Woman who lost her family in 2011 Joplin Tornado is suing Home Depot

[Deberg_1990]

Does Home Depot have a responsibility to provide a "reasonably safe" structure?




http://www.koamtv.com/story/25958787/a-woman-who-lost-her-husband-and-two-children-in-the-joplin-tornado-on-may-22-2011-is-suing-home-depot



A woman who lost her husband and two children in the Joplin Tornado on May 22, 2011 is suing Home Depot.

Russell Howard and his two children were taking refuge from the storm in the Home Depot when the tornado hit the store.

Russell Howard, his five-year-old daughter Harlie, and one year old son Hayze, died in the store.

Howard's wife, Edie Housel, filed the lawsuit saying Home Depot has a duty to provide a reasonably safe structure.

Attorneys for company say their deaths were an act of god.

The suit is filed with the Missouri Supreme court, the amount of damages sought is not made public, except for the fact that the amount is more than $25,000.

[TimBone]

Everybody sue everybody!

[Bugeater]

Cuz all that money will surely take the place of her lost family.

[Discuss Thrower]

This is part of why I never want to live in that stupid town.

Sorry J Diddy. Joplin sucks ass.

[BigMeatballDave]

Such bullshit.

It's a fucking hardware store, not a storm shelter.

[jd1020]

Surprised they aren't suing mother nature.

[Deberg_1990]

Surprised they aren't suing mother nature.

Ban Tornadoes

[Eleazar]

Every structure in the world should be built to withstand an F5 tornado, it's common sense.

[Deberg_1990]

She will probably win because they will be able to find some design/engineering flaw, not matter how minor.

[-King-]

That's why Lowe's is my tornado shelter of choice.
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[Tribal Warfare]

From a buddy of mine, " it looked like a scene from Saw or a Hannibal Lector movie" concerning what was left after.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Still waiting for them to produce a reasonably competent employee.

[BigMeatballDave]

She will probably win because they will be able to find some design/engineering flaw, not matter how minor.

How are they going to find the flaw?

[SAUTO]

From a buddy of mine, " it looked like a scene from Saw or a Hannibal Lector movie" concerning what was left after.

No it didn't, it looked like a tornado ripped through there and people died.
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[Pitt Gorilla]

Yeah, they should probably be suing god.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

I'll never shop at Home depot during a Tornado ! Fuck that , I'm going to be at Hooter, just imagine everybody instructed to get in the smallest room . Hell yeah, free booby feels, in the dark, and nobody will realize where the stench is coming from.

[KChiefs1]

Everybody sue everybody!

Sue Crazy!

[TimBone]

Still waiting for them to produce a reasonably competent employee.

I'm trying to decide if this comment is racist towards Mexicans or not.

Stay tuned, I'll get back to you.

[TimBone]

Sue Crazy!

Yeah she is.

[notorious]

Ya, let's use a store that has hanging saw blades, loose lumber, etc as a tornado shelter.


I feel bad for her, but come on.

[Goldmember]

Surprised they aren't suing mother nature.

Or God. Why do people always blame Mother Nature for bad weather, but God gets all the credit for beautiful weather? Just saying. Mother Nature gets a bum rap.

[Dayze]

she should have to pay all the lawyer fees for this retarded ass suit

[displacedinMN]

I feel sorry for her too.

But with the magnitude of that tornado, No man made structure is built to stand a chance. They have storm shelters, but not basements. I don't see how home depot, the developer or the builder is liable.

Underground was the only way to survive.

This will be settled out of court.

[KCUnited]

Never go full menard.

[In58men]

An act of god?

I'm sure glad we know for sure there's a god

[Marcellus]

This is part of why I never want to live in that stupid town.

Sorry J Diddy. Joplin sucks ass.

What exactly does this have to do with Joplin specifically? This isn't a "Joplin" issue.

[LoneWolf]

What's the definition of "reasonably safe"? The word reason is in there, which is something this woman obviously lacks.

[Fish]

There's a tornado coming. Quick, let's take shelter in that cheaply constructed building full of power tools and lumber!

[Discuss Thrower]

What exactly does this have to do with Joplin specifically? This isn't a "Joplin" issue.

It's a shite town with no future and twice as my shite people for every one decent soul in town.

[Goldmember]

An act of god?

I'm sure glad we know for sure there's a god

Atheists object to this clause.

[Marcellus]

It's a shite town with no future and twice as my shite people for every one decent soul in town.

I dont know about all that. Its nothing special for sure but the cost is reasonable and there are tons of places to work if you arent allergic to actually earning a living.

[Discuss Thrower]

I dont know about all that. Its nothing special for sure but the cost is reasonable and there are tons of places to work if you arent allergic to actually earning a living.

Pretty much every city in the Midwest bigger than 4,000 people have Kum and Go stations and Wally World.

[Mike in SW-MO]

Lots of industry & manufacturing in that town dating back to mining days. Some amazing old technology, some irreplaceable & not in use anywhere else in the world. Dynamite. Some very interesting history there as well.

