Texans Looking Towards Johnnie Football At #1

[SeeingRed]

According to John McClain long time Texans beat writer and writer for the Houston Chronical projects Manziel will go #1


http://www.hngn.com/articles/28284/20140407/johnny-manziel-draft-rumors-what-nfl-experts-saying-update.htm

[BlackHelicopters]

Hog Farmer JIHP

[SeeingRed]

oops...spelled Johnny wrong lmao :-/ dammit

[OldSchool]

Whelp, good for them I guess?

I wouldn't have passed on Clowney for any of this year's QBs. He's a once in a generation type of talent. I'm not sure about Mayock's crowning him as the most physically gifted DE in the history of the NFL, but he's certainly up there.

If that pick happens, I expect the Falcons or Jags to call the Rams in hopes of landing Clowney.

[LoneWolf]

So, one guy puts Johnny Manziel as the top pick in his mock draft and this is proof that the Texans are looking at Manziel as the number one pick? Did you actually read the article that the link to the mock draft was from? This joker is the only "expert" saying Manziel is going #1.

[Coochie liquor]

Whelp, good for them I guess?

I wouldn't have passed on Clowney for any of this year's QBs. He's a once in a generation type of talent. I'm not sure about Mayock's crowning him as the most physically gifted DE in the history of the NFL, but he's certainly up there.

If that pick happens, I expect the Falcons or Jags to call the Rams in hopes of landing Clowney.

If he can find reasons to stay motivated. IMO he hasn't shown that yet. Not saying I wouldn't take him though.

[AndChiefs]

So, one guy puts Johnny Manziel as the top pick in his mock draft and this is proof that the Texans are looking at Manziel as the number one pick? Did you actually read the article that the link to the mock draft was from? This joker is the only "expert" saying Manziel is going #1.

You really want to pit yourself against John McClain?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-fieBOT_Q8oY/T1656KMeobI/AAAAAAAAAPU/TW7EhnrHj4o/s1600/tumblr_ldw1d8URXB1qzrudv.jpg

[SeeingRed]

So, one guy puts Johnny Manziel as the top pick in his mock draft and this is proof that the Texans are looking at Manziel as the number one pick? Did you actually read the article that the link to the mock draft was from? This joker is the only "expert" saying Manziel is going #1.

McClain has covered Houston Football for 35 years and wouldnt report it unless it was pretty solid. If they grab Manziel at #1 St Louis trades out of #2 with Atlanta so they can grab Clowney

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24517794/rams-gm-les-snead-in-talks-with-teams-about-trading-no-2-pick

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Mike Zimmer could be right about Manziel, but man is he ever going to fail in the NFL with his old school approach. Concerned about a guy shooting a McDonald's commercial? Haha, idiot. Greg Schiano wants his schtick back.

[AndChiefs]

Mike Zimmer could be right about Manziel, but man is he ever going to fail in the NFL with his old school approach. Concerned about a guy shooting a McDonald's commercial? Haha, idiot. Greg Schiano wants his schtick back.

I'll believe it when Manziel goes by the Vikings pick. Until then, it's strategy.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

I'll believe it when Manziel goes by the Vikings pick. Until then, it's strategy.

Well he'd make a fool of me.

[greatgooglymoogly]

There aren't any once in a generation talents in this draft IMO. I think Bridgewater should be #1, but I don't think he'll be a top two or three (or five) QB at any point in his career. Manziel at #1 makes sense for Houston due to marketing reasons.

[RealSNR]

So, one guy puts Johnny Manziel as the top pick in his mock draft and this is proof that the Texans are looking at Manziel as the number one pick?

Does it sound like he's ordering a pizza?

[OldSchool]

If he can find reasons to stay motivated. IMO he hasn't shown that yet. Not saying I wouldn't take him though.

Well, the thing is that he doesn't really have an issue with his work ethic. The only real knock on him is that, while he does everything that's asked of him, he doesn't really go above and beyond that. People are knocking him because he doesn't have the Jerry Rice type of fanatic work ethic that guys like Larry Fitzgerald, Ray Lewis, etc. all had.

If he really wants to be the best of all time, he's going to have to step up his preparation to at least close to those levels.

If he just sticks to the normal level of preparation that can be found in the league, he's still going to be a potential HOF player because of his pure natural talent.

[Eleazar]

When John McClane tells you to do something, you do it.

[Bowser]

New coaching staff + new QB = new direction for Houston. Plus it will be a fan favorite move to bring in money and put butts in the seats, so I get why they would consider it. But Clowney next to Watt would wreck shit every week, something to be considered, especially since they have to go against the new golden boy in Andrew Luck twice a year.

[In58men]

Smoke screen for those who want Manziel. Texans might wanna trade back.

