WR drop rate

[planetdoc]

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/03/24/sig-stats-drop-rate-wrs/

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Often receivers have been lambasted for their numbers of drops and while that can be fair game, how can we compare one player dropping 20 balls when he is thrown 150, to another dropping six when he is thrown 40?

Well, what we’ve done is gather a few numbers to really answer which receivers have the best hands. Firstly, we’ve created the catchable balls number which adds up catches and drops. We then collect a percentage of how many drops a receiver had by their catchable balls, and presto! …you’ve got yourself a ‘drop rate’ — the best metric out there for determining the hands of receivers.

Bowe came in at #65, with 8 drops on 65 catchable passes, with a drop rate of 12.31%

He was the only KC wr listed, and no other KC wr (with at least 40 catchable passes) had a drop rate worse than him.

Jamaal Charles came in #26 among running backs (4th worst) with 10 drops on 80 catchable balls for a drop rate of 12.5% (https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/03/26/sig-stats-drop-rate-rbs/)

none of the chiefs TE were among the best or worst in drops: link (https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/03/25/sig-stats-drop-rate-tes/)

[Hammock Parties]

Dwayne Bowe is the worst thing to ever happen to the Kansas City Chiefs.

[BlackHelicopters]

Trade Bowe.

[mcaj22]

65 out of 78 listed

lol, Bowe and Mike Wallace really living up to their contracts

[loochy]

TRADE BOWE FOR TOM BRADY AND 2 FIRST ROUND PICKS

[RealSNR]

That'd be a pretty cool story bro if drops actually mattered.

[TimBone]

Hang him.

[BullJunkandIron]

Bow got the sonic on his mind and his mind on the sonic.

[TimBone]

Bow got the sonic on his mind and his mind on the sonic.

It's the one stop munchies shop.

[loochy]

popcorn chicken

[BlackHelicopters]

popcorn chicken

With tots

[BullJunkandIron]

Bow do like playing backetball with the neighborhood tots.

[cosmo20002]

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/03/24/sig-stats-drop-rate-wrs/

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Bowe came in at #65, with 8 drops on 65 catchable passes, with a drop rate of 12.31%

He was the only KC wr listed, and no other KC wr (with at least 40 catchable passes) had a drop rate worse than him.

Just to be clear here, #1 is the best. So at #65, there were 64 WRs who had a better (lower) drop rate.

8 drops is less than I would have guessed, but that's still pretty shitty.

[TimBone]

Just to be clear here, #1 is the best. So at #65, there were 64 WRs who had a better (lower) drop rate.

8 drops is less than I would have guessed, but that's still pretty shitty.

This thread is now about Sonic.

[MIAdragon]

That'd be a pretty cool story bro if drops actually mattered.

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[Carlota69]

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/03/24/sig-stats-drop-rate-wrs/

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Bowe came in at #65, with 8 drops on 65 catchable passes, with a drop rate of 12.31%

He was the only KC wr listed, and no other KC wr (with at least 40 catchable passes) had a drop rate worse than him.

This is all Alex Smiths fault!!!:p

[Bowser]

Should have cut Bowe and kept Lance Long.

[BlackHelicopters]

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[Bowser]

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[htismaqe]

Dwayne Bowe is the worst thing to ever happen to the Kansas City Chiefs.

Me first guy. Black.

We need more Westin Dressler's.

[RealSNR]

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People who bitch about WRs who drop the ball are the kinds of morons who deserve talentless and miserable pukes like James Thrash and Jason Avant as their primary 1 and 2 WRs.

On this forum, these people run rampant, and they act like sure-handedness is just as valuable of a skill as vertical leap, speed, timing, body positioning, route running, etc.

It's not and it never has been.

What does that even mean? "Sure-handedness?" All WRs drop passes, so why are some WRs worse than others?

You know who dropped the ball all the fucking goddamn time? Jerry Rice.

You know who also suffers from several drops in a given season? Calvin Johnson. AJ Green. The best NFL WRs.

It's equated to just a thing you do like an offensive lineman who does sled drills and drives a pickup truck and carries a lunch pail. And that's the wrong fucking attitude to have.

[ChiefsLV]

Now if Bowe could just keep his feet in bounds, we'd have a true number one receiver.

[RippedmyFlesh]

Trade him for a guard

[cosmo20002]

People who bitch about WRs who drop the ball are the kinds of morons who deserve talentless and miserable pukes like James Thrash and Jason Avant as their primary 1 and 2 WRs.

On this forum, these people run rampant, and they act like sure-handedness is just as valuable of a skill as vertical leap, speed, timing, body positioning, route running, etc.

It's not and it never has been.

