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pugsnotdrugs19
06-09-2014, 07:54 PM
Can't say the guy isn't trying to be the elite tackle he was drafted to be.

Here is link:

https://twitter.com/ArrowheadAddict/status/476159432175284224

Ragged Robin
06-09-2014, 07:55 PM
cheeseburgers or muscle?

Dayze
06-09-2014, 07:57 PM
he must have been reading all of the food threads on CP

pugsnotdrugs19
06-09-2014, 07:57 PM
Muscle according to Arrowhead Addict.

cmh6476
06-09-2014, 08:00 PM
he must have been reading all of the food threads on CP

wonder how many trips to golden corral?

Hammock Parties
06-09-2014, 08:01 PM
Unless he's on something he didn't gain 30 pounds of muscle in an offseason.

TEX
06-09-2014, 08:02 PM
cheeseburgers or muscle?

Hoping its Roids = Muscle
Whatever it takes to make him better.

Dayze
06-09-2014, 08:02 PM
he needs it since he got run over a few times per game......on the right side.

ThaVirus
06-09-2014, 08:08 PM
Good. Guy needed some weights in his pockets.

notorious
06-09-2014, 08:10 PM
I don't care how he got there, I just care about the result.

Chief_For_Life58
06-09-2014, 08:12 PM
nobody gaining 10 pounds a month unless 8 of em are complete fat. so I kinda hope that's not true

BossChief
06-09-2014, 08:14 PM
No way it's good weight. Not a chance. Unless he was hooked up with the highest level of designer steroids.

He has had multiple surgeries this offseason and if I had to venture an educated guess, I'd say he had to be off his feet for a month and was told to put on weight so when he hit the strength and conditioning program full strength, he could transfer that new weight into muscle faster. Kinda how body builders gain weight a lot.

If they really wanted him to add 10pounds of muscle this offseason, that's the best way to do it...given all the factors involved.

mlyonsd
06-09-2014, 08:14 PM
I wonder if he's a closet eater and lurks here on CP.

Chief_For_Life58
06-09-2014, 08:16 PM
hell he was 245 his freshman year of college though right?

CoMoChief
06-09-2014, 08:17 PM
Hopefully it's muscle.

He looked like a very thin tackle IMO. He was getting overpowered a lot last season.

But he's playing on his natural side, now. Hopefully by doing this he'll be able to plant and maintain leverage more and that alone will make him play a little bit stronger. I just hope he hit the weights this offseason.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad
06-09-2014, 08:37 PM
There's nothing wrong with most of it being fat. His lean frame scared the shit out of me when they drafted his worthless ass. This is good news. I'm sure he's stronger

Rudy tossed tigger's salad
06-09-2014, 08:39 PM
Plus it wouldn't surprise me if was at 285-290 3 months ago.

Bowser
06-09-2014, 08:40 PM
Move him to guard! /Sacc

Chief_For_Life58
06-09-2014, 08:45 PM
probably just eating pounds of wings and cheese fries from the peanut

Iowanian
06-09-2014, 08:48 PM
I can't speak for Fisher but when I was in the gym, lifting, eating like I was supposed to, drinking a lot of water, sleeping a lot and taking basic supplements, I was gaining a 3-4lbs per week when I was trying to gain.

On his frame, with proper nutrition I don't have a problem believing he could put on significant weight in that much time. My guess is if he is on full feed he might have 15-20lbs of muscle and some belly muscle.

It's possible.

Chiefnj2
06-09-2014, 08:53 PM
If he put on 30 lbs wouldn't there have been an OTA report over the last two weeks that he looks bigger?

baitism
06-09-2014, 09:28 PM
Hopefully he bulked up his labia.

Dayze
06-09-2014, 09:30 PM
Hopefully he bulked up his labia.

LMAO

hometeam
06-09-2014, 09:36 PM
All natural baby.

http://blogimages.thescore.com/nfl/files/2010/11/steroid4.jpg

Hammock Parties
06-09-2014, 09:38 PM
I can't speak for Fisher but when I was in the gym, lifting, eating like I was supposed to, drinking a lot of water, sleeping a lot and taking basic supplements, I was gaining a 3-4lbs per week when I was trying to gain

Pure muscle, too, I bet.

Total bullshit.

Dayze
06-09-2014, 09:38 PM
measurables FTW

OldSchool
06-09-2014, 09:40 PM
It's possible to add that much mostly good weight in that frame of time. He had to have been eating 8k+ calories a day easily plus taking lots of protein and creatine supplements. It's fine as long as it's about a 70-30 ratio of muscle to fat, as long as he added significant strength, the extra weight and good health alone should help him anchor better.

Eleazar
06-09-2014, 09:42 PM
Good news. Head seems to be in the right place if he's working that hard.

tecumseh
06-09-2014, 09:45 PM
No way it's good weight. Not a chance. Unless he was hooked up with the highest level of designer steroids.

He has had multiple surgeries this offseason and if I had to venture an educated guess, I'd say he had to be off his feet for a month and was told to put on weight so when he hit the strength and conditioning program full strength, he could transfer that new weight into muscle faster. Kinda how body builders gain weight a lot.

If they really wanted him to add 10pounds of muscle this offseason, that's the best way to do it...given all the factors involved.

Money.

Rasputin
06-09-2014, 09:48 PM
Can he block on the left side?

That is the question I think is most important.


Can he hold his own for a #1 over all pick LT prospect?

ChiefsCountry
06-09-2014, 09:57 PM
Hopefully it helps Eric "Jozwiak" Fisher this year.

wazu
06-09-2014, 10:14 PM
And Jamarcus Fisher continues on his path.

58-4ever
06-09-2014, 10:15 PM
It's possible to add that much mostly good weight in that frame of time. He had to have been eating 8k+ calories a day easily plus taking lots of protein and creatine supplements. It's fine as long as it's about a 70-30 ratio of muscle to fat, as long as he added significant strength, the extra weight and good health alone should help him anchor better.

pretty much all of this

'Hamas' Jenkins
06-09-2014, 10:20 PM
There is no fucking way that happened. You need to consume 3000 extra calories to add a pound of weight. In three months that's 90,000 calories extra, all of which is lean and converted into muscle. Essentially 1000 calories converted into lean muscle mass per day.

jonzie04
06-09-2014, 10:32 PM
Its not good to gain that much weight that fast. I gained around 20-30lbs my first semester of college in my shot puttin days and I lost quite a bit of explosiveness and mobility for a minimal strength gain. Hopefully fisher didn't lose too much mobility. Unless he's juicing or just started working out, or was sick and put the weight back on, 90+ percent of his weight gain is pure fat.

Gadzooks
06-09-2014, 10:45 PM
That 30lbs should help him in his run blocking as a RT.

Hammock Parties
06-09-2014, 10:54 PM
There is no fucking way that happened.

LMAO

Eric Fisher is the Matt Cassel of this regime, and Hamas is going to take a lead pipe to his knees at every opportunity.

AustinChief
06-09-2014, 10:54 PM
There is no fucking way that happened. You need to consume 3000 extra calories to add a pound of weight. In three months that's 90,000 calories extra, all of which is lean and converted into muscle. Essentially 1000 calories converted into lean muscle mass per day.

The consensus among weight trainers seems to be that 5 lbs of pure muscle is the absolute max you can put on in a month. Anything over that is crazy talk. A more reasonable expectation would be 2lbs/month. Of course I'm sure this varies a bit by the overall size of the individual and how close to maxed out they are.

No way I'm believing that he put on 30 lbs of MUSCLE in 3 months. He'd be lucky as hell if 15 of that is muscle, and more likely that it's closer to 10.

Pepe Silvia
06-09-2014, 10:54 PM
All natural baby.

http://blogimages.thescore.com/nfl/files/2010/11/steroid4.jpg

I was young but I remember "The Incredible Bust." It's good to see he turned his life around though.

Hammock Parties
06-09-2014, 10:56 PM
The consensus among weight trainers seems to be that 5 lbs of pure muscle is the absolute max you can put on in a month.

I wonder how one even does that.

How often and how heavy do you have to lift to convert extra calories to muscle at a rate of 0.16 lbs/day?

ThaVirus
06-09-2014, 10:58 PM
Unless he's juicing or just started working out, or was sick and put the weight back on, 90+ percent of his weight gain is pure fat.


This is truth.

Chief Roundup
06-09-2014, 10:58 PM
I agree that you don't ever put on pure muscle. But if he has put on 30 lbs he needs to lose some to fall to a better weight. He weight was 305 lbs I don't know that he needs to play at 335 lbs any way. Albert, Thomas, Long are all 315 to 320 lbs. If he keeps only have of that he should be at a decent weight. Training camp should help him burn the water and fat off while adding a little more muscle or maintaining the muscle he did add.