Some cutting edge industry as well. Printing & batteries for two.

[RedandGold]

I wonder how she would like it if someone took shelter in her house, died, and their family sued her.

It's a terrible thing that happened, and she isn't the only one that lost family in the tornado. Too bad that an ambulance-chasing lawyer got involved looking for a settlement.

[Discuss Thrower]

Lots of industry & manufacturing in that town dating back to mining days. Some amazing old technology, some irreplaceable & not in use anywhere else in the world. Dynamite. Some very interesting history there as well.

Some cutting edge industry as well. Printing & batteries for two.

Yeah. None of that applies to someone who has a degree in the English language.

[Predarat]

They should sue Lowes instead because if Lowes did not suck worse the Home Depot they would have shopped at Lowes instead of Home Depot and evaded the tornado.

[srvy]

If the Missouri Supreme Court rules in this woman's favor then every building and home could be sued because it could not withstand an F5. This would include the the Capitol building in Jeff City and all its satellite offices. My guess this will be thrown out pretty quickly.

[Discuss Thrower]

FWIW God has been successfully been sued in an American court for one of his acts but the plaintiff has never collected.

[srvy]

Not to mention that Home Depot most likely did not have the storm shelter symbol at the door entrance. At least I have never seen one.

[CaliforniaChief]

Unless they can show that there was some particular history of problems with this building, it's going to be pretty tough to prove her case.

I mean, I'm sure some people did survive in the Home Depot, right?

It was an F-5 tornado. You pretty much had to be below ground to survive or not come out seriously maimed.

[Marcellus]

Unless they can show that there was some particular history of problems with this building, it's going to be pretty tough to prove her case.

I mean, I'm sure some people did survive in the Home Depot, right?

It was an F-5 tornado. You pretty much had to be below ground to survive or not come out seriously maimed.

They already have proven every aspect of the building met code or exceeded it. Seems city code would be more to blame.

There is another lady suing Walmart because her husband was not allowed to leave in the middle of the storm and he died in Walmart.

Now imagine if they let him leave and he died. They would be suing for that.

On top of that the Supervisor on shift at Walmart is being personally sued outside of the Walmart law suit. Like he is personally responsible.

There are several other BS lawsuits I would rather not and shouldn't comment on involving coworkers and friends who are personally being sued for wrongful deaths involving people making their own decisions.

The only people getting rich are the defense attorneys. It's pathetic and sad.

[notorious]

Not only should they throw this case out, she should be charged for Home Depot's lawyer fees.

[Marcellus]

Pretty much every city in the Midwest bigger than 4,000 people have Kum and Go stations and Wally World.

So what you are saying is you don't know a damn thing about Joplin. Carry on.

[Discuss Thrower]

So what you are saying is you don't know a damn thing about Joplin. Carry on.

You mean beside living there for the vast majority of my life?

[Marcellus]

Not only should they throw this case out, she should be charged for Home Depot's lawyer fees.

I agree. Problem is most states the civil court laws don't work that way. That's why people sue and why a lot is settled out of court.

It's complete BS.

[BWillie]

If the Missouri Supreme Court rules in this woman's favor then every building and home could be sued because it could not withstand an F5. This would include the the Capitol building in Jeff City and all its satellite offices. My guess this will be thrown out pretty quickly.

Almost absolutely no way she wins. If your neighbors healthy tree falls on your house in a Thunderstorm even, destroys your house, just because you own the tree does not make you at fault. There is tons and tons of civil cases to back that up.

[BWillie]

I feel sorry for her too.

But with the magnitude of that tornado, No man made structure is built to stand a chance. They have storm shelters, but not basements. I don't see how home depot, the developer or the builder is liable.

Underground was the only way to survive.

This will be settled out of court.

It shouldn't be settled at all, Home Depot shouldn't have to pay a thing.

[Marcellus]

You mean beside living there for the vast majority of my life?

Well you obviously didn't pay attention. Like I said Joplin isn't special but it's far from the dump you make it out to be.

Are there better places? Hell yea. Are the worse? Way more worse places than better.

Sorry you got raped or whatever. Not Joplin's fault.

[Marcellus]

Almost absolutely no way she wins. If your neighbors healthy tree falls on your house in a Thunderstorm even, destroys your house, just because you own the tree does not make you at fault. There is tons and tons of civil cases to back that up.

There are many civil cases in litigation right now that say you can sue. Will you win? Doubtful.

[BWillie]

They already have proven every aspect of the building met code or exceeded it. Seems city code would be more to blame.

There is another lady suing Walmart because her husband was not allowed to leave in the middle of the storm and he died in Walmart.

Now imagine if they let him leave and he died. They would be suing for that.

On top of that the Supervisor on shift at Walmart is being personally sued outside of the Walmart law suit. Like he is personally responsible.

There are several other BS lawsuits I would rather not and shouldn't comment on involving coworkers and friends who are personally being sued for wrongful deaths involving people making their own decisions.

