***The Aaron Murray Thread***

[Dante84]

Gruden's QB Camp
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vs. Georgia
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vs. Florida
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vs. LSU
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vs. Auburn
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vs. South Carolina
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vs. Clemson
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vs. Tennessee
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[mdchiefsfan]

aww shit!!

[Rams Fan]

Inb4CPEjaculation

[In58men]

I'm horny

[buddha]

GREAT pick at this point in the draft. Love this selection.

[TribalElder]

Wow

Conner shaw omaha

[Hammock Parties]

fuck yeah motherfucker

[Snapplez]

IN

[CoMoChief]

Best QB in the draft.

Called this shit.

[Rams Fan]

I'm horny

You overreacted to a 5th round pick. Congratulations!

[Hammock Parties]

i'm high as a motherfucker

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/95/ce/da/95ceda534964dfc2d1ed69b36b9a759a.jpg

[mdchiefsfan]

pretty good value for 5th round

[notorious]

Reid molds QB's and trades them.

Somebody is a goner.

[Why Not?]

Fuck yeah!

[Tribal Warfare]

Yep, great value

[TribalElder]

bye chase

[58-4ever]

Reid molds QB's and trades them.

Somebody is a goner.


I'd say Bray, but wonder if we could save $$ cutting Daniel.

[KCrockaholic]

I'm pumped for this one.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Love it

[Ceej]

Pretty solid day for this team, IMO.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Like this kid

[bdj23]

Fapfapfapfapfap

[RealSNR]

Andy you magnificent bastard I fucking love you

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Chiefs&amp;src=hash">#Chiefs</a> didn&#39;t draft Murray to cut him. So Bray or Daniel is in trouble</p>&mdash; Adam Teicher (@adamteicher) <a href="https://twitter.com/adamteicher/statuses/465207713442832384">May 10, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[CoMoChief]

GREAT PICK

Best QB in the draft IMO

[Hammock Parties]

Andy you magnificent bastard I fucking love you

http://i.imgur.com/O04CH.gif

[Tribal Warfare]

I'd say Bray, but wonder if we could save $$ cutting Daniel.

Unfortunately, this could be true

[CoMoChief]

They'll try and sneak Bray onto the PS

[Discuss Thrower]

Stash him on IR.

[58-4ever]

So glad we got Murray instead of McCarron.

[mdchiefsfan]

Inb4CPEjaculation

Fapfapfapfapfap

Just barely made it

[Fire Me Boy!]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Chiefs&src=hash">#Chiefs</a> didn't draft Murray to cut him. So Bray or Daniel is in trouble</p>— Adam Teicher (@adamteicher) <a href="https://twitter.com/adamteicher/statuses/465207713442832384">May 10, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Bray is gone.

[buddha]

Teicher is correct. Whichever way it goes is fine...I suspect it's Bray who is gone.

[KCrockaholic]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>GREAT F&#39;N pick by the <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Chiefs&amp;src=hash">#Chiefs</a>... I love it. Only other late round QB I wanted was Brett Smith</p>&mdash; Marc Boerigter (@mboerigter) <a href="https://twitter.com/mboerigter/statuses/465207567451316227">May 10, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[MTG#10]

Dont watch much college ball, was he a better college QB than Bray?

Also, would we save any $ at all by cutting Daniel?

[mdchiefsfan]

So glad we got Murray instead of McCarron.

this. Without the ACL injury he gets drafted much higher.

[58-4ever]

I like this pick. This draft tell me a few things: they really like AJ Jenkins and Sanders Commings.

[Hoover]

I talked to Dorsey at IHOP this morning and he told me he planned on taking a QB so the people on the Planet SFTU

[In58men]

You overreacted to a 5th round pick. Congratulations!

I'll overreact with any QB at this time. I'm desperate for a real QB.

[Baby Lee]

I'm horny

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[58-4ever]

this. Without the ACL injury he gets drafted much higher.


Yeah, he was a first round talent before injuries.

[BradBigglestein]

Aaron Murray's girlfriend is a local Philadelphia traffic reporter.

https://twitter.com/KacieFOX29

http://d3f5994kvuwcz1.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/mcdonnellFI.jpg

[saphojunkie]

I planted my flag in Aaron Murray last season and I'm driving that sucker in with a ****ing sledgehammer now.



BONERZ

[Tribal Warfare]

this. Without the ACL injury he gets drafted much higher.

possibly in the 1st and according to Tony Dungy if he came up last year the best QB in the draft.

[bigjosh]

Fuck yes. We should cut daniel and save a few mil

[Hammock Parties]

Aaron Murray's girlfriend is a local Philadelphia traffic reporter.

https://twitter.com/KacieFOX29

http://d3f5994kvuwcz1.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/mcdonnellFI.jpg

http://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/assets/4433847/murraykiss.gif

[Ultra Peanut]

Cool.

[jspchief]

Fuck yes. We should cut daniel and save a few mil

Agree. Daniel is maxed out at backup.

[BlackHelicopters]

Fully erect

[Fire Me Boy!]

Fuck yes. We should cut daniel and save a few mil

Absolutely no way we go into the season with Smith, a UFA sophomore, and 5th round draft pick.

[Discuss Thrower]

Actually, if things go tits up as many here expect, PUP the guy and if KC craters through the first six weeks then think about activating him or throwing Bray to the wolves...

[Iconic]

Does he have more upside than Bray?

[ptlyon]

I talked to Dorsey at IHOP this morning and he told me he planned on taking a QB so the people on the Planet SFTU

I call BS, Reid is a Dennys kind of guy

[Mr. Flopnuts]

I'm not sure I'm thrilled about this. I liked Murray last year, I'm just not sure I like him more than Bray. We'll see how it shakes out.

[KcMizzou]

Looks like his girl already likes KC.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnTBFSTIQAA-sr8.jpg

[hometeam]

Love this pick. Why not take a flier on the kid. Fuckin Murray 2015 here we come.

[keg in kc]

Absolutely no way we go into the season with Smith, a UFA sophomore, and 5th round draft pick.Yup.

[jspchief]

Does he have more upside than Bray?

Probably not. Lower ceiling but much higher floor.

[Clyde Frog]

Fuck yeah!


