What historic event would you like to have witnessed?

[DJJasonp]

Spinoff from the concert thread....

If there was a significant historical event that you could have been at live and in person (with no chance of dying or having any harm befall you) - what would it be?

And to make it interesting, you can witness this event by going back in time, and having all the knowledge you currently have carry with you to that place and time where the event occurred.

This is not a "prevent it from happening" opportunity - just as a witness.


My first thoughts - would have to be the last supper (and days following crucifixion) and the JFK assasination.

What say you?

[cdcox]

The moment Arthur Bryant first perfected BBQ.

[Eleazar]

2 girls 1 cup

[Hammock Parties]

My parents' first date.

[DJJasonp]

My parents' first date.

cool choice!:thumb:

[LoneWolf]

The Crucifixion

Hitler's suicide

When the first person made fire.

[Brianfo]

Great post.
The resurrection of Christ.

[Just Passin' By]

The whole Jesus timeline seems too easy, so I'll consider it noted. October 19, 1781 Yorktown seems well worth witnessing.

[Hoover]

Wright brothers take flight

[Perineum Ripper]

D day..Gettysburg..Pearl Harbor..on the plane that dropped the atom bombs..Battle of Thermopylae..ride across the ocean on the Mayflower..Battle of Mogadishu..the battle with Marcus Luttrell..and to hang out with Einstein when he discovered E=mc2

[BigMeatballDave]

Moon landing

[DJJasonp]

D day..Gettysburg..Pearl Harbor..on the plane that dropped the atom bombs..Battle of Thermopylae..ride across the ocean on the Mayflower..Battle of Mogadishu..the battle with Marcus Luttrell..and to hang out with Einstein when he discovered E=mc2


Yep...thought of this as well....along with many Lewis and Clark moments.

Seeing sights and land for the first time (or at least first documented time) must have been an experience that words couldnt possibly do justice.

[Just Passin' By]

Moon landing

Which studio? :Poke:

[displacedinMN]

The big bang

No, really.

It would be easier to explain it in class and prove it happened.

[Rain Man]

1. Building of the Great Pyramid.
2. Beginning of the Bronze Age (first person to make a bronze weapon), as long as I can stay a couple of days to watch how they live.
3. Discussion meetings regarding the Declaration of Independence
4. Caligula naming a horse to the Senate (and then perhaps one of his after-parties)
5. Columbus' discovery of the Americas.

[suzzer99]

To be at the party where supposedly Hey Jude and Sympathy for the Devil were screened for the first time.

Unless that's not true. Then I want to be in the kitchen the first time Thin Mints were created.

[Coochie liquor]

The building of the pyramids in Egypt. The "weather balloon" crash in Roswell. The first bbw strip club... Not necessarily in that order.

[BucEyedPea]

The original Constitutional Convention.

[cdcox]

I would pick a high leverage moment when history hung in the balance and could go down one path or another.

Some candidates:

Kennedy's inner circle room during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Truman's inner circle when deciding whether to drop the bomb.
Gettysburg
Constitutional debates

[DJJasonp]

I would pick a high leverage moment when history hung in the balance and could go down one path or another.

Some candidates:

Kennedy's inner circle room during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Truman's inner circle when deciding whether to drop the bomb.
Gettysburg
Constitutional debates

Solid choices!

[mr. tegu]

Anything with dinosaurs.

[srvy]

The day my Father and Mother made me. See if there was the gleam.

The instant I was born.

Sermon on the Mount.

The Resurrection.

The Exodus especially the sea parting.

The Gettysburg Address

Picket's Charge and the look on Lee's face when what was left retreated.

[Prince22]

Superbowl IV

[TEX]

Superbowl IV

ROFL :clap: Rep!

[Pants]

The arrival of the Anunnaki in Sumer.

;)

[Beerthirty]

when John Elway was concieved and kick his old man in the nuts before.

[cmh6476]

Adam and Eve eats the apple

[cmh6476]

Moses loses the other 10 commandments

[Hammock Parties]

lol @ people picking biblical events....they really happened!

[cmh6476]

Dr. James Naismith organizes the first basketball exercise

[cmh6476]

lol @ people picking biblical events....they really happened!

are you insinuating I would be sitting there awhile waiting for something to happen that never materializes?

[Rausch]

If I had 30 seconds to live and could transport to anywhere/when it'd be Hiroshima...

[cmh6476]

Ice Age melts; I expect a lot of flooding

[Amnorix]

Truman's inner circle when deciding whether to drop the bomb.


I don't really believe there was ever all that much debate or discussion about it, to be honest. From what I've seen/read, it seems like there was a pretty broad consensus that it was a bomb, and you use it. There were a few scientists who had started to go the other way on it, but I don't think the administration or many in the military (other than Leahy) really stressed about it.

[ptlyon]

The last super bowl

[cmh6476]

Al Gore invents the internet

[cmh6476]

God resting on the 7th day

[BoneKrusher]

Super Bowl IV

[Rausch]

The last super bowl

wOW.

That's deep...

[seaofred]

The night Pat Garrett "shot" Billy the Kid.
Assassination of Lincoln
Assassination of Kennedy
The Manhattan Project

[Dayze]

2 girls 1 cup

LMAO

[Dayze]

JFK Assasination
First atomic bomb test
Moon Landing

the first ones that come to mind

[Cooter Bailey]

Great post.
The resurrection of Christ.


He said historical events. The cricifixion isn't an historic event.

[Amnorix]

Good lord, where to start... I'll need a translator with me for some of this.

US/Modern History:

1. Surrender of the British at Yorktown; Reaction at Whitehall and Windsor when news of the event arrived.

2. Battle of Trafalgar

3. D-Day

4. Churchill and, errr, Patton I think it was, pissing in the Rhein (so I could stand next to them and piss in the Rhein too).