AustinChief
06-09-2014, 11:02 PM
I wonder how one even does that.

How often and how heavy do you have to lift to convert extra calories to muscle at a rate of 0.16 lbs/day?

No clue. From what I am told it is ridiculously difficult and 2/lbs per month is much more realistic.

Tribal Warfare
06-09-2014, 11:17 PM
All natural baby.

http://blogimages.thescore.com/nfl/files/2010/11/steroid4.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Y68RWETdWRo/UVPQFQwyOdI/AAAAAAAAK_k/SpD_I6q_X_c/s1600/jaredveldheer-horz.jpg

Tribal Warfare
06-09-2014, 11:18 PM
I was young but I remember "The Incredible Bust." It's good to see he turned his life around though.

I had both SI issues

Discuss Thrower
06-09-2014, 11:21 PM
And nobody here's considering the fact this statement could be 100% exaggeration on Fisher's part.

Tribal Warfare
06-09-2014, 11:22 PM
And nobody here's considering the fact this statement could be 100% exaggeration on Fisher's part.

We'll find out soon

Gadzooks
06-09-2014, 11:39 PM
I've heard, through a 3rd party source, that the 30lbs were gained through a massive ingestion of semen over the off-season. This could be legit.

Demonpenz
06-09-2014, 11:53 PM
Lattimer has put on 30 pounds of rip in one summer and an a attitude to go with it?

Pepe Silvia
06-09-2014, 11:56 PM
Lattimer has put on 30 pounds of rip in one summer and an a attitude to go with it?

Great movie.

ModSocks
06-10-2014, 12:07 AM
The quote is taken out of context most likely. He probably means he's had to put 30lbs back on to get back to his normal playing weight after the surgery, rather than his playing weight + 30lbs.

That seems most logical to me.

beach tribe
06-10-2014, 12:11 AM
Unless he's on something he didn't gain 30 pounds of muscle in an offseason.

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beach tribe
06-10-2014, 12:12 AM
I need to read the damn thread before I post.

beach tribe
06-10-2014, 12:18 AM
No clue. From what I am told it is ridiculously difficult and 2/lbs per month is much more realistic.

It can be done, especially if he was down a little because of surgery.
You have to remember the guy is 6'8". It is MUCH less weight per inch than a guy who is as tall as 6'3" even.
He is a mountain of a man, and every report said he had the frame to bulk up.
And who the hell knows what an NFL strength team has up their sleeves for this kind of thing.
Shit I would guess I've put on 5 lbs of lean mass in the last 25 days.

bowener
06-10-2014, 12:26 AM
I would imagine he lost quite a bit of weight after his surgeries, so I can see him bulking up real fast once he got to lift weights again.

beach tribe
06-10-2014, 12:34 AM
There is no ****ing way that happened. You need to consume 3000 extra calories to add a pound of weight. In three months that's 90,000 calories extra, all of which is lean and converted into muscle. Essentially 1000 calories converted into lean muscle mass per day.

3000 calories to add a pound of FAT. Not lean Muscle.
Were talking 1-1.5 G of Protein a day per pound and a high calorie diet for guy who is 6'8 300 lbs.
If he's packing mass with the intention of lowering the weight of his lifts, increasing reps, and burning off the BS during camp, it would put him at about 315 at the start of the season and his trainers will have accomplished their goals in boss status.
Or he could have been eating a tub of Ben and Jerry's every night.
Watching the the true fan High Five gif over and over with rocky road stains on his 3 day old wife beater tank, waiting on Jamarcus Russel to get to his house
#1 overalls only baby.
Fn Paid!!

Hammock Parties
06-10-2014, 01:22 AM
3000 calories to add a pound of FAT. Not lean Muscle.

You have to eat at a caloric surplus to gain muscle too, idiot.

He did not gain 30 pounds of muscle.

Simply Red
06-10-2014, 02:11 AM
I can't WAIT to watch this guy play after he's gained these 30#'s of muscle!

crazycoffey
06-10-2014, 02:17 AM
I can't speak for Fisher but when I was in the gym, lifting, eating like I was supposed to, drinking a lot of water, sleeping a lot and taking basic supplements, I was gaining a 3-4lbs per week when I was trying to gain.

On his frame, with proper nutrition I don't have a problem believing he could put on significant weight in that much time. My guess is if he is on full feed he might have 15-20lbs of muscle and some belly muscle.

It's possible.

Homer.....

UK_Chief
06-10-2014, 03:40 AM
Roids

Marcellus
06-10-2014, 03:50 AM
They guy could have put on 30lbs and 10lbs of it being muscle and it would be fine. You gain ancillary weight when you add muscle. Nobody adds "pure muscle" on.

Though you will hear people say they put on X amount of weight and its all muscle I think the better term is its good weight. He didn't just get fatter, I hope.

mcaj22
06-10-2014, 04:37 AM
They guy could have put on 30lbs and 10lbs of it being muscle and it would be fine. You gain ancillary weight when you add muscle. Nobody adds "pure muscle" on.

Though you will hear people say they put on X amount of weight and its all muscle I think the better term is its good weight. He didn't just get fatter, I hope.

you could if you cheat. which is what like 60% of the league does anyway

chiefzilla1501
06-10-2014, 05:02 AM
I feel like if this were true, one of the many who saw the voluntary workouts would have said something. Or at least confirmed or denied. I agree with others that it could easily just be weight gained back since he had surgery and also because end of season, you lose a lot of weight. Not to mention he could be exaggerating as anyone might do in casual conversation.

Dunerdr
06-10-2014, 05:06 AM
All you no working out mother fuckers chiming in. When I lift heavy and eat I can do an easy 5 healthy pounds in a month that's 1-1.5 hours of hard training a day. Now if I was recovering from a long season and surgery I'd be lighter than normal. Now give me all fucking day to eat lift shit then repeat I could possibly do damn close to 18-20 lbs. now throw in a dietician pro trainers and a gym from hell. Not to mention a huge frame to pack it on. It really doesn't matter how much good weight it is as long as he's stronger and still mobile.

Added strength a healthy shoulder and a year in the system are gonna be good for the kid.

Simply Red
06-10-2014, 05:16 AM
This is EXACTLY what we've needed, I'm glad he chose fitness to help him anchor.

This guy has Hall of fame written all over him!

30 lbs. of muscle? This is amazing!

KCUnited
06-10-2014, 05:28 AM
Must have gone vegan.

loochy
06-10-2014, 05:34 AM
30 lbs. of muscle? This is amazing!

Yeah it is! :rolleyes:

loochy
06-10-2014, 05:35 AM
Can't say the guy isn't trying to be the elite tackle he was drafted to be.

Did anyone ever say that he wasn't TRYING?

I just thought he's not that good.

OldSchool
06-10-2014, 05:44 AM
Also, it's fine if it's not "pure muscle". He's an offensive lineman, not a body builder. As others have mentioned, you can attribute at least 30% of that weight to bulk and muscle regained from rest due to injuries and surgery. While his upper body (shoulder) may still not be recovered enough for him to have full contact in practice, he could still be lifting at about 75-85% for all we know and may be able to do virtually everything in the weight room. Although it's generally more effective, if you're trying to bulk, to go heavier (90% range), you can still do it while lifting less than the ideal weight especially if you have the benefit of great nutritionalists and full time access to some of the best athletic strength trainers in the world.

Bewbies
06-10-2014, 05:51 AM
Unless he's on something he didn't gain 30 pounds of muscle in an offseason.

You could do that in a month. I did 22 pounds once in 30 days, worked out 2x a week.

http://fourhourworkweek.com/2007/04/29/from-geek-to-freak-how-i-gained-34-lbs-of-muscle-in-4-weeks/

Cheater5
06-10-2014, 06:10 AM
You could do that in a month. I did 22 pounds once in 30 days, worked out 2x a week.

http://fourhourworkweek.com/2007/04/29/from-geek-to-freak-how-i-gained-34-lbs-of-muscle-in-4-weeks/

Similar experience. I put on over 25lbs in just under three months in my early twenties; lifted 4-5 times/week, and ate 8,000 calories a day. The diet was called 'Getting Massive' or something like that- strength/conditioning coach at UF designed it. I was also taking Cybergenics...not sure if that stuff is legit or not. This was YEARS ago.

I wasn't ripped, but I was definitely not fat.

