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Eleazar
03-31-2014, 10:16 AM
New research finds that many Internet trolls are ‘everyday sadists’ who feed on suffering
March 30
BY ERIC ADLER
The Kansas City Star

Anyone who’s ever encountered Internet trolls, those vile, racist, sexist and often profane people who gorge themselves on others’ misery, might have concluded they are psychologically disturbed.

That would be correct, new research suggests.

Cyber-trolls gleefully spew their “e-bile” using smartphone apps, online comments, texts or social media sites for no other reason than cruelty.

“It happens every night,” said Darla Jaye, a radio talk show host in Kansas City whose conservative views often serve as a lightning rod for trolls. “I get stuff on the text line all the time where people swear at me and call me the foulest names. … It’s easy to throw something out there when you’re anonymous. That is the thing about the Internet, especially about trolls. Most of these people are cowards.”

Perhaps so. But, according to a new paper by a team of Canadian researchers that has looked into the psychological underpinnings of trolls, they may be something else as well:

Sadists.

Yes, sadists. But not the psychopathic sadists who turn to actual physical torture or serial killing.

“We use the term ‘everyday sadist’ to emphasize that we are referring to sub-clinical levels of sadism, and not the more extreme forms that are seen in serial killers and criminals,” said psychologist Erin Buckels of the University of Manitoba and the first of three authors of the paper on troll personality in the February issue of the journal Personality and Individual Differences.

“The essential aspect of sadism,” Buckels said in an email, “is enjoyment of cruelty. Persons high in sadism gain some emotional benefit from causing or simply observing others’ suffering.”

In Kansas City, the issue of using the cybersphere for cruel intent rose again recently. The administrators at numerous schools — including Pembroke Hill, Blue Valley North and Bishop Miege, private, public and parochial — found themselves issuing notices or holding assemblies to urge students not to use a smartphone app called Yik Yak.

Likened to a portable bathroom wall, the free app (which kids say proliferated in recent weeks but has died down just as quickly) allows users to anonymously post anything they want about anybody and share that post with hundreds to thousands of other random users within a few-mile radius.

While many students tend to see Yik Yak as the latest goofy tool to razz friends (“If you’re a cheerleader, high school doesn’t count,” read one) or mock rival schools (“Entrance exam to Shawnee Mission East? Spell your naime”), administrators see it as a weapon for cyberbullying.

“As soon as I heard about it, I downloaded the app,” said Blue Valley North Principal David Stubblefield, who received complaints from students and parents. “... Yes, I was shocked. There were just really ugly things on it … anywhere from sexual humor to racial to religious.”

Although researchers delineate between cyberbullies and trolls — cyberbullies torment specific individuals and are often known by their victims; trolls like to cast their hurt about — they are linked by their penchant for cruelty.

In their troll research, Buckels, Manitoba colleague Paul Trapnell and Delroy Paulhus of the University of British Columbia gathered data from 1,215 individuals — split nearly evenly, half men and half women — based on questions answered on two online surveys.

Both surveys included questions about the subjects’ Internet habits, such as “How many hours per day do you spend posting comments?” or “What do you enjoy doing most on these comment sites? Debating issues, chatting, trolling, making new friends, something other?”

They also included statements from well-known diagnostic tests of personality traits meant to detect various levels of sadism: “Hurting people is exciting” or “In video games, I like realistic blood spurts.”

Beyond sadism, the questionnaire also looked for signs and varying levels of what are known as the three other legs of the “Dark Tetrad” of personality. Those are narcissism ( I have been compared to famous people); sub-clinical psychopathology ( payback needs to be quick and nasty) and Machiavellianism ( it’s not wise to tell your secrets).

Conclusion: Those who rated highest on the scales for narcissism, psychopathology, Machiavellianism and sadism — highest of all for the trait of sadism — were the same people who were trolls. Enjoyment of other online activities, such as chatting and debating, was unrelated to sadism, the researchers concluded.