This

[Tribal Warfare]

Does he have more upside than Bray?

Upside? No, but he has a much higher floor

[OldSchool]

Reid molds QB's and trades them.

Somebody is a goner.

Yup, following the Patriots' mold. Developing QBs= Extra picks in the future.

[saphojunkie]

Looks like his girl already likes KC.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnTBFSTIQAA-sr8.jpg

Love the pick, love the pic

[fairladyZ]

Does he have more upside than Bray?

he's smarter and more fundamentals.. But technically if bray puts it togeather NOBODY has as much upside as bray.. Kid has the natural arm and ability just needs the technic and mind for it.. Which murray has.. Can we run experiments and somehow splice the 2 togeather?

[buddha]

I love that Murray went one pick before McCarron. Awesome.

[Easy 6]

Cool draft, didn't go quite the way I expected, but I like it anyway.

[KcMizzou]

Kacie McDonnell ‏@KacieFOX29 13m

Kansas City, baby!!

Kacie McDonnell ‏@KacieFOX29 5m

On the right track...but I'll need the football version now!! Congrats my love, @aaronmurray11!!

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[OldSchool]

Cool draft, didn't go quite the way I expected, but I like it anyway.

Yup. Completely fine with Murray in the 5th, it's where I rated him. We got athletic phenoms earlier in the draft.

[Raiderhater]

he's smarter and more fundamentals.. But technically if bray puts it togeather NOBODY has as much upside as bray.. Kid has the natural arm and ability just needs the technic and mind for it.. Which murray has.. Can we run experiments and somehow splice the 2 togeather?


Call this guy

http://aforanything.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/archer_s04e11_dr-krieger.jpg

[Rasputin]

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[R8RFAN]

Brady Quinn 2.0

[Hammock Parties]

http://i.imgur.com/9orKCUo.jpg

[RealSNR]

Probably not. Lower ceiling but much higher floor.

Bray has a 0% chance of ever sniffing his potential.

Just listen to the guy talk. He's a bumbling retard.

Dan Marino can at least go on TV and string together some coherent thoughts. Tyler Bray has nothing like that going for him.

[Marcellus]

Brady Quinn 2.0

Not even close from a value standpoint. 5th round developmental QB vs 1st round bust.

[R8RFAN]

It's not a bad pick and worth the risk

[mdchiefsfan]

LMAO

[R8RFAN]

Not even close from a value standpoint. 5th round developmental QB vs 1st round bust.

Dude would have went in the 3rd last year

[PurpleJesus28]

Love the pick, love the pic

I swear thats Christian Ponder isnt it ? lol

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Another noodle-arm QB....

Wonderful.

[KcMizzou]

Terez A. Paylor ‏@TerezPaylor 2m

Murray says he’s ready to go. Working out fully. “Absolutely no restrictions right now, I’m ready to go out there and do everything."

[R8RFAN]

Another noodle-arm QB....

Wonderful.

Well, yall could have had Johnny...

[CoMoChief]

Another noodle-arm QB....

Wonderful.

fuckin moron

[Kaepernick]

Dorsey should have taken Bridgewater in the 1st.

Hey, I had to rain on your parade. LMAO

Seriously though.... Bridgewater in the 1st to sit behind Alex for 2 years mentoring him, and you've got your 12 year franchise QB who can navigate the playoffs. Not j/k.

[OldSchool]

Another noodle-arm QB....

Wonderful.

He's a younger Shaun Hill, IMO. Perfect backup to have.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

****in moron

Definaty average at best.

[Three7s]

****in moron
He's just mad because his true love might not make the team now.

[Fritz88]

I wanted to watch his highlights against Auburn, but I was amazed by Dee Ford. He's so fast.

He's going to be something.

[RINGLEADER]

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/5/7/5670042/aaron-murray-sec-quarterbacks-2014-nfl-draft

[siberian khatru]

Twitterverse reaction to Murray pick is making me splooge

[Bewbies]

Another noodle-arm QB....

Wonderful.

You watched a lot of UGA games. Clearly.

[ModSocks]

This thread needs a kleenex.

[KCDC]

Nice pick

[Rasputin]

This just makes preseason moar interdasting. Should be fun now to have some competition even if they are for the back up spot. I don't give a fuck about Alex Smith he can sit most of preseason games. Give Bray & Murray an opportunity.

[Pitt Gorilla]

LOVE this pick. The draft a QB folks can now kindly STFU.

[BlackHelicopters]

A wave of cum envelopes CP

[Strongside]

Definaty average at best.

What time did you start drinking today? Serious question.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Terez A. Paylor ‏@TerezPaylor 2m

Murray says he’s ready to go. Working out fully. “Absolutely no restrictions right now, I’m ready to go out there and do everything."
As previously noted, his knee is fine. He's looked outstanding in workouts.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

What time did you start drinking today? Serious question.

Link me to a scouting report that says his arm is anything more than normal.

[Red Dawg]

Really good pick.

[Strongside]

Link me to a scouting report that says his arm is anything more than normal.

I'm not referring to your evaluation. Your spelling is hilarious today.

[Strongside]

SiriusXM NFL Radio ‏@SiriusXMNFL 29m
Phil Savage: The floor for Aaron Murray is a back up, the ceiling is a star @KCChiefs #SXMNFL

[ArrowheadHawk]

Link me to a scouting report that says his arm is anything more than normal.

Over his four seasons as a starter in Athens, Murray certainly has shown many of the traits scouts are looking for in a potential franchise quarterback -- including arm talent, toughness and intelligence.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664257/aaron-murray

[Mr_Tomahawk]

I'm not referring to your evaluation. Your spelling is hilarious today.

Definitely have no clue what you're talking about :p

[fairladyZ]

Link me to a scouting report that says his arm is anything more than normal.

timing/accuracy > big arm

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Over his four seasons as a starter in Athens, Murray certainly has shown many of the traits scouts are looking for in a potential franchise quarterback -- including arm talent, toughness and intelligence.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664257/aaron-murray

Arm talent does not mean arm strength.

[Strongside]

Tony Dungy ✔ @TonyDungy
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@bob_mcclellan @ChaseGoodbread Yes I am a big Aaron Murray fan. I think he's going to be like Russell Wilson.

[ArrowheadHawk]

Arm talent does not mean arm strength.