What does that even mean? "Sure-handedness?" All WRs drop passes, so why are some WRs worse than others?

You know who dropped the ball all the ****ing goddamn time? Jerry Rice.

You know who also suffers from several drops in a given season? Calvin Johnson. AJ Green. The best NFL WRs.



Any stats to back up the Rice assertion?

Of course all WRs drop passes--they're human and will make mistakes. But catching a catchable pass seems like job #1 for a WR. Not catching a catchable pass costs your team 1st downs and TDs. I think you're really minimizing it.

[loochy]

Tony Gonzalez will never amount to anything because he drops the ball too much.

[loochy]

Bowe is big. Can we move him to tight end?

[temper11]

What does that even mean? "Sure-handedness?" All WRs drop passes, so why are some WRs worse than others?

WRs that tend to drop well-thrown balls less than other receivers are considered to be more "sure-handed".

Jerry Rice did not drop balls "all the f'n time". Nor did he have tremendous speed or a superior leaping ability. He was a great route runner, was good at positioning his body and was "sure-handed".

[Steron]

50 million dollar down field blocker. /CP

[Bowser]

Rice was crap his first year and a half in the league. Couldn't catch AIDS in an Ethiopian whorehouse. Then the light came on and he developed hands of glue.

[Steron]

Bowe has had 7 seasons. Why does he get a pass for dropping passes? Just askin'.

[MIAdragon]

People who bitch about WRs who drop the ball are the kinds of morons who deserve talentless and miserable pukes like James Thrash and Jason Avant as their primary 1 and 2 WRs.

On this forum, these people run rampant, and they act like sure-handedness is just as valuable of a skill as vertical leap, speed, timing, body positioning, route running, etc.

It's not and it never has been.

What does that even mean? "Sure-handedness?" All WRs drop passes, so why are some WRs worse than others?

You know who dropped the ball all the ****ing goddamn time? Jerry Rice.

You know who also suffers from several drops in a given season? Calvin Johnson. AJ Green. The best NFL WRs.

It's equated to just a thing you do like an offensive lineman who does sled drills and drives a pickup truck and carries a lunch pail. And that's the wrong ****ing attitude to have.


I hear what you're saying but who gives a shit how pretty the route and the speed it was run if the WR drops the ball? After all it only counts if he brings it in right? So yes drops are a big deal and should not be ignored.

As for Jerry Rice, IIRC he has the best catch to drop ration of any receiver all time.

[MIAdragon]

Rice was crap his first year and a half in the league. Couldn't catch AIDS in an Ethiopian whorehouse. Then the light came on and he developed hands of glue.

It may be bullshit but I heard he took a job as bricklayer in the offseason to build strength in his hands.

[cosmo20002]

Unfortunately, for the purposes of the argument, there aren't many stats to look at. The NFL hasn't kept "drop" stats for very long, and what they consider a drop is pretty strict I recall. The ball basically needs to be dead-on between the numbers before they give you a drop.

[temper11]

Now if Bowe could just keep his feet in bounds, we'd have a true number one receiver.

Of everything, this is what hurts the most. Point the toe and the playoff drought is over. Not hanging the loss on Bowe's shoulders, he had a great game... but if he just points the toe.... sigh.

... or if Hemmingway just alters the course of that DB, just slightly... just a hair, Bowe goes in for the TD. If he just nudges him, shouts his name and startles him, farts loudly... anything. sigh.

Or if Smith hits RB3... sigh

Or any one of the million plays that could have been made on D in the second half. Ugg.

I need the season to start again.

[loochy]

Bowe has had 7 seasons. Why does he get a pass for dropping passes? Just askin'.

Because we can't move him and we can't find anyone better, that's why.

[MIAdragon]

Of everything, this is what hurts the most. Point the toe and the playoff drought is over. Not hanging the loss on Bowe's shoulders, he had a great game... but if he just points the toe.... sigh.

... or if Hemmingway just alters the course of that DB, just slightly... just a hair, Bowe goes in for the TD. If he just nudges him, shouts his name and startles him, farts loudly... anything. sigh.

Or if Smith hits RB3... sigh

Or any one of the million plays that could have been made on D in the second half. Ugg.

I need the season to start again.

Nope the cinderella season will not repeat. At least we have "we were SO close that one time!".

[temper11]

Unfortunately, for the purposes of the argument, there aren't many stats to look at. The NFL hasn't kept "drop" stats for very long, and what they consider a drop is pretty strict I recall. The ball basically needs to be dead-on between the numbers before they give you a drop.