[BigBeauford]

I think Clowney has generational measurables, but he has legitimate questions about being a football player. As a fanbase, I am happy with either, but both certainly have bust potential. Let's be honest, they didn't end up keeping Mario Williams, so hitting on Manziel will mean more long term to their franchise.

[MIAdragon]

http://thestatetimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Ryan-Leaf.jpg

[BigBeauford]

http://thestatetimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Ryan-Leaf.jpg

Same thing can be said about Clowney. His coach didn't exactly give a ringing endorsement about his attitude/work ethic.

[LoneWolf]

McClain has covered Houston Football for 35 years and wouldnt report it unless it was pretty solid. If they grab Manziel at #1 St Louis trades out of #2 with Atlanta so they can grab Clowney

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24517794/rams-gm-les-snead-in-talks-with-teams-about-trading-no-2-pick

Teicher has been covering the Chiefs for a number of years now and he doesn't know jack shit about what the Chiefs draft plans are in any year. If the Texans select Manziel with the #1 pick, they are fucking stupid. Almost as stupid as drafting a RT from a small school at 1.1. Almost.

[Bowser]

http://thestatetimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Ryan-Leaf.jpg

Junior Seau tried to help Ryan Leaf become a better person/player

Ryan Leaf washed out of the league in a few years

Junior Seau took his own life


COINCIDENCE???

[htismaqe]

What an interesting problem to have. Clowney? Or Manziel?

Joeckel? Or Fisher?

[Bowser]

What an interesting problem to have. Clowney? Or Manziel?

Joeckel? Or Fisher?

No shit, right?

I'd hate to see a team more snakebit than this one. It borders on comical.

[keg in kc]

I think Clowney has generational measurables, but he has legitimate questions about being a football player. As a fanbase, I am happy with either, but both certainly have bust potential. Let's be honest, they didn't end up keeping Mario Williams, so hitting on Manziel will mean more long term to their franchise.That's the tricky thing with the Texans. For every Mario Williams, there's a David Carr.

[Tribal Warfare]

What an interesting problem to have. Clowney? Or Manziel?

Joeckel? Or Fisher?

We can't have nice things it seems.

[RealSNR]

What an interesting problem to have. Clowney? Or Manziel?

Joeckel? Or Fisher?

The hilarious part is I could easily see Texans fans bitching about their luck on message boards the same way we do.

"Three #1 overall picks in 12 years, and the best QBs in each year are David Carr, Vince Young, and Johnny Manziel. Meanwhile we have to play in a division with the team that lands Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck each time they have the #1 overall pick. It's our lot in life to suffer!"

[Eleazar]

What an interesting problem to have. Clowney? Or Manziel?

Joeckel? Or Fisher?

I would take the pass rusher who most regard as the best player in the draft over the tweener QB prospect 8 times a week.

[Jimmya]

Manziel over Clowney in a heart beat.

[htismaqe]

I would take the pass rusher who most regard as the best player in the draft over the tweener QB prospect 8 times a week.

I'd take them both over Eric Fisher.

[Jimmya]

Me too!

[Eleazar]

I'd take them both over Eric Fisher.

I'd probably rather have Fisher than Manziel... even if he was overdrafted.

[Direckshun]

I'd probably rather have Fisher than Manziel... even if he was overdrafted.

You are high as a motherfucking kite.

[htismaqe]

I'd probably rather have Fisher than Manziel... even if he was overdrafted.

:facepalm:

[RunKC]

I can see it now...

"Johnny Football rolls to the left, is pressures but escapes, heaves the ball and ohhhhh it's intercepted"

[keg in kc]

I can't think of any situation where I'd go Fisher at #1.

I also can't think of any situation where I'd go Manziel at #1.

But if it's one or the other, and those are my only two options, I go for the QB.

[Bewbies]

I kind of feel for the Texans here. They have to be right about Manziel. Nothing else matters. If they pass he better fail. If they take him he has to succeed.

Kind of a tough spot to be in. Good thing they went for the sure fire Patriot Way to guide them.

[Jimmya]

One thing is for sure, if they draft Manziel they will sell out every game in about 3hrs.... According to the local radio stations.

[LoneWolf]

One thing is for sure, if they draft Manziel they will sell out every game in about 3hrs.... According to the local radio stations.

And when he turns out to be a Jamarcus Russell sized bust and the Texans suck for the next 10 years, that stadium will be fucking empty. But it will be OK because well they did sell out all their games for one season. :shake:

[Mr. Laz]

i will let Hog Farmer take a dump on my chest if Manziel goes #1.





not really, but i just don't see it

[TEX]

According to John McClain long time Texans beat writer and writer for the Houston Chronical projects Manziel will go #1


http://www.hngn.com/articles/28284/20140407/johnny-manziel-draft-rumors-what-nfl-experts-saying-update.htm


He's bias - he's been on the "Johnny Manziel " bandwagon since the Texans lost 9 in a row and it was obvious that they were going to get a top 5 pick. He's been advocating for the Texans to take Manziel # 1 since they were awarded the top pick. In fact, the other local radio guys make fun of him sometimes about it. They're always asking him,"What ya gonna do John WHEN the Texans take Clowney #1?"