5. Reaction of Stalin when Germany invades.

6. Reaction of Hitler when news of the surrender of the army at Stalingrad arrives

7. Reaction of the Japanese military leadership and Emperor when news of the Hiroshima bombing arrives

8. Third Day of Gettysburg and reaction of Bobby Lee and Longstreet when Pickett's Charge fails.

9. Debates of the Constitutional Convention.

10. Compound assault that ended in the death of Osama bin Laden


Older World History:

1. Building of the Great Pyramid

2. Burning of the Library at Alexandria

3. Fall of Constantinople to the Ottoman Empire

4. Death of Julius Caesar

5. Fall and sack of Baghdad by the Mongols

6. Martin Luther posting the 95 theses

7. Councils of Henry VIII leading to his decision to turn England Protestant, and the reaction of the Pope when he received news of this.

8. The Roman Catholic legates entering the Hagia Sophia during high mass and depositing a bull of excommunication on the altar of the church (e.g. the main event in the Great Schism).

[Demonpenz]

The Jewish Holicoust...since it never happened.

[ptlyon]

wOW.

That's deep...

The only way I could have enjoyed it more would be to be present to yell "MANNING YOU SUCK"

[cosmo20002]

Great post.
The resurrection of Christ.

Historic event--stuff that actually happened.

[ptlyon]

Historic event--stuff that actually happened.

So he was hatched?

[Hammock Parties]

are you insinuating I would be sitting there awhile waiting for something to happen that never materializes?

No. You probably would have been raped by passing highwaymen before you realized what happened.

[Cooter Bailey]

The Jewish Holicoust...since it never happened.

Big difference. There is proof of the Jewish Holocaust.

[MTG#10]

April 29th 1992

[Dartgod]

No. You probably would have been raped by passing highwaymen before you realized what happened.


If there was a significant historical event that you could have been at live and in person (with no chance of dying or having any harm befall you) - what would it be?
Personally, I would consider that quite harmful. That's me though. Perhaps you would lay back and enjoy it.

[confused]

Big difference. There is proof of the Jewish Holocaust.
About as much proof as something that doesn't have a lot of proof. Proof that Otto Frank portrayed his daughter in a work of fiction in order to become famous and cash out on the Hollow-cost? Absolutely, there's plenty of proof for that.

[Reerun_KC]

We all might be around long enough to see the Constitution of this once great country get shredded into a million pieces.

[BucEyedPea]

I don't really believe there was ever all that much debate or discussion about it, to be honest. From what I've seen/read, it seems like there was a pretty broad consensus that it was a bomb, and you use it. There were a few scientists who had started to go the other way on it, but I don't think the administration or many in the military (other than Leahy) really stressed about it.

Actually, that's not true and there's quotes by some of his generals which show they were opposed to it.
I posted a good amount of them several years back. It was Truman's decision and he took full responsibility for it.

[BucEyedPea]

We all might be around long enough to see the Constitution of this once great country get shredded into a million pieces.

You're living through it right now. :deevee:Good choice although sad!

[BucEyedPea]

My second choice would be The Last Supper--but only for the food.

[Dayze]

My second choice would be The Last Supper--but only for the food.

I heard the lobster bisque was amazing.

[BigRedChief]

About as much proof as something that doesn't have a lot of proof. Proof that Otto Frank portrayed his daughter in a work of fiction in order to become famous and cash out on the Hollow-cost? Absolutely, there's plenty of proof for that.Your a stupid human being. All those photos and videos are fake. Millions of personal stories are all made up to make Nazi's look bad. Actual physical evidence you can see today. But it's all BS? Anyone who denies the holocaust is an Anti-Semite.

[BucEyedPea]

I heard the lobster bisque was amazing.

They had that there? I suppose if God was there anything was possible.

I'd like to see what their olives and olive oil was like.

[confused]

Your a stupid human being. All those photos and videos are fake. Millions of personal stories are all made up to make Nazi's look bad. Actual physical evidence you can see today. But it's all BS? Anyone who denies the holocaust is an Anti-Semite.
You're*

[Dayze]

"hey.....we're out of bisque"!!!


"no you're not". SHAZAAAM


"Thank you Jesus (in unison). You're awesome"!

[BucEyedPea]

LMAO

[Boise_Chief]

To you all that would say that there was no crucifixion of a Jewish man named Jesus, you might do a little research. There are multiple examples of the event in non-christian writings to verify that there was a man named Jesus crucified by Pontius Pilate.
In Jerusalem they still have the death sentence passed down prior to handing him to Pontius Pilate, check out Pliny the younger and Tacitus or Josephus.


You can doubt the parting of the red sea, or the resurrection but to say that you couldn't see the crucifixion is ignorant. You don't have to believe but there was indeed a man named Jesus who stirred up the country side and was crucified by Pontius Pilate at the request of the Jewish leadership.

[MTG#10]

Your a stupid human being. All those photos and videos are fake. Millions of personal stories are all made up to make Nazi's look bad. Actual physical evidence you can see today. But it's all BS? Anyone who denies the holocaust is an Anti-Semite.

I believe Hitler hated Jews and had a lot of them killed. I dont believe it was anywhere close to 6 million though. I'm not an anti-semite; I just think that number has been severely inflated and there is a lot of evidence that supports this belief.

[listopencil]

2. Burning of the Library at Alexandria



I would not want to see that. That still pisses me off.

[BucEyedPea]

I would not want to see that. That still pisses me off.

You were really there the first time? Or did you undergo regression hypnosis and re-live it?

[Cooter Bailey]

About as much proof as something that doesn't have a lot of proof. Proof that Otto Frank portrayed his daughter in a work of fiction in order to become famous and cash out on the Hollow-cost? Absolutely, there's plenty of proof for that.


You really are confused. I don't know how there could be more evidence if the holocaust.

[confused]

You really are confused. I don't know how there could be more evidence if the holocaust.
of the Holocaust*

[Chief Roundup]

Assassination of JFK.

[Cooter Bailey]

To you all that would say that there was no crucifixion of a Jewish man named Jesus, you might do a little research. There are multiple examples of the event in non-christian writings to verify that there was a man named Jesus crucified by Pontius Pilate.
In Jerusalem they still have the death sentence passed down prior to handing him to Pontius Pilate, check out Pliny the younger and Tacitus or Josephus.


You can doubt the parting of the red sea, or the resurrection but to say that you couldn't see the crucifixion is ignorant. You don't have to believe but there was indeed a man named Jesus who stirred up the country side and was crucified by Pontius Pilate at the request of the Jewish leadership.

