Aaron Murray Best Qb Prospect According to this!

[TheNoob]

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/nfl-draft/2014/lcf-2014-year-it-means-nothing By far best qb prospect coming out of this years draft

This thing is pretty dang accurate http://www.footballoutsiders.com/nfl-draft/2012/lewin-career-forecast-2012

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2054348-aaron-murrays-full-scouting-report-and-outlook-heading-into-2014-nfl-draft

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[Mr_Tomahawk]

Noodle arm

[TribalElder]

Conner Shaw

[buddha]

http://youtu.be/pKszsqLz2_E

Very smart, heady guy. Arm is plenty strong enough.

[KcMizzou]

http://youtu.be/pKszsqLz2_E

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[Ragged Robin]

http://youtu.be/pKszsqLz2_E

Very smart, heady guy. Arm is plenty strong enough.

Alex Smiff? ROFL

[In58men]

Noodle arm

You must be worried about Bray now?

[OldSchool]

Shaun Hill

[CoMoChief]

he is the best qb in this draft

[Prison Bitch]

he is the best qb in this draft

I bet he doesn't put up even 1/5th the career numbers that Bortles does.

[rico]

he is the best qb in this draft

Indeed.

[Bewbies]

Noodle arm

http://youtu.be/ssC77hapv0g

[Pepe Silvia]

I bet he doesn't put up even 1/5th the career numbers that Bortles does.

If it were anywhere but Jacksonville I'd agree.

[Prison Bitch]

If it were anyone but Jacksonville I'd agree.

They'll just play him regardless of how he does. Kinda like Tennessee with Jake Locker, or Dayton Moore with Moustakas.

[buddha]

STFUHe shouldn't, right? Bortles was the third pick in the entire draft.

[TheNoob]

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/nfl-draft/2012/lewin-career-forecast-2012

[SeeingRed]

All time SEC TD and Passing Yards leader….in 5th round. Just sayin

[Tribal Warfare]

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[King_Chief_Fan]

http://youtu.be/pKszsqLz2_E

Very smart, heady guy. Arm is plenty strong enough.
Not trying to create an argument but it has been said plenty of times that his arm strength is questionable but the WC that Reid runs will match with his talent.

[TheNoob]

Not trying to create an argument but it has been said plenty of times that his arm strength is questionable but the WC that Reid runs will match with his talent.
You better look at those videos in op lol! They said the same thing bout brady and gruden said it best he doesnt know who the arm analyst are but he said georgia threw the best deep balls in college football the last 2 years! Who was the qb I wonder?

[MTG#10]

Gruden sold me on him.

:whackit:

[RobBlake]

he is the best qb in this draft

lmao. No he is not.

[TheNoob]

lmao. No he is not.

You do realize he played against the most nfl ready defenses in college football and picked most of them apart?

[Prison Bitch]

You do realize he played against the most nfl ready defenses in college football and picked most of them apart?

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[Halfcan]

Tore ACL-stayed in the game and threw a TD!

[Halfcan]

Gruden sold me on him.

:whackit:

I have always liked Gruden- His camp is well respected. He says this will be the steal of the draft too. Sure like those highlights and the kids toughness. :thumb:

[Cmd'r&Chief]

You must be worried about Bray now?

One of our qbs aren't going to make the cut...I hate to say it, but it's likely going to be Bray

[InChiefsHeaven]

I dunno...it should be an interesting camp. But it would be nice to get something for Daniel rather than just cut him. Oh well...

[KC_Lee]

Gruden sold me on him.

:whackit:

Mr. "The jury is still out on Matt Cassel"...

This is who sold you on Murray?

[hometeam]

I like the pick. But you can find someone saying the same thing about every QB in the draft.

[MTG#10]

Mr. "The jury is still out on Matt Cassel"...

This is who sold you on Murray?

When did he say that?

[SAUTO]

When did he say that?

After we cut him...
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[Pasta Little Brioni]

Big fan of Murray. Team slayed this draft.

[MahiMike]

he is the best qb in this draft

Bortles is the next big Ben.

[htismaqe]

You do realize he played against the most nfl ready defenses in college football and picked most of them apart?

No he fucking did not.

Against the very best defenses, he folded like a cheap blanket. He got a little bit better this year but not much...

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Ricky Stanzi #2

[TambaBerry]

I'm liking this Murray pick

[MTG#10]

Bortles is the next big Ben.

He's a rapist?

[TLO]

I love this pick. Never was a fan of Stanzi, but this guy..... Man o man. Alex better play his ass off this year if he wants a job in KC after next season.

[TLO]

He's a rapist?

LMAO

[MTG#10]

Any way this pick helps the Chiefs contract negotiations with Alex at all?

[Mav]

Ricky Stanzi #2
This is clearly Manziel ass hurt you are feeling.
I love this pick. Never was a fan of Stanzi, but this guy..... Man o man. Alex better play his ass off this year if he wants a job in KC after next season.

I like Aaron Murray a lot too. But calm down.

[RealSNR]

Is it any surprise that OldSchool likes all our draft picks except Aaron Murray?

Dude, we got him in the 5th fucking round. That's a steal.

Cheer the fuck up and eat cum, dude.

[htismaqe]

I like Aaron Murray a lot too. But calm down.

Exactly.

It's a fine pick.

There's ZERO chance he unseats Smith.

The ONLY way Murray is the starter in 2015 is if the Chiefs just flat refuse to pay Alex Smith. Murray will never beat him in an open competition.

[RealSNR]

Exactly.

It's a fine pick.

There's ZERO chance he unseats Smith.

The ONLY way Murray is the starter in 2015 is if the Chiefs just flat refuse to pay Alex Smith. Murray will never beat him in an open competition.

Going into today, the Chiefs had Buttchin and Tyler Bray.

They now have Aaron Murray.

Alex Smith is going to get his extension, and it's going to be worth some money, but his team can absolutely NOT gouge Dorsey anymore. They don't have that ability anymore, regardless of whether Murray is ever just a backup or a potential challenger to the throne down the line.

[Rausch]

I'm liking this Murray pick

I love that we have two young guys with big upside at QB that cost us next to nothing.

No risk and possibly very high reward...

[htismaqe]

Going into today, the Chiefs had Buttchin and Tyler Bray.

They now have Aaron Murray.

Alex Smith is going to get his extension, and it's going to be worth some money, but his team can absolutely NOT gouge Dorsey anymore. They don't have that ability anymore, regardless of whether Murray is ever just a backup or a potential challenger to the throne down the line.

The Chiefs would be absolutely retarded to play hardball with Alex Smith thinking they can use Aaron Murray for leverage.

They would absolutely have to be convinced he could start Day 1 of the 2015 season, which is silly.

[htismaqe]

I love that we have two young guys with big upside at QB that cost us next to nothing.

No risk and possibly very high reward...

Yep. Good pick.

[KC_Lee]

When did he say that?

Monday night game against NE. Cassel was out and Palko was starting.

[Hammock Parties]

He's wearing a red helmet. Dude is fucking SUPERMAN.