This... for a while I was planning to make a KC Chiefs drop video because I was getting tired of people holding that stat up as indication that the chiefs WR's didn't drop that many passes. The point being to compare the number of what 99% of NFL fans would consider a drop in comparison to the actual statistical numbers, but then my subscription to NFL rewind expired. Maybe next year.

[SeeingRed]

all I know was that i watched the 2nd Denver game live and Avery single handedly lost that game with key drops at crucial times. Is Avery on the list? Smith played VERY well...but his WRs gotta catch the ball.

[temper11]

Nope the cinderella season will not repeat. At least we have "we were SO close that one time!".

I know but at least it will replace my last memory and I can replay something else in my head over and over and over again.

[OldSchool]

People who bitch about WRs who drop the ball are the kinds of morons who deserve talentless and miserable pukes like James Thrash and Jason Avant as their primary 1 and 2 WRs.

On this forum, these people run rampant, and they act like sure-handedness is just as valuable of a skill as vertical leap, speed, timing, body positioning, route running, etc.

It's not and it never has been.

What does that even mean? "Sure-handedness?" All WRs drop passes, so why are some WRs worse than others?

You know who dropped the ball all the ****ing goddamn time? Jerry Rice.

You know who also suffers from several drops in a given season? Calvin Johnson. AJ Green. The best NFL WRs.

It's equated to just a thing you do like an offensive lineman who does sled drills and drives a pickup truck and carries a lunch pail. And that's the wrong ****ing attitude to have.

Yeah, hands don't matter at all. - Said no one in the history of the NFL.

So I'm guessing you want a team filled with the DHBs of the world? All of the physical talent in the world and when they get open down field, they can't catch the ball worth a shit.

[temper11]

all I know was that i watched the 2nd Denver game live and Avery single handedly lost that game with key drops at crucial times. Is Avery on the list? Smith played VERY well...but his WRs gotta catch the ball.

amen...

[htismaqe]

Yeah, hands don't matter at all. - Said no one in the history of the NFL.

So I'm guessing you want a team filled with the DHBs of the world? All of the physical talent in the world and when they get open down field, they can't catch the ball worth a shit.

You obviously haven't ever watched the Lions.

The best WR in football drops the ball all the time.

[OldSchool]

You obviously haven't ever watched the Lions.

The best WR in football drops the ball all the time.

I'm sorry, since when did Bowe have 4.3 speed at 6'4" 230+ pounds and the ability to go up and make plays on the ball in triple coverage? I don't remember getting that notification.

[htismaqe]

I'm sorry, since when did Bowe have 4.3 speed at 6'4" 230+ pounds and the ability to go up and make plays on the ball in triple coverage? I don't remember getting that notification.

ROFL

I'm sorry Dwayne Bowe ran over your dog. We should cut him immediately, right Bob?

[OldSchool]

all I know was that i watched the 2nd Denver game live and Avery single handedly lost that game with key drops at crucial times. Is Avery on the list? Smith played VERY well...but his WRs gotta catch the ball.

I think Avery is somewhere around the 50s. The link he posted only lists the top 15 and bottom 15.

[temper11]

You obviously haven't ever watched the Lions.

The best WR in football drops the ball all the time.

I will admit, I do not watch the lyons unless they are playing the Chiefs or the Niners or are the Monday, Thursday night or Sunday night game of the week.

However, if what you say is true, alleged best WR in football "drops the ball all the time", then he is probably NOT the best WR in football. If your claim is that the number of catches or the number of yards prove me wrong, then my guess is that his number of opportunities is also greater than everyone else's as well.

[jd1020]

I think Avery is somewhere around the 50s. The link he posted only lists the top 15 and bottom 15.

Doesnt mean anything.

Thats the difference in 1 drop.

Avery has had issues his entire career and hes never put any numbers up to be more than a #4 WR.

[htismaqe]

I will admit, I do not watch the lyons unless they are playing the Chiefs or the Niners or are the Monday, Thursday night or Sunday night game of the week.

However, if what you say is true, alleged best WR in football "drops the ball all the time", then he is probably NOT the best WR in football. If number of catches or number of yards prove me otherwise, then my guess is that his number of opportunity to catch the ball is also greater than everyone else's as well.

WRs can excel despite drops. It's not the end of the world like some here want to believe.

The simple fact is that Dwayne Bowe is a pot-smoking, me-first, "he points to his jersey" thug to most whitebread Chiefs fans. The drops thing is the only thing they can cling to without appearing completely racist.

[cosmo20002]

You obviously haven't ever watched the Lions.

The best WR in football drops the ball all the time.