Well it sure as hell doesn't equate to noodle arm.

[Anyong Bluth]

Can I just say, HELL FUCKIN YA!

I love our draft.

Jon Gruden's QB Camp: Aaron Murray (Georgia) Exte…:
http://youtu.be/GZFyx-Dbwg8

" I don't know where he's going, but he will be the steal of the draft, and make 1 of those 32 teams strike it rich. "

Said he's more confident of his success in the NFL than almost every other QB since he's been doing his QB Camp Specials.

[Ragged Robin]

timing/accuracy > big arm

Alex Smiff? ROFL

[buddha]

Arm talent does not mean arm strength.

You're right...they are different. I can name many hall of fame QBs who had great arm talent, but were no better than average in arm strength. Murray addresses it in the Gruden QB Camp video. He can throw the ball 65 yards in the air...how much more do you want? His short passes are on time, catchable and he hits his guys in stride. He throws back shoulder fades easily. The kid is very, very skilled.

[buddha]

Well it sure as hell doesn't equate to noodle arm.

You're right...Tomahawk is as wrong as he could be with the "noodle arm" nonsense.

[Fire Me Boy!]

Can I just say, HELL FUCKIN YA!

I love our draft.

Jon Gruden's QB Camp: Aaron Murray (Georgia) Exte…:
http://youtu.be/GZFyx-Dbwg8

" I don't know where he's going, but he will be the steal of the draft, and make 1 of those 32 teams strike it rich. "

Said he's more confident of his success in the NFL than almost every other QB since he's been doing his QB Camp Specials.


Has Gruden ever met a QB he didn't love

[the Talking Can]

love this pick

love it

[Anyong Bluth]

Has Gruden ever met a QB he didn't love

Don't piss on my parade

[Anyong Bluth]

Looks like his girl already likes KC.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnTBFSTIQAA-sr8.jpg

It's was an omen.

And, the Royals should make her the new mascot.

[Ragged Robin]

he looks a lot like christian ponder in that pic, twins?

[the Talking Can]

i've watched every game he's played

he's had issues with choking in clutch moments, bad turnover etc

but he is a fundamentally sound QB, maybe the most of anyone in this draft, smart, and great character..played in pro sets 4 years

in the 5th, awesome

thank you reid and dorsey

[Simply Red]

i'm high as a mother****er

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[mcaj22]

i've watched every game he's played

he's had issues with choking in clutch moments, bad turnover etc

but he is a fundamentally sound QB, maybe the most of anyone in this draft, smart, and great character..played in pro sets 4 years

in the 5th, awesome

thank you reid and dorsey

then my question(s) to you are:

A) Can he start in the NFL

B) if yes to part A, when do you want him to start for the Chiefs?

follow up side question

C) What do you do about Alex Smith? Let him play out his final year? See how the 2014 season goes? etc.

I don't think you draft an Aaron Murray to sit the bench forever.

[Ragged Robin]

then my question(s) to you are:

A) Can he start in the NFL

B) if yes to part A, when do you want him to start for the Chiefs?

follow up side question

C) What do you do about Alex Smith? Let him play out his final year? See how the 2014 season goes? etc.

I don't think you draft an Aaron Murray to sit the bench forever.

This might come as a shocker but most 5th round QBs do sit the bench forever ROFL

[Bowser]

Bray is gone.

Teicher is correct. Whichever way it goes is fine...I suspect it's Bray who is gone.

And Tomahawk wept...

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/4762854/jesus-wept-o.gif

[KcMizzou]

It's was an omen.

And, the Royals should make her the new mascot.She beats the hell outta Slugerrr.

[Titty Meat]

love this pick

love it

Arent you the dude who lives in Georgia and watches every Georgia game?

[Bewbies]

Arent you the dude who lives in Georgia and watches every Georgia game?

I don't see em all, but I have watched most of his games. I love this pick.

[VAChief]

Tony Dungy ✔ @TonyDungy
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@bob_mcclellan @ChaseGoodbread Yes I am a big Aaron Murray fan. I think he's going to be like Russell Wilson.

However, his hand size compares more favorably with Rita Wilson

[Simply Red]

great kid - we will see on this level - I'd be surprised is he turned into anything special at the NFL level - JMO of course - I sure hope like hell i'm wrong.

Pulling for him, clearly.

[SeeingRed]

Gruden loves him! Says he is the steal of the draft….go to 4 minutes in and listen

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[Tribal Warfare]

Gruden loves him! Says he is the steal of the draft….go to 4 minutes in and listen

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http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=10620157&postcount=18

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=283594

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[Strongside]

Tribal Warfare = ***OFFICIAL AARON MURRAY REPOST POLICE***

[aturnis]

Looks like his girl already likes KC.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnTBFSTIQAA-sr8.jpg

Looks like I already like his girl...

[Al Bundy]

I don't care what people say.. you guys are KILLING in this draft.

[Raiderhater]

great kid - we will see on this level - I'd be surprised is he turned into anything special at the NFL level - JMO of course - I sure hope like hell i'm wrong.

Pulling for him, clearly.

That's kind of where I am, though I wouldn't actually be "surprised". The potential is certainly there and in the 5th how do you not?

[R8RFAN]

Pre season is the last time you will ever see him so get your DVR ready boys

[DaWolf]

Like the pick, but odds are it won't amount to much. Will be interesting to see if they try to keep both Murray and Bray by having one develop an "injury" in preseason and stashing them on the IR until next year when cutting Daniel makes sense...

[kysirsoze]

Wasn't sure what to think, but after a little research, I'm pretty pumped about this pick. Gruden blows everybody, but he gave Murray a fucking rusty trombone. Let let acl doesn't scare me to much. Seems like he could be a steal.

[tk13]

Love the pick. Given what Daniel did against San Diego I think Bray is in the most trouble... but I know I wasn't a big fan of Bray to begin with.

Everything Dorsey and Reid have done in the NFL indicate they aren't afraid to churn through QBs... their experience in KC so far has been pretty much the same. They turned over all three QB spots last year, and still drafted a very good college QB this year. Still haven't burned a high pick on one, but at least they're putting some effort into finding guys who play the position.

[Kaepernick]

Has Gruden ever met a QB he didn't love

Tebow?

