Rap Sheet: Talks With Alex Smith Not Progressing Well

[CaliforniaChief]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Team that will consider a 1st-round QB: The <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Chiefs&amp;src=hash">#Chiefs</a>. Negotiations with Alex Smith aren’t progressing well. Must keep long-term options open</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/statuses/463351444876587008">May 5, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[Mr_Tomahawk]

BRAY

[loochy]

LMAO @ the meltdown if they can't get a deal done

[RealSNR]

Alex can go fuck himself

[rico]

YES!

[Sure-Oz]

Lol...they'll re-sign him

[RealSNR]

LMAO @ the meltdown if they can't get a deal done

I'll actually be pretty satisfied if it means we get our own fucking QB in town

[loochy]

I'll actually be pretty satisfied if it means we get our own fucking QB in town

yeah, but imagine the other half of CP that worships the dude

[rico]

Is this speculation on Rapoport's part, or do you think he has heard from sources that we are actually considering drafting a QB early?

[rico]

yeah, but imagine the other half of CP that worships the dude

And half of those people being people who didn't like him until the playoff game.

[the Talking Can]

they traded 2 seconds for a guy they don't want to pay like a top QB


genious

[CaliforniaChief]

My guess is that one of the teams ahead of KC in the draft order wants to push teams to trade up to their spot.

It's prime lying time. I just thought the tweet was interesting.

[KCUnited]

He was probably willing to take a team friendly deal until he read the Fisher to LT and Rishart (sp) Johnson to RG articles.

[Fish]

Alex Smiff sucks.

[Dunerdr]

Nothing should be taken serious right now it's all smoke screens.

[rico]

they traded 2 seconds for a guy they don't want to pay like a top QB


genious

Maybe they were just THAT desperate to stop the bleeding from the Cassel era, put butts back in the seats and rejuvenate the fan base for a couple years...and the years following with a long-awaited 1st round, long-term, home-grown QB...

[RealSNR]

Really, given the option of replacing Alex after two seasons in KC and just extending him to a fair deal that doesn't break the bank, I'd like to see us extend him.

But if that motherfucker wants to get overpaid, he can eat a bowl of cum and make sad puppy faces.

He's now on the north side of 30, and he's had a few concussions and a few other surgeries. Plus it's not like he... oh you know... won us a playoff game or anything.

We got him out of that shithole in San Francisco and paired him up with a QB's dream coach. He owes US; we don't owe him shitfuck other than a fair extension that doesn't break the bank for us.

If it's going to come down to an ugly standoff, then I sincerely invite him to go fuck himself. I hope he leaves.

[Mr. Laz]

Maybe they were just THAT desperate to stop the bleeding from the Cassel era, put butts back in the seats and rejuvenate the fan base for a couple years...and the years following with a long-awaited 1st round, long-term, home-grown QB...
seems like it

Clark Hunt told Reid and Dorsey that they could build the team as they wanted but that they must win last year.

now we are rebuilding

[Dragonocho]

Damn and the Browns locked up Tyler Thigpen already.

[The Franchise]

Evan Silva ‏@evansilva 7m

#Chiefs only have 1 pick in Top 85. My bet is they'll use that on an immediate starter rather than a QB, but *threatening* QB can't hurt.

[The Franchise]

Evan Silva ‏@evansilva 12m

The Alex Smith report reeks of #Chiefs trying to send that player's camp a message.

[In58men]

BEST NEWS EVER!!!!!!

[hometeam]

Its because he wants to get paid like a top QB. And chiefs want to pay him like he is who they thought he was. A middle of a road guy who has to have highly paid, highly skilled players around him to make shit happen. If we give him Jay Cutler money (aka stupid money) then we are fucked on money even harder so there is no point. He (his agent) will have to be reasonable :/

[Mr. Laz]

If negotiations are going really bad we might grab a QB in the 1st.


Draft a QB, trade Smith?

[Sure-Oz]

@ChrisHansenNFL: #Chiefs plan at QB could look a lot like the #49ers plan when they had Smith.

[In58men]

Its because he wants to get paid like a top QB. And chiefs want to pay him like he is who they thought he was. A middle of a road guy who has to have highly paid, highly skilled players around him to make shit happen. If we give him Jay Cutler money (aka stupid money) then we are ****ed on money even harder so there is no point. He (his agent) will have to be reasonable :/

Dorsey is probably looking at last seasons schedule and all the injured QB's we played against and said "does he deserve a big contract, lets wait".


Way to go Dorsey.

[rico]

If they go 1st round QB, I bet it's Murray or Carr....considering the availability of both.

[Hammock Parties]

We got him out of that shithole in San Francisco and paired him up with a QB's dream coach. He owes US; we don't owe him shitfuck other than a fair extension that doesn't break the bank for us.

If it's going to come down to an ugly standoff, then I sincerely invite him to go fuck himself. I hope he leaves.

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[MotherfuckerJones]

Draft one if there's the right QB at 23

[In58men]

Really, given the option of replacing Alex after two seasons in KC and just extending him to a fair deal that doesn't break the bank, I'd like to see us extend him.

But if that mother****er wants to get overpaid, he can eat a bowl of cum and make sad puppy faces.

He's now on the north side of 30, and he's had a few concussions and a few other surgeries. Plus it's not like he... oh you know... won us a playoff game or anything.

We got him out of that shithole in San Francisco and paired him up with a QB's dream coach. He owes US; we don't owe him shit**** other than a fair extension that doesn't break the bank for us.

If it's going to come down to an ugly standoff, then I sincerely invite him to go **** himself. I hope he leaves.

Well you know I am going to agree with this.

[Mr. Laz]

If they go 1st round QB, I bet it's Murray or Carr....considering the availability of both.

If they want Murray then they trade down out of the 1st.


Hearing rumors that Carr might be the 2nd QB taken.

[RealSNR]

If they go 1st round QB, I bet it's Murray or Carr....considering the availability of both.

I'd rather have Murray.

I see no reason why the clapping fuckface won't end up exactly like his brother in the NFL.

[In58men]

I'd rather have Murray.

I see no reason why the clapping ****face won't end up exactly like his brother in the NFL.


That's too high for Murray IMO.

[Sure-Oz]

@ChrisHansenNFL: #Chiefs clearly want someone to trade ahead of them for a QB so someone falls. Classic smoke.

[rico]

@ChrisHansenNFL: #Chiefs plan at QB could look a lot like the #49ers plan when they had Smith.

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[Chief Roundup]

If they go 1st round QB, I bet it's Murray or Carr....considering the availability of both.

Murray would be a huge reach. Now in the 3rd...

[philfree]

Wouldn't it be a huge reach to pick Murray in the 1st round?

Tom Condom is Smith's agent and living in KC and having played for KC always seems to want to put the screws to the Chiefs so I expect this to drag out.

[rico]

I'd rather have Murray.

I see no reason why the clapping ****face won't end up exactly like his brother in the NFL.

Oh, I agree. That's been the feeling I've had about him since I first learned David Carr had a brother....I just seem to keep hearing/reading that the Chiefs have been heavily linked to him.

I know Murray is projected to be a mid-round guy, but I would be ecstatic if we took him with our first pick and we let him sit and learn behind Smiff for a year, while we go into developmental mode and HOPEFULLY have a successful 2015 draft.

[rico]

Would it be a huge reach selecting Murray in the first round had he not torn his ACL? Until that point, the dude seemed to be a staple in the 1st round in 2014 mocks.

[RealSNR]

THE MOTHERFUCKER CLAPS FOR THE DAMN BALL

WHAT IN THE GODDAMN FUCK

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[loochy]

Would it be a huge reach selecting Murray in the first round had he not torn his ACL? Until that point, the dude seemed to be a staple in the 1st round in 2014 mocks.

id take an ACLd QB over a concussed QB

[rico]

IF Carr was available and we selected him, I bet Smiff would begin to hate the entire Carr family, considering he tripped over his dick so badly vs. the Eagles in 2010 to the point where the 49ers fans began chanting, "WE WANT CARR! WE WANT CARR! WE WANT CARR!" (For those who don't know, David Carr was his backup in 2010).