The only people getting rich are the defense attorneys. It's pathetic and sad.

Honestly, even if the building wasnt built to code (which im sure it was), still shouldn't constitute anything IMO because the tornado was taking out anything in its path. It wouldn't even be the proximate cause. Wouldn't matter what structure it was outside of a skyscraper, and even then.

[BWillie]

There are many civil cases in litigation right now that say you can sue. Will you win? Doubtful.

Right. You can always sue. If you want to waste time and your money, go ahead. When shit happens its not always somebodys fault. Shit happens.

What im saying is there is tons and tons of case law supporting that Home Depot and other results of acts of nature, to virtually anything, will not result in a successful suit.

[Marcellus]

Honestly, even if the building wasnt built to code (which im sure it was), still shouldn't constitute anything IMO because the tornado was taking out anything in its path. It wouldn't even be the proximate cause. Wouldn't matter what structure it was outside of a skyscraper, and even then.

Surely you aren't implying that every town in Tornado Alley shouldn't be required to make veery single public structure capable of handling an F5 tornado?

[Marcellus]

Right. You can always sue. If you want to waste time and your money, go ahead. When shit happens its not always somebodys fault. Shit happens.

What im saying is there is tons and tons of case law supporting that Home Depot and other results of acts of nature, to virtually anything, will not result in a successful suit.

Right now I know 1 company who has paid around $500,000 in attorneys fees in defense of ridiculous frivolous personal liability lawsuits over the tornado when I know for fact not 1 of the 6 people being sued has an ounce of personal responsibility in what happened.

It's infuriating.

[Bugeater]

Heh, already remarried and cranked out another kid.

https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/t1.0-9/1002549_10202491420795949_1706309459_n.jpg

[BucEyedPea]

Maybe the flaw found was that they didn't have a basement or shelter nearby. SoHD may be found negligent./sarcasm]

Yeah, I know most don't have basements there 'cept maybe older houses or some of newer constructions.

[BucEyedPea]

Heh, already remarried and cranked out another kid.

https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/t1.0-9/1002549_10202491420795949_1706309459_n.jpg

Looks like the newborn is blowing you or whoever that is for the dad a kiss.

[Bugeater]

She's a KU fan too.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/1947448_10203711880506679_1717441270_n.jpg

[Deberg_1990]

She's a KU fan too.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/1947448_10203711880506679_1717441270_n.jpg

Would

[Bugeater]

Would
Still?

https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t1.0-9/564493_4595206367346_1953990201_n.jpg

[Chiefaholic]

First, my company rented a couple buses to take volunteers to work a couple days in Joplin doing clean up. Houses were literally swept off their foundation with damn near a zero percent chance of survival. It looked like a bomb went off with entire neighborhoods flattened and bark removed from trees. Nothing above ground stood a chance to withstand a direct hit. Her lawsuit should and likely will get thrown out of court.

Second, the last place I want to be during a tornado is a building full of tools and sharp objects. The inside would be a death trap even if it weren't directly hit.

[Deberg_1990]

Still?

https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t1.0-9/564493_4595206367346_1953990201_n.jpg

yea sure, but id have to wear a condum....shes pretty fertile.

[milkman]

Clint Howard did an episode of Star Trek that the picture of that woman that DeBerg says "would" about reminds me of.

[Just Passin' By]

A woman who lost her husband and two children in the Joplin Tornado on May 22, 2011 is suing Home Depot.

Let's do this

[DaveNull]

The suit is filed with the Missouri Supreme court.

You don't file suits with the MO Supreme Court.

[Garcia Bronco]

why.do.people.keep building houses.above.ground in tornado alley?

[milkman]

why.do.people.keep building houses.above.ground in tornado alley?

Because they aren't Hobbits?

[Discuss Thrower]

why.do.people.keep building houses.above.ground in tornado alley?

Replace "above ground in tornado alley" with "within 1000 yards of the Atlantic Ocean or Gulf of Mexico" and you are suddenly an asshole.

[Pitt Gorilla]

She's a KU fan too.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/1947448_10203711880506679_1717441270_n.jpg
Seems about right.

[Omaha]

Errrbody sue errrbody!

FYP

[vailpass]

Lots of industry & manufacturing in that town dating back to mining days. Some amazing old technology, some irreplaceable & not in use anywhere else in the world. Dynamite. Some very interesting history there as well.

Some cutting edge industry as well. Printing & batteries for two.

I see what you did there...

[Beef Supreme]

If the building was up to code, I don't see how she has a case.

[Chief Roundup]

why.do.people.keep building houses.above.ground in tornado alley?

Why do people keep building homes in New Orleans, Florida, Napa County CA, and any other places have have long histories of natural disasters?
Short answer is because Insurance companies keep paying out. If insurance stops paying or puts restrictions on what they will cover people will stop rebuilding or building in those areas. Those areas should be considered inhabitable.