[Halfcan]

Can I just say, HELL ****IN YA!

I love our draft.

Jon Gruden's QB Camp: Aaron Murray (Georgia) Exte…:
http://youtu.be/GZFyx-Dbwg8

" I don't know where he's going, but he will be the steal of the draft, and make 1 of those 32 teams strike it rich. "

Said he's more confident of his success in the NFL than almost every other QB since he's been doing his QB Camp Specials.

:thumb:

Gotta love the kids toughness and attitude. Looks like we have a QBOTF!!

[KCrockaholic]

Just so you guys know, she used to date Ponder. That's who's in the pic.

[FringeNC]

i've watched every game he's played

he's had issues with choking in clutch moments, bad turnover etc

but he is a fundamentally sound QB, maybe the most of anyone in this draft, smart, and great character..played in pro sets 4 years

in the 5th, awesome

thank you reid and dorsey

Is it possible he ran anywhere near a 4.5 40 back in 2010?

http://blogs.ajc.com/uga-sports-blog/2010/06/04/check-out-the-40-yard-dash-times-and-more-of-uga-football-players-here/

[Kaepernick]

then my question(s) to you are:

A) Can he start in the NFL

B) if yes to part A, when do you want him to start for the Chiefs?

follow up side question

C) What do you do about Alex Smith? Let him play out his final year? See how the 2014 season goes? etc.

I don't think you draft an Aaron Murray to sit the bench forever.

Alex Smith is one of the best mentoring QBs in football. You let Murray sit behind Alex and hold the clip board minimum 2 years, then IF he is better than Alex, you dump Alex's salary and rock and roll. Just have to structure Alex's extension that way or just franchise him next year. Problem is, you have to be sure about Murray.

If you took Bridgewater, I would be sold on that plan. With Murray, who knows if he will ever be better than Alex? Alex is a solid 15th or so rated NFL QB. Will Murray be at least as good? If not, why play him? You would only dump Alex's salary for somebody better, not somebody worse.

For your sakes, here is hoping Murray sits and becomes better than Alex since you don't have Bridgewater.

[Kaepernick]

And Tomahawk wept...

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/4762854/jesus-wept-o.gif

Holy... wtf?

[Halfcan]

Link me to a scouting report that says his arm is anything more than normal.

Murray says he throws it 60 to 65 yards during games. And when he was talking about it -Gruden played the tape to prove it. That is twice as far as Cassel.

Jeez some people are never happy- :( do you want him to throw it endzone to fucking endzone or something.

[Dante84]

Wow - that South Carolina game.... daaaaaaaaamnnnn

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Meh, I'm not expecting a much. I'm expecting a backup QB at the most. Forgive me for my lack of optimism, dude is a 5th round pick for a reason, not just his injury.

[Anyong Bluth]

It's fine to be skeptical that he could be awesome- shit, we all are Chiefs fans, it's been bashed into our skulls with constant reminders.

The factor that tips the scales for my optimism is a GM with a track record of eyeing QB talent, and a head coach whose as good as anybody, bar none, in both evaluation and grooming NFL QBs as elite as they've come.

Bang bang.

[007]

Outside of McNabb who exactly has Reid groomed. I really don't get the QB guru talk. Offensive mind? absolutely. QB guru? I don't see it.

[Beef Supreme]

Outside of McNabb who exactly has Reid groomed. I really don't get the QB guru talk. Offensive mind? absolutely. QB guru? I don't see it.

He pulled off some pretty good smoke and mirrors with Kolb.

[Anyong Bluth]

Outside of McNabb who exactly has Reid groomed. I really don't get the QB guru talk. Offensive mind? absolutely. QB guru? I don't see it.

Oh I don't know. .. some Favre guy...
He went to GB same year as Brett.

Managed to even make Koy Detmer a successful QB before Donovan.

[arrowheadnation]

His girlfriend must really be a Royals fan. She posted this on twitter:

On the right track...but I'll need the football version now!! Congrats my love, @aaronmurray11!!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnTBLFsCUAAfDMM.jpg:large

[dtrain]

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj289/crabby125/funny/daff.gif (http://media.photobucket.com/user/crabby125/media/funny/daff.gif.html)

LMAO:LOL:

[Dante84]

Her name is kacie.

KC.

Cwutshedidthere?

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Love it!

[htismaqe]

Meh, I'm not expecting a much. I'm expecting a backup QB at the most. Forgive me for my lack of optimism, dude is a 5th round pick for a reason, not just his injury.

This.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Can I just say, HELL ****IN YA!

I love our draft.

Jon Gruden's QB Camp: Aaron Murray (Georgia) Exte…:
http://youtu.be/GZFyx-Dbwg8

" I don't know where he's going, but he will be the steal of the draft, and make 1 of those 32 teams strike it rich. "

Said he's more confident of his success in the NFL than almost every other QB since he's been doing his QB Camp Specials.I liked him over every other QB, with Bortles a close second.

[farmerchief]

I liked him over every other QB, with Bortles a close second.
Yep, I asked my sons this morning, "What happened to Murray"? As I liked him this year the few times I watched him play. Nobody had drafted him, so figured he must have been hurt. I think the Chiefs may really have gotten a steal on him, and have time for him to develop.:thumb:

[FringeNC]

I'm an Alex Smith fan, but after drafting Murray, should the Chiefs wait until camp to give Smith his extension? It's not like his price will go up, and the staff may know immediately if they struck gold with Murray. Not saying it's likely, but you may as well see if Murray wows you.

[Dante84]

hahaha

First play of the Auburn game.

Guess who sacks Murray?

[In58men]

I'm an Alex Smith fan, but after drafting Murray, should the Chiefs wait until camp to give Smith his extension? It's not like his price will go up, and the staff may know immediately if they struck gold with Murray. Not saying it's likely, but you may as well see if Murray wows you.

I don't understand why he deserves an extension to begin with. Last season was so flawed it's not even funny. We had one of the easiest schedules. We played 7 teams that had "major" QB concerns. We got lucky and played against (7) 2nd string QBs. Looking at this years schedule it seems tough. This year should tell us what he's really worth. A good GM should wait. We shouldn't be in any rush to get it done.