[RealSNR]

Sucks for him that he won't be able to wear #11, though.

[Baby Lee]

I bet he doesn't put up even 1/5th the career numbers that Bortles does.

Not holding the clipboard for 5 years behind Smith. ;)

[htismaqe]

Not holding the clipboard for 5 years behind Smith. ;)

I too would bet he's holding a clipboard behind Smith. I'll bet he doesn't do it for 5 years though. They'll shop him before that.

[BryanBusby]

The Chiefs would be absolutely retarded to play hardball with Alex Smith thinking they can use Aaron Murray for leverage.

They would absolutely have to be convinced he could start Day 1 of the 2015 season, which is silly.
The Chiefs would be smart to play hardball with Alex Smith because they provide the stability he desperately seeks and they can certainly call his bluff if his party says he can't be replaced.

[htismaqe]

The Chiefs would be smart to play hardball with Alex Smith because they provide the stability he desperately seeks and they can certainly call his bluff if his party says he can't be replaced.

Call his bluff with what as leverage? Aaron Murray?

He isn't even CLOSE to being as good as Alex Smith.

He's a project at best and more than likely a career backup.

[BryanBusby]

Call his bluff with what as leverage? Aaron Murray?

He isn't even CLOSE to being as good as Alex Smith.

He's a project at best and more than likely a career backup.
Aaron Murray has absolutely nothing to do with anything. When did I ever say that? Please highlight that part.

I hear a crazy thing where they have the draft every single year and QB's are in the draft every time.

[Baby Lee]

Call his bluff with what as leverage? Aaron Murray?

He isn't even CLOSE to being as good as Alex Smith.

He's a project at best and more than likely a career backup.

But Gruden!!

[In58men]

Call his bluff with what as leverage? Aaron Murray?

He isn't even CLOSE to being as good as Alex Smith.

He's a project at best and more than likely a career backup.

Aaron Murray has potential to be a threat for Smith. Especially with his beautiful deep ball. Murray needs to be vocal, a leader and throw his ass off. Smith isn't a QB that'll just blow Murray away.

[Exoter175]

Murray's one big downfall that will get him shredded in the NFL, is his tendency to look down his receiver. If he can fix that, he could do very well in this offense with that beautiful spiral and accuracy.

[Chiefshrink]

Perfect WC offense QB for Reid.:thumb:

[Rausch]

Murray's one big downfall that will get him shredded in the NFL, is his tendency to look down his receiver. If he can fix that, he could do very well in this offense with that beautiful spiral and accuracy.

If he can develop into a dependable b/u (go .500 when called upon) I'll be happy.

[htismaqe]

Aaron Murray has absolutely nothing to do with anything. When did I ever say that? Please highlight that part.

I hear a crazy thing where they have the draft every single year and QB's are in the draft every time.

You responded to my post, where I specifically said the Chiefs would be stupid to play hardball USING AARON MURRAY AS LEVERAGE.

If they want to play hardball, fine. But they better have a better plan than threatening Alex Smith with Aaron fucking Murray.

[Exoter175]

If he can develop into a dependable b/u (go .500 when called upon) I'll be happy.

I think that part is almost guaranteed at this point in a WCO with a stout defense. :thumb:

[htismaqe]

Aaron Murray has potential to be a threat for Smith. Especially with his beautiful deep ball. Murray needs to be vocal, a leader and throw his ass off. Smith isn't a QB that'll just blow Murray away.

Aaron Murray doesn't bring anything to the table that Smith does.

He's not good when the pocket breaks down - he usually shits the bed instead of making a heady play or just running for forward progress.

And yes, he has a beautiful deep ball. He also has below average velocity in the intermediate space. His passes to the boundary take FOREVER to get there and in the NFL, those passes result in interceptions more often than not.

[In58men]

Aaron Murray doesn't bring anything to the table that Smith does.

He's not good when the pocket breaks down - he usually shits the bed instead of making a heady play or just running for forward progress.

And yes, he has a beautiful deep ball. He also has below average velocity in the intermediate space. His passes to the boundary take FOREVER to get there and in the NFL, those passes result in interceptions more often than not.

Reid will fix that bro. Let him work his magic on Murray. There's no hope for Smith.

[htismaqe]

Reid will fix that bro. Let him work his magic on Murray. There's no hope for Smith.

I realize that you're down on Smith but forget about Smith for a second.

Aaron Murray doesn't have the upside you think he does. He's not appreciably better than a guy like Kirk Cousins or (shudder) Ricky Stanzi.

Great college QB, limited NFL potential.

[BryanBusby]

You responded to my post, where I specifically said the Chiefs would be stupid to play hardball USING AARON MURRAY AS LEVERAGE.

If they want to play hardball, fine. But they better have a better plan than threatening Alex Smith with Aaron fucking Murray.
I responded to that post because the Chiefs do have leverage and they should use it.

Both sides have leverage and that probably has a lot to do with why contract negotiations are going at a snails pace.

[In58men]

I realize that you're down on Smith but forget about Smith for a second.

Aaron Murray doesn't have the upside you think he does. He's not appreciably better than a guy like Kirk Cousins or (shudder) Ricky Stanzi.

Great college QB, limited NFL potential.

Every quarterback is special in their own way. Murray could be a quick learner especially if Reid is his teacher.

[htismaqe]

Every quarterback is special in their own way. Murray could be a quick learner especially if Reid is his teacher.

Andy Reid can't teach Murray to have better arm strength. A guy can either hit those boundary routes or he can't.

The deep ball just doesn't matter much in this offense. The underneath stuff is much more important and that's where Murray struggles most.

[Exoter175]

Andy Reid can't teach Murray to have better arm strength. A guy can either hit those boundary routes or he can't.

The deep ball just doesn't matter much in this offense. The underneath stuff is much more important and that's where Murray struggles most.

Um, what?:spock:

[htismaqe]

I responded to that post because the Chiefs do have leverage and they should use it.

Both sides have leverage and that probably has a lot to do with why contract negotiations are going at a snails pace.

Well, I actually agree with you there.

However, the post that you quoted didn't say the Chiefs have no leverage. They have plenty of leverage already. Aaron Murray doesn't give them anymore leverage than they already have.

[htismaqe]

Um, what?:spock:

You disagree?

[BryanBusby]

Well, I actually agree with you there.

However, the post that you quoted didn't say the Chiefs have no leverage. They have plenty of leverage already. Aaron Murray doesn't give them anymore leverage than they already have.
It was more of a general statement to what you wrote and not implying that Murray is or isn't leverage.

Basically I was dragging the talk away from Murray because Murray is a non factor in Alex Smith talks beyond the .08% possibility of they really fucking love him for who knows what reason and they decide to end talks with Alex. But we live in reality land and well that's not going to happen.

[Exoter175]

You disagree?

wholeheartedly.

[htismaqe]

It was more of a general statement to what you wrote and not implying that Murray is or isn't leverage.

Basically I was dragging the talk away from Murray because Murray is a non factor in Alex Smith talks beyond the .08% possibility of they really fucking love him for who knows what reason and they decide to end talks with Alex. But we live in reality land and well that's not going to happen.