He's also thrown a shitload of balls. The question is what % of the catchable ones is he dropping? I do recall a game last year I watched where he seemed to be wearing mittens, but I can't say I've watched enough of him to know if that is normal. I'd assume it isn't normal, but when it comes to Lions games, I'm usually only seeing the highlights.

[O.city]

WRs can excel despite drops. It's not the end of the world like some here want to believe.

The simple fact is that Dwayne Bowe is a pot-smoking, me-first, "he points to his jersey" thug to most whitebread Chiefs fans. The drops thing is the only thing they can cling to without appearing completely racist.

Dunno about excel, as I think Megatron is just another exception to the rule, but I do think alot of Chief fans overrate drops as a mystical boogie man.

[htismaqe]

He's also thrown a shitload of balls. The question is what % of the catchable ones is he dropping? I do recall a game last year I watched where he seemed to be wearing mittens, but I can't say I've watched enough of him to know if that is normal. I'd assume it isn't normal, but when it comes to Lions games, I'm usually only seeing the highlights.

It's normal. He drops a lot of passes.

[htismaqe]

Dunno about excel, as I think Megatron is just another exception to the rule, but I do think alot of Chief fans overrate drops as a mystical boogie man.

You made the point better than I did.

[OldSchool]

WRs can excel despite drops. It's not the end of the world like some here want to believe.

The simple fact is that Dwayne Bowe is a pot-smoking, me-first, "he points to his jersey" thug to most whitebread Chiefs fans. The drops thing is the only thing they can cling to without appearing completely racist.

Johnson had 8 drops on 157 targets last season. Turrible hands.ROFL

[O.city]

I also think that while Megatron drops a fair amount of easy passes, some of his drops are actually pretty miraculous instances that he even gets his fucking hands on the ball.

Dude is insane.

[temper11]

WRs can excel despite drops. It's not the end of the world like some here want to believe.

The simple fact is that Dwayne Bowe is a pot-smoking, me-first, "he points to his jersey" thug to most whitebread Chiefs fans. The drops thing is the only thing they can cling to without appearing completely racist.

Hilarious. Um no. Even if Bowe looked and acted like Tebow, I'd expect him to catch a higher percentage of balls that hit him in the hands when he is making that kind of money.

[htismaqe]

Johnson had 8 drops on 157 targets last season. Turrible hands.ROFL

Did I say he had terrible hands?

You're a fucking moron.

[htismaqe]

Hilarious. Um no. Even if Bowe looked and acted like Tebow, I'd expect him to catch a higher percentage of balls that hit him in the hands when he is making that kind of money.

Dude, there's been a small continent of people here for the last 2 years saying we should cut Bowe over and over and over again.

It's hilariously stupid and obvious why they think that.

Fat, dumb, rednecks.

[OldSchool]

Did I say he had terrible hands?

You're a ****ing moron.

You implied it by saying he drops passes all of the time.ROFL

[htismaqe]

You implied it by saying he drops passes all of the time.ROFL

Because he does. I actually watch the games...

[OldSchool]

Because he does. I actually watch the games...

Yeah, 8 drops on 157 passes in 2013. Turrible.ROFL

[htismaqe]

Yeah, 8 drops on 157 passes. Turrible.ROFL

Keep on with it, moron.

A PFF subscription doesn't make up for the fact you know nothing about football.

[temper11]

Dude, there's been a small continent of people here for the last 2 years saying we should cut Bowe over and over and over again.

It's hilariously stupid and obvious why they think that.

Fat, dumb, rednecks.

I can't speak for all those posts as I'm fairly new to CP. What I do know is that he is not performing to the level that he is getting paid. That has nothing to do with racism. That has to do with, when you are making a shit load of money, when the ball hits you in the hands, you better catch it a fairly high percentage of the time. He didn't do that last season - I understand the frustration.

And I'm only 1 of the three things you mentioned above.

[htismaqe]

I can't speak for all those posts as I'm fairly new to CP. What I do know is that he is not performing to the level that he is getting paid. That has nothing to do with racism. That has to do with, when you are making a shit load of money, when the ball hits you in the hands, you better catch it a fairly high percentage of the time. He didn't do that last season - I understand the frustration.

And I'm only 1 of the three things you mentioned above.

You know what's funny about what you said?

The SAME 2 or 3 people that think we should cut Bowe, think we should give John Dorsey every benefit of the doubt on building this team.

Guess who gave Bowe that fat contract? Oopsie.

[The Franchise]

I'm sorry, since when did Bowe have 4.3 speed at 6'4" 230+ pounds and the ability to go up and make plays on the ball in triple coverage? I don't remember getting that notification.

So what does it mean that Bowe had better stats in his rookie year than Calvin Johnson?