It's a huge stretch to call this proof. There are writings about a lot of fictional people and fictional events thru the ages. Proof? Nada.

[Reerun_KC]

Chiefs superbowl victory.

[saphojunkie]

I believe Hitler hated Jews and had a lot of them killed. I dont believe it was anywhere close to 6 million though. I'm not an anti-semite; I just think that number has been severely inflated and there is a lot of evidence that supports this belief.

What the fuck. I am... so... floored....

You're a fucking moron.

[Chief_For_Life58]

when OJ killed nicole and that other guy

[C3HIEF3S]

I would like to go back and watch AustinChief create Chiefs Planet.

[BigRedChief]

I believe Hitler hated Jews and had a lot of them killed. I dont believe it was anywhere close to 6 million though. I'm not an anti-semite; I just think that number has been severely inflated and there is a lot of evidence that supports this belief.

You should have kept your ignorant thoughts to yourself and your fellow Hitler apologist's. Your stupidity is dumbfounding.

[BigMeatballDave]

I believe Hitler hated Jews and had a lot of them killed. I dont believe it was anywhere close to 6 million though. I'm not an anti-semite; I just think that number has been severely inflated and there is a lot of evidence that supports this belief.

I suppose you think the Moon landing was fake.

Are you a member of the Flat Earth Society?

[Boise_Chief]

It's a huge stretch to call this proof. There are writings about a lot of fictional people and fictional events thru the ages. Proof? Nada.

If you don't want to believe, don't that is on you. If you want to be ignorant help yourself.

But consider this how many letters from the Roman empire still exist today in any form. The letters from Pliny the younger are coming from an anti-christian viewpoint on how to prosecute christians. This is from 110 ad. he would know about the existence of a man that had been executed a hundred years before. That would be like us doubting the existence of John Wilkes Booth.
He doesn't doubt that a man named Jesus that is the basis of this faith existed. That would have been an obvious thing to persecute them over ( they follow a man who never existed)

I don't want to drag this into DC but is your google broken, you might want to do a little research if you want to argue this point.

[Boise_Chief]

I would like to go back and watch AustinChief create Chiefs Planet.

I was around (not at his house) I think you'd find it vaguely anti-climactic. It was cool but Custer's last stand would have more action.

[Pepe Silvia]

History is overrated.

[Rain Man]

I think there are three critical issues that should be considered strongly in historic event time teleportation. Most have been touched on, but I think we need a post that clearly delineates a policy. When one of us eventually has the opportunity to do so, we want to make the most of it and not waste it. So I hereby present the three guiding philosophical principles of time travel teleportation, along with a third optional but recommended principle.

#1 - The event should actually be something that was not a mundane event at the time.

Some things have great historical important, but by themselves they're rather mundane. For example, if you want to see Jonas Salk cure polio, that's great, but you're going to travel back in time and witness a person getting a vaccination. Is that really the best use of your time travel dollar? Same with most of the Lewis and Clark expedition or crossing on the Mayflower. Unless you're into the details, they're just hiking and sailing.

#2 - The event should be something that can be understood.

This is a tough one, but must be said. If you would have no idea what's going on due to language or other issues, then you're going to lose some impact. For example, seeing the signing the Magna Carta would be cool, but most likely it would just be a bunch of people talking gibberish and then the guy with the crown and fur collar signs a document.

#3 - The event should have some sort of mystery or uncertainty to be solved.

This is important. It would be a cool experience to go back to V-E Day in Times Square or see the signing of the Declaration of Independence, but we pretty much know what happened. This is true of many things in the era of videorecording like the moon walks. You don't need to time travel if you can just pop in a video. In some of these events, perhaps a greater value would be finding the stuff that's not documented, such as perhaps the discussions leading up to the signing of the Declaration, or Hitler's bunker the week before V-E Day.

#4 (optional, but recommended). The event should be something that is reasonably pleasant to see.

This is optional, and there may certainly be value in viewing an unpleasant event. But for you people who want to go back and see a biblical character get crucified, I ask, "Really?" That's probably an unpleasant thing to watch. Same with Hiroshima and a whole lot of battles. Rather than watching the battles, which are a bunch of bleeding and screaming and gore, perhaps you should watch the general's tent or other headquarters, which contains the most interesting elements from a historic/mystery standpoing, but also won't ruin your shirt and leave you psychologically scarred.

[Chief Roundup]

I suppose you think the Moon landing was fake.

Are you a member of the Flat Earth Society?

But, but, but the shadow wasn't right.

[MTG#10]

You should have kept your ignorant thoughts to yourself and your fellow Hitler apologist's. Your stupidity is dumbfounding.

I suppose you think the Moon landing was fake.

Are you a member of the Flat Earth Society?

I said I believe Hitler was responsible for the deaths of a lot of Jews. I'm no apologist...he was an evil piece of shit. But 6 million, all Jews? From all the research Ive done that number isn't practical or possible.

The number 6 million people claim includes people that werent Jewish at all, but were killed for being gay, Catholic, or Roma. Not to mention after emigrations and evacuations there weren't even close to 6 million Jews left in Europe to be killed.

The number of people murdered doesn't matter anyway, the crime stands as a warning of the depravity and evil to which all humans are capable of sinking.

[ptlyon]

History is overrated.

Without history there would be no yesterday and therefore no Beatles. So yah, history sucks.

[bevischief]

Atlantis before it sank/disappeared.

[Coochie liquor]

April 29th 1992

There was a riot in the streets tell me where were you....

[Sfeihc]

Superbowl IV

THIS.

[Pepe Silvia]

Without history there would be no yesterday and therefore no Beatles. So yah, history sucks.

That's not history, that's a distraction from real history.

[CoMoChief]

WW2

[Coochie liquor]

Also I'd like to go back to Chiefs war room during the first round of the 1983 draft, and tell them FOR GODS SAKE TAKE MARINO, or anyone not named Blackledge.....

[Steron]

June 28, 1914 - Archduke Frans Ferdinand is assassinated

May 20, 1974 - Rope-a-dope

June 6, 1944 - Although I'm not sure I would be able to stomach the carnage

May 6, 1937 - Oh the humanity!