Then we agree 100%. :D

[htismaqe]

wholeheartedly.

Arm strength hovers around adequate, showing average velocity to the intermediate and deep portions of the field. Passes outside the numbers occasionally take a while to reach their intended target (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1965547-aaron-murray-nfl-draft-2014-highlights-scouting-report-more)

Average arm talent. Has to set his feet and everything needs to be perfect to function well. Could stand to improve his footwork. Marginal deep-ball accuracy -- tends to overstride and forces receivers to adjust. Many passes are pre-determined and often throws to spots. (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/aaron%20-murray?id=2543587)

Murray was a poised leader on the college field always in command of the situation and a passer who made good decisions with the ball. He lacks the measurables and arm strength for the next level but would do well as a second quarterback in a West Coast or timing offense. (http://www.draftinsider.net/reports/2014/QB/Aaron-Murray)

Average arm strength and velocity; not one to win a game with his arm. Lacks the ability to deliver the ball on a rope consistently, and too often his passes take too long to get to the receiver. Several throws down the field are underthrown and require the receiver to come back to the ball. (http://www.draftheadquarters.com/Reports/Aaron-Murray.htm)

[BryanBusby]

Then we agree 100%. :D
To swerve a little more, I think Aaron Murray is somewhat better QB than what you're claiming.

When it comes to him being the one that replaces Alex Smith? Yes. Aaron Murray is going to be a guy that eventually replaces one of the other QB's though and he looks like one of those guys that will be eventually the QB Andy Reid fleeces another team out of draft picks for.

[htismaqe]

To swerve a little more, I think Aaron Murray is somewhat better QB than what you're claiming.

When it comes to him being the one that replaces Alex Smith? Yes. Aaron Murray is going to be a guy that eventually replaces one of the other QB's though and he looks like one of those guys that will be eventually the QB Andy Reid fleeces another team out of draft picks for.

I think people get the impression that I hate the Murray pick. I don't. It's a solid pick with very little downside.

I just can't stand the hyperbole. The dude is likely a career backup QB. He does plenty of things well but he really isn't great at anything.

He's going to have to overcome his height and one of the best ways to do that for a guy like him is to move the pocket and open lanes. The problem is that Murray struggles with his footwork when the pocket moves and that causes him fits.

I don't see him ever being a full-time starter and I sure as hell don't ever see him beating out Alex Smith. Most of the people here are just so starved for a home grown QB that anybody we pick is the next big thing. I think Aaron Murray will probably end up being a better, more dependable version of Chase Daniel.

[Exoter175]

Arm strength hovers around adequate, showing average velocity to the intermediate and deep portions of the field. Passes outside the numbers occasionally take a while to reach their intended target (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1965547-aaron-murray-nfl-draft-2014-highlights-scouting-report-more)

Average arm talent. Has to set his feet and everything needs to be perfect to function well. Could stand to improve his footwork. Marginal deep-ball accuracy -- tends to overstride and forces receivers to adjust. Many passes are pre-determined and often throws to spots. (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/aaron%20-murray?id=2543587)

Murray was a poised leader on the college field always in command of the situation and a passer who made good decisions with the ball. He lacks the measurables and arm strength for the next level but would do well as a second quarterback in a West Coast or timing offense. (http://www.draftinsider.net/reports/2014/QB/Aaron-Murray)

Average arm strength and velocity; not one to win a game with his arm. Lacks the ability to deliver the ball on a rope consistently, and too often his passes take too long to get to the receiver. Several throws down the field are underthrown and require the receiver to come back to the ball. (http://www.draftheadquarters.com/Reports/Aaron-Murray.htm)

Blah blah blah arm strength, guy is accurate as fuck and in a WCO, he's got the tools he needs to play well. It isn't all about arm strength, guy throws a pretty accurate deep ball against some serious coverage.

I remember Peyton's knock being arm strength too, how's his deep ball again?LMAO

[BryanBusby]

His issues from being a starting QB in a West Coast offense are certainly correctable, so I wouldn't go as far as to say he's destined to be a career back up.

He can be a starter, but it's probably not going to be here.

[Exoter175]

His issues from being a starting QB in a West Coast offense are certainly correctable, so I wouldn't go as far as to say he's destined to be a career back up.

He can be a starter, but it's probably not going to be here.

If they fix his footwork and his tendency to stare down his receivers, I see now reason why he couldn't be a starter here if we let Alex go. Guy has tremendous upside in a WCO.

[BryanBusby]

If they fix his footwork and his tendency to stare down his receivers, I see now reason why he couldn't be a starter here if we let Alex go. Guy has tremendous upside in a WCO.
I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's highly unlikely. Andy Reid seems to lust after more athletic guys as his starting QB.

[htismaqe]

Blah blah blah arm strength, guy is accurate as fuck and in a WCO, he's got the tools he needs to play well. It isn't all about arm strength, guy throws a pretty accurate deep ball against some serious coverage.

I remember Peyton's knock being arm strength too, how's his deep ball again?LMAO

I'm guessing you never saw Aaron Murray play prior to him being drafted by the Chiefs.

Go read the scouting reports. You'll see a lot of "passes come up short and in the dirt" and "under throws his receivers a lot".

I get it, you love the guy because the Chiefs finally drafted a QB. That doesn't mean you have to make him out to be something he's not.

And mentioning Peyton Manning is completely fucking silly. It isn't even worth talking about.

[htismaqe]

If they fix his footwork and his tendency to stare down his receivers, I see now reason why he couldn't be a starter here if we let Alex go. Guy has tremendous upside in a WCO.

He also has a problem with seizing up when things break down and completely melting down under pressure.

If they let Alex go and throw Murray to the wolves as early as 2015, I'll retract my previous statement.

He won't be a career backup. He'll be out of the league in 3 to 4 years.

[htismaqe]

I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's highly unlikely. Andy Reid seems to lust after more athletic guys as his starting QB.

Yep.

[Dayze]

Noodle arm

no way.

[Baby Lee]

I'm guessing you never saw Aaron Murray play prior to him being drafted by the Chiefs.

Go read the scouting reports. You'll see a lot of "passes come up short and in the dirt" and "under throws his receivers a lot".

I get it, you love the guy because the Chiefs finally drafted a QB. That doesn't mean you have to make him out to be something he's not.

And mentioning Peyton Manning is completely fucking silly. It isn't even worth talking about.

3:19

And that's a throw they included repeatedly on the highlight

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[htismaqe]

no way.

Not a noodle arm, no.

But has to have absolutely flawless footwork to deliver the ball accurately.

He short hops a lot of balls and his boundary passes tend to float too much.

[htismaqe]

3:19

And that's a throw they included repeatedly on the highlight

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He's wearing shorts and there's no linemen in front of him. Plenty of game film on him - the scouts don't often just make shit up.

[BryanBusby]

One thing I will say is if it weren't for the fact that Andy and Dorsey are completely shrewd when it comes to trading up in the draft, Johnny Manziel would be a Chief and Aaron Murray is never a topic.