[The Franchise]

Murray in the 3rd? Fine. Murray in the 1st? Fuck that.

[rico]

THE MOTHER****ER CLAPS FOR THE DAMN BALL

WHAT IN THE GODDAMN ****

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ROFL

[loochy]

THE MOTHERFUCKER CLAPS FOR THE DAMN BALL

WHAT IN THE GODDAMN FUCK

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meh

some stomp their foot, some say "omaha" a bunch of times, some clap

:shrug:

[RealSNR]

meh

some stomp their foot, some say "omaha" a bunch of times, some clap

:shrug:

Yeah, some clap for the ball.

High school QBs and Derek Carr. That's it.

That shit is annoying.

[The Franchise]

I can't wait to watch this fan base freak out if we don't sign Smith and then draft a QB at 23.

[rico]

id take an ACLd QB over a concussed QB

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110317044305/beavisandbutthead/images/4/49/Beavis_uh-huh.jpg

"Hee-hee-hee-hee! Me too. Hee-hee-hee-hee!"

[Eleazar]

I think we should extend him for 3 years or so. I don't know about the dollars, but fair market for a top 3rd of the league QB won't be cheap.

I hope we extend him AND we draft a QB. Of course it would be irritating to hear Smith detractors turn into pimps for this other QB no matter who he is, but it would be good for the franchise I think.

[rico]

I can't wait to watch this fan base freak out if we don't sign Smith and then draft a QB at 23.

What side would you be on? The pro-Smith or the "finally, we drafted a 1st round QB for the first time since 1983" side? Well...I'm guessing it probably depends on the QB selected.

[BigBeauford]

This isn't true! Alex Smith just wanted a place where he could be the guy and loved by the fan base. I know he would definitely do a team friendly deal! /Alex Smith nuthuggers

[RealSNR]

I think we should extend him for 3 years or so. I don't know about the dollars, but fair market for a top 3rd of the league QB won't be cheap.

I hope we extend him AND we draft a QB. Of course it would be irritating to hear Smith detractors turn into pimps for this other QB no matter who he is, but it would be good for the franchise I think.

Sweet. Now I'm back into full Smith hate mode.

Go first round QB!

[rico]

Sweet. Now I'm back into full Smith hate mode.

Go first round QB!

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[The Franchise]

What side would you be on? The pro-Smith or the "finally, we drafted a 1st round QB for the first time since 1983" side? Well...I'm guessing it probably depends on the QB selected.

It depends. On one hand I'm pissed that we traded two 2nd round picks for 2 years of a QB who didn't win us shit. On the other hand....we finally drafted a QB of our own (depending on said QB). Bridgewater at #23? Sign me up.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

We aren't drafting a QB in the 1st after we just have up two 2nds for a one.

Jesus people.

[saphojunkie]

they traded 2 seconds for a guy they don't want to pay like a top QB


genious

What exactly do you think the cost is for a 20 mil a year QB? Because it's a fuckton more than 2 second rounders.

[keg in kc]

they traded 2 seconds for a guy they don't want to pay like a top QB


geniousI think I made an association a few years ago about how quarterbacks are like watches. The Chiefs want a Rolex in the worst way but they refuse to pay more than the cost of a Timex. And then they wonder why it never works out.

The strangest thing of all is how much more they value up-front money than draft picks, at least when it comes to throwing them away as a whim in trade. Or for linemen.

[Eleazar]

What exactly do you think the cost is for a 20 mil a year QB? Because it's a ****ton more than 2 second rounders.

Clark has plenty of money. He doesn't have plenty of draft picks.

[Predarat]

He wants Peyton Manning money when he is more of a Trent Dilfer +

[The Franchise]

At least Daniel would be gone if we did.

[keg in kc]

Oh, and I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you that they'd negotiate through the media!

Although I did expect more progress than this. I have a hunch they're trying to go well under market. We'll see what Condon's response to this is.

[rico]

At least Daniel would be gone if we did.

OMG, this.

[Mr. Laz]

We aren't drafting a QB in the 1st after we just have up two 2nds for a one.

Jesus people.

so they will give Alex Smith whatever he wants?

[BlackHelicopters]

No way we draft a QB in the first

[The Franchise]

Awesome scenario.

Draft a QB at #23.
Flip Smith to a team on draft day for a 2nd round pick. Say the Browns for their 2nd....which allows them to go WR and defense with their two 1st round picks.


I'll stop dreaming now.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

so they will give Alex Smith whatever he wants?

I dont think Alex is THAT guy...I think he knows what he's worth. He isn't going to ask to be the highest paid QB in the league.

He has a year left on his current deal, and then we can franchise him the following season. He knows that, and knows he came off one of his better seasons and that if the doesnt take the money now, he risks injury or a drop in his performance which would be reflected in any other contract offered down the road by us, or any other team.

Alex Smith does not have the leverage in this scenario.

We aren't drafting a QB in the first. Guranteed.

[rico]

so they will give Alex Smith whatever he wants?

Especially when we are presumably going to have to be throwing a bunch of money to extend Houston, Berry, Poe, etc. in the near to semi-near future...

[Marcellus]

I bet this whole thing was made up just to see the reaction on CP for the next 4 days.

[keg in kc]

Awesome scenario.

Draft a QB at #23.
Flip Smith to a team on draft day for a 2nd round pick.


I'll stop dreaming now.Yeah, a 2nd round pick for one year of Smith. There isn't another us out there dumb enough to do that.

[R8RFAN]

Smiff knows the Cheaps are Cheap

[Just Passin' By]

Days before the draft, a team hints it might take one of the 'falling' QBs in round one. It's almost as if the Chiefs are playing the same games that most of the other 31 teams do. :hmmm:

[rico]

Yeah, a 2nd round pick for one year of Smith. There isn't another us out there dumb enough to do that.

Well... the Browns...maybe?

[SeeingRed]

Awesome scenario.

Draft a QB at #23.
Flip Smith to a team on draft day for a 2nd round pick. Say the Browns for their 2nd....which allows them to go WR and defense with their two 1st round picks.


I'll stop dreaming now.

Hmmm, ok. So then we draft a QB rd 1, a WR rd 2? Not so bad i guess. My issue is that Smith was one of the best players we had last year....and without question. No way this team is a playoff team then.

[Lex Luthor]

Really, given the option of replacing Alex after two seasons in KC and just extending him to a fair deal that doesn't break the bank, I'd like to see us extend him.

But if that mother****er wants to get overpaid, he can eat a bowl of cum and make sad puppy faces.

He's now on the north side of 30, and he's had a few concussions and a few other surgeries. Plus it's not like he... oh you know... won us a playoff game or anything.

We got him out of that shithole in San Francisco and paired him up with a QB's dream coach. He owes US; we don't owe him shit**** other than a fair extension that doesn't break the bank for us.

If it's going to come down to an ugly standoff, then I sincerely invite him to go **** himself. I hope he leaves.

I've always like Alex Smith, and I completely agree with this. If a QB is going to Flacco us, he needs to win a Super Bowl first.

[Discuss Thrower]

Hmmm, ok. So then we draft a QB rd 1, a WR rd 2? Not so bad i guess. My issue is that Smith was one of the best players we had last year....and without question. No way this team is a playoff team then.

Chances are it isn't a playoff team with Alex this year anyway.

[tk13]

Since this is the Chiefs, watch us not sign him, then he goes out and plays like the playoff game all next season.

I think they'll get something done, but I don't think people give Dorsey and Reid enough credit. Neither one of them are Pioli. They both are from organizations that would let guys walk. I don't believe they'll treat him like Pioli did Cassel.

[R8RFAN]

I've always like Alex Smith, and I completely agree with this. If a QB is going to Flacco us, he needs to win a Super Bowl first.

Jesus could not bring a SB to KC as the QB ROFL

[ViperVisor]

They don't want a contract before the draft.

They want teams to think they could go QB in the 1st.

That means if you want 1 of the QBs you trade ahead of KC. Ipso Facto another player that is not a QB falls into the pool of what is available.

[keg in kc]

They don't want a contract before the draft.

They want teams to think they could go QB in the 1st.