January 20,1970 - Super Bowl IV

I'm sure there are many others that I will add later.

[The Iron Chief]

Signing of the Declaration of Independence
The big Bang
Seeing the last of the dinosaurs, and knowing for certain why they aren't around any more.(The extinction of the dinosaurs.)

[Buehler445]

Lots of good suggestions here. Here's a few more:

Hindenberg
One of those crazy Mayan rituals where all the stars line up and shit...crazy
Massive gladiator battles at the Colosseum
Lewis and Clark expedition

[Buck]

Probably the Assassination of Franz Ferdinand.

Edit: not to see the murder, but to witness the most important event in Western History.

[Dayze]

being their when whatever crashed at Roswell.

[gblowfish]

Birth of Christ would have been cool. But who brings frankincense to a baby shower???

[cosmo20002]

Birth of Christ would have been cool. But who brings frankincense to a baby shower???

The conception would have been cooler. And it would settle kind of a big debate.

[Sully]

Probably the Assassination of Franz Ferdinand.

Edit: not to see the murder, but to witness the most important event in Western History.


Plus, world war aside, it was pretty funny how the whole thing played out through the day.

[MOhillbilly]

When Jerry Lee set his piano on fire and told chuck berry what's up.


The birth of punk rock.

[notorious]

Creation.


Whatever happened, it would answer the question of "Why are we here?"

[cdcox]

Creation.


Whatever happened, it would answer the question of "<s>Why</s> How are we here?"

FYP

[cmh6476]

landing at plymouth

[ThaVirus]

If I were given this opportunity, I'd have to go big. As Rain Man said, I'd like to use my one shot on something with a bit of mystery or wonder. Things like sitting in on some discussions (Declaration and Constitution for example) or watching a war/assassination (D-Day and JFK for example) just wouldn't do it for me..

With that said, I'm thinking:

Sometime when the dinosaurs were around. I know that only narrows it down to about a 300 million year period, but I would just like to see them.

The moon landing. Getting a front row seat to outer space with no possibility of harm would be too tempting to pass up. Imagine looking at Earth. Must be so surreal.

I know for a fact, if given the chance, I would choose one of those two. But, some honorable mentions anyway: watching the pyramids at Giza built, Auschwitz during the Holocaust, and a slave ship carrying Africans to America circa 1700 or so.

EDIT: In keeping with the outer space theme, maybe accompanying a rover on Mars would be appropriate as well. That doesn't have quite the appeal as the moon does though, IMO.

[Rasputin]

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[ThaVirus]

Creation.


Whatever happened, it would answer the question of "Why are we here?"

Oh, this is a good one as well. Would go along well with my theme.

The creation of the universe.

[Rasputin]

I'd really like to just go back and see how hot Eve was. Naked before she tempted Adam with the fruit.

[Rasputin]

I would have liked to stand behind Leonardo da Vinci as he was painting the Mona Lisa and make faces at the lady subject to get her to laugh and not keep a strait face.

[Aries Walker]

I think the Rain Man hit it right on the head, here. These are the standards to use, to make sure your one big chance doesn't turn out to be a stereotypical disappointing vacation.

I think there are three critical issues that should be considered strongly in historic event time teleportation. Most have been touched on, but I think we need a post that clearly delineates a policy. When one of us eventually has the opportunity to do so, we want to make the most of it and not waste it. So I hereby present the three guiding philosophical principles of time travel teleportation, along with a third optional but recommended principle.

#1 - The event should actually be something that was not a mundane event at the time.

Some things have great historical important, but by themselves they're rather mundane. For example, if you want to see Jonas Salk cure polio, that's great, but you're going to travel back in time and witness a person getting a vaccination. Is that really the best use of your time travel dollar? Same with most of the Lewis and Clark expedition or crossing on the Mayflower. Unless you're into the details, they're just hiking and sailing.
I agree with Salk (a scientist in a lab), and with the Mayflower (a bunch of demoralized pain-in-the-ass Super-Christian evangelists shacking up with some unfriendly and hardbitten mercenery soldiers on their worst gig ever. Then they land, find some stuff, spy a few Indians which they'll never catch but which will always be out there, and have to suffer through a Game of Thrones winter right away during which half of them die. And the whole time they're praying and invoking and preaching at you that the devil makes you dress like that. All winter. Not awesome.

Lewis and Clark, though, was not just sailing and hiking. Lewis had to welcome all of these Native tribes by handing out trinkets of massive national importants - badges, shoes, a carved stick pretending it's a sceptre, that sort of thing - and he had no idea which Sachem got what. So he made it up, all the while trying to keep up this brilliant speech, and more or less randomly handed these things out, giving the Chiefs random titles. As he stumbled off the stump, wiping his brow with a "Whew, made it", the Chiefs were all looking down at this crap, wondering what it meant to the Great Father back in Washington, and in short order, hundreds of years of tenuous inter-tribal relations were pissed right into the wind by Lewis, who know not a damn thing of what diplomatic hand grenades he was hurling about. Man, I would have loved to see that.

And later: They almost went to war with a band of Sioux who wanted the barrels of whiskey kept below decks; Clark - an over six-foot career military man - was standing on the prow, swinging his saber at the encroaching (drunken) braves while Lewis wheeled around the 1804 equivalent of an assault cannon from the keelboat, ready to let fly the lead.

Even later, there's Lewis, hanging off of a cliff by one thin branch. Numerous encounters with Grizzlies, which these guys have never seen and assumed they were demons. Natives stealing their stuff and running. Desertion and abandonment, punishable by flogging. Meeting Sacagawea and her drunken lout of a husband; when one of the canoes capsized, spilling the diaries into the water, Sacagawea - pregnant at 16 - jumping in to save them. There was the Native reactions to Clark's slave, York, because of his skin color, and Lewis's Newfoundland dog, Seaman. York and Seaman chased a bear a few times. They saw prarie dogs together. Hugh McNeal, one of the men, was attacked, clawed up, and chased up a tree by a Grizzly, and stayed up there for the better part of a day.