ILChief
06-10-2014, 06:15 AM
Bust. Should have picked Dion Jordan /CP

Rudy tossed tigger's salad
06-10-2014, 07:05 AM
They guy could have put on 30lbs and 10lbs of it being muscle and it would be fine. You gain ancillary weight when you add muscle. Nobody adds "pure muscle" on.

Though you will hear people say they put on X amount of weight and its all muscle I think the better term is its good weight. He didn't just get fatter, I hope.

Finally a decent post

BossChief
06-10-2014, 07:06 AM
I'd also like to note that it's commonplace for offensive linemen to put on large amounts of weight in the offseason (fat) because it's hard for them to maintain a high playing weight over the season unless they do do.

BossChief
06-10-2014, 07:09 AM
They guy could have put on 30lbs and 10lbs of it being muscle and it would be fine. You gain ancillary weight when you add muscle. Nobody adds "pure muscle" on.

Though you will hear people say they put on X amount of weight and its all muscle I think the better term is its good weight. He didn't just get fatter, I hope.

Didn't he have shoulder and groin surgery this offseason?

TEX
06-10-2014, 07:23 AM
Didn't he have shoulder and groin surgery this offseason?

Yep. Thats why I think its not a healthy weight gain.

Dayze
06-10-2014, 07:38 AM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/5mxjefR-vdI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I always love any football movie; every single hit is massive; every block is massive. LMAO

I did like that movie though.

loochy
06-10-2014, 07:48 AM
Hey guys,

I put on 78.9 pounds of muscle in 3 days back when I was a pro bodybuilder. I did it by eating a myoplex shake for breakfast and reading old copies of Muscle and Fitness magazine. None of it was fat. I was at .000001 % bodyfat.

The only exercises I did were curls inside a squat rack and leg extensions.

If I can do it then the genetic freak that is Eric Fisher can definitely do it.

Whosurdaddy
06-10-2014, 07:48 AM
It's fucking bro speak you tards. It's never pure anything. He's probably been bulking since recovering from his surgeries. It's a combination of estimation and exaggeration from either him or teammates.

penchief
06-10-2014, 07:59 AM
Fox Sports has an article up right now picking the breakout player for each team. They picked Fisher and in the caption they state that he is "at 315 pounds which is 10 pounds more than he played at last year."

Aspengc8
06-10-2014, 08:01 AM
so much retard in this thread...

loochy
06-10-2014, 08:03 AM
so much retard in this thread...

MUSCLE MILK

HGH

POOOTEEEIIINNNN

jaegerbomb

Dunerdr
06-10-2014, 08:06 AM
MUSCLE MILK

HGH

POOOTEEEIIINNNN

jaegerbomb

Muscle milk jaeger bomb ftw!

Strongside
06-10-2014, 08:06 AM
Don't forget that this guy is huge compared to normal people. This would be like an average size man gaining about 10 lbs in 3 months. That's still a lot, but it's not as noticeable on a guy Eric's size.

loochy
06-10-2014, 08:08 AM
Muscle milk jaeger bomb ftw!

Not now!

I'm in the Fing zone

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-p-rirBo53kA/UDrkvu9C3tI/AAAAAAAACT4/uzZfQRsS_EE/s1600/broski.jpg

lcarus
06-10-2014, 08:24 AM
Unless he's on something he didn't gain 30 pounds of muscle in an offseason.

Hey let's not be choosers here. Whatever he's gotta do to not get Alex killed.

Hog's Gone Fishin
06-10-2014, 08:25 AM
Unless he's on something he didn't gain 30 pounds of muscle in an offseason.

And with a bum shoulder !

He's obviously now a lard ass.

Molitoth
06-10-2014, 08:25 AM
Isn't Fisher supposed to be rehabbing a surgery?

I'm guessing there is some fat involved.

beach tribe
06-10-2014, 08:42 AM
You have to eat at a caloric surplus to gain muscle too, idiot.

He did not gain 30 pounds of muscle.

Idiot?
Yeah MFer, that's why I said a high calorie diet.
But the FACT is 3000 extra calories per pound = Fat pounds.
Stick to working out WHILE fasting
From that thread you proved you know a lot more about losing weight than you do about gaining it.

beach tribe
06-10-2014, 08:44 AM
Don't forget that this guy is huge compared to normal people. This would be like an average size man gaining about 10 lbs in 3 months. That's still a lot, but it's not as noticeable on a guy Eric's size.

Eeeeeexactly.
That is lost on some of the experts here.

Pasta Little Brioni
06-10-2014, 09:05 AM
CP experts know more than NFL trainers of course ROFL I picture a bunch of dudes with beer guts going "back in the day I threw a football over them there mountains"

Discuss Thrower
06-10-2014, 09:05 AM
Context, people.

Chances are he was responding to the shit talking from
Abdullah's brother.

hometeam
06-10-2014, 09:07 AM
Eric Fisher gains 30 pounds by reading offseason CP.

That's how I did it anyway.

Pasta Little Brioni
06-10-2014, 09:09 AM
How much does a tattoo add to body weight? Maybe he got a hometeam?

hometeam
06-10-2014, 09:23 AM
How much does a tattoo add to body weight? Maybe he got a hometeam?

One like mine?

A lot. Most of the weight is in the balls.

lcarus
06-10-2014, 09:24 AM
Another thread about future Hall of Fame left tackle Eric Fisher always brightens my morning.

Marcellus
06-10-2014, 09:26 AM
Didn't he have shoulder and groin surgery this offseason?

Reid has stated in several pressers that Fisher has been working out and put on good weight. I guess you could say he is lying but I don't know why he would.

I imagine he has had some limitations but it sounds like he has still been working out.

People act like he goes to the downtown YMCA and works with one of their trainers or something.

I would think that the Chief's strength and conditioning guys were able to put together some work he could still do around his rehab.

Not to mention a lot of rehab can involve lifting weight to strengthen surrounding muscle.

The guy literally has noting else to do but strength and condition he isn't doing this around his cashiers job at Target.

htismaqe
06-10-2014, 09:26 AM
Can't wait for the headline first day in St. Joe...

"Eric Fisher shows up for camp grossly overweight" or

"Eric Fisher suspended 4 games for violation of the NFL's PED policy"

Simply Red
06-10-2014, 09:37 AM
I'm glad the hard work is paying off for young Eric.

He's ready to roll, sounds like! This is AWESOME to watch our pick grow and soar!

Very proud of this young, future Hall of Famer!

lcarus
06-10-2014, 09:40 AM
I'm glad the hard work is paying off for young Eric.

He's ready to roll, sounds like! This is AWESOME to watch our pick grow and soar!

Very proud of this young, future Hall of Famer!

When the guy dominates and becomes a top 5 LT in this league, I'm gonna stuff crow down some people's throats. It's gonna be like Facial Abuse with crows instead of dicks.

Marcellus
06-10-2014, 09:41 AM
Doesn't sound like 30lbs of muscle to me but he has been lifting.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article480134/Offensive-coordinator-Doug-Pederson-confident-players-will-step-up-to-fill-vacancies-on-Chiefs%E2%80%99-line.html

At the start of organized training activities in April, Chiefs coach Andy Reid said the 6-foot-8 Fisher, who is listed at 305 pounds, added five pounds of “good weight” this offseason and is hoping to add five more before the season. The hope, obviously, is that the extra weight and strength will help him battle in the trenches.
“I think that’s a natural progression for an o-lineman, especially a young, lean guy like him coming into this thing to just put on a few extra pounds,” said offensive line coach Andy Heck. “I think he feels good at his weight and he’s been working hard in that weight room, so I think it’s going to be a positive for him.”

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article480134/Offensive-coordinator-Doug-Pederson-confident-players-will-step-up-to-fill-vacancies-on-Chiefs%E2%80%99-line.html#storylink=cpy

L.A. Chieffan
06-10-2014, 09:42 AM
I'm glad the hard work is paying off for young Eric.

He's ready to roll, sounds like! This is AWESOME to watch our pick grow and soar!

Very proud of this young, future Hall of Famer!

Eric Fisher bandwagon ALL ABOARD!

L.A. Chieffan
06-10-2014, 09:42 AM
Good weight, bad weight, who gives a shit?

Dayze
06-10-2014, 09:46 AM
I don't care if he had daily juices made up of baby seal eyes and dolphin fins. as long as he plays well.

Sweet Daddy Hate
06-10-2014, 09:48 AM
LMAO

Eric Fisher is the Matt Cassel of this regime, and Hamas is going to take a lead pipe to his knees at every opportunity.

I was thinking more along the lines of T Jack. Mmmm....reaching for need; always the best move!