[Dante84]

2nd play of Auburn game

Guess who hits Murray, forcing the incompletion?

[TLO]

Love this pick. Kid has a chance to be special.

[Dante84]

6th play, Auburn game

Batted pass

[DeezNutz]

Thrilled with the Murray pick. I've advocated for him for a long time. Now, that love looks ridiculous now--mention of drafting him at the back of the first or in the second/third, so it's concerning to me that he'd drop this far.

[007]

I don't understand why he deserves an extension to begin with. Last season was so flawed it's not even funny. We had one of the easiest schedules. We played 7 teams that had "major" QB concerns. We got lucky and played against (7) 2nd string QBs. Looking at this years schedule it seems tough. This year should tell us what he's really worth. A good GM should wait. We shouldn't be in any rush to get it done.Absolutely. I have no problem with them riding out this year to see how he handles the toughest schedule we have seen in a while. sure it might cost us more by waiting if he does well, but I would rather do that then fork out the dough first and see him fail.

[TLO]

I love this pick. I can't say it enough.

[Mav]

Thrilled with the Murray pick. I've advocated for him for a long time. Now, that love looks ridiculous now--mention of drafting him at the back of the first or in the second/third, so it's concerning to me that he'd drop this far.

Coming off a serious Knee injury.

Out of sight, out of mind.

He probably wont be much of a factor this year.

I wouldn't read too much into him falling. it happens.

[Dante84]

3 minute mark, Auburn game.

Guess who hits Murray, causing an interception?


DEE FUCKING FORD.

[In58men]

Absolutely. I have no problem with them riding out this year to see how he handles the toughest schedule we have seen in a while. sure it might cost us more by waiting if he does well, but I would rather do that then fork out the dough first and see him fail.

You nailed it on the head. Let's see what he's really about before throwing money his way.

[FringeNC]

You nailed it on the head. Let's see what he's really about before throwing money his way.

I think more of Smith than you guys do, but it seems Condon advised his client to play hardball with the Chiefs. I just don't see the downside at this point of waiting until we see what we have with Murray before giving Smith $20 million a year. Either Murray wows in camp or he doesn't. If he does, Smith doesn't get his extension at all.

[Dante84]

8:25 mark, Auburn game

Murray throws a bomb and hits his WR

[007]

I think more of Smith than you guys do, but it seems Condon advised his client to play hardball with the Chiefs. I just don't see the downside at this point of waiting until we see what we have with Murray before giving Smith $20 million a year. Either Murray wows in camp or he doesn't. If he does, Smith doesn't get his extension at all.Oh you misunderstand. i don't think poorly of Smith at all. I've actually been impressed but his best football came when we started losing games. Not saying that is his fault but I want to see what he does against this schedule first before throwing the bank at him.

[DenverChief]

3 minute mark, Auburn game.

Guess who hits Murray, causing an interception?


DEE ****ING FORD.

That was a Dee Ford Highlight video not an Aaron Murray one :LOL:

[BryanBusby]

Dee Ford fucked up Murray.

[the Talking Can]

then my question(s) to you are:

A) Can he start in the NFL

B) if yes to part A, when do you want him to start for the Chiefs?

follow up side question

C) What do you do about Alex Smith? Let him play out his final year? See how the 2014 season goes? etc.

I don't think you draft an Aaron Murray to sit the bench forever.

just got back...



i've always been hard on Murray, until this year he routinely made bone headed plays in big games...uga fans were sick of him in spite of the numbers he put up..they egged his house once

but...he is very good in pro sets, and can easily find second and third options...he 'looks' like a really good QB...he is good at everything, but he isn't great at anything...there's nothing special popping off him

i think his upside is Trent Green...i think his downside is good backup QB

i love this pick in the 5th round immensely

i think we should groom him, but wouldn't run smith off to do it...i think murray would benefit from 2-3 years of being a back up...i wouldn't rush it

this has been a steller draft, Dorsey gets a big thumbs up from me

[htismaqe]

just got back...



i've always been hard on Murray, until this year he routinely made bone headed plays in big games...uga fans were sick of him in spite of the numbers he put up..they egged his house once

but...he is very good in pro sets, and can easily find second and third options...he 'looks' like a really good QB...he is good at everything, but he isn't great at anything...there's nothing special popping off him

i think his upside is Trent Green...i think his downside is good backup QB

i love this pick in the 5th round immensely

i think we should groom him, but wouldn't run smith off to do it...i think murray would benefit from 2-3 years of being a back up...i wouldn't rush it

this has been a steller draft, Dorsey gets a big thumbs up from me

Great post all the way around.

[BigCatDaddy]

This guy will land us a 2nd round pick in a year or two after he's developed and show cased. Good pick.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

I'm more impressed with Dee Ford in those clips.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Bray has a higher cieling.

[In58men]

Bray has a higher cieling.

Then why did he go undrafted? His fan base can't even spell right.

[the Talking Can]

Kansas City Chiefs: Aaron Murray, QB, Georgia: A Grade
Nice. Alex Smith cannot lead the Chiefs deep into the playoffs, but perhaps Aaron Murray will be able to. Murray would have gone much earlier had he not torn his ACL, so Kansas City is getting a steal and perhaps its future starting quarterback. This is an awesome pick in the fifth round.

walter football

[htismaqe]

walter football

Unpossible.

Quick check the radar. KC is about to get wiped out by a megatwister.

[Dayze]

hopefully when he shows he's better than Smith, Reid and Co will recognize it and start him (ala Seattle) instead of sitting him 'just because ' (ala Pioli)

[Messier]

hopefully when he shows he's better than Smith, Reid and Co will recognize it and start him (ala Seattle) instead of sitting him 'just because ' (ala Pioli)

I would stop worrying that Dorsey/Reid are Pioli part 2.

[htismaqe]

hopefully when he shows he's better than Smith, Reid and Co will recognize it and start him (ala Seattle) instead of sitting him 'just because ' (ala Pioli)

He's not better than Smith.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Smith > Murray.

[htismaqe]

Smith >>> Murray.

FYP

[In58men]

Smith > Murray.

How many seasons does Smith have under his belt?


You better lock it up.

[penbrook]

Per Herbie Teope

Dorsey said selection of Aaron Murray is not an indication of th state of contract talks with Alex Smith.