They had storms, waterfalls where there weren't supposed to be any. They were being followed by the Spanish and British and probably the French, any of which would have killed them on the spot. They would have been shot dead also by the Nez Perce if it turned out that the chief was Sacagawea's long-lost brother! The Expedition had more than enough fascinating bits to see, it's way up on my list.

In fact, exploration as a general category would be a great start.

#2 - The event should be something that can be understood.

This is a tough one, but must be said. If you would have no idea what's going on due to language or other issues, then you're going to lose some impact. For example, seeing the signing the Magna Carta would be cool, but most likely it would just be a bunch of people talking gibberish and then the guy with the crown and fur collar signs a document.

Granted that most people wouldn't understand it. (I would, but just because I'm me - the scene of the simpleton king signing the thing needs to have half a dozen glowering, mail-clad, sword-wielding, all-business Dukes and Barons in a semicircle behind him, tell him exactly where to put his mark.) It would be a scene, but it wasn't grandiose and it didn't last long and the room probably smelled, so I'd pass on that one as well.

#3 - The event should have some sort of mystery or uncertainty to be solved.

This is important. It would be a cool experience to go back to V-E Day in Times Square or see the signing of the Declaration of Independence, but we pretty much know what happened. This is true of many things in the era of videorecording like the moon walks. You don't need to time travel if you can just pop in a video. In some of these events, perhaps a greater value would be finding the stuff that's not documented, such as perhaps the discussions leading up to the signing of the Declaration, or Hitler's bunker the week before V-E Day.

Completely with you on this one. We saw Kennedy say "Ich bin ein Berliner' already; no need to relive it.

#4 (optional, but recommended). The event should be something that is reasonably pleasant to see.

This is optional, and there may certainly be value in viewing an unpleasant event. But for you people who want to go back and see a biblical character get crucified, I ask, "Really?" That's probably an unpleasant thing to watch. Same with Hiroshima and a whole lot of battles. Rather than watching the battles, which are a bunch of bleeding and screaming and gore, perhaps you should watch the general's tent or other headquarters, which contains the most interesting elements from a historic/mystery standpoing, but also won't ruin your shirt and leave you psychologically scarred.
This is important for me. I appreciate the world-changing gravitas on June 6 on Normandy Beach, but it would be a grisly abbatoir like none other, I should think. Saving Private Ryan was pretty close, but it was non-stop, not cleaned up to tell a narrative, and it went all day, and it was loud and it stunk. I don't really need to live the horror to know what it was. Same goes with 9/11 inside the buildings or the planes, Payne Stewart's death plane, the crucifixion of this guy or the assassination of that, or the explosion of a bomb or eruption of Vesuvius. No, thanks.

I also think there should be one more requirement: The events of the day (or, however long) should not have been predetermined. Of course, we'll know how they end, but the other people there have to not know if their team will win or lose, in whatever form. Otherwise, a plan running through with no hiccups is, well, boring.

And I, personally, would like it to happen in a place where I can understand, if not necessary speak, the language. So that cuts out most of the Eastern world, at least.

To recap: 1: Not mundane; 2: Understandable; 3: A mystery to be solved; 4: Not gruesome (to personal limit); and 5: Unexpected result. I will also add 6: Understandable language, for myself, because I'd like to follow along.

[Dave Lane]

The day my Father and Mother made me. See if there was the gleam.

The instant I was born.

Sermon on the Mount.

The Resurrection.

The Exodus especially the sea parting.

The Gettysburg Address

Picket's Charge and the look on Lee's face when what was left retreated.

Well at least 4 of those happened so you got about 50%. Not sure I wanna see my parents make me or shit me out though.

[eDave]

Moon landing
First Atomic Bomb test
Downtown NY during 9/11
Roswell
Led Zeppelin 02 reunion concert - Historic to me

[Aries Walker]

So, all of that in mind, here's my top . . . however many, not in order.

- The Second Constitutional Congress, taking votes for whether to defy Great Britain and make our own damn country. They were one vote short when Delaware's Caesar Rodney came in, his spurs jingling as he was still in his traveling clothes which were dripping from rain. Rodney was a tall, gaunt, spectral figure who wore a full hat and a green veil to hide the face that he was suffering from terminal face cancer. He had ridden, sick and through a driving rainstorm, from southern Delaware up to Philadelphia, just to make that vote, which he did. He cast the decider, we declared our independence, and he went back to Delaware, where he lived for a few more years before the face cancer claimed him. I would have loved to see that.

- The 1904 St. Louis World's Fair was famous for its food. The Palace of Agriculture was 640,000 square feet in size and 8 stories tall, filled with displays of food from all over the world. Visitors there could see a 17,000 gallon cask of Champagne, lemons weighing 7 pounds each, statues carved of butter, and a larger-than-life-sized elephant made entirely of nuts. H.J. Heinz and Joseph Schlitz, each aware of the food-safety concerns of the day, promoted their new systems of germ-safe bottling to much acclaim. When President Roosevelt and his family visited, they were treated to a two-hour banquet serving Columbian soup, Oyster Bay salad, celery, radishes, grapes, almonds, a Salmon soufflé, Julienne potatoes, beef medallions, risotto (with truffles), and a quail, all washed down by various German beers and wines, with glazed biscuits, coffee, and cigars for dessert. It was also the first time that much of the world experienced cotton candy, hamburgers, hot dogs, peanut butter, iced tea, chili, ice cream cones, and Dr. Pepper. That would have been a meal - or a series of meals - to remember.

- 1000 AD. When Leif Ericson explored the coast of Newfoundland around 1000 AD, one of those accompanying him was his tempestuous half-sister, Freydis Eiriksdottir. During an attack by indigenous Native Americans, the Vikings retreated to a more defensible position, but Freydis - who was pregnant at the time - couldn’t keep up, and continuously berated her kinsmen for running away. With the attackers closing in on her, she picked up a dead man’s sword and turned to face them. Dropping her tunic, she slapped her naked breasts with the sword and screamed challenges, daring them to attack her. Terrified, they ran away. My kind of woman.

