend two 2nds on Alex Smith again?

[mcaj22]

why do people think a guy like Sanders Commings will be a savior? is it because you see something in him or more false hope cause we got no other options?

I'm geniunely curious because that seems like a lot riding on a guy that hasnt shown much. I cheer for Kelce too but I know he at least still has other TEs at his position. A guy like Sanders Commings gets the car keys why? He was what a 5th rounder?

[htismaqe]

Cooper, Fisher, Kush, Jenkins etc

Hali, Charles, Bowe, Flowers, Smith...

Yeah, a youth movement at this point in time is just fucking dumb.

[The Franchise]

Oh it's more than that.....they have to develop players that they didn't draft.

Bailey, Powe, Fisher, Stephenson, Commings, Kush, Jenkins, Kelce, N. Johnson, Rishaw Johnson, Hemmingway, Bray and Davis.

[The Franchise]

Hali, Charles, Bowe, Flowers, Smith...

Yeah, a youth movement at this point in time is just fucking dumb.

Say goodbye to Flowers and Hali after this season.

[kcchiefsus]

So they're rebuilding.

Why the **** did they spend two 2nds on Alex Smith again?

Or go on a free agent spending spree with Mike DeVito, Sean Smith, Donnie Avery, etc.

[Snapplez]

So they're rebuilding.

Why the **** did they spend two 2nds on Alex Smith again?

Rule 1: Don't ever fuckin draft a quarterback

[htismaqe]

Say goodbye to Flowers and Hali after this season.

Just think, this could be just like Herm.

Playoffs the first year and then fall off the face of the Earth...

[htismaqe]

Or go on a free agent spending spree with Mike DeVito, Sean Smith, Donnie Avery, etc.

Yep.

It's pure Jekyll and Hyde.

[saphojunkie]

So they're rebuilding.

Why the **** did they spend two 2nds on Alex Smith again?

OH NOES THEY'RE LETTING MEDIOCRE PLAYERS LEAVE HOW WILL WE EVER BE MEDIOCRE AGAIN?

[Messier]

It is the way GB has done things. Not trying to make a big splash in FA. And replacing their own more expensive FAs with younger, in house, players.

[The Franchise]

OH NOES THEY'RE LETTING MEDIOCRE PLAYERS LEAVE HOW WILL WE EVER BE MEDIOCRE AGAIN?

Just remember that when Alex Smith dies because of this offensive line.

[mcaj22]

GB can do that because Aaron Rodgers. Without him, as you saw when he got hurt, they cant do that. We dont have an Aaron Rodgers on this team

[philfree]

I can't believe they let Schwartz go. We're Doooooooooooooooomed!

[Sure-Oz]

Guards can be replaced

[Messier]

Just remember that when Alex Smith dies because of this offensive line.

We're basically going with the o-line that played the SD game. That's if they don't add anyone.

[TEX]

GB can do that because Aaron Rodgers. Without him, as you saw when he got hurt, they cant do that. We dont have an Aaron Rodgers on this team

Exactly.

[The Franchise]

We're basically going with the o-line that played the SD game. That's if they don't add anyone.

Because, as everyone knows, that Charger defense was fucking awesome last year. :rolleyes:

[htismaqe]

OH NOES THEY'RE LETTING MEDIOCRE PLAYERS LEAVE HOW WILL WE EVER BE MEDIOCRE AGAIN?

ROFL

[RunKC]

So they're rebuilding.

Why the FUCK did they spend two 2nds on Alex Smith again?

Just bc these players are young doesn't mean they suck. Marcus Cooper won us games last year

[htismaqe]

Guards can be replaced

In the first round of the draft.

[mcaj22]

SD game where the 5 olineman had to key on blocking one good player and then a bunch of scabs

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Just remember that when Alex Smith dies because of this offensive line.

It's March 11 the starting OLine when the season starts will be different.

[The Franchise]

It's March 11 the starting OLine when the season starts will be different.

For his sake....I fucking hope so.

[TEX]

We're basically going with the o-line that played the SD game. That's if they don't add anyone.

Kinda like the NFL combine where player X shines and they throw out his body of work in favor of outstanding combine numbers ...:hmmm:

[htismaqe]

Just bc these players are young doesn't mean they suck. Marcus Cooper won us games last year

Marcus Cooper also lost us games last year.

Young guys need to be developed. If you're developing them ON THE FIELD, you're potentially sacrificing wins now for wins in the future.