[penbrook]

Dorsey said QB Aaron Murray is a "really quality quarterback" and was the best player on the board.

[penbrook]

John Dorsey said Chiefs felt lucky with each pick today. Happy they fell in their lap.

[htismaqe]

Per Herbie Teope

Dorsey said selection of Aaron Murray is not an indication of th state of contract talks with Alex Smith.

Of course not.

Aaron Murray would have to provide them some actual leverage for that to be true.

[Dayze]

He's not better than Smith.

"when" he's better etc.

[RealSNR]

Wait, why the fuck are people saying Smith > Murray?

Of course he's better. He's a 9 year pro with a goddamn resume.

Why does that even have to be fucking said? Nobody here is proclaiming Murray to be the QB savior this team has needed for decades.

It's just a bizarre reaction. Yeah, don't get TOO happy about the pick, kids. It's not like the Chiefs have only drafted 4 QBs since 1998 or anything like that.

[htismaqe]

"when" he's better etc.

He likely won't ever be better than Smith.

[R8RFAN]

Wait, why the **** are people saying Smith > Murray?

Of course he's better. He's a 9 year pro with a goddamn resume.

Why does that even have to be ****ing said? Nobody here is proclaiming Murray to be the QB savior this team has needed for decades.

It's just a bizarre reaction. Yeah, don't get TOO happy about the pick, kids. It's not like the Chiefs have only drafted 4 QBs since 1998 or anything like that.



http://getfunny.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Calm-down-son.jpg

[htismaqe]

Wait, why the fuck are people saying Smith > Murray?

Of course he's better. He's a 9 year pro with a goddamn resume.

Smith was a better prospect coming out of college, too.

Why does that even have to be fucking said? Nobody here is proclaiming Murray to be the QB savior this team has needed for decades.

It's just a bizarre reaction. Yeah, don't get TOO happy about the pick, kids. It's not like the Chiefs have only drafted 4 QBs since 1998 or anything like that.

So we're going to throw a party when they draft any QB in the late rounds?

How is this so much different than Ricky Stanzi?

Oh yeah, it isn't.

[R8RFAN]

But is he better than Geno?

[Dayze]

He likely won't ever be better than Smith.

you really don't think so? (not a jab et).
I think Smith is an average QB; I don't think it's a huge mountain to climb for Murray to climb.
however, as others have alluded to, when/if Murray puts it together, he'll likely be gone from KC.

[In58men]

But is he better than Geno?

As of right now? No, I would take Geno over Murray. If Murray gets a full season you'd get a better comparison.

[RealSNR]

So we're going to throw a party when they draft any QB in the late rounds?

How is this so much different than Ricky Stanzi?

Oh yeah, it isn't.

Dude, you said you like the pick. You thought it was good value. I also know you think highly of the Ron Wolf strategy of selecting QBs in the draft.

The Green Bay Packers do this stuff all the time as well, and most of their late rounders don't ever amount to much, either. But the point is that they keep drafting QBs because you have no idea what's going to happen with one of them or what might happen to your starter.

So what's the matter with celebrating this pick as simply a good pick? And outside of that, what's the matter with celebrating this pick as a good pick at a position that NEVER gets drafted by this team?

Fuck, wouldn't it be great if the Chiefs drafted 2 or 3 QBs every five or so years like the Packers do? That'd at least represent a change in this franchise's philosophy when it comes to the position.

It's a small step. A baby step. But God, wouldn't that be SOMEWHAT refreshing to see them do that?

[htismaqe]

you really don't think so? (not a jab et).
I think Smith is an average QB; I don't think it's a huge mountain to climb for Murray to climb.
however, as others have alluded to, when/if Murray puts it together, he'll likely be gone from KC.

No, I don't.

Even if we agree that Smith is an average passer (I think he's above average in some areas and below average in others), Smith has the ability to improvise. To make things happen when the play breaks down, especially with his feet.

Aaron Murray doesn't have those things. He's not a scrambler, he doesn't improvise well, and more often than not when the pocket collapses, so does he.

Murray, for me, is the definition of average. He's a prototypical game manager that does everything just good enough to be a backup QB.

[htismaqe]

Dude, you said you like the pick. You thought it was good value. I also know you think highly of the Ron Wolf strategy of selecting QBs in the draft.

The Green Bay Packers do this stuff all the time as well, and most of their late rounders don't ever amount to much, either. But the point is that they keep drafting QBs because you have no idea what's going to happen with one of them or what might happen to your starter.

So what's the matter with celebrating this pick as simply a good pick? And outside of that, what's the matter with celebrating this pick as a good pick at a position that NEVER gets drafted by this team?

Fuck, wouldn't it be great if the Chiefs drafted 2 or 3 QBs every five or so years like the Packers do? That'd at least represent a change in this franchise's philosophy when it comes to the position.

It's a small step. A baby step. But God, wouldn't that be SOMEWHAT refreshing to see them do that?

I do like the pick. I think that Murray could be a much cheaper and better #2 than Chase Daniel.

But ultimately, I'm not gonna get real excited until I see this team take a guy that has legit #1 starter upside and with Murray, I just don't see it.

Otherwise, I agree with you for the most part. I'm mostly just responding to the "Aaron Murray was the best prospect in the draft" silliness.

[DeezNutz]

So we're going to throw a party when they draft any QB in the late rounds?

How is this so much different than Ricky Stanzi?

Oh yeah, it isn't.

It's quite a bit different because Murray is a better player. Stanzi was trash. I realize that not everyone will agree with that last comment, and that's OK.

[htismaqe]

It's quite a bit different because Murray is a better player. Stanzi was trash. I realize that not everyone will agree with that last comment, and that's OK.

I don't think Murray is THAT much better but that's just me.

A lot of people around here got hot and bothered about Kirk Cousins too and he isn't AT ALL better than Ricky Stanzi.

People get excited about some weird shit.

[Mr. Laz]

Aaron Murray could really be the next Tom Brady. While Murray is nothing special physically he just has the feel of someone who has 'it'. Of course drafting quarterbacks is always a lot shot, at least this one has a good feel to it. The price was right.

I would love it if Bray and Murray were good enough to get Daniel kicked to the curb.