“It seem like one of their great joys in life,” said Paulhus, “is to make fun of other people and to criticize their opinions.”

Paulhus said that trolls are often insatiably nasty. There is no reasoning with them. The more havoc they sow, getting more people to argue with them, the happier they are. It is that well-known trait that has given rise to the Internet advice: “Don’t feed the trolls.” Like ravenous strays, they just come back.

Over the last two years, Emma A. Jane, a lecturer in media and communications at Australia’s University of New South Wales, has been compiling and dissecting the vast range of electronic vitriol — whether by computer or cell phone — as it is directed at women.

In her paper, “Your a Ugly, Whorish, Slut,” published in 2012 in the journal Feminist Media Studies, Jane pointed out how e-bile directed at women frequently shared the same rhetorical elements: violence and misogyny.

“Gender stereotypes abound,” Jane wrote. “E-bile targeting women commonly includes charges of unintelligence, hysteria and ugliness; these are then combined with threats and/or fantasies of violent sex acts which are often framed as ‘correctives.’ Constructions along the lines of ‘what you need is a good (insert graphic sexual act) to put you right’ appear with astounding regularity…”

In her view, Jane wrote in an email from Australia, “gendered cyber-hate is not rare or occurring only in the fringes of the cybersphere, but has become part of the everyday online experience for many women.”

“I agree with the research … on sadism,” she wrote, “but I also think a lot of people are bored and simply running with the pack.”

One particularly pernicious form of e-bile known as “revenge porn” — in which one posts or sends sexually explicit photos or videos of another person to degrade or harass them — has become enough of a concern that two states, California and New Jersey, recently passed laws criminalizing the act. Twelve more states, including Missouri, have offered similar bills.

Compared with such acts, mere trolling seems tame.

Buckels said it’s still up for debate how much the veil of anonymity on the Internet actually fuels such behaviors ( Without the veil the Internet can provide, would they act this way?) or whether trolling helps vent it ( Thank goodness for the Internet, lest they cause physical harm).

“Some researchers claim that anonymity is primarily to blame,” Buckels said. “But, again, our research suggests that the picture is more complicated. Only certain types of people will act antisocially when they have the opportunity to do so. Most of the time, they can only fantasize about cruel behavior or watch from a distance without risking punishment. Direct action is far more risky, unless the situation is relatively anonymous.”

Buckels said that the anonymity of the Internet can do doubt provide a dark corner from which to strike. For some users, trolling may also offer the same outlet as do violent video games or movies, providing a dose of vicarious sadism as an alternative to the actual thing.

“Our research suggests that trolls also want to be mean to people in real life,” Buckels said. “Perhaps trolling online allows them to satisfy their appetites for cruelty without it creeping into real life.

“As someone recently suggested to me, maybe we should feed the trolls.”

To reach Eric Adler, call 816-234-4431 or send email to eadler@kcstar.com.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2014/03/30/4926371/new-research-finds-that-many-internet.html#test_lstnews#storylink=cpy

Katipan
03-31-2014, 11:06 AM
I read it because you posted it but it was tough to keep going after "e-bile"...

Anyone really think trolls didn't exist before the internet? I remember slam books being passed around in grade school. I remember porn in the shape of Polaroids. Through it all I remember loud obnoxious people getting off on the misery of others.

Cephalic Trauma
03-31-2014, 11:11 AM
tl;dr

But I think all people from kansas and missouri are racist hillbillies with bad hygiene.

Also, go Raiders.

keg in kc
03-31-2014, 11:17 AM
So Eric Adler is Captain Obvious.

htismaqe
03-31-2014, 11:17 AM
I read it because you posted it but it was tough to keep going after "e-bile"...

Anyone really think trolls didn't exist before the internet? I remember slam books being passed around in grade school. I remember porn in the shape of Polaroids. Through it all I remember loud obnoxious people getting off on the misery of others.

It's easier to do behind the relative anonymity of the Interwebs.