There are guys on this team that have an exceedingly short future. The purposefully signed guys last year (Alex Smith) that don't have a long window.

I understand the approach. Totally understand it.

But if you compare it to last year, where they did the EXACT opposite, it makes no sense. It appears to be very reactive and not very proactive.

[OldSchool]

Gotta draft and develop, constantly. Guys like Catapano, Kush, Commings are gonna have to start being good players. You have to draft well and have the young cheap guys play like stars these days.

You forgot the other important part. Guys like DJ, Hali, Poe, Houston, Flowers, etc gotta stop sucking when the game really matters. When it came down to it, Smith stepped up, the defense went to sleep.

[htismaqe]

You forgot the other important part. Guys like DJ, Hali, Poe, Houston, Flowers, etc gotta stop sucking when the game really matters.

ROFL

[Dunerdr]

Man the pannic around here right now is just funny. Two meh guards leave, a midget walks, and no news on two meh safety's and a two down ilb. Everyone loose their shit! Anyone who didn't see this coming is a ****tard. Dorsey does what Dorsey knows. Plain and simple. Do you really think our honchos really want to keep every pioli pick? **** no. I'm sure they'd like to keep either guard and DMC. But what are they really worth? Not what they're getting paid. Now we'll get some comp picks. Draft 10 ****ing guys that are what they want and fit what we're doing. Then profit.

[RunKC]

Marcus Cooper also lost us games last year.

Young guys need to be developed. If you're developing them ON THE FIELD, you're potentially sacrificing wins now for wins in the future.

There are guys on this team that have an exceedingly short future. The purposefully signed guys last year (Alex Smith) that don't have a long window.

I understand the approach. Totally understand it.

But if you compare it to last year, where they did the EXACT opposite, it makes no sense. It appears to be very reactive and not very proactive.

We are developing young guys while using veterans as the focal point.

I'm glad we're not selling our souls like the Broncos. That team is fucked when Manning retires. Their drafting has been terrible.

[htismaqe]

We are developing young guys while using veterans as the focal point.

I'm glad we're not selling our souls like the Broncos. That team is fucked when Elway retires. Their drafting has been terrible.

If you look at what they did last year and what it appears they are doing this year (and I'll be the first to admit it's WAY EARLY) you can't honestly say you have a clue what they're going to do.

There's no consistency.

[RunKC]

As much as you guys don't believe it, a youth movement is needed. Tamba and DJ are almost done, Flowers is always hurt and wants $$$ to play the fucking slot.
Dorsey has no fucking choice people.

[OldSchool]

As much as you guys don't believe it, a youth movement is needed. Tamba and DJ are almost done, Flowers is always hurt and wants $$$ to play the ****ing slot.
Dorsey has no ****ing choice people.

Flowers and Hali are both gone next year.

[mcaj22]

As much as you guys don't believe it, a youth movement is needed. Tamba and DJ are almost done, Flowers is always hurt and wants $$$ to play the ****ing slot.
Dorsey has no ****ing choice people.

that makes sense and all but if they extend 30 year old Alex Smith to a big contract then it contradicts it entirely

[htismaqe]

As much as you guys don't believe it, a youth movement is needed. Tamba and DJ are almost done, Flowers is always hurt and wants $$$ to play the fucking slot.
Dorsey has no fucking choice people.

Who here doesn't believe it?

You're missing the point.

If the team is now recognizing this team needs to be rebuilt, especially from the inside out, why give a big contract to Bowe? Why give up two 2nds for Alex Smith, who is essentially now a transitional QB rather than your franchise?

The biggest folly of the Herm years was that they tried to patch it together in year 1 and THEN stripped it down to rebuild.

If Dorsey and Reid thought this team needed to be rebuilt, they should have started LAST YEAR.

[saphojunkie]

that makes sense and all but if they extend 30 year old Alex Smith to a big contract then it contradicts it entirely

QB has a very different shelf life than cornerback.

[htismaqe]

that makes sense and all but if they extend 30 year old Alex Smith to a big contract then it contradicts it entirely

Exactly.

[htismaqe]

QB has a very different shelf life than cornerback.

So you're expecting to get another how many years out of Smith?

Certainly, QBs last longer than some other positions. But 38-year old QBs performing at a high level isn't the norm...

[RunKC]

If you look at what they did last year and what it appears they are doing this year (and I'll be the first to admit it's WAY EARLY) you can't honestly say you have a clue what they're going to do.