Simply Red
06-10-2014, 09:49 AM
Eric Fisher bandwagon ALL ABOARD!

http://i.imgur.com/5Sqvk4x.jpg

Dayze
06-10-2014, 09:53 AM
LMAO

that's so awesome.

hometeam
06-10-2014, 09:56 AM
Good weight, bad weight, who gives a shit?

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/be/be53b7c5f2f810ba78c4fb06f153c46007f60793557b703d6f00efd5034f278f.jpg

L.A. Chieffan
06-10-2014, 09:57 AM
The asteroids machine is calling me from the game room

pugsnotdrugs19
06-10-2014, 09:57 AM
Sounds like it was some serious exaggeration.... 315 is his current weight according to Fox.

Dayze
06-10-2014, 09:58 AM
Chipotle 3 times a day.

Kman34
06-10-2014, 10:13 AM
http://www.stayfitbug.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Big-pizza-meal.jpg

saphojunkie
06-10-2014, 10:26 AM
Who the hell ever said he put on 30 lbs of pure muscle? In fact, he was complaining about the extra weight.

bevischief
06-10-2014, 10:51 AM
One like mine?

A lot. Most of the weight is in the balls.

:D

Hammock Parties
06-10-2014, 11:02 AM
To be honest even if it's fat, that's fine. You need some fat weight as an NFL OL to anchor against pass rusher and lean on guys in the running game.

loochy
06-10-2014, 11:05 AM
To be honest even if it's fat, that's fine. You need some fat weight as an NFL OL to anchor against pass rusher and lean on guys in the running game.

yeah, but FAT PEOPLE

Hammock Parties
06-10-2014, 11:11 AM
yeah, but FAT PEOPLE

Being fat IRL and being fat in the NFL are different things.

As long as you're under 330-340 as an NFL lineman, you're not really fat.

Anyong Bluth
06-10-2014, 11:24 AM
Clearly taking all of Dontari's food

Easy 6
06-10-2014, 11:49 AM
Theres just so much riding on the guy this year, but in truth I cant give it better than 50/50 right now... his career has been about one third decent to solid play... and the other two thirds have been a mishmash of injuries and inconsistent play.

The odds are not great for this guy, I'm afraid. The fat lady isn't singing, but she has now left her dressing room...

Its put up or shut up time.

BigMeatballDave
06-10-2014, 01:27 PM
Can't wait for the headline first day in St. Joe...

"Eric Fisher shows up for camp grossly overweight" or

"Eric Fisher suspended 4 games for violation of the NFL's PED policy"

People are actively pulling for this guy to fail?

Wtf?

Sweet Daddy Hate
06-10-2014, 01:44 PM
People are actively pulling for this guy to fail?

Wtf?


Obviously, I would prefer for him to live up to his 1.1 selection. But come on, really?

This was a pick of Pissholi-like proportions. This was T Jack on the other side of the ball.

"Welp, we can't pay Albert so we're gonna' reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaach-ah".

staylor26
06-10-2014, 01:47 PM
Obviously, I would prefer for him to live up to his 1.1 selection. But come on, really?

This was a pick of Pissholi-like proportions. This was T Jack on the other side of the ball.

"Welp, we can't pay Albert so we're gonna' reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaach-ah".

Fisher and Joeckel were #1 and #2 on most teams boards. You have no idea what you are talking about if you don't understand this.

Dayze
06-10-2014, 01:47 PM
but who else would they have taken if they couldn't trade out of the spot?

OldSchool
06-10-2014, 01:48 PM
Fisher and Joeckel were #1 and #2 on most teams boards. You have no idea what you are talking about if you don't understand this.

It's CP, what did you expect?

"But but but, Geno Smith was there!"

Sweet Daddy Hate
06-10-2014, 01:59 PM
Fisher and Joeckel were #1 and #2 on most teams boards. You have no idea what you are talking about if you don't understand this.

If those two were 1 and 2 on most teams boards, most teams need a new GM.

(waits for weak draft argument)

loochy
06-10-2014, 02:07 PM
but who else would they have taken if they couldn't trade out of the spot?

ChocoPeen

staylor26
06-10-2014, 02:08 PM
If those two were 1 and 2 on most teams boards, most teams need a new GM.

(waits for weak draft argument)

Yea since you do your homework and would've made a better choice Mr. armchair GM. Who would you have taken? Dion Jordan? Lane Johnson? Ezekiel Ansah? Anybody else would've been a reach and none of those guys would've been a "better" pick. Hindsight says it should've been Sheldon Richardson but that would've been a pretty big reach and very risky pick at the time.

Rausch
06-10-2014, 02:09 PM
but who else would they have taken if they couldn't trade out of the spot?

You can take whomever you want.

We could have pulled a Vikings and just not selected anyone until the player we wanted was there at the slot we valued him. If nothing else you save money...

Sweet Daddy Hate
06-10-2014, 02:11 PM
Yea since you do your homework and would've made a better choice Mr. armchair GM. Who would you have taken? Dion Jordan? Lane Johnson? Ezekiel Ansah? Anybody else would've been a reach and none of those guys would've been a "better" pick. Hindsight says it should've been Sheldon Richardson but that would've been a pretty big reach and very risky pick at the time.

Vaccaro. If you're gonna' reach, reach for a contributor.

b00m.

staylor26
06-10-2014, 02:14 PM
Vaccaro. If you're gonna' reach, reach for a contributor.

b00m.

ROFL You're fuckin clueless there isn't one GM in the NFL that would've made that pick.

Sweet Daddy Hate
06-10-2014, 02:15 PM
ROFL You're ****in clueless there isn't one GM in the NFL that would've made that pick.

Percieved value is a bitch.

loochy
06-10-2014, 02:17 PM
ROFL You're fuckin clueless there isn't one GM in the NFL that would've made that pick.

WTF? You just asked who he would pick. When he tells you, you then dispute it.

staylor26
06-10-2014, 02:17 PM
Percieved value is a bitch.

I'm sure that's the pick you would've made at the time Hindsight GM of the year.

Sweet Daddy Hate
06-10-2014, 02:19 PM
I'm sure that's the pick you would've made at the time Hindsight GM of the year.

Actually, when it was obvious that the Chiefs were going down the ol' retread highyway( shock ), Kenny was in fact my first choice.

I wipe my ass with the value chart.

staylor26
06-10-2014, 02:21 PM
WTF? You just asked who he would pick. When he tells you, you then dispute it.

BC for one he's naming a player that did good his rookie season to fit his argument using hindsight and for two he called Fisher a reach (consensus top 3 player) when he's saying he would've taken a guy that went 15th. Also, he's judging a pick after one year in which the guy had injury problems and was playing out of position.

Sweet Daddy Hate
06-10-2014, 02:22 PM
BC for one he's naming a player that did good his rookie season to fit his argument using hindsight and for two he called Fisher a reach (consensus top 3 player) when he's saying he would've taken a guy that went 15th.

Did anyone refer to Joeckel or Fisher as generational tackles? Okay, so they were the "top consensus" in that class? Big fucking deal. Think outside the box, FFS.

-King-
06-10-2014, 02:23 PM
If those two were 1 and 2 on most teams boards, most teams need a new GM.

(waits for weak draft argument)

Wait, so you don't think it was a weak draft? You realize only 1 player (Ansah) in the top 10 had any major impact on his team? Other than that the other players were average at best. 2013 was by far the worst draft the last decade.

BigMeatballDave
06-10-2014, 02:24 PM
Obviously, I would prefer for him to live up to his 1.1 selection. But come on, really?

This was a pick of Pissholi-like proportions. This was T Jack on the other side of the ball.

"Welp, we can't pay Albert so we're gonna' reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaach-ah".You get an A+ for completely missing the point.

The way I see it, I don't care how bad you think the pick is, what fucking sense does it make to root for the player to fail?

I don't like taking OL at 1.1, but I really want this kid to get his shit in order and become a 10 year starter at LT.

This fucking place is oozing with arrogance and puts 'being right' above all else.

Sweet Daddy Hate
06-10-2014, 02:28 PM
Wait, so you don't think it was a weak draft? You realize only 1 player (Ansah) in the top 10 had any major impact on his team? Other than that the other players were average at best. 2013 was by far the worst draft the last decade.

It was not a great class, no. That said, if you're going to fill an obvious need and the tackles don't warrant 1.1?

You get an A+ for completely missing the point.

The way I see it, I don't care how bad you think the pick is, what ****ing sense does it make to root for the player to fail?

I don't like taking OL at 1.1, but I really want this kid to get his shit in order and become a 10 year starter at LT.