I remember a troll we had in high school. He was REALLY busy on the weekends. People were always lining up to kick his ass.

keg in kc
03-31-2014, 11:18 AM
It's easier to do behind the relative anonymity of the Interwebs.Yep, you can say anything here. No consequences. Nobody's going to dive through your monitor and kick your ass for being a douche.

Katipan
03-31-2014, 11:21 AM
But by the same token it's far easier to ignore a troll on the internet.

keg in kc
03-31-2014, 11:22 AM
Did someone just say something?

Donger
03-31-2014, 11:22 AM
Wait, doesn't everyone feed on suffering?

htismaqe
03-31-2014, 11:23 AM
Wait, doesn't everyone feed on suffering?

The Chiefs do.

Donger
03-31-2014, 11:27 AM
The Chiefs do.

LMAO

The true sadists.

Katipan
03-31-2014, 11:29 AM
I don't know how to respond to keg in a manner that gives me the clear win. Sure wish I could just punch him in the face.

keg in kc
03-31-2014, 11:30 AM
I don't know how to respond to keg in a manner that gives me the clear win. Sure wish I could just punch him in the face.Punching me in the face would be a win for everyone. You'd feel better. I'd look better.

htismaqe
03-31-2014, 11:34 AM
Punching me in the face would be a win for everyone. You'd feel better. I'd look better.

Way to turn a good sadism thread into a masochism thread.

Prison Bitch
03-31-2014, 11:42 AM
I dunno, seems like anonymity just allows people to say what they're privately thinking. In real life, when someone at your office water cooler believes we should pick up Mark Sanchez, you nod your head while thinking "You fool." On a chat board, you just flatly say "You fool" aloud.

WhiteWhale
03-31-2014, 11:45 AM
I read it because you posted it but it was tough to keep going after "e-bile"...

Anyone really think trolls didn't exist before the internet? I remember slam books being passed around in grade school. I remember porn in the shape of Polaroids. Through it all I remember loud obnoxious people getting off on the misery of others.

Do you seriously think that it was as prominent as it is now?

Obviously it was always around, but the difference is that NOW the soapboxes are readily available and have much longer reach.

WhiteWhale
03-31-2014, 11:46 AM
But by the same token it's far easier to ignore a troll on the internet.

Yeah, but now we live in a culture that champions a 'victim' mentality and people are always looking for things to be offended by. The problem is also that, as a society, we react in exactly the way they want.

Katipan
03-31-2014, 11:49 AM
Do you seriously think that it was as prominent as it is now?

Obviously it was always around, but the difference is that NOW the soapboxes are readily available and have much longer reach.

I think what existed/exists outside the scope of the internet is far worse.

Those soap boxes only have as much impact as you allow. Not quite the same as someone coming into your house and taking a dump on your carpet.

keg in kc
03-31-2014, 11:50 AM
I dunno, seems like anonymity just allows people to say what they're privately thinking. In real life, when someone at your office water cooler believes we should pick up Mark Sanchez, you nod your head while thinking "You fool." On a chat board, you just flatly say "You fool" aloud.I don't think there's as much people saying what they think as there is people acting out like children because there's no slap on the wrist if they misbehave.

WhiteWhale
03-31-2014, 12:00 PM
I think what existed/exists outside the scope of the internet is far worse.

Those soap boxes only have as much impact as you allow. Not quite the same as someone coming into your house and taking a dump on your carpet.

WTF?

Was breaking into homes and shitting on their carpet a real problem before the internet? Aside from that it's not trolling... That's, you know, illegal. Trolling is about saying things to piss people off.

It has NO impact on me because I don't give a damn what people do or say, but that doesn't mean people aren't doing it. Out of sight out of mind... yeah, I get that. However out of sight doesn't mean 'out of existence'.

Katipan
03-31-2014, 12:04 PM
WTF?

Was breaking into homes and shitting on their carpet a real problem before the internet?

It has NO impact on me, but that doesn't mean people aren't doing it. Out of sight out of mind... yeah, I get that. However out of sight doesn't mean 'out of existence'.