[Dayze]

Not a noodle arm, no.

But has to have absolutely flawless footwork to deliver the ball accurately.

He short hops a lot of balls and his boundary passes tend to float too much.

agree. I'm trying to think of a real noodle arm....but drawing a blank. I think his arm strength is probably that of Trent Green

[Hammock Parties]

Not a noodle arm, no.

But has to have absolutely flawless footwork to deliver the ball accurately.

He short hops a lot of balls and his boundary passes tend to float too much.

This is exactly why he reminds me of Trent Green.

He also has a lot of good qualities that Green had, though.

[Exoter175]

I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's highly unlikely. Andy Reid seems to lust after more athletic guys as his starting QB.

Murray isn't athletic? Have you seen him?

I'm guessing you never saw Aaron Murray play prior to him being drafted by the Chiefs.

Go read the scouting reports. You'll see a lot of "passes come up short and in the dirt" and "under throws his receivers a lot".

I get it, you love the guy because the Chiefs finally drafted a QB. That doesn't mean you have to make him out to be something he's not.

And mentioning Peyton Manning is completely fucking silly. It isn't even worth talking about.

Yup, you're right, I don't watch SEC football at all because its never on TV :spock:

Murray is accurate as fuck, that's the bottom line, and in a WCO that's what you NEED more than anything. Bringing up Peyton isn't silly, they knocked his arm strength, which is exactly what they knocked Murray the most on. Does it matter? Not really.

Chad Pennington didn't have arm strength, what did he do? Lead the NFL all time list for completion percentage, that's the kind of shit a WCO needs under Reid. Get with the program dude, we aren't a deep bomb offense, we are a dink and dunk high percentage passing offense. That's it.

He also has a problem with seizing up when things break down and completely melting down under pressure.

If they let Alex go and throw Murray to the wolves as early as 2015, I'll retract my previous statement.

He won't be a career backup. He'll be out of the league in 3 to 4 years.

Won't be out of the league in 3-4 years, and did you even watch some of his bigger games throughout his career? Kid rarely seized up unless that shit was a jailbreak or he saw major overkill coverage, in which case he went to the ground. One of his biggest praises is that he will take what the defense gives him, but doesn't check down immediately. Sounds like a guy who can manage a WCO to me.

[BryanBusby]

Murray isn't athletic? Have you seen him?
Do you think he moves anywhere near as well as Donovan McNabb, Michael Vick and Alex Smith does? Two of those goes got paid from Andy and the other is about to be.

[Exoter175]

Do you think he moves anywhere near as well as Donovan McNabb, Michael Vick and Alex Smith does? Two of those goes got paid from Andy and the other is about to be.

As well? No. Does he move well? Yes. Which is probably why that very same guy drafted him. You know, Reid has a history of drafting/signing replacements before they are needed.......

[htismaqe]

Murray isn't athletic? Have you seen him?

ROFL

EVERY SINGLE SCOUTING REPORT says "isn't very athletic", "doesn't run well", "isn't a scrambler".

Who do you think you're going to fool?

Get with the program dude, we aren't a deep bomb offense, we are a dink and dunk high percentage passing offense. That's it.


No shit? That's strange because I just got done saying EXACTLY THAT. Everybody was RAVING about his deep ball, or were you not paying attention?

He throws a BEAUTIFUL deep pass and you know what? It just doesn't matter because that's not what this offense does.

One of his biggest praises is that he will take what the defense gives him, but doesn't check down immediately. Sounds like a guy who can manage a WCO to me.

One of the most consistent criticisms you'll hear is that he holds the ball too long and doesn't check down when he should.

Look, you can go ahead and have this conversation if you want. I've seen him play A LOT and so have a lot of other people. You can enjoy your fantasy world because you obviously don't know much at all about Aaron Murray.

[Exoter175]

ROFL

EVERY SINGLE SCOUTING REPORT says "isn't very athletic", "doesn't run well", "isn't a scrambler".

Who do you think you're going to fool?



No shit? That's strange because I just got done saying EXACTLY THAT. Everybody was RAVING about his deep ball, or were you not paying attention?

He throws a BEAUTIFUL deep pass and you know what? It just doesn't matter because that's not what this offense does.



One of the most consistent criticisms you'll hear is that he holds the ball too long and doesn't check down when he should.

Look, you can go ahead and have this conversation if you want. I've seen him play A LOT and so have a lot of other people. You can enjoy your fantasy world because you obviously don't know much at all about Aaron Murray.

So what you're saying is, you believe scouting "reports" from no-name websites more than your eyes?

Great, because if you watch his big defensive matchup games, he's pretty fucking athletic if you ask me. I mean christ, I watched him make a back shoulder throw in traffic while getting taken down to the ground, if that isn't athletic, I don't know what is.

[In58men]

ROFL

EVERY SINGLE SCOUTING REPORT says "isn't very athletic", "doesn't run well", "isn't a scrambler".

Who do you think you're going to fool?



No shit? That's strange because I just got done saying EXACTLY THAT. Everybody was RAVING about his deep ball, or were you not paying attention?

He throws a BEAUTIFUL deep pass and you know what? It just doesn't matter because that's not what this offense does.



One of the most consistent criticisms you'll hear is that he holds the ball too long and doesn't check down when he should.

Look, you can go ahead and have this conversation if you want. I've seen him play A LOT and so have a lot of other people. You can enjoy your fantasy world because you obviously don't know much at all about Aaron Murray.

Is Big Ben athletic? Is Manning athletic?

[htismaqe]

Is Big Ben athletic? Is Manning athletic?

Big Ben's left thigh is bigger than Aaron Murray and Peyton Manning is one of the smartest QBs to ever play the game. Just stop already.

[Exoter175]

Big Ben's left thigh is bigger than Aaron Murray and Peyton Manning is one of the smartest QBs to ever play the game. Just stop already.

Quit assuming the Brodie Croyle position with every Chiefs QB we pickup, they can't all be that bad.

I bet you think Chase is good too ROFL

[htismaqe]

So what you're saying is, you believe scouting "reports" from no-name websites more than your eyes?

Nope, I trust my eyes. And what my eyes saw is completely validated by all those scouting reports from "no-name websites" (one of them was NFL.COM ROFL) that AGREE WITH ME.

[htismaqe]

Quit assuming the Brodie Croyle position with every Chiefs QB we pickup, they can't all be that bad.

I bet you think Chase is good too ROFL

Just shut up already. I already said I thought Aaron Murray was a better option than Chase Daniel.

You've gone full retard.

[Strongside]

I love all the 'inaccurate' talk when the guys career completion percentage is something like 67%.

[In58men]

Big Ben's left thigh is bigger than Aaron Murray and Peyton Manning is one of the smartest QBs to ever play the game. Just stop already.

Point proven, you don't have to be athletic or a good scrambler to win have your QBOTF

[Exoter175]

Nope, I trust my eyes. And what my eyes saw is completely validated by all those scouting reports from "no-name websites" (one of them was NFL.COM ROFL) that AGREE WITH ME.