- In 1827, Sultan Muhammad Ali of Egypt gifted Charles X of France with a pair of giraffes. The male giraffe died early, but the female - named Zarafa, meaning "lovely one", and source of the word "giraffe" - was shipped from Africa to Marseilles, and then walked up to Paris. As she attracted massive crowds in every town she passed, it was determined that she would cause too much of a riot if she was marched through the capital city during daylight. Sleepy Parisians were therefore surprised in the middle of the night by the sight of Zarafa's head, lazily drifting by their second-story windows in the dead of night, her long purple tongue casually eating the leaves off of Parisian trees. That just sounds cool.

- The image we all know of the sailor kissing the nurse in Times' Square is part of a much larger party. Everyone was out in the streets, drunk and partying as much as they like, and everyone was in the best of moods. The sheer optimism of the day would have made it a great place to see.

- In 1381, Wat Tyler led a bunch of peasants to storm the Tower of London in response to ridiculous taxes. The King at the time, Richard II, was the closest the crown has seen to a real-life Joffrey Baratheon, only without the courage - a teenage simp who spent most of his time being manipulated by his nobles, and too poor-tempered to do anything on his own. So this mob descends on London, kills a few court officials, and the King flees with his retinue back to the Tower. The mob still comes; they cross the bridges and are closing in, when . . . Richard II rides out, alone, to address them. He was a diplomatic nightmare who had done literally nothing of use for his entire reign, and now he gets this bug and meets his people directly. And they listen! They make a demand, he says he'll get it done. They make another, he agrees. End slavery? We can do that! He tells them to go home, get some rest, he'll hammer it out with his people and come back in two days. And when the peasants optimistically come back in two days for diplomatic talks, one of the King's enforcers cuts Wat Tyler in half, they chase the leaderless, confused peasants around for a bit, run them back home, and the rebellion is over. But the fact that this useless worm took initiative and real, limb-tearing risk, and got the job done, was amazing. Of course, he then went right back to being a complete shit, was captured, imprisoned, deposed, and likely assassinated, but I'd like to have seen his one moment.

- The First Thanksgiving. Massasoit and his Wampanoags visiting Bradford and the Mayflower settlers. This was the high water mark for European-Native American relations forever; it was never this good. These men were friends, and their cooperation lasted until their deaths (and the subsequent King Philip's War between their sons). At this point, though, it was two cultures who couldn't have less in common, sharing their lives with each other, children playing, people laughing. It's what Thanksgiving should be.

- Oh, and Super Bowl IV. A perfect day. I'll bring my phone and take selfies with Dawson and Stram and Buck Buchanan.

More if I think of them.

[007]

front and center for the moon landing.

For those saying Superbowl IV I would want to have the results of the game erased from my mind so I could truly enjoy each moment as if it was new.

[crazycoffey]

I heard the lobster bisque was amazing.

They had that there? I suppose if God was there anything was possible.

I'd like to see what their olives and olive oil was like.

He made lobster bisque to feed everyone with only half a crawdad


I don't want to go back and see any part of my parents courtship, to you weirdos who do.

The building of the pyramids likely could've taken 100s of years. But it would be a good choice to see if it was really the aliens.

A biblical event? Many biblical events are just as historically relevant as Homer's Iliad or King Arthur, I mean the only reason we know the Great Wall of china exists is because we can still see it. If it was only pictures in a book, I'd bet there'd be many doubting Thomas'.

So, I guess I'd pick Eve eating the apple. Adam and I are going to do the first Eiffel Tower soon after.

Other than those two, I guess I'd like to see how big the Trojan horse really was, how large the Roman Empire became, the shootout at the OK corral, the births of Hitler, Stalin, Elway and other oppressive leaders (because I assume these visits are interactive), the filming of every major movie production from 1920 to 1970 (including porn), just to name a few.

[Easy 6]

The Kanye and Kim wedding, just imagine being able to say you were THERE...

Talk about one for the history books.

[Graystoke]

When Man first made fire.
Can you imagine?

[Rain Man]

The building of the pyramids likely could've taken 100s of years. But it would be a good choice to see if it was really the aliens.



The reason that it was my top choice is that it scores high on my guiding principles of time travel.

1. It had scale. It was a big undertaking at the time and likely garnered a lot of attention and effort.

2. It's something I can understand. I certainly couldn't speak the language, but I could watch what's happening and learn all sorts of stuff. Per Aries' revision to my guiding principles, this would get divided into two categories, and the pyramids would only score one.

3. It solves a mystery. It would have taken a long time to build, but I could watch for a day and solve the whole mystery.

4. It would be reasonably pleasant to see. I don't get the impression that this was a particularly cruel or bloody process, and how cool would it be to get watch the Great Pyramid being built?

5. Per Aries' revision to my theory, I like his proposal that the events of the day not be predetermined. The pyramids viewing kind of fails this test, I guess, but a score of 4 out of 5 is still pretty good.

In thinking about it, I would add yet another scoring category, which is tertiary benefits. Aside from seeing the historical event, are there other side benefits that would accrue. For example, in this case it would be really interesting to see how the pharoahs lived and what everyday life was like in ancient Egypt. I wouldn't understand some of it due to language, but mere observation would provide significant reward.

Yet one more scoring category might be personal comfort, but I'm assuming that we're going back in a protected bubble since the rules are that we're safe from harm. So we're not going to get blasted to bits if we go back to the Big Bang or the dinosaur meteor.

[Rain Man]

So I'd like to propose Version 2 of our guiding principles of time travel:

#1 - The event should actually be something that was not a mundane event at the time.
#2 - The event should be something that can be understood on observation.
#3 - The event should be something that can be understood in terms of languages used, where applicable.
#4 - The event should have some sort of mystery or uncertainty to be solved.
#5 - The event should be something that is within personal limits of pleasantry to gruesomeness.
#6 - The event should involve some element of unpredictability or decision point.
#7 - The event should involve some tertiary benefits or learning beyond the observation of the main event.

An event could be worthwhile without meeting all of these goals, but an event that meets more of these goals shall be considered a more worthy event for time travel. It would be fun to evaluate the suggestions so far under these criteria to determine which trip we would fund if we were the time travel committee.

[ptlyon]

When Man first made fire.
Can you imagine?

Especially when he burned his beard off. Would be fucking hilarious.

