Upon further review of 2013...

[Discuss Thrower]

.. would trading for Tony Gonzalez made a difference?

Say KC traded a 2014 4th (D'Anthony Thomas' spot), a 2015 conditional pick anywhere from 2nd-6th round and Sean McGrath (for sake of example.. substitute him for any player of value that could be traded under the cap).

If that's the asking price, do the Chiefs win more games with him than do without him or is there no difference? Is the hypothetical cost of two picks and a "replacement" level player worth it?

Discus.

Edit 2: For sake of example, Tony would be dealt during Atlanta's bye week, which was Week Six. KC's schedule from that week onward:
vs. OAK
vs. HOU
vs. CLE
at BUF
BYE
at DEN
vs. SD
vs. DEN
at WSH
at OAK
vs. IND
at SD

[BigMeatballDave]

Exercise in futility

[Baby Lee]

With the TE corps we had? To bring in a HoFer still operating at a high level? With Smith's penchant for reliable receivers?

[LoneWolf]

Would KC have won the Super Bowl with TG last year? No.

So who gives a shit?

[TimBone]

Would KC have won the Super Bowl with TG last year? No.

So who gives a shit?

I keep coming back to this conclusion.

[The Franchise]

Would KC have won the Super Bowl with TG last year? No.

So who gives a shit?

This.

[Eleazar]

Can he play CB?

[ThaVirus]

He certainly would have helped us get some first downs to keep the clock moving in the playoff game; but as with Jamaal going out, having him on the field in the first place could have altered the game plan so much that maybe we wouldn't even have scored the 31 points in the first half..

We wouldn't have won a Super Bowl with him so ultimately it wouldn't have been worth it.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

True Fan splooge-fest.

[Easy 6]

He can go eat another soy burger for all I care.

[TLO]

I was bored earlier, so I went back and read some of the game day thread from the playoff game. How depressing. :(

[Mr. Laz]

Could Gonzales have covered T.Y. Hilton?

[Discuss Thrower]

I was bored earlier, so I went back and read some of the game day thread from the playoff game. How depressing. :(

The 1997 Divisional Playoff game against Denver is on YouTube. Enjoy yourself.

[TLO]

Could Gonzales have covered T.Y. Hilton?

Effectively? No.

Better than Kendrick Lewis? More than likely.

BTW: Which corner was matched up on Hilton for most of the game? Was it Cooper?

[Mr. Laz]

Effectively? No.

Better than Kendrick Lewis? More than likely.

BTW: Which corner was matched up on Hilton for most of the game? Was it Cooper?
iirc they moved him around so all our DBs had a chance to suck.

[Discuss Thrower]

Really, the only way it would've affected the Chiefs' fortune in 2013 would have been if Gonzalez's presence influenced wins vs. San Diego and versus Denver. That would've put the Chiefs atop the division going into Week 16 versus the Colts assuming they take care of business against Oakland and Washington. A win against the Colts they all but lock up the #1 seed.

If San Diego doesn't sweep KC, they likely go 8-8 at best and are down to tiebreakers against Pittsburgh to get in the playoffs. So they're probably out, Pittsburgh is in and has to play the Bengals on the road while Peyton gets to play another postseason game in Indianapolis.

From there it's all conjecture, but there's a slight chance the Chiefs would've drawn the Steelers, whom they would've matched up better than the Bengals IMO, and therefore a good chance of winning a postseason game in 20 years. From there they'd likely host Denver, if not them then New England or an outside chance of playing the Colts a second time at Arrowhead.

[chiefzilla1501]

He certainly would have helped us get some first downs to keep the clock moving in the playoff game; but as with Jamaal going out, having him on the field in the first place could have altered the game plan so much that maybe we wouldn't even have scored the 31 points in the first half..

We wouldn't have won a Super Bowl with him so ultimately it wouldn't have been worth it.

Agreed. Andy Reid played a frustratingly conservative game plan to protect the lead because… well, he's Andy Reid. Within that frustrating game plan, the Chiefs could have used a big target even if that meant just getting 2 or 3 more first downs. That seems really small, but 2 or 3 first downs would have burned a lot of clock, which makes a big difference in a game where the other team is behind by that much.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Can he cover or rush the passer? 9 sacks in the 2nd half helps tell the tale.

[saphojunkie]

Would KC have won the Super Bowl with TG last year? No.

So who gives a shit?

Would KC have been in the Super Bowl?

[Deberg_1990]

Think of all the titles we would have won if we had Tony G from 1997 to 2009........


oh wait......

[Discuss Thrower]

Think of all the titles we would have won if we had Tony G from 1997 to 2009........


oh wait......

Now if that's the game you want to play then think about how things would've been different had they traded him after Vermeil retired.

[Deberg_1990]

Now if that's the game you want to play then think about how things would've been different had they traded him after Vermeil retired.

He was a great player, good reciever...etc.....But TEs are not "difference makers" when it comes to winning titles.

[Discuss Thrower]

He was a great player, good reciever...etc.....But TEs are not "difference makers" when it comes to winning titles.

Of course. But is it impossible to think KC could of wound up with an extra 2nd rounder in 2006 (Greg Jennings... MJD... Roman Harper.. Marcus McNeil) along with maybe a 4th (Jahri Evans.. Brandon Marshall.. Dumervil) or any permutations you can come up with.

[ThaVirus]

Hah.

Yeah, we could have gotten one of those Pro Bowlers or All-Pros.

.. But more likely we would have gotten another Tank Tyler and Alex Magee.