[Just Passin' By]

Why do people keep building homes in New Orleans, Florida, Napa County CA, and any other places have have long histories of natural disasters?
Short answer is because Insurance companies keep paying out. If insurance stops paying or puts restrictions on what they will cover people will stop rebuilding or building in those areas. Those areas should be considered inhabitable.

There's not a spot in the country that's not in a position for something bad to happen.

[WhawhaWhat]

Why do people keep building homes in New Orleans, Florida, Napa County CA, and any other places have have long histories of natural disasters?
Short answer is because Insurance companies keep paying out. If insurance stops paying or puts restrictions on what they will cover people will stop rebuilding or building in those areas. Those areas should be considered inhabitable.

Where are those places that don't have natural disasters? Hurricanes, Earthquakes, Tornadoes, Volcanoes, Winter all count.

[vailpass]

Where are those places that don't have natural disasters? Hurricanes, Earthquakes, Tornadoes, Volcanoes, Winter all count.

Scottsdale AZ is immune.

[Great Expectations]

This is over two year old; I'm sure the number is larger now.

http://www.homedepotfoundation.org/page/the-home-depot-foundation-completes-1-million-investment-in-joplin-recovery-fund

[Donger]

Shakespeare was right.

[BullJunkandIron]

The dynamite technology is not in Joplin, try Carthage. Your welcome.

And even that is not technology. That is just where it is assembled. All the material is made then sent to Carthage to be put together as dynamite.

[Mr. Laz]

Howard's wife, Edie Housel, filed the lawsuit saying Home Depot has a duty to provide a reasonably safe structure.

Home Depot does NOT have a responsibility to supply a class 4 tornado proof structure.

sorry, but the dumb bitch needs to just shut up and mourn like the rest are

[ptlyon]

Was lowes still standing?

If so, I'd shop there from now on.

[lcarus]

Ya, let's use a store that has hanging saw blades, loose lumber, etc as a tornado shelter.


I feel bad for her, but come on.

My thoughts exactly ROFL

Can't imagine them trying to choose which aisle to hide in. I probably would have gone inside one of those model bathrooms. But then again the rubber mallet section might have been safer.

[Mennonite]

http:xxxxxxx//i.imgur.com/k84NDxP.jpg


I still can't post links. ****in annoying. Remove the x's if you want to see my pathetic photoshop.

[Pepe Silvia]

Joplin, Misery

[banyon]

Honestly, even if the building wasnt built to code (which im sure it was), still shouldn't constitute anything IMO because the tornado was taking out anything in its path. It wouldn't even be the proximate cause. Wouldn't matter what structure it was outside of a skyscraper, and even then.

Agree with this analysis.

They have a major intervening act here in the proximate causation chain.

[lcarus]

This lady hid her entire family in the screwdriver and claw hammer aisle of a hardware store during an F5 and wants them to pay?

[displacedinMN]

Shooting a 2x4 through a brick wall at 200 mph.

The last is the reinforced brick. It does not go through.

All kinds of videos like this and the new safe rooms that can be built-for a price.


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[crazycoffey]

Yeah, they should probably be suing god.

Can't, no lawyers in heaven. No money either.....

[BigMeatballDave]

Shooting a 2x4 through a brick wall at 200 mph.

The last is the reinforced brick. It does not go through.

All kinds of videos like this and the new safe rooms that can be built-for a price.


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That's not protecting shit if the building takes a direct hit.

[Chief Roundup]

There's not a spot in the country that's not in a position for something bad to happen.

Where are those places that don't have natural disasters? Hurricanes, Earthquakes, Tornadoes, Volcanoes, Winter all count.

It is about the likeliness of those things happening though. There should not be flood insurance, hurricane insurance, tornado insurance for those places that get hit the most frequent.
And no "Winter" does not count as a natural disaster.

[displacedinMN]

It is about the likeliness of those things happening though. There should not be flood insurance, hurricane insurance, tornado insurance for those places that get hit the most frequent.
And no "Winter" does not count as a natural disaster.

True.

Winter may-if you get 25 inches of snow, roads are clogged and roofs start to collapse. or 3 inches of freezing rain.

Every place has something that could happen. Flash floods, tsunami, quakes, mud slides.

Think about the odds of something happening and the amount of warning.

I teach earth science.

[Deberg_1990]

It is about the likeliness of those things happening though.

Just lookup some of the locations where big businesses like facebook, Amazon, Google etc, put their disaster recovery centers. Its usually in remote locations that have fairly predictable weather.

[Halfcan]

I was in Joplin right after the storm. It cleared the earth like a road grader- even the solid concrete structures were destroyed.

I feel bad for the victims-but this should have been thrown out of court long ago.

[Just Passin' By]

It is about the likeliness of those things happening though. There should not be flood insurance, hurricane insurance, tornado insurance for those places that get hit the most frequent.
And no "Winter" does not count as a natural disaster.

The entire east coast is in a hurricane belt, as are the gulf states.