NFL.com also says the Chiefs were draft losers, and the Raiders draft winners. Food for though, they also have Michael Sam as their headline with "history in the making". So much for validation.

Seriously, go back and watch some of his games please.

Just shut up already. I already said I thought Aaron Murray was a better option than Chase Daniel.

You've gone full retard.

I think you've gone full retard with all this talk that Murray isn't athletic enough or have a good enough arm to play in the WCO.

[htismaqe]

Point proven, you don't have to be athletic or a good scrambler to win have your QBOTF

ROFL

Seriously, that's just flat dumb. I don't know how else to say it and I defended you through all the ban talk and all of that.

I respect your opinions but I don't know how else to put it to you - Big Ben is a fucking mountain in the pocket that nobody can bring down on first contact. Peyton Manning has a once-every-25-years tool set.

Aaron Murray has NOTHING in common with either one of them. At all.

[Exoter175]

ROFL

Seriously, that's just flat dumb. I don't know how else to say it and I defended you through all the ban talk and all of that.

I respect your opinions but I don't know how else to put it to you - Big Ben is a fucking mountain in the pocket that nobody can bring down on first contact. Peyton Manning has a once-every-25-years tool set.

Aaron Murray has NOTHING in common with either one of them. At all.

Let me queue up one of your responses.

"He's a Quarterback"

Boom.

[htismaqe]

NFL.com also says the Chiefs were draft losers, and the Raiders draft winners. Food for though, they also have Michael Sam as their headline with "history in the making". So much for validation.

So I guess the fact that I provided 3 other links in about 2 minutes counts for nothing? Seriously, I stated my opinion and then immediately backed it up with links. You're not fooling anybody.

I think you've gone full retard with all this talk that Murray isn't athletic enough or have a good enough arm to play in the WCO.

ROFL

What?

Where did I EVER say he wasn't good enough to play in the WCO? You don't even know what you're arguing against.

I said he's not good enough to BEAT OUT ALEX SMITH. And he isn't. He'll make a nice backup.

In the WCO.

[htismaqe]

I love all the 'inaccurate' talk when the guys career completion percentage is something like 67%.

Who said he was inaccurate?

[Exoter175]

So I guess the fact that I provided 3 other links in about 2 minutes counts for nothing? Seriously, I stated my opinion and then immediately backed it up with links. You're not fooling anybody.



ROFL

What?

Where did I EVER say he wasn't good enough to play in the WCO? You don't even know what you're arguing against.

I said he's not good enough to BEAT OUT ALEX SMITH. And he isn't. He'll make a nice backup.

In the WCO.

THEN WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU COMPLAINING ABOUT?

[In58men]

ROFL

Seriously, that's just flat dumb. I don't know how else to say it and I defended you through all the ban talk and all of that.

I respect your opinions but I don't know how else to put it to you - Big Ben is a ****ing mountain in the pocket that nobody can bring down on first contact. Peyton Manning has a once-every-25-years tool set.

Aaron Murray has NOTHING in common with either one of them. At all.

So you can read the future? He probably can't take a hit like Ben, but you never know if he can develop the skill set as Ben or Manning. There's always a chance. Never know bro.

[Dayze]

you're in the war room; you HAVE to choose between the two players below. who do you pick

Murray
McCarron

[htismaqe]

THEN WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU COMPLAINING ABOUT?

I'm not complaining about anything.

Just because you can't handle the fact that I'm not high as fucking kite because we drafted a QB in the 5th round doesn't mean I'm complaining.

[htismaqe]

you're in the war room; you HAVE to choose between the two players below. who do you pick

Murray
McCarron

I think the offer many of the same things. They're weaknesses offset each other a bit too.

I'd probably go with Murray because I do think he has more upside.

[Exoter175]

you're in the war room; you HAVE to choose between the two players below. who do you pick

Murray
McCarron

Murray.

I'm not complaining about anything.

Just because you can't handle the fact that I'm not high as fucking kite because we drafted a QB in the 5th round doesn't mean I'm complaining.

Sure sounds like you've been trying to shit all over the pick for the last hour or two.

[htismaqe]

So you can read the future? He probably can't take a hit like Ben, but you never know if he can develop the skill set as Ben or Manning. There's always a chance. Never know bro.

You absolutely despise Alex Smith. No offense, but this whole conversation from you just sounds like wishful thinking.

I get it. f I were in your place, like I was a year ago at this time, I would be saying the same things as you. I would cling to any chance, no matter how small, that Alex Smith was on his way out.

But that ship sailed a long time ago. Alex Smith is the starting QB for the KC Chiefs. It is what it is.

[htismaqe]

Sure sounds like you've been trying to shit all over the pick for the last hour or two.

That's because you're completely looking at the entire conversation through rose colored glasses.

Calm down a bit and look at the title of this thread.

Do you REALLY think Aaron Murray is the best QB prospect in this draft?

You've got to understand that being realistic about Aaron Murray isn't the same as being DOWN on the pick.

I like the pick. At the very least, it gives us a shot at getting rid of Daniel's AWFUL AWFUL contract. At best, I think Murray gives us a legitimate potential upgrade at the backup spot over Daniel as well.

I'm just not going to get all giddy about the pick as if it makes this whole draft an A or something. It's a good pick. I like the first 2 picks A LOT more, I think they have a lot more long-term potential impact as starters than Murray does.

[Rasputin]

I'm glad we drafted a quarterback but I hope they don't just hang their hat on him and not look early in the draft next year. Doubtful he gets any playing time behind Chase Daniel if Alex Smith goes down this year.

[Exoter175]

That's because you're completely looking at the entire conversation through rose colored glasses.

Calm down a bit and look at the title of this thread.

Do you REALLY think Aaron Murray is the best QB prospect in this draft?

You've got to understand that being realistic about Aaron Murray isn't the same as being DOWN on the pick.

I like the pick. At the very least, it gives us a shot at getting rid of Daniel's AWFUL AWFUL contract. At best, I think Murray gives us a legitimate potential upgrade at the backup spot over Daniel as well.

I'm just not going to get all giddy about the pick as if it makes this whole draft an A or something. It's a good pick. I like the first 2 picks A LOT more, I think they have a lot more long-term potential impact as starters than Murray does.

I'm going to stop you at the prospect part.

Stop swallowing NFL.com and ESPN.com's cock for 3 minutes and digest what I'm about to tell you.

Is Murray the best prospect for the WCO in our system? Yes, absolutely fucking yes he is. Is he better than Chase? No doubt about it. Will chase stay? Most likely.

Does the guy have all the tangibles to take over for an Alex Smith if he goes down or gets traded or released? Yes, because accuracy takes a paramount in the WCO, and he's got that. Can he start day 1? No. Will he benefit from Alex Smith's tutelage? Yes. Could he eventually unseat Alex for the starting position? Yes. Will any Rookie this year be a Day 1 starter? Doubtful.

We got the guy for our system, not to be a backup, but because we think he's got what it takes to develop into a starter in our system. You don't take a guy like Murray in the 5th round of a limited selection draft because you think he could eventually be your #2. Chase is just fine at the #2, and improving that #2 spot is not a priority.