[htismaqe]

So what does it mean that Bowe had better stats in his rookie year than Calvin Johnson?

Dwayne Bowe sucks.

He led the league in receiving TDs in 2010.

He sucks.

Points to the back of his jersey.

[O.city]

I think it's Bowe's route running and tendency to lose focus at times that hurts him, especially the focus. I think he struggles to stay locked in at all times.

If he could, he's as talented as any WR in the league.

[jd1020]

Think it would be hard for any receiver in the league to not lose focus if they find themselves getting their first target in the 4th quarter.

[temper11]

You know what's funny about what you said?

The SAME 2 or 3 people that think we should cut Bowe, think we should give John Dorsey every benefit of the doubt on building this team.

Guess who gave Bowe that fat contract? Oopsie.

Well... my own personal opinion is that Bowe let off the gas when he got his fat contract. He even hinted at that in one of his interviews. He got paid and just kinda figured that he could coast now, and honestly he can... He's got guaranteed money coming. It remains to be seen whether he DECIDES that he wants a championship or not and then plays for it, regardless of what money he's guaranteed to be paid or not.

I hope he looks at last season, and decides to come back and play some f'n football.

[BlackHelicopters]

Bowe loses focus because of weed.

[temper11]

Think it would be hard for any receiver in the league to not lose focus if they find themselves getting their first target in the 4th quarter.

Part of the problem too (again, just my opinion) is that Bowe expects the ball whether he is open or not. Some QB's (like Kap in SF) lock into their #1 target and just assume that he'll make the play. Bowe has been decent with that in years past. So, why work hard on route running? "Just throw me the damn ball".

Enter Alex Smith who is a true progression QB. He is going to start at 1 and if you don't have a step, move to 2 and so on. He isn't going to force a ball unless he has no other choice. He prefers to throw it away and punt rather than throw an INT and put his defense against a wall. It sometimes is frustrating to watch but it relies on receivers running good routes and getting a step.

I think Bowe just got used to being fed whether he had that step or not. Then he loses focus as you mentioned above and isn't ready when Smith does dial him up. Just my two-bit opinion.

[htismaqe]

Well... my own personal opinion is that Bowe let off the gas when he got his fat contract. He even hinted at that in one of his interviews. He got paid and just kinda figured that he could coast now, and honestly he can... He's got guaranteed money coming. It remains to be seen whether he DECIDES that he wants a championship or not and then plays for it, regardless of what money he's guaranteed to be paid or not.

I hope he looks at last season, and decides to come back and play some f'n football.

That would be evidence then that Dorsey doesn't know what he's doing. One of the very first things he did in KC was sign Dwayne Bowe to that big contract.

[jd1020]

That would be evidence then that Dorsey doesn't know what he's doing. One of the very first things he did in KC was sign Dwayne Bowe to that big contract.

In before someone claims he ran the show in GB.

[temper11]

That would be evidence then that Dorsey doesn't know what he's doing. One of the very first things he did in KC was sign Dwayne Bowe to that big contract.

Exactly... it was one of the first things that he did. He comes in and immediately one of the two bright spots on the offense is due for a renewal. Doesn't know much about him, hasn't had much time to get to know him, doesn't want to let talent walk out the door before he had a chance to move a few boxes into his office.

From here, post 2013, to me it looks like it was a horrible deal. But I don't know what it looked like prior to this season. I'll give him a pass on that one. That's like starting a job and on your first day you are being asked to make decisions without all the information you'd normally make those decisions based on. Tough spot to be in and I've been there (although not as a GM for a professional football team).

[temper11]

And I'm still a hold out that Bowe will pick it back up in 2014 assuming that his post-fat-contract hangover has cleared out of his head.

[Deberg_1990]

Bowe tore sh*t up in the playoff game. He plays big in big games!

[temper11]

Bowe tore sh*t up in the playoff game. He plays big in big games!

Ok... but that indicates to me that he takes games off from the perspective of effort. I really hope that's not the case.

[The Franchise]

Exactly... it was one of the first things that he did. He comes in and immediately one of the two bright spots on the offense is due for a renewal. Doesn't know much about him, hasn't had much time to get to know him, doesn't want to let talent walk out the door before he had a chance to move a few boxes into his office.

From here, post 2013, to me it looks like it was a horrible deal. But I don't know what it looked like prior to this season. I'll give him a pass on that one. That's like starting a job and on your first day you are being asked to make decisions without all the information you'd normally make those decisions based on. Tough spot to be in and I've been there (although not as a GM for a professional football team).

He's never seen tapes of games before? Was he clueless as to the other 31 teams outside of Green Bay?