This ****ing place is oozing with arrogance and puts 'being right' above all else.

Who's rooting for him to fail? We made the investment, I hope he succeeds.

-King-
06-10-2014, 02:29 PM
It was not a great class, no. That said, if you're going to fill an obvious need and the tackles don't warrant 1.1?




It seems like the majority of people thought they did.

BigMeatballDave
06-10-2014, 02:30 PM
Who's rooting for him to fail?Half of the board. Did you see the post I quoted?

Sweet Daddy Hate
06-10-2014, 02:30 PM
It seems like the majority of people thought they did.

I'm sure the talking heads would perhaps like to re-evaluate on Joeckel? Glad that I'm not THAT guy in a suit at my sports desk.

Sweet Daddy Hate
06-10-2014, 02:32 PM
Half of the board. Did you see the post I quoted?

Then half the board is wrong. There's no point in it. If he does fail, we'd have to draft or FA another one. I see no logic in this.

staylor26
06-10-2014, 02:32 PM
This guy is arguing hat the Chiefs should've made a pick that 31 other teams also wouldn't have made. The bottom line is you wouldn't have been happy no matter who we took bc all of the top options had mediocre/bad rookie seasons. You can't judge a draft pick after one year, that's just ignorant and short-sighted.

htismaqe
06-10-2014, 02:33 PM
People are actively pulling for this guy to fail?

Wtf?

No.

Why do you immediately go into histrionics? Are you a 14-year old girl?

htismaqe
06-10-2014, 02:35 PM
Fisher and Joeckel were #1 and #2 on most teams boards. You have no idea what you are talking about if you don't understand this.

That's because NFL teams are generally risk averse corporate entities living in 20 years behind the actual innovation curve in football.

You have no idea what you are talking about if you don't understand this.

htismaqe
06-10-2014, 02:38 PM
You get an A+ for completely missing the point.

The way I see it, I don't care how bad you think the pick is, what fucking sense does it make to root for the player to fail?

I don't like taking OL at 1.1, but I really want this kid to get his shit in order and become a 10 year starter at LT.

This fucking place is oozing with arrogance and puts 'being right' above all else.

Who is rooting for Eric Fisher to fail again?

htismaqe
06-10-2014, 02:39 PM
Half of the board. Did you see the post I quoted?

The post you quoted was mine and said nothing at all about wanting Eric Fisher to fail.

"Oh my God, somebody said something bad about the Chiefs. Somebody get on Facebook and tell DEB."

Dude, stop acting like a fucking crybaby.

staylor26
06-10-2014, 02:41 PM
That's because NFL teams are generally risk averse corporate entities living in 20 years behind the actual innovation curve in football.

You have no idea what you are talking about if you don't understand this.

Maybe bc they have their livelihoods on the line and aren't sitting behind a computer making decisions. And what about the draft gurus who do this all year? They don't have to worry about risks, but they still had Joeckel and Fisher #1 and 2 for the most part.

BigMeatballDave
06-10-2014, 02:43 PM
No.

Why do you immediately go into histrionics? Are you a 14-year old girl?

In a former life, possibly...

htismaqe
06-10-2014, 02:43 PM
Maybe bc they have their livelihoods on the line and aren't sitting behind a computer making decisions.

Ya think?

It might also because they're performance is gauged in dollars and cents. Winning is secondary to making money.

BigMeatballDave
06-10-2014, 02:45 PM
The post you quoted was mine and said nothing at all about wanting Eric Fisher to fail.

"Oh my God, somebody said something bad about the Chiefs. Somebody get on Facebook and tell DEB."

Dude, stop acting like a fucking crybaby.

That post implied otherwise. You can't wait?

staylor26
06-10-2014, 02:45 PM
Ya think?

It might also because they're performance is gauged in dollars and cents. Winning is secondary to making money.

They have to balance winning with keeping their jobs. It's all part of the equation. Dorsey and Reid came here to win and if you don't believe that you're a moron.

htismaqe
06-10-2014, 02:46 PM
That post implied otherwise. You can't wait?

It's a fucking expression.

:deevee::deevee::deevee:

Sweet Daddy Hate
06-10-2014, 02:46 PM
FTR, I was pretty happy with this year's draft considering the gouging loss we suffered in round 2.

Shitty, shitty year to not have a 2nd round pick.

Sweet Daddy Hate
06-10-2014, 02:47 PM
They have to balance winning with keeping their jobs. It's all part of the equation. Dorsey and Reid came here to win and if you don't believe that you're a moron.

I believe they came to win but the cost of immediately righting the ship? Oy.

BigMeatballDave
06-10-2014, 02:47 PM
Heh, half of the board constantly cries about Fisher, and whatever else, but I'm the crybaby lol

staylor26
06-10-2014, 02:49 PM
FTR, I was pretty happy with this year's draft considering the gouging loss we suffered in round 2.

Shitty, shitty year to not have a 2nd round pick.

We will make up for it next year. Dorsey swings for the homerun with all of his picks and we will have plenty.

htismaqe
06-10-2014, 02:49 PM
They have to balance winning with keeping their jobs. It's all part of the equation. Dorsey and Reid came here to win and if you don't believe that you're a moron.

ROFL

Of course they came here to win. Win what though?

I guarantee you they won't get fired if they don't win the Super Bowl. In fact, I'll guarantee you that if they have 10 years like last year in say 14 seasons, they'll leave on their own terms - they'd never get fired.

The way they keep their jobs is not to win, it's to NOT LOSE. There's a big difference.

And that's why GMs take guys like Eric Fisher #1 overall even though the past 10 years is littered with guys like him that don't pan out. Success in the NFL is much more about the floor than about the ceiling.

Sweet Daddy Hate
06-10-2014, 02:49 PM
We will make up for it next year. Dorsey swings for the homerun with all of his picks and we will have plenty.

I am a huge Dorsey fan, FTR.

htismaqe
06-10-2014, 02:51 PM
Heh, half of the board constantly cries about Fisher, and whatever else, but I'm the crybaby lol

You're the one that picked my post out of the crowd.

I'm certainly not crying about Fisher. You just can't stand anything remotely critical.

That's a personal problem and not something I can solve for you. You'll have to figure that one out for yourself.

staylor26
06-10-2014, 02:51 PM
ROFL

Of course they came here to win. Win what though?

I guarantee you they won't get fired if they don't win the Super Bowl. In fact, I'll guarantee you that if they have 10 years like last year in say 14 seasons, they'll leave on their own terms - they'd never get fired.

The way they keep their jobs is not to win, it's to NOT LOSE. There's a big difference.

And that's why GMs take guys like Eric Fisher #1 overall even though the past 10 years is littered with guys like him that don't pan out. Success in the NFL is much more about the floor than about the ceiling.

Reid is the hungriest veteran coach you can find. He's gotten so close he could smell it. Do you not understand how hyper competitive football guys are?

Marcellus
06-10-2014, 02:52 PM
It just occurred to me that Luv lost 30lbs the last 3 months. Coincidence? I think not.

staylor26
06-10-2014, 02:52 PM
I am a huge Dorsey fan, FTR.

Then you're ok in my book and you "get it" for the most part :thumb:

htismaqe
06-10-2014, 02:53 PM
Reid is the hungriest veteran coach you can find. He's gotten so close he could smell it. Do you not understand how hyper competitive football guys are?

How long have you been an NFL fan?

Of course they're hyper-competitive.

They're also human beings and ultimately interested in self-preservation.

htismaqe
06-10-2014, 02:54 PM
It just occurred to me that Luv lost 30lbs the last 3 months. Coincidence? I think not.

ROFL

loochy
06-10-2014, 02:54 PM
It just occurred to me that Luv lost 30lbs the last 3 months. Coincidence? I think not.

Eric Fisher ate Luv's lipo trailings?

Sweet Daddy Hate
06-10-2014, 02:54 PM
]Reid is the hungriest veteran coach you can find. He's gotten so close he could smell it.[/B] Do you not understand how hyper competitive football guys are?

(Insert cheeseburger pic here)

staylor26
06-10-2014, 02:56 PM
How long have you been an NFL fan?

Of course they're hyper-competitive.

They're also human beings and ultimately interested in self-preservation.

As would any man with a family to provide for. What's your point? Dorsey is the least risk adverse GM you're going to find. He swings for the fences with all of his picks.

Marcellus
06-10-2014, 02:57 PM
Reid is the hungriest veteran coach you can find. He's gotten so close he could smell it. Do you not understand how hyper competitive football guys are?