Common Sense says Reid/Dorsey see something in Murray in this offense, and that's why they jumped.

[Mr. Laz]

It could turn out well

Aaron Murray could really be the next Tom Brady. While Murray is nothing special physically he just has the feel of someone who has 'it'. Of course drafting quarterbacks is always a lot shot, at least this one has a good feel to it. The price was right.

I would love it if Bray and Murray were good enough to get Daniel kicked to the curb.

Speaking of Bray, seems like Murray is Bray's polar opposite. One with great talent but immature and a bit stupid. The other with moderate talent but a real student of the game and smart.

we'll see

[In58men]

You absolutely despise Alex Smith. No offense, but this whole conversation from you just sounds like wishful thinking.

I get it. f I were in your place, like I was a year ago at this time, I would be saying the same things as you. I would cling to any chance, no matter how small, that Alex Smith was on his way out.

But that ship sailed a long time ago. Alex Smith is the starting QB for the KC Chiefs. It is what it is.

Hopefully it's not for long.

[notorious]

Daniel will get moved for a shitty pick, Murray and Bray will continue to be developed to be traded in the following years.


That's what Andy does. He buys low and sales high.

[Mr. Laz]

Daniel will get moved for a shitty pick, Murray and Bray will continue to be developed to be traded in the following years.


That's what Andy does. He buys low and sales high.
sounds like the patriot way .....

[htismaqe]

I'm going to stop you at the prospect part.

Stop swallowing NFL.com and ESPN.com's cock for 3 minutes and digest what I'm about to tell you.

Dude, I posted scouting profiles from DraftInsider, DraftHeadquarters, and BleacherReport too. Do you want me to go find more because there's DOZENS more out there.

Furthermore, I'm not GETTING my opinion from anywhere other than WATCHING HIM PLAY. I posted those because they validate my opinion.

So far you've done nothing to counter that other than to ignore the facts and try to explain it away as some of group-think mindfuck. It's weak.

Is Murray the best prospect for the WCO in our system? Yes, absolutely fucking yes he is.

Better than Manziel or Carr? ROFL

Is he better than Chase? No doubt about it.

Absolutely agree.

Will chase stay? Most likely.

I actually agree here too. I really hope not, especially given Daniel's awful contract, but these guys don't seem the type to hand the #2 job to a rookie.

Does the guy have all the tangibles to take over for an Alex Smith if he goes down

No, for the same reason that he won't start Day 1 (your comment below).

or gets traded or released? Yes, because accuracy takes a paramount in the WCO, and he's got that.

Alex Smith isn't getting traded. If Alex Smith doesn't get renewed, Murray would have to be ready to start opening day 2015. That's a pretty tall order IMO but we'll see.

Can he start day 1? No. Will he benefit from Alex Smith's tutelage? Yes. Could he eventually unseat Alex for the starting position? Yes. Will any Rookie this year be a Day 1 starter? Doubtful. [/quote]

I agree with all but the last. Bortles is gonna start. I wouldn't be surprised to see Carr start at some point and probably Manziel as well (although that will probably end up being more of a PR decision than a football one IMO).

We got the guy for our system, not to be a backup, but because we think he's got what it takes to develop into a starter in our system. You don't take a guy like Murray in the 5th round of a limited selection draft because you think he could eventually be your #2. Chase is just fine at the #2, and improving that #2 spot is not a priority.

I don't know why they picked him. That's not something I even care about. I don't necessarily disagree with anything you said here but that wasn't my argument. Even if you're right and they didn't draft him to assume the #2 role, I still don't think he'll ever be more than the #2. Lots and lots of people agree with me.

Common Sense says Reid/Dorsey see something in Murray in this offense, and that's why they jumped.

Jumped at what? He was a 5th round pick for God's sake.

[Rasputin]

It could turn out well

Aaron Murray could really be the next Tom Brady. While Murray is nothing special physically he just has the feel of someone who has 'it'. Of course drafting quarterbacks is always a lot shot, at least this one has a good feel to it. The price was right.

I would love it if Bray and Murray were good enough to get Daniel kicked to the curb.

Speaking of Bray, seems like Murray is Bray's polar opposite. One with great talent but immature and a bit stupid. The other with moderate talent but a real student of the game and smart.

we'll see


And if he is not? This is kind of what bugs me is that Dorsey is doing what Pioli did and we ran Pioli out of town. I don't get why they can't go early pick on a quarterback and say he is our guy with confidence? Instead we take blind feelers out in late rounds and mark him as the next "Tom Brady"

I'm glad we picked a quarterback but I don't see anything different to what Dorsey is doing than what Pioli did.

[notorious]

sounds like the patriot way .....

BITE YOUR TONGUE!

[xztop123]

Jimmy Garoppolo will be the best QB IMO. His feet are the best. Aaron Murray could be second (given that either of them gets a chance)

[RealSNR]

And if he is not? This is kind of what bugs me is that Dorsey is doing what Pioli did and we ran Pioli out of town. I don't get why they can't go early pick on a quarterback and say he is our guy with confidence? Instead we take blind feelers out in late rounds and mark him as the next "Tom Brady"

I'm glad we picked a quarterback but I don't see anything different to what Dorsey is doing than what Pioli did.

If Alex Smith plays like Matt Cassel the next three seasons and the only QB the Chiefs draft in that span is Aaron Murray, you'll have a point.

[notorious]

Jimmy Garoppolo will be the best QB IMO. His feet are the best. Aaron Murray could be second (given that either of them gets a chance)

/Rex Ryan

[htismaqe]

It could turn out well

Aaron Murray could really be the next Tom Brady. While Murray is nothing special physically he just has the feel of someone who has 'it'. Of course drafting quarterbacks is always a lot shot, at least this one has a good feel to it. The price was right.

I would love it if Bray and Murray were good enough to get Daniel kicked to the curb.

Speaking of Bray, seems like Murray is Bray's polar opposite. One with great talent but immature and a bit stupid. The other with moderate talent but a real student of the game and smart.

we'll see

The problem is that Tom Brady is 6'4" and 225.

Aaron Murray is legitimately short, has a nagging history of batted balls at the line, and struggles moving the pocket to open up throwing lanes.

It's not a real good comparison.

Here's to hoping he can be Drew Brees, though.

[Ragged Robin]

It's sad that the 4th QB on the depth chart is the most exciting and talked about pick of our draft.

[RippedmyFlesh]

Just shut up already. I already said I thought Aaron Murray was a better option than Chase Daniel.

You've gone full retard.

No leverage with smith but with everyone else. smith bray murray sounds good for now.

[Exoter175]

It's sad that the 4th QB on the depth chart is the most exciting and talked about pick of our draft.

4th according to whom?

He's more talented than #2 and #3, but he's a rookie so he wont' take over those spots immediately, or so we don't think.

[notorious]

No leverage with smith but with everyone else. smith bray murray sounds good for now.

If Alex Smith goes down, we can see what we have in development.


If Alex stays healthy, we are going to win some games.