That means if you want 1 of the QBs you trade ahead of KC. Ipso Facto another player that is not a QB falls into the pool of what is available.Possible.

However, playing it that way may limit KC's own ability to move, which I would assume is something they're considering. Teams jumping over them are teams not trading with them.

[loochy]

Jesus could not bring a SB to KC as the QB ROFL

That's because He's closer to a FB than a QB. He got kicked from the Broncos and Jets too.

[Just Passin' By]

Jesus could not bring a SB to KC as the QB ROFL

Jesus has a hard time gripping the football, what with the hand injuries and all.

[The Franchise]

Joe Germano ‏@JoeGerm16 18m

@TerezPaylor - it feels like the chiefs leaked this intentionally so a QB needy team will move up and the chiefs can collect extra picks

[Marcellus]

Jesus has a hard time gripping the football, what with the hand injuries and all.

Heh.

[Lzen]

THE MOTHER****ER CLAPS FOR THE DAMN BALL

WHAT IN THE GODDAMN ****

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Not impressed.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Move back and pick up Justin Lawrence...

[Mr. Laz]

I dont think Alex is THAT guy...I think he knows what he's worth. He isn't going to ask to be the highest paid QB in the league.

He has a year left on his current deal, and then we can franchise him the following season. He knows that, and knows he came off one of his better seasons and that if the doesnt take the money now, he risks injury or a drop in his performance which would be reflected in any other contract offered down the road by us, or any other team.

Alex Smith does not have the leverage in this scenario.

We aren't drafting a QB in the first. Guranteed.
you don't know whether Smith is asking big or not

He absolutely has leverage, we gave the 34 pick of the draft and another 2nd for him.

The.34th.pick....

two 2nd rounders for a guy on the bench .....


we got robbed on that trade so to not have the contract situation work out now would be disastrous. The Chiefs have to sign him or trade him for similar value or they look like shit. Alex Smith's agent knows this.

[Predarat]

Stop cock blocking, @TerezPaylor!

[Mr_Tomahawk]

you don't know whether Smith is asking big or not

He absolutely has leverage, we gave the 34 pick of the draft and another 2nd for him.

The.34th.pick....

two 2nd rounders for a guy on the bench .....


we got robbed on that trade so to not have the contract situation work out now would be disastrous. The Chiefs have to sign him or trade him for similar value or they look like shit. Alex Smith's agent knows this.

Why do we HAVE to sign him...? We have him under his current contract for another year. He could shit the bed next year.... We don't HAVE to do anything with him this year.

He can take what we are offering...or risk shitting the bed.

[The Franchise]

Why do we HAVE to sign him...? We have him under his current contract for another year. He could shit the bed next year.... We don't HAVE to do anything with him this year.

He can take what we are offering...or risk shitting the bed.

This.

[Mr. Laz]

Why do we HAVE to sign him...? We have him under his current contract for another year. He could shit the bed next year.... We don't HAVE to do anything with him this year.

He can take what we are offering...or risk shitting the bed.
Yes, we can wait until next year but that doesn't change anything about what i said. It just delays it a year.

[keg in kc]

you don't know whether Smith is asking big or notWhat we know is that Smith isn't involved at all, he's leaving it up to his agent. Who just happens to be Tom Condon. And I think we all understand what his history is when it comes to 'asking big or not'. Now maybe this one isn't playing out that way, anything's possible. But the fact the thing has stalled might indicate otherwise.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Yes, we can wait until next year but that doesn't change anything about what i said. It just delays it a year.

It changes everything you just said. We dont HAVE to sign him this year.

[RealSNR]

Jesus has a hard time gripping the football, what with the hand injuries and all.

He also doesn't work on Sundays

[Mr. Laz]

It changes everything you just said. We dont HAVE to sign him this year.

it only changes something if Alex Smith has a bad year

either way we have problems

Alex Smith looks bad and the Chiefs look like shit for trading for him

or

Alex Smith looks good and he has the Chief by the nutsack in negotiations


franchise tag $ for QBs is 16 million per this year

[RealSNR]

Since this is the Chiefs, watch us not sign him, then he goes out and plays like the playoff game all next season.

I think they'll get something done, but I don't think people give Dorsey and Reid enough credit. Neither one of them are Pioli. They both are from organizations that would let guys walk. I don't believe they'll treat him like Pioli did Cassel.

They're already not treating him like Cassel. They didn't immediately extend him before he played one regular season snap with the team.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

it only changes something if Alex Smith has a bad year

either way we have problems

Alex Smith looks bad and the Chiefs look like shit for trading for him

or

Alex Smith looks good and he has the Chief by the nutsack in negotiations


franchise tag $ for QBs is 16 million per this year

I either of your scenarios...

We have the leverage RIGHT NOW.

[Mr. Laz]

I either of your scenarios...

We have the leverage RIGHT NOW.

not really

we only have leverage if Smith think he is going to shit the bed next year

[DaWolf]

Dorsey sure likes to bitch about agent-related things to Rapoport a lot...

[BossChief]

Tony Romo
Matt Stafford
Peyton Manning
Eli manning
Drew Brees
Matt Ryan
Jay Cutler

Those are some of the quarterbacks Tom Condon represents.

Basically the list of the highest paid nfl quarterbacks in the nfl.

[RealSNR]

Tony Romo
Matt Stafford
Peyton Manning
Eli manning
Drew Brees
Matt Ryan
Jay Cutler

Those are some of the quarterbacks Tom Condon represents.

Basically the list of the highest paid nfl quarterbacks in the nfl.

Welcome to Cleveland, Alex

[BossChief]

Joe Germano ‏@JoeGerm16 18m

@TerezPaylor - it feels like the chiefs leaked this intentionally so a QB needy team will move up and the chiefs can collect extra picks
That doesn't make sense.
it only changes something if Alex Smith has a bad year

either way we have problems

Alex Smith looks bad and the Chiefs look like shit for trading for him

or

Alex Smith looks good and he has the Chief by the nutsack in negotiations


franchise tag $ for QBs is 16 million per this yearstill better than paying him more than that per year on average in a new deal.

not really

we only have leverage if Smith think he is going to shit the bed next year
You should check out our schedule

[RealSNR]

Before the era of the $100 million QB, Trent Green got paid pretty handsomely thanks to Condon.

[Mr. Laz]

You should check out our schedule
if Smith is asking for huge money then we might as well wait.

I've been saying just wait since we first traded for him.


but next year is crunch time

[Eleazar]

It could be a smokescreen.

However, it would be WAY more Chiefs-like to go into the draft without an Alex Smith extension being done, see no QB they want fall down to them, and pass - thus turning all the leverage back over to Smith.

[Mr. Laz]

It could be a smokescreen.

However, it would be WAY more Chiefs-like to go into the draft without an Alex Smith extension being done, see no QB they want fall down to them, and pass - thus turning all the leverage back over to Smith.

this has the potential to go very,very badly

[DaWolf]

That Cutler contract really screwed us over in regards to QB numbers...

[keg in kc]

if Smith is asking for huge money then we might as well wait.

I've been saying just wait since we first traded for him.


but next year is crunch timeThey can hem and haw all they want but the reality is that they painted themselves into a corner the second(s) they traded for him last year. Failing to extend him for any reason (including drafting someone at 23) instantly turns it into one of the worst high-profile trades on record.

Beyond that, I'm not sure it's even worth getting into a discussion about the possibility of him playing poorly enough in 2014 to make his price tag cheaper. That's a scenario that can't really be seen as a positive from any conceivable angle. Congratulations, you traded a pair of 2nds for a bad QB who you can now afford to pay for another 4 or 5 years of mediocre play? How is that any kind of a win?

[RunKC]

People can't see the signs? It's the week of the draft. This kinda stuff always comes out. It could mean several things.

This could be a message to one of the teams looking to trade up to get the QB telling them we aren't afraid to take one unless they offer us something.

Having said that, if this is true, I can see Derek Carr being the pick if he's there.

[rico]

Not giving Smith an extension would give him incentive to play his ass of next year for a big, lucrative contract...whether it be with the Chiefs or whoever. If he doesn't get extended and does, in fact play his ass off, that would justify what we would have to pay him via franchise tag.