The New Madrid fault line puts much of the East-Central U.S. in its sights. California is a complete disaster just waiting to happen. The flood zones of the Mississippi and the tornado regions all across the country, the 'supervolcano' region of Yosemite, the volcanic islands that are Hawaii, etc....

Nowhere is safe. It's all a matter of when, not if. The insurance is meaningless. In the geological end, nobody's getting out alive.

[BucEyedPea]

The entire east coast is in a hurricane belt, as are the gulf states.

The New Madrid fault line puts much of the East-Central U.S. in its sights. California is a complete disaster just waiting to happen. The flood zones of the Mississippi and the tornado regions all across the country, the 'supervolcano' region of Yosemite, the volcanic islands that are Hawaii, etc....

Nowhere is safe. It's all a matter of when, not if. The insurance is meaningless. In the geological end, nobody's getting out alive.

People on the east coast don't have to build as close to water tho. They should pay higher insurance if they do if that's what they enjoy.

I intentionally, bought in Florida to be out of a flood zone. The houses on the water near me are built on stilts.

[BucEyedPea]

Why do people keep building homes in New Orleans, Florida, Napa County CA, and any other places have have long histories of natural disasters?
Short answer is because Insurance companies keep paying out. If insurance stops paying or puts restrictions on what they will cover people will stop rebuilding or building in those areas. Those areas should be considered inhabitable.

Or just jack up there rates. The insurance industry in Florida all but collapsed after Hurricane Andrew. So many insurers left the state and insurance rates really want up afterwards. Iirc, the state took over some of the industry because so many left.

[Just Passin' By]

People on the east coast don't have to build as close to water tho. They should pay higher insurance if they do if that's what they enjoy.

I intentionally, bought in Florida to be out of a flood zone. The houses on the water near me are built on stilts.

Florida:

Flooding
Sinkholes
Hurricanes
Lightning (#1 in the country in injuries and fatalities)
Tornadoes

[Chief Roundup]

The entire east coast is in a hurricane belt, as are the gulf states.

The New Madrid fault line puts much of the East-Central U.S. in its sights. California is a complete disaster just waiting to happen. The flood zones of the Mississippi and the tornado regions all across the country, the 'supervolcano' region of Yosemite, the volcanic islands that are Hawaii, etc....

Nowhere is safe. It's all a matter of when, not if. The insurance is meaningless. In the geological end, nobody's getting out alive.

There are huge differences between something that happens once every hundred years than something that happens every couple to few years. There are easy patterns to follow.

[DanBecky]

I know her personally. I agree she should not have done this bc its completely hopeless. It won't bring her children or husband back. If for some miraculous reason she won (which they won't even take the case), it won't bring anyone back. She is not money driven whatsoever. Her husband was in the Guard. She was compensated after the fact(?). Never asked but I'm sure she was. She's just someone who is still mourning for their loss and still upset. She shouldn't do it.

[lcarus]

The entire east coast is in a hurricane belt, as are the gulf states.

The New Madrid fault line puts much of the East-Central U.S. in its sights. California is a complete disaster just waiting to happen. The flood zones of the Mississippi and the tornado regions all across the country, the 'supervolcano' region of Yosemite, the volcanic islands that are Hawaii, etc....

Nowhere is safe. It's all a matter of when, not if. The insurance is meaningless. In the geological end, nobody's getting out alive.

In the biological end nobody is getting out alive either. Even if a natural disaster doesnt get us, old age will. If ANOTHER GD DEBERG THREAD DOESNT KILL US FIRST! (Sorry Deberg i just like making forum current events jokes today)

[Great Expectations]

I was in Joplin right after the storm. It cleared the earth like a road grader- even the solid concrete structures were destroyed.

I feel bad for the victims-but this should have been thrown out of court long ago.

This,

The Judge who doesn't throw this out shouldn't be re-elected.

[mdchiefsfan]

Should have kicked her ass to the curb as the tornado approached.

[UK_Chief]

If you believe in that sort of thing, isn't everything an act of God??

:hmmm:

[Valiant]

I feel sorry for her too.

But with the magnitude of that tornado, No man made structure is built to stand a chance. They have storm shelters, but not basements. I don't see how home depot, the developer or the builder is liable.

Underground was the only way to survive.

This will be settled out of court.

Pensmore is being built to withstand a f5 in Missouri.

[Valiant]

Scottsdale AZ is immune.

Drought and lack of water make it uninhabitable. Shit same with cali, they are causing more droughts and problems elsewhere from the stealing of the water.

every place has something that can qualify as an act of god. Arizona should be paying a grand per household in water.

[displacedinMN]

Pensmore is being built to withstand a f5 in Missouri.

Fill me in. What is Pensmore?


Also, we could also have a heck of a discussion about "act of god"

[loochy]

If you believe in that sort of thing, isn't everything an act of God??

:hmmm:

no

[UK_Chief]

no

So who decides what God did or didn't do? The insurance companies when they don't want to pay out presumably?