I don't see a down side.

With Daniels as a backup, this team learns nothing and does nothing.

[carcosa]

Is it any surprise that OldSchool likes all our draft picks except Aaron Murray?

Dude, we got him in the 5th ****ing round. That's a steal.

Cheer the **** up and eat cum, dude.

I can think of a few deserts that would be slightly more enticing...

[BryanBusby]

Is it any surprise that OldSchool likes all our draft picks except Aaron Murray?

Dude, we got him in the 5th fucking round. That's a steal.

Cheer the fuck up and eat cum, dude.
idk where the narrative is that Aaron Murray is a steal.

He went pretty much where he should of gone.

[htismaqe]

idk where the narrative is that Aaron Murray is a steal.

He went pretty much where he should of gone.

I think he probably would have gone higher without the ACL. So in that sense, we got good value because of his injury.

[aturnis]

It could turn out well

Aaron Murray could really be the next Tom Brady. While Murray is nothing special physically he just has the feel of someone who has 'it'. Of course drafting quarterbacks is always a lot shot, at least this one has a good feel to it. The price was right.

I would love it if Bray and Murray were good enough to get Daniel kicked to the curb.

Speaking of Bray, seems like Murray is Bray's polar opposite. One with great talent but immature and a bit stupid. The other with moderate talent but a real student of the game and smart.

we'll see

Exactly. Bray seems like the guy you coach up and get picks for. Murray seems like the guy you attempt to mold.

[Baby Lee]

It's sad that the 4th QB on the depth chart is the most exciting and talked about pick of our draft.

We have some psychotic QB obsessives, with an assful of Smith hate.

[BryanBusby]

I think he probably would have gone higher without the ACL. So in that sense, we got good value because of his injury.
I don't think the ACL was a factor since he was healthy enough to do drills and should be ready for camp.

[RunKC]

I don't know why people think that Aaron Murray's ceiling is a backup. If you really think this, then watch the following games and tell me he's a backup.

LSU 2013
South Carolina 2012 and 2013
Tennesse 2013
MU 2012
Auburn 2012
Nebraska Bowl game 2012

Hell even against Auburn he threw over 400 yards last year. This guy has the potential to be a very good starter with our staff.

[Baby Lee]

I don't think the ACL was a factor since he was healthy enough to do drills and should be ready for camp.

But don't forget, every finger sprain our other draft picks have will put them at some fast food fry station within 2 years.

[BryanBusby]

But don't forget, every finger sprain our other draft picks have will put them at some fast food fry station within 2 years.
pretty much which is why I laughed when people raged earlier.

Oh man, people who played a violent sport had injuries. argghhhhh

[aturnis]

The problem is that Tom Brady is 6'4" and 225.

Aaron Murray is legitimately short, has a nagging history of batted balls at the line, and struggles moving the pocket to open up throwing lanes.

It's not a real good comparison.

Here's to hoping he can be Drew Brees, though.

Actually he doesn't get a lot of balls batted down...

[Mr. Laz]

The problem is that Tom Brady is 6'4" and 225.

Aaron Murray is legitimately short, has a nagging history of batted balls at the line, and struggles moving the pocket to open up throwing lanes.

It's not a real good comparison.

Here's to hoping he can be Drew Brees, though.
I didn't mean that they look alike etc

I mean that neither is a stud and the strength of both are intangibles for the most part. If Murray was 6'4 he would have gone in the 1st.

[carcosa]

But don't forget, every finger sprain our other draft picks have will put them at some fast food fry station within 2 years.

You need healthy fingers to work a fryer.

[RealSNR]

I don't know why people think that Aaron Murray's ceiling is a backup. If you really think this, then watch the following games and tell me he's a backup.

LSU 2013
South Carolina 2012 and 2013
Tennesse 2013
MU 2012
Auburn 2012
Nebraska Bowl game 2012

Hell even against Auburn he threw over 400 yards last year. This guy has the potential to be a very good starter with our staff.

I think they're saying his floor is as a backup.

And realistically, that's good enough for a 5th round pick I think. I don't see Aaron Murray bombing out of the NFL. That's not very likely at all. He's got a great shot at being a valuable QB on a team for years to come.

He might even be a starter. He definitely has that ability.

[htismaqe]

I think they're saying his floor is as a backup.

And realistically, that's good enough for a 5th round pick I think. I don't see Aaron Murray bombing out of the NFL. That's not very likely at all. He's got a great shot at being a valuable QB on a team for years to come.

He might even be a starter. He definitely has that ability.

Like I said before, here's to hoping he can pull a Drew Brees. He's certainly walking into an almost ideal situation with Reid and Co.

[BryanBusby]

I think Chip Kelly pretty much nailed it.

“When you draft someone in the sixth round and you say, ‘Hey, we got a steal,’ my first question is, why didn’t you take him in the fifth, then?” Kelly said. “If you’re so smart and you knew what you knew and you knew everything about the draft and you knew the guy was going to be an All-Pro — the people who brag about, ‘We got a sixth-round pick and he became an All-Pro player’ — then the first question is, well why didn’t you draft him earlier if you were so smart? A lot of times you don’t know.”

[Valiant]

I will get hated on by some for this.

But here is hoping we trade Smith or let him walk. I would love to see a young QB battle with new WRs that are hungry to prove themselves. It will cost us some games, but I think it is our only shot at winning a playoff game. We need to hit the lottery for once on a QB.

[RunKC]

And another thing that I discussed earlier. Why the the **** are these football stupid GM's not drafting backup QB's?

I mean ****. The Atlanta Falcons had TWO 5th round picks, one at 5.7. Their backup QB is Dominique Davis. Yes, Dominique mother****ing Davis.
Why the **** would you not draft an Aaron Murray, AJ McCarron or Zach Mettenberger?

At least then you have a viable cheap option in case Matt Ryan gets injured instead of absolute garbage in Dominique Davis.

[htismaqe]

I will get hated on by some for this.

But here is hoping we trade Smith or let him walk. I would love to see a young QB battle with new WRs that are hungry to prove themselves. It will cost us some games, but I think it is our only shot at winning a playoff game. We need to hit the lottery for once on a QB.

Smith has 1 year left on his deal. He's not getting traded. I just don't see it.

If he's absolutely set on getting $18M+ a year, then yeah, I hope they don't sign him for that.

I'd just as soon see them do something a little more substantial at the position if that's the plan though...

[htismaqe]

And another thing that I discussed earlier. Why the the **** are these football stupid GM's not drafting backup QB's?

I mean ****. The Atlanta Falcons had TWO 5th round picks, one at 5.7. Their backup QB is Dominique Davis. Yes, Dominique mother****ing Davis.
Why the **** would you not draft an Aaron Murray, AJ McCarron or Zach Mettenberger?

At least then you have a viable cheap option in case Matt Ryan gets injured instead of absolute garbage in Dominique Davis.

Great point.

That's the biggest reason to be stoked about Murray. He's a definite backup at the very least. There's no reason to NOT draft the guy.