[BigMeatballDave]

I like Alex, but if Condon is asking for the moon, I'd definitely take a QB and let him walk next year.

[Chiefnj2]

Cassel, thigpen and VY are all still getting interest in the NFL. Someone is going to pay Smith. It might as well be the team that gave up two 2nds for him and whose system fits him perfectly. Andy Reid likes a conservative offense that spreads it around. Get visions of a gunslinger to Megatron out of your head.

[rico]

That Cutler contract really screwed us over in regards to QB numbers...

Hopefully Dorsey is the GM that steps up to Condon all like:

http://www.cinemablend.com/images/sections/6548/twisted_sister_6548.jpg

"We're not gonna take it, anymore!!!!"

And breaks this stupid "overpaying expendable QB's" trend.

[KC native]

If Alex leaves, does that mean the 49er fans will leave too?

If so, GTFO ALEX!

[rico]

If Alex leaves, does that mean the 49er fans will leave too?

If so, GTFO ALEX!

ROFL

[rico]

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[BossChief]

Geno Smith looked pretty good closing out the year 3-1 and with the second highest QBR in the nfl during that span.

I'm just saying.

It sure would be nice to have a quarterback with the physical tools and a year in the system...as well as our second round pick back...

[TEX]

I like Alex, but if Condon is asking for the moon, I'd definitely take a QB and let him walk next year.

I agree, but it just sucks that the Chiefs arent gonna build on last season and would have wasted 2 seasons and two #2's on Alex. Condon is a tough agent.

[TEX]

Geno Smith looked pretty good closing out the year 3-1 and with the second highest QBR in the nfl during that span.

I'm just saying.

It sure would be nice to have a quarterback with the physical tools and a year in the system...as well as our second round pick back...

So good that the Jets signed Vick and are thinking about going QB this year too in later rounds...:hmmm: Id stay as far away from Geno Smith as possible. Just my opinion though.

[TEX]

People can't see the signs? It's the week of the draft. This kinda stuff always comes out. It could mean several things.

This could be a message to one of the teams looking to trade up to get the QB telling them we aren't afraid to take one unless they offer us something.

Having said that, if this is true, I can see Derek Carr being the pick if he's there.

Yep. But Carr is as dumb as they come. Dude scored a 20 on the Wonderlic and dont know how he even managed that.

[jd1020]

Yep. But Carr is as dumb as they come. Dude scored a 20 on the Wonderlic and dont know how he even managed that.

Who the **** uses the Wonderlic as a source for picking a winner?

Dan Marino scored a 15.

Peyton Manning scored a 28.

Blaine Gabbert scored a 42.

[BossChief]

if Smith is asking for huge money then we might as well wait.

I've been saying just wait since we first traded for him.


but next year is crunch time
If he performs well against the schedule we face in 2014, give him big money.

He will have earned it.
So good that the Jets signed Vick and are thinking about going QB this year too in later rounds...:hmmm: Id stay as far away from Geno Smith as possible. Just my opinion though.
Vick was told "this is Genos team"

[Jimmya]

I agree, let's see what he does this season.

[In58men]

I'd rather have Geno than Alexis

[Cmd'r&Chief]

they traded 2 seconds for a guy they don't want to pay like a top QB


genious

Genius

[RealSNR]

I'd rather have Alecxih than Alex

[Cmd'r&Chief]

I'd rather have Geno than Alexis

You're crazy. Geno is a no go

[The Franchise]

You're crazy. Geno is a no go

So Eric Fisher is a bust then.....right?

[Titty Meat]

So Eric Fisher is a bust then.....right?

Eric Fisher was one of the worst first overall picks ever. If they draft a QB he better be good or Dorsey secures a hot seat. Between the terrible contracts given out and drafting Fisher I havent been impressed with the guy.

[Cmd'r&Chief]

So Eric Fisher is a bust then.....right?

I feel the 2 are only comparable if Geno was also playing at a different position then was used to, with multiple injuries.

[BigMeatballDave]

they traded 2 seconds for a guy they don't want to pay like a top QB


genious

What just a minute.

So, if they don't pay him, they're stupid.

If they pay him like a top 10 QB, they are also stupid?

A bit of a conundrum.

I just think people like to complain.

[KC native]

I feel the 2 are only comparable if Geno was also playing at a different position then was used to, with multiple injuries.

ROFL Holy fucking shit. Someone actually typed this.

[Titty Meat]

What just a minute.

So, if they don't pay him, they're stupid.

If they pay him like a top 10 QB, they are also stupid?

A bit of a conundrum.

I just think people like to complain.

When is it ever a good idea to trade two 2nds for a rental?

[The Franchise]

I feel the 2 are only comparable if Geno was also playing at a different position then was used to, with multiple injuries.

Eric Fisher can do no wrong......gotcha.

[the Talking Can]

What just a minute.

So, if they don't pay him, they're stupid.

If they pay him like a top 10 QB, they are also stupid?

A bit of a conundrum.

I just think people like to complain.

huh?

you don't trade 2 seconds for a QB you aren't prepared to pay for...the idea that we have leverage is hilarious, all we have is a sunk cost

[BigMeatballDave]

Eric Fisher was one of the worst first overall picks ever.

Original.

This has never been posted on the Planet. Ever.

[Cmd'r&Chief]

ROFL Holy fucking shit. Someone actually typed this.

What's your point? Are you saying we should ignore the fact that Fisher played a different position and had various injuries?

[RealSNR]

What just a minute.

So, if they don't pay him, they're stupid.

If they pay him like a top 10 QB, they are also stupid?

A bit of a conundrum.

I just think people like to complain.

That's the problem inherent in paying so high of a price for a near 30-year old QB.

The trial period for evaluation isn't long enough, and the money you pay for a new contract is almost always going to be too high.

[Titty Meat]

Original.

This has never been posted on the Planet. Ever.

Are you here to discuss football or bitch about peoples post?

[HemiEd]

People can't see the signs? It's the week of the draft. This kinda stuff always comes out. It could mean several things.

This could be a message to one of the teams looking to trade up to get the QB telling them we aren't afraid to take one unless they offer us something.

Having said that, if this is true, I can see Derek Carr being the pick if he's there.

This thread is comedy gold. People are actually talking like there is a chance the Chiefs would spend a first on a QB!ROFLROFLROFLROFL

Do you really think there is one single NFL GM that thinks the Chiefs would take a QB in the first? A single NFL owner? ROFLROFLROFLROFL

[Cmd'r&Chief]

Eric Fisher can do no wrong......gotcha.

Did I run over your dog, or do you have a hard-on for Geno? Gay 4 Bray or gtfo.

[the Talking Can]

I feel the 2 are only comparable if Geno was also playing at a different position then was used to, with multiple injuries.

i feel a hammer repeatedly struck you in the head

the #1 pick in the draft was a worthless, injured piece of shit last year

a QB drafted in the 2nd round won 8 games

ergo, Fisher was the smart, safe play - chiefs fans

[The Franchise]

This thread is comedy gold. People are actually talking like there is a chance the Chiefs would spend a first on a QB!ROFLROFLROFLROFL

Do you really think there is one single NFL GM that thinks the Chiefs would take a QB in the first? A single NFL owner? ROFLROFLROFLROFL

Our QBs are Alex Smith (with 1 year left on his deal and negotiations not progressing), Chase Daniel (who is overpaid) and Tyler Bray (an UDFA). Why wouldn't we?

[The Franchise]

Did I run over your dog, or do you have a hard-on for Geno? Gay 4 Bray or gtfo.

Yeah....let's not draft a QB because we signed an UDFA.

[RealSNR]

What's your point? Are you saying we should ignore the fact that Fisher played a different position and had various injuries?

1. The different position garbage is bullshit. Dudes switch sides all the time and make it work better than Fisher did. Hell, look at Donald Stephenson, who has had to play RT or LT at the drop of a hat for the past 2 seasons. He seems to make it work a lot better than Fisher has.

2. You're ignoring that one player is a QB and the other is an offensive lineman. There's a LIIIIIITTLE bit of a difference between the two in terms of difficulty and the success rate among rookies.