There's no consistency.

I know exactly what they are doing. Relying on veterans to do all the work. Von is a dumbass who is not what he was, Chris Harris fucked his knee up, they are losing Decker.

They're going all out with veterans without bringing in quality young players to take over and it's going to bite them in the ass soon

[mcaj22]

QB has a very different shelf life than cornerback.

you cant have a youth movement/rebuild with a 30 year old QB that gets say an 80 million extension


thats just silly

[htismaqe]

I know exactly what they are doing. Relying on veterans to do all the work. Von is a dumbass who is not what he was, Chris Harris fucked his knee up, they are losing Decker.

They're going all out with veterans without bringing in quality young players to take over and it's going to bite them in the ass soon

I'm not talking about the Broncos.

[kcchiefsus]

As much as you guys don't believe it, a youth movement is needed. Tamba and DJ are almost done, Flowers is always hurt and wants $$$ to play the ****ing slot.
Dorsey has no ****ing choice people.

If that's the case then why trade two fucking 2nd's when those would have been really useful for a youth movement?

It's almost a guarantee I'm sure that Alex Smith will be signed to an extension. So with this youth movement Alex Smith will probably be 33 or 34 by the time the rest of the roster is built up and competitive.

There is no god damned consistency with what Dorsey is doing. If you're going for a youth movement, then go all out and do a youth movement. But don't splurge in FA and trade picks for an average QB when you could be building the team up.

[The Franchise]

I can see what Dorsey is doing/has done....but it doesn't fucking mean that I have to be happy about it. And it doesn't guarantee that it's going to fucking work.

[mcaj22]

Alex Smith was in a youth movement for like 7 years in SF and got to enjoy the built roster for basically one and a half seasons. Hes not doing that bullshit again

[-King-]

Just remember that when Alex Smith dies because of this offensive line.

I'll be shocked if Schwartz is any better than average next semester.
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[htismaqe]

Alex Smith was in a youth movement for like 7 in SF and got to enjoy the built roster for basically one and a half seasons. Hes not doing that bullshit again

I feel sorry for Alex Smith if they turn over the entire line.

[The Franchise]

I'll be shocked if Schwartz is any better than average next semester.
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I'll be shocked if he isn't.

[TEX]

I'll be shocked if Schwartz is any better than average next semester.
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ROFL Why would you say that? Do you just post stuff without knowing anything on the subject? Never mind...

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

If the SOC wants to lay claim to running off Pioli. Then getting Alex Smith has to be laid at their feet as well. Hunt needed to win soon or risk losing the fan base.

[OldSchool]

Alex Smith was in a youth movement for 8 years in SF and got to enjoy the built roster for basically one and a half seasons. Hes not doing that bullshit again

Difference is, he has a good coaching staff to start with this time and, if he plays without reservations like he did against the Colts and for much of the second half of the season, he has shown the ability to elevate the play of those around him as well. All he needs is a good defense and for the overpaid defensive stars to play to the level of their damn pay checks when it matters.

[htismaqe]

I'll be shocked if Schwartz is any better than average next semester.
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Why does it matter?

The point is that the line is losing considerable continuity. That's never a good thing. Never.

[The Franchise]

Why does it matter?

The point is that the line is losing considerable continuity. That's never a good thing. Never.

Especially going into a year when we have a tough ass schedule.

[htismaqe]

Difference is, he has a good coaching staff to start with this time and, if he plays without reservations like he did against the Colts and for much of the second half of the season, he has shown the ability to elevate the play of those around him as well.

If the offensive line can't protect him, we know what happens.

for the overpaid defensive stars to play to the level of their damn pay checks when it matters.

Pure BlackBob ridiculousness. Just plain dumb.

[mcaj22]

Difference is, he has a good coaching staff to start with this time and, if he plays without reservations like he did against the Colts and for much of the second half of the season, he has shown the ability to elevate the play of those around him as well. All he needs is a good defense and for the overpaid defensive stars to play to the level of their damn pay checks when it matters.

Alex Smiths play with the current roster is not an argument for Alex Smith with a youth movement

because get this, the current roster has win now players in their prime. Imagine that.

[Dunerdr]

So because there's no rumors of fa talks we assume this is a complete rebuild from now on?

[-King-]

Why does it matter?