:hmmm:

[Marcellus]

Pensmore is being built to withstand a f5 in Missouri.

Yes you can build a structures to withstand an F5 tornado.

But realistically you aren't going to require every single company or public establishment to be built that way.

Had the building fell down under 100 mph winds then I could understand.

Home Depot is not a tornado shelter, why are they expected to act like one? (according to the lawsuit)

I guess for the same types of reasons Hobby Lobby is being required to provide 12 types of birth control.

[displacedinMN]

Uk chief

I agree.

Which god decided that Banda Achi needed an eathquake and Tsunami that killed 260,000 people. This is not an act of god.

It is a natural disaster. Our earth is a dangerous place. We get lucky every day that it does not take us out.

Marcellus-true. The root of this is that Home Depot shoud not be expected to be a tornado shelter.

[KCCHIEFS27]

http://www.deckconstructionpa.com/sites/default/files/u1/100_1388.JPG

Built a crappy deck. I'm suing DeWalt.

[BWillie]

So who decides what God did or didn't do? The insurance companies when they don't want to pay out presumably?

:hmmm:

Insurance companies consider it an act of nature. And, most insurance policies cover tornadoes under the 1st party coverage of the policy, as long as wind is a covered peril on your policy. But other person's damages would fall under the liability part of the policy (or the third party part of the policy), where act's of nature would obviously not be paid because the policyholder or insured has no legal liability in the matter and have not breached any duties.

[ptlyon]

Maybe her being a grade A douchebag is the reason God took her family from her

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Maybe her being a grade A douchebag is the reason God took her family from her

ROFL

[loochy]

So who decides what God did or didn't do? The insurance companies when they don't want to pay out presumably?

:hmmm:

Courts and judges decide.

It's an actual legal term and it shows up in contracts all of the time.

It's not a religious thing.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/act_of_god

Act of God

At common law, an overwhelming event caused exclusively by natural forces whose effects could not possibly be prevented (e.g., flood, earthquake, tornado). In modern jurisdictions, "act of God" is often broadened by statute to include all natural phenomena whose effects could not be prevented by the exercise of reasonable care and foresight.

[LoneWolf]

Isn't this what life insurance is for? So when your husband and child die in a tornado that hits Home Depot you don't have to clog up the court system with frivolous lawsuits. I'm sorry this woman lost her family, but just shut the fuck up and mourn quietly like everybody else you dumb bitch.

[Discuss Thrower]

Isn't this what life insurance is for? So when your husband and child die in a tornado that hits Home Depot you don't have to clog up the court system with frivolous lawsuits. I'm sorry this woman lost her family, but just shut the fuck up and mourn quietly like everybody else you dumb bitch.

And don't most people consider life insurance a scam at the very worst or a product they'll never need at best?

[loochy]

And don't most people consider life insurance a scam at the very worst or a product they'll never need at best?

No. I think it's a good idea and it's a pretty cheap way to make sure your loved ones are taken care of.

[Rausch]

And don't most people consider life insurance a scam at the very worst or a product they'll never need at best?

Life insurance is to protect your family when the worst happens.

If you have no family don't buy it. There's really no point...

[SAUTO]

No. I think it's a good idea and it's a pretty cheap way to make sure your loved ones are taken care of.

exactly, I have enough that the shop will be paid free and clear and my wife and kids wont have to work if they are smart and don't want to.

makes me feel good knowing they wont be hung out to dry if I fall over dead anytime soon.


she probably doesn't even know, but its all in the Jason's Dead file.

[Discuss Thrower]

Life insurance is one reason why I'd never want to get into actuarial sales.

In the last sit-down job interview I had, I was told I needed to sell around 20 new life policies a year to keep the job.

[LoneWolf]

No. I think it's a good idea and it's a pretty cheap way to make sure your loved ones are taken care of.

This. I have enough life insurance to make sure my wife would not have to struggle and my son can have all the things he needs growing up if I should die.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I hate Home Depot.

[luckystars777]

Still waiting for them to produce a reasonably competent employee.

My father was a competent employee

I am the eldest daughter of Dean Wells HD employee. He brought several people to safety that horrific day. He decided to run one last time to check if anyone was in need of help. Edies husband & 2 children were approaching the door. My dad opened the door & grabbed her daughter & Rusty ran with his son. It was too late the F5 touched down. There was NOTHING anyone could’ve done! I received the Circuit Court Motion & cannot believe she included & blamed my father. The things she is suing for is mind blowing. I have met her, spoke to her, she met my mother. Funny how she took me off FB yesterday. She remarried (elaborate wedding), nice honeymoon, bought & remodeled a home, travels and just had a cute little baby boy. My heartaches as my mother’s health is horrible & this lawsuit is going to drain her. I hope everyone follows this case closely!! I cannot BELIEVE SHE BLAMES MY DAD

[luckystars777]