[HemiEd]

Our QBs are Alex Smith (with 1 year left on his deal and negotiations not progressing), Chase Daniel (who is overpaid) and Tyler Bray (an UDFA). Why wouldn't we?

We are the Chiefs and we don't spend 1st round picks on QBs, we trade for other teams rejects. We failed at the best QB draft class ever, 1983 and we haven't tried in the 31 years since. It is too risky.

[RealSNR]

Our QBs are Alex Smith (with 1 year left on his deal and negotiations not progressing), Chase Daniel (who is overpaid) and Tyler Bray (an UDFA). Why wouldn't we?

We wouldn't because the Chiefs will never draft a QB in the first round.

We SHOULD, but we won't.

[Cmd'r&Chief]

i feel a hammer repeatedly struck you in the head

the #1 pick in the draft was a worthless, injured piece of shit last year

a QB drafted in the 2nd round won 8 games

ergo, Fisher was the smart, safe play - chiefs fans

So you would be happier if we spent our first round pick on a QB who only barely has a 50% success rate?

We would be stuck with Geno for a minimum of 3 years too. Because you have to "allow him to develop".

Geno was selected where he was deserving, he's lucky he wasn't a 3rd round pick really.

The QB class sucked last year, get over it. Quit trying to make a diamond out of dried up dog shit.

[BigMeatballDave]

Are you here to discuss football or bitch about peoples post?

You are parroting what others have said a 1000 times.

The Fisher pick sucks. Earthshattering.

If a shrink spent any amount of time here, he'd have most of us committed.

[HemiEd]

We wouldn't because the Chiefs will never draft a QB in the first round.

We SHOULD, but we won't.

Exactly, and it sucks but the proof is in the evidence.

[Cmd'r&Chief]

Yeah....let's not draft a QB because we signed an UDFA.

When the Fuck did I say we shouldn't draft a QB this year?

[RealSNR]

So you would be happier if we spent our first round pick on a QB who only barely has a 50% success rate?

We would be stuck with Geno for a minimum of 3 years too. Because you have to "allow him to develop".

Geno was selected where he was deserving, he's lucky he wasn't a 3rd round pick really.

The QB class sucked last year, get over it. Quit trying to make a diamond out of dried up dog shit.

That's the point. We're running out on Alex's contract. He needs a new one. Apparently Condon is being a stupid whore and wants way too much money. The Chiefs value the futures of Eric Berry, Justin Houston, and Dontari Poe on this team more than they do Alex Smith. And they should. Alex getting a Cutler contract outright prevents us from keeping all three of those players, and it likely will only allow us to keep one, if that.

Geno taking this team to 8-8 would have been the huge improvement we were looking for, and we wouldn't be in this position right now with contract negotiations.

The Chiefs can still come out of this smelling like roses if Alex doesn't take a step back this year and they manage to get him extended for the right price. If they don't, then the problem goes back to the decision to trade for him in the first place, particularly regarding the pricetag that the Niners wanted for him

[Cmd'r&Chief]

That's the point. We're running out on Alex's contract. He needs a new one. Apparently Condon is being a stupid whore and wants way too much money. The Chiefs value the futures of Eric Berry, Justin Houston, and Dontari Poe on this team more than they do Alex Smith. And they should. Alex getting a Cutler contract outright prevents us from keeping all three of those players, and it likely will only allow us to keep one, if that.

Geno taking this team to 8-8 would have been the huge improvement we were looking for, and we wouldn't be in this position right now with contract negotiations.

If we had drafted "he's only half bad 'Geno Smith", would we be able to consider a QB in this year's draft? No go on Geno.

If Alex Smith is asking for a ridiculous deal, let his dumb ass walk.

[In58men]

@getnickwright: Random #Chiefs take: If Bridgewater is available, and KC doesn't take him, and instead signs Alex Smith to an extension, I might give up.

[Titty Meat]

@getnickwright: Random #Chiefs take: If Bridgewater is available, and KC doesn't take him, and instead signs Alex Smith to an extension, I might give up.

Good.

[HemiEd]

That's the point. We're running out on Alex's contract. He needs a new one. Apparently Condon is being a stupid whore and wants way too much money. The Chiefs value the futures of Eric Berry, Justin Houston, and Dontari Poe on this team more than they do Alex Smith. And they should. Alex getting a Cutler contract outright prevents us from keeping all three of those players, and it likely will only allow us to keep one, if that.

Geno taking this team to 8-8 would have been the huge improvement we were looking for, and we wouldn't be in this position right now with contract negotiations.

The Chiefs can still come out of this smelling like roses if Alex doesn't take a step back this year and they manage to get him extended for the right price. If they don't, then the problem goes back to the decision to trade for him in the first place, particularly regarding the pricetag that the Niners wanted for him
Didn't Carl Peterson used to at least consider who a player's agent was prior to making a deal?
Everyone knows Condons reputation, especially with the Chiefs.

[WhawhaWhat]

@getnickwright: Random #Chiefs take: If Bridgewater is available, and KC doesn't take him, and instead signs Alex Smith to an extension, I might give up.

That's like saying If Nick Wright came back to KC, I am going to smash my radio. Just because he's there doesn't mean there aren't other options available.

[CoMoChief]

Aaron Murray 3rd rd.

Bank on it.

[Dayze]

we have as much chance of taking a QB in the 1st as i do becoming a vegetarian.

[The Franchise]

Appearing on ESPN's*NFL Insiders*Monday, Chris Mortensen called Fresno State QB Derek Carr "a name you hear affiliated" with the Chiefs.

It comes on the heels of NFL Network's report that the Chiefs will consider a quarterback at No. 23. Mort hinted the Chiefs could be eyeing someone like Carr in a trade down, perhaps to the second round. It's possible this is just a leverage play from the Chiefs in the Alex Smith talks, but Andy Reid has often had a second- or third-round quarterback to develop. It would be sensible behind Smith in Kansas City.

[OldSchool]

Lol, welcome to a 4-12 season in 2015 if this happens.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

I am fine with Carr.

I think people associate him too much with his brother. He is as different from his brother as Aaron Rodgers is from Jordan...

Next to Logan Thomas, he has one of the biggest arms in this draft...

[The Franchise]

I am fine with Carr.

I think people associate him too much with his brother. He is as different from his brother as Aaron Rodgers is from Jordan...

Next to Logan Thomas, he has one of the biggest arms in this draft...

What happens if we draft Carr and then they bring in David Carr to be the #3 and Bray is cut?

[Mr_Tomahawk]

What happens if we draft Carr and then they bring in David Carr to be the #3 and Bray is cut?

Naw...we get rid of butt-chin's silly contract and Tomahawk loves our QB depth.

[Discuss Thrower]

http://i.imgur.com/MbLTDsL.png

[RealSNR]

Lol, welcome to a 4-12 season in 2015 if this happens.

Seriously? :spock:

We draft a QB this year and let Alex walk after 2014. Said rookie has had a year on the bench and takes over. Andy Reid is his coach, and he's got Jamaal Charles.

That = 4-12?

I like Alex Smith too, but you're drastically overselling his importance to this team.

[Fish]

Lol, welcome to a 4-12 season in 2015 if this happens.

Drafting QBs is scary! WHAT IF WE LOSE GAMES??

[KC native]

I like Alex Smith too, but you're drastically overselling his importance to this team.

No. Alex Smith is Jesus's step brother. He is our savior, our messiah, OUR MORMON.

[RunKC]

If we got Derek Carr in a trade down and accumulated more picks that's a fucking win

[MotherfuckerJones]

Smiff knows the Cheaps are Cheap

Keep signing over the hill veterans as always

[The Franchise]

If we got Derek Carr in a trade down and accumulated more picks that's a fucking win

Yeah...but in what scenario is that going to happen?

[hometeam]

Jamaal Charles makes any QB better. A lot better. Smith is replaceable, you people act like a middle of the road guy cant be replaced? And he has only been middle of the road for the past couple of years, before that he has shown propensity for injury and suckage.

Let him go if he wont re-sign at a middle of the road contract. Condon 'set the market' with Cutler for way too much for a pedestrian QB. Lets not get fleeced like Chicago.