IMO, and more than a few others in the local media, if the Texans can't trade out of #1, they go Clowney and take a QB with the first pick in Round two or trade it to New England for Ryan Mallet, who O'brien really likes but not sure if he likes him enough to give up a # 2.

[Eleazar]

You are high as a mother****ing kite.

Fisher would have been fine as a mid to late 1st round pick. Manziel probably should be late 1st/early 2nd

[Mr. Laz]

You are high as a motherfucking kite.
How about this ...


if Fisher turns out to be a better pro than Manziel, you post a selfie on CP right before you shoot yourself in the head with a shotgun.



sound like a plan?

[TEX]

Manziel over Clowney in a heart beat.

Really? Even knowing that you have Watt? Watt + Clowney could be very special.

[TEX]

How about this ...


if Fisher turns out to be a better pro than Manziel, you post a selfie on CP right before you shoot yourself in the head with a shotgun.



sound like a plan?

ROFL

[htismaqe]

Fisher would have been fine as a mid to late 1st round pick. Manziel probably should be late 1st/early 2nd

Like every QB not named Luck. Too risky.

[BigMeatballDave]

Like every QB not named Luck. Too risky.

Actually, a 5'11 QB at 1.1 is a huge risk.

Preemptive post: Brees - 2.33/Wilson - 3.75

[keg in kc]

Like every QB not named Luck. Too risky.My impression runs more along the lines of being a 6'1 sophomore 2-year starting spread-running close-your-eyes-and-chuck-it-up-in-the-general-direction-of-Mike Evans kind of quarterback.

[htismaqe]

My impression runs more along the lines of being a 6'1 sophomore 2-year starting spread-running close-your-eyes-and-chuck-it-up-in-the-general-direction-of-Mike Evans kind of quarterback.

He's smaller than 6'1". Legit question mark.

2-year starter. Legit question mark.

Spread offense. Legit question mark.

The rest of your post indicates to me you didn't watch him play a whole lot.

[htismaqe]

Actually, a 5'11 QB at 1.1 is a huge risk.

Yes, yes it is.

People can find something wrong with just about every QB that comes out. At some point, you have to take some risks if you want the payoff.

[keg in kc]

The rest of your post indicates to me you didn't watch him play a whole lot.Probably 8 games last year. Just a guess.

Either way, you're saying you only have issue with 25% of what I said.

Heck, I left character and maturity out of it.

[Mr. Laz]

Like every QB not named Luck. Too risky.

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[htismaqe]

Probably 8 games last year. Just a guess.

Either way, you're saying you only have issue with 25% of what I said.

Heck, I left character and maturity out of it.

I also left improvisational skills and intangibles out of it.

The guy has moxie oozing out of every pore. That's something worth considering.

For all of his physical limitations, Tim Tebow won a playoff game after all. Manziel has Tebow's spirit but can actually, you know, throw the ball.

[BullJunkandIron]

New coaching staff + new QB = new direction for Houston. Plus it will be a fan favorite move to bring in money and put butts in the seats, so I get why they would consider it. But Clowney next to Watt would wreck shit every week, something to be considered, especially since they have to go against the new golden boy in Andrew Luck twice a year.

Houston has sold out every home game since they returned. The waiting list for psl's is over 20k. Putting butts in the seats is the least of Houston's worries.

[htismaqe]

Houston has sold out every home game since they returned. The waiting list for psl's is over 20k. Putting butts in the seats is the least of Houston's worries.

There's more to it than just ticket sales. There's merchandising, advertising, etc. etc.

[keg in kc]

I also left improvisational skills and intangibles out of it.

The guy has moxie oozing out of every pore. That's something worth considering.

For all of his physical limitations, Tim Tebow won a playoff game after all. Manziel has Tebow's spirit but can actually, you know, throw the ball.I've called him Johnny Tebow a few times.

'course that's not a complement: I laughed at the Broncos for drafting Tebow in the first round. Manziel's sort of like the right handed, not holy-rolling yet somehow equally douchebaggy midget version of him.

Although I think the better comparison might be a bit slower, SPCA-friendly, right-handed version of Michael Vick.

[htismaqe]

I've called him Johnny Tebow a few times.

'course that's not a complement: I laughed at the Broncos for drafting Tebow in the first round. Manziel's sort of like the right handed, not holy-rolling yet somehow equally douchebaggy midget version of him.

Although I think the better comparison might be a bit slower, SPCA-friendly, right-handed version of Michael Vick.