Jesus. Meet me by the bike rack. I'll explain what metaphors are.

Pasta Giant Meatball
03-31-2014, 05:36 PM
I dunno, seems like anonymity just allows people to say what they're privately thinking. In real life, when someone at your office water cooler believes we should pick up Mark Sanchez, you nod your head while thinking "You fool." On a chat board, you just flatly say "You fool" aloud.

Agreed. Except no sane person in real life thinks hoops is on football's level.

WhiteWhale
03-31-2014, 05:52 PM
Jesus. Meet me by the bike rack. I'll explain what metaphors are.

Are you ever going to explain how trolling was easier and more prominent prior to the internet or are you going to continue to use hyperbole to support a baseless position?

Do you really think that people act the same on the internet as in person? They've studied things like this. They don't. Anonymity brings out peoples' inner sociopath. Plus, any real life experience would teach you the same thing. People tend to be far more respectful in person.

Hammock Parties
03-31-2014, 05:53 PM
http://i.imgur.com/b5qRWSk.gif

MTG#10
03-31-2014, 05:54 PM
So Dane is a sadist. Makes sense.

Katipan
03-31-2014, 05:54 PM
Are you ever going to explain how trolling was easier and more prominent prior to the internet or are you going to continue to use hyperbole to express an idea that is factually wrong?

You know what I think?

I think you're mad that after all your years as a pool boy you didn't know what you were talking about in regards to pool deaths. I think this is your way of dealing with it. Whether it's in pain of being wrong in general or just the pain of being wrong to a girl...

I think that's very cute.

Katipan
03-31-2014, 06:03 PM
Are you ever going to explain how trolling was easier and more prominent prior to the internet or are you going to continue to use hyperbole to support a baseless position?

Do you really think that people act the same on the internet as in person? They've studied things like this. They don't. Anonymity brings out peoples' inner sociopath. Plus, any real life experience would teach you the same thing. People tend to be far more respectful in person.

Oh edits.

All these things you keep saying that I said I never said.

a pp roach
03-31-2014, 06:06 PM
i don't do much trolling anymore, but i say a lot of things in jest online. (in a way some might consider trolly)

Katipan
03-31-2014, 06:07 PM
i don't do much trolling anymore, but i say a lot of things in jest online. (in a way some might consider trolly)

You're not a funny person in person? I don't believe that.

WhiteWhale
03-31-2014, 06:09 PM
You know what I think?

I think you're mad that after all your years as a pool boy you didn't know what you were talking about in regards to pool deaths. I think this is your way of dealing with it. Whether it's in pain of being wrong in general or just the pain of being wrong to a girl...

I think that's very cute.

Huh?

1. I'm not sure I even saw that post about the pools. I don't get notifications about people responding to my posts. I'm on about 9 message boards and that would jam up my email. You clearly think you're a bigger deal than you are.

2. I didn't know you were a girl. Should I treat you special or something?

3. I think you're deflecting because you know you can't support your bullshit position and are trying to deflect by insulting my character (ad hominem is a logical fallacy)

4. Managing a construction company is not a 'pool boy', but hey... whatever your weak wittle self needs to feel superior.

WhiteWhale
03-31-2014, 06:10 PM
Oh edits.

All these things you keep saying that I said I never said.

Okay

I think what existed/exists outside the scope of the internet is far worse.


How is/was anonymous trolling worse outside the internet?

Katipan
03-31-2014, 06:11 PM
I read it because you posted it but it was tough to keep going after "e-bile"...

Anyone really think trolls didn't exist before the internet? I remember slam books being passed around in grade school. I remember porn in the shape of Polaroids. Through it all I remember loud obnoxious people getting off on the misery of others.

But by the same token it's far easier to ignore a troll on the internet.

I think what existed/exists outside the scope of the internet is far worse.

Those soap boxes only have as much impact as you allow. Not quite the same as someone coming into your house and taking a dump on your carpet.