[Discuss Thrower]

If we got Derek Carr in a trade down and accumulated more picks that's a fucking win

Thing is I don't think a trade down is possible unless KC is willing to get hosed in value.

Giving up 1.23 for anything less than a 2.1 - 2.16 and a 2.23 - 3.10 isn't worth it IMHO.

[MotherfuckerJones]

This is just smokescreen shit. It's the chiefs. They'll bend over for Smith. Pass on a QB like always

[The Franchise]

Thing is I don't think a trade down is possible unless KC is willing to get hosed in value.

Giving up 1.23 for anything less than a 2.1 - 2.16 and a 2.23 - 3.10 isn't worth it IMHO.

I'm not seeing a scenario in which we would be able to trade down AND still draft Carr.

[Chief Roundup]

@getnickwright: Random #Chiefs take: If Bridgewater is available, and KC doesn't take him, and instead signs Alex Smith to an extension, I might give up.

Bye

[BeeHo]

trade him up while he's cheap!

[rico]

Derek Carr says teams tell him they’d like to pick him in the 20s

Posted by Michael David Smith on May 4, 2014, 7:47 PM EDT


Former Fresno State quarterback Derek Carr says teams are telling him they’d like to draft him somewhere with a pick in the 20s on Thursday night.

One team with a pick in the 20s in this year’s draft, Cleveland at No. 26, is reportedly interested in Carr. But the team that picks Carr might be a team that trades into the pick: According to John Clayton of ESPN, Carr says four or five teams have told him they would like to trade into the 20s to draft him.

It wouldn’t be surprising to see a team with a high second-round pick trade up into the 20s to take Carr there. The new Collective Bargaining Agreement makes drafting a player in the late first round preferable to the early second round in one key respect: First-round picks have fifth-year options on their contracts, whereas second-round picks become free agents after four years. That means that if Carr develops into a franchise quarterback, the team that drafts him gets an extra year before having to break the bank to lock him up with a long-term extension. (With Colin Kaepernick wanting $18 million a year or more on his next deal, San Francisco may wish it had traded up and taken him late in the first round of the 2011 NFL draft, instead of trading up to take him early in the second, so that it would have a fifth-year option on his rookie deal.)

Carr’s stock seems to be rising as the draft approaches, and there’s now a lot of talk that he’ll be drafted higher than former Louisville quarterback Teddy Bridgewater. There’s a good chance that after Johnny Manziel and Blake Bortles, Carr will be the third quarterback off the board, perhaps in the late first round.

[Chief Roundup]

Thing is I don't think a trade down is possible unless KC is willing to get hosed in value.

Giving up 1.23 for anything less than a 2.1 - 2.16 and a 2.23 - 3.10 isn't worth it IMHO.

Wow lets not get ridiculous with our demands or anything. You must not want to trade down with thinking that pick has that kind of value.

According to the chart the 1.23 is worth less in points than the 2.1 and 3.10. So thinking that you can get both of those other 2cds is not likely. Maybe if you drop the 3rd rounder they might give a little extra and give the 2.23, but there is going to have to be a particular player that team wants.

[saphojunkie]

If we re-sign Smith, it will be Aaron Murray in the 4th.

If we don't... welcome to Kansas City, Jimmy Garoppolo.

[The Franchise]

Our best bet is someone like the Vikings or Jaguars wanting to trade back into the 1st to get him.

[suzzer99]

This has to be just posturing. This is a dream job for Smith. He'd be a moron to start all over somewhere.

[Discuss Thrower]

Wow lets not get ridiculous with our demands or anything. You must not want to trade down with thinking that pick has that kind of value.

According to the chart the 1.23 is worth less in points than the 2.1 and 3.10. So thinking that you can get both of those other 2cds is not likely. Maybe if you drop the 3rd rounder they might give a little extra and give the 2.23, but there is going to have to be a particular player that team wants.

I think you can disregard the draft chart with the depth this class has. You can semantically conceptualize it anyway you want, but I think that this year the quality of players available gives the early second round slots first round value.

[Chief Roundup]

I think you can disregard the draft chart with the depth this class has. You can semantically conceptualize it anyway you want, but I think that this year the quality of players available gives the early second round slots first round value.

So then you think the difference between the quality of players will be minimal but want compensation as if there was a huge drop off.

[saphojunkie]

I think you can disregard the draft chart with the depth this class has. You can semantically conceptualize it anyway you want, but I think that this year the quality of players available gives the early second round slots first round value.

That's exactly the point. No one is giving up that much value for the #23 pick.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Joe Germano ‏@JoeGerm16 18m

@TerezPaylor - it feels like the chiefs leaked this intentionally so a QB needy team will move up and the chiefs can collect extra picks

The QB needy team in this scenario would be looking to get AHEAD of the Chiefs, not trade WITH them.

This Paylor guy is a dumbass.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Our best bet is someone like the Vikings or Jaguars wanting to trade back into the 1st to get him.

According to Jason LaConfora, the Rams and Vikings have discussed a Sam Bradford trade.

[TEX]

I think you can disregard the draft chart with the depth this class has. You can semantically conceptualize it anyway you want, but I think that this year the quality of players available gives the early second round slots first round value.

Yep. I heard dome draft talking head today say its about 40 deep with 1st round level talent compared to 25 or so last year.

[TEX]

@getnickwright: Random #Chiefs take: If Bridgewater is available, and KC doesn't take him, and instead signs Alex Smith to an extension, I might give up.

Why? Bridgewater is the LAST one of the so-called better QB's Id want.

[saphojunkie]

Why? Bridgewater is the LAST one of the so-called better QB's Id want.

Who is ahead of him for you?

[RealSNR]

According to Jason LaConfora, the Rams and Vikings have discussed a Sam Bradford trade.

The Vikings re-signed Cassel for 2 years, 10 million. If they're now trying to acquire Bradford, I wonder if Cassel isn't a part of the deal. They are also paying 1.7 million to Ponder. That's a lot of dough to be spending on shitty QBs.

I wonder if Cassel would get traded to the Rams in that proposed deal. Something like the Vikings swap Cassel for Bradford and also throw in a mid-round pick. St. Louis then drafts their QB at #2 and hold an open competition in training camp for the starting job.

Otherwise it just doesn't make much sense for the Vikings to acquire Bradford. They need to draft another QB. They don't need a guy who is barely better than what they have on their roster right now.

[RunKC]

Our best bet is someone like the Vikings or Jaguars wanting to trade back into the 1st to get him.

Agreed. Snag a 3rd and 5th round pick to go along with that early 2nd

[KCSLC2008]

@ChrisHansenNFL: #Chiefs plan at QB could look a lot like the #49ers plan when they had Smith.

This is why Smith hasn't signed. He's not stupid. He'll sign a big contract now, a team friendly contract if we don't pick high, and play this year out if we do.

@ChrisHansenNFL: #Chiefs clearly want someone to trade ahead of them for a QB so someone falls. Classic smoke.

Philadelphia wants a WR. Make someone trade with the Eagles, we have another WR option drop to us. Chiefs aren't sending a message they aren't confident in Smith so that they can get a QB. If they did want to, they'd be talking up WRs or say nothing and get their guy.

[TEX]

Who is ahead of him for you?

Manziel, Bortles, Carr, Geroppolo (sp?) are all ahead of Bridgewater IMO. Not 100% positive Id draft Geroppolo ahead of him but absolutely certain I would the first 3 on this list.

[Easy 6]

This has to be just posturing. This is a dream job for Smith. He'd be a moron to start all over somewhere.

.

[RealSNR]

This is why Smith hasn't signed. He's not stupid. He'll sign a big contract now, a team friendly contract if we don't pick high, and play this year out if we do.


What's to stop Condon from seeing absolutely nothing behind Smith on the depth chart and then saying, "You can have my client for this amount of money or you can have Chase Daniel. Your choice."

[saphojunkie]

What's to stop Condon from seeing absolutely nothing behind Smith on the depth chart and then saying, "You can have my client for this amount of money or you can have Chase Daniel. Your choice."

"You can start for the Chiefs or play one year and go to the Raiders."