I do have to laugh when posters on a message board question an experienced successful coach's dedication to winning it all.

Reid and probably Dorsey have made enough $ to be set for life many times over already. There is no motivation other than winning a SB. What else would there be? Reid has already done pretty much everything else including getting to one and losing a close game.

Nah I am sure he is just concerned with making Clark happy and that will fulfill all his career goals.

htismaqe
06-10-2014, 02:57 PM
As would any man with a family to provide for. What's your point?

After this entire exchange, you don't understand what the point is? :facepalm:

BigMeatballDave
06-10-2014, 02:58 PM
I'm certainly not crying about Fisher. You just can't stand anything remotely critical.

That's a personal problem and not something I can solve for you. You'll have to figure that one out for yourself.

Yes, that is correct. I stuck by Cassel and Pioli until the bitter end. LEAVE EVERY CHIEF ALONE!

Marcellus
06-10-2014, 02:59 PM
How long have you been an NFL fan?

Of course they're hyper-competitive.

They're also human beings and ultimately interested in self-preservation.

Self preservation? From what? He isn't trying to pay off a second mortgage and put his kids through medical school while making $50K at Walgreens.

If he got fired next year he would have a job in less than 24 hours.This self preservation theory simply does not hold water.

staylor26
06-10-2014, 02:59 PM
After this entire exchange, you don't understand what the point is? :facepalm:

You want them to take risks. And I edited it to include that Dorsey is the least risk adverse GM you're going to find. He's not going to spend a ton of money on FA's bc that's not how you win, but he uses all his draft picks to find starting caliber players with the measurables to be great.

htismaqe
06-10-2014, 03:00 PM
I do have to laugh when posters on a message board question an experienced successful coach's dedication to winning it all.

Reid and probably Dorsey have made enough $ to be set for life many times over already. There is no motivation other than winning a SB. What else woudl there be? Reid has already done pretty much everything else including getting to one and losing a close game.

Nah I am sure he is just concerned with making Clark happy and that will fulfill all his career goals.

You can't win a Super Bowl if you get fired 2 years into your contract, can you?

Conservativism, on the field, in the draft -- it's part of the NFLs DNA.

In no way does that mean they're not focused on winning a Lombardi. They have to balance that long-term goal with the immediate needs of the team, and that includes NOT GETTING FIRED.

This isn't about Clark. It's not about the Chiefs even. It's about the NFL as a whole.

Of course, half the league would have taken Eric Fisher at #1. That doesn't mean it was the BEST move. It says more about the state of mind in the NFL than it does about Eric Fisher, the dearth of talent in last year's draft, or anything else.

htismaqe
06-10-2014, 03:00 PM
Self preservation? From what? He isn't trying to pay off a second mortgage and put his kids through medical school while making $50K at Walgreens.

If he got fired next year he would have a job in less than 24 hours.This self preservation theory simply does not hold water.

And his quest for a Super Bowl ring starts over at square 1.

It isn't a theory, it's a stone cold fact.

Sweet Daddy Hate
06-10-2014, 03:01 PM
I do have to laugh when posters on a message board question an experienced successful coach's dedication to winning it all.

Reid and probably Dorsey have made enough $ to be set for life many times over already. There is no motivation other than winning a SB. What else woudl there be? Reid has already done pretty much everything else including getting to one and losing a close game.

Nah I am sure he is just concerned with making Clark happy and that will fulfill all his career goals.

Reid far exceeded my expectations. Some of the play calling on the offensive side was rather "WTF(?)", but towards the end of the season it was pretty obvious to me that his system works when you have players that can absorb it all and more importantly, execute it. But everyone has to be firing on all cylinders, every play.

Talent helps as well.

We'll get the talent. I think we're in for a good ride overall.

staylor26
06-10-2014, 03:01 PM
You can't win a Super Bowl if you get fired 2 years into your contract, can you?

Conservativism, on the field, in the draft -- it's part of the NFLs DNA.

In no way does that mean they're not focused on winning a Lombardi. They have to balance that long-term goal with the immediate needs of the team, and that includes NOT GETTING FIRED.

This isn't about Clark. It's not about the Chiefs even. It's about the NFL as a whole.

Of course, half the league would have taken Eric Fisher at #1. That doesn't mean it was the BEST move. It says more about the state of mind in the NFL than it does about Eric Fisher, the dearth of talent in last year's draft, or anything else.

So the entire league is wrong but you have it all figured out from behind your computer don't you? I wish the Chiefs would hire you so your innovative mind can get us a SB ring.

Marcellus
06-10-2014, 03:02 PM
You can't win a Super Bowl if you get fired 2 years into your contract, can you?

Conservativism, on the field, in the draft -- it's part of the NFLs DNA.

In no way does that mean they're not focused on winning a Lombardi. They have to balance that long-term goal with the immediate needs of the team, and that includes NOT GETTING FIRED.

This isn't about Clark. It's not about the Chiefs even. It's about the NFL as a whole.

Of course, half the league would have taken Eric Fisher at #1. That doesn't mean it was the BEST move. It says more about the state of mind in the NFL than it does about Eric Fisher, the dearth of talent in last year's draft, or anything else.

Just a guess, but I suspect they took Eric Fisher because they thought in the end he would be the best player in the draft. End of story.

They may be dead wrong but there is no evidence to suggest that wasn't their single motivation.

htismaqe
06-10-2014, 03:02 PM
You want them to take risks. And I edited it to include that Dorsey is the least risk adverse GM you're going to find. He's not going to spend a ton of money on FA's bc that's not how you win, but he uses all his draft picks to find starting caliber players with the measurables to be great.

I don't WANT them to do anything.

I don't have any control over it and I stopped getting worked up about it a long time ago.

That doesn't mean I'm going to stop pointing out where the deserve credit and where they don't.

When it comes to Eric Fisher, they don't deserve any credit at all. At least not yet.

Sweet Daddy Hate
06-10-2014, 03:03 PM
You want them to take risks. And I edited it to include that Dorsey is the least risk adverse GM you're going to find. He's not going to spend a ton of money on FA's bc that's not how you win, but he uses all his draft picks to find starting caliber players with the measurables to be great.

I like the way he mines obscure talent and turns over every stone. Yeah, it's a cliche', but the man actually WORKS for a living.

htismaqe
06-10-2014, 03:03 PM
So the entire league is wrong but you have it all figured out from behind your computer don't you? I wish the Chiefs would hire you so your innovative mind can get us a SB ring.

I never said anything about right or wrong, not the NFL nor myself for that matter. I'm speaking strictly of what is and what is not.

I've never once suggested I could do a better job than they could. That's just a silly notion you have to resort to when you've got nothing else to fall back on.

Some of you really have a problem with critical thinking. Too blinded by emotion.

staylor26
06-10-2014, 03:04 PM
I don't WANT them to do anything.

I don't have any control over it and I stopped getting worked up about it a long time ago.

That doesn't mean I'm going to stop pointing out where the deserve credit and where they don't.

When it comes to Eric Fisher, they don't deserve any credit at all. At least not yet.

That's the important part. Why begin to criticize after one year? Are you that short-sighted?

Chief Roundup
06-10-2014, 03:04 PM
Oh the idiocy in these last couple pages.

htismaqe
06-10-2014, 03:04 PM
Just a guess, but I suspect they took Eric Fisher because they thought in the end he would be the best player in the draft. End of story.

They may be dead wrong but there is no evidence to suggest that wasn't their single motivation.

Define "best".

If you don't think his perceived floor had anything to do with the pick, I've got a bridge for sale...

htismaqe
06-10-2014, 03:05 PM
That's the important part. Why begin to criticize after one year? Are you that short-sighted?

Because his first year deserves criticism.

Should we just shut down the board and not discuss anything at all?

Marcellus
06-10-2014, 03:06 PM
And his quest for a Super Bowl ring starts over at square 1.

It isn't a theory, it's a stone cold fact.

WTF would they take a guy they know needed some time to develop at #1 if he didn't think he had job security?

Why draft Arron Murray in the 4th round this year?

If you haven't figured out that when Reid was hired he was given a lot of job security in the process, you haven't been paying attention.

Clark isn't firing Reid and paying him while paying Pioli etc...

Come on man you are just blowing shit out your ass with this self preservation thing, man up.

Sweet Daddy Hate
06-10-2014, 03:06 PM
Define "best".

If you don't think his perceived floor had anything to do with the pick, I've got a bridge for sale...

The thing is, with the rookie pay scale you can pick ANYONE. Value Chart. :(

htismaqe
06-10-2014, 03:06 PM
I like the way he mines obscure talent and turns over every stone. Yeah, it's a cliche', but the man actually WORKS for a living.