I am the eldest daughter of Dean Wells HD employee. He brought several people to safety that horrific day. He decided to run one last time to check if anyone was in need of help. Edies husband & 2 children were approaching the door. My dad opened the door & grabbed her daughter & Rusty ran with his son. It was too late the F5 touched down. There was NOTHING anyone could’ve done! I received the Circuit Court Motion & cannot believe she included & blamed my father. The things she is suing for is mind blowing. I have met her, spoke to her, she met my mother. Funny how she took me off FB yesterday. She remarried (elaborate wedding), nice honeymoon, bought & remodeled a home, travels and just had a cute little baby boy. My heartaches as my mother’s health is horrible & this lawsuit is going to drain her. I hope everyone follows this case closely!! I cannot BELIEVE SHE BLAMES MY DAD

[Deberg_1990]

My father was a competent employee

I am the eldest daughter of Dean Wells HD employee. He brought several people to safety that horrific day. He decided to run one last time to check if anyone was in need of help. Edies husband & 2 children were approaching the door. My dad opened the door & grabbed her daughter & Rusty ran with his son. It was too late the F5 touched down. There was NOTHING anyone could’ve done! I received the Circuit Court Motion & cannot believe she included & blamed my father. The things she is suing for is mind blowing. I have met her, spoke to her, she met my mother. Funny how she took me off FB yesterday. She remarried (elaborate wedding), nice honeymoon, bought & remodeled a home, travels and just had a cute little baby boy. My heartaches as my mother’s health is horrible & this lawsuit is going to drain her. I hope everyone follows this case closely!! I cannot BELIEVE SHE BLAMES MY DAD

Thank you for sharing your story.


It sounds like she's just bitter.....grasping, doing anything to find blame on something...anything.


Sometimes life just happens. No one is to blame. ......nothing we can do about. Gods will.

[Bowser]

http://community.us.playstation.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/227169i6165B99218F75ACB/image-size/original?v=mpbl-1&px=-1

[Cmd'r&Chief]

horrific

[Deberg_1990]

But hopefully she wins, and is able to have some sort of closure from all of this.

Right. Money won't give her closure. That's going to have to come from within her


This woman may never have closure. I can't imagine having that sort of loss.

[Bowser]

I actually know of the family and live in the same town as the family.

I went to school with the husband/father. He was a few grades ahead of me. We knew him as "Rusty".

I feel horrible for the loss Edie has had to endure. I can't imagine losing my entire family in one split moment. The toll that would have on a person's psyche, constantly thinking, wondering, fearing, how her loved one's last moments in life must have been.

I don't know that she will have much of a case, it was a horrific tornado that killed several. But hopefully she wins, and is able to have some sort of closure from all of this.

It sucks what she went through, but suing Home Depot isn't going to give her a lick of closure. And that's not to mention the slippery slope it opens for other people wanting to sue now and in the future with any number of catastrophes.


EDIT - I'm Q'ing DeBerg

[GloucesterChief]

If she wins, what will happen is that every business will now make it policy that non-company employees may not seek shelter in their stores. Businesses will not want to cover the extra liability insurance not having such a policy will bring.

[Discuss Thrower]

If she wins, what will happen is that every business will now make it policy that non-company employees may not seek shelter in their stores. Businesses will not want to cover the extra liability insurance not having such a policy will bring.

Goddamn that would be such a clusterfuck.

It will probably happen.

[Mr. Laz]

If she wins, what will happen is that every business will now make it policy that non-company employees may not seek shelter in their stores. Businesses will not want to cover the extra liability insurance not having such a policy will bring.dam straight

They will probably make employees sign a waiver as well.

[kchero]

Still waiting for them to produce a reasonably competent employee.

Stop being an idiot.

[BigMeatballDave]

But hopefully she wins, and is able to have some sort of closure from all of this.

This is some lousy fucking bullshit right here.

She's re-married and has a kid. She's had closure.

She's just a money-grubbing whore.

[Discuss Thrower]

Regaining burst..

[Valiant]

This is some lousy ****ing bullshit right here.

She's re-married and has a kid. She's had closure.

She's just a money-grubbing whore.

This, and then the idiots that want her to win money..

[Bugeater]

But hopefully she wins, and is able to have some sort of closure from all of this.
Your and idiot.

[Cmd'r&Chief]

Your and idiot.

And your mother's a Cunt. So fuck you too

[LoneWolf]

And your mother's a ****. So **** you too

You made a stupid statement and he called you out on it. Stop being pissed and own it. We all say/post stupid shit from time to time.

[Cmd'r&Chief]

You made a stupid statement and he called you out on it. Stop being pissed and own it. We all say/post stupid shit from time to time.

How was what I said, stupid? Oh, because I didn't jump onboard with what everybody else said? I do own what I said. I don't believe it was stupid.

[Chiefshrink]

When entering a store on a potential stormy day, the greeter will do more than just greet; you will have to sign a waiver:rolleyes:

[Valiant]

Fill me in. What is Pensmore?