[jd1020]

What's to stop Condon from seeing absolutely nothing behind Smith on the depth chart and then saying, "You can have my client for this amount of money or you can have Chase Daniel. Your choice."

Nothing.

Do it Condon! I ****ing triple dog dare you! DO IT!

EDIT: I take that back. Dorsey would probably cave like a bitch. DONT DO IT!

[rico]

What's to stop Condon from seeing absolutely nothing behind Smith on the depth chart and then saying, "You can have my client for this amount of money or you can have Chase Daniel. Your choice."

Speaking of Daniel, who is HIS agent???

[saphojunkie]

Speaking of Daniel, who is HIS agent???

Judging by his last contract, I'd say it was Satan himself.

[Fat Elvis]

What's to stop Condon from seeing absolutely nothing behind Smith on the depth chart and then saying, "You can have my client for this amount of money or you can have Chase Daniel. Your choice."

Unleash the dragon

[baitism]

I am indifferent to him. We aren't winning a super bowl with him at QB, so I don't really care if he leaves.

[Red Dawg]

You'd think he would thrilled to be here and sign a reasonable deal that is team friendly. He would have been sitting his ass on the bench if not for us. I can roll with Bray in year three.

[Discuss Thrower]

Speaking of Daniel, who is HIS agent???

This guy:

[rico]

Which draft prospects are being represented by Condon this year?

[Discuss Thrower]

Which draft prospects are being represented by Condon this year?

Haven't figured that out, but he also reps Dontari Poe...

[rico]

Haven't figured that out, but he also reps Dontari Poe...

:hmmm:

[Rausch]

You'd think he would thrilled to be here and sign a reasonable deal that is team friendly. He would have been sitting his ass on the bench if not for us. I can roll with Bray in year three.

I'd laugh my ass off if after we all threw a fit with not drafting a QB last year they actually do this year with a better crop of QB's to choose from...:D

[saphojunkie]

I'd laugh my ass off if after we all threw a fit with not drafting a QB last year they actually do this year with a better crop of QB's to choose from...:D

Then we trade Alex Smith to Jacksonville for two second round picks.

[Rausch]

Then we trade Alex Smith to Jacksonville for two second round picks.

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/272710814/b00f_spl00ge_t200.jpg

[ThaVirus]

I'm a bit late to the party and I'm not reading through all this bullshit; but if we're talking about trading Smith, I don't see why we couldn't get a 1st for him.

I bet a team like the Browns with a late first that's hard up for solid QB play would definitely pull the trigger.

[KCSLC2008]

What's to stop Condon from seeing absolutely nothing behind Smith on the depth chart and then saying, "You can have my client for this amount of money or you can have Chase Daniel. Your choice."

I'm not a big Bray guy, but Bray?

I think Smith will fight for length and guaranteed. The average could be low if the guaranteed is high. Smith was reportedly upset that his last contract took so long, but it turned out to be dragging feet for Manning (same agent as Smith). Agent knew of the interest from SF. They changed the structure of the contract offer after Manning chose Denver.

[jd1020]

I'm a bit late to the party and I'm not reading through all this bullshit; but if we're talking about trading Smith, I don't see why we couldn't get a 1st for him.

Unfortunately for the Chiefs, they wouldn't gain anything by trading with themselves.

[notorious]

Won Indy Playoff game = Must have Smith back

Lost Playoff game = Don't give a fuck


Even though he played great, this is what I am thinking now.

[Saccopoo]

Won Indy Playoff game = Must have Smith back

He basically did win that game.

Lost Playoff game = Don't give a ****

Then your boys on the chopping block should be Houston, Hali, Berry, Johnson, Poe, etc., because it was the defense that basically shit the money bed in that game. Our vaunted pass rushing linebackers and All-Pro nose tackle didn't do jack shit against a Colts offensive line that was abused all season. They got their collective asses kicked by a bunch of tomato cans.

You want to not give a shit, then there is where you can start not giving a shit versus the quarterback that basically shouldered the team for the whole game even when the team's best offensive weapon (Charles) went out with injury.

Even though he played great, this is what I am thinking now.

Your thought process needs to be reassessed.

[notorious]

Offseason. My Give-a-fuck level is at it's lowest point right now.

[Ragged Robin]

Who cares, he's still under contract. If it doesn't happen this offseason and he plays well then it will happen next season. If he has success this year I highly doubt he would sign anywhere else. It might drive his price up but he wouldn't go anywhere.

[ThaVirus]

Unfortunately for the Chiefs, they wouldn't gain anything by trading with themselves.


You'd have to imagine another shitty franchise would be willing to drop a late 1st for some stability at the QB position. Maybe next year's first.

[Dave Lane]

not really

we only have leverage if Smith think he is going to shit the bed next year

16 million per is less than what Smith wants.

[Dave Lane]

Offseason. My Give-a-**** level is at it's lowest point right now.

Mine may be negative at the moment.

[tk13]

Won Indy Playoff game = Must have Smith back

Lost Playoff game = Don't give a ****


Even though he played great, this is what I am thinking now.

This is the same kind of thinking as people blaming Trent Green for losing the playoff game against the Colts. If Green and Smith got to play against the Chiefs defense, you wouldn't be making this post.

[mcaj22]

I mean they have to get at least ONE extension done between Houston and Smith. If they go through the season playing hardball and don't get at least one done and have 2 guys for 1 franchise tag, holy **** I don't want to be the person having to make that decision. And I'd honestly probably tag Houston and let Smith walk.

[Deberg_1990]

This is the same kind of thinking as people blaming Trent Green for losing the playoff game against the Colts. If Green and Smith got to play against the Chiefs defense, you wouldn't be making this post.

Agreed. Just as an example, Russel Wilson won a playoff game where he was basically horrible the entire game. 9/18 for 108 yards I think?

Team game. there are a ton of intangibles that go into winning a game.
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[Rausch]

He basically did win that game.



Then your boys on the chopping block should be Houston, Hali, Berry, Johnson, Poe, etc., because it was the defense that basically shit the money bed in that game.

The front 7 didn't lose that game.

And right now Houston is our MVP on defense...

[SeeingRed]

The front 7 didn't lose that game.

And right now Houston is our MVP on defense...

no Johnson is

[Rausch]

I mean they have to get at least ONE extension done between Houston and Smith.

I don't care if anyone gets an extension done other than Houston.

He is, by far, the most COMPLETE OLB in the NFL.

Bar none.

He's excellent in coverage, rushing the passer, and tackling.

In his pass rush he's not a 1 trick pony like Hali. He's got the strength to emasculate T's and FB's.

He's a fucking clinic on what you need to do to be a successful 3-4 OLB...

[Hammock Parties]

as usual we're being trolled by our own team during the offseason

OH LOOK DORSEY AND REID ARE PAYING SUCH CLOSE ATTENTION TO GENO

[SeeingRed]

I don't care if anyone gets an extension done other than Houston.

He is, by far, the most COMPLETE OLB in the NFL.

Bar none.

He's excellent in coverage, rushing the passer, and tackling.

In his pass rush he's not a 1 trick pony like Hali. He's got the strength to emasculate T's and FB's.

He's a ****ing clinic on what you need to do to be a successful 3-4 OLB...

Agreed he is a key piece on this defense...no doubt

[RealSNR]

This is the same kind of thinking as people blaming Trent Green for losing the playoff game against the Colts. If Green and Smith got to play against the Chiefs defense, you wouldn't be making this post.

That doesn't change the fact that Condon is asking for way too much money for his client. And we honestly shouldn't give it to him.

[mcaj22]

they're going to paint themselves into a corner if they let both Alex Smith and Justin Houston start the season in contract years. If they both have career years (and they should) then that is a major strike against the FO.

[BigMeatballDave]

16 million per is less than what Smith wants.

How do you know this? I haven't seen a number.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

http://espn.go.com/blog/kansas-city-chiefs/post/_/id/5502/a-quarterback-for-the-chiefs?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

A quarterback for the Chiefs?

If the Kansas City Chiefs believe a quarterback is the best player available to them when they pick 23rd in the first round of the NFL draft on Thursday, then they should take him. Absolutely. I'm signing on to that idea here and now. It's never a bad idea to draft a quarterback, if the team that selects him truly believes he will eventually become a great one.