[temper11]

He's never seen tapes of games before? Was he clueless as to the other 31 teams outside of Green Bay?

Wasn't Bowe pretty damn good in 2012? That's the tape you're talking about right, that's what he had to go on. My assertion is that he didn't know that man. Couldn't foresee what the signing of a huge contract would do to his work ethic (if that's what happened)...

Or, didn't foresee my theory on Smith going all the way through progressions and not just throwing it to his 1st read all the time as some have said Cassel was apt to do. Smith is going to make Bowe work for his passes... Smith wants to see a step or he's on to his 2nd read. If Dorsey is looking at tape of Bowe making tough catches in super tight coverage, and writes the check based on that... and then you bring in a QB who typically doesn't throw in tight coverage, when there are other options, you might have wasted some money.

Again, the deal for Bowe was made before they traded for Smith, was it not?

I'm just guessing on these theories. I'm just trying to find out what happened to the pro-bowl Bowe, cause I didn't see him until the very last freaking game of the season in 2013.

[Coochie liquor]

With tots

Chili cheese tots!!

[Just Passin' By]

WRs can excel despite drops. It's not the end of the world like some here want to believe.

The simple fact is that Dwayne Bowe is a pot-smoking, me-first, "he points to his jersey" thug to most whitebread Chiefs fans. The drops thing is the only thing they can cling to without appearing completely racist.

Bowe struggles getting separation, and he has to rely on his size, which makes things more difficult on his QBs, especially if you have to also worry that the guy's not going to catch the ball in those situations.


Chiefs fans can point to that. It's not racist. We can all agree that there have been, and continue to be, plenty of white players who struggle getting separation from defenders.


Despite SNR's bullshit post and your followups, the simple truth is that catching the catchable balls is actually important.

[BigMeatballDave]

People who bitch about WRs who drop the ball are the kinds of morons who deserve talentless and miserable pukes like James Thrash and Jason Avant as their primary 1 and 2 WRs.

On this forum, these people run rampant, and they act like sure-handedness is just as valuable of a skill as vertical leap, speed, timing, body positioning, route running, etc.

It's not and it never has been.

What does that even mean? "Sure-handedness?" All WRs drop passes, so why are some WRs worse than others?

You know who dropped the ball all the fucking goddamn time? Jerry Rice.

You know who also suffers from several drops in a given season? Calvin Johnson. AJ Green. The best NFL WRs.

It's equated to just a thing you do like an offensive lineman who does sled drills and drives a pickup truck and carries a lunch pail. And that's the wrong fucking attitude to have.:clap:

[BigMeatballDave]

Dude, there's been a small continent of people here for the last 2 years saying we should cut Bowe over and over and over again.

It's hilariously stupid and obvious why they think that.

Fat, dumb, rednecks.These fuckwads are all over Facebook.

[cosmo20002]

Seems like saying it isn't important for a WR to be able to catch is like saying it isn't important for a QB to throw well or an RB to be fast.

Sure, you can get away with being a little sub-par in those areas and make up for it with other attributes, but your other attributes better be pretty fucking good.

[Easy 6]

This thread is now about Sonic.

SuperSonic breakfast burrito FTW, the hands down best breakfast item in fast food.

[Ragged Robin]

It's not even JUST the derpy drops he makes. He seems to make them at the most crucial times in games like 3rd down.

[cosmo20002]

It's not even JUST the derpy drops he makes. He seems to make them at the most crucial times in games like 3rd down.

That's what gets me. I don't have stats on this, but I just don't remember yelling at the TV a lot because Tony G dropped another drive-killing 3rd-down pass. Seems like I do that almost every game with Bowe.

Surely we have a CP member with no life and the time and obsession necessary to go through video of all the games to document all the Chiefs' catchable drops the last 10 years or so. I'm guessing there would be tons of rep in it for you...

[BossChief]

WRs can excel despite drops. It's not the end of the world like some here want to believe.

The simple fact is that Dwayne Bowe is a pot-smoking, me-first, "he points to his jersey" thug to most whitebread Chiefs fans. The drops thing is the only thing they can cling to without appearing completely racist.

You forgot to mention tattoos.

Son, I am disappoint.

[BossChief]

The weird thing about Bowe is that he seems to have issues catching the wide open passes, but almost always hauls in the hard catches that take major skill.

Say what you want about Todd Haley, Dwayne Bowe caught everything in 2010 when Haley had him focused and TBH I think Todd told him to stop smoking pot.

I used to smoke a lot of pot and I can relate.

It's not a sight issue because that's was les miles thought at LSU and had Bowe get corrective surgery. It's a lack of focus.

For his sake, I do hope he stops smoking pot and ends his career with a ring because of it.