I'll help you even more.

Trolls always existed.
Trolls in real life are worse than the ones online.

Now go build something.

OrtonsPiercedTaint
03-31-2014, 06:13 PM
If that article is a test that put trolls to sleep
QUILTY

cosmo20002
03-31-2014, 06:13 PM
Research finds that Internet trolls are ‘everyday sadists’ who feed on suffering

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/customavatars/avatar19741_1.gif

WhiteWhale
03-31-2014, 06:14 PM
I'll help you even more.

Trolls always existed.
Trolls in real life are worse than the ones online.

Now go build something.

No, they're not.

It's the exact same thing and can be just as easily ignored. If it goes beyond that, it's criminal. Do you understand that?

Katipan
03-31-2014, 06:16 PM
No, they're not.

It's the exact same thing and can be just as easily ignored. If it goes beyond that, it's criminal. Do you understand that?

Some idiot chasing you around with his opinion in real life isn't necessarily criminal. Do you understand that?

WhiteWhale
03-31-2014, 06:22 PM
Some idiot chasing you around with his opinion in real life isn't necessarily criminal. Do you understand that?

I've never seen that happen. Ever. Are you trying to indicate that school bullies are 'trolls'? I don't see it that way and I can't even think of an example in real life that is the same.

Kinda like how I've tried to understand your position and instead you just act like a nasty hateful asshole about it. I mean I was being pretty civil until you started trolling me to amuse yourself.

a pp roach
03-31-2014, 06:23 PM
You're not a funny person in person? I don't believe that.

i am funny to some people i guess.

Katipan
03-31-2014, 06:24 PM
I've never seen that happen. Ever. Are you trying to indicate that school bullies are 'trolls'? I don't see it that way and I can't even think of an example in real life that is the same.

Kinda like how I've tried to understand your position and instead you just act like a nasty hateful asshole about it. I mean I was being pretty civil until you started trolling me to amuse yourself. You don't have to be hateful yanno.

Oh I see we just have different definitions of trolling.

Im pretty sure I was having a lovely conversation with a bunch of funny guys before you came with your Caps lock, and angst. No one else seemed to not understand what I was talking about.

Prison Bitch
03-31-2014, 06:29 PM
Lets be frank: A lot of people on boards who claim to be "victims" are nothing more than pussies who don't like anybody to dare disagree with them. If trolls act that way because of anonymity, so too do the victims. They're used to standing around water coolers and boring people with their dumb shit, thinking others are agreeing.


The message board allows these foolish folks to get challenged here and there. And boy, is it a shock to them.

WhiteWhale
03-31-2014, 06:32 PM
Oh I see we just have different definitions of trolling.

Im pretty sure I was having a lovely conversation with a bunch of funny guys before you came with your Caps lock, and angst. No one else seemed to not understand what I was talking about.

You're using angst wrong also.

Katipan
03-31-2014, 06:34 PM
You're using angst wrong also.

If you say so it must be true.

WhiteWhale
03-31-2014, 06:35 PM
Lets be frank: A lot of people on boards who claim to be "victims" are nothing more than pussies who don't like anybody to dare disagree with them. If trolls act that way because of anonymity, so too do the victims. They're used to standing around water coolers and boring people with their dumb shit, thinking others are agreeing.


The message board allows these foolish folks to get challenged here and there. And boy, is it a shock to them.

True, but a lot of times if you disagree with someone they don't debate you or engage in a real discussion... they just start hurling logical fallacies.

I live for disagreements, and people may view me as a troll for that. I think it engages people into expanding their perspectives. However most people don't care about being 'right'. They care about 'winning the argument.'

WhiteWhale
03-31-2014, 06:36 PM
If you say so it must be true.

Words tend to have objective definitions. I didn't write the dictionary or create the shitty english language. I'm simply not sure how I expressed fear or anxiety while talking to you.

Just Passin' By
03-31-2014, 06:44 PM
I've never seen that happen. Ever. Are you trying to indicate that school bullies are 'trolls'? I don't see it that way and I can't even think of an example in real life that is the same.