It's a horrible idea to draft one for any other reason, even need. This is precisely why it's troubling if the Chiefs are considering selecting a quarterback in the first round, which according to Ian Rapoport of the NFL Network, they are. Negotiations with starting quarterback Alex Smith on a long-term contract extension aren't going well and, Rapoport says, the Chiefs would consider drafting Smith's replacement because of it.

I'm having trouble getting my arms around this one. One minute the Chiefs consider Smith their long-term solution at quarterback and they want to sign him to the extension, as chairman Clark Hunt has said. The next they're ready to find his successor?

This isn't how Hunt, general manager John Dorsey and coach Andy Reid wanted to operate the Chiefs. They have a long-term plan they will adjust as they see fit, but not because they're having trouble signing a key player 10 months before he's scheduled to become a free agent.

That type of move smells not of anything in a long-term plan, but of panic. Make no mistake, if the Chiefs draft a quarterback based on what they believe will be a need next year, that's a panic move. They made a commitment to Smith by trading for him last year and they're ready to scrap him at the first sign of trouble?

And if they panic on this, it follows the Chiefs will panic on other things to come. If they do that, don't plan on another Super Bowl for the Chiefs for a lot of years to come.

No, the Chiefs need to continue to build their team the best way they see fit, regardless of where they are in their negotiations with Smith. If a quarterback is available to the Chiefs on Thursday, they should take him if they believe he's going to be great.

If not and he's merely Plan B in case they can't re-sign Smith, forget about it. Move on to another player at another position.

[notorious]

I get it now: If the Chiefs are looking to draft a QB in the 1st, they are "Panicking".

The media can go fist itself. Fuck them.

[notorious]

[url]

And if they panic on this, it follows the Chiefs will panic on other things to come. If they do that, don't plan on another Super Bowl for the Chiefs for a lot of years to come.

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EVEN BETTER.



ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

[SAUTO]

He basically did win that game.



.

well all except for the winning part

[Chief Roundup]

I get it now: If the Chiefs are looking to draft a QB in the 1st, they are "Panicking".

The media can go fist itself. **** them.

Yeah that was a little over the top. But overall I have to agree parts of that article. Dorsey and Co. gave up 2 2cd round draft picks for Smith. The bill isn't even paid yet and we might go another direction. If that ends up being the case Dorsey has made a lot of mistakes right out of the gate. If we draft a QB in round 1 then Smith should be released/not extended. There is no way we should be resigning Smith to a contract that is going to pay him 15-18 mil and pay a 1st round QB to set on the bench for the few/several years. That would be a waste of valuable resources that could and would be better suited somewhere else on the team.

[Chief Roundup]

well all except for the winning part

Imagine how bad it would have been if Alex Smith didn't have the best playoff game, statistically, that a Chiefs QB has ever had!

[BigMeatballDave]

Yeah that was a little over the top. But overall I have to agree parts of that article. Dorsey and Co. gave up 2 2cd round draft picks for Smith. The bill isn't even paid yet and we might go another direction. If that ends up being the case Dorsey has made a lot of mistakes right out of the gate. If we draft a QB in round 1 then Smith should be released/not extended. There is no way we should be resigning Smith to a contract that is going to pay him 15-18 mil and pay a 1st round QB to set on the bench for the few/several years. That would be a waste of valuable resources that could and would be better suited somewhere else on the team.Released? Trade him.

[SAUTO]

Imagine how bad it would have been if Alex Smith didn't have the best playoff game first half, statistically, that a Chiefs QB has ever had!

I know!

[Chief Roundup]

Released? Trade him.

He will be a FA. This is the last year of Smiths deal. Unless you want to franchise tag him.....

[MahiMike]

Great smoke screen here. Thursday is gonna be off da chain!

[Eleazar]

http://espn.go.com/blog/kansas-city-chiefs/post/_/id/5502/a-quarterback-for-the-chiefs?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

A quarterback for the Chiefs?

If the Kansas City Chiefs believe a quarterback is the best player available to them when they pick 23rd in the first round of the NFL draft on Thursday, then they should take him. Absolutely. I'm signing on to that idea here and now. It's never a bad idea to draft a quarterback, if the team that selects him truly believes he will eventually become a great one.

It's a horrible idea to draft one for any other reason, even need. This is precisely why it's troubling if the Chiefs are considering selecting a quarterback in the first round, which according to Ian Rapoport of the NFL Network, they are. Negotiations with starting quarterback Alex Smith on a long-term contract extension aren't going well and, Rapoport says, the Chiefs would consider drafting Smith's replacement because of it.

I'm having trouble getting my arms around this one. One minute the Chiefs consider Smith their long-term solution at quarterback and they want to sign him to the extension, as chairman Clark Hunt has said. The next they're ready to find his successor?

This isn't how Hunt, general manager John Dorsey and coach Andy Reid wanted to operate the Chiefs. They have a long-term plan they will adjust as they see fit, but not because they're having trouble signing a key player 10 months before he's scheduled to become a free agent.

That type of move smells not of anything in a long-term plan, but of panic. Make no mistake, if the Chiefs draft a quarterback based on what they believe will be a need next year, that's a panic move. They made a commitment to Smith by trading for him last year and they're ready to scrap him at the first sign of trouble?

And if they panic on this, it follows the Chiefs will panic on other things to come. If they do that, don't plan on another Super Bowl for the Chiefs for a lot of years to come.

No, the Chiefs need to continue to build their team the best way they see fit, regardless of where they are in their negotiations with Smith. If a quarterback is available to the Chiefs on Thursday, they should take him if they believe he's going to be great.

If not and he's merely Plan B in case they can't re-sign Smith, forget about it. Move on to another player at another position.

Teicher gonna Teicher ROFL :stupid:

[RunKC]

They want those extra picks. And I bet they damn well get them.

They know either Bridgewater or Carr will be sitting there and they want that phone ringing.

[MahiMike]

If we re-sign Smith, it will be Aaron Murray in the 4th.

If we don't... welcome to Kansas City, Jimmy Garoppolo.

Mettenburger

[FRCDFED]

MettenburgerIt would be tough to choose between Mettenburger and Murray. Both have a lot of potential. I would prefer to see a trade down and pick up WR Matthews with our first selection.

[OldSchool]

They want those extra picks. And I bet they damn well get them.

They know either Bridgewater or Carr will be sitting there and they want that phone ringing.

This.

[rico]

It would be tough to choose between Mettenburger and Murray. Both have a lot of potential. I would prefer to see a trade down and pick up WR Matthews with our first selection.

Didn't those two have a QB competition a few years ago at Georgia? I'll have to look that up... I think Mettenberger used to be a Georgia guy.

[ThaVirus]

They want those extra picks. And I bet they damn well get them.

They know either Bridgewater or Carr will be sitting there and they want that phone ringing.


If that's the case then all we would have done is garner the Eagles more trade offers.

The only logical explanation for releasing this "info" outside of contract negotiations with Smith is hoping other teams will attempt to trade up ahead of us and nab a QB leaving a WR, S, etc on the board.

[rico]

Ahh, Mettenberger in Murray didn't have a QB competition... it was this:

"Mettenberger originally attended the University of Georgia but was kicked off the team due to a violation of team rules. On April 30, 2010, Mettenberger pleaded guilty to two sexual battery charges stemming from an incident at a bar near Valdosta, Georgia."

What in the hell is up with a QB's last name ending in "berger" and being arrested for sexual shit?

[temper11]

Its because he wants to get paid like a top QB. And chiefs want to pay him like he is who they thought he was. A middle of a road guy who has to have highly paid, highly skilled players around him to make shit happen. If we give him Jay Cutler money (aka stupid money) then we are ****ed on money even harder so there is no point. He (his agent) will have to be reasonable :/

Which successful QB's don't have highly skilled guys around them?

[RealSNR]

What in the hell is up with a QB's last name ending in "berger" and being arrested for sexual shit?

So they can keep up with variations of perhaps the greatest and most classic joke of all time.

"Mettenberger? I hardly know her!"