[crazycoffey]

The libies are trying to regulate our fantasies now, sheeez.

J/k rainman, poke poke.....

[Steron]

Lots of good suggestions here. Here's a few more:

Hindenberg
One of those crazy Mayan rituals where all the stars line up and shit...crazy
Massive gladiator battles at the Colosseum
Lewis and Clark expedition

Q. I beat ya to it by a couple posts! :p

[ptlyon]

Q. I beat ya to it by a couple posts! :p

Sit down

[Aries Walker]

The libies are trying to regulate our fantasies now, sheeez.

J/k rainman, poke poke.....
Yeah yeah yeah. Keep it up, and we'll institute a tax.

[Rain Man]

As a board, we need to be ready when time travel comes available. I propose that we set up a committee of people to evaluate applications based on the principles that I've summarized below. We'll select an official time travel mission for Chiefsplanet so we're not caught flatfooted when the technological kinks are worked out.

I would propose myself, Aries, and DJjasonp for the committee, and we would welcome others. If you're on the committee, you can't propose a mission, though. We'll evaluate the applications received so far, providing scoring, and use that to select an official mission.

Everyone on board with this plan?

[Predarat]

The Tri State Tornado.

[Aries Walker]

I'm in.

I nominate that all submissions be graded with from one to six :thumb:'s, corresponding to Principles 1 through 4, and 6 and 7. Because Principle 5 (gruesomeness) is so subjective, submissions should also be evaluated with from 0 (none) to 4 (extreme) :Lin:'s, to appeal to all sensibilities. Therefore, a typical grade may look like: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :Lin: :Lin:.

I further nominate that an attempt be made to separate the historical from the theological. Therefore, anything with supernatural evidence intrinsic to the event should be labelled with a :Peace: with no further evaluation. However, events traditionally associated with the supernatural are fine as long as it is judged without the supernatural element; therefore, the crucifixion of Jesus (assuming that the earthquake was natural) is fine, but the resurrection of the same gets summarily labelled with a :Peace:.

Do we start from now, or judge retroactively back to Post One?

[Rain Man]

I'm in.

I nominate that all submissions be graded with from one to six :thumb:'s, corresponding to Principles 1 through 4, and 6 and 7. Because Principle 5 (gruesomeness) is so subjective, submissions should also be evaluated with from 0 (none) to 4 (extreme) :Lin:'s, to appeal to all sensibilities. Therefore, a typical grade may look like: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :Lin: :Lin:.

I further nominate that an attempt be made to separate the historical from the theological. Therefore, anything with supernatural evidence intrinsic to the event should be labelled with a :Peace: with no further evaluation. However, events traditionally associated with the supernatural are fine as long as it is judged without the supernatural element; therefore, the crucifixion of Jesus (assuming that the earthquake was natural) is fine, but the resurrection of the same gets summarily labelled with a :Peace:.

Do we start from now, or judge retroactively back to Post One?

I think we start from Post 1. I'm fine with this judging, though we may need a second round for the finalists.

If someone lists more than 1, then we only go with their first application.

[Hydrae]

Lots of good suggestions here. Here's a few more:

Hindenberg
One of those crazy Mayan rituals where all the stars line up and shit...crazy
Massive gladiator battles at the Colosseum
Lewis and Clark expedition

How about one of the naval battles they would put on in the Colosseum?

[displacedinMN]

As a board, we need to be ready when time travel comes available. I propose that we set up a committee of people to evaluate applications based on the principles that I've summarized below. We'll select an official time travel mission for Chiefsplanet so we're not caught flatfooted when the technological kinks are worked out.

I would propose myself, Aries, and DJjasonp for the committee, and we would welcome others. If you're on the committee, you can't propose a mission, though. We'll evaluate the applications received so far, providing scoring, and use that to select an official mission.

Everyone on board with this plan?


I nominate myself. I am a teacher and appreciate things that happen in life.

[Rain Man]

I nominate myself. I am a teacher and appreciate things that happen in life.


I'll second.

[Coochie liquor]

Also I'd like to see what really happened at the Dylatov Pass Incident..

[DTLB58]

About as much proof as something that doesn't have a lot of proof. Proof that Otto Frank portrayed his daughter in a work of fiction in order to become famous and cash out on the Hollow-cost? Absolutely, there's plenty of proof for that.

What's up with your RIP Tracy Morgan Sig? :shake:

[DTLB58]

WWII. My dad always talked about how they listened to the announcement of Pearl Harbor on the radio and then how the whole family would gather nightly around the radio for updates on the war. Classic.

SB IV :thumb:

To watch the Titanic leave shore. I don't think I could watch it from the distance sink and hear the screams.

[JoeyChuckles]

Man a lot of people want to see death and destruction.

[teedubya]

I'd say the Council of Nicea and the inner circle of their planning. I'd like to know, for sure, what is bullshit about organized religion.

And D-Day would have been pretty amazing to witness. So many balls of steel.

Also, taking a picture of Hitler and Eva Braun getting off their submarine after landing in Argentina (http://guardianlv.com/2014/03/argentina-was-hitlers-final-home-according-to-fbi-files-part-i/).

Also, I'd like to have been on the roof during the Beatles rooftop concert.

[GloucesterChief]

No one has said Wilt Chamberlains 100 point game yet?

[Rasputin]

No one has said Wilt Chamberlains 100 point game yet?



Dude I was just going say Wilt Chamberlains 100. Good one.

[DJJasonp]

As a board, we need to be ready when time travel comes available. I propose that we set up a committee of people to evaluate applications based on the principles that I've summarized below. We'll select an official time travel mission for Chiefsplanet so we're not caught flatfooted when the technological kinks are worked out.

I would propose myself, Aries, and DJjasonp for the committee, and we would welcome others. If you're on the committee, you can't propose a mission, though. We'll evaluate the applications received so far, providing scoring, and use that to select an official mission.

Everyone on board with this plan?


I'm in!

[DJJasonp]

And to add a note......my inspiration for this thread (besides the concert thread).....I was going through an album of photos my grandfather put together from his time in WW2.

He chronicled his journey (with many pictures) from Africa....up into Europe through the last days of the war.