The point is that the line is losing considerable continuity. That's never a good thing. Never.
Losing 7 games of continuity? Really? If we can't get a guard to play as good as or better than Schwartz, we have a bigger problem. He's started 26 games in 6 years for a reason.
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[htismaqe]

So because there's no rumors of fa talks we assume this is a complete rebuild from now on?

What else can we do? We can only discuss what we know and then speculate.

Should we just not talk about it?

Rainbows and unicorns! Chiefs rule!

[saphojunkie]

So you're expecting to get another how many years out of Smith?

Certainly, QBs last longer than some other positions. But 38-year old QBs performing at a high level isn't the norm...

I would expect 5-6 years of Smith playing at this level, barring injury. And that's about as long of a contract as he should get.

Realistically, I think you're looking at a 6 year deal worth around 70 million, and we will not see that through.

I would like to him signed through 2019 and draft his replacement in the first round sooner rather than later.

I really do think that having a stable, capable quarterback was vital to other players' development as well. I have no idea how the hell you evaluate OL or WR or TE or RB when you have Brady Quinn and Tyler Palko slugging it out.

We needed someone that the team could look at and say "I'm not just taking a pounding for nothing. We can actually win a game." Alex Smith was a very stabilizing presence for a team that had really been in crisis for a few years. Hopefully, that continues, but Dorsey realizes that he will have to re-up his investment at QB in the form of an early round draft pick.

I mean, if Reid can replicate finding Foles in the second round, sitting him for a year to learn, and then having a guy ready to take over... I'm happy as shit.

[htismaqe]

Losing 7 games of continuity? Really? If we can't get a guard to play as good as or better than Schwartz, we have a bigger problem. He's started 26 games in 6 years for a reason.
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It's not just about Schwartz.

The line finally started to gel towards the end of the season.

Now we're looking at two new tackles, a new guard, potentially a new center.

You can't have that much turnover and expect to succeed, at least not right away.

[OldSchool]

Paying top 5 money to a slot corner that can't even adequately cover #1 WRs and had all of 7 PDefs last season.:clap: Only the Chiefs.

[htismaqe]

but Dorsey realizes that he will have to re-up his investment at QB in the form of an early round draft pick.

You hope he does.

[mcaj22]

yea Reids not finding another Foles

[saphojunkie]

You hope he does.

Yeah, I was trying to say that. "Hopefully... Dorsey realizes..."

[The Franchise]

They'd better fucking sign Houston before the beginning of next year. Otherwise say goodbye because they'll let themselves get outbid.

[htismaqe]

yea Reids not finding another Foles

Reid isn't finding anybody. Dorsey is running the draft.

[OldSchool]

They'd better ****ing sign Houston before the beginning of next year. Otherwise say goodbye because they'll let themselves get outbid.

They would probably release Hali and tag Houston if it came down to it.

[htismaqe]

They would probably release Hali and tag Houston if it came down to it.

Well if that's the case, I'm glad they locked up Frank Zombo.

[DaWolf]

They'd better ****ing sign Houston before the beginning of next year. Otherwise say goodbye because they'll let themselves get outbid.

I'm guessing that's why they are letting most of these guys walk. They have faith in some of their younger guys, and they need to get Houston and Poe and Berry extended, and probably rework Charles' deal since he's pretty underpaid (and will likely want to get it reworked)...

[RunKC]

They'd better fucking sign Houston before the beginning of next year. Otherwise say goodbye because they'll let themselves get outbid.

Ever think that this is why they aren't overpaying for a journeymen guard?

[-King-]

They'd better fucking sign Houston before the beginning of next year. Otherwise say goodbye because they'll let themselves get outbid.

Why would they get outbid?
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[saphojunkie]

Reid isn't finding anybody. Dorsey is running the draft.

That doesn't mean Reid won't be evaluating quarterbacks.

[The Franchise]

Why would they get outbid?
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Seriously? There are always going to be teams that are flush with cap room and willing to pay more for a player to fill a huge hole on their roster.

[htismaqe]

I'm guessing that's why they are letting most of these guys walk. They have faith in some of their younger guys, and they need to get Houston and Poe and Berry extended, and probably rework Charles' deal since he's pretty underpaid (and will likely want to get it reworked)...

Charles isn't underpaid. He's a RB, his wheels could fall off at any time.

[htismaqe]

That doesn't mean Reid won't be evaluating quarterbacks.

I was being sarcastic.

[OldSchool]

Charles isn't underpaid. He's a RB, his wheels could fall off at any time.