Manziel is a better passer than Vick ever was. He's got touch, something Vick never mastered.

Look, I'm not saying I'd take Manziel #1 overall in an ideal world. But the idea that he's a 2nd round pick is just fucking ridiculously laughable.

He's better than Gabbert, Ponder, and Locker all put together...

[Dayze]

How about this ...


if Fisher turns out to be a better pro than Manziel, you post a selfie on CP right before you shoot yourself in the head with a shotgun.



sound like a plan?

LMAO epic.

[keg in kc]

I never said anything about the second round. Well, I did with Tebow, but Johnny Douchebag's better than Tebow.

He's in about the same range Sanchez was for me five years ago. I might consider it with a mid-first pick, somewhere in the late teens to the twenties. I think he's worth that sort of gamble. I just wouldn't go 1 overall with him.

And you know me, it's not a general positional thing. I look at guys individually. I think there's enough red flags with him that it makes me wary. If he plays another year, if he shows he's done some growing up (both on and off the field) and if his production doesn't decline significantly, he goes higher on my board. But a Sophomore coming out...not something I really want to touch with a blue-chip pick.

'course the Texans are in a unique shituation.

[htismaqe]

I never said anything about the second round. Well, I did with Tebow, but Johnny Douchebag's better than Tebow.

I know you didn't. I wasn't talking specifically about you.

[kccrow]

I believe something like 1 of the past 25 SuperBowls was won with a QB that wasn't among the tops in the league at the position. Even Brad Johnson had a masterful year when Tampa Bay won it all. So, that being said, when you need a QB and you are in position to take the best one on your board, you take a QB. The defensive player is nice, but it is almost a lock that you'll win as many SuperBowls with him as you will by passing on him. If they feel Johnny Manziel is the #1 QB on the board, then they should take him. Personally, Manziel is the number one QB on my board. If I'm Houston though, I would try very hard to move that #1 pick to a team like Atlanta that would want a Clowney and I might sell a little bit low to do it. I know a #1 pick has never been traded, but that doesn't mean it can't be.

[Jimmya]

Fans here in Texas want Johnny Football!

[TribalElder]

Clowney, to Romeo, to waste his career holding the line along with JJ

[Simply Red]

What an interesting problem to have. Clowney? Or Manziel?

Joeckel? Or Fisher?



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[Simply Red]

The Chiefs have proven who they are by signing Jeff Linkenbach, with him being practically their only move, Chiefs get an F!!! .... 'F' for ****OFF!!!

[SAUTO]

I can't think of any situation where I'd go Fisher at #1.

I also can't think of any situation where I'd go Manziel at #1.

But if it's one or the other, and those are my only two options, I go for the QB.
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[BigMeatballDave]

The Chiefs have proven who they are by signing Jeff Linkenbach, with him being practically their only move, Chiefs get an F!!! .... 'F' for ****OFF!!!

Have you heard the term 'Depth'?

[Mr. Laz]

Have you heard the term 'Depth'?
Yep, it goes along well behind STARTERS





lose starters, sign depth

booyah!!

[cdcox]

Manziel at #1 makes sense for Houston due to marketing reasons.

Kind of like Fisher at #1 made sense for the Chiefs due to marketing reasons?

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[Mr. Laz]

Kind of like Fisher at #1 made sense for the Chiefs due to marketing reasons?

http://cdn2.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/CHIEFS-FANS.gifstick with math, idiot.

[Simply Red]

Have you heard the term 'Depth'?

yes - but I've never heard of Jeff Linkenbach

[LoneWolf]

yes - but I've never heard of Jeff Linkenbach

No offense SR, and I'm not defending the Chiefs moves in FA, but if we are going to measure their success in signing players based on wether or not you've heard of them, they are always going to receive an F. You seem like a good dude and your knowledge of men's fashion is top notch, but your football knowledge is on the same level as Clay's knowledge of the female orgasm.

[greatgooglymoogly]

Kind of like Fisher at #1 made sense for the Chiefs due to marketing reasons?

Manziel is from south Texas, inside the Texans media footprint. He was a superstar college QB at a school one hour from Houston. He would instantly sell tickets and merchandise there in a way that Blake Bortles never could. In fact, it allows the Texans to run back their 2006 dilemma and find out what would have happened if they picked the local legend.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Manziel is from south Texas, inside the Texans media footprint. He was a superstar college QB at a school one hour from Houston. He would instantly sell tickets and merchandise there in a way that Blake Bortles never could. In fact, it allows the Texans to run back their 2006 dilemma and find out what would have happened if they picked the local legend.

This plus they'll win the Super Bowl this year.

[Deberg_1990]

He actually spent today visiting with the Raiders



http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000339644/article/johnny-manziel-visiting-oakland-raiders