[RealSNR]

And another thing that I discussed earlier. Why the the **** are these football stupid GM's not drafting backup QB's?

I mean ****. The Atlanta Falcons had TWO 5th round picks, one at 5.7. Their backup QB is Dominique Davis. Yes, Dominique mother****ing Davis.
Why the **** would you not draft an Aaron Murray, AJ McCarron or Zach Mettenberger?

At least then you have a viable cheap option in case Matt Ryan gets injured instead of absolute garbage in Dominique Davis.

http://sports.cbsimg.net/u/photos/football/nfl/img16909993.jpg

[BryanBusby]

And another thing that I discussed earlier. Why the the **** are these football stupid GM's not drafting backup QB's?

I mean ****. The Atlanta Falcons had TWO 5th round picks, one at 5.7. Their backup QB is Dominique Davis. Yes, Dominique mother****ing Davis.
Why the **** would you not draft an Aaron Murray, AJ McCarron or Zach Mettenberger?

At least then you have a viable cheap option in case Matt Ryan gets injured instead of absolute garbage in Dominique Davis.
It's a process.

[htismaqe]

It's a process.

Right 53.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

How'd Atlanta's draft turn out this season? Did Atlanta get scootered?

[In58men]

Right 53.

On or off the streets?

[Exoter175]

How'd Atlanta's draft turn out this season? Did Atlanta get scootered?

IMO, they had a fucking awesome ass draft. :thumb:

[BryanBusby]

How'd Atlanta's draft turn out this season? Did Atlanta get scootered?
Nothing exceptionally stupid. I think they told him to go out of town.

[teedubya]

Gruden sold me on him.

:whackit:

BACK SHOULDER FADE!!!!11

[htismaqe]

On or off the streets?

I was just on my way to get some Sonic, man.

[Chiefaholic]

One of our qbs aren't going to make the cut...I hate to say it, but it's likely going to be Bray

Most NFL pundits are stating that Murray will battle for the third spot with Bray. However, I feel Daniel better be looking over his shoulder. The guy simply makes too much cash to be the #2 and Bray has been in the system for a year. I'd have no problem cutting ties with Chase and use his cash to assist with extending Houston. Bray and Murray can learn the scheme this season, then battle it out next year if Smith isn't extended for a reasonable price.

[htismaqe]

I really hope you guys are right about Daniel being the odd man out.

I want him to be but all of my years as a Chiefs fan has conditioned me to expect the opposite.

[Valiant]

I really hope you guys are right about Daniel being the odd man out.

I want him to be but all of my years as a Chiefs fan has conditioned me to expect the opposite.

Yeah, aren't journeyman backup QBs someone who can come in at a high short level to win you a game?

Bray has more tools imo.

[jonzie04]

Pretty happy to get Murray in the 5th. Time to get rid of Daniel. I hate the idea of having a number two qb who lacks the potential to take over the reins as the franchise qb. Especially one who makes the kind of money chase does. I have no idea if Murray will ever amount to anything. But the potential is there and he was a 5th round low investment pick. Not a lot to be upset about imo.

[Anyong Bluth]

You need healthy fingers to work a fryer.

That's speculative, at best.

just takes finding the right motivated hobo(s)

[htismaqe]

Pretty happy to get Murray in the 5th. Time to get rid of Daniel. I hate the idea of having a number two qb who lacks the potential to take over the reins as the franchise qb. Especially one who makes the kind of money chase does. I have no idea if Murray will ever amount to anything. But the potential is there and he was a 5th round low investment pick. Not a lot to be upset about imo.

Totally agree.

[Chiefnj2]

Why does anyone like Murray? Not accurate, not a strong arm, doesn't have the measurables, came up short in big games ...

[htismaqe]

Why does anyone like Murray? Not accurate, not a strong arm, doesn't have the measurables, came up short in big games ...

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[Cmd'r&Chief]

Most NFL pundits are stating that Murray will battle for the third spot with Bray. However, I feel Daniel better be looking over his shoulder. The guy simply makes too much cash to be the #2 and Bray has been in the system for a year. I'd have no problem cutting ties with Chase and use his cash to assist with extending Houston. Bray and Murray can learn the scheme this season, then battle it out next year if Smith isn't extended for a reasonable price.

I'd like to think you're right, and I hope you are. But I don't think they'll get rid of Daniels. I think they value him too much as a back up.

I hope to God they dump Daniels off this season though.

[Cmd'r&Chief]

I think Chip Kelly pretty much nailed it.

“When you draft someone in the sixth round and you say, ‘Hey, we got a steal,’ my first question is, why didn’t you take him in the fifth, then?” Kelly said. “If you’re so smart and you knew what you knew and you knew everything about the draft and you knew the guy was going to be an All-Pro — the people who brag about, ‘We got a sixth-round pick and he became an All-Pro player’ — then the first question is, well why didn’t you draft him earlier if you were so smart? A lot of times you don’t know.”

This draft technique has been used for decades. A team finds a guy they like, but highly anticipated they can wait til a later round to pick their guy up. Then with the higher round picks, they can select other players they value, that they highly anticipated will NOT be there in the later rounds.

Chip Kelly thinks he knows everything. But if he drafts with that mentality, he's going to give up some high round picks, on low round players, when he could have waited 2-3 rounds to pick up the same guy.

[RunKC]

So anyone think this guy could actually be good?

I mean...his pocket presence and confidence look significantly better than Alex Smith's. Also has pro-style offense experience so he can read defenses better in pre-snap.

Shrugs

[rico]

So anyone think this guy could actually be good?

I mean...his pocket presence and confidence look significantly better than Alex Smith's. Also has pro-style offense experience so he can read defenses better in pre-snap.

Shrugs

Gruden sure JIMP'd about him....which he JIMP's a lot, but I mean...he probably had reserves and JIMP'd a 2nd time after watching Murray (from the way he talked about him).

[RobBlake]

hes like alex, but not mobile

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Noodle arm

This.

[Tribal Warfare]

So anyone think this guy could actually be good?

I mean...his pocket presence and confidence look significantly better than Alex Smith's. Also has pro-style offense experience so he can read defenses better in pre-snap.

Shrugs

He'll have to be a complete surgeon on the field no mistakes correct reads because he doesn't have the arm talent to force one if he's a little late. He could be successful, but he'll have to be a complete master of his craft to succeed.

[Deberg_1990]

King of the back shoulder fade!

[Simply Red]

couldn't be worse than that midget dual chin fuckoo

[Mr. Flopnuts]

couldn't be worse than that midget dual chin fuckoo

ROFL YSN

[MahiMike]

Peyton Manning has a noodle arm too. Just saying.

[RealSNR]

couldn't be worse than that midget dual chin fuckoo

I like you

[Simply Red]

I like you

This was a warm post.

[Simply Red]

ROFL YSN

I like you



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[Tribal Warfare]

Peyton Manning has a noodle arm too. Just saying.

In all honesty, if he hits his ceiling of the Chad Pennington echelon then I believe KC has their Franchise QB. Like Chad, he'll be a methodical and cerebral QB that will dissect the opposition if he does develop.