I bet if he quits and dedicates himself again to finish his career strong, he will have a string of 1300/13td seasons (his personal goal he had for last year that he told me face to face at training camp before the 2013 season)

[Deberg_1990]

The weird thing about Bowe is that he seems to have issues catching the wide open passes, but almost always hauls in the hard catches that take major skill.

Say what you want about Todd Haley, Dwayne Bowe caught everything in 2010 when Haley had him focused and TBH I think Todd told him to stop smoking pot.

I used to smoke a lot of pot and I can relate.

It's not a sight issue because that's was les miles thought at LSU and had Bowe get corrective surgery. It's a lack of focus.

For his sake, I do hope he stops smoking pot and ends his career with a ring because of it.

I bet if he quits and dedicates himself again to finish his career strong, he will have a string of 1300/13td seasons (his personal goal he had for last year that he told me face to face at training camp before the 2013 season)



If an official list was released, I think we would all be shocked at the amount of NFL players who smoke pot.

[loochy]

The weird thing about Bowe is that he seems to have issues catching the wide open passes, but almost always hauls in the hard catches that take major skill.

Say what you want about Todd Haley, Dwayne Bowe caught everything in 2010 when Haley had him focused and TBH I think Todd told him to stop smoking pot.

I used to smoke a lot of pot and I can relate.

It's not a sight issue because that's was les miles thought at LSU and had Bowe get corrective surgery. It's a lack of focus.

For his sake, I do hope he stops smoking pot and ends his career with a ring because of it.

I bet if he quits and dedicates himself again to finish his career strong, he will have a string of 1300/13td seasons (his personal goal he had for last year that he told me face to face at training camp before the 2013 season)

Lolwut? Smoking pot makes you better at EVERYTHING, including arts and craf ts and guitar. /bump

[planetdoc]

If an official list was released, I think we would all be shocked at the amount of NFL players who smoke pot.

yup. There are plenty of highly functioning professionals in many fields who are able to do their job while medicated on canabis (likely sativa strains).

Dont blame the drug, blame the individual.

[cosmo20002]

The weird thing about Bowe is that he seems to have issues catching the wide open passes, but almost always hauls in the hard catches that take major skill.

Say what you want about Todd Haley, Dwayne Bowe caught everything in 2010 when Haley had him focused and TBH I think Todd told him to stop smoking pot.

I used to smoke a lot of pot and I can relate.

It's not a sight issue because that's was les miles thought at LSU and had Bowe get corrective surgery. It's a lack of focus.

For his sake, I do hope he stops smoking pot and ends his career with a ring because of it.

I bet if he quits and dedicates himself again to finish his career strong, he will have a string of 1300/13td seasons (his personal goal he had for last year that he told me face to face at training camp before the 2013 season)

:spock:

[MahiMike]

I don't know how they count these but I'd say these numbers are very low. Bowe drops 12 balls a month. It's not just the obvious in-your-grasp drops. It's the passes where you have to extend and make an effort he sucks at too. I've seen #4WRs make better catches than alligator armed Bowe.

[htismaqe]

Bowe struggles getting separation, and he has to rely on his size, which makes things more difficult on his QBs, especially if you have to also worry that the guy's not going to catch the ball in those situations.


Chiefs fans can point to that. It's not racist. We can all agree that there have been, and continue to be, plenty of white players who struggle getting separation from defenders.


Despite SNR's bullshit post and your followups, the simple truth is that catching the catchable balls is actually important.

First of all, I never said catching the ball wasn't important. I said that dropping the ball isn't the end of the world. And it isn't.

Second, I'm sure you've read all of the "he points to the back of his jersey" bullshit over the years. You know what I'm talking about and you know it's the fucking truth.

[RealSNR]

I hear what you're saying but who gives a shit how pretty the route and the speed it was run if the WR drops the ball? After all it only counts if he brings it in right? So yes drops are a big deal and should not be ignored.

As for Jerry Rice, IIRC he has the best catch to drop ration of any receiver all time.Who gives a shit if a WR can catch the ball 100% of the time if he can't beat a defender or fucking get open?

Someone brought it up earlier. Go find a 40-year old beer-gutted bricklayer if you want an asshole who's going to catch the ball. If you want a WR, the FIRST THINGS you look at is the athletic ability and specifically how that aids the player in running routes, shielding away from defenders, and putting himself in the position to make the play. That's the first 99% of looking at a WR. The final 1% is "okay, now how consistently does he catch the ball?"