Kinda like how I've tried to understand your position and instead you just act like a nasty hateful asshole about it. I mean I was being pretty civil until you started trolling me to amuse yourself.

So, would you be calling her a nasty hateful asshole in person, or are you just another pathetic, sub-clinical troll?

WhiteWhale
03-31-2014, 06:49 PM
So, would you be calling her a nasty hateful asshole in person, or are you just another pathetic, sub-clinical troll?

Sure. I did not ascribe it to her as a character trait, but as a behavior I felt she was displaying at the moment. She's obviously upset I didn't acknowledge some 'gotcha' moment on another thread.

'You're being an asshole' is not an uncommon thing for me to say to my friends. If I challenge someone's opinion and they react by insulting me I've said worse. If she chooses to hold a grudge over it, that's her prerogative. I won't though. I never hold grudges over shit like this.

I've said worse to posters on this site that I like. I'll gladly ascribe the 'asshole' label to myself both in person and on the internet.

Sorter
03-31-2014, 08:09 PM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/customavatars/avatar19741_1.gif

:clap:

Rausch
03-31-2014, 08:25 PM
Those soap boxes only have as much impact as you allow. Not quite the same as someone coming into your house and taking a dump on your carpet.

Wow...

salame
03-31-2014, 11:39 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-KsUpc9L2oao/TyLViVQN8pI/AAAAAAAAEk4/7h-9VoECcI0/s1600/troll+rooted+hair.jpg

J Diddy
04-01-2014, 07:37 AM
Yep, you can say anything here. No consequences. Nobody's going to dive through your monitor and kick your ass for being a douche.
Lol

However, if there were an app that would allow you to send an electric shock (not a hurtful one just an annoying static electricity level one) through your screen I would own it.

J Diddy
04-01-2014, 07:38 AM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-KsUpc9L2oao/TyLViVQN8pI/AAAAAAAAEk4/7h-9VoECcI0/s1600/troll+rooted+hair.jpg

Hey full on nudity, NSFW tags

PackerinMo
04-01-2014, 07:51 AM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-KsUpc9L2oao/TyLViVQN8pI/AAAAAAAAEk4/7h-9VoECcI0/s1600/troll+rooted+hair.jpg

That's the only troll I ever heard of before I got a masters in internet lingo.

Prison Bitch
04-01-2014, 09:12 AM
True, but a lot of times if you disagree with someone they don't debate you or engage in a real discussion... they just start hurling logical fallacies.

I live for disagreements, and people may view me as a troll for that. I think it engages people into expanding their perspectives. However most people don't care about being 'right'. They care about 'winning the argument.'


I think a true troll makes things personal. I think of that Frazod character as a perfect example, everything was so personal to that guy. Also, another sign of a troll is their usage of private messaging. Harrassment via PM is proof they're unhinged.


Outside of that, posting on message boards is for opinions. I.e., you will like some and dislike others. If it bothers you to read differing (or critical) opinions, then message boards are not for you.

keg in kc
04-01-2014, 10:23 AM
A troll is somebody who "trolls" for attention. It's about publicly being a dick to get the greatest reaction possible from as many people as possible. PMs have nothing to do with it. Not enough collateral damage that way.

htismaqe
04-01-2014, 11:44 AM
A troll is somebody who "trolls" for attention. It's about publicly being a dick to get the greatest reaction possible from as many people as possible. PMs have nothing to do with it. Not enough collateral damage that way.

This.

Katipan
04-01-2014, 11:50 AM
Lol

However, if there were an app that would allow you to send an electric shock (not a hurtful one just an annoying static electricity level one) through your screen I would own it.

I'd sit on my tablet.

BlackHelicopters
04-01-2014, 01:18 PM
I'd sit on my tablet.

LMAO

Easy 6
04-01-2014, 01:26 PM
LMAO

As the "hit me up heres my number" pm's flood into Katipans box...