He was there, in Milan, the day Mussolini was hung. (and ironically, he told the story that that day was one of the only days he didnt have his camera with him)

In the journal, he has a really cool photo of Sinatra entertaining the troops.

I think of many of those photos - and the journey and things that he saw (both amazing and horrifying I'm sure)......and I cant think of anything remotely similar (similar, in historic anyways) that I have witnessed live (outside of "live" television).

Anyways...that was the inspiration. Lots of great ideas have been submitted!

[teedubya]

I'd like to go back in time and talk to Nikola Tesla, and have him NOT give up his royalties to Westinghouse... then, he could have funded the wireless electricity project on his own, without having to rely on JP Morgan funds. Morgan burned down his lab once he realized that Tesla wanted to give electricity away for FREE to everyone.

[Rasputin]

The first Thanksgiving. I'd like to see the feast and be partaking the food.



I'd like to sit in with King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table.



Also witness the greatest escape artist Harry Houdini.



Watch the real battle of 300 Spartans vs Persians.



I'd like to go back and witness the sexy Cleopatra become the last Pharaoh
of Egypt.

[Rasputin]

Maybe the coolest person in America history to watch would be Benjamin Franklin. The guy was a real ladies man and was charismatic and had to be fun to be around.

So seeing Ben Franklin do some inventing or charming the ladies. I think he was the original Ron Jeremy. He was a diplomat and help get this country started.

How did this short quirky balding guy do it?

[KC_Connection]

Dr. James Naismith organizes the first basketball exercise
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Already seen it on TV. LMAO

[KC_Connection]

Julius Caesar's assasination probably. Trial of Socrates. Maybe Joe Carter's walkoff HR to win the World Series.

[Easy 6]

Also I'd like to see what really happened at the Dylatov Pass Incident..

Right arm...

[PunkinDrublic]

The Jewish Holicoust...since it never happened.

I watched a TV show about the holocaust. It was on an episode of mythbusters.

[RobBlake]

lol @ people picking biblical events....they really happened!

lol @ you being a clown

[bevischief]

Man a lot of people want to see death and destruction.

I want to see Atlantis before it was lost.

[cmh6476]

Andy Reid being offered the Chiefs gig, with Pioli waiting outside

[Stewie]

In the room with Raquel Welch when she realized her breasts were rather large.

[Aries Walker]

Okay, time to get this party started. Page one.

I won't rate my own (if I come across them), and I won't submit any more, but I will rate other judges' as I find them.

The Last Supper. It was a mundane event (no point), but even without understanding the language (no point), the extreme historical weight of what's happening would be easily comprehensible (point). As with most Biblical events, the details themselves offer plenty of mystery (point), the events were certainly not preordained (point), and the lifestyle and atmosphere would offer a lot of tertiary information (point). Final rating: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: with no gruesomeness (except maybe Peter's table manners).

JFK Assassination (doing both because it's the first post). A Presidential motorcade is not mundane (point), an assassination's importance can easily be comprehended and understood (point and point). The mystery is obvious (point), the moment unpredictable (point). With the amount this issue has been covered, and with all of the action in one place and over relatively quickly, I'm not convinced there would be much more to see besides the assassination itself, so (no point) for tertiary information. Pretty gruesome with regard to Kennedy's skull, but it was distant and fast, so two barfs. Final rating: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :Lin: :Lin:

I recuse myself from Arthur Bryant, 2 Girls 1 Cup, and Count Zarth's parents' first date, as I am unfamiliar with any of the specifics.

[Aries Walker]

The Crucifixion. Definitely not mundane (point), comprehensible (point), but everyone would have been speaking Aramaic, Hebrew, or Latin (no point). Plennnnnnty of mystery (point), certainly unpredicted (point), and lots of tertiary information (point). Crucifixions are nasty but not much gore, so two barfs. Final rating: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :Lin: :Lin:

The Resurrection gets a :Peace:

The Siege of Yorktown. Not mundane (point), comprehensible (point) and speaking English (point). Not much mystery (no point), but axe-wielding soldiers assaulting wooden redoubts under heavy fire is definitely unpredicted (point). Plenty of tertiary detail to see (point). Typical 18th-century war gore, and a lot of it, so three barfs. Final rating: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :Lin: :Lin: :Lin:

The Wright Brothers. Not mundane at all (point), comprehensible and understandable (point, point). No mystery (no point), but unpredicted (point), and not much else going on (no point). No gore. Final rating: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

[Aries Walker]

D-Day. Not mundane, comprehensible, and understandable (point, point, point). Little mystery (no point), but very unpredicted (point) and a lot of detail going on (point). Lots of gore. Final rating: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :Lin: :Lin: :Lin: :Lin:

Moon Landing. Not mundane, comprehensible, and understandable (point, point, point). Enough mystery to count, if for nothing else to shut up the conspiracy theorists (point), quite unpredicted (point), but with 1969 pretty well documented, there wouldn't be much tertiary detail (no point). No gore. Final rating: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

The Mayflower (I'm interpreting this mostly as the landing at Plymouth Rock). Not mundane, comprehensible, and mostly understandable (point, point, point). What it lacks in mystery (no point) it makes up for in the abundance of tertiary detail (point). Predictable (no point), but no gore. Final rating: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

[Aries Walker]

The Big Bang. Good thing we have our protective bubble. Not mundane, obviously (point). As most of the detail took place outside of our sensory range, I'm saying it wasn't comprehensible (no point). No language, so no language barrier (point). Mystery in that it happened (point). It's tough to gauge unpredictability, as there was no one else around to be surprised by it, but it quite literally came out of nowhere, so (point). No tertiary detail (no point), or gore. Final rating: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

The building the the Great Pyramid. Not mundane (point), comprehensible (point), but everyone was speaking in hieroglyphics (no point). Overloaded with mystery (point), but quite predictable (no point). Lots of tertiary detail (point), and almost no gore. Final rating: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

There you have it, the first fifteen posts' worth.

[Idahojim]

1. JFK doing Marilyn Monroe?
2. The making of Sgt. Pepper album?

[Moon§hiner]

The Donner Party.....oh wait, I thought this was a food thread. NM

[Rausch]

Hiroshima...