I love it too.

But you can't build a Super Bowl team that way. There has to be a balance.

So far for as good as his been with the cheap guys and the unknowns, he's been equally bad at the other end of the spectrum.

Bowe's contract in particular is very bad.

staylor26
06-10-2014, 03:07 PM
Define "best".

If you don't think his perceived floor had anything to do with the pick, I've got a bridge for sale...

Actually we took Fisher over Joeckel (the pick the majority of NFL GM's would've made) bc of ceiling not floor. This is what you don't understand. It was Fisher or Joeckel and we took the riskier pick for the higher reward.

htismaqe
06-10-2014, 03:07 PM
WTF would they take a guy they know needed some time to develop at #1 if he didn't think he had job security?

Why draft Arron Murray in the 4th round this year?

If you haven't figured out that when Reid was hired he was given a lot of job security in the process, you haven't been paying attention.

Clark isn't firing Reid and paying him while paying Pioli etc...

Come on man you are just blowing shit out your ass with this self preservation thing, man up.

ROFL

God you guys are pussies.

Don't talk bad about my Chiefs. :deevee::deevee::deevee:

Marcellus
06-10-2014, 03:07 PM
Define "best".

If you don't think his perceived floor had anything to do with the pick, I've got a bridge for sale...

What? Fisher was the risky pick which has been pointed out 1,000 times. Joeckel was the safe pick.

htismaqe
06-10-2014, 03:08 PM
Actually we took Fisher over Joeckel (the pick the majority of NFL GM's would've made) bc of ceiling not floor. This is what you don't understand. It was Fisher or Joeckel and we took the riskier pick for the higher reward.

The position has an inherently high floor. It's implied.

htismaqe
06-10-2014, 03:08 PM
What? Fisher was the risky pick which has been pointed out 1,000 times. Joeckel was the safe pick.

Joeckel wasn't the only other possible pick.

:facepalm:

staylor26
06-10-2014, 03:08 PM
What? Fisher was the risky pick which has been pointed out 1,000 times. Joeckel was the safe pick.

He doesn't fucking get it man. I'm done.

htismaqe
06-10-2014, 03:09 PM
He doesn't fucking get it man. I'm done.

I absolutely get it.

There's a forest beyond the trees. Open your eyes.

staylor26
06-10-2014, 03:10 PM
Joeckel wasn't the only other possible pick.

:facepalm:

It was them or Jordan #1 overall. Nobody else had the grade to be 1st overall in a very weak draft. But since you probably don't follow the draft extensively you don't know this.

Marcellus
06-10-2014, 03:10 PM
ROFL

God you guys are pussies.

Don't talk bad about my Chiefs. :deevee::deevee::deevee:

What? You know what makes you annoying, this is your defense when you know you have been proven wrong. I am not whining by any stretch.

I am making solid points and this is all you got.

htismaqe
06-10-2014, 03:10 PM
It was them or Jordan #1 overall. Nobody else had the grade to be 1st overall in a very weak draft. But since you probably don't follow the draft extensively you don't know this.

ROFL

You might want to go check out the Draft Planet sub forum.

staylor26
06-10-2014, 03:13 PM
ROFL

You might want to go check out the Draft Planet sub forum.

Maybe you do. I guess you just aren't very smart about it then? Or you really believe you have this innovative way of thinking that nobody else sees Idk? You're saying we went for the floor when anybody that followed knew the Fisher vs. Joeckel debate was ceiling vs. floor.

Marcellus
06-10-2014, 03:13 PM
Joeckel wasn't the only other possible pick.

:facepalm:

No shit Sherlock that wasn't the overall point. You are the one who is using him as some type of proof they were playing it safe which isn't true. I was merely pointing out Joeckel WAS THE SAFE PICK NOT FISHER.

I have to laugh because you literally spin yourself in circles when people start debating you on this stuff. Then you want to just throw up your hands and say you aren't bitching and everyone else is whining.

Its pretty fucking comical and at this point extremely predictable.

htismaqe
06-10-2014, 03:13 PM
What? You know what makes you annoying, this is your defense when you know you have been proven wrong. I am not whining by any stretch.

I am making solid points and this is all you got.

I haven't been proven wrong.

At this point, I'm not even sure if you understand the point.

We're not just comparing Fisher to Joeckel, we're comparing him to the entire draft class.

His POSITION has an inherently high floor.

Compared to Joeckel, he also had a higher ceiling.

We took a RISK at a SAFE position. It really isn't that hard to understand.

I don't know why people get so bent out of shape when this conversation comes up.

People want to cry about Eric Fisher being "safe" or Alex Smith being called a "game manager" yet it's the DEFENDERS that assign such extreme negative connotations to those words...

Marcellus
06-10-2014, 03:14 PM
It was them or Jordan #1 overall. Nobody else had the grade to be 1st overall in a very weak draft. But since you probably don't follow the draft extensively you don't know this.

For the record, I wanted Jordan.

staylor26
06-10-2014, 03:15 PM
For the record, I wanted Jordan.

I did too. But seeing that we got Ford this year and lost Albert I completely agree with the pick now.

htismaqe
06-10-2014, 03:15 PM
No shit Sherlock that wasn't the overall point. You are the one who is using him as some type of proof they were playing it safe which isn't true. I was merely pointing out Joeckel WAS THE SAFE PICK NOT FISHER.

They were BOTH safe picks.

I have to laugh because you literally spin yourself in circles when people start debating you on this stuff. Then you want to just throw up your hands and say you aren't bitching and everyone else is whining.

Its pretty fucking comical and at this point extremely predictable.

Spinning in circles.

My point here is 100% consistent from post to post. I'm not going to keep saying the same thing over and over just because you don't get it.

At that point, I have no choice but to throw up my hands. No amount of simplification allows you to understand the point.

Marcellus
06-10-2014, 03:16 PM
They were BOTH safe picks.



Spinning in circles.

My point here is 100% consistent from post to post. I'm not going to keep saying the same thing over and over just because you don't get it.

At that point, I have no choice but to throw up my hands. No amount of simplification allows you to understand the point.

Right, Andy Reid is worried about his job security and the Fisher pick proves that.

LMAO.

htismaqe
06-10-2014, 03:18 PM
Maybe you do. I guess you just aren't very smart about it then? Or you really believe you have this innovative way of thinking that nobody else sees Idk? You're saying we went for the floor when anybody that followed knew the Fisher vs. Joeckel debate was ceiling vs. floor.

I never pointed out that *I* had a way of thinking. I never said I could do it better. I actually never said that Fisher was the WRONG PICK. This idea that I think I'm better at this than Dorsey is a notion that you yourself invented. That's typical in these types of discussion when one is arguing from an emotive standpoint.

I only pointed out why the Chiefs, and 20 other teams, would have taken Fisher in that situation.

staylor26
06-10-2014, 03:18 PM
Right, Andy Reid is worried about his job security and the Fisher pick proves that.

LMAO.

If anything all the Fisher pick proves is that they wanted to protect their investment in Smith and knew Albert was a goner. And there is nothing wrong with that. As we both mentioned we preferred Jordan. I'll take Ford and Fisher over Jordan and any LT we would've taken this year though.

htismaqe
06-10-2014, 03:18 PM
Right, Andy Reid is worried about his job security and the Fisher pick proves that.

LMAO.

That's not what I said. Once again, emotion over logic.

htismaqe
06-10-2014, 03:18 PM
If anything all the Fisher pick proves is that they wanted to protect their investment in Smith and knew Albert was a goner.

:clap:

Finally somebody is getting somewhere.

staylor26
06-10-2014, 03:20 PM
:clap:

Finally somebody is getting somewhere.

Do you not think the LT position is important though? It's not about being safe. It's about getting your most important player on the OL.

Sweet Daddy Hate
06-10-2014, 03:21 PM
This assumes Smith is going to be an investment, long-term. Damn, the cap and Smith's agent might actually be working in our favor for once as far as drafting a QB high and soon goes....

Eh, pipe-dream.

htismaqe
06-10-2014, 03:22 PM
Do you not think the LT position is important though? It's not about being safe. It's about getting your most important player on the OL.

I think in the modern NFL, the importance of the LT has been diminished somewhat. It remains the most important piece on the OL though. You are correct.

The question is whether or not acquiring that player REQUIRES a top 5 pick. Recent history suggests that it's probably not the best place to get your franchise LT.

That being said, I fully understand why they made the pick they made. I can't really say I have a better idea, I'm not an NFL GM. All we can do is hope that he's a lot better (and healthier) at LT than he was at RT.