Also, we could also have a heck of a discussion about "act of god"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pensmore
https://www.google.com/search?q=pensmore+mansion+2014&espv=2&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=TrrBU6nNM4KgyAS5toHQDA&ved=0CBwQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=709
http://www.pensmore.com/

Should be amazing when finished, will be touring it.

[Valiant]

How was what I said, stupid? Oh, because I didn't jump onboard with what everybody else said? I do own what I said. I don't believe it was stupid.

You believe not just the store but the person was responsible and should pay out and be at fault for a persons dying during f5 ****ing tornado?

That is beyond dumb, hell by that reasoning you are at fault, why were you not out there letting people know? Shit, you might want to get on the local media and give everyone the heads up if you lost family, then whereever they died is at fault, because lol pussy f5, those building and people should have built better structures..

And I agree, the woman is not right in the head that is suing for losing her family. That is the fastest turn around I have ever seen someone grieve and get married and have a kid after something like that, maybe the extravagant wedding and honeymoon cost a lil too much. Shit if I were blood family of the deceased I would be looking into if she was cheating beforehand.

I am hoping you judgement is clouded by knowing her. I am hoping. Or, you are a lawyer.

[Cmd'r&Chief]

You believe not just the store but the person was responsible and should pay out and be at fault for a persons dying during f5 ****ing tornado?

That is beyond dumb, hell by that reasoning you are at fault, why were you not out there letting people know? Shit, you might want to get on the local media and give everyone the heads up if you lost family, then whereever they died is at fault, because lol pussy f5, those building and people should have built better structures..

And I agree, the woman is not right in the head that is suing for losing her family. That is the fastest turn around I have ever seen someone grieve and get married and have a kid after something like that, maybe the extravagant wedding and honeymoon cost a lil too much. Shit if I were blood family of the deceased I would be looking into if she was cheating beforehand.

I am hoping you judgement is clouded by knowing her. I am hoping. Or, you are a lawyer.

When did I say she was right in suing any individual?

I also stated she probably won't win.

And that I hope she finds some sort of closure...not closure from suing any company or person.

I'm only sympathizing with her, due to her loss. I mean, can you imagine? That's gotta be hell.

Sometimes people take drastic measures to find closure. And whether she wins or loses this case,I hope it gives her closure.

[milkman]

When did I say she was right in suing any individual?

I also stated she probably won't win.

And that I hope she finds some sort of closure...not closure from suing any company or person.

I'm only sympathizing with her, due to her loss. I mean, can you imagine? That's gotta be hell.

Sometimes people take drastic measures to find closure. And whether she wins or loses this case,I hope it gives her closure.

You did say "hopefully she wins."

[Cmd'r&Chief]

You did say "hopefully she wins."

Fair enough...Hopefully she finds closure.

[LoneWolf]

How was what I said, stupid? Oh, because I didn't jump onboard with what everybody else said? I do own what I said. I don't believe it was stupid.

FFS man, you said "I hope she wins." How is that not stupid?

You can sympathize for this woman, I think everybody does, but in no way should she get one red cent from Home Depot.

[Lzen]

And your mother's a ****. So **** you too

He's right. Your and idiot.

[Cmd'r&Chief]

He's right. Your and idiot.

Ok

[Lzen]

I am the eldest daughter of Dean Wells HD employee. He brought several people to safety that horrific day. He decided to run one last time to check if anyone was in need of help. Edies husband & 2 children were approaching the door. My dad opened the door & grabbed her daughter & Rusty ran with his son. It was too late the F5 touched down. There was NOTHING anyone could’ve done! I received the Circuit Court Motion & cannot believe she included & blamed my father. The things she is suing for is mind blowing. I have met her, spoke to her, she met my mother. Funny how she took me off FB yesterday. She remarried (elaborate wedding), nice honeymoon, bought & remodeled a home, travels and just had a cute little baby boy. My heartaches as my mother’s health is horrible & this lawsuit is going to drain her. I hope everyone follows this case closely!! I cannot BELIEVE SHE BLAMES MY DAD

Good God. If this story is true as well as the report about the new marriage and extravagant wedding then I'm not buying her shit. I don't care what above says. If it looks like a duck and smells like a duck. .....Sounds like a money grubbing whore to me. This is the shit that is wrong with this country.

[Valiant]

Fair enough...Hopefully she finds closure.

See that is understandable.

[UL Washington]

Can't we all just agree that she's a whore?

[Bufkin]

Saw on the news yesterday where a former vet from Joplin still hadn't found a home after his was destroyed in the tornado. Not sure what him being a veterinarian had to do with it, but it makes you take things in perspective.

[Deberg_1990]

Can't we all just agree that she's a whore?

Not gonna call her names. Have no idea what she's like in person.

I do believe she's misguided and probably still very bitter.

[Mennonite]

How about we compromise and just say that she's a misguided and bitter whore?

[Mennonite]

http://i.imgur.com/0Lpe9IV.jpg