Yet people act like that's all that fucking matters at WR. And they have their fucking periods about dropped passes more than ANYTHING else. Whiffed blocks? Shitty QB throws? Bad angles from defenders? Yeah, they bitch about those things, but the WR dropped the pass? HOLY FUCK CUT THAT GUY SICK OF HIS SHIT WHERE'S BOBBY SIPPIO????

Hell, most of them aren't even legit drops that they bitch about. Just look at any of the game threads from the last 3 seasons. You could have any errant Cassel/Smith throw directed at Bowe get blamed on Bowe. The ball could be wobbling 2 inches from the ground, Bowe would get a hand on it, but then let it fall to the ground, and people would say, "Catch the damn ball, Bowe! Sick of your shit!" Just because he gets a hand on the ball doesn't mean it's a drop, but according to some people that's all that counts.

[RealSNR]

Lolwut? Smoking pot makes you better at EVERYTHING, including arts and craf ts and guitar. /bump

Bowe would play better if he lived in a city like Boston that smells like cinnamon rolls 24/7 and where there's a hot supermodel on every corner waiting to blow you

[RealSNR]

Seems like saying it isn't important for a WR to be able to catch is like saying it isn't important for a QB to throw well or an RB to be fast.

Sure, you can get away with being a little sub-par in those areas and make up for it with other attributes, but your other attributes better be pretty fucking good.

Catching the ball is important. If you have a 50% drop rate, that's a pretty fucking big glaring issue.

If your drop rate is 10%, that's also not the best thing in the world, but it's entirely forgivable if you just fucking make plays.

Bowe absolutely was that WR from 2008-2012. When Smith came along, he struggled to adapt. Let's hope he's figured shit out now.

[Otter]

lol, Bowe and Mike Wallace really living up to their contracts

In all fairness, you can't really compare a 20 something professional athlete to a 80 something journalist.

[planetdoc]

OP updated with Jamaal's drops. According to PFF, he is among the worst (in regards to drops) among rbs.

[RealSNR]

OP updated with Jamaal's drops. According to PFF, he is among the worst (in regards to drops) among rbs.

Cut his ass.

(See why drops don't fucking matter?)

[planetdoc]

drops do matter.

Dropped passes may be in Chiefs' DNA (http://espn.go.com/blog/kansas-city-chiefs/post/_/id/2380/dropped-passes-may-be-in-chiefs-dna)

Charles leads the league in dropped passes with nine, an indication he’s not as polished as a receiver as the Chiefs would like. Bowe has struggled with dropped passes his entire career, while Avery has also had bouts with drops over the years.

It’s something the Chiefs continue to work on before, during and after practice. But with the receivers they have, extra repetition may only get them so far.

“You’ve got to focus on the football,’’ coach Andy Reid said. “We’ve seen a lot of man coverage the last couple of weeks. It’s tight coverage. It becomes a physical game. You’ve to make sure you focus even that much more on the football and stay aggressive on the ball. We keep working it in practice.’’

DROPPED PASSES AN EPIDEMIC FOR STUMBLING CHIEFS (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/dropped-passes-epidemic-stumbling-chiefs)

The Chiefs have finally started to put up some offense the last three weeks, but an epidemic of bobbled balls and dastardly drops has kept them from putting more points on the board — maybe even kept them from becoming the first NFL team to start 9-0 and then lose three straight.

"I'm always going to try to make sure we get the guys in the right position. The guys when they're in that position, they have to make the play," said Chiefs coach Andy Reid.

"If drops are part of that," Reid said, "you go back and you just focus, make sure you're looking at the ball all the way in. You go back to fundamentals. When things aren't going your way as a player or a coach, you go back to focusing in on the small things."

After all, catching the football is something that's usually learned in grade school.

"There's been some plays that we didn't make and, you know, you just have to overcome those," said wide receiver Junior Hemingway, whose playing time has increased in part because he hasn't been dropping passes. "That's basically what it comes down to."

Sounds easy enough. It's been painfully difficult for the Chiefs.

Chiefs quarterback Alex Smith shouldered some of the burden for the recent spate of drops.

"Those things are going to happen. It's my job to keep throwing them," he said. "I certainly missed my fair share as well. That's the nature of the passing game. You're striving for perfection. You'd like to hit every one, but that's not going to happen."

Chiefs tight end Sean McGrath said the biggest frustration with dropped passes is finding a solution to them. You can spend precious practice time on fundamentals — throwing and catching the ball — but it's hard to replicate the timing and pressure of a game situation.

"There's got to be an extra push, an extra emphasis on concentration," McGrath said. "You have to secure the catch, and make sure that gets done before anything else, before any up-yard movement. We have to secure the catch because the ball is the most important thing.

"As long as you're taking care of that," he said, "good things can happen."