Marcellus
06-10-2014, 03:37 PM
:clap:

Finally somebody is getting somewhere.

OK but that's not what you have been claiming at any point in this discussion.

Reerun_KC
06-10-2014, 03:41 PM
This thread needs more soccer...

http://hubpic.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Yamila-Diaz-wallpapers-021-7.jpg

JakeLV
06-10-2014, 04:06 PM
This thread needs more soccer...

http://hubpic.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Yamila-Diaz-wallpapers-021-7.jpg

Those could be actual soccer players and I still wouldn't watch.

loochy
06-10-2014, 07:21 PM
Those could be actual soccer players and I still wouldn't watch.

That's because you are a fag.

Reerun_KC
06-10-2014, 07:25 PM
Those could be actual soccer players and I still wouldn't watch.

So you find women repulsive?

Sorter
06-10-2014, 07:26 PM
It was them or Jordan #1 overall. Nobody else had the grade to be 1st overall in a very weak draft. But since you probably don't follow the draft extensively you don't know this.

LMAO

suzzer99
06-10-2014, 07:50 PM
Unless he's on something he didn't gain 30 pounds of muscle in an offseason.

http://omskivar.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/2680765-nicolas_cage_you_dont_say.jpg

KCrockaholic
06-10-2014, 07:53 PM
Considering he looked like a TE in training camp last year, the 30lbs are good as long as he doesn't lose his feet. He needs to keep that slide step quick.

salame
06-10-2014, 09:44 PM
why is abdullahs brother at otas?

TEX
06-11-2014, 05:15 AM
Considering he looked like a TE in training camp last year, the 30lbs are good as long as he doesn't lose his feet. He needs to keep that slide step quick.

Weebles wobble but they don't fall down...

Dunerdr
06-11-2014, 05:31 AM
This thread needs more soccer...

http://hubpic.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Yamila-Diaz-wallpapers-021-7.jpg

I'd still switch over to lingerie football league reruns.

penguinz
06-11-2014, 06:45 AM
Muscle milk jaeger bomb ftw!

Done this before. It was gross!

Dunerdr
06-11-2014, 07:21 AM
Done this before. It was gross!

Did you feel like an invincible body builder instantly?

Dayze
06-11-2014, 08:23 AM
yes
yes
yes
hell yes
hell yes
yes.

htismaqe
06-11-2014, 09:19 AM
OK but that's not what you have been claiming at any point in this discussion.

Drafting Eric Fisher 1st overall to protect their investment in Alex Smith is, by definition, what I've been talking about the entire time.

Simply Red
06-11-2014, 09:20 AM
because Jeff Linkenbach.

GloryDayz
06-11-2014, 09:26 AM
The non-gladiator will hate this day:

http://www.drugcheck.com/_images/cup_nxstep-bg.jpg

Mav
06-11-2014, 09:38 AM
Unless he's on something he didn't gain 30 pounds of muscle in an offseason.
You have never lifted weights in your life.

lawrenceRaider
06-11-2014, 10:08 AM
You have never lifted weights in your life.

I have for 20 years, and no, without some serious pharma help, or unless he never really lifted weights, it would be very unlikely for him to gain 30 lbs of muscle in three months. I could easily see 15 lbs of good weight along with 15 lbs of fat with a serious regimen, eating, sleeping, and training on a schedule that only people getting paid to work out can accomplish.

RunKC
06-11-2014, 10:10 AM
Fisher needs to lift with Mike Catapano. Anyone seen that guy in OTA's? That guy is jacked

Eleazar
06-11-2014, 10:20 AM
I have for 20 years, and no, without some serious pharma help, or unless he never really lifted weights, it would be very unlikely for him to gain 30 lbs of muscle in three months. I could easily see 15 lbs of good weight along with 15 lbs of fat with a serious regimen, eating, sleeping, and training on a schedule that only people getting paid to work out can accomplish.

You have to take into account he was battling injuries during the season last year, and probably saw his condition degrade bcause of that.

Mav
06-11-2014, 10:21 AM
I have for 20 years, and no, without some serious pharma help, or unless he never really lifted weights, it would be very unlikely for him to gain 30 lbs of muscle in three months. I could easily see 15 lbs of good weight along with 15 lbs of fat with a serious regimen, eating, sleeping, and training on a schedule that only people getting paid to work out can accomplish.

I'm sure it's along those lines. When I was deployed we had a guy put on 25 lbs of muscle in 8 months. He was consuming 8 thousand calories a day and working out twice a day tho.

GloryDayz
06-11-2014, 10:30 AM
You have never lifted weights in your life.

Evidently neither have you... Yeah, if it's muscle, kind of impossible without some sort of juice. Now, he might have eaten like a motherfucker and been lifting (10lbs of muscle and 20lbs of fat), but not pure muscle.

Mav
06-11-2014, 10:39 AM
Evidently neither have you... Yeah, if it's muscle, kind of impossible without some sort of juice. Now, he might have eaten like a motherfucker and been lifting (10lbs of muscle and 20lbs of fat), but not pure muscle.

Where did I say I had? He was supplementing as well. The guy was a body builder. And yes. He did. I was his team leader. I know what he came in at, I got all his results.

GloryDayz
06-11-2014, 10:54 AM
Where did I say I had? He was supplementing as well. The guy was a body builder. And yes. He did. I was his team leader. I know what he came in at, I got all his results.

I was talking about Fisher, not your guy..

Either way, Fisher may have found the next not-able-to-be-detected-(yet) thing, but I'm pretty sure if he put on 30lbs of raw muscle since the season ended, he's "juicing"..

The Franchise
06-11-2014, 10:55 AM
I'm sure it's along those lines. When I was deployed we had a guy put on 25 lbs of muscle in 8 months. He was consuming 8 thousand calories a day and working out twice a day tho.

25 lbs in 8 months is a little different than 30 lbs in 3 months. Especially when you're recovering from surgery.

Dunerdr
06-11-2014, 10:59 AM
Fisher needs to lift with Mike Catapano. Anyone seen that guy in OTA's? That guy is jacked

Dudes a beast really looks like Hes on track to be a solid rotation/rusher. I saw Allen Bailey bulked up some too I'm excited to see what added weight on both off them will do.

Hammock Parties
06-11-2014, 11:00 AM
You have never lifted weights in your life.

LMAO

Been lifting for six years you little shit dick, and guarantee you I look better with my shirt off than you do.

Sweet Daddy Hate
06-11-2014, 11:01 AM
LMAO

Been lifting for six years you little shit dick, and guarantee you I look better with my shirt off than you do.

I'm back in going on 5 months and taking whey for the first time. My rep weights are getting ridiculous.

kcchiefsus
06-11-2014, 11:07 AM
LMAO

Been lifting for six years you little shit dick, and guarantee you I look better with my shirt off than you do.

Sure you do pillowbitergot.

Lifting your boyfriends dick to your mouth doesn't count.

BWillie
06-11-2014, 11:15 AM
It might not be all muscle, but who cares. It's a position where quite frankly, just plain having more mass and being bigger than the other guy is helpful.

Sweet Daddy Hate
06-11-2014, 11:17 AM
It might not be all muscle, but who cares. It's a position where quite frankly, just plain having more mass and being bigger than the other guy is helpful.

It's about technique too, and he's lost time.

Discuss Thrower
06-11-2014, 11:20 AM
Glad to see that this thread has gone to shit.

And still people are seriously thinking Fisher added 30lbs of mass based solely off of an offhand remark.

For as smart as this forum builds itself up to be, there is certainly a surplus of dumbass to go around.

loochy
06-11-2014, 11:24 AM
LMAO

Been lifting for six years you little shit dick, and guarantee you I look better with my shirt off than you do.

http://global3.memecdn.com/ermahgerd-bodybuilding_o_905671.jpg

Mav
06-11-2014, 11:52 AM
LMAO

Been lifting for six years you little shit dick, and guarantee you I look better with my shirt off than you do.

You are a skinny little turd. And why would you want to compare yourself to another guy?

BigMeatballDave
06-11-2014, 12:05 PM
It's about technique too, and he's lost time.

Technique is a bit overrated. Albert did not have good technique and he was pretty good.

Mav
06-11-2014, 12:09 PM
I was talking about Fisher, not your guy..

Either way, Fisher may have found the next not-able-to-be-detected-(yet) thing, but I'm pretty sure if he put on 30lbs of raw muscle since the season ended, he's "juicing"..

I didn't see it stated as raw muscle. Also didn't see 3 months.