As good as Charles is, RBs are a dime a dozen. Great ones can be found anywhere in the draft. Would much rather pay a good WR or build a great OL vs paying a ton of money to a RB in this league.

[mcaj22]

Charles gets paid peanuts for being the only guy on offense that can move the ball consistently

[RunKC]

This thread is hilarious. People want to overpay for a journeyman guard and then pay for Houston.

[htismaqe]

This thread is hilarious. People want to overpay for a journeyman guard and then pay for Houston.

Wrong.

[RunKC]

Wrong.

You keep Schwartz then you're overpaying

[-King-]

Seriously? There are always going to be teams that are flush with cap room and willing to pay more for a player to fill a huge hole on their roster.

So that statement could literally go for any player in the league.
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[The Franchise]

You keep Schwartz then you're overpaying

Contracts increase over the years. It's what happens.

Levitre got $8 million last year. Vasquez got $7.5. I bet Schwartz doesn't touch either of those.

[htismaqe]

You keep Schwartz then you're overpaying

If every free agent that signs a contract is "overpaid", the definition of overpaid is no longer valid.

[saphojunkie]

I was being sarcastic.

Meter broken.

[htismaqe]

Meter broken.

Yeah, I've said all along that this idea that Dorsey is in complete control of personnel is bunk. The head coach is gonna have some say.

Sorry I took it out on you. It's hard to resist those "back at ya" moments.

[RunKC]

Contracts increase over the years. It's what happens.

Levitre got $8 million last year. Vasquez got $7.5. I bet Schwartz doesn't touch either of those.

We don't have that much money. So who are you cutting from the team to be able to afford this journeyman guard?

[saphojunkie]

Yeah, I've said all along that this idea that Dorsey is in complete control of personnel is bunk. The head coach is gonna have some say.

Sorry I took it out on you. It's hard to resist those "back at ya" moments.

I'm with you. I think Reid stepped back from the draft, getting scouting reports from regional guys and all that. But the idea that he doesn't have some say in who the team drafts in the first round I just don't buy.

It's like, people don't realize that movies aren't just made by the guy in charge of production. The lady in charge of marketing has a hell of a say about what gets made.

[htismaqe]

We don't have that much money. So who are you cutting from the team to be able to afford this journeyman guard?

If we don't have that kind of money, the only logical conclusion then is that we're going to not replace him. We're going to go into the season with what we have (and potentially someone from the draft).

Considering the moves they made last offseason, how in God's holy name does that make one bit of sense?

[The Franchise]

We don't have that much money. So who are you cutting from the team to be able to afford this journeyman guard?

Who are you starting in his place without having a drop off?

[htismaqe]

Who are you starting in his place without having a drop off?

The Chiefs farm system is loaded. Just like the Royals.

Cham-peen-ship!

[Titty Meat]

So the realists who saw this team lose to every playoff team they played last year and recognize they need to get better talent to compete are dramatic dumbasses but the guys who think Sanders Cummings and a bunch of other late round draft picks will get us over the hump are right. Hilarious.

This board has never seen a late round pick it didn't like and the funny thing is most of them dont work out.

While the niners traded a 6th for Boldin our GM drafted Trevor Wilson LMAO

[RunKC]

Who are you starting in his place without having a drop off?

Not sure yet. I think this is why they drafted Kush honestly.

Are you not confident in Dorsey to find that player after he literally did that with Schwartz, Abdullah, Demps on ST's, McGrath, A. Jordan and Cooper?

[saphojunkie]

Who are you starting in his place without having a drop off?

Some other free agent guard we pick up for $1m/1 year. Just like Schwartz.

Damn, suckas be actin like Schwartz wuz all pro bowlz n shit

http://cultspark.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/drexl-spivey-true-romance.jpg

[ChiliConCarnage]

meh. We had a bunch of cap money last year and spent it.
If Asamoah really got anything like 4.5 million then Schwartz was never really an option.

It was a good buy low signing by Dorsey. He'll have to keep doing that and/or finding young talent through the draft. In hindsight, it would've been amazing if Dorsey had given him a 3 year deal last season.

[The Franchise]

I'm supposed to be confident when really the only starters that he got out of that group was Jordan and Cooper? Schwartz started because Asamoah got injured and then proved that he should have been starting the entire time....and now he's gone. Abdullah and Demps were so awesome that Lewis was never benched the entire season. McGrath started because of injures.

[htismaqe]

Not sure yet. I think this is why they drafted Kush honestly.