Speaking of Bray, seems like Murray is Bray's polar opposite. One with great talent but immature and a bit stupid. The other with moderate talent but a real student of the game and smart.

we'll see.

[jd1020]

A lot of people around here got hot and bothered about Kirk Cousins too and he isn't AT ALL better than Ricky Stanzi.

You think too much of someone who never made it as even a backup.

[htismaqe]

You think too much of someone who never made it as even a backup.

It has a lot more to do with what I think about Cousins than what I think about Stanzi.

I don't really care too much one way or another about 2nd and 3rd string QBs.

[jd1020]

It has a lot more to do with what I think about Cousins than what I think about Stanzi.

I don't really care too much one way or another about 2nd and 3rd string QBs.

Cousins showed to be pretty damn competent in actual NFL games. Stanzi showed to be an embarrassment with #2's in preseason. To say they are equal is just stupid.

[htismaqe]

Cousins showed to be pretty damn competent in actual NFL games. Stanzi showed to be an embarrassment with #2's in preseason. To say they are equal is just stupid.

Cousins showed he can manage a game in a backup situation. Like I said, I don't really give a crap one way or another about backup QBs.

People got all crazy about trading for the guy as a starter, which he'll likely never be.

[jd1020]

Cousins showed he can manage a game in a backup situation. Like I said, I don't really give a crap one way or another about backup QBs.

People got all crazy about trading for the guy as a starter, which he'll likely never be.

Meh.

I wanted the Chiefs to draft him, but as soon as he went to the Redskins that was it. Trading for him would have been ignorant.

[Simply Red]

Pretty much the same criticisms on this site of Murray could easily be said about Manning with his time at Tennessee.

Let's don't get distorted with the potential factor.

I bet Murray's #'s were at least of the equivalent as to Manning's in college.

[BryanBusby]

As of right now? No, I would take Geno over Murray. If Murray gets a full season you'd get a better comparison.
I liked Geno coming out and while he could throw a really pretty pass, Murray is a better passer.

The one thing about Aaron Murray that always sticks out, and pretty much any UGA talent is, "this guy would be going much higher if they could develop their players well."

[HIChief]

I talked to Dorsey at IHOP this morning and he told me he planned on taking a QB so the people on the Planet SFTU

LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

[the Talking Can]

While his numbers are impressive, it’s another area that impressed the Chiefs.

Murray’s accuracy proved appealing when viewing him as a fit for the team’s offense, Green said. Murray met with the Chiefs scout and quarterbacks coach Matt Nagy before his Pro Day workout, and Green said Murray’s familiarity with play diagrams proved a bonus.

“He understands a lot of our verbiage,” Green said, “and a lot of the same concepts that we’re trying to get done here.”

Playing in a pro system at Georgia will also assist the transition from college to the NFL, specifically the West Coast offense the Chiefs incorporate.

“He’ll have no problem with terminology,” Dorsey said. “He’ll have no problem recognizing defenses. I think he will just jump right in with the rest of them, and as quick at studying and learning as he is, I would think he has no problem picking the stuff up.”

The new Chiefs quarterback echoed Dorsey’s thoughts.

“The scheme I had at Georgia is very similar to what they were doing up there,” Murray said. “So it’s just a perfect fit.”


http://www.chiefsspin.com/chiefs-select-qb-aaron-murray-in-fifth-round/

[In58men]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/12/za3ysugu.jpg

[Bowser]

Nice

[NIUhuskies]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/12/za3ysugu.jpg

#7 has proven to be a great number for QBs here....shiiiit

[Dante84]

OH DAMN

#7

OH SHIT




OH DAMN

[Bowser]

#7 has proven to be a great number for QBs here....shiiiit

No doubt. Give him 15 or something.

[Dayze]

Murray is going to be a good player. I'm nearly certain of it.
he needs to tighten up his accuracy a bit, but that's probably a lot to do with footwork and can be corrected.

he has sufficient arm strength and the brains to be a good one.

[Dante84]

Murray is going to be a good player. I'm nearly certain of it.
he needs to tighten up his accuracy a bit, but that's probably a lot to do with footwork and can be corrected.

he has sufficient arm strength and the brains to be a good one.

I thought his accuracy was his best trait, no?

I'd say he needs to work on decision-making, something every rookie needs to work on. If there's one thing Alex can teach, its how NOT to throw a pick.

I think Murray is more accurate, and takes more risks - which can be a good thing. After watching his games, he has a pretty deep ball, too, which surprised me because thats something the scouts knocked him for.

[OldSchool]

Murray is slow. He's going to get murdered behind this line in the Pre-season.

[Dayze]

I thought his accuracy was his best trait, no?

I'd say he needs to work on decision-making, something every rookie needs to work on. If there's one thing Alex can teach, its how NOT to throw a pick.

I think Murray is more accurate, and takes more risks - which can be a good thing. After watching his games, he has a pretty deep ball, too, which surprised me because thats something the scouts knocked him for.

I think he can sometimes get a little too amped up and maybe ignores his footwork. sometimes he as a 'wtf' kind of accuracy throw that should be like 2nd nature.

all of which i think is correctable.

[htismaqe]

I thought his accuracy was his best trait, no?

I'd say he needs to work on decision-making, something every rookie needs to work on. If there's one thing Alex can teach, its how NOT to throw a pick.

I think Murray is more accurate, and takes more risks - which can be a good thing. After watching his games, he has a pretty deep ball, too, which surprised me because thats something the scouts knocked him for.

He has great accuracy but he sometimes has poor footwork.

It's not that he can't put the ball on a spot, it's that he messes around with his drops and ends up short-hopping or overthrowing passes he shouldn't.

[RunKC]

I'm not holding my breath. Only like 3 QB's picked from the 5th to 7th have worked out in the last 15 years.

[htismaqe]

I'm not holding my breath. Only like 3 QB's picked from the 5th to 7th have worked out in the last 15 years.

I think he's got a shot to be a long-term backup in this league, a Todd Collins type.

It's possible that he could also develop into a solid starter but counting on it seems like a pretty unrealistic thing to do.

[R8RFAN]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/12/za3ysugu.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/RFHHL.gif

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Murray > Carr :)

[Dayze]

I love that gif. never gets old.