Are you not confident in Dorsey to find that player after he literally did that with Schwartz, Abdullah, Demps on ST's, McGrath, A. Jordan and Cooper?

Abdullah? Demps? McGrath?

You're talking about role players. ST guys and backups.

I absolutely trust Dorsey to find those kinds of guys.

He's yet to prove he can find someone to protect Alex Smith as a full-time starter though...

[RunKC]

@TerezPaylor: With McCluster, Albert, Schwartz and Asamoah headed out, #Chiefs will look for free-agent bargains this week: http://t.co/eiDU46geJV

We're going to find out soon who these guys have in mind to sign and step in. Let's wait until they actually sign these players first before we crucify the GM that literally did a great job of finding talent to step in last year.

[The Franchise]

I haven't crucified him once.

[RunKC]

Abdullah? Demps? McGrath?

You're talking about role players. ST guys and backups.

I absolutely trust Dorsey to find those kinds of guys.

He's yet to prove he can find someone to protect Alex Smith as a full-time starter though...

Schwartz was pretty good last year as a starter. Let's see who he gets this time before we judge.

[Halfcan]

O line was the weakest link on the team besides Kendrick Lewis. Why resign these guys to huge contracts when they never really got it together last year and played as a unit?

[htismaqe]

Schwartz was pretty good last year as a starter. Let's see who he gets this time before we judge.

This is a free flowing discussion. Of course, things will change as they make moves. There's no "judgement".

[htismaqe]

O line was the weakest link on the team besides Kendrick Lewis. Why resign these guys to huge contracts when they never really got it together last year and played as a unit?

Because you can't line up 3 guys and not get an illegal formation penalty?

[RunKC]

What happens when we need $ to lock down Justin Houston? What happens when Charles wants to renegotiate his contract that he rightfully deserves to do? What happens when We need $ to lock down Berry? What happens when we need $ to lock down Alex?

This isn't just planning for now. We're planning the long term as well.

[htismaqe]

What happens when we need $ to lock down Justin Houston? What happens when Charles wants to renegotiate his contract that he rightfully deserves to do? What happens when We need $ to lock down Berry? What happens when we need $ to lock down Alex?

This isn't just planning for now. We're planning the long term as well.

Actually, this is about planning for the long term at the expense of the short term (or so it seems right now).

That's great for Justin Houston but who are we going to pair him with because Hali isn't going to last much longer...

[OldSchool]

Actually, this is about planning for the long term at the expense of the short term (or so it seems right now).

That's great for Justin Houston but who are we going to pair him with because Hali isn't going to last much longer...

Hopefully we can draft his replacement in this or next year's draft.

Dee Ford, Attaochu, Gayle, Smith, etc.

[RunKC]

Actually, this is about planning for the long term at the expense of the short term (or so it seems right now).

That's great for Justin Houston but who are we going to pair him with because Hali isn't going to last much longer...

I agree, but I think people are putting Dorsey under a microscope.

How about Hudson, Allen and Stephenson? Two top 50 picks and a 3rd rd pick with 2 or more years in. It's time for these guys to step up.
Fisher and Kush are going through their first real nfl offseason so I expect them to be better next year as well just like Poe.

[htismaqe]

Hopefully we can draft his replacement in this or next year's draft.

Dee Ford, Attaochu, Gayle, Smith, etc.

This is why the Schwartz thing (or the o-line as a whole really) is so frustrating.

This team suddenly has a TON of holes where they didn't exist a month ago.

We're already short on picks.

[htismaqe]

I agree, but I think people are putting Dorsey under a microscope.

How about Hudson, Allen and Stephenson? Two top 50 picks and a 3rd rd pick with 2 or more years in. It's time for these guys to step up.
Fisher and Kush are going through their first real nfl offseason so I expect them to be better next year as well just like Poe.

After watching Asamoah the last couple of years, do you any faith that Allen or Hudson are going to make a huge leap? I think it's a better bet to assume that Pioli had no idea what he was doing when it came to offensive linemen...

[OldSchool]

This is why the Schwartz thing (or the o-line as a whole really) is so frustrating.

This team suddenly has a TON of holes where they didn't exist a month ago.

We're already short on picks.

It's why I hope we can get Daryn Colledge in here to lessen the blow.

[htismaqe]

It's why I hope we can get Daryn Colledge in here to lessen the blow.

The problem is that he plays LG, doesn't he?

So we're going to move Allen?

All of this potential shuffling is a little disconcerting.