[saphojunkie]

Hopefully this signals the end of the chiefs taking other teams' backups and trying to make them starters, and instead is the beginning of the chiefs sending their backups to other teams.

Anything above that is gravy.

[R8RFAN]

Nothing wrong with being excited about a QB...

Odds are pretty low overall for any drafted QB to have more than a flash in the pan success in the NFL.

The only QB I ever saw and knew instantly he was going to be a helluva NFL QB was Luck... I would love to build a team around him.

[FringeNC]

I'm not holding my breath. Only like 3 QB's picked from the 5th to 7th have worked out in the last 15 years.

I think part of that is GMs give first rounders chance after chance. If Alex Smith wasn't the #1 guy taken in the draft, he might be out of football. Jax would have cut bait with Gabbert a long time ago. etc.

If GMs were really that good in evaluating QB talent, there wouldn't be so many first round busts.

[htismaqe]

Nothing wrong with being excited about a QB...

Odds are pretty low overall for any drafted QB to have more than a flash in the pan success in the NFL.

I agree on both points.

[Tombstone RJ]

the question is will Murray be better than Bray long term?

[htismaqe]

the question is will Murray be better than Bray long term?

I don't think Bray will ever amount to anything, so the easy answer is emphatically "yes".

[Tombstone RJ]

I don't think Bray will ever amount to anything, so the easy answer is emphatically "yes".

Murray may have reached his peak, Bray on the other hand may not have reached his peak. It will be interesting to see if kc retains both young QBs on the 53 squad or if one goes to the practice squad. Isn't Murray only like 6' tall?

[htismaqe]

Murray may have reached his peak, Bray on the other hand may not have reached his peak. It will be interesting to see if kc retains both young QBs on the 53 squad or if one goes to the practice squad. Isn't Murray only like 6' tall?

Bray is going to have to get a chance before he can begin to realize his potential.

Being a UDFA, combined with being a notorious bonehead, is going to limit those opportunities dramatically.

I'm not really enamored with his potential because I think his floor is so low, they'll never take a serious look at him. They'll always be bringing guys in that immediately look better (aka Aaron Murray).

[keg in kc]

The thing with Murray is that he may be a perfect fit here, for Reid's version of the WCO. Which is something that I think doesn't get enough attention when it comes to qb failure/success discussions: guys landing in the right/wrong situation.

[staylor26]

The thing with Murray is that he may be a perfect fit here, for Reid's version of the WCO. Which is something that I think doesn't get enough attention when it comes to qb failure/success discussions: guys landing in the right/wrong situation.

This is why I'm excited about the pick. I already liked Murray as a prospect, but also think he's a perfect fit for Reid's offense. To be honest other than McNabb, I can't think of a better prospect Reid has had to work with for what he likes to do.

[htismaqe]

This is why I'm excited about the pick. I already liked Murray as a prospect, but also think he's a perfect fit for Reid's offense. To be honest other than McNabb, I can't think of a better prospect Reid has had to work with for what he likes to do.

He has a WCO arm.

He doesn't really have WCO legs.

I think "perfect" fit is somewhat of an overstatement. The WCO is certainly the BEST fit for him.

[saphojunkie]

He has a WCO arm.

He doesn't really have WCO legs.

I think "perfect" fit is somewhat of an overstatement. The WCO is certainly the BEST fit for him.

That's fair.

I think the thing to remember is that, even if a QB is drafted first overall, the natural and expected outcome is for them to suck. It's just the hardest position in pro sports.

So, expecting a fifth round pick to ever do jack shit is wishful thinking. It can happen, to be sure, but I don't expect anything.

The rejoicing (for me) is that the arrival of Reid and Dorsey was supposed to signal a culture change, where the QB position would not be ignored. It was supposed to be a position that we were drafting at least every other year. That finally started. I'll be even happier in 2016 when we take a guy on day 1 or 2.

[Tribal Warfare]

He has a WCO arm.

He doesn't really have WCO legs.

I think "perfect" fit is somewhat of an overstatement. The WCO is certainly the BEST fit for him.

he can move well enough, Trent could move the chains when need be in a 5 yard range.

[htismaqe]

he can move well enough, Trent could move the chains when need be in a 5 yard range.

Trent Green didn't play for Andy Reid.

If given his preference, Andy likes a guy that can move the chains WITH his feet, not just get out of trouble.

[Canofbier]

he can move well enough, Trent could move the chains when need be in a 5 yard range.

Agreed. Remember, Alex isn't a burner either (he ran a 4.7 40) and he's made some big plays on his legs. It's more about running intelligently than it is torching a defense.

[staylor26]

He has a WCO arm.

He doesn't really have WCO legs.

I think "perfect" fit is somewhat of an overstatement. The WCO is certainly the BEST fit for him.

He moves well in the pocket and on rollouts, and he can pick up yardage with his legs when he has to.

[htismaqe]

It's more about running intelligently than it is torching a defense.

Something Aaron Murray struggled with his entire career. Knowing when to pull the ball down and not throw it to the other team...

[Canofbier]

Something Aaron Murray struggled with his entire career. Knowing when to pull the ball down and not throw it to the other team...

Good thing he's got Smith and Reid to mentor him, then.

[htismaqe]

Good thing he's got Smith and Reid to mentor him, then.

Of course. Never said otherwise.

[R8RFAN]

Smiff will QB this team for the next 4 years... I can't believe you people want to just throw him under the bus.

[FringeNC]

He has a WCO arm.

He doesn't really have WCO legs.

I think "perfect" fit is somewhat of an overstatement. The WCO is certainly the BEST fit for him.

Given that he didn't participate in the combine, we don't have any numbers on his athleticism, but from what I've read, he's supposed to be a sneaky good athlete.

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Given that he didn't participate in the combine, we don't know have any numbers on his athleticism, but from what I've read, he's supposed to be a sneaky good athlete.

He's not slow and he's not awkward.

He just doesn't always play smart.

The thing about Smith isn't just that he's athletic. He knows when and what he wants to do with the ball. He's decisive and if it's not there, he's going to take what he can get.

Aaron Murray has been the opposite of that for most of his college career. I'm not saying he can't improve but there's people here that are acting like he can walk in day 1 and assume the #2 QB role in Andy Reid's